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Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana.

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Speaker 2: This is Cowl's Week in Review with Ryan cow Callahan.

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Speaker 2: Here's Cal. Hello, everybody, hell herring.

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Speaker 3: I'm at Rendezvous back Country Hunters and Anglers Rendezvous in Missoula, Montana,

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Speaker 3: June fifteenth, and I am with Ryan Callahan.

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Speaker 2: I told him I was going to say he was

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Speaker 2: a man who needs no reintroduction. He's not like a wolf.

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Speaker 2: I've been reintroduced. He's been reintroduced to his natural habitat.

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Speaker 2: I like the idea of that. And what location Where

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Speaker 2: would they put you? Yeah? I think they put me

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Speaker 2: somewhere like like down on the Tongue River. Oh thereat season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he goes you breeding by nightfall, and then

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Speaker 3: we may have to put some controls on him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stealing and breeding. Yeah kidding, we'll.

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Speaker 2: Running run a trap line.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, man, uh so, I guess everybody knows who

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Speaker 3: you are. Introduce yourself, yeah, Ryan Callahan, Cal, uh boy,

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Speaker 3: I've been being I've been around back country hunters and

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Speaker 3: anglers for.

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Speaker 2: A long time.

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Speaker 1: And I am the director of conservation over at Meat

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Speaker 1: Eater host Cal's Week in Review podcast, and that director

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Speaker 1: of Conservation title allows me to spend a bunch of

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Speaker 1: time on b h A work as the North American

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Speaker 1: board chair of these days, and work with a lot

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Speaker 1: of other conservation groups out there, you know, working on

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Speaker 1: on the habitat issues and the access issues and the

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Speaker 1: hunting rights issues and seeing where we can help out

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Speaker 1: from the kind of meat eater awareness megaphone and try

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Speaker 1: to find some some funding and do some fundraising and

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Speaker 1: you know, just see see where we can help from

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Speaker 1: a from a for profit business side of things.

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Speaker 2: And right now I don't.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was smart, like a few months ago

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Speaker 1: when I kind of like really formally integrated my nonprofit

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Speaker 1: working with my paycheck work. And now I'm like, boy,

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Speaker 1: that's not that smart, because this ship never ends.

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Speaker 3: How right, Well, my first question to you is, Cow,

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Speaker 3: what the heck are we gonna do? I was, and

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Speaker 3: I just remember so long ago I was doing some

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Speaker 3: lands with wilderness characteristic stuff out eastern Montana and I

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Speaker 3: ran into you.

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Speaker 2: Were you already working at First Light? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you knew exactly what I was talking about

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Speaker 3: when you and I I'm not gonna name.

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Speaker 2: It, but chunks of BLM.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And and I was all of a sudden, like

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Speaker 3: I got this whole insight as to where this place was.

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Speaker 3: I had been there, camped out for a few days,

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Speaker 3: and I came back. We were in great Falls at

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Speaker 3: the Sipping Dick. That's right, right, Yeah, And I mentioned

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Speaker 3: this to you, and you go, well, you go there,

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Speaker 3: so and so, and this is who owns the land

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Speaker 3: contiguous to it, remember that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, I was highly impressed you had done some

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Speaker 3: mule deer guiding or something there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, antalope and and then just yeah, running the bird

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Speaker 1: dog and back in those times and earlier, obviously that

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Speaker 1: was just a wild place. Like it was big high

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Speaker 1: prairie yep. And you know, nobody had a real reason

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Speaker 1: to go up there.

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Speaker 3: And that was true even when I was doing that.

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Speaker 3: It was twelve maybe twenty twelve, because it was.

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Speaker 1: Just cattle country and it was full chock full antelope

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Speaker 3: And yeah, and that was so it might have been

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Speaker 2: They went down. Then they came way back up later.

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Speaker 2: I mean it crazied.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know the winner of twenty eleven Up

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Speaker 3: there was really wild.

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Speaker 1: It was also like drought times and yeah, yeah, b

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Speaker 1: and and so yeah, I mean it took a certain

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Speaker 1: type of person to see the beauty in it, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, right, but it has a it's a real sage

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Speaker 3: bunch of grass ecosystem. Though.

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Speaker 2: You get up on some of those buttes.

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Speaker 3: When there is a little water in the ground and

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Speaker 1: But yeah, back back in those days, you know, you

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Speaker 1: how to do that, right, And so they're just here.

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Speaker 3: Right, there's some of those, and then they're working through

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Speaker 3: the tough time, that's right, you know. Then I met

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Speaker 3: and had come back and they're never leaving again.

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Speaker 2: That was further south though, like like down in the breaks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people raising their families, like in the one of

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Speaker 3: the freest places in the world, but you got to

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Speaker 3: pay because there's eight cows to a section and exactly yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then what did it make money one one out

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Speaker 3: of five years and the other before you got to carry.

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Speaker 1: And that right there is one of the conversations I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, people are like, is two million acres a lot?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, let's go to that right now.

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Speaker 3: So so this is this is you and I both

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Speaker 3: are well versed in this topic. But you you have

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Speaker 3: been front and center in this, like you tell me,

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Speaker 3: driving around with the radio off thinking about it, right,

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Speaker 3: And so there is there is a belief somehow amongst

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Speaker 3: these people who are not directly connected to this, that

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Speaker 3: there's this treasure trove of real estate just waiting to

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Speaker 3: be unlocked by the likes of Mike Lee or Ken Ivory,

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Speaker 3: who once said that American public lands, the privatization of

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Speaker 3: American public lands was like having your hands on the

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Speaker 3: lever of a new Louis Louisiana purchase.

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Speaker 2: In other words, he was he was ready to take it.

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Speaker 3: He didn't he didn't want to go to war with anybody,

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Speaker 3: which we did and paid in blood and treasure and whatever,

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Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars in gold. He's not done by that,

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Speaker 3: he was, meaning he's gonna pull the lever and it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be him and his friends taking it from us.

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Speaker 3: That always blew my mind because when he when he

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Speaker 3: was like, well, we went to war as a nation,

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Speaker 3: like like they assaulted the palace at Chapultepec in Mexico City.

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Speaker 2: For that, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean there was terrible, terrible attrition of both of

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Speaker 2: That Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Yes, and here's a guy

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Speaker 2: saying that he's just gonna take it. I was just

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Speaker 2: I've never gotten over that anyway, continue with you. We

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Speaker 2: take it because it's not doing anything. Yes, it's not

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Speaker 2: doing anything. It's just it's just uh Escalante.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's it's just you know the sagebrush sea where

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Speaker 3: everybody antelope punts and small ranchers make their living.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and folks like that looking out there and say,

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Speaker 1: these jackasses don't know how to make money.

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Speaker 2: Off of this. Right, I'll show you again. The land's

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Speaker 2: not doing anything, right, you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But to kind of go back to what you said, right,

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Speaker 1: it's like takes eight sections per colclf pair. That's something

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Speaker 1: that maybe by design people do not understand, right, what

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Speaker 1: they know is their backyard, and how do we elevate

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Speaker 1: these things to backyard issues? But you know, an acre

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Speaker 1: in Florida, you can raise a hell of a lot

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Speaker 3: Coleman County, Alabama is probably two a u ms for acre.

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Speaker 2: If you own a good year, right.

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's a high density, high return.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: The Shenandoah Valley right, the west can be like that

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Speaker 1: here and there, very very small areas.

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Speaker 2: In good years.

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Speaker 1: But by and large, it takes a lot of space

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Speaker 2: In most years you can't.

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Speaker 1: In most years you can't. And that's why we have

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Speaker 1: biological diversity.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like certain things hung out. The white tailed deer

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Speaker 1: right there. The American buffalo not the same, nope, Right,

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Speaker 1: And the American buffalo wasn't you know, thriving in fringe

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So when people are like, Okay, how do I contextualize

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Speaker 1: this sale?

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Speaker 2: Like what does it mean? Right? And let's tell what

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Speaker 3: So Senator Mike Lee has shoehorned a is it a rider?

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Speaker 2: It's not. I mean, it's just the language that is

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Speaker 2: in in the big beautiful bit budget bill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, he's the chair of the Senate

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Speaker 1: UH Natural Resources and Energy Committee, and he's this inenerger

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Speaker 1: The way these things come together is everybody breaks off

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Speaker 1: and all of those portions written in committee come together

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Speaker 1: to create the final bill. And lo and behold, here

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Speaker 1: comes the Senate Energy and Natural Resources committees language. And

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Speaker 1: there is a mandated with a timestamp five years mandated

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Speaker 1: UH sale of both US Forest Service and BLM land

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Speaker 1: I think in eleven states, Montana magically being excluded.

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Speaker 2: We can talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Later, which also is a red flag as as to

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Speaker 3: the integrity of this plan.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yep, because it almost says, well, it's not

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Speaker 1: that necessary.

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Speaker 2: It does, and it also says I want some support.

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Speaker 3: And there's two people here who could lose support if

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Speaker 3: we force it into Montana because Montanas don't want to

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Speaker 3: give up any public land.

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Speaker 2: We already we've got We're doing good. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It is and you know where we're at. We are

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Speaker 1: front and center. And I'm not excluding other Western states

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Speaker 1: you see this too, but we are front and center

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Speaker 1: with we see year round now, not seasonally. We see

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Speaker 1: public land, yep. And they're not just coming from Utah, right,

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Speaker 1: A lot of them come from Utah, but they're coming

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Speaker 1: from every other state and multiple countries in this world.

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Speaker 1: And they're they're flying here, they're driving here, they're renting houses,

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Speaker 1: they're they're camping, and they are coming here for access

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Speaker 1: to public land.

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Speaker 2: They're coming here for freedom. I mean, that's that's public

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Speaker 2: freedom is.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a weird thing because we've been living it,

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Speaker 1: I know, for a long time and taking it for

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Speaker 1: granted for a long time, right to a degree. Right,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I can't say I'm growing up, but

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Speaker 1: it's taking me a while to get to where I

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Speaker 2: The scales have fallen from our eyes. I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of this in.

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Speaker 3: Biblical terms, you know, because the the you know, the

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Speaker 3: Bible is such chronicle like like human conflict as well

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Speaker 3: as as the beautiful like sermon on the mountain stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I think of it.

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Speaker 3: As like people prostrate on the ultar of Mammon, where

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Speaker 2: So they left it unclaimed.

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Speaker 2: So we passed the nineteen oh nine, which gave away.

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Speaker 1: Right, And nine percent of those homesteads, Uh, World War

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Speaker 1: Well, it's in incredibly short sighted, incredibly And the return

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Speaker 1: In the Path of Least Resistance, man, like people want

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Speaker 3: That right, exactly, you're going in the hole doing the

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Speaker 2: That's it, right, that's it.

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Speaker 3: And like ran Randy Newberg says, and I repeat this

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't work. It just doesn't work. No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: But and this apathy. I think we were doing a

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Speaker 2: Right it does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right. That's the whole contract. And

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Speaker 2: It takes time. It's it's a job, which means it's hard.

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Speaker 3: And like you were saying, it's just not that much fun.

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Speaker 3: But the but the basic practice of citizenry is showing

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Speaker 2: Now, no you can't.

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Speaker 3: I voted for you, but I didn't vote for you

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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. And then you got to

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Speaker 1: Well meaning not well meaning, like they put a proposal

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Speaker 1: I said, if you're concerned about Iowa issues, the whole

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Speaker 1: great state. The farm Bill, that piece of legislation, which

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Speaker 1: is federal legislation, has a giant.

442
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Speaker 2: Impact on Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Right, So if you want Iowa to be healthy, you

444
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: need people to give a shit about the farm bill,

445
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: not just in Iowa, but in all fifty states. I yes,

446
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: that's the federal government for sure, But for God's sakes,

447
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: can we remember that it's a government of the people.

448
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: We the people like we are the federal government. And

449
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: this is a frustrating thing to me, right because people

450
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: want that degree of separation. If we can create that

451
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Speaker 1: degree of separation, that means I don't have to do

452
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: shit my ass and point fingers. Right, but let's take

453
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: some ownership back here and say, nope, we are the government, right, We're.

454
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: Not somebody else is, buddy, exactly.

455
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: Exactly, And and and we enjoy a lot of the

456
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Speaker 1: things that this government provides. We may enjoy cutting them

457
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Speaker 1: down and knocking them down verbally as often as we want.

458
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Speaker 2: It's fun. I've done it myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, but you know we we are we are

460
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: the government, right, So we're and we're citizens of this government,

461
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: and we are not subjects.

462
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Speaker 2: We are not subjects.

463
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Speaker 1: But buddy, if you want to be a subject, I

464
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Speaker 1: bet there's some people that would make that happen because

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's an easier path, right, get in line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from freedom into what's that? You probably don't rate this.

467
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Speaker 2: I'm older than you.

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Speaker 3: But Jerry Spence, the attorney in Wyoming, he wrote a

469
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 3: great book called from Freedom into Slavery or Freedom into

470
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Speaker 3: serf Them, and it's just a great it's just a

471
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Speaker 3: really fun book to read. He's he's like a brilliant

472
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: sort of he's a lawyer. You know, he's not Antigo,

473
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 3: but he's he's Jerry Spence.

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Speaker 2: Look it up. It's great, great book to the.

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Speaker 1: Gentleman in Iowa. Yeah right, It's like you may not

476
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Speaker 1: use it, should it matter to you that you know

477
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: millions of people do, of your fellow Americans, of your

478
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: fellow Americans. And it's like I will never visit your house.

479
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: I will likely never drive by your house. I don't

480
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: derive any benefit that I can feel from the fact

481
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Speaker 1: that you have a house, or a lawn or a car.

482
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm not ever going to tell somebody to take that

483
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: away from you.

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00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: Right. In fact, if.

485
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Speaker 1: It comes a time where it's like, oh my god,

486
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: the federal government's trying to steal this guy's house, I'm

487
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: gonna write in and be like, what the heck's going on.

488
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna help you out, even if I don't know you, right, yeah.

489
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: Right, Because if they can take that, they can take

490
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: my house, that's right. And if they can take these

491
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: acres today, what are they gonna take tomorrow? And again,

492
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: we're not going to see the benefit of this sale.

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Speaker 2: Right, So okay, that believes am not the next question?

494
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: So the federal government, I'm gonna be the devil's advocate

495
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: the federal government.

496
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: The country is broke, we are so in debt.

497
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Speaker 3: We cannot even manage our own We don't can't afford

498
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: to manage natural resources anymore.

499
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: We can't afford this land cal and say, well, that's

500
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: not true. This land does pay for itself. On top

501
00:28:54,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: of that, every person who visits this land pays into

502
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: communities all along the way. Plus they paid taxes for

503
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: the management of it.

504
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: Plus they pay taxes for the management of it. Like,

505
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: if you don't think you're doing a good job, let's

506
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: find some ways to improve, right, Yeah, Like but this,

507
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times over do you think this

508
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: stuff has paid out for the American.

509
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: People over the years.

510
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: Right, It's like that if you have stocks and a

511
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: dividend kicks out, Like that's what's happening. Like, and these

512
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: lands have paid over and over and over again. I

513
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: just did this West Virginia Turkey hunt with the West

514
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: Virginia Chapter BHA. Right, and you're in the New River

515
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Gorge floating in that stuff. Oh, unbelievable and incredible for us. Right,

516
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: and every square inch of that place has just been

517
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: strip mined, like it was denuded of all vegetation other

518
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: than what folks could kind of scratch out and try

519
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: to plant to feed themselves, right, yeah, and you know

520
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: it's a gorgeous forest. I'm sure it's not exactly where

521
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: it needs to be, but we're hiking it, we're picking ramps,

522
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: we're trying to kill turkeys, looking at buck tracks, thinking, boy,

523
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: I got to come back here next to your type

524
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: of thing and having a hell of an adventure. Right,

525
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: And that land is still producing for us. It is

526
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: still producing for us.

527
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: Plus it's protecting the headwaters the New River or the

528
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: New Yes, yeah, yeah, now it is yeah, all down

529
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: in North Carolina, right right, And they look at that,

530
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: like they look at the White Mountains National Forest that

531
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: was so denuded of all timber that some of that

532
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: legacy settlement is down in those rivers today they couldn't

533
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: even navigate the rivers so much dirt came off of

534
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: those after they logged it and left at bye now

535
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: with scorched earth, right, they logged, lugged it and left,

536
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: But that became White Mountain, White Mountain National Forest, which

537
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: which the Piska same Pisca natural forest, same Anongo Halo,

538
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: same Allegany.

539
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: Same and nobody's out there right now being like this

540
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: place is worthless.

541
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: Right, Well, if they sail off this two to three million. Yeah,

542
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: you can't tell me that the Daniel Boone and the

543
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: Mark Quain National Forests like in Missouri sitting back.

544
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: Can you believe the condos? Yeah? Can you? Why are

545
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: we just letting its sit there? Yeah?

546
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: I can have the suite of vrbos out there, so

547
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I do think it's important to talk

548
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: about like the characteristics of the land sales right now,

549
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: because the language is very precise and very broad. So

550
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: only lands adjacent to existing infrastructure may be considered. And

551
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: then you get down to point number seven, bullet point

552
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: number seven, and it's lands that are deemed too far

553
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: away and too expensive to manage may be considered.

554
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: Right, that's all of them, right in between the nearest

555
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: and the furthest right. That's kind of right. That's kind

556
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: of everything.

557
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: And then you know, like we' one of the biggest

558
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: heroes we have walking around b h A rendezvous, Right

559
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: is Eric Hanson, a guy motivated enough to use his

560
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: skills to write two amicus briefs for the Corner Crossing

561
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: Case Wyoming Corner Crossing Case. He spends his personal time

562
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: researching his law firms behind him in San Francisco, for

563
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: God's sakes, right, and this Iron Bar Holdings is has

564
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: got an extension to file and take the corner crossing

565
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: case to the Supreme Court of the United States, the

566
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: highest law in the land.

567
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: Right.

568
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: Well, guess what like if this is voted on and

569
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: goes through, all Iron Bar Holdings will be enabled to

570
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: purchase all of their checkerboard land. Now, if you and

571
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: I are interested in buy in federal land, the way

572
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: it's written in this, we're limited to one one sale

573
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: as an individual. But if you happen to be a

574
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: landowner within the checkerboard, you have unlimited purchasing option.

575
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: Right.

576
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: So does that sound like an opportunity for the citizens

577
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: of the United States?

578
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: No?

579
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Or does that sound like opportunities for individuals who quite

580
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: possibly are already known right and.

581
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 2: Here holding an awful lot of land already? Yes? Yeah, yeah,

582
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: So again, like you want to talk about this, we

583
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: have a mechanism to talk about it.

584
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: Let's do talk about this, because we both know you're

585
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: you right in right to the first of our conversation.

586
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: Federal and here we are in the weeds. Everybody nobody

587
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: wants to go there, but that's where the that's the

588
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: devil's in.

589
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: The details, yeah, and the reality is in the weeds.

590
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 3: And one of the realities is the Federal Land Land

591
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: Policy in Management Act of nineteen seventy six.

592
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: Which is that word flipm that people talk about.

593
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: And then the Southern Nevada Land Public Land Management Act

594
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety eight.

595
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: Both of these.

596
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: Are mechanisms for selling, divesting, or trading public federally managed

597
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: public lands to two communities that need.

598
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: Expansion or infrastructure the MECAN.

599
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: The Congress passed them both, which means it is a

600
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: voter approved yes.

601
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: And somehow Senator Lee has decided to shoehorn in a

602
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: very strange thing that that because they don't want to

603
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: use these mechanisms.

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00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: Can you talk about that? Yeah? So yeah, so talk

605
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: about leading up a question.

606
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but budget reconciliation where we're at now in the Senate,

607
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: So it's it's past the House. We there was land

608
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: sale language in the House. We got that removed. Big

609
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: community effort. But you know, I think in three days

610
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: the BHA community got in fourteen thousand phone calls. Yep,

611
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: in three days. I did it to moves. The neo man,

612
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: it moves, and they keep it up friends and neighbors,

613
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: and we should talk about some strategy there too. And

614
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: then so now it's it's in the Senate, like we

615
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: talked about committee language. You got submitted last minute submission

616
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: in that committee. Holy shit, I mean, this guy can't

617
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: leave it alone. Nor could be upwards of three million

618
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: acres depending on on how those percentages are exercised in

619
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: the language. As I like to say, don't believe me.

620
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: You can look this stuff up. Go to the Federal

621
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Register dot g ov.

622
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: You can. You can search for it.

623
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: It's there, out of the mouth mouths of our elected

624
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: It's it's right there.

625
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: It's source material in it, you know. So the.

626
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: In the reconciliation process, it also takes a smaller amount

627
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: of votes, I think, because you know, it's kind of

628
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: like one party has the majority.

629
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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And anything done through this process goes directly to the Treasury,

631
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: So it circumvents the FLIPMA and the Southern Neva.

632
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so dig this.

633
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: That means that that those two laws were passed so

634
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: that the American taxpayers get fair value for the lands

635
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: that are sold that are needed by communities for or infrastructure.

636
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 2: That's right.

637
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: And then and also just don't sit in page document.

638
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: FLIPMA is a four page document.

639
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: Yep, you can read it. Yeah, I mean yeah, you

640
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: can't like most of this stuff.

641
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: If you want to know, there's not a lot of

642
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: excuse not to know these days, right, that's great. So yeah,

643
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: so the fair value thing is super important. It It

644
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: literally is a document that says, survey the land, so

645
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: we know what we're giving up, right, So so the

646
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: American people, that's the we know what what that land

647
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: sale entails, what we're giving up, and what we're going

648
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: to get in return, right, so that community.

649
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: An often used example would be like a water.

650
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: Plant, right, like water you know, wastewater management facility that that.

651
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: Gets used a lot.

652
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: I've seen going through the federal register, like some land

653
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: sales that were like a chunk of BLM inside the

654
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: municipal airport. You know, it's like, yeah, we the people

655
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: don't need to own that chunk at this point, right.

656
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: But you it just as if you did own it

657
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: as a as a as an individual private citizen. You

658
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: need to know where it is and how much money

659
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: you're going to get for.

660
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: It exactly exactly.

661
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: And then the back end of this is once that

662
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: sale goes through the revenue generated from that sale then

663
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: gets put in a separate bucket that is used to

664
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: find a land of greater I think strategic value.

665
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: So that could be.

666
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: If we gave up some mental resources, well we got

667
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: a chunk that's got better mineral resources. But often I

668
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: think it's more like ecological value.

669
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: It could be ecologically or could be access like on

670
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: the river or access.

671
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

672
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: And so I mean we this this thing we're talking

673
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: about circumvents that process.

674
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the voter approoved process.

675
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and I would I would, I'd refer some

676
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: folks to google up like the Nevada up state land sales,

677
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: which they sailed so all of the federally granted lands

678
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: upon statehood.

679
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got there down had some real guardrails around it.

680
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they are down to abound three thousand acres

681
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: left over. And that was called like an or of corruption.

682
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: And this is this is the precedent we have. It

683
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: is and you know it's like back then, not all

684
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: that long ago. Like the need was affordable housing, right,

685
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: everybody knows, like affordable to who is a great question.

686
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: I know.

687
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: The last round in the bat of sales, they used

688
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: the word accessible housing. But it's the same accessible.

689
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: To who that was under the nineteen ninety eight yes, yeah.

690
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: Right right, And like you pointed out earlier, like this

691
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: land wasn't valuable enough for people to immediately seize upon it.

692
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: It would have been offered under all the Homestead Acts.

693
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you could have occupied it in

694
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: nineteen oh nine, it would long be gone up to

695
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six actually, And so I mean what we're

696
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: talking about. Remember I told you that radio show I

697
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 3: was listening to, and a gal from some kind of

698
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: order management I don't know who these were.

699
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: They were.

700
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: They were complaining about federal land hemming in Las Vegas.

701
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 3: And and it wasn't because you could you could buy

702
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 3: and sell it, right, But she just said, well, we've

703
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 3: never had the water to supply the kind of sprawl

704
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: that you might have in Washington, d C. Or Boston. Right,

705
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 3: you don't have it. There's I don't know if the

706
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: lake mead, you're not getting anymore. And so to encourage

707
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: sprawl in Saint George, Utah, is to indulge in. It

708
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: might work, somebody would make some money, but you're also

709
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: indulging in a little bit of magical thinking about the

710
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: availability of water and other infrastructure that yeah, I mean,

711
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: mean what happens I don't, I don't.

712
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: We can't go and listen whether that happens those sales

713
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: happen under under flip my right or in this big

714
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: beautiful bill right, Like don't you think the American people

715
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: should hold people accountable and say, okay, you're going to

716
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: fix affordable housing, the affordable housing crisis in America, Like,

717
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: let's let's not you know, pay attention to the fact

718
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: that out of the last six tracks that were sold

719
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: under the Biden administration, those tracks never got a bid.

720
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: But there's a crisis, which you would think crisis means demand,

721
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: like that stuff would have got snapped up right away.

722
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

723
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: Again, Federal Register dot gov got you, right. So, but

724
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: it's also like implies that there's like this uniformity to

725
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: the land, which we touched on earlier, like how many

726
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: calcav paars can you run on an acre?

727
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 3: Right?

728
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, there's a wide variability there. So under Lee's situation,

729
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: he's just saying, this is the time we got to

730
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: get this out the door. If we can't sell land

731
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: right now in this moment, well, I'm never going to

732
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: be able to do it. I got to realize my dream.

733
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: And so.

734
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: It's there's these pieces that I think a lot of

735
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: people would be like, yeah, I'd rather not have another

736
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: house there, or a strip mall or.

737
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: Whatever they're or one hundred trailers on dust, yeah, with

738
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: no water.

739
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: But I can see how we could let this chunk go, right.

740
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: But there's all these other chunks that are you know,

741
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: they're the front country. They're the places where we're stuck

742
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: here in Missoula.

743
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: It's Friday.

744
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: We got to get the hell out of here for

745
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: a little bit before we return to our responsibilities. And

746
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: we zip out and there's probably some other folks out

747
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: there and they're running their dogs, but I got to

748
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 1: get my bird dogs exercise. Or uh, it's that chunk

749
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: of blm where it's not the place that I'm gonna

750
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: go hike on the weekend, but I can darn sure

751
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: rip out here, set up some paper sight in my

752
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: rifle and be ready for the weekend. It's these accessible

753
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: places and sometimes that sam chunk has a covey of

754
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: hons on there, Like those are the places, right, And

755
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: if you're a turkey hunter, you don't need a lot

756
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: of acreage. If you're an antelope hunter, you need a

757
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: lot of anchorage. If you are a white tail hunter,

758
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: you don't need a lot of acreage. But these are

759
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: these accessible places that you know, the weekend warrior where

760
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: it's like, I got all my checklists done, all my

761
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: responsibilities done on Saturday.

762
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 2: It took all day.

763
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: I got someday to hunt fish clear my head, Like,

764
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: that's probably the place that you're using, right, So this.

765
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: Is it's also the place that gave us the feeling

766
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 3: that America has. Like I've heard this so many times

767
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 3: from people who come here from foreign countries and stuff,

768
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: the space and the and the the life, like the

769
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: like the space.

770
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 2: The freedom. Yep.

771
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's just really I have a good friend

772
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: who worked all over the world is construction, International construction,

773
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: and uh, he's he lives in our town and he

774
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 3: just said, man, you can hike in Estonia. He worked

775
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: in hat too, which really really crowded, you know, and

776
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: and he was like, there's just nothing like this anywhere

777
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: else in the world. And he's like super hardcore public

778
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 3: lands advocate. He's retired, and he just said, it's just

779
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: it doesn't exist. Sorry, you can't. You can't if you

780
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 3: give it away and make it like everywhere else. You know, Yeah,

781
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that, not on my watch.

782
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: And on my watch man, no, And and I mean

783
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: you just gotta you gotta keep trying. And we do

784
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: need to get into like the proper advocacy, So we should.

785
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: Get into that now and while we still got some time.

786
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 3: But the last thing before we go there is just you.

787
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: You've really built You've really made a line in the

788
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: sand here, like you've been. You've been front and center

789
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 3: in this thing for the last three months or something.

790
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: I mean you've been in for ever known you, but

791
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: three months, I mean you have been the man in

792
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: here doing this.

793
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: You believe in.

794
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: It, if that's what you want to call it. Sure,

795
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's got to be said. And we got

796
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: to get other people aware that this is happening, like

797
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: they they right, Like it is a small group of

798
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: people who have their own ideals and they are willing

799
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: to take as much as we're willing to give, right

800
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: And if you're not speaking, you are willingly giving this

801
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: stuff away. So yeah, the calling showing up in person

802
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: and everybody's got the ability to do this call email,

803
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: show up in person.

804
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: Call email, show up in person. Who. Well, where I'm

805
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: letting you do.

806
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: Ten times what I've got in here, Senators and and

807
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: and congress people, your representatives, and then you can reach

808
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: out to members of these committees and and right now,

809
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: you know Steve Daines here in Montana, You've got to

810
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: call that office. And if you call the first time,

811
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: say hey, this is where I'm from. I love public lands.

812
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: Please stand up to Mike Lee and tell him not

813
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: to sell this stuff.

814
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

815
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: And do we tell him not to take it out

816
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 3: of the big beautiful bill.

817
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: That's the thing is, tell tell him to this stuff

818
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: is not for sale under reconciliation. And let's start there, right,

819
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: Let's get it out of the budget process. No public

820
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: lands in the budget process.

821
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: There you go. We can have the discussion. I can

822
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: understand that. By the way. That's that's okay. So let's

823
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: say it again. Yeah.

824
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: Hey, my name is Ryan Callahan. I'm from Bozeman, Montana.

825
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: I hate saying I'm from Bozeman, Montana, but I live

826
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: in Bozman, Montana, and you're my representative or my senator

827
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: in this case. I love public lands.

828
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: That's all. I do.

829
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: Uh, It's why I'm here, That's why I pay my

830
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: taxes here. You cannot allow public lands to be included

831
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: in the budget process. No public land sales in the

832
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: budget process. Thank you very much. Okay, I call again,

833
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: say it and and this is good stuff for people listening.

834
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: Get people's names, these staffers that are answering the phone,

835
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: you can wake them up, but be like, oh, Jason,

836
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: I talked to you yesterday. This is Ryan Callahan. I

837
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: just wanted to call back and make sure that my

838
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: message was heard. This is who I am, this is

839
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: where I'm from. This is how much public lands mean

840
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: to me. I appreciate the Senator's stance on this, but

841
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: right now it's not enough. I need his leadership. Please

842
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: ask him to contact Senator Crapo, Senator Rish and Idaho

843
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: Senator Thune in South Dakota and make sure that they

844
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: know how much public lands mean to me and they

845
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: cannot be included in the budget reconciliation process. No public

846
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: land sales in the budget process.

847
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that's very clear, right.

848
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: I can act on that and get those names and

849
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: have that repertoire and get people not just reporting what

850
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: you're saying but advocating for you. And if they're they're like, well, god,

851
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: this guy took the time to just know my name,

852
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: and they're being polite, and they're obviously passionate about this

853
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: that I mean, they're people like it makes an impact

854
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: and they get it over and over and over again,

855
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: and this is like the simplest thing you can do.

856
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: And then you know, identify these groups that are doing

857
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: the work as well. I think b h A Congressional

858
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: Sportsman's Foundation, National Wildlife Federation is doing a great job.

859
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: Right now, we're seeing some good movement. I think p

860
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: f q F has done a great job. And you

861
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: know they're not they're not.

862
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: A Chris Wood had a great, great, very short concise piece,

863
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 3: let's let's not do this.

864
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing that up. Is doing a great job. Well,

865
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: just sign message. I was just looking at it just

866
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: to just today.

867
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and you know, sign on to those letters

868
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: if you can throw some cash to the organizations that

869
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: you think are doing this this right because that's going

870
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: to enable those organizations to get the messages to the

871
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: people that need to read this stuff. And you know,

872
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: there's strength in numbers, is what I would say. Right So,

873
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: when BHA can say, hey, our membership has grown from

874
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: thirty thousand to fifty thousand because of your stance on

875
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: public land sales. We have fifty thousand people that are

876
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: aligned and signed on to this message. And they come

877
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: from these states and these counties. Like people pay attention

878
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: to that stuff, right, So it does matter. And like

879
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: we said earlier, it's your job. So it's not necessarily

880
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: going to be fun every day, but it's just what

881
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: you gotta do. You got to punch the time clock

882
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: on this one.

883
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: So well, it's a participatory democratic republic and that means

884
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: you've got to participate.

885
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: You have the.

886
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 3: Option, yeah, right, right, which is wonderful, right, Like, like

887
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: if this was going on in some other country like Mexico,

888
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: it would just be sold off. Yeah, I mean, I mean,

889
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: and there's not I like Mexico, right, but that anybody

890
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: would say that the federal government of Mexico is not

891
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: particularly effective, not really representative of some of the folks

892
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 3: out in the country.

893
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: And I don't want to.

894
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 3: See that here, No, man, I don't want to see

895
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: this is this is not this ain't right, you know.

896
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: I was talking with our Armed Forces initiative this morning.

897
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: The and we have a meet up here at bh

898
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: A now. And man, if you think you and I

899
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: care about these places, right, I mean there's there's guys

900
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: involved there who are like, h this is literally life

901
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: threatening right, like the way like because of the trauma,

902
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: uh that we've experienced. This is where we have the

903
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: solace and the mental space and like you don't understand,

904
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: like if it goes away for you, it might be

905
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: a little bit different than than me, right right, yep,

906
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: So yeah.

907
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: I just.

908
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And those guys have been incredible voices. I mean,

909
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 3: I just that's one of my, uh, one of b

910
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: h a's great successes is the Armed Forces Initiative. I

911
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: went on that trip with Trevor Hubbs when he was

912
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 3: starting out or working in.

913
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: That, and uh I did. It's just it's one of

914
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: our one of the great strengths here absolutely, you know.

915
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: And it's uh.

916
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: That AFI program literally grew because we were welcoming and

917
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: gave people the space and.

918
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: Had a place to take everybody, you know, like come home, man,

919
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: come on, let's don't do this.

920
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: I thought. So I keep I keep coming.

921
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: Back to that, like let's look and you and I

922
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: were talking about social contract you know earlier, and you

923
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: could you can hate that if you want to say

924
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 3: that's academic and all that stuff. But part of my

925
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: contract with with my country is that I have these

926
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: public lands and and so it's what Teddy Roosevelt said.

927
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: He said, it has to work on some level for

928
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 3: all of us in order for it to work on

929
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 3: any level for.

930
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: Any of us.

931
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 3: And that was like the basis of what was he

932
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 3: the Square deal or was that fdr.

933
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: No, Teddy was he was the Square Yeah?

934
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Square deal was that we don't you

935
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: don't take our lands.

936
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 2: That we we enjoy, that.

937
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: Protect our watersheds, that that have wildlife that we get

938
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: to hunt and get to shoot. I mean, shooting has

939
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: been such a huge part of my life and I

940
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 3: don't have any place to go except public lands. And

941
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 3: that's been true to itself. Was nine nine years old,

942
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 3: and I, you know, we would try to We finally lived.

943
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 3: We lived out in the country, so I had a

944
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 3: place to shoot. Other people didn't. And I was at

945
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 3: the Uchi Shooting Range on the Tuskie National Forest last winter,

946
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: winter before last, and that's like the only place to

947
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: have to shoot, like for Auburn, I mean, you.

948
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, well, I mean that's not just true for you, right,

949
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: Like the National Shooting Sports Foundation. I keep meaning to

950
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: reach back out to them because they had such good

951
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: data on recreational shooting YEP and its ties to public lands,

952
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: and they could extrapolate that and say, Okay, public lands

953
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: go away, We're going to see a reduction in firearm ownership.

954
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: You have to in the United States.

955
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: You would definitely have to let alone the amount of

956
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: ammunition used and numbers of recreational shooters, you know, right,

957
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: So the shooting sports, the shooting sports, right, yeah, all of.

958
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 2: That, all of this ties in.

959
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get abstractor now, but all this ties into.

960
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 3: I remember I did a story at film stream about

961
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: when the military had the two Fat to Fight campaign

962
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 3: and that was when the it's particularly the basic trainers

963
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 3: like thing was a Marine Corps. First they said, well,

964
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: we can't we can't give you a soldier in in

965
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: basic training right now. We can't get them into shape,

966
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: into combats ready shape because they're coming from this sedentary lifestyle.

967
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: And I would I would extrapolate that to lack of

968
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: you know, I mean LWCF Landing Water Conservation Fund that

969
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 3: had swimming pools funded for great planes, little towns.

970
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: That was because they wanted kids to be strong so

971
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: you could you could actually defend the nation.

972
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: It was a huge part of this weird what you

973
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 3: would call holistic view of America and public lands, public parks,

974
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: ballparks where people could run right and get fit, be strong.

975
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of it.

976
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: All of it was a vision of America where it

977
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 3: was a social contract. The poorest people had the chance

978
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 3: to go climb a mountain and walk outside of town,

979
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: like out of Albuquerque or wherever, right on Blm Land

980
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: and become strong and fit. And and this is like,

981
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: this is a societal sanity, right, it's a social contract.

982
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: And I would I would, you know, I would indicate.

983
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: To look at what we've lost because people don't know

984
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: where their food comes from.

985
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: Yep. Abstraction. Yeah, degrees of separation.

986
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: Right, Like like we have hard, bizarre conversations these days

987
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: because you can't just start, you can't assume that somebody knows.

988
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: Right, You're like, okay, yeah, let's see. Let's see big cow.

989
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: Of reproductive size right falls in with the boycot we

990
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: call that a bull. And then right, it's like and

991
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: it's and there's people out there that steward these animals, right,

992
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: and believe it or not, they have to do this

993
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: year after year after year after year. So the land

994
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: that those animals occupy has to be healthy too in

995
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: order to do that. And so they have to figure

996
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: out the you know, and on and on and on,

997
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: and that's the foundation and that I needed to lay

998
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: it to tell you that these lands are valuable, right right,

999
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: It's like that's a long way.

1000
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 2: It's a long it's a long way.

1001
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 3: And and people in the west, well, one of the

1002
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: things in Montana, uh particular, understood people who hunt.

1003
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 2: They understood winter range pretty quick.

1004
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 3: And that's why we had like the Rocky Mountain Elk

1005
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: Foundation working on private lands easemus right, because we knew

1006
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: that the yelk lived in the mountains in the summer,

1007
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 3: but they couldn't live there in the winter.

1008
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: They had to go down.

1009
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 3: All the all the good stuff was homestead It is

1010
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: private whoever owns it now.

1011
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 2: All the good stuff was homestead, right.

1012
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: The stuff that we couldn't inhabit is what we left

1013
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 3: left in the public estate.

1014
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: That's public lands.

1015
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: And I had a guy from the east was telling

1016
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: me that he couldn't understand why what is it? Seventy

1017
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 3: percent of seventy three percent of Nevada was federal public land.

1018
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: And I said, have you ever been there? And he

1019
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: said he had been to Vegas And I said, well

1020
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: that if you take a drive from say, down where

1021
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: the Bundanes live gold. But it's a pretty ury, really

1022
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 3: interesting country. There's no water in there. Virgin River is

1023
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: like by the Bundy's place, and uh, really low and

1024
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: that's like mead, right, But anyway, there's no water, dude,

1025
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 3: That's why it's That's why people didn't take it over

1026
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: and like build like happy neighborhoods with little kids and

1027
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: playing tennis.

1028
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: Right, there's none. And wherever there is.

1029
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: Water, ever, you've been there a lot, right, So you

1030
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 3: got your on X map or your Avinza maps, and

1031
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: you'll look and there'll be a little green spot down

1032
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: there where like an arroyo comes down and it and

1033
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: it dumps into a place you can't get out of.

1034
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: And you'll look on your map. That's private.

1035
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: It was homesteaded and it is in the private domain

1036
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: because people knew if they control the water there, then

1037
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: you didn't need to own the sage brush. And what's

1038
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 3: now cheat grass.

1039
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: That's right. So that's right. So we gave.

1040
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: Away everything that you could use and we have this left.

1041
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, but that's that's the line. It is.

1042
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: I don't and also it's it's okay, it's good the

1043
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: way it is.

1044
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: This is the thing. When did we get this this message?

1045
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 3: All? So, I've been in Montown thirty five years and

1046
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: from the people have complained about federal land management from

1047
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 3: the moment I got to the bitter roots, I really

1048
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: do it wrong. And you do that, federal group, you

1049
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 3: can't do nothing right. And I'd go up in the

1050
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 3: bitter roots and get a get a bull which I did.

1051
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 3: It was it was thirty three percent for me, and

1052
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: I'd like, what, I think they're doing pretty good?

1053
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: Right right, you're like the experience that I personally just have, yes,

1054
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: and and all of my firewood.

1055
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 3: And I went down to uh, the fores service guy,

1056
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: I want to say his name, he's gone. Now got

1057
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 3: a posting polesale because I needed to build some fence boom.

1058
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.

1059
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: I went and got a trailer and went up in

1060
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 3: the Sapphires and did my own little posting polesale. Now

1061
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 3: would he give me five thousand acres of posting poles.

1062
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe not, And then I could go

1063
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: I just don't get nothing from it, right, I could

1064
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: be dissatisfied.

1065
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: But I have watched federal land management feel conflict.

1066
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 3: Just like anything where you have a wonderful asset that

1067
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 3: everybody's going to argue over.

1068
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: They should.

1069
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't mean you give it away. No, don't

1070
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 3: mean you let somebody take it from.

1071
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: You, especially it's making money, right, it's.

1072
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 3: Making money, but it doesn't make enough money. We all

1073
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 3: have to share in the management costs. If it made money,

1074
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 3: somebody would be out there owning it.

1075
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you know, like like that. That's

1076
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 2: just the truth of it.

1077
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: The value has increased exponentially, the value of that open space.

1078
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: That's right, and it will it will be the greatest

1079
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: asset the United States House.

1080
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: That's right, and you better choose if you want to

1081
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 3: keep it. That's right, because that that's in a nutshell.

1082
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 3: The population in the United States has doubled in my lifetime.

1083
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: People can understand right now in many areas of the

1084
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: country the value of open space, right, and it's way

1085
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: different than it was when they were a kid, yep, right,

1086
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: and this stuff is going to continue to double, triple,

1087
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: quadruple in value. And people in Western States got the

1088
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: shock of a lifetime when COVID hit and all of

1089
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, everybody wanted to have their own space. And

1090
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: we were like, oh my god, I thought that land

1091
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: was expensive before, but turns out, in comparison to the

1092
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: rest of the country, we didn't know the true value.

1093
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: It's right, five times yeah what it was priced before

1094
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: all you ding dong showed up. Yeah right, right, shame

1095
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: on it.

1096
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: And that's just to be in a proximity to it, right, yeah, exactly.

1097
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: I guess the shock of my life.

1098
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 3: When by this was when the Wilkes brothers bought the

1099
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 3: three hundred and thirty thousand in Montana, which was some

1100
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 3: of the most arid Missouri breaks.

1101
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: Gumbo country in the world.

1102
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 3: You know, like really it was no homestead or could

1103
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: ever like they nobody had made it.

1104
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: Their anchor ranch. All that country.

1105
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 3: It's beautiful, don't get me wrong, but it was hard

1106
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: to make a living in there, and that's why it

1107
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: was that for sale. So they when that purchase went down,

1108
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: and then I had a guy bought one hundred and

1109
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: sixty five thousand near me, all these these huge landscapes

1110
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: were changing hands. I was like that that means that

1111
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 3: that can you imagine what they'd pay for the Lewis

1112
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 3: and Clark National Forest, right? Can you imagine what they

1113
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 3: pay for the contiguous BLM lands that we were talking

1114
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 3: about today this morning?

1115
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: Yep, you know.

1116
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 3: It's not about putting pounds on cows anymore. It's about

1117
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 3: controlling huge things of open space and hunting and having

1118
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 3: your own like kingdom in a time where the population

1119
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 3: is doubling and people are living harder.

1120
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Speaker 1: So again, if that stuff wasn't of value, right, yeah,

1121
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: why is it being snatched up?

1122
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,959
Speaker 2: Record crisis? Right? So that's well.

1123
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: I think the other threat that I just want to

1124
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: hit before we take off here, this is because we've

1125
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: got to get back to rendezvousing is aside from apathy.

1126
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: It's like, understand what your goal is and be willing

1127
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: to leave your baggage at the door to hit that goal.

1128
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: Make that less abstract for me. Tell my goal is

1129
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: public lands. I want no public lands in this budget sale.

1130
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: I want the same amount, if not more, and I

1131
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: want those lands to be in better shape when I

1132
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: hopefully I'm underneath them, meaning I want to leave it

1133
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: better than I found, you know, That's that's my goal.

1134
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: And I want people to understand that they have the

1135
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,919
Speaker 1: opportunities that I had. They don't need to take them,

1136
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: but they need to ununderstand that they have those opportunities.

1137
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: You know that adventures out there for you too. Yep,

1138
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: should you so choose?

1139
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: Should you so choose?

1140
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 3: Right?

1141
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: You can wake up tomorrow and go do it or not?

1142
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: And I want to win this thing.

1143
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do not care who you voted for,

1144
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: what all your other personal ideals are. But if you

1145
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: want access to public lands and you want to see

1146
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: those things.

1147
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,439
Speaker 2: Thrive, then yeah, then you're on my team. Yep, that's right.

1148
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what we will make this great

1149
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: because I would say I believe that we're We needed

1150
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 3: to be asked this question. A lot of people were

1151
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 3: telling me, they were going, can you believe this is happening?

1152
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 3: Can you believe this happening? It was like, wait, it's

1153
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 3: been happening for fifty years, but it hasn't happened in

1154
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 3: your face, like like they've been kind of throwing the

1155
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 3: left jab, this is the overhand right right, and and

1156
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 3: I believe that in a good strong overhand right to

1157
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 3: a person who ain't paying attention is not a bad thing. Now,

1158
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 3: you know you're in a fight, right, We've been in

1159
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 3: a fight for fifty years over Colonel.

1160
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: Abel says, did he nothing? Nothing gets you woken up

1161
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: like a good fight.

1162
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

1163
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 3: And and finally you can drop the the the baggage,

1164
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 3: the silliness, the nonsense, right and and and address the opponent.

1165
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 2: And that's what we're doing here, yep.

1166
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 3: And dude, I believe that once woken up from the

1167
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 3: from the trance of apathy, I believe we're gonna have

1168
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 3: land management. I believe we're gonna come. Here's what I think.

1169
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna keep the public lands. I think

1170
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: we're gonna win this one. I think we're gonna have

1171
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 3: fuels reduction projects, watershed hunting, habitat management. I think we're

1172
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 3: gonna prioritize public lands after this because we're gonna be awakened.

1173
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: And before that there was too easy to go like,

1174
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: you know, I don't like blam. You go what would

1175
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 2: you rather have?

1176
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: And they go, I don't know, but I don't like them,

1177
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 3: And he goes, what do they do that you don't like,

1178
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 3: and they'll have like a laundry list of small things

1179
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 3: and he goes, you know, dude, how important is that

1180
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 3: when it comes to like not having this ever ever?

1181
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: And in Montana, the BLM doesne.

1182
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: Uh private land work like they they implement all the

1183
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: federal uh funding. Yeah yeah, to help improve rangeland gotcha

1184
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: the private landowners use right right right, yeah.

1185
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 3: Right right yeah? Or I got I went, I went

1186
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 3: packing for ILK, I got the mules out of counting,

1187
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm at a class of young people

1188
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 3: who are uh. Is another controversy over like Native American

1189
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 3: to get the lands back, right, They're gonna they're gonna

1190
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: give the Lewis and Clark National Forest back to I came.

1191
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 2: Not the black Feet. I don't know, I can't. It was.

1192
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 3: It was very strange, but anyway, and they told me

1193
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 3: they've had the same idea.

1194
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: They said, it's all been mismanaged.

1195
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 3: It's been mismanaged to the point where we might as

1196
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 3: well give it away. And I and we were up

1197
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 3: on the front and I said, can you ride with me?

1198
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: Take a take a walk, ride with me to the trail.

1199
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 2: I said, show me, show me the mismanagement there you

1200
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:33,480
Speaker 2: would find.

1201
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 3: Some if you if you spent the rest of your

1202
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 3: life going over to the Custer National Forest, you say, well,

1203
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 3: some of this is overgrazed, right, Does that mean that

1204
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 3: means we're gonna get rid of if.

1205
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: You had the background and noxious weeds, and I think

1206
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: you don't, and then you could look at things and.

1207
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 3: You know what, you'd say, we need more work on

1208
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: this noxious weed problem exactly. And that's exactly what we've

1209
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 3: been doing on Blm Lands with the sagebrush effort through

1210
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 3: Mule Deer Foundation. Yeah, and it's been it's really great.

1211
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 3: I just indeed, you gotta get over. I love that

1212
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 3: Nietzsche quote. You said, I am a ya sayer that

1213
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 3: from us, that spake Sarah Thustra, you know then Nietzsche

1214
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 3: philoph of German philosopher. Well, I am a ya sayer.

1215
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm not here to be negative with you. I'm gonna

1216
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 3: I'm a ya sayer man, and we're gonna keep this.

1217
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 2: We're gonna win this. Oh, I think I think we're

1218
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: gonna win this one man.

1219
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: And and like we we may or may not have

1220
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: talked about on the podcast here, right, it's like man

1221
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: tough times make great people, yep. And you see the

1222
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: people who have been doing lip service during the easy times, yep,

1223
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: cowering and and moving further and further to the back yep. Right,

1224
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: And don't worry, once we win this thing, they'll be

1225
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: right back up to the front.

1226
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: Probably just before right, you know.

1227
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they have an innate ability to smell success

1228
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: and a part of it, right, But so it does

1229
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: does excite me, right, And I think we've been talking

1230
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: about BHA, right Like, BHA is kind of like a

1231
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: few the proud organization, right Like, we're not one of

1232
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: the biggest ones out there by far, but when our

1233
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: membership gets active, they outperform bigger memberships who have been

1234
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: trained to not do stuff. Give money, sit back, we'll

1235
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: take care of it. Well, right now, we need all

1236
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: the above, right, So, our membership is punching so far

1237
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: above its weight class because they're willing to show up,

1238
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: show up at a rally, show up at a committee meeting.

1239
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: They're willing to testify, They're willing to pick up the phone,

1240
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: they're willing to make the emails. They're willing to tell

1241
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: their friends to do the same darn thing. Right, They're

1242
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: willing to throw in a couple of bucks and sign

1243
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: on to the the group letters, right, like they're they're

1244
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: doing the work because like uh, Katie Morrison one of her.

1245
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: Night, Yeah, fantastic person.

1246
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: She's like, because we know the value right, right, and

1247
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: unfortunately that's that's like a responsibility on our shoulders, right.

1248
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 2: It's huge.

1249
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 3: I mean I think it's a beautiful burden. Yeah, Like

1250
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 3: like I just I welcome this. I think this is

1251
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 3: BHA's moment like never before. I mean, if it's not, well,

1252
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 3: when would be right? I mean, I mean it is

1253
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 3: the moment.

1254
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 2: It is the moment and all it is.

1255
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 3: I was talking with Jim Taylor from Arkansas last night

1256
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 3: and he said, he said, we've been. He's a old

1257
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 3: probably my age, you know, and he said, I've been.

1258
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 3: This is my moment, this is this is it, this

1259
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 3: is I've been preparing for this my whole life.

1260
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1261
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, by being a conservationist in a public lands hunter

1262
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 3: and being in the Delta Arkansas and the National Wildlife

1263
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 3: Refuge is oh man, come on, come on, Cash River,

1264
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 3: White River, you know, you know US Fish and Wildlife Service,

1265
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 3: Like like nobody in the world's ever done what we've done.

1266
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 3: Let's don't don't break, don't wreck this boat.

1267
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 2: That's what kills me.

1268
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: How is I I do stuff that I post on

1269
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: Instagram and the podcast and stuff like that.

1270
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 2: The international people's the darn foreigners.

1271
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they write in all the time and say, are

1272
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: you guys really gonna fuck this up?

1273
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, they're like, are you really gonna? Like do

1274
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: you not know what you have? Right? And it's like, no,

1275
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: some of these people do not know, but what we

1276
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: have they don't and and right.

1277
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 3: And then the fact that somebody doesn't care about something

1278
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's not important, you know, that's right. I

1279
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 3: mean the fact that somebody's gonna turn on the water

1280
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 3: at their house and drink the water and say they

1281
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 3: don't won't Clean Water Act or whatever, that's a minority

1282
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 3: of folks. It's we're gonna have to leave you behind.

1283
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna have a couple of coffee later. Yeah,

1284
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 3: right now, we're gonna we're busy.

1285
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 2: You know, that's right.

1286
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 3: Like you were saying, with all these other issues, to

1287
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 3: tell that one, that was an awesome one. Because we've

1288
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 3: been at Rendezvoue where there's a lot of issues there

1289
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 3: as a lot of trouble in the world, right there are, yeah,

1290
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 3: but this one, this particular land sale I described like

1291
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 3: this right, this is happening right now, It's gonna happen

1292
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 3: within the next two weeks.

1293
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: There's a raging fire on your front door. It's about

1294
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: to consume the house. It's maybe even taking down your

1295
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: neighbor's house already. There's a bucket brigade running water to

1296
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: the front door to put out this fire, and you're

1297
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: grabbing people out of that bucket brigade to tell them

1298
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: about what's going on with the back lawn.

1299
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 2: You're right on.

1300
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: Right, listen, the back lawn. We love it, everybody loves it. Yeah,

1301
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: but we're gonna put this fire out and then we're

1302
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the back line. Okay, And until then,

1303
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: grab a fucking bucket or a minimum.

1304
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 2: Quit pulling people out of the

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Speaker 3: Line right over, man, I'm gonna leave it right there,

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Speaker 3: all right, buddy,