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Speaker 3: star rating, and comment what's happening?

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Speaker 4: What's happening? What's happening?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 4: Your boy Drake has lost his mind? Yeah, man, Drake

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Speaker 4: is out there.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 6: You know he believing in the system. You know he's singing.

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Speaker 6: They said he was right, he's singing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Drake so much is believe in

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man.

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Speaker 6: I was under the impression that the same thing that

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Speaker 6: he is. Like, you know, wasn't he a beneficiary of

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Speaker 3: I believe everybody is a beneficiary of bots. I think

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Speaker 3: that's just a part of the program. Nowadays, I don't

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Speaker 3: some kind of gatekeeper who was taking money. I remember, man,

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Speaker 3: I had a couple of records, man, when I was artists.

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Speaker 3: For those that don't know, I used to be a

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say this woman's name, because everybody is

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Speaker 3: Lawley hits me maybe about it wasn't a week later.

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Speaker 3: I'm lying, it was a month later. Say hey man,

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Speaker 3: you were on my stations and you haven't came to

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Speaker 4: And I was tapped out at that time. Man.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't spend thirty thousand dollars as an

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Speaker 3: a liber roxy type dude. That's all I'm gonna.

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Speaker 4: Say, A liber rocky, I mean, yeah, liberal yeah.

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Speaker 3: So this cat man pretty much muscled me, and that's

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Speaker 6: I mean, alcoholism, moonshine used to be illegal, right, we

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure that got something to do with it.

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Speaker 6: But he complaining about defamation like like the certain little

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Speaker 3: When you were in the battle dog when you just

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Speaker 3: You know, he was swinging his shot. You know that

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Speaker 4: You know. I just thought, Okay, he really going in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everything we see it on the internet. We see

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Speaker 3: That's one thing I pride myself on this show. We

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Speaker 4: So are you from a are you from an organization?

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Speaker 7: Am I from an organist? I am not from an organization? No,

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Speaker 3: That was a very square question. Well are you from

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Speaker 7: Very square.

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Speaker 4: That was a very square question. But you had a

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Speaker 7: I wanted the whole drive here. I wanted to start

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Speaker 4: They still live there.

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Speaker 7: No, they fled to the United States, but yeah that's

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Speaker 4: That's something else. Somebody fled right here.

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Speaker 7: I'm right here, still like two streets away.

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Speaker 4: That's real crazy tailor of world to your husband's name.

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Speaker 7: Blunt Blunt was his rap name, and it's when he started.

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Speaker 7: He was Blunt de Galli and the duo where that

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's dope, And so is that how you got well,

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Speaker 3: you got introduced him as a rapper, right, Yes.

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Speaker 7: He was already a rapper when I.

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Speaker 4: Met him, And you were a rapper already too when

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Speaker 7: Yes, Yeah, he knew who I was and I knew

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Speaker 4: Also, he was a grouping.

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Speaker 7: Then he wasn't a fan and I wasn't his fan either,

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Speaker 7: But when we met, I don't know. I guess he

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Speaker 4: See Blue said you got to break pray? Did I

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Speaker 4: need some bread?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, I'm pretty.

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Speaker 3: Sure because he was pretty big, So I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 4: Blew you up too.

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Speaker 7: Yes, a lot of people considered us like here, they

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Speaker 7: was Yeah, he's very his name has weight around here.

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Speaker 7: He's very well respected. So indeed, it did push me

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Speaker 7: into what i'm you know what I am today. I

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Speaker 7: like really really really hard work because I'm I'm the

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Speaker 7: telling your story, you know what I'm saying. So it's

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Speaker 7: and I'm working my way up because there's different levels

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Speaker 3: That's that's you know, one question I wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't wait. We've been talking about doing this for

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Speaker 3: Are there really any female bosses.

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Speaker 7: Out there like you Cartail, Yeah, yeah, yep, there are,

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Speaker 7: And there's a female females. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 7: bloody or violent than the men. Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 3: You never hear about them getting bussed either, I ain't

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Speaker 3: never heard about no females getting busted in the dope game.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, there's there's videos, there's documentaries about them, and

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Speaker 7: news here, like people just what sapped each other, the information,

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Speaker 7: a girl from here, from from I think it was

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Speaker 7: still this territory she was. They were in the confrontation

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Speaker 7: we call them at the pond, but they were in

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Speaker 7: a confrontation with the government. And you heard the audio.

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Speaker 7: You heard the girl I don't know what the word is,

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Speaker 7: And then they released that audio and then they're like, oh,

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Speaker 7: they released the information about her. They released her Facebook.

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Speaker 7: This is so and so, you know from the and

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Speaker 7: but we don't hear you know. I guess the rest

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Speaker 3: That's crazy. I guess America got a lot of censorship

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Speaker 3: You know, they get busted and it's on the news

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Speaker 4: Yes, and they do their thing.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And this is against the

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Speaker 2: Man, you know, it's crazy. I never thought it would

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like the league to me, Like if you see

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Speaker 8: I could hear songs. I knew songs, but I didn't

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Speaker 8: know music. And you could hear the difference when you

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Speaker 8: listen to let's say a NWA anything, early death ro

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Speaker 8: compience most wanted, you feel me, any of the stuff

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Speaker 8: Iceland was doing, it just was more.

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Speaker 4: You could tell they knew more about music. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: know what I think it was.

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Speaker 3: I think if anything we learned, we for sure learned theory,

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Speaker 3: and it was the basic stuff, like I remember, because

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Speaker 3: all I ever took was piano, and I remember, man,

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Speaker 3: they taught us chopsticks and a whole bunch of other

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Speaker 3: stuff and moonlight sonata and all that, you know, different

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Speaker 3: type of stuff. So it kind of took you from

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Speaker 3: there to where you had note recognition. And I would

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Speaker 3: say that help when you kind of got a hip

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Speaker 3: hop I kind of started off beliegue or not.

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Speaker 4: We're on the DJ side. Is my mom had bought

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Speaker 4: me some turntables.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but even that, you feel me, like, so the

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Speaker 8: point of this booking like it's one thing to turn

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Speaker 8: your natural ability into skill or technique, Like you know,

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Speaker 8: it's like a hooper like right, you could hoop right.

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Speaker 8: If you could jump out the gym, you know what

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Speaker 8: I mean? You fast, you could cross everything over. And

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Speaker 8: in high school that's gonna get you all the buckets.

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Speaker 8: In college, that's gonna get you some buckets. When you

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Speaker 8: get to that pro level, it's all about your skill set.

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Speaker 8: It ain't about because you ain't the fastest person out

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Speaker 8: there no more. You ain't the strongest person out there

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Speaker 8: no more. You don't jump the highest out there no more.

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Speaker 8: Now it's gonna be you know, would you do one

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Speaker 8: thousand times?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 8: What was the drill you was running that you was

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Speaker 8: throwing up?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean? What you do it the most?

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Speaker 8: And so turning my innate ability as a storyteller into

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Speaker 8: you know what I mean, technique into a skill where

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Speaker 8: I could always use it and pull it out like

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Speaker 8: Kareem's hook shot. For me, I ain't trying to I'm

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Speaker 8: getting older, like I'm I'm I'm at of age. I

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Speaker 8: remember when I first came in and the MC's had

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Speaker 8: made it to my age. When I first came in

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Speaker 8: the game, they wasn't even my age now, So you

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Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, It's like now you really better

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Speaker 8: have some skills because you ain't Finna. It's a new flow.

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Speaker 8: Some young nigga got a new flow. His flow, the

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Speaker 8: brand newest thing. Like look, boss Man Dilo, his flow

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Speaker 8: crazy they losing it.

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Speaker 4: That's like dribbling.

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Speaker 7: It's naturally feel me.

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Speaker 4: He got the new slang you feel me.

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Speaker 3: He got that, ud yo. Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 3: So when you say when you first came in the game,

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Speaker 3: you looking back now when you say your first stuff

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Speaker 3: you did was trash, yeah, I.

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Speaker 8: Mean okay no, So White Lightning no, only that's because

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Speaker 8: DJ g l E Right, Gary Guido, who was working

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Speaker 8: with Rhythm D produced it, though, so like white was

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Speaker 8: produced by somebody time putting ten twelve, fifteen years into

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Speaker 8: the game.

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Speaker 4: Just like you.

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Speaker 8: He was DJAIL when he was younger feel me like.

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Speaker 8: He from that that era of dudes, born in sixty

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Speaker 8: sixty seventy two. So he here you know hip hop,

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Speaker 8: he knew more and then he had success. He had

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Speaker 8: mixed the Diddy record, you know, the paper Boy song.

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Speaker 8: He worked on songs from Rhythm D. So him producing

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Speaker 8: White Lighting White Lightning was dope. But everything I did.

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Speaker 8: He moved to Atlanta and I got I was on

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Speaker 8: my own. All that shit is whack.

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Speaker 4: You said, all of us, all of us.

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Speaker 8: So whatever I did on my own is whack like

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Speaker 8: until I got with Tump, until I got with Manny Fresh,

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Speaker 8: the Stones. You remember the original Beach Cruiser and the

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Speaker 8: stuff I did with Mike City. You know when I

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Speaker 8: was being produced. Certified obviously was top sixty on the charts.

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Speaker 8: Right Certified was top sixty on the charts.

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