1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Frank Imperial, the engineer at Here's the Thing. 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: We're in the middle of our summer staff Pick series, 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: where we choose our favorite episodes from the archives. This week, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to share with you two interviews that are 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: among the most popular and funniest we've ever done, comedians 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Chris Rock and Jerry Seinfeld. Chris Rock has always been 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: a boundary pushing comedian. The Emmy and Grammy winner is 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: well known for his work on Saturday Night Live, his 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: numerous comedy specials, films like Grown Ups and Madagascar, and 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: the sitcom based on his life, Everybody Loves Chris. In 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: recent years, the funny man has been pushing his own boundaries, 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: digging deeper into his acting. He starred in the fourth 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: season of Fargo on f X, but before that, Alec 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 1: met up with the comedian when he was on Broadway 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: in his very first play Here's Alex two thousand eleven 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: conversation with comedian and actor Chris Rock backstage at the 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Showenfeld Theater. His dressing room in Broadway shown Field Theater 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: was five floors up, no elevator. Chris's show The Mother 19 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: with the Hat was about a group of dysfunctional friends 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: and lovers, where every relationship had gone bad, really bad. Drugs, booze, cheating, 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: No one was loyal to anyone. Chris played a recovering 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: alcoholic who had first glance seems to be a good guy, 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: but after a few minutes it was clear he was 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: the most self serving of the bunch. Oh Man, you 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: do a great man, you want to press If this 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: is something beautiful, come and stay with me and Vicky 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Man get on a nutritional beverage program. Man. Before this 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: past spring, Chris might have been the last person you'd 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: expect to see starring in a Broadway show. I mean, 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Chris can sell out Madison Square Garden, ps. They have 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: an elevator. Yet there he was between performances in his 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: attic dressing room at the Shoonefeld Theater. I wanted my 33 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: acting to grow. Do you have to see a huge 34 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: following black and white in your concerts? And yet when 35 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: you go out in this audience, how black is the audience? Well, 36 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: I mean put this way. In the old days, they 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: used to have signs up whites only, whites only. Now 38 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: I have a new thing. It's called prices. You know, 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: some nights it's darker than other nights. I buy tickets 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: every night when this play is over. Spent almost a 41 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: whole weekly paycheck on tickets as gifts for friends otherwise 42 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: couldn't come see the show. Otherwise could not afford to 43 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: see this show. I tour and I'm normally you know, 44 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: at the garden or whatever, like sixty thousand seats to 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: give away what I'm normally on tour, and people have 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: gotten used to this. My man takes care of us, 47 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: and you know, I don't. I can't take that away 48 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: from friends and family. You haven't done a lot of theater. Correct, 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: This is the first play I've ever done. This is 50 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: the first play you've ever done. I didn't do a 51 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: play in high school. I didn't go to high school. 52 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: So so not only your Broadway debut, but your first 53 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: play period. You're with a pretty cool group of people, 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: a lot of experience, you know what, and they have 55 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: held me up. No one ever got frustrated at what 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know. You know, this is a bunch of 57 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: little things that people take for grant. I have no idea. 58 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: You're never supposed to walk straight at somebody, supposed to loop. 59 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: Just all these weird little things My favorite is that 60 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 1: you don't give information to the person. So if you're 61 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: standing here telling them something, you tell it out. You said, 62 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: they're going to open, open, open to the audience as 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: much as possible. All that open, open, open, open open stuff. Yes, 64 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: even today, I'm working on it. The Chris Rock that 65 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: I know from your live shows, I don't see much 66 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: of him in this show because that Chris Rock is 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: like marauding the stage and as complete control over the audience. 68 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: This is a different Chris I see in the play. 69 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: I'm really try to act here, you know. Have you 70 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: enjoyed it? I'm enjoying it a lot. A lot. Is 71 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: the hardest thing I've ever gone through in my life. 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: I always tell people it's like having the Empire State 73 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: Building shoved up your one brick at a time and 74 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: to play. Can't believe there's ever gonna be a day 75 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: when you know these lines. What's been the surprise about 76 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: doing this for you? Honestly, I'm surprised I'm doing it. 77 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm surprised that I'm not bored with it already. 78 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: Are you afraid of that? I'm really that that what's 79 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the that's the biggest fear to actually be stuck doing anything. 80 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: Does this change for you night by night by day? 81 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: You know what's weird? I'm figuring out how to make 82 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: it change now. So I'm actually figuring out how to 83 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: add lib every night without saying words, how to work eat, 84 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: seeing a little different in each line, and try to 85 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: find laughs and places that I didn't find one the 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: night before. So yeah, so it's to answer your question, 87 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: it changes every night. Well, what I love about this plant? 88 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: By the way, everybody has loved someone, and not too 89 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: far into the relationship, you say to yourself, not only 90 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: is this probably wrong, this is definitely wrong, but you 91 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: can't get out of it. How does this play resonate 92 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: with you in your personal life? I've been every person 93 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: in this place, a person betrayed everything, everything, and it's 94 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: the one who the other person in response to the betrayal, 95 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: the revenge every person. It's the kind of play you 96 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: can't watch without putting yourself in it. When you write 97 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: your material for stand up, how do the people in 98 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: your life react to how you fill at them on stage? 99 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: If you're you know what, I'm like a lawyer in 100 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: a sense. I mean that's it's almost like a legal document. 101 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: It's a word like it's all our wives and all 102 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: our you know what I mean. It's like like if 103 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: you if I gave you the transcript, he'd be like, 104 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: he hasn't talked about anybody. It's about your baby. It 105 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: would all hold up in court, you do. But you 106 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: never have anybody in your life? No, No, everybody's uncomfortable. 107 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: I remember I read a quote Tarantino said, if people 108 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: in your life aren't uncomfortable, you're not really writing, you're 109 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: not really hitting it. You know, somebody better be uncomfortable. 110 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: Did you grow up in a situation that was remotely 111 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: like this? And then emotionally and most turbulence my parents 112 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: place way My mother cursed a lot, screamed a lot. 113 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: You know. My father, my mother beat us with a 114 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: curtain rod. Yeah, well we got beatings with curtain rods 115 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: and brooms and brushings and hangars or whatever. But me 116 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: and my father, it's weird. My father, his temper towards 117 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: my mother was always controlled, right, what else he could 118 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: lose it? Why do you think it was you wanted 119 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: to protect that? I don't know. I mean, first of all, 120 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean, guys from that era did not view women 121 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: as their equals. They did, and they were loving and 122 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. But they did not view 123 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: women as their equals. Therefore they could actually deal with 124 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: the woman's emotional whatever swings way easier than a guy 125 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: in my age, because I view a woman as my equal. 126 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: So if I'm with a woman and she starts crying, 127 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: I look at her like I'm with you when you 128 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: start crying, don't go female on me. I'm like something, 129 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: I look at her life. I would look at a 130 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: guy that gets emotional. Yeah, I thought, if we were equal, 131 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: then you can't play that car. Don't play the female. 132 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: So I'll just say my father and my grandfather's both 133 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: of them were really delicate with their wives. You know, 134 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: not a child, but close to a child. How it's 135 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: different for you. My wife's my equal, and you know, 136 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, any budding of heads is because I I 137 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: want I'm dealing with you the same way I would 138 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: deal with myself, or I deal with any guy. And 139 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: we're both wrong. What are you gonna do when this 140 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: is over? Do you know how much sure I think 141 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna direct a movie that sort I'm feeling. So 142 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: this is the time in your life, and you do 143 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: all the things you told yourself you'd never do. Play 144 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: on Broadway. Direct a movie. Why do you want to 145 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: direct a movie? I don't know. I put it away. 146 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: If I can get a great director to direct me, 147 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: I'll do it. But once, yeah, once you get to 148 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: the sea list, you might as well do it yourself. 149 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: That's what I say. Yeah, how picky are you about 150 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: the films you do? Because you don't do a lot 151 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: of films. Um, I don't know. I mean I turned 152 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: out a lot, but I don't have a list of 153 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: great films I've turned you turned down regardless of whether 154 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: they're great or not. Do you turn them down? Because 155 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: for you, you always have the stand up thing in 156 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: your pocket and the concert thing in your pocket. You're 157 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: not in any hurry to go out and make a living. 158 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: Most movies suck man, early suck. See. I'm I'm messed 159 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: up because I like to see something I haven't seen 160 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: or haven't seen with a black person. Black people in 161 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: film is still at its really at its infant stage. 162 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: And what do you think, I don't know? You know what, 163 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: here's the thing. You know, you hand a studio person 164 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: of script, and sometimes the studio people are good at 165 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: a time. When you hand somebody as script, they pick 166 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: a person in the movie that they identify with. So 167 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: if you hand a woman a script, if the woman's 168 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: got nine lines in the movie, the first person who 169 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: gives you notes about is the woman. And if you 170 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: hand the boss the script, he's gonna give you notes 171 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: about the main character. And if you hand his assist 172 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: the script is gonna give you notes about some other 173 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: everybody figures out who they are in the movie. Now, 174 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: when you had somebody a black script, they don't relate 175 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: to anybody. That's a very good point. I'm serious, even 176 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: when it's and when you have any seconative who does 177 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: relate to a black person's script, what does that mean 178 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: to you? You You struck gold Well, Really, they just they're 179 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: making a product all of a sudden, That's what I've experienced. 180 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: And when you do, because i mean, there's no black 181 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: studios or whatever, so you end up you always end 182 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: up with just a person trying to make a piece 183 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: of product. They might as well, they might still be 184 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: making an iPads kind of a sustainable stateship business. But 185 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: you seem to me, because you're so smart and so 186 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: clever that you have as much of a white audience 187 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: as you do a black ondies, don't you think so 188 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: in spite of the fact your stand up can be 189 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: pretty tough on white people. Yeah, but I always say 190 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: my stand ups like Chinese food and what's Chinese food? Well, 191 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: Chinese food is one of the most popular foods in 192 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: all of America, and they don't put Americans on their menus. 193 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: People really want Chinese food. They don't put fries and 194 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: grilled cheese, grilled cheese on the menu of the most 195 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: popular Chinese food of people comedy. So I'm just saying, 196 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: when people see people come to Chris's restaurant, think about 197 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: Chris's menure. I'm talking with Chris Rock backstage at the 198 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: Chaunfeld Theater on Street. This is Alec Baldwin and you're 199 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: listening to here's the thing. How old are you know? 200 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm forty six forty six, which means you started and 201 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: you started. I started probably five seven years before I 202 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: got on S and O. But I always I haven't 203 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: been you know, I havn't been poor day since I 204 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: met Laura Michaels. I never broke a lot of his 205 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: stuff sticks with me. What thing he said to me 206 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: is like everybody loses their first money. Now if you're talented, 207 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: you'll make some more. That He's so right, he knows 208 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: more about Let's take a moment to talk about the 209 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: wisdom of Lord Michael. You know, he's always there to 210 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: remind you how you can lose perspective about this business. 211 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: At least in my case. He's very good. But how 212 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: much of things changed in your mind? And not just 213 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: for you but for you specifically, but in the business. 214 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I find a business a 215 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: lot smaller, less movies, less, I mean less stuff that 216 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: relates to me, you know what, Less stuff that relates 217 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: to me. I'll say that for the young people. You know, 218 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: this whole reality thing, I'm not going to dismiss it. 219 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: You know, sound like I'm some old person talking about 220 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: rap music. It's not gonna last, you know what I mean. 221 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: But do you think the same time I don't get it. 222 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: Do you think you'd make it today if you came 223 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: in today? Yeah? Me and Sana, Well that's our little 224 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: tests with each other. We kinda we assessed the stand 225 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: ups we're gonna Yeah, we still got it. I still 226 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, I keep the weight off a little bit. 227 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: You know. That's what I'm trying to do it. Du 228 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: bon Jovi, still doing it, Still doing it, man, Just 229 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: look hot, Just trying to look hot to somebody. You 230 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: don't have to lie. You're still got you still look 231 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: how many kids you have done to nine? Get ready 232 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: nine and get ready by seven? So what are you 233 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: worried about raising your kids in this world? I care 234 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: that they're good with money. I don't care if When 235 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: I say good with money, I just mean you've got 236 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: two dollars and you spend one and you put a dollar. 237 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: But I don't mean that they run Microsoft or they 238 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: flip money and buy a house. I just mean, does 239 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: that come from your childhood? Yes, it comes from my childhood. 240 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: I just mean can they handle their own That's it? 241 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: Because to get out of it's a tough hole to 242 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: get out of, and it's a weird hole for a 243 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: pretty woman to get out of, and they end up 244 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: in relationships with guys they wouldn't have relationship with. There's 245 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: a great line that Anthony Quinn has in Lawrence of 246 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: Arabia where he says, I am a river to my people. Yeah, 247 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of that now. Well, Hey, here's 248 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: the thing. You can only help. Like, I got some 249 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: family right now, guy wouldever losing his house whatever, I'm 250 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: gonna help him move in to wherever he's gonna move into. 251 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm not buying his house because he's never gonna be 252 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: able to fold the house. So yeah, I my, I'm 253 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: a river. But it's a little river. It's a little 254 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: river because when you turn down somebody and they know 255 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: you have the money, this is one thing to go. 256 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: These kids are kicking or whatever, and you don't have 257 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: the money. They know you have the money. It's so 258 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: it's almost like a woman. It's like I know you 259 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: have vagina and you have sex, you just don't want 260 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: to have it with me. I remember I used to 261 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: do a movie and they'd say to me in whatever way, 262 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: what would come back was, Uh, we don't have the 263 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: money for that. And what they really were saying was, 264 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: we don't have the money for that for you, for you, 265 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: we don't we have the exactly for Leo, we're gonna 266 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: sell our houses. Remember, for you, we don't have the money. 267 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: And that's what you're saying to people in your life 268 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: is I don't have the money for you. I don't 269 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: have the money for you. You're not gonna be the 270 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: reason I'm doing some bad Kung Fu movie. Okay? Comedian 271 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: and actor Chris Rock. When we come back, we'll have 272 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: Alex conversation with Jerry Seinfeld from two thousand thirteen. It's 273 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: an understatement to say that Jerry Seinfeld broke the mold. 274 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: His brand of observational comedy is universal and led to 275 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: his success as a stand up comic and in his 276 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: namesake sitcom, Seinfeld The Show About Nothing ran for nine 277 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: seasons and became one of the most memorable, acclaimed, and 278 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: influential series of all time. Following up one success with another, 279 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: Seinfeld then produced and hosted the roving talk show Comedians 280 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: in Cars Getting Coffee, which is exactly what it sounds like, 281 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: for eleven seasons, and he continues to do what he loves, 282 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: touring the nation performing stand up. Here's Alex two thousand 283 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: thirteen conversation with the legendary producer, actor, and comedian Jerry Seinfeld. 284 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: Who makes it in comedy? Who are the ones that 285 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: make it? And it's a change in your lifetime? What 286 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: does it takes in show business? Let's answer that question, 287 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: because I haven't. I'll tell you who's in show business. 288 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: You know it's in show business? Like who wants to 289 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: be more than anyone else? Those are the people that 290 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: are in it. The people that just go, I want 291 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: to be in it. I'm going to be in it. 292 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: Do I have the skill set? Do I have a talent? 293 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: I have something to offer? We'll find out or not. 294 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: But it doesn't I may not take on that with 295 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: between Baccino, I said to him, what do you do 296 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: when you do a movie and the other person isn't 297 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: that good? Like you're doing a scene and I said, 298 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: do you go up to the director and give them notes? 299 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: Say tell them this other? And said, no, I never 300 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: do that. I never do that. No, no, no, I said, 301 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: I said, what do you do? I? I said, what 302 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: do you do when the people that you're working with 303 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: they just I mean, you're so talented, and it's like 304 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: tennis and you and you're and you're hitting the ball 305 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: with some and they're not that talented. And he said, 306 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: I like, like all of us in the business are talented. 307 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: Everybody's talented. Some of us are just more talented than others. 308 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: But everybody in the room when you're working, they've got 309 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: some kind of time, like you'd say he has a 310 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: talent for storytelling, he had a talent for this. But 311 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: you're saying that people who determination is a big part 312 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: of it. I'm saying it's most of the people we 313 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: see in in the arts are there not because they 314 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: had the most to offer, but because they wanted to 315 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: be there the most, you believe. So when you're in 316 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: clubs in your early years and you'd see people who 317 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: were working, did you have did you not? Not that 318 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: you cared about this or you were focused on this, 319 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: but would you Sometimes because my friends who were in 320 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: clubs and who were comics, there was a lot of 321 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: evaluating of each other in the competition. It was very competitive. 322 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: And would you look at people and say, I think 323 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: he's got it or she's got and they're gonna make 324 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: it and they don't or this one doesn't and and 325 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: a big part of your saying is just the drive 326 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: as they wanted. They're a dog on a bone. You 327 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: see a lot of that, don't you think? I think so? Well? 328 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: In the in the movie business, you can see people 329 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: who they put it before everything else, you know, I mean, 330 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: they're not what business, what what field of endeavor? Has 331 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: the highest bullsh factor right in your opinion, Um, because 332 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: you've been in a number of different branches. Now, well, 333 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: I think, well, obviously a government is government higher than 334 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: I think entertainment. Did you enjoy the Anthony Weiner show 335 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: this season or not the show that he put on 336 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: for us when when that was going on? Did you 337 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: were you disgusted? Were you going? I love this? I 338 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: I loved it because to me it was the visible man. 339 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: Let's take off the face of the clock and watch 340 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: the gears. And that's what that was. This is you know, 341 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about people our ownership show business because they 342 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: want to be he wants to have he wants it 343 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: wants and most of most of them have all the 344 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: guyses and veils and and you know, well they pretend 345 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: that what you just hit on a very important point, 346 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: which is that they pretend to some degree that it's selfless. 347 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: That well that also, yeah, that that they don't crave power. 348 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: But the other thing about Weener that I found unusual. 349 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, this is I'm not going to say anything. 350 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm capable of saying anything that hasn't 351 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: been said before. But the idea that you want to 352 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: take pictures of your genitalia and send it to women 353 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: that you barely know. I wonder if there's an unconscious 354 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: part of him that's like, I'm gonna send pictures of 355 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: my genitalia to a couple of women who I don't 356 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: even know that well, and let's see what happens. Let's 357 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: let's roll the dice here. I'm putting all my chips 358 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: on black. I'm all in. I got another pile, and 359 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm all in on sending this chicken picture of my 360 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: you know what of my personality? I don't have that desire, right, 361 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not exacts. It's easier to understand than 362 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: his get off was. Ding. He looks at the phone, Ding, 363 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: let's it just press send? Where where's the thrill? Everybody 364 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: has as some component of them for what I call 365 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: negative excitement, like what's your thing? You want to do 366 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: that that you indulge some weakness of yours? You know 367 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: what I mean? Some people have food issues, they have 368 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: drinking your mind, what would be yours? Uh? I don't 369 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: think I mean beyond tomato sauce. Maybe, yeah, that's not that. 370 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: Yeah you are. And for people who don't know you 371 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: see This is the thing that, in all honesty, I 372 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: always when I think about you, the list of things 373 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: I think about is, is how not just professional and 374 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: committed in all those other kind of lame were you know, 375 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: lazier words, but how you know, just just focused and 376 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: hard working. You are like a lot of people look 377 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: at you and view you as someone who is but 378 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: let's be very candid. You're someone people people view you 379 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: as someone who is this incredibly gifted person. I love 380 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: this show, right, and no you are. But the point 381 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: is that you like you don't work like you do 382 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: things like like you going on a trip to go 383 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: do some gigs. It's kind of a thing. You're probably 384 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: just doing a favor for someone. I think that's more you. 385 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that's the general perception. I think that's you. 386 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: I think your image of me or what you think. Yeah, 387 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: I think that's your sense I'm projecting. Yeah, I think 388 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: you're projecting. But you know that that's not me. No, no, 389 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: not at all. You know that I love to work. 390 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: You've incredibly so, but but not um, I'm not driven 391 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: by anything very healthy healthy, I'm not driving by anything unwholesome. 392 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: But you're healthier. But you are healthier than anybody else 393 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: I've ever met in your profession. Everybody else I've met 394 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: in your profession, it was you could do Saturday Night 395 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: Live and be roaming the hallways of that building. Yeah, 396 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: for over the course of you know, it's really more 397 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: like four days, not a full week. And you're around 398 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: them other people. I did a sitcom with other people. 399 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: I've been around a lot of people who make their 400 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: living in comedy. I made films with them, and some 401 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: of them, you'd be around them. You know, within ten 402 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: minutes you understood what was really their deepest problem that 403 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: they hadn't resolved. Some of them took a question a 404 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: few days. You don't have any problems, No, I don't, 405 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: but I do relate very deeply to to all of 406 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: those people describe. In fact, I was watching the Emmy's. 407 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: Is the only part of the Emmys that I like 408 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: When they do the Comedy Writing Award and each Comedy 409 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: Writing staff puts up funny pictures, and then when the 410 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: the actual staff comes up on the stage and you 411 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: see these gnome like cretans just kind of all misshapen, 412 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: and and I go, this is me, this is who 413 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: I am, This is that's my group people. Yeah, but 414 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: you don't. Yeah, do you see that in me? Oh okay, 415 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: well then you've learned something here today. What did I learn? 416 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: You learned that despite maybe I am healthy and somewhat functional, 417 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: but I can I see myself as one of those 418 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: guys that that that that group of Colbert Report writers 419 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: that are us. It looks like would never let them 420 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: speak Colbert musticks. Now those that's where I want to 421 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: hang out with those guys. You do, Yeah, like Barry, Yeah, yeah, 422 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: you're more comfortable with the berries of that. I'm only comfortable, 423 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: only comfortable with those people. Really. Yeah, describe Barry, you 424 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: have a special relation. Harry Martyr is my very special friend. 425 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: Barry is the author of the Letters from a Nutbook 426 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: under the nom de plume ted L Nancy, and he 427 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: is um. He's also fascinating compilation of function and dysfunction, 428 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: which any interesting person is. UM. He's a guy Who's 429 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: what I love about Barries. I can call him right 430 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: now it's eleven thirty that he will just say hello. 431 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: He's always there, always at home. He's got a red couch. 432 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: His living room looks like a murder scene. This you know, Uh, 433 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: very scary looking stains on a white ug. He lives 434 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: into Lucca Lake to Luca Lake and we talk every day, 435 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: usually an hour on a good day, two hours. And 436 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: um we were talking yesterday about the chantics, the quit 437 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: smoking drug commercial where they list the side effects, and 438 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: one of the ones that people have experienced with chantics 439 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: is weird dreams. And now we're trying to figure out, well, 440 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: what's a weird dream? And do they have a hotline 441 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: that you can call up? Say, Bob, I got a 442 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: guy here's you know, woke up? He dreamt he had 443 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: orangutank feet. Is that weird? And he goes, no, I've 444 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: had that one. You know, that's that's weird. Who who 445 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: doesn't have weird dreams? There's no dream, it's not weird. 446 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: More of Alex conversation with Jerry Seinfeld after the break. 447 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the 448 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: Thing on the TV show. Seinfeld, Jerry, Elaine Cramer, and 449 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: George were characters driven largely by unabashed self interest. Come on, 450 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: let's go do something. I don't want to just sit 451 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: around here. I want to go get something to eat. 452 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: Where you want to go? I don't care, I'm not hungry. 453 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: Growing up, Jerry Seinfeld's own family life served as a 454 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: useful model of just that. Look, my mother is an orphan. 455 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: My father left the house probably eleven years old to 456 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: work on the street and make a living on the 457 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: Lower east Side. You know, they got married in their forties. 458 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: They had no concept of what a family should even be. 459 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: And all I craved was the same fierce independence that 460 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: they had in their lives. They rested on instructible, indstructible, 461 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: self contained, self reliant people. This is not great going 462 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 1: into a marriage, may I say? You know? And I 463 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: was that guy saying, well, I gotta go now, I 464 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: gotta go to work. And you don't think that this 465 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: might be a problem for a person that's not used 466 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: to being around that. So it took me a long 467 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: time to learn that. You know that you have to 468 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: be understand because to me, to me, this life, my life, 469 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: what I would call my life in comedy, is a 470 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: life of sacrifice that I am only too happy to make. 471 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: All my relationships I got married at forty five. All 472 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: my relationships were as disposable as a dixie cup. Excuse me? 473 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: With women you make yes, I gotta work. You've gone. 474 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: But well if you don't, if you don't want you know, well, 475 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: if you if you're gonna be on the road that much, 476 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: we can't be together. Goodbye, goodbye. This is this my 477 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: I have had a sense of mission. You were like 478 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: Lee Strasburg in The Godfather Part two. Yes, he say, 479 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: if I come back here, I have a partner. I 480 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: have a partner. If it's not, I'll know, I don't, 481 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: I'll know. I don't what he said, I'm going in 482 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: the other room. It's the last time I really out 483 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: of shape. Man took his shirt off in a movie 484 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: and it wasn't bad. Hair on the top of the shoulders, 485 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: a little little little like a little tumbleweeds of hair. Yeah, 486 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: did you know him? Did you know when I studied 487 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: acting at this school on fifte Street. When I went 488 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: to n y U, I went to Strasburg. They assigned 489 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: you to the studio. You went to Adler Strasberg's up. 490 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: I went to Strasburg, and I had wonderful teachers, Marsha 491 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: how Freckt and Jeffrey horn Is a wonderful too, beautiful people. 492 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: But you know the method of Strasburg was very uh severe. 493 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: Did it work for you one of the well, it 494 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: opened up your eyes to the idea of whatever word 495 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: you want to use. I'm never going to use the 496 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: right word for everyone. To mind your past and mind 497 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: your emotional fabric to get where you want to go. 498 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: Whereas Strasburg and Stanislavski, both people don't necessarily stumble across 499 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: this fine print and all these writings of their where 500 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: What Stanislavski and Strasbourg both said is that the method, 501 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: so to speak, is something that you apply only if 502 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: the inspiration fails you. You don't you don't need to 503 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: go off into a room and twist yourself into some 504 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: kind of psychological pretzel to do this work. If you 505 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: can just say the words and you're there, you feel 506 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: connected to the character in and of yourself. Do you 507 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: do you have a desire as an actor to be 508 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: one of those guys, one of those I'm gonna take 509 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: my rib cage and separated. When I was younger, I 510 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: did you did When I was younger? I did did 511 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: you feel you there was there was there a role 512 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: where you felt you got close to that? When I 513 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: did street Car named Desire on Broadway and Amy Madigan, 514 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: I would scream stella stella for her to come downstairs, 515 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: and Amy would come and the minute I would touch Amy, 516 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: I'd burst into tears. Remember I didn't I loved Amy 517 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 1: more than any woman I ever loved, you know, at 518 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: that moment, I mean and it was real. I was 519 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: in love with Amy. Do you think I'm capable of 520 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: that kind of work? I think you are. Be a 521 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: tremendous mistake your car, it would be a huge would 522 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: be one of the poorest choices probably in show business history, 523 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: for you to go and to sell. You want to know, 524 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: what do you want to do? A street car? On um? 525 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: I was in an acting class where a guy did 526 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: have me play Brick, but that's cataa hot tin roof. 527 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: He because I was able to handle the light comedy 528 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: so easily, he said you, I need to challenge you more. 529 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: So he had me and he said, I want you 530 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: to study the role of Brick. Wasn't that the name 531 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: of the character street and the Yeah, Maggie and Brick. Yeah. 532 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: Well that's when I left that. There's a girl I 533 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: could you'll you'll appreciate this because you're from Long Island. 534 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: And I met this woman, uh many years later and 535 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: even she laughed about it. So I can say this, 536 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: remember Pergament's hardware storm. Okay, I went to I went 537 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: to college. I went to g W for three years 538 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: and I went and I took my last year there, 539 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: my junior year before I climbed over the wall there 540 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: and went to end. While you to study acting, I 541 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: took acting for non drama majors. It was a gut 542 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: course you take at g W. I took acting for 543 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: non drama majors. And everyone in the class. This was 544 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that gave me the impetus to 545 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 1: be an actor, because everyone in the class was so 546 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: horrible and I could, I could. I squeaked by like 547 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't that bad. I was okay in terms of performing. 548 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: And the teacher said to me, I want you to 549 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: do a scene from Canada Hutton roof of Maggie Brick scene. 550 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: And your partner is Debbie Pergamant, who was the daughter 551 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: and I don't want to call her the heir to 552 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: the pergam And fortune, but let's just say that for 553 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: our comedy purposes, Debbie Pergamant and literally she was this 554 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: lovely girl, adorable, gorgeous, really cute as the day is long. 555 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: But she was from you know, like Roslyn or somewhere. 556 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: So when she would say she was the only person 557 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: who made brick a bi syllabic where she was like 558 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: brick brick, I am like a cat's on a Hudson 559 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: roof here, I am so upset. Debbie Pergamant was who 560 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: was my partner in a scene study class? And it 561 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: was it was I open. So where do we want 562 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: to go now? Your your career now? Um you you 563 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: you're seeing another carridor for yourself? Is something you want 564 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: to explore, something you have to offer or be honest 565 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: with me. Are you just tired and you just don't 566 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: want to travel and slap and deal with these idiots 567 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: you want to know? The truth is I want to 568 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: be more like you, really, because you are a very 569 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: happy like I look at you when I see to myself, 570 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: everything is always like, why aren't you doing what other 571 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: people do? What? Meaning? Like the first thing people would 572 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: say in the business, I mean even outside the business, 573 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: if they have some savvy about it, what they say, 574 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: did Jerry want to ramp up a production company and 575 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: just print TV shows? I mean, I mean how many 576 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: sitcoms could you have? Launched with the promoter of your name. 577 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: Forget it. Forget it. You can have your own channel, 578 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: the Jerry Channel. But I didn't take that bait. Why 579 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: because I know what it is. I know what it is. 580 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: That's what if you can't pull that over on me? 581 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: What what is? I've sat in all the chairs, I've 582 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: been in all the rooms. I know what it is. 583 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: Look alec you you've you've been there, right, Yes, you 584 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: can't trick me into thinking thinking what that's that's good? Why? 585 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: Because don't Most of it is not creative work and 586 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: not reaching an audience. You want to be on the water. 587 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: How do you want to be on the water. You 588 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: want to be on a yacht. You want to be 589 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: on a surfboard. I want to be on a surfboard. 590 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with the yacht. That's a yacht. 591 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: And you just also some people want a yacht to say, 592 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: to see my yacht, And you just didn't want people 593 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: do you. And you also didn't want to ultimately wind 594 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: up putting your name as is often the case. Look 595 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 1: at which if you're the goose that lays the golden egg, 596 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: you're the successful person, and it all emanates you're the godhead, 597 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: if you will, comedy wise, and you go launch all 598 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: these other shows, and all those other shows they aren't 599 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: maybe as good, they're not, And how much of your name? 600 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: But well, why doesn't he want to do it? How 601 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: much would we have to even get much for you 602 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: to be in the performs just to whatever it is? Yeah, 603 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Let me tell you why my TV 604 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: series in the nineties was so good bespides an inordinate 605 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: amount of just pure good fortune. In most TV series, 606 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: fifty percent of the time is spent working on the show. 607 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: Fifty percent of the time is spent dealing with personality, political, 608 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: and hierarchical issues of making something. We spent our time 609 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: writing me and Larry the door was closed, some somebody calls. 610 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: We're not taking the call. We're gonna We're gonna make 611 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: this seem funny. That's why the show was good. I 612 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: didn't want to go from that two. Um you know 613 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: some some H. G. Wells contraption machine you know of 614 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: of trying to control the weather. That's what that's what 615 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: these these deals are. That's what making a movie is. 616 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: It's a movie. It's this giant machine, is this giant 617 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: ship and everybody gets on it and they shove off 618 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: and nobody knows where it's going. And the captain is 619 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: doing where's the captain? He's getting high and and and 620 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: and you know, and sleeping with the first mate. He's 621 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: his sleep period. Yeah, So it's too much time and 622 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: energy spent on that is not the juice. The really 623 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: good stuff is a great line. So when you go 624 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: out that stand up comedian, I can control that. So 625 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: when you go out on stage now, so for now, 626 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: for you, other than whatever other things you're involved with, 627 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 1: writing or comedians and cars with coffee and so forth, 628 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: you go out on stage, you perform live. How many 629 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: shows you do on average? Would you say, I'm not sure. 630 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: It varies, but you're on the road how many how 631 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: many shows a year? Um? Maybe sent so so you 632 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: do seventy five appearances a year? And is it just 633 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: very simply a case where you walk out there, that 634 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: exchange of energy between you and then they want what 635 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: you've got, you want what they've got. You're at home, 636 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: you feel comfortable, you're happy. It's a it's a it's 637 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: it's a very fulfilling, uh unsolvable puzzle that is endlessly Um. 638 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: It just because it was right to your soul. Does 639 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: every night need to be different? If you can make it? So? 640 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: Do you try to make it different? Says there's nothing 641 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: I can do about that. It's gonna be different. It's 642 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: gonna be different. But if I can get them right 643 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: where I want them and and get myself where I 644 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: want myself, and the thing just explodes, Well, you know, 645 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: it's fun. That's life. People who perform live. I'll never forget. 646 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: There was an article like an Esquire magazine or somewhere, 647 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: and they did an article about Wayne Newton and they 648 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: took it was about Vegas, and I think it was 649 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: about Wayne Newton, and I love this article. And they 650 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: weren't mean toward him, were diminishing him, and they were 651 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: saying how they thought it was uncanny how the guy 652 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: went to the show in Vegas with a stopwatch and 653 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: Newton came out and you did the same thing every show, 654 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: the same exact thing, the same exact beats. It was 655 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: just it was just he just cloned one show after 656 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: that and he would come out, but he would create 657 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: the dynamic tension that this show was different, and he 658 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: come out on stage and people will be screaming and 659 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: the women are throwing their panties and they're throwing their 660 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: hotel room keys. Had him his crowd, and then he 661 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: sit there and he'd say, um, um, you know, we 662 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: gotta we gotta wrap this up. But you know, I 663 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: love you people. I'm gonna do someth I'm gonna sing 664 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: a song I never sing anymore. And the song he 665 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: just sang, like you know, ninety minutes ago, I must 666 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: sing a number for you guys. I never sing anymore. 667 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: I never would never break this one out anymore. And 668 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: he just re created the same, uh you know, mock 669 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: freshness of the whole thing, which many performers. I assume 670 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: they do that. Yeah, he used to say to him, 671 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: locked the doors, they don't want me to go long. 672 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: But but this audience, I don't, I don't. I'm gonna 673 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: do something I never do. I'm breaking the rules. Yeah, 674 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: And of course you would write on the button you 675 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: performed in Vegas all the time. So they throw the 676 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: hotel room key. How desperate is this entertainer, by the way, 677 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: to just pick up fifteen D and go I'm heading 678 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: over there. I'm going over there, which one of you 679 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: was fifteen D. Oh you I'm sorry, let me give 680 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: you your key back. I'm sorry. I don't want that 681 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: kid coming up. More from Jerry Seinfeld. He's got so 682 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: many years of stand up under his belt. When he 683 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 1: travels as he does most weekends, every move is planned. 684 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: It is organized with military precision, not an ounce on 685 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: the day. It's three guys, three suits, three garment bags. 686 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: We're in, we're out, and we have a great time. 687 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: We worked very hard. It's zero dark thirty. Yeah, get 688 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: in loud and go thinker with the dead bodies bag. 689 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing. This is what I was given 690 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: from the TV series, that I could live like this 691 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: now on my own terms. That that's what we're looking 692 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: for on my own term term. Right, God, that's such 693 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: a foreign concept to me. Yes, the lack of an 694 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: actor is anything but anything but right. But this is 695 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: where we're moving now with Alec God. Yeah, my god, 696 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: on my own terms. More wisdom from Jerry Seinfeld in 697 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: a moment, This is Alec Baldwin. Take a listen to 698 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: our archive more in depth conversations with artists, policy makers, 699 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: and performers like Patty Lapone, Erica Young, and Debbie Reynolds. 700 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, it's great to stay in Blake. 701 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning. Look fun you see, I can't 702 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: sing to save my life if you put a gun 703 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,439 Speaker 1: to my head and said saying are you almost saying 704 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 1: go too? Here's the thing dot org. Here's the thing 705 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: is supported by Capital one offering the venture card from 706 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: Capital one. What's in your wallet? Information about benefits at 707 00:40:25,920 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: Capital one venture card dot com. This is Alec Baldwin 708 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: and you're listening to Here's the Thing. When Jerry Seinfeld 709 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: was ten years old old, he started feverishly studying the 710 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: techniques of stand up comedians on TV, devouring it everything. 711 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: It's like, just like my daughter does. Now, my daughter 712 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: has totally got whatever that gene I had, She's got it. 713 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,439 Speaker 1: She can do any voice, accent, takes lines. Her brother 714 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: said to her, this one. She's wearing glass. She has glasses. 715 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: Her brother said, he said, are those are those real glasses? 716 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: She looked at him, She said, what do you think 717 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: that's she's twelve, She's she's not ready to go play 718 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: iron Rand at the local library. And the fake glasses. 719 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: But um, okay, so my house, Um I assume my 720 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: my childhood was my relationship to my parents, was you 721 00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. I'll do what I got 722 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: to do, and I'm just living here till I can 723 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: figure something else out. That was my house, and to me, 724 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: that was great. We've talked about this. You and I 725 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: was very independent. My father never hugged me, never told 726 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: me he loved me, never threw me a ball. No problem. 727 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. He's you're good. I'm 728 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: watching you, gonta do whatever some time together? Right? Who 729 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: was the guy who blew the horn in the in 730 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: the when the tower and the tower fell over? Remember 731 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: at the beginning of each show, I forget what was it? 732 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: Was it Larry? It was another No, Larry Storch was 733 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: a garn he was an There was another Larry was 734 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: Captain Parmenter. Captain Parmenter. He wasn't really funny. But there 735 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: was another guy, another Larry, who was at the top 736 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: of the time the tower would fall over because he 737 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: was very kind of vanilla looking. Yeah, it wasn't. It 738 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: wasn't Larry Wilcox. He went on to do Chips. No, No, 739 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: it was another Larry anyway, But yeah, I was Abbert 740 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: and Costello was I really became obsessed with them because 741 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: of the precision word play they were see that's where 742 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: they went beyond there was there was Laurel and Hardy 743 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: and then Martin Lewis, but Aben and Costello had this precision. 744 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, who's on first is a piece of It's 745 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: like that that museum in Spain, you know, the what 746 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, the no, the other one that what's his name? 747 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: Did that? Yeah? Whose real name is Goldberg? By the way, 748 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: really yes it is. He changed it in college, Frank Frank, Yeah, 749 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: the what's the name of that museum in northern Billo. Yeah, anyway, 750 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: that's what Who's on first? This? It's like what a construction, 751 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: What a brilliant piece of construction. So and when I 752 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: heard things like that, I um, I just would get 753 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 1: very excited that you could do things like that with words, 754 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: ideas and attitudes and and have laughs, you know, I 755 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: have laughs. I remember when I was a kid and 756 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: my dad would go to work and my brothers and 757 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: sisters would go to school, and my mom was lonely. 758 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: M I probably missed school like thirty or forty days 759 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 1: a year. You did, and it was a game. I 760 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: was totally foolish. I said to my mom I don't 761 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: feel good. Remember like, all right, you get in there 762 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: and go to the breakfast table and pretend you're going 763 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: to school until your father and then when he's gone, 764 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: you can go back upstairs. And I would go and 765 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: lie on the couch and they would show the same 766 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: movie five days in a row. So the housewives who 767 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: could only catch a piece of it here and a 768 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: piece so they show Inherit the Wind, And by Friday 769 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 1: I was laying in bed. I missed school for three days. 770 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: And Friday Spencer Tracy would say, this man wants to 771 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 1: be afforded the same rights as a sponge. He wishes 772 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: to think, and my lip sync the words I knew that. 773 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm like the Door. I became a complete movie, so 774 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 1: that to where it began. And then we got into 775 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,439 Speaker 1: the arrand spelling years. I abandoned. He never watched TV again. 776 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: No Charlie's Angels, And now what do you watch? Uh? 777 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: Now I come into your house. It's ten forty five 778 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: at night. Everyone's the wife, kids, babies of sleep. I'm reading, 779 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: you're reading. I'm reading on the internet. I read, I 780 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 1: read them, I read a book, or I read the 781 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: New York or to get me to sleep reading, we 782 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: get full asleep. But when I watched TV, God, when NFL, 783 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: I watched Makeup Hoements for NFL sixty minutes. I watched MSNBC. 784 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: I watch Uh, I've watched snippets of these shows, you know, 785 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: like Breaking Bad and these contemporary you know, these jobs. 786 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: They don't. I don't have time. I don't have time. 787 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 1: I don't don't I don't understand either, And I don't 788 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: know where are they find in the time. Did you 789 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: download House to Cards now? Eight hours is the first episode? Yeah, 790 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: I can't do What are they doing? What kind of 791 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: how long are their days? Well? Always weld get that 792 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: I would always be flattered for a moment. There was 793 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: always a double beat there. When someone would walk up 794 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 1: to me with Lauren and they woke up, they'd say. 795 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: Lauren would say, you know Dave here, Dave Swanson from 796 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, from Comcast, and I'd go high, nice to 797 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: meet you. And he turned to Lauren and go, god, 798 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: you guys, I gotta tell you. My son broke his 799 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: leg skiing and he was in bed. He was in traction. 800 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: And we watched seasons two and three or thirty Rock 801 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: and I thought I'd smile and then I thought, well, 802 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: that's how you get to watch season's two or three. 803 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: You gotta go and break your leg skiing. You gotta 804 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: go wrap yourself around a tree. Then you can lay 805 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: in back and binge view all this. I don't understand 806 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: how people are fitting this into their day. So there's 807 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: not even one show that your I really love Madmen 808 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: because that was my dream growing up on Long Island 809 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,400 Speaker 1: was to get us Sampson I briefcase going along Island Railroad. 810 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,360 Speaker 1: I was going to go in the city and I 811 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: was gonna work at a big ad agency and right 812 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: funny ads. That was my first dream. That was because 813 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: stand up comedy that I was seeing on the Sullivan Show. 814 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: That was too far out. That was these are some 815 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 1: genius alien people. I could never be one of those. 816 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get that, but maybe I could be 817 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 1: a copywriter or or something in the ad game. I 818 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: love advertising. I like I like man I love Manhattan. 819 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 1: You remember, growing up in Massapeko, Manhattan was was oz 820 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,800 Speaker 1: it was the Emerald City. Tell people when we were kids, 821 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: there was no Bergen County correspondent. The Martians could have 822 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 1: landed out in in in in in Hempstead. No one 823 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: cared that the Martians did land in because they knew 824 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,840 Speaker 1: there were no cameras out there. When you grew up 825 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,359 Speaker 1: in our generation, it was like the mayor announced today 826 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: of the subway. Today, the cops shot on the I 827 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: n D. The prepetating this, the bank robbery, this, And 828 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,439 Speaker 1: it was all Manhattan, Manhattan, the garden today the heavyweight shot. 829 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 1: Everything was Manhattan, not even the other outer boroughs, right. 830 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,800 Speaker 1: And when you lived where we lived, that was Saskatchewan. 831 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,439 Speaker 1: To the media, remember Alan Burke, did Jevers Allen Burke, Yes, 832 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 1: And they would come up and they never correctly estimated 833 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,400 Speaker 1: the average height of New York of the podium was 834 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: always way too high. Mr Bike, I just came in 835 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: from Mars where the Taxi and Limousine Commission there they 836 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 1: right back from New York issue. What were we saying before? 837 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: I just lost my train of though. When we were 838 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: talking about before you said about New York and Madman. Now, 839 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: oh yeah, so Madman that is my fans said. When 840 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 1: did you cross over and decide I could do the 841 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 1: other thing? Um? It was beginning in college, Queen's College. 842 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: What did you study there? A theater, communications, film all 843 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,879 Speaker 1: that stuff. I was. I was circling the field, you know, going, 844 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,959 Speaker 1: how do I How could I? I wonder if I could? 845 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,320 Speaker 1: You know, did you decide? And then there was Andy Kaufman. 846 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: Then Andy Kaufman happened. There's this guy in New York 847 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 1: who goes up on stage and he plays the bongos 848 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: and starts weeping. He's crazy to So we all ran 849 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: in to see Andy Kaufman at the improv. And as 850 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: soon as I walked in that room and I saw 851 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: what was going on in there, I gotta get in 852 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, I want to be one of these. 853 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: And when you got up there and finally through whatever 854 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: apprenticeship you had, and when you got up there and 855 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: you did that was your a moment where like some 856 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,719 Speaker 1: guy comes up to you. I don't want me to 857 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,800 Speaker 1: be too Broadway Danny Rosen. Yes there was. Did some 858 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: guy welcome to and go kid call me? Yes? There was? 859 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 1: And you know who that guy was, Jackie Mason. Jackie 860 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:26,360 Speaker 1: Mason alec I was doing comedy about three weeks. Three weeks, 861 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 1: and I mean stumbling nobody three weeks. I'm nineteen years old, 862 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: twenty years old of going up on stage. But there 863 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,759 Speaker 1: wasn't even a stage. There was a restaurant where they 864 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 1: take a table out and they would take one of 865 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,880 Speaker 1: the lights, the lamp and they would take the shade 866 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: off it. That was the show. He was in the 867 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: audience people right, was one of these cabaret things West 868 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 1: forty four Ster was called the Golden Lion Pub. He 869 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: crooks his finger and he says, come over here. He 870 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: takes me over to the bar. He says, you have it. 871 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: He says, you are going to be so big. He says, 872 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,839 Speaker 1: it makes me sick to even think of it, how 873 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,280 Speaker 1: successful you're gonna be. And I was just starting wow. 874 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: And that I mean, that was that was it because 875 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,760 Speaker 1: he was, like, you know, he was very big comedian. 876 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 1: It's still one of my favorites, a great comedian. But 877 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 1: to have a guy like that come up to you 878 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: as a kid, I had that. That's still you know 879 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,480 Speaker 1: when I talked to you about I went in the 880 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,960 Speaker 1: improv and I saw all these guys and I thought, 881 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: I want to be one of these guys. That's still 882 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 1: how I feel now. Was there a moment when for 883 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: me one of the real pure joys of this business 884 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: are the people I've gotten to me and I don't 885 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: want to, you know, go on and on on. But 886 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,360 Speaker 1: were there people who came to you that were like 887 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,640 Speaker 1: these godlike figures to you? Were you just admired them 888 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: from your world They came up to you and said, hey, man, 889 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,239 Speaker 1: they wait to You said, it could be it could 890 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: be Carson across the room. Well, Jack Rollins, who I 891 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: looked up because I saw your movie which I loved, 892 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: Blue Jasmine. You were great, And I see, like Jack 893 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: Rollins in the credit, like I look, he's still alive. 894 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: His daughter was a waitress at a comedy club on 895 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,800 Speaker 1: the Upper East Side, and she brought him in to 896 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: see me and Larry Miller and Jimmy Broken and he 897 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: watched the three of us, and then he sat and 898 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 1: talked with us afterwards, and he was very encouraging, very flattering. 899 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,800 Speaker 1: That was really big because we were in about a 900 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 1: year at that point. We didn't know. There was no 901 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 1: business to get into even if we could do this 902 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,799 Speaker 1: didn't even exist. There was no place to work as 903 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 1: a stand up comic in seven didn't even exist. It 904 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 1: happened in the eighties. Once they were all these guys 905 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,279 Speaker 1: around then these clubs started opening around the country. What 906 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,839 Speaker 1: about someone else, someone beyond year old man have exist. 907 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: In the credits of a Woody Allen movie, who was 908 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,440 Speaker 1: some iconic stand up figure. I saw Richard Pryor and 909 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 1: in those days, um he would come into the clubs 910 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: and we would say, George Carlin. No, we never said 911 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: anything to me, but just to meet, to be those people. 912 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: Was there one at some point who give other than 913 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 1: Mason said you've got it? Was no, no, no. If 914 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: you don't need that any any self respecting professional comedian, 915 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: you don't need that. You don't need anyone or anything. 916 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,239 Speaker 1: You are built for brutality. You have this relationship with 917 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: the audience that is private between you and them. You 918 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 1: critics want to write, people want to talk. We we 919 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: have our own thing that nobody, nobody can break that. 920 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,760 Speaker 1: Once you build that, it can't be broken by outside forces. 921 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: This is the difference between being a comedian that has 922 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,560 Speaker 1: his own thing and everybody else in the entertainment field 923 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:54,919 Speaker 1: who needs to cooperate. Our thanks to Jerry Seinfeld. Thank 924 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 1: you for listening to this week's Summer staff pick. Here's 925 00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,799 Speaker 1: the Thing is brought to you by I Heart Radio. 926 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,760 Speaker 1: We're produced by Kathleen russo Zach McNeice and Maureen Hoban. 927 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,960 Speaker 1: Our engineer, well that's me, Frank Imperial. Our social media 928 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: manager is Danielle Gingrich. Alec Baldwin will be back next week. 929 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:13,600 Speaker 1: M