1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: by the one and only Western Hotkowitz. Were coming to 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West. 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: The first round of the two thousand twenty one NFL 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: Draft is one week away from today, so both on 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: this show and our show early next week, we're going 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: to get into some draft preview here with regard to 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: the Packers and those who have been paying attention to 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: our website. We'll see that you and I have been 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: in the midst of our annual position by position roster review, 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: sort of giving the overview of every position on the 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: roster where things stand heading into the draft. Today actually 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: wraps up the look at the offensive positions. Tomorrow will 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: be the start of the defensive positions and carry into 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: next week. But I'll just throw this out there to 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: you as a wide open question. We know the Packers 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: don't ultimately make their draft decisions when it comes right 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: down to it and you're on the clock based on 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: what position you want. It's about how the board falls 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: and the best player available. But what do you see 22 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: as the Packers highest priorities position wise in terms of 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: what this roster needs to get out of this draft. 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: I just have to start with I. Really, it would 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: be really refreshing one year, if you know, because Brian 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: Goodins is gonna talk on Monday, he'll do his dress. 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: We're gonna hear from him on Monday afternoon. Yeah, a 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of gms are doing that right now. 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: It would be really refreshing if the GM went up 30 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: there and said, we're going this is like the pick 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: in the first round. We're going receiver whatever, We're taking 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: the best receiver available now. I don't care about the 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: other Just announce your intentions. Make it known to everyone. Receiver. Yeah, 34 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: I think that would be actually the way you go 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: about do this. We don't care how the board falls. 36 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't care if reivers have to take it. We're 37 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: taking a receiver. No, you're right, because if you look 38 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: at it from Green Bay's perspective, they always talked about 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: best player available. Everybody talks about best player available now, 40 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 1: but the Packers started doing it first. Let's just make 41 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: that known as well. But no, I always say this, Mike, 42 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: I use history as my guide here. People mock drafters 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: will go and they'll give the Packers a receiver in 44 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: the first round. Packers haven't taken a receiver in the 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: first round. And since I was an eighth grader, right 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: to talk about inside linebacker, Packers haven't taken a first 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: round inside linebackers. It's two thousand five, those type of things. 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: So that's why two thousand six, excuse me, two thou 49 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: five was a different first round pick. It was. Man, 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: it's been a rough start, you know, but it's been 51 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: a minute, right, So there's two ways you can look 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: at that. Either they're overdue for one or that just 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: isn't the direction they're gonna go. So me personally, I 54 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: use history as my guide. Packers have gone with a 55 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: lot of offensive linemen, a lot of defensive lineman in 56 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: some defensive backs in the first round. Into me Mike. 57 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: I said it in our offseason show with Larry. I 58 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: look it off pensive line as a position where you're 59 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: going to get a lot of bang for your buck. 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: One with the strength of this draft and some of 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: the guys that could potentially be available there at number 62 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: twenty nine. But to also because and as I wrote 63 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: in our Position by position that is running on Thursday. 64 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: The Packers have so much versatility there that if you 65 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: find a guy that is a really good prospect that 66 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: maybe he was left tackle, maybe he was a college guard, 67 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: maybe maybe he was a center, although typically that's not 68 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: been a position the Packers have used have drafted in 69 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: the first round. You can move around the rest of 70 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: your pieces. I think this offensive line looks really formidable. 71 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: If you have Billy Turner at right tackle, I think 72 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: you have a guy like Lucas Patrick that can play 73 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: anywhere inside. And then Elton Jenkins is going to be 74 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: the ultimate wild card here throughout his time in Green 75 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: Bay because you can play him in so different, so 76 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: many different positions. So depending on how the board falls, 77 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: that's the position right now I think really makes a 78 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: lot of sense for Green Bay. We've heard all the 79 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: rumblings about defensive line not being as as deep in 80 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: this draft, so then that uses the question of do 81 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: you go get one early, do you not get one 82 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: at all? And then certainly some intriguing outside rushers, some 83 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: great cornerbacks that could be available at the end of 84 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: the first round. It's gonna be really interesting, probably more 85 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: than any other draft I've covered. Entering that final stretch 86 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: of the first round, I think there's a lot of 87 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: guys that can make sense for Green Bay. Yeah. I've 88 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: been saying this for several weeks now that as far 89 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: as the priority positions of need for the Packers to me, 90 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 1: there are three that jump out. It's offensive line, defensive line, 91 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: and cornerback. Now that's not to say that I mean, yes, 92 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: you would like to obviously add it inside linebacker, you'd 93 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: like to You definitely like to draft a receiver this 94 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: year after not drafting one last year given the contract 95 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: situations and all that um at that position. But in 96 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: terms of the highest priorities for me, it's the offensive line, 97 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: the defensive line, and cornerback. And when you look at 98 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: what the analysts are saying about this draft, and with 99 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: the Packers sitting at number twenty nine, it sure seems 100 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: like there's a good chance that an offensive tackle or 101 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: a cornerback, because of the depth of those positions, that 102 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a darn good one there that the 103 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: Packers could get at twenty nine. Could be a lot 104 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: harder to get a defensive lineman because they're talking about 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: this being a really thin class in that regard, and 106 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: it also might be difficult to get a quality defensive 107 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: lineman later in the draft. So then you start to wonder, well, 108 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: if one of the top defensive lineman is there at 109 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: twenty nine, can you afford to pass on that guy? Right? 110 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: If there, if there's greater depth that offensive tackle and cornerback, 111 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: then of course there's always with Brian Gudacus, there's always 112 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: the possibility of trading and moving around the board, right, 113 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: I mean, does he trade up from twenty nine? Does 114 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: the board look so strong at twenty nine? Does he 115 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: trade back? You know, a few spots would put him 116 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: in the top of the second round, pick up an 117 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: extra pick somewhere. We'll talk about those possibilities and scenarios 118 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: on our next show a little bit as well. But 119 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: the guys, the guys in the trenches, and then and 120 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: then a cornerback, because beyond JR. Alexander, your next two cornerbacks, 121 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: Kevin King and Shannon Sullivan at this point are only 122 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: on one year deals for one so you've got to 123 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: start looking at you've got to start looking at the 124 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: future at those positions. And to me, you know, there's 125 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: always that with regard to offensive defensive lineman. There's the 126 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: planet theory right there. You know, the Lord only makes 127 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: so many big guys that can move and and do 128 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: the things that offensive offensive lineman and defensive linemen need 129 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: to do. Finding a franchise left tackle in the fourth 130 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: round like the Packers did eight years ago with David 131 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: bak Try, that's the exception, not the rule in this 132 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: in this game. And um so, you know, offensive tackle. Certainly, 133 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: with bok Trs injury, the flexibility the Packers have across 134 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: the offensive line is a huge asset, as you've talked about. 135 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: But with bok tr Is injury, the fact that Rick 136 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: Wagner has not been brought back, you've got an offensive 137 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: tackle somebody, somebody, whether it's to back up both spots 138 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: as a rookie or to potentially step in and start 139 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: right away, depending on how you want to sort that 140 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: thing out. That's got to be a high priles. Yeah, 141 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: And I don't want to turn this into like, oh, 142 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: here's who the Packers are going to draft, but more 143 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: than probably any draft maybe going back to two thousand fourteen, 144 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: there's a guy fell in love with through this process, 145 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: and that's Tevin Jenkins out of Oklahoma State. Now I'm 146 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: not the draft guy here. You are, Like, if you 147 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: go on Packers dot com, it says senior writer, and 148 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: in really small four aerial print it says in draft analyst. 149 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: So you have that going for you as well. Okay, 150 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: so I'm not that guy, but I think I'm as 151 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: excited about Tevin Jenkins as any guy that probably going 152 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: back to the C. J. Mosley Ryan Cheesier draft with 153 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: with the safeties being there too, uh, with ha ha, 154 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: Clinton Dicks ultimately being the guy the Packers picked. The 155 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: reason I really like him is one, if you listen 156 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: to him speak, I'm not even gonna talk about the 157 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: xs and os right away. He just sounds like a 158 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Packers type of player, a Packers type of person. We obviously, 159 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: you know you touched on it. There's not a great 160 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: history of offensive line play from from Oklahoma State, but 161 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: the Packers got a pretty darn good one as an 162 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: undrafted free agent in that thirteen after that thirteen draft, 163 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: in Lane Taylor. But you know you also mentioned, you know, 164 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: God only creating so many six ft six people, three 165 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: twenty pomp people, guys that have good footwork that can 166 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: play multiple positions. To me, Jenkins really screams a guy 167 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: that could go in, you could have an idea of 168 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: where you wanted to play him. Last year they got 169 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: John Runyon and Adam Stanovich kept him. I believe it 170 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: was a left guard throughout training camp and that was 171 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: his station. But I really, I'm not gonna be a 172 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna sit down and break down all these 173 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: prospects for you. But he's one guy that just continually 174 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: makes sense if he's potentially there at the end of 175 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, I'm I'm with you there on 176 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: Jenkins again, we've had since the beginning of April, we've 177 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: had a series on our website that we that we 178 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: decided to call Draft Digest new series this year. We 179 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: weren't able to do prospect primers, the you know, the 180 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: videos and voiceovers and all that fun stuff we've done 181 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: in past years because there was no NFL Scouting Combine, 182 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: which is where we used to gather all of that 183 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: stuff for prospect Primers. So a little bit of a 184 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: condensed written uh series format with Draft Digest, which essentially 185 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: I just did right at the beginning of April, actually 186 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: late March, sat down, looked at a whole bunch of 187 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: mock drafts from reputable national media outlets. Not you know, 188 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: hopefully it wasn't. I wasn't looking at the guys doing 189 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: stuff in their basement. Com yeah, exact, yeah, um. But essentially, 190 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: just try try to keep a tally in these national 191 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: mock drafts of the guys most often projected to be 192 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: selected in the bottom third of the first round, from 193 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: pick number twenty to pick number thirty two. Because yeah, 194 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of a lot of guys are 195 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: probably going to be picked in that but as we said, 196 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: maybe Brian Goudakuns decides to trade up. So so I 197 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, just look at the whole bottom 198 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: third of the first round there, and you're that guy 199 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: you just mentioned. Tevin Jenkins is a guy who's who's 200 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: He's projected in just about every mock draft to be 201 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: drafted somewhere between like twenty and thirty. You know that 202 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: that bottom third of the first round is one of 203 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: those as one of those offensive tackles that's going to 204 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: be available late in the first round. I think there 205 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: are very good odds there. The other one that I 206 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: will mention going back to and this player will be 207 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: in our in our draft. I just series. I'm not sure. 208 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if Jenkins has been posted yet. 209 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: If he hasn't, he will be because he's on the list. 210 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: Another guy, I'm not sure he's been posted yet. But 211 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: with regard to the the thin class of defensive lineman, okay, 212 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: Christian Barmore from Alabama. Boy, this is a guy. Now, 213 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: there are some questions about, you know, just his overall 214 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: experience because he hasn't played a ton at Alabama. Came 215 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: on like gang busters in the college Football Playoff, you know, 216 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: the biggest games of the year for the Crimson Tide. 217 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: And when I look at when I look at the 218 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: odds of their first off, there's a good chance he 219 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: won't be there at right. But it's one of those 220 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: things that because of the Packers need on the defensive line, 221 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: you'd love to get somebody paired there with Kenny Clark 222 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: on the interior the defensive line, for somebody, a big 223 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: time player that you have in the fold, like long term, 224 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: and the fact that this defensive line class is pretty thin. 225 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: If a guy like bar More is available at number 226 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: twenty nine, I don't I have no idea. If the 227 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: Packers like it, maybe maybe they don't. I don't know, 228 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: maybe they do like him. I have no idea, but 229 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: it just seems to me that would be a guy 230 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: that would be really really hard to pass up. Um 231 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: based on the state of your ross and the state 232 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: of this particular draft, based on what all the ant 233 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: and now, obviously it's not it's not uncommon for you know, 234 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: Alabama players to go out early. You know, they have 235 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: some success and they want to go and obviously get 236 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: what's coming to them. And Bar more than in a 237 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: lot of ways, he's he's very much built differently than 238 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark. But doesn't he kind of remind you of 239 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: that a little bit in terms of the red shirt sophomore, 240 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: a young guy that you might, you know, not expect 241 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: him to come in right away and be like but 242 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: throughout the course of a year, become a starter, become 243 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: a contributor. Um obviously a good history there as well. 244 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: And it is a short position, it's a short bench there. 245 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: So you do wonder, you know, what is going to 246 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: be available to Green Bay in this draft and are 247 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: you gonna be able to find the big body, the 248 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: Mike Daniels type. Are they going to really slip into 249 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: the fourth round um and really surprised people this year 250 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: just because it makes a lot of sense, Mike, when 251 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: we talk about all these various positions, Why is defensive 252 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: line a little bit you know, thinner this year? Why 253 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: is defensive tack a little bit thinner? Because I think 254 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys at the college realm wanted 255 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: to go back. They're not going to have the twenty 256 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: sax seasons. They wanted to go back and get a 257 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: chance to really show what they can do before going 258 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: out there taking that jump and going into the pros. 259 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's gonna be uh, you know, supplying demand 260 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: and seeing where those guys could potentially fall. Yeah, And 261 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: another point to make with regard to the defensive line. 262 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: I looked at I looked at drafts over the past 263 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: ten years, essentially the last decade of drafts, and if 264 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: you look at all the defensive lineman who were drafted 265 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: late in the first round, it's really hard. I mean, 266 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: the track record, quite frankly, is terrible. It's really hard 267 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: to find a guy. I mean as far as defensive 268 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: lineman drafted, you know, in the late twenties, late in 269 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: the first round over the last decade. Kenny Clark is 270 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: by far the best one like across the like it's 271 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: not even close. I mean, the Packers hit a home run. 272 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: Finding a guy like Kenny Clark at overall five years 273 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: ago in it's really really hard to do. UM. So 274 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: that's that's why I've really got my eye on the 275 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: defensive lineman exactly where they're going to go early in 276 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: this draft. And if one of the top guys, you know, 277 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: another one from Washington, Levi on Moozuriki is another one 278 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: in our Draft Digest series. He's another one to keep 279 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: an eye on. Two. A guy that, you know, the 280 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: a guy that probably is getting and I'm trying not 281 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: to be disparaging here, because that's not how I want 282 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: to come off, but a guy that's probably getting maybe 283 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: more attention than he would in another year, just because 284 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: there are so few defensive linemen who are considered, you know, 285 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: a first or high second round, you know, type of 286 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: pick he's graded in that area. But there just aren't 287 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: that many of them, you know. So that's that's the 288 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: point I'm making. Their um quickly was before I forget 289 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of sponsored business. Serious x m NFL 290 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the minute 291 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: NFL news That true what ball fanatics need? Seven three six? 292 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: All right, you mentioned uh with regard to the cornerback position. 293 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: I want to get I want to get your thoughts here, 294 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of guys, a lot of 295 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: corners being projected to go in the first round. It 296 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: looks like they're certainly going to be a few that 297 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: will go well before the Packers would be even really 298 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: in range of of of legitimately trading up unless good 299 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: Koons is going to make some huge sacrifice, which I 300 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: don't which I don't necessarily see. But do you have 301 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: your eye on any guys at the cornerback position if 302 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: the Packers potentially uh end up going that route at 303 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: the end of the first year. Yeah, I'll start with 304 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: Caleb Farley. A couple of reasons for that one. He's 305 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about not really knowing where guys are gonna go. 306 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: Farley's one of them because he sat out this past 307 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: year and for very good reason. You know, he lost 308 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: his mother, wanted to protect his father, you know, all 309 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: the right reasons, but had just an absolutely thrilling year 310 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: before that. I mean, we're talking about a guy if 311 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: you go buy credentials and what he accomplished in his 312 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: college career. Um, you know, in terms of the position, 313 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: he checks all the boxes for you there. But he 314 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: stepped away from the game this year, So now there's 315 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: gonna be those questions about guys that didn't play. How 316 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: does that affect their draft stock? Where did they end 317 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: up going doesn't matter at all. But he's been a 318 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: difficult one to kind of get your thumb on and 319 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: where he's gonna fit. But I love the size for 320 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: the position, has amazing ball hawking skills. I think positionally 321 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: from a scheme fit could really fit what the Packers 322 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: vision is going to be here. But again, is that 323 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: guy going to be there at twenty nine? The one 324 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: that I think everybody at least because of the Big 325 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: Ten connections are looking at his Greg Newsome And again 326 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: a guy that has nice size for the position. Uh, 327 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: incredibly intelligent, you know. You know, he's been a part 328 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: of that renaissance here, not really a renaissance, but sort 329 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: of taking it to the next level at Northwestern the 330 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: last few seasons. Uh. And and a guy that we've 331 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: heard a lot about. If if you follow the Badgers, 332 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: if you follow Big Ten football, you've heard of Greg 333 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: Newso in the last few seasons. Now where does his 334 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: star point in the NFL. I'm not sure, but he 335 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: seems to be a guy that could be a plug 336 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: and play type corner Certainly when you look at Green 337 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: Bay and their history now with Northwestern, between Dean Lowery, 338 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: Tyler Lancaster and also getting Danny Vitally a couple of 339 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: years ago, there's been a footprint in a you know, 340 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: a connection between those two that state in this program. So, uh, 341 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: those are kind of the two that I was looking at. 342 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: But as you said, Mike, there's a lot of different 343 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: guys that could potentially be in the mix there and 344 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: seeing how that falls, because even you go back to 345 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: like two thousand eighteen, I think everyone was kind of 346 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: high on jyr Alexander and he was a riser throughout 347 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: the draft process, but then there he is ends up 348 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: being the number two or the second cornerback taken in 349 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: that draft. Um, and then you go back to two 350 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: years ago and then you know Darniell Savage is the 351 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: first defensive back drafted. So it's always difficult to pinpoint 352 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: which what is going to be the order when the 353 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: time comes for guys to come off the board and 354 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: what what exactly how that's going to shuffle up it 355 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: when I was going through this process, and you might 356 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: have a couple more names, but those were kind of 357 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: the two that's stuck out to me in terms of 358 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: has the size that green Bay looks for in the position, 359 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: the ball hawking skills, and in a lot of those 360 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: athletic intangibles that the green Bay packers have looked for 361 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: from that position. Yeah, a couple of other guys that 362 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: that I did UM draft, I just recaps on UM 363 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: Eric Stokes from Georgia and J. C. Horne from South Carolina. Now, 364 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: very different UM evaluations here, because with regard to Stokes, 365 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: the word on him is is maybe he's a late 366 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: first round pick, but a lot of people projecting him 367 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: more as a second rounder. So then you wonder, you know, 368 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: if Goudacoons were to trade back from twenty nine, if 369 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: the board looks really strong, then early in the second round, 370 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: is that where you grab a guy like Stokes? Now, 371 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: just also to provide an example of how these things 372 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: can change, I mentioned doing you know this National mock 373 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: Draft research at the end of March, right well, at 374 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: that time, J C. Horne, the cornerback from South Carolina 375 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: and the son of former NFL wide receiver Joe Horn. Um, 376 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: he was projected. That's happening now, by the way, Sante 377 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: Samuel Jr. I mean, like it's crazy. I know, I 378 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: know that's happened to you for a while. But for 379 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: guys like me that I grew up watching, now their 380 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: kids are playing, that's gonna make me feel old real fast. 381 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: But at the time I was doing the mock draft research, 382 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: horn was Horn was picked a lot in like the 383 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: early twenties. Like that's where he ended up sort of 384 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: in my tally sheet as I was putting it together. 385 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: But now here we are a few weeks later, J. C. 386 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: Horne is a guy who has risen up. He's projected 387 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: a lot more often to be picked in the more 388 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: in the teens and even you know, potentially in the 389 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: in the upper half um of the first round, and 390 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: the you know, the chances of him making it into 391 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: the twenties start looking less and less here the closer 392 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: we get to the draft. So again, just it just 393 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: shows you how how the perceptions and you know, whatever 394 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: whatever uh in formation leaks that are, you know that 395 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: are coming out in terms of in terms of how 396 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: teams are viewing these prospects. Things can change all the way, 397 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: just even in the even in the last month up 398 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: to Draft day. But those are those are two guys 399 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: that have been um, have been highlighted on our on 400 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: our website in the Draft Digest series. If you want 401 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: to go check out check them out as well. I 402 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: want to go back to UM. I want to go 403 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: back to the offensive line a little bit too, just 404 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: to get any thoughts you might have on other guys 405 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned Tevin Jenkins, the other one out to stick 406 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: with the Big twelve. UM. Samuel Cozmi from Texts is another. UM. 407 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: These are the two. These are the two guys when 408 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: I was, you know, kind of researching and reading about him. 409 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: These are the two guys that for offensive lineman sort 410 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: of have been have been labeled as having like this 411 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: nasty streak, like whatever that whatever that exactly. I'm not 412 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: sure um, but UM, but it sounds like these are 413 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: these are kind of some like bad dudes when they 414 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: put the when they put the helmet on. UM. So 415 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: just just curious. But Kasmi is another one who strikes 416 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: me a lot like Jenkins from Oklahoma State in that 417 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: in that the size and all the physical characteristics are there, 418 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: the experience, the number of games they've played, everything is there. 419 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: And also there's some flexibility there as to whether, you know, 420 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: maybe it's right side, left side, maybe it's even guard 421 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: if you want to go that route and move other 422 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: guys around. Um, just another another guy to keep an 423 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: eye on there. But I don't know if there any 424 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: other offensive lineman that you've that you've heard about. We 425 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: have to talk about Quinn Miners, right, you have to. 426 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: This is what's what's great about his story, the white 427 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: Water War Hook. If there's anything that there was a 428 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: state of Wisconsin has produced over the last twenty five 429 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: years in the national it's offensive lineman. How does a 430 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: kid from Wisconsin from Hartford end up at and all 431 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: due respect white Water. White Water is a powerhouse Division 432 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: three powerhouse my entire lifetime, basically right at least my 433 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: adult life. How does no one catch onto this kid 434 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: and then he goes to Whitewater has a great run there, 435 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: and it's not just like oh, like, oh he might 436 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: get picked, might be a seventh rounder. I mean, this 437 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: guy is probably gonna be a starting center in this 438 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: league or at least a starting offensive lineman. I mean 439 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: in his story and it's been kind of well documented 440 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: here through the draft and obviously he's been on NFL 441 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: Network and all these different appearances he's made. But you know, 442 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: they joke about the short shirt and you know those 443 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: type of things, and they makes good headlines and makes 444 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: good videos that you want to click on. But the 445 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: guys are really good football player and it's kind of 446 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: cool for a state that only has one Division one 447 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: football program that a lot of times, if you're not 448 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: going to Wisconsin, you're leaking out to the MAC, you're 449 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: leaking out to you know, the Division two schools out 450 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Uh, this guy went to Whitewater and he 451 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: made himself into an NFL prospect, and just seeing his 452 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: story play out, I'm very curious to see a where 453 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 1: he goes b which team is going to take him, 454 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: because for Whitewater, they've had guys get to the pros, 455 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: some of them have been done it in Green Day Wisconsin, 456 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: but they haven't had like a big prospect in the 457 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: National Football League a guy that has expectations on him, 458 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: and Quinn is going to be that guy. Yeah, I 459 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: mean from what I'm hearing. I mean, it's it sounds 460 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: like he's a Day two pick. They're talking second or 461 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: third round for a guy out of u W. Whitewater, 462 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: which is which is quite the quite the praise and 463 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: quite the accomplishment. There one more question I'm gonna throw 464 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: at you before we go for today. You mentioned right 465 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: off the top the Packers have not drafted a wide 466 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: receiver in the first round since two thousand and two, 467 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: since your eighth grade year out there in the Howard 468 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: Swamicko School District, bay View. There you go, bay View 469 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Middle School. Um, but I want to ask you this question. 470 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: If that streak were to end and the Packers were 471 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: to draft a receiver in the first round, a lot 472 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: of different guys being talked about. You have your you 473 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: have like your smaller sort of slot guy is like 474 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: the Cadarius Tony from Florida, Elijah More from Mississippi, Rondale 475 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: Moore from Perdue. You have, I guess what I would say, 476 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: You're You're more full bodied like bigger receivers Rashad Bateman 477 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: from Minnesota. A guy like Terris Marshall from l s 478 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: U another example in that regard. So my question to 479 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: you is, if the streak dating back to two thousand 480 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: and two were to end, do you think which type 481 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: of receiver do you think Brian Goodkins might go? It 482 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: would be funny if the streak ended that they just 483 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: go all in, they just go up and get Davonte Smith. 484 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: Let's just let's just get him. Let's bring him in. 485 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: Davante likes him. Who weighed who weighed a hundred and 486 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: sixty six pounds? I believe when he when he weighed 487 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: in in Indianapolis the other day a hundred and sixty 488 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: six pounds playing in the NFL. I mean, the guy 489 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: is an incredible athlete and incredible football player. But man, 490 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: when you step on the scale and that's your size 491 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: in this league, it's gonna it's gonna raise some questions. Yeah, 492 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: Tavon Austin. It was funny last year when he came 493 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: in and we were visiting when he came out in 494 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: l a or excuse me, at the time. St. Louis 495 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: made him, what was the eighth overall pick and he 496 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: was a hundred seventy eight coming out and people were 497 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: kind of wondering about that. So Smith is gonna have 498 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: to break down some barriers. Here for the receiver position, 499 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: if he's gonna just to add to a lot of 500 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: people wondered about Aaron Donald's size as well, and what 501 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: look what Aaron Donald has done on the defensive line 502 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: with multiple Defensive Players of the Year and all that. 503 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: But we digressed. We're not going to be covering Davante Smith. 504 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: The Packers didn't lose enough games for the you know, 505 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith to be in their their neck of the woods. 506 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: But okay, so Bateman is obviously if you look from 507 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: a pure standpoint again going back to the track record 508 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: of what the Packers have drafted, Bateman fits the mold. 509 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: That's the type of receiver they've gone after. They've liked 510 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: those you know, six three, six four receivers since Brian 511 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: Goods has ben GM That's the direction they've they've tilted. 512 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: That being said, Mike, the Packers, we don't there is 513 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: no third running back right now. Tyler Irvin is still 514 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: a free agent. I wonder, like I said, with last 515 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: year when they drafted Josiah Deguara, we learned at that 516 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: moment how much that flex fullback tight end position is 517 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: going to mean in this offense. In this draft, we're 518 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: gonna learn a lot about what the that sweep jet 519 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: sweep receiver means, because I think we learned with Austin 520 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: coming in it doesn't have to be a running back. 521 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: It can be a receiver. But what kind of investment 522 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: do they want to put into that? So that being said, 523 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: Elijah Moore is my guy if they end up not 524 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: saying he's gonna just do that, but I mean in 525 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: terms of the shiftier, smaller receiver that can do a 526 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: lot of different things for you sizes what it is, 527 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: but I think you've seen guys if they can prove 528 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: that their body can stand up to the hits in 529 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: the week to week now seventeen games in a regular season, 530 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: that they can be really dynamic in this league. And 531 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: he's the one that when I go through this list 532 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: in terms of what is realistic for Green Bay at 533 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: the end of the first round, he's the guy that 534 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: jumps off the board for yeah, I mean to me, 535 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: to me, the only the only reason that these that 536 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: these you know, smaller, speedier, lot wide receivers are even 537 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: being considered or mocked by the experts, some of them 538 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: to the Packers at the end of the first round 539 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: is all because of Matt Lafleur's scheme in my opinion 540 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: that that they see it. They see it. It's seen 541 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: as as a need and Matt Matt Lafleur's track record 542 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: is that he wants to have one of those guys. 543 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: I mean, they went and plucked Tyler Irvin out of 544 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: nowhere and boom he was. He was thrown into the 545 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: offense right away late in twenty nineteen. They tried to 546 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: do the same thing last year with Tavon Austin because 547 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: Irvin was hurt, they didn't have that guy like Matt 548 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Lafleur wants that guy. So the question you just asked, like, 549 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: how big an investments are they going to make? Because 550 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: I think the Packers are going to address that position 551 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: in this draft. I just don't know what round or 552 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: what pick you know they're going to use to do it. 553 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: How big of an investment are they going to make? 554 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: Because because Matt Lafleur wants that guy, he wants he 555 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: wants that type of weapon in his offense to add 556 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: to the openness of creativity and everything in the playbook. 557 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: You got the cool stat about Minnesota. I want you 558 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 1: to say it now in terms of the Packers. How 559 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: long had it been since they drafted with somebody from Minnesota, 560 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 1: even though the fact that they've drafted more golfers than 561 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: any other player in NFL history. Yeah, when the Packers 562 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: drafted Kamal Martin last year, they had not drafted a 563 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: player from the University of Minnesota since, and yet Minnesota 564 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: still ranks number one in all time in terms of 565 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: the number of players the Packers have drafted from that school. 566 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, just an interesting tidbit I happened to come 567 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: across when I was doing some research. I do like 568 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: Bateman a lot. You know, the one thing about Minnesota 569 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: is you don't really think and this is no disrespect 570 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: to their program, but you know, they've been they've gone 571 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: through some lane years. In my adult life, you haven't 572 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: really been able to think of many guys that came 573 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: out of that program that were like stars in the NFL. 574 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: Plenty of guys that played at a high level in 575 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: the NFL, but not a lot of stars. Bateman has 576 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: the star factor. He had it when he played for 577 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: the Golfers, and I think he's going to have it 578 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: at the next level. I'm very curious to see which 579 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: direction he goes and as I said, Mike, I think 580 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: the number one thing we're gonna learn whatever round the 581 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: Packers draft receiver. And I'm not saying there have to, 582 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: but if they don't, it'll be the first time in 583 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: franchise history that they've gone three straight drafts without taking one. 584 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: It's never happened since the receiver position has been a 585 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: designation basically. So when they do draft that guy, is 586 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: it going to be another six four body or is 587 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: it going to be someone that's a little bit smaller 588 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: and shift here. That's the number one thing I think 589 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna learn about with this offense in the direction 590 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: it's going in this season. Yeah. Alright, well we've gone 591 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: way over time today are It was fun? It was fun. 592 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: Our producer Marv is going to be mad at us, 593 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: but uh, forgive us Marv. With that, we are signing 594 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: off on this edition of Packers on Scripted. Be sure 595 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: to follow all of our pre draft coverage, position series, 596 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: draft digest series. It's all there on Packers dot com 597 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: for Wes. I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in, everybody, 598 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: See you next day.