1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ. Buck 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: back with you, Buck. What's going on? 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 3: Man? Not too much? 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: DJ, Like, I know we are a football podcast, but 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: now we're knee deep into the baseball postseason. I know 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: you super excited. You Padres swept the Bang then beat 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: up Braves to then earn the right to play the Dodgers, 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: to see what it looks like. So it should be 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be fun. 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: Man. 13 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 4: I was out there at the at the game last 14 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 4: night and like, we were just talking about this before 15 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 4: we came on air, so I think we should say 16 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 4: it on here. But there's two people who are sports fans, 17 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: not just football fans. There's nothing better than postseason. There's 18 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 4: just nothing better. Like there's you could go to. You 19 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 4: could go to fifteen regular season games. It doesn't equate 20 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 4: to the experience of going to one postseason game. It's 21 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 4: just a different juice, energy, The whole thing's different. 22 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: The whole thing's different. And what I love about it 23 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: is how people respond to the pressure. I think you 24 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: have to have gone to a playoff game to just 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: kind of feel the energy in the stadium to know 26 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: what players have to deal with to be able to 27 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: perform in those environments. Now, we've been lucky because we've 28 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: been afforded opportunities to go to a bunch of different 29 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: football games right at every level, like whether it's a 30 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: college football playoff game, where a bowl game, rivalry games, 31 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: NFL games at various stages of the postseason. 32 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: We understand that. 33 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: But when you have a chance to venture into another sport, 34 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: and baseball in particularly talking about the Fall Classic. 35 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: It is different. Man. 36 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: The energy is there you riding on every pitch, and 37 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: as an evaluator, even though we don't. 38 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: Look at baseball and evaluate baseball. 39 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: Players, there's still that part of you that, hey man, 40 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: who has the slow heart beat in these moments, like 41 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: when you feel it while watching you have the butterflies 42 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: and the rubber legs, which players have the slow heartbeat 43 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: where it doesn't affect them. They're able to kind of 44 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: do the same things that they do the ordinary stuff 45 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: despite the circumstances. 46 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: I love watching that. I love that part of the playoffs. 47 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: One of the things I was thinking of about maybe 48 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 4: you can give me a better example, but like the 49 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: Potterys and the Dodgers will play. 50 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: They've played. 51 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: This will be the third time, and so they played 52 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, twenty twenty two, and now twenty twenty. 53 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 4: So every other year they're meeting each other in the 54 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 4: postseason as division rivals, where their regular season games are 55 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 4: pretty intense, like it's it's a really good rivalry. They 56 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: opened up the series, open up the season, i should say, 57 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 4: in South Korea, and now here they are meeting in 58 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: the playoffs. I was trying to think of football teams 59 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: in the same division that have a tremendous rivalry, but 60 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: then also they've been successful and they bump into each 61 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 4: other in the postseason. I was thinking, like Steelers Ravens. 62 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 4: That was the first one that was on my mind. 63 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I was I'd like to steal his Ravens because it 64 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: kind of has that It's so weird to think that 65 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: two SoCal teams would have that energy, but it does 66 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: have the energy that is similar to the energy that 67 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: you see when the raves and is still the squirrel. 68 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: Well. 69 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 4: I think part of it too is because you have 70 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 4: you have a rivalry, you're in the same division, and 71 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: you've got like a mixture of stars, like you know, 72 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: like there's there's main actors in this you know, in 73 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 4: this movie on both sides. 74 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: So that's what makes it. 75 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 4: It makes it super fun to see when you get 76 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 4: a chance to see those guys bang heads and and 77 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 4: have the division connection in it. 78 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: I think that's great in football as well. 79 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think is that, But I think what makes 80 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: the rivalry really go to the next level is and 81 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: and let's be honest, so a rivalry becomes a true 82 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: rivalry when both sides can win. So for the longest time, 83 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: we talked about like you and the Padres feeling like 84 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: there is this inferiority thing like. 85 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: That it's the Giants and the Dodgers. The Giants and 86 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: the Dodgers are. 87 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: Look at a cute. 88 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: Little but but what has happened is after a while, 89 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: if you ignore little brother, you don't give them their 90 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: proper respect. When it comes down to playing, they start 91 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: beating you. And then when they beat you, they begin 92 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: to gain enough confidence. And so now it's a a 93 00:03:58,760 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: full blown rivalry. 94 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: And this is going to be a. 95 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: Heavyweight fight because look, there's no love loss. Both teams 96 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: know they can win, and there's this sense of I 97 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: don't know. I won't say like hatred, but there's a 98 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: healthy competitive animosity that would make this game get kind 99 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: of contentious, kind of confrontation. 100 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: Yeah no, that's what makes it fun. That's what makes 101 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 4: sports fun. A couple football notes I want to hit on, 102 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 4: and then we'll look ahead to some of these games. 103 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 4: First of all, I want to look back. If you 104 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 4: haven't had a chance to listen to the episode we 105 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 4: did with Luke Kickley, do yourself a favor. 106 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: Go check it out. 107 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 4: It's phenomenal. The feedback on it's been unbelievable, not only 108 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: outside the league, but inside the league. We talked about 109 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: motion and talked about oh no, we were talking at 110 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: this point time talking about communication, helmet communication and what 111 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 4: you can glean from your coach. And he told a 112 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: story about a playoff game against the Arizona Cardinals and 113 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 4: kick Lee. You know, go find the clip. I posted 114 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: the clip. 115 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: You can go find it. 116 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: And he talked about the information he got how that 117 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 4: helped him make a play. 118 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: So I got a text. This episode came out yesterday. 119 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: I got a text this morning and it said that 120 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 4: guy called out the play. Fifty percent of the snaps 121 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 4: that game I gave him all the credit. Ha ha, Ryan Linley, 122 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 4: the quarterback from the clip. 123 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: You know, you know what's funny about the Keith Lee 124 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: not only like the football IQ or whatever, right, And 125 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: we always talk about it, and we've had the opportunity 126 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: to interview a bunch of different players, not only in 127 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: the road that we end, but when your scouts DJ 128 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: you can't look. Man, it is a premium that you 129 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: need to place on intelligence. Like we talked about like 130 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in the run up to the draft. 131 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: We talk about a lot of the physical tools, We 132 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: talk about workouts and audit and. 133 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: Look, he crushed it from an athletics standpoint. 134 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: But there are two things that I think you can 135 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: underestimate when it comes to evaluating the player. 136 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: Intelligence. 137 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: And then I always say like love, passion, whatever it 138 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: is that you want to say in terms of like 139 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: do they love the game. Every time we talked to 140 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: Luke Keigley, even though he's five years removed from playing, 141 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: his love for the game comes out. It is almost 142 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: like when you're interviewing him when it comes to ball, 143 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: like you ask him a play and you can see 144 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: him just kind of sit at the edge of he 145 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: just kind of adjusted and got to it. And if 146 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: I could tell any young scout, any aspiring scout, that 147 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: when you have those one on ones, man, those are 148 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: the guys that you don't miss on. Those guys that 149 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: love it like that, they tend to figure it out 150 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: in terms of how to get it done. He loves it, 151 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: and I think his intelligence and his passion comes out 152 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: in his performance. 153 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's interesting the scouting process. 154 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 4: I would say when I started, and you were a 155 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: little bit before men, I think, but my first year 156 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 4: was three. 157 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: But I would say for one, yeah, a couple of 158 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: years before me. 159 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 4: But I would say early on, and I'd be curious 160 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: if you agree on this, but early on, I would 161 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 4: say as a scout, it was seventy to eighty percent 162 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:08,119 Speaker 4: tape evaluation, twenty to thirty percent background evaluation. I felt 163 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: like as I finished, which has now been a dozen 164 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 4: years in twenty twelve, it was more maybe sixty forty, 165 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 4: maybe even close to fifty to fifty. 166 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: And I you know, that was. 167 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: One of the reason, honestly why I didn't want to 168 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 4: really do it as much anymore, because I found myself 169 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: I enjoy watching the tape, but you know, having to 170 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: dig in on the background stuff like a reporter. I 171 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: wasn't really what I, you know, got into scouting for. 172 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 4: I didn't really want to do that. But as I've 173 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: gotten older and hopefully you know, there's some wisdom that 174 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 4: comes with age. You know your point you just made, 175 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 4: man Like, that's there is. I think we can kind 176 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 4: of all see the tape, but then man like that, 177 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: the determining factor often isn't what we see on the tape. 178 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: It's that time with these guys and learning who they are. 179 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: You know, I think I would maybe change even the 180 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: scouting evaluation process a little bit, right, So we always 181 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: talk about kind of making it like family friendly and 182 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: doing those things so you have the necessary evils where 183 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: you have to have the school calls because you want 184 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: to go and visit all the people and those things. 185 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: That's been tweaked since COVID, because there are other ways 186 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: to be able to talk to the people that you 187 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: need to talk to. You need to be able to 188 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: watch the tape when you can watch the tape at home. 189 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: But DJ to me, I look at Naggy every weekend 190 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: and when they post going to games or whatever. Man, 191 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: I think there's something too watching guys play the game 192 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: live that you can get that you don't get when 193 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: you go to practice. And if I could my days, 194 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: I might spend more time out on the road on 195 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: weekends and maybe less time during the week so I 196 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: could get the game part of the thing done. Because 197 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: if I had an opportunity to be able to walk 198 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: on the sideline, kind of walk around the perimeter of 199 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: the field and see Luke Keigley talking to his teammates, 200 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: being able to assess how he gets along with coaches 201 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: and interact, I think I probably could give you a 202 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: better report than I could if I'm just going through 203 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: the school call and doing the normal things that you 204 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: would do as an area scout. 205 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: The other thing I was thinking from scouting standpoint is, 206 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: look what we got from Luke in a you know, 207 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 4: a thirty minute podcast which is through video, right, so 208 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: we can be on Zoom whatever you know, we are 209 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 4: on the stream yard or whatever whatever program use. But 210 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 4: I'm just thinking of the draft process from when we started. Man, 211 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 4: what a difference it is now where I can get 212 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 4: on I can get on a FaceTime or a Zoom 213 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 4: with these prospects half a dozen times or more in 214 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: the spring and now I can see him and I 215 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 4: can actually put film on and I can listen to 216 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 4: them while we're like that time is That's crazy? 217 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: What an advantage that is? 218 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: We know it, Like I hadn't thought about that because 219 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what the restrictions are, but DJ, you 220 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: could almost have the weekly appointment, like in the guys 221 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: that you really are interested in. 222 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: You can talk about stuff. 223 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: You can give them homework assignments, you can have them 224 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: watch various games and get their feedback and go back 225 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: and forth and really do what we talk about this 226 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: relationship business, Like who are the guys that you can 227 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: develop the trust in that Oh, I'm I trust that. 228 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: He's going to be what we think he's going to 229 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 3: be when he comes in the building. 230 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: I just think about throughout the years the guys that 231 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: we have interviewed on the podcast, either when they were 232 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: coming through the pre draft process or later and we're like, oh, wow, 233 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: this dude is even different than I thought. And I 234 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: think about Gregory Russo breaking down pass res skills. I 235 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: think about Pat Mahomes when he came in studio and 236 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: just talked about the recall from being able to capture 237 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: a moment from a game versus Kansas State where he 238 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: could give us vivid descriptions and those things, and. 239 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: They're countless others. 240 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: I did a one on one one time with Honey 241 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: Badger where he came up to our old thing and 242 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: we watched tape together and whatever. And just how once 243 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: you know a player, and we always talk about this, 244 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: like high your ups always tell scouts like, hey, man, 245 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: be convicted. But once you know a player, and once 246 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: you've kind of gone down that road with the player, 247 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: it is a lot easier to have conviction one way 248 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: or the other on whether this guy is the right guy. 249 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: For you and your team. 250 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, man. 251 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 4: One other topic I want to hit at, and then 252 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 4: we'll get to we'll get to the game of the 253 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: week that we're looking forward to this weekend. But the 254 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 4: reports are out there, and as you're listening to this, 255 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 4: nothing's happened yet, but there are reports out there. Davonte 256 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 4: Adams he does want to be traded. It sounds like 257 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 4: conversations are taking place based off all the reports that 258 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: are out there. I mean, I'm a believer in timelines backing. 259 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 4: He doesn't match the Raiders timeline, so to me, it 260 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: would be a no brainer, if you can find some 261 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: way to do. 262 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: This, Yeah, I think so. I think a couple of 263 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 3: different things. 264 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: And I'll say this without knowing DeVante Adams, but I 265 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: will say in getting to know him watching the Netflix documentary, 266 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: I could see where the team would be like, Okay, 267 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: we've kind of run our course with the veteran Pro. 268 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: Bowl player, like he's a good player in those things. 269 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: But I would say that his agenda is a different 270 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: agenda than the one that we have from a team standpoint, 271 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with that, but it just doesn't 272 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,119 Speaker 1: work here. And you talked about being on a different timeline. 273 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: I think you could say that timeline the thing about 274 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: DeVante Adams, And you know, I remember he and Phil 275 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: Jackson talk about the challenge of coaching a superstar near 276 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: the end of his run. Because the superstar Kobe and Jordan, 277 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: they always see themselves as what they were doing their prime. 278 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: They don't see themselves in the twilight of the career, 279 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: or they can't necessarily see some of the descending characteristics 280 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: that may show up on tape. That can be very 281 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: very hard to coach because in their mind they're like, 282 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: hey man, you need to feed me. I should get 283 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: fifteen targets. He may not be like that. And DJ, 284 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: when you watch him on tape, he's not what he 285 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: once was. He still is very good, but he's not 286 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: what he was at peak performance in Green Bay. And 287 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: now what you run into is a player that is 288 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: descending but wants the money of an elite player and 289 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: wants to play with a quarter There's a lot to 290 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: go with that, and that's why are people that put 291 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: a number of teams and destinations DJ. I think it 292 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: can only be one or two teams that are kind 293 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: of in the conversation because everybody's not going to have 294 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: not only the money, but the right environment for him 295 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: to fit into. 296 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 4: While everybody's you know, the reports out there that I 297 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: saw it might have been just seen Anderson. I can't 298 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 4: remember who reported it. But was he wanted to go 299 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 4: play with his former quarterbacks that was either Aaron Rodgers 300 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 4: with the Jets or or his college and professional teammate 301 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 4: Derek Carr with the New Orleans Saints. Okay, would you 302 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 4: be a little first of all, would you be a 303 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 4: little bit worried about Garrett Wilson, Like I'd be like, 304 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 4: that is your guy. And now you've already got lizard 305 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: who is target rich for some reason. I mean, that's 306 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 4: just his connection with Aaron Rodgers. But to me, like 307 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 4: he is light years their best option in the passing game. 308 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 4: You just brought Mike Williams and gave him some money, 309 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 4: got to get him up fully healthy. But I just think, 310 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 4: like Davante, I would make this prediction if Davanta Adams 311 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: goes there, and I hope it all works out and 312 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: then him and Aaron Rodgers reunited, But if him coming 313 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 4: there takes even more targets away from Garrett Wilson, They're 314 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 4: going to have a problem. 315 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely going to have a problem. 316 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: Not only is the problem going to be short term, 317 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: because I think the chemission in the locker room is 318 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: going to be different long term because if you do 319 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: the rental thing with DeVante Adams there, but then you 320 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: remove him, how does Garret Wilson feel next when he 321 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: comes back? You know, because you put people ahead of 322 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: him in the line. That's not going to be well 323 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: received by Look, a guy who is an offensive rookie year, 324 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: he's not gonna be cool with that. 325 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: If you go to the Saints steal. 326 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: You're talking about an old team, an older team that 327 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: has a lot of parts that you're going to have 328 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: to move away from next season. 329 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: How does that work? 330 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: Like, I think it's hard sometimes to bring in Will say, 331 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: this is the word for it, but it's not necessarily 332 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: being dominion but a mercenary to bring someone in on 333 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: a mission to just try and get this team to 334 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs of the Super Bowl. I think it's hard 335 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: to bring a one year rental into the environment depending 336 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: on how old or young the locker rooms. 337 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: The funny thing is, so I guess it's not funny. 338 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 4: Maybe the ironic thing is, if you're gonna ask me, 339 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: of all thirty two teams, where is the absolute best 340 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: fit for him, It's the one that I could not 341 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 4: see happening in a million years, and that's inside the 342 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: division with the Kansas City Chiefs. Like, that's the fit, 343 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 4: that's the fit for how they're playing right now. Teams 344 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: are trying to take away big plays and Patrick mahomes 345 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 4: average depth of target has been about the lowest in 346 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 4: the in the league. I believe it might actually be 347 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 4: the lowest. You know, hey went on, went on, went on, Shallows, screens, 348 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 4: mesh routes like all that stuff that they're doing in 349 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 4: Kansas City right now. I mean Devanta Adams will catch 350 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 4: a hunter balls, you know, playing that setup, he. 351 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: Will catch hundred balls. 352 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: And the other thing about that setup is you have 353 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: a playmaker, I mean a play designer and play called 354 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: and Andy Reid who understands how to get guys open. 355 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: He can scheme guys open. 356 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: He also understands how to scheme guys who have descending 357 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: skills open because thinking about the work that he had 358 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: to do. Look on Sunday with the kans City Chiefs, 359 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: once Rashid Rice goes out, man, Travis Kelson, you got 360 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: to be at number one. Oh, let me dig in 361 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: my bag of tricks to get him some easy targets. 362 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Andy Reid has been around the block enough that he 363 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: understands how to feature his top guys, and he certainly 364 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: could enhance what Devanta Adams can do. But I just 365 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: know this, if I'm the Raiders, there's no way, no how. 366 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: That had to be a three team team. He had 367 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: to go somewhere else, and it makes but we're not 368 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: going hand Kansas City a playmaker like the Buffalo Bills 369 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: handed them Xavier work. 370 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 4: I was going to ask you about that because in baseball, 371 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 4: because I think a lot of it's because. 372 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: Of the age of the gms. 373 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: You have some younger gms, and baseball it really is 374 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 4: kind of taken taken over. Maybe the last decade, we've 375 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 4: seen an influx of young, bright, you know, gms who 376 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 4: don't necessarily care. It doesn't bother them to make trades 377 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: inside the division and football it's almost always been frowned upon. 378 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 4: It is very rare. But you you stick to that, right, 379 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: you're not. I would not do that, But I think 380 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 4: there's there's a debate. There's the debate on hey, we 381 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 4: do what's best for our team and regardless of what 382 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 4: does to the division. 383 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: I think it depends on how you view the player. 384 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: For instance, Philadelphia sending down to McNabb. Yeah, that's the 385 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: one that always gets mentioned. 386 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: I have like that. 387 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: But if you're the Raiders and you're contemplating, Okay, here's 388 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: where DeVante Adams is. But man, if weeps in Mckansas 389 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: City that play caller, like, could he come back to 390 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: bite us? I think that that's where he comes out to. 391 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: But in this instance, no way he's letting anywhere within 392 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: the division. 393 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, especially because I mean I think you're probably 394 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 4: getting a third round pick. 395 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: I know there's been talk out there that they want 396 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: a second. 397 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 4: If he gets a second, if Tom gets a second, 398 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 4: for that hats off. He's able to pull that off. 399 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 4: But it feels more like that would be a third 400 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 4: and I just don't know the return on investment would 401 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 4: be there to, you know, bolsterate the visional opponent, even 402 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 4: in a year where the Raiders, I don't know. You know, 403 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 4: I'm sure that there obviously would say vocally and outwardly 404 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 4: that they're competing and they want to try and get 405 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 4: in the playoffs, and they're two and two and they're 406 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 4: in the mix. But timeline wise, I mean, this is 407 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 4: not They're a year away. So you could make the 408 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 4: you could make the case, hey, we're just everything's about 409 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 4: getting to next year, finding our quarterback, that all that jazz. 410 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 4: But I just think you got to find somewhere else 411 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 4: to ship him, get him out of the division. 412 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 3: You got to get him out there. You just someone 413 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: to come back to bite you man. 414 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: You would hate to have to play them at the 415 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: end of the year to get into the postseason. And 416 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: there he comes running out of the tunnel with a 417 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: personal vendetta against you. It is better if you can 418 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: move him, not only out of the division, if you 419 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: can move him to a different conference, so you're guaranteed 420 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: that you don't have to see him. 421 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 3: You see him once every four years. 422 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, look, I don't 423 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: know how robust that market is going to be, and 424 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: it may be a situation where Antoni a pears some time. 425 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: So let's go just have to take the best deal. Uh, 426 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: maybe it is about improving the locker room. You may 427 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: just have to take the best deal and deal with 428 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: it down the lot. 429 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, we'll be interested to see. 430 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: Uh. 431 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 4: Probably something that needs to get resolved pretty soon. I 432 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 4: don't think you want that distraction. He's not going to 433 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 4: play this week due to injury, but I don't think 434 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 4: you want that that kind of lingering. So hopefully there's 435 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 4: a resolution there before too long. All right, take quick break, 436 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 4: we'll get back and we will hit on the game 437 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 4: of the week, which we have as the Bills and 438 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 4: the Texans. 439 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: Right after this, it's time for the Game of the 440 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: Week present about Draft Kings Sportsbook. This week it's the 441 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: Bills at the Texans. The spread is minus one favoring 442 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: the Bills. The over under is forty seven and a half. 443 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: And let's call this what it is. 444 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: It is the Stefan Diggs vengeance game. 445 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation about Stefan Diggs in Buffalo. 446 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: It was weird the way that his tenure ended with 447 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Guy had four thousand yard seasons, did 448 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: a really good job of positively impacting Josh Allen's game. 449 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: But at the end of that term, it felt like 450 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: the two stars in Buffalo, especially on offense, Diggs and 451 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: Allen did. It seem like they were on the same page. 452 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: And it appears that the Bills were a addition. By subtraction, 453 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: we'll move on from a really good player. But it 454 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: will help us because our quarterback will continue to grow 455 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 1: and we got a bunch of young, unherded playmakers behind him. 456 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: They will also take advantage of their opportunities. 457 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. Let's go to the Bill side of 458 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 4: things first. Here, and I'll try and pull this up. 459 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 4: If you give me a second. Here, I will try 460 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 4: and I'll try and pull this up. But I was 461 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: talking to I think I mentioned this the other day. 462 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 4: I was talking to Romo before the Chargers last game 463 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 4: against Kansas City Chiefs and asked him, I said, would 464 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 4: you rather have a true number one, you know, like 465 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 4: say a Ceedee Lamb, you know with the Cowboys, or 466 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 4: would you rather have a collection of players like you know, 467 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 4: like Green Bay, you know, having a bunch of different 468 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 4: options of where to go with the football. And he's 469 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 4: his answer I thought was really good, which he said, look, 470 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 4: you know you can however you want to, you know, 471 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 4: label it. He said, ideally I like to have five 472 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 4: number ones. You know, obviously not going to have that, 473 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 4: but he said, it comes down to in the NFL, 474 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 4: you need somebody on third down that that can win. 475 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 4: You're going to get one on one in certain situations 476 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: and matchups, and you have to know as a quarterback, 477 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 4: I know that this player can win one on one, 478 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: whether that's your tight end, slot receiver, someone on the outside, 479 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 4: however you want to label him. He's That's the way 480 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 4: he looked at it and his point with green like, 481 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 4: I think Green Bay has a couple guys that can 482 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 4: do that so that you know, that's why it works. 483 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 4: But I wouldn't want just five. You know, a lot 484 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 4: of depth, but nobody that really somebody goes nose to 485 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 4: nose that I know can win on third down. So 486 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 4: my question to you is, I'm going to try and 487 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: pull up the stats while you hit this buck. Is 488 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 4: you know, with the Buffalo Bills in that situation, who 489 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 4: is that guy right now? 490 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 3: Who is the number one? I think they're trying to 491 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: figure it out. 492 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: I think it goes between secure and the Dalton kin 493 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: k and I think it changes week to week based 494 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: on who they're playing in the positive matchup. It's funny 495 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: that you talked to Romo about do you want a 496 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: true number one and would you rather have a collection 497 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: of really good players. I have had conversations one coming 498 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: out of Green Bay. In Green Bay, when you have 499 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame quarterback and Brett Favre, it was about, hey, 500 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: these are the things that make the offense go and 501 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: operate at a high level. Great system which they had 502 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: because of the Bill Walsh West Coast offense, go jacket quarterback, 503 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: good not necessarily great receivers. You saw the levels of 504 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: success there. I've been other places that have said the 505 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: same thing. Look, man, it's the system, the quarterback, then 506 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: it's the play makes around them. 507 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 3: But DJ, here's where it gets tricky. 508 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: They only a handful of quarterbacks that are walking to 509 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: earth that are those kind of guys that can elevate. 510 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 3: The performance of everyone around them. 511 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: We talked about trucks and trailers, whatever designation you want 512 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: to use to describe the guy who can raise up 513 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: everything around them and the guys who need the people 514 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: around them to help them rise up to the level. 515 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: And unless you're able to actually. 516 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: Identify the type of quarterbacks that you play, you better 517 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: have a one or a two, or maybe even a 518 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: three system that gives you the opportunity to register easy 519 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: completions because they're so good. 520 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: At getting open no question. 521 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 4: And if we go back, I was able to pull 522 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 4: up the numbers here, so if you go third downs, 523 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 4: and let's pull up the buffalo bills. On third downs, 524 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: Khalil Shakir has six catches, that's the most for one 525 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty three yards, five of those converted to 526 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 4: first downs. Dalton Kinkaid has three for forty with all 527 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 4: three of those resulting in first down. So that those 528 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 4: are their guys. It's here first and then it's Dalton Kinkaid. 529 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 4: Those are the guys that they're counting on to win. Now, 530 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 4: you go to the Texans. Not a surprise with the 531 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 4: year he's having, but Nico Collins is one hundred percent 532 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 4: their guy. He's got eleven receptions for one hundred and 533 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: seventy yards on fourteen targets on third down with eight 534 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 4: conversions for first down, so he is clearly their guy. 535 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 4: Diggs on third down he has eight for seventy four 536 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: with three of those being for first down, so not 537 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 4: a great you know, convergence rate on that. Eight catches 538 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 4: is a big number, but only three of those going 539 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 4: four first down, So it's clearly with the Texans's First 540 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 4: of all, it's Nico Collins, then it's daria O Goombawalle 541 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 4: is actually second out of the back field, and then Digs. 542 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 4: So interesting to see, kind of okay, who do you 543 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 4: rely on on those key situations? And Khalier Shakurz is 544 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 4: kind of quickly emerging as Josh Allen's guy. 545 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny that he is emerging as a guy. 546 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: But here's where it gets tricky. And I had a 547 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: unique opportunity to want watch the Buffalo Bills on a 548 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: Monday night when the Jaguars played them, but then watch 549 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: them again against the Baltimore Ravens, and it almost looked 550 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: like two different teams taking on the defense. The team 551 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: that played against the Jacksonmanthe Jaguars. Those guys were able 552 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: to win on the perimeter. It was schemed up really 553 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: well and effected by Joe Brady. And look, they busted 554 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: the clock about forty seven points. It was a laugh 555 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: for a by halftime. You now take that same group, 556 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: you put them against the Baltimore Ravens, an old experience 557 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: and better group, good emerging young coordinator man. 558 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 3: They blanket them. They swallowed them up. 559 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: Ken Holman had a player or two, but no one 560 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: was able to dominate like they did on that Monday night. 561 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: And it creates to me a big question mark around 562 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. I mean, they'll roll through the regular 563 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: season to do their stuff. How are they ever going 564 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: to get over the hump to beat a great team 565 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: in the as Like, what are they. 566 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 3: Going to do? 567 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna pull this up here because I wanted to see, 568 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 4: let's go to last year with Buffalo. So if we're 569 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: talking about third downs, let's go to what they did 570 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 4: last year on third downs and who their guy was 571 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 4: so last year on third downs Stefan Diggs had twenty 572 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 4: three receptions for two hundred and thirty four yards. Seventeen 573 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 4: of the twenty three receptions went for first downs, and 574 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 4: that was on thirty five targets. So the next closest 575 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 4: one was Kinkid with fourteen and then Shakira with ten. 576 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 4: So he was he was clearly, he was clearly that 577 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 4: guy last year, but not a huge number, not a 578 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 4: huge number in terms of conversions for first downs last year. 579 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 4: So I think they feel like and they that was 580 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 4: part of their calculus. They felt like they could replace 581 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 4: him in key situations and they had two guys they 582 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 4: felt like could win in those downs. 583 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so then it's about getting those guys more opportunities, 584 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: and as the play call that gets more comfortable with knowing, Okay, 585 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: here are my weapons, here my go to guys on 586 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: third down, they can build some packages around the talents 587 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: that put them in favorable one on one matchups. You know, 588 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: I think the wide receiver conversation is going to continue 589 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: to be fascinating as we kind of get down the 590 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: line and we talk about all these young guys that 591 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: are coming in, because it's going to impact the way 592 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: that you make decisions. Do I keep the older guy 593 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: who's due for the payday or can I just kind 594 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: of cycle it through with a bunch of college guys 595 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: that are in the league that we can get on 596 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: the cheap even if their first round picks. 597 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. I think it's gonna be a great game. 598 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 4: By the way, I think it's an even matchup. I'm 599 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 4: just I'm anxious to see how these two quarterbacks play. 600 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: They're two of my favorite quarterbacks to watch with the 601 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 4: way they play the game. Differently with how they play it, 602 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 4: but two of the absolute best. Looking forward to that 603 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 4: ball Yeah. 604 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: It should be a great ball game. 605 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: And you talk about the quarterbacks, I am looking forward 606 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: to the pass rushers on one side, Danil Hunter, Will 607 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Anderson ed Oliver and Gregory Russo who popped up and 608 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: who is going to replace Von Miller. 609 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 3: Who's coming off the edges. 610 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Looking forward to this ballgame, Buck. 611 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: And So download the Draftking Sportsbook app now use code MTS. 612 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: New customers can bet just five bucks to get two 613 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: hundred dollars in bonus bets only on DraftKings Sportsbook With 614 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: code MTS. 615 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 3: The crown is yours. 616 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 4: I also want to remind everybody Jets they play the 617 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 4: Vikings in London. That is Sunday, nine to thirty am 618 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 4: Eastern on NFL Network and NFL Plus. I'm I'm going 619 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 4: to be in there for the pre half in post 620 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 4: buck one of those one of those requests that comes 621 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 4: in in the middle of the summer and uh yeah, sure, 622 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 4: I'll do a little pre half post like no, sure, 623 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 4: that's so fun. 624 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 3: And then I. 625 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 4: Don't pay, don't pay attention, didn't bother to see what 626 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 4: time that is. Obviously we're on the West coast. That's 627 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 4: a three fifteen makeup. That's three fifteen makeup in the morning, 628 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 4: four am on the air for the little pregamer. So yeah, 629 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 4: early call, early call for that ball game on Sunday. 630 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 4: But it's a great game, Jets, Vikings looking forward to 631 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 4: that one. So tune in the NFL Network Exclusive nine 632 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 4: thirty am Eastern and if you really want to get 633 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 4: up early, come join me for the pregame. 634 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 2: Would you come come hang out. I'm sure Bucky's gonna 635 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: be up up for that. 636 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 3: I will. I will be up for that because I'll 637 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 3: be doing radio at that time, so I will. 638 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: You're a you're an animal I would definitely pop in 639 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: and see, let's see what my god DJ is doing. However, 640 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: I think I've also had to learn, hey, when that 641 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: text or that email comes through about a date, Hey. 642 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: Let me get back to you for a minute. 643 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: Let me look at my calendar, see all my ducks 644 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: in a row, because that is an early day. 645 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: That's a long day. 646 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 647 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 4: Unfortunately I didn't have anything on my calendar and the 648 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 4: Chargers by week for three o'clock in the morning, so 649 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: I didn't really have a way to sidestep that one. 650 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 4: But again, it'll be a great game. Suck it up 651 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 4: for a day, get up early. It'll be fun football 652 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 4: in the morning, little football with your coffee here from London, 653 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 4: so look forward to that. That's going to do it 654 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 4: for us today. Appreciate you guys hanging with us. We 655 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 4: will see you next time. Right here on, Move the sticks.