1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Emily, and this is and you're listening 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: to stuff Mom Never told you. Now when Britt and 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: I took the helm of stuff Mom Never told you, 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: you all welcomed us with such open arms, and you 5 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: answered our request to be friends in such a warm 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: and positive way. We appreciate that Smithy listeners, despite the 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: fact that we had some pretty big shoes to fill, 8 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: didn't we They huge shoes, very big shoes. And you 9 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: may be familiar with the co host that predated us, 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: the original creator of stuff Mom Never Told You. Kristen 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: Congres and Caroline Irvin, her co host, are now back 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: here in studio with us to talk about their exciting 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: new podcast, Unladylike That is dropping this week. So for 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: a Sminty universe coming together all four of us. We 15 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: are so excited to have a conversation today about what 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: it means to be Unladylike in ten Kristen and Caroline, 17 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Oh, thanks so much for having us, y'all. 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. And I did bring my really big shoes, um, 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm probably gonna need something in them, like 20 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: big socks to help them stay on on my feet. 21 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: I would also like to go on the ruggers say 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: that y'all have filled those shoes, and then some you' 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: all have been terrific, delight. We couldn't have left on. 24 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: We couldn't have left our shoes with better feet. I 25 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: like this. I like this feet and shoe metaphor that 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: you've established early on. How long it's making a percentage 27 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: of the population really happy right now? Whatever shoe fetish 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: foot fetish people out there. I love it. Well, let's 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: see how long we can keep the metaphor going, y'all. 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: I am excited to learn every thing we can about Unladylike. 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: So tell us what is what is the gist behind 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: your new show? What does it mean to be unladylike 33 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: to you? So? The podcast is all about what happens 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: when women break the rules, the societal garbage, patriarchy, rules 35 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: about how women are supposed to be, women identified women, um, 36 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: and we basically want to take a sledgehammer to all 37 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: of that by talking to actual women identified women out 38 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: there who are breaking the rules, sisters doing it for 39 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: themselves and as podcast veterans, I mean, y'all have been 40 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: around the block when it comes to the art and 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: the exploding world of podcasting, What do you hope to 42 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: do with the new show? To sort of mix things 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: up for you. I think we we really wanted to 44 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: bring in more voices. That was like number one. Um, 45 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: we had heard each other's voices a lot, and I 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: was like, Baally was like tired of hearing my own voice. Second, 47 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: I was tired of hearing Christen flore Um. So we 48 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: wanted to bring in more real humans to share their 49 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: experiences because when we were on Sminty, we had definitely 50 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: gotten used to specifying for listeners that hey, like we're 51 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: not the experts, we are not every woman, we can't 52 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: speak for every woman, but here's like, here's what we've 53 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: learned from our research. So we still wanted to be 54 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: able to present research, context, history of a topic, but 55 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: bring in those voices that had experienced whatever the topic was, 56 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: had lived it. I also think that the uh, the 57 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: hellscape that was the election of really shaped the direction too, 58 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: as to since gender, straight, privileged white women of like 59 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: wanting to decenter ourselves too in the conversations and get 60 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: better at listening. Um, so we were really excited to a, yeah, 61 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: find some stories and like talk talk to ladies about 62 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: what's really going on? That sounds awesome. I love the 63 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: idea of sort of building a cacophony of women's voices 64 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: and sort of having all those different experiences come together 65 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: to sort of, you know, form a chorus and sort 66 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: of tell those important stories that aren't being told. One 67 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: question that I have for you all is you mentioned 68 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: at the top of the show that you really wanted 69 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: to focus on the idea of what happens when women 70 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: don't fit into, you know, the stereotypical notion of what 71 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: it means to be a woman. What happens when a 72 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: woman breaks the rules? Why was that such an important 73 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: story to tell for y'all? Well? I think for one, um, 74 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: we were sick of that burden ourselves from like a 75 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: personal perspective, was tired of wearing bras still let us 76 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: to bed no more? Uh Yeah, I think, um, we 77 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: felt it. We felt the burden of uh expectations of 78 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: women and femininity. We had talked about it, read about it, 79 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: researched it, lived it, breathed it for so many years 80 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: on Sminty as well. And I think in in in 81 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: our desire to bring in more voices and wondering like okay, well, 82 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: what voices are we going to bring in and what 83 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: do they have in common? You know, it's like, yeah, 84 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: we could just talk to cool women all day, but 85 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: what is the thread, And the thread is that they 86 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: are throwing off those expectations. They aren't going to sit 87 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: there and behave in whatever way is expected. You know, 88 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: they might not even be likable, but they are. Whatever 89 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: they're doing in their field and their work, whatever it is, 90 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: they are sort of doing the unexpected. And I think 91 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: more broadly, just as feminists, um, it requires constantly breaking 92 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: the rules and acting out and acting up, um, being loud, 93 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: and it can be really uncomfortable obviously, like as girls 94 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: were so socialized to color within the lines, um, stay 95 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: cleaning pretty, etcetera. But it's a time to break all 96 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: the rules because the rules will not protect us. Well 97 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: learn exactly, well, yeah, exactly, the rules won't protect us. 98 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: And I think you know, we've seen this deluge of 99 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: think pieces, for instance, lately, about women's anger, especially in 100 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: the wake of the election, and people seem to be 101 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: commenting on women's anger a lot. Uh, And that to 102 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: me is very unladylike because it's not as if women 103 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: have never been angry like, right, I mean, we're we've 104 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: always been able to get angry, but women's anger is 105 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: something that's typically feared or dismissed or stereo stereotyped. And 106 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: so I feel like that's that cultural moment of like, 107 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, women are getting angry and loud is 108 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: such a great thing to be happening in tandem with 109 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: us launching unladylike, because that's not that we're going to 110 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: talk about rage all the time, but that's sort of 111 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: I'm a cranky jerk. I am curious though, Emily and 112 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: bridget Um, I'm I'd love to bounce the ball back 113 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: to y'all in terms of unladylike because it's always kind 114 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: of a fun convo to find out, like when you 115 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: say unlady like, what other how other women relate to it? 116 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: And Um, since y'all are also so steeped in activism 117 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: and feminism and all the all the isms and gender, what, 118 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: what do y'all do you all feel like we're living 119 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: in an unladylike era? That's a big question. I feel 120 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: like the nature of the term is an inverse one, right, 121 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: So unladylike it's a rejection of a role which I 122 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: think is really interesting. You know me, I love I 123 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: love a good word with the word boss in it. 124 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: I like, I feel like the reason bossed up is 125 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: the name of my company is because I like the 126 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: framework of here's the power I'm taking for myself, here's 127 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: here's not what I'm rejecting, here's what I'm owning. And 128 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: I think they both have a really important role in 129 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: the feminist dialogue and in shaping your own role for 130 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 1: yourself and owning what you want and what you don't want. 131 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: And so there's a part of it to me that's 132 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: very I think Caroline really hit on a nerve there. 133 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: It's really angry. It's really at its core it's about 134 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: saying no, another word I love to use quite a bit. 135 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think the term unladylike really does 136 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: uh strike a negative chord in that you're throwing off expectations, 137 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: which I think is quite cool. Yeah, that's that's very deep. 138 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: I think it's like interesting. I didn't mean to get 139 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: us to Philip stoned like having like a what does 140 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: it really mean? Though? Man? Yeah, I think for me, 141 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: I I really identify with what you said about sort 142 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: of this this ground swell of anger and rage and 143 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: frustration that women have been feeling. But I like to 144 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: think that women have been unladylike and angry and mean 145 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: and salty and bitchy and pissy. Rightfully, so, since forever, 146 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: right like, my entire thing has been looking at women 147 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: who weren't likable, who weren't nice, who weren't sweet, And 148 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: those are the women I always was really interested in 149 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: and identified with. And so, you know, as a kid, 150 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: I remember when we were trying out for the school play. 151 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: We were doing Snow White, and I badly wanted to 152 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: be the queen. We were doing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, 153 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: and I wanted to be Verruca saw the like really 154 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: braddy annoying girl because that was rare. Like I understood 155 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: that you were supposed to not like those characters because 156 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: they were female and they were unlikable. And so my 157 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: whole life have been drawn to this idea that women 158 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: who are angry and rage and have something to say 159 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: and aren't always super nice are the ones to sort 160 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: of look out for and be interested in. And so 161 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: I would argue that all throughout history we've seen women 162 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: like that who don't give up and don't hear if 163 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: they piss you off. And I think now more than ever, 164 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: that's okay. Those women are saying, you know, we've played 165 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: nice and tried to you know, couch what I wanted 166 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: to say in sort of nice language, and you know, 167 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: pretty you know, I've I've learned how to be likable 168 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: and say what I have to say without you know, 169 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: hurting your feelings. And I think now women are saying, no, 170 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to say it and if it hurts your 171 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: feelings and hurts your feelings and you can deal with it. 172 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: I am super excited to dive more into the business 173 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: behind your new podcast, because, as we know, leaving a 174 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: big network like How Stuff Works is no easy feet. 175 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: Y'all struck out on your own on Ladylike is your 176 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: own brand that you've launched, and the launch of this 177 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: podcast is a huge milestone in the sort of journey 178 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: that y'all have been on as creatives. We're going to 179 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: dive more into that after this quick break, So let's 180 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: talk more about how you got to this point, Kristen 181 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: and Caroline. You were with How Stuff Works, hosting and 182 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: creating stuff mom never told you for so long, your 183 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: veterans of the industry. What is it like to feel 184 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: like scrappy startup entrepreneurs? Like, how did that feel? How 185 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: is that journey? It was exciting? Um. It was something 186 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: that we had a lot of energy, both from a 187 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: creative standpoint of wanting to try new things production wise, um, 188 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: and also politically, as we've just been talking about so 189 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: on a lot of different levels. Just bringing a lot 190 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: of energy to it um and also getting to meet 191 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: a new part of the podcast world UM, and and 192 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: kind of learning more about the craft. It is scrappy, though, 193 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: I think that's a good word to describe it as 194 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: having gone through the process myself. You gotta scrappy to 195 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: start something new, totally, absolutely, And it's it's I think 196 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: we you know, as with anything that you're starting, it's new. 197 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: If you're going in a new direction, you don't know 198 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: what you don't know. And so we definitely did strike 199 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: out on our own with certain expectations about how quickly 200 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: we would be able to do things and and what 201 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: we would be able to do. And it was definitely 202 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: a big ship to steer and I I say that 203 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: and it sounds like, well, duh, you like launched a 204 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: company in a new show, But I think in our 205 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: heads or in my head at least, it's like, oh, yeah, 206 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: we'll be able to do this. It's you know, gonna 207 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: be super snappy and uh well. And also, I mean 208 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: it makes me think like less about the kind of 209 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: the work ahead because it's like, Okay, we're gonna make 210 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: a new podcast, we're gonna write this book, we're gonna 211 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna make some content. Let's do it. 212 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: But it was so much of um, the work wife 213 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: relationship too, of learning how to work with each other 214 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: on a on a deeper level honestly, like a very 215 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: like wifely we're very legally bound now we I think 216 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: Kris and I are just about more married than she 217 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: and her husband are. But yeah, I mean we've we've 218 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: definitely it's been a lesson in like work wifeing for sure, 219 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: but also just interpersonal stuff in general. I mean, like 220 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: Kristen has had to fully understand how much I come 221 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: to rely on emojis to understand tone and communication. For instance, 222 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: got to have those emojis. That's a major part of 223 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,479 Speaker 1: my work life. Bridget and I solely text with emojis 224 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: pretty much communication methodology. I get it, so I'm curious, 225 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: can you take us through your creative process a little bit. 226 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: You you spoke to the idea of having a really 227 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: good working relationship and sort of understanding how each other 228 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: functions and works. What is what does the creative process 229 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: look like for un Ladylike. So the creative process with 230 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: developing Unladylike the podcast started with our elevator pitch of 231 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: we want to make something that feels like Amy Poehler 232 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: and Samantha b hosted This American Life. So we want 233 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: to do a little more narrative stuff to explore that 234 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: level of audio production and again like talk to you 235 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: more people, um, and still be able to flex our 236 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: nerdy feminist muscles at the same time. UM. So we 237 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: kind have had that spark and as y'all know from 238 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: stuff I've never told you, like the research that it 239 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: entails like we kind of walked in with like a 240 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: head full of like we know how to research, and 241 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: we know a lot of stuff about gender and um 242 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: now we're going to kind of repackage it in in 243 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: new ways. Yeah. Part of the part of the building 244 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: up creative process has definitely been learning to package all 245 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: of that research and gumption and scrappiness into something listenable, UH, 246 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: that has an arc, that has a narrative that has, 247 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of different acts, and it because 248 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: we are so lucky to be working with like radio 249 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: veterans and podcast veterans UM in our production team and 250 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: our editorial team, and UH, they've definitely played a huge 251 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: role in helping us guide that so that we're not 252 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: just you know, throwing a bunch of research spaghetti at 253 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: the wall. And I would say that day to day 254 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: the UM, the really helpful thing about our work life 255 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: relationship is that we are both obviously interested in a 256 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: lot of the same things. We UM actually like often 257 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: show up at each other's houses wearing very similar outfits. 258 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: The men in our lives are kind of carbon copies 259 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: of each other. But when it comes to like workflow 260 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: and tasks, we naturally gravitate toward different things, different but 261 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: complimentary things. UM. And that's been a really helpful thing 262 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: to to discover and kind of like delegate naturally between 263 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: us so that we're not both just like trying to 264 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: do the same thing at the same time. Awesome, and 265 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: I imagine that must be helpful in terms of your 266 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: company writ large, so One of my favorite parts of 267 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: you launching the un lady Like brand are your newsletters. 268 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: Can you tell us all the different pieces that go 269 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: into how you envision on lady Like really supporting women 270 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: and girls and providing the kind of content as one 271 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: might call it in our industry, or information that you 272 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: might want to get out into the world. Like. There's 273 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: lots of forms that you're taking with that, correct, right, 274 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: And I think one of our main overarching approaches is 275 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: that we want to create things and put things out 276 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: in the world that can help stave off hopelessness and exhaustion. 277 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: I I think it's so easy. It's so easy, Emily, 278 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, you talk about burnout. It's so easy to 279 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: feel like, oh my god, like I've been through the Ringer, 280 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: things are terrible. What can I even do? So we 281 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: don't want to just create a bunch of stuff that's 282 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: telling you how terrible it is. It's telling you that 283 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: there's sexists and racists in the world. We want to 284 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: contextualize that information and then shore it up with some 285 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: good news and some inspirational stuff and some actual steps 286 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: that you can take. So that's sort of like the 287 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: guiding force around all the stuff we create, and a big, 288 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: a big focus with the new this letter in particular 289 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: is there's a section actually good news for all those 290 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: reasons that Caroline stated, which was also just like selfishly 291 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of self preservation of like I just 292 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to read about Trump anymore today, but 293 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: also wanting to make sure that we are keeping an 294 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: eye on things happening with women and girls outside of 295 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: our own backyards and on a global scale. Um, and 296 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: we can always do better with that, but trying to 297 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: like showcase the work of women who don't look like 298 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: us and keep intersectionality at the forefront as much as 299 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: we can. I think that's so important. And just like 300 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: you were saying, it's so important to not feel like 301 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: you're just throwing a lot of bad news at people 302 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: and overwhelming them, because then they just shut down and 303 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: they think there's nothing I can do. We're all gonna die. 304 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: Everything is awful. And why even bother why I think 305 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: out of bed right, like if you just give people 306 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: so much bad news, they almost sort of can't function. 307 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: And but I was working at Planned Parenthood. We in 308 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: in our online newsletters usually it was an entire newsletter 309 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: of all this awful stuff. But we always had a 310 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: section called getting us Through, So it doesn't matter if 311 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: it's just a cute baby in a sweatshirt or like 312 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: a dog with like it could be the dumbest thing. 313 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: But if it's something positive, that's this is what's getting 314 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: me through all this bad news. Even just ending on 315 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: that can be really really powerful, yeah, and actionable. That's 316 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: always been super important to me. It's like one thing 317 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: to pepper in all the real news with a cute 318 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: animals being bros kind of gift or like unlikely friendships, 319 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: which is the right, you know, but but being able 320 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: to say concretely remember on the end of the year episode, 321 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: we one of the things that our listeners responded to 322 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: the most was our advice to save your elected officials 323 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: numbers in your cell phones, just to make it easier 324 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: to take action all year round. For me, I'm always 325 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: focused on, Okay, what can I do with this information 326 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: to have a real practical, tactical impact in what's happening 327 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: in the world, and also make it easy, like don't 328 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: make me work too hard, but make it make it impactful, 329 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: make it resourceful, and make it an opportunity to to 330 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: act on our shared values. So I really love hearing 331 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: that that's that's the direction you're taking us in. Yeah, 332 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: totally um. And it could be as simple as like 333 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: if we write a blurb in the newsletter about something, 334 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: just tacking on a little thing at the end, it's like, hey, 335 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more and donate, go here. 336 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: Because I know when I'm consuming online media it's so 337 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: easy to get so lazy and just be like, oh, 338 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: there's that terrible thing again. But if you if you 339 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: force feed me, you know, spoon feed me, the the 340 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: ability to actually help or do something actionable, I'm more 341 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: likely to do it. So what can you tell us 342 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: about the book? Because when you all left stuff, I've 343 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: never told you you made the big announcement that you 344 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: were having a book baby, and I know things are 345 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: still a little under wraps about that, so you can't 346 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: tell us too much about it. But is there anything 347 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: you can share for the Aspire authors who might be 348 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: listening to this about what the co authorship process was 349 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: like for you or anything else we can expect to 350 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: hear on the unladylike book front. It was very intense. 351 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: I've actually talked to this is to put listeners minds 352 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: at ease. Like I've actually talked to other writers and 353 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: creators and um, I have a novelist family friend who's 354 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: turned out a couple of amazing books, and they all 355 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: pretty much say the same thing, which is like, you'll 356 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: love creating and you'll feel driven to write, but in 357 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: the moment, it feels like the hardest, grossest, worst thing 358 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: in the world. Um. And so that's kind of where 359 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: we were of like, we love what we're doing and 360 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: we can't wait to share this with people, and we 361 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: love the research, but it's the it is the actual 362 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: like book birthing process that is so just like, oh 363 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: my god, please, I'm going to run away. Yeah. I 364 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: don't know anyone who's written a book who's like I 365 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: just love the writing process. Our our editor even even 366 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: consult as a couple of times of like, no, really, 367 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: this sucks, like this, this is not the fun part. 368 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: I gotta say, though, in the throes of all of 369 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: the manuscripting it was super arduous, as it should be. 370 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you're writing a book, um, but afterwards it 371 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: does feel so good. And the fact that we were 372 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: really passionate and still are obviously really passionate about the 373 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: subject matter kept us going. It also again like helps 374 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: that we were fueled post election to write this guide 375 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: to smashing the patriarchy and claiming your space because it 376 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: feels more necessary than ever before. Um, so yeah, it was. 377 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: It was a wild process, and Caroline and I literally 378 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: like split the manuscript into and went our separate ways 379 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: and did our research kind of like we would do 380 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: with podcast prep, of like oh, let's pick a topic 381 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: and go and read and then we'll come back and share. Um. 382 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: And that was that was an interesting kind of way 383 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: for us to also learn what each other gravitates towards 384 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: in our respective work processes too. I mean, seventeen was 385 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: just a huge, huge year of learning that I'm glad 386 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: behind me, but also it was invaluable. Wasn't there a 387 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: Kardashian quote like a year of many life lessons? That 388 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: was a kylie. It seems like everyone is. That's the 389 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: year of people realizing things, realizing I mean, honestly kind 390 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: of true. Let's talk more about how you're using your 391 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: new podcast to help everybody realize things. After this quick 392 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: break and we're back, and I'm so curious, can you 393 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: tell us what your premier episode of unladylike will be 394 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: all about. So we uh, we really been working on 395 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: it off and on for a year since it was 396 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: the pilot episode. And um, we decided on abortion because hey, 397 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: if we're gonna call ourselves and lady like, let's just 398 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: come out of the gate with a convo about abortion chat. 399 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just a little fireside chat, 400 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: you know. Um and uh And specifically we're focusing in 401 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: on the money aspect of how people actually pay for abortions, 402 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: how much they cost, which is just like such a 403 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: maze that we didn't realize was even there. Um, And 404 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: we learned a lot, and we had we had no 405 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: desire to talk about like the arguments for and against abortion. 406 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: We had no desire to discuss the handwringing and the 407 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: ethics and the morality and and you know any any 408 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, because it's like, yo, abortion is legal 409 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: one yeah exactly, so like let's not give any of 410 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: that any space in our brains. It's legal. People get them, 411 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,239 Speaker 1: but they get them in different ways. How do they 412 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: pay for them and how much do they cost? Because 413 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: we also realized like, oh, hey, we're a pair of 414 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: women who are super pro choice. We're in our thirties. 415 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: We're not exactly sure how much abortion costs. And the 416 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: more we talked to women, like everyone seemed to have 417 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: a story of like a lot of times it was like, well, yeah, 418 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: I had to be I I remember that because I 419 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: was late on rent that month, because I had to 420 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: pay for the abortion, because a lot of times it's 421 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: paid out of pocket. And then of course, like bridget 422 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, well, like all of the restrictions 423 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: that ultimately just make it more and more and more expensive. Um, 424 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: so it's it's really uh startling how abortion is kind 425 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: of a luxury procedure in this country. So yeah, that 426 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: was that's our pilot. And we brought a little clip 427 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: for y'all if you want, if you want to sneak peak, 428 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: we love that. Well. I got pregnant the classy way 429 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: on the floor of an Amtrak train in the handicapped bathroom. 430 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: And I proposed this, if you are having sex on 431 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: the floor of an Amtrak train in a handicapped bathroom, 432 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: maybe you're not ready to be a mother. I was twenty. 433 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: Most people would consider that Unladylike I just say, I'm 434 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: a good time. I'm a fun person. Trail was so 435 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: not ready to have a kid. But thankfully she had 436 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: like basically the ultimate connection in this situation. My mother 437 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: super She's the best woman in the world. She's a nurse, 438 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: nurses and squeezes people in the world, and you know, 439 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: being raised by a nurse, I knew of that. I 440 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: could tell her. I was like, Hey, I'm pregnant, and 441 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: the next words out of her mouth were what do 442 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: you want to do? And that that choice that she 443 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: gave me. Immediately, I just breathed a huge sigh of relief, 444 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: like waiting the ex Heil Terry McMillan and Style just 445 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: got it all out and and I was like, wow, okay, 446 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: so I decided to have the abortion. Yeah, this is 447 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: just the start for joy Al. Her mom did even more. 448 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: She set everything up with a doctor friend to handle 449 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: the procedure pro bono. She got a pro bono a Bobo. 450 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: The pro bono Abobos is my new dream band. Thank you, 451 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: You're welcome. But hold up now. So what you're telling me, though, 452 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: is that Joel's mom hooked her up with I'm saying 453 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: this in all caps listeners, a free abortion on demand, 454 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: and she didn't have to go to an abortion clinic. 455 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: Her appointment was in a generic medical office building, so 456 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: that meant that when she showed up, there wouldn't be 457 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: any protesters. You know, there were no people waving signs, 458 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: nothing like that. Trial might as well have been going 459 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: to the dentist. It was a medical office building. I 460 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: walked in, go up. It's really nice, you know, nice 461 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: waiting room, very quiet it. I think I might have 462 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: been the only person there. He might have opened just 463 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: for me. I'm not sure. Um going, and in the 464 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: room there was an anesthesiologist and my doctor. So then 465 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: the next thing I knew, I woke up and and 466 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: I had, like, I don't know, apple juice and Graham 467 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: crackers or something. My other friends have said. You don't 468 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: get put to sleep regularly. I mean, getting anesthesia is 469 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: a luxury. You don't get put to sleep for an 470 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: abortion because the procedure is very very quick, and they 471 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: have to you know, be awake in feeling that. You've 472 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: got to feel the vacuum. I didn't have to feel that. 473 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: And to quickly clarify, the vacuum that Joyell's referencing is 474 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: the vacuum aspiration abortion, also known as the surgical abortion, 475 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: which is super common, super safe, and joy l was 476 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: under general anesthesia for it, so I know that's just 477 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: extra extra privilege on top privileged. I just got to 478 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: wake up. I didn't see a bill it was amazing. 479 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: So this might have been the first time I've ever 480 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: heard someone described their abortion as amazing. Yeah, me too. 481 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: But Caroline, let's be real. If people have a haunting 482 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: experience of abortion, there's a good chance that had nothing 483 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: to do with the emotional, religious, or whatever other pressures 484 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: women experience, and more to do with the money. Wow. 485 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: As the daughter of a nurse, first of all, shout 486 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: out to everything that she just said about having a 487 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: nurse mama, because that is a privilege unlike anything other. 488 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: And you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, my mom 489 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: is a doctor. She's a pediatrician, beloved in our town. 490 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: My mom is the kind of doctor that when she 491 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: walks down the street, people run out of shops to 492 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: give her hugs. So I get it. I get the 493 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: vibe of having a really strong mama bear that is 494 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: involved in the medical community. Also, nurses have that sort 495 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: of don't mess with me vibe where don't come for 496 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: their kids, don't off with their kid like you know, 497 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: want to mess with a nurse. And if there was 498 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: anyone who I'd want to like walk me through this 499 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: and support me through that, it will be a mom 500 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: who is a medical professional. So I definitely identify with that. Yeah, 501 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: And it's such an important privilege to point out of 502 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: how rare this is, Like if you don't have a 503 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: family member who can get you a medical hook up, 504 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: this is a huge obstacle in terms of access. So 505 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: how can our listeners tune in for the premiere? I'm 506 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: sure we want to hear the rest of that episode 507 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: and where you take it from there? You can find 508 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: us on Apple Podcasts just search Unladylike. You can also 509 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: find us on Stitcher or anywhere you like to listen 510 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: to your podcast. UM. You can also head over to 511 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: our website Unladylike dot c O slash podcast where you 512 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: can get even more details and listen to the trailer UM, 513 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: and you can find us everywhere on social at unlady 514 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: Like Media Awesome. So where are you hoping to take 515 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: unlady Like next? You've got your premiere coming out this week? 516 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: What are your wildest ambitions for getting unlady going to Hollywood? 517 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: Speaking personally, I don't want to speak for your ambition, Caroline, 518 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: would be it from me. Uh, one of my wildest 519 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: ambitions for the show is to share the stories that 520 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: you didn't know that you needed to hear and to 521 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: um to really break ground in the women's podcasting realm 522 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: because there are obviously so many amazing like women focused 523 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: and gender and feminism focus podcasts out there, but there's 524 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: still so much more room for us to explore and 525 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: so many more stories out there to be told. And 526 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm just pumped to go talk to people. Yeah, I'm 527 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm so ready to create like an army of action 528 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: minded people humans in general who sent us sentient human beings. 529 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: Although if robots want to join us, they can just 530 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: please don't kill it. But no, I I really I 531 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: I you know, I loved that. Was one of my 532 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: favorite parts of participating in Smenty was having that community 533 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: and being able to talk to people and hear their 534 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: stories like what a privilege talk about privilege right, like 535 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: to be able to to hear from people who have 536 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: lived the stuff that you've only researched and um, so 537 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: I hope to build up our own community with unladylike 538 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: as well and then use that underlying principle of anger 539 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: and action to move forward together. And I just really 540 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: hope that listeners derive a sense of empowerment. To use 541 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: a very overused, overused term, but to your point earlier 542 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: Emily about UM making things actionable. UM, hopefully like by 543 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: hearing women like living their lives and and doing the 544 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: damn thing whether people want them to or not, can 545 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: give people a sense of hope and a sense that, hey, 546 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: you can at one foot in front of the other two. 547 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: We're all in this together, and let's get on lady like. 548 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: We'll sign us up for the unladylike angry mob of women. 549 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: We will be right there with you on the front lines. 550 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: And listeners, we want to hear from you what does 551 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: it mean to be unladylike? In and Kristen and Caroline, 552 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming back to your old girl's 553 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: stomping grounds to hang out with us on the pod. Yeah, 554 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: thanks so much for having us. We fun talking. We 555 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: appreciate it so much. You can find us on Instagram 556 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: at stuff mom Ever Told You, on Twitter at mom 557 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: Stuff Podcast, and as always, we love reading your emails 558 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: at mom stuff at how stuff works dot com.