WEBVTT - Lots to Say:  It's a Madden Thanksgiving!

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<v Speaker 1>Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>We Got Lots to save, We got lots to save?

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<v Speaker 3>What the backer here? And we hope you say because

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<v Speaker 3>we got lost?

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<v Speaker 1>Just say, yeah, we got lots to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Bobby and that.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody welcome. We are getting an episode before Thanksgiving, which

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<v Speaker 1>feels good. Well, this show comes out on a Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are you doing for Thanksgiving? I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>out in California with the family. You guys have Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 1>over there? We do.

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<v Speaker 4>It's shockingly even with the weather still being like seventy degrees,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't feel like the Holidays. I'd like to say,

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<v Speaker 1>no place that gets that doesn't get below fifty, you

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have Thanksgiving. I would that's your rule. That's my rule.

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<v Speaker 1>If it doesn't get below it doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>below fifty on Thanksgiving. But if your city never gets

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<v Speaker 1>below fifty, you should not get to celebrate things getting Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they got the.

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<v Speaker 4>La Nina out there right now, so maybe they do

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<v Speaker 4>drop temperatures and it'll get to like forty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>In the morning. Acceptable, But until then, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>go back up. Yeah, what do you guys do? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the what's the tradition? You know what?

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<v Speaker 4>The last few years, my wife's been taking the kids

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<v Speaker 4>out there because I'm normally traveling for season, but I

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<v Speaker 4>happen to have a game out there. We've got UCLA

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<v Speaker 4>Washington at UCLA this weekend prior to Thanksgiving, so I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just going to stay out there, and my whole family's

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<v Speaker 4>coming out on Friday, so we get together, we see

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<v Speaker 4>both sides of the family, will probably do a Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 4>on Wednesday, and then my wife staying for Thursday. I've

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<v Speaker 4>got to go actually back to New York to go

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<v Speaker 4>do studio Friday, Yes, and then guess what, I'm coming

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<v Speaker 4>right back for US UCLA. Oh do they at least

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<v Speaker 4>give you a lay down bed? No, No, it's just

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<v Speaker 4>Southwest probably. I don't know LA New York. No, I

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<v Speaker 4>have no idea what they're flying me out on. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god, I haven't got that far ahead yet. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to be a lot of travel. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it is what it is. What are you doing? We're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna go to Oklahoma?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Joe with me? I don't even sing it right,

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<v Speaker 1>stupid song plays all the time because Oklahoma's actually good

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<v Speaker 1>at football. It sucks. They are good, Yeah suck, It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't suck. I root for them because of my father

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<v Speaker 1>in law, not because of my wife. I want everybody

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<v Speaker 1>to know this. I root for them because of my

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<v Speaker 1>father in law because I am happy when he is happy.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife like rubs it in. Oh, she talks a

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<v Speaker 1>little smack. Well, we're not good, not good. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>just an easy target at that point. And she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what it's like to have to wait for

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<v Speaker 1>a game that's at six but you already know you're

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<v Speaker 1>out of it. Kind of stuff that burns deep too.

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<v Speaker 1>So it just like it's a I'm my guts are

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<v Speaker 1>all confused on who to root for and not. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do root for them because I want my father

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<v Speaker 1>in law to feel good. So but they play that

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<v Speaker 1>song all the time. Okay, h I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>it goes. But we'll go to Oklahoma and we'll go

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<v Speaker 1>to Fatteville. We'll do both. Yeah, and luckily they're close,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll do that and you know, eat food and

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<v Speaker 1>come back home. But it won't be anything crazy. My

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<v Speaker 1>wife's very pregnant, So it's not like you can do lot.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not gonna do much, but you're gonna eat some

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<v Speaker 4>food and hang out and.

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<v Speaker 1>Be merry and watch football, watch football one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>We have Scott Porter coming up in a second. So

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Porter was in Friday Night Lights, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to admit this now, I've never seen an episode. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell him that I won't. And when he comes on,

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<v Speaker 1>we just finished the interview when they were there. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember them being there and I'd probably interviewed them a

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<v Speaker 1>time or two. But I've never seen an episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Friday Night Lights. And I'm not anti Friday Night Lights.

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<v Speaker 1>I never watched it new then when I got old

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<v Speaker 1>at other shows I wanted to watch.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a good beinge watch to be honest. They

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<v Speaker 4>do a good job with the characters and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>It's entertaining a lot of drama mixed in with some football.

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<v Speaker 4>So I mean, I I've watched some episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife. Have you not seen every episod?

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<v Speaker 4>No, not at all. I figured my wife, I think

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<v Speaker 4>seen every season. She used to binge watch. So like

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<v Speaker 4>if you come in and see the treadmill rolling the

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<v Speaker 4>peloton over there and she's walking it out. She was

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<v Speaker 4>for months on end was watching Friday Night Lights.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin, you watch it. I didn't watch all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I watched some of it. But the movie is

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<v Speaker 1>my top three. Movie was awesome. Yeah, but the show

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched like I think maybe one season. My like

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<v Speaker 1>my morning show. People they think it's their favorite show,

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<v Speaker 1>all of them and they're like usual, it's still so

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<v Speaker 1>great and so uh. He played Jason Street. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback that was in the wheelchair. Yes, he was

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<v Speaker 1>basically Drake under grassy. Dang, dang, you went there? What?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, dang, that's a that's deep, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. Yeah, that's either. I just know that

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<v Speaker 1>Drake was in a wheelchair on the grass and he

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<v Speaker 1>said dang.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I don't even know he's referencing, so

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<v Speaker 4>you went there, Maybe that'll spark something.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't like, what do you mean? I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know. I also, he's not gonna remember this.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I justad we just talk to him, so I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of acting like we haven't talked to him yet. But

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<v Speaker 1>I did a movie called Band Slam where I had

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<v Speaker 1>nine lines. Was he in any of the scenes, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>briefly in one, but we were to I had my

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<v Speaker 1>own trailer, like I was Fringe principal. Okay, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was considered a principle. I was on the sheet and

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<v Speaker 1>they gave me a trailer because I had to work

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<v Speaker 1>like three days on saying I'm not an actor. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never claimed to be an actor. I never really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be an actor, and I've ended up acting a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've done like three episodes of Nashville, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>played different people on that show if you look, because

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<v Speaker 1>that shows on Netflix now, Nashville. Okay, at first, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like a random reporter who's like, hey, the parallel is

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<v Speaker 1>Connie Brittens in both shows. Okay, she plays Randon James

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<v Speaker 1>and Nashville and she's the mom and Friday Night Lights,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, right, Yes, So I played reporter in the

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<v Speaker 1>first one episode and then in another episode, I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else. But then at the end that's different character.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's but at the end of I'm playing myself

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<v Speaker 1>really and I have real lines with Rana James. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's cool. At least you get to play yourself. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't any easier. It wasn't no, because it was weird.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what I do, right, And so all the

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<v Speaker 1>cameras and you're working with real actors and they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>their thing, and all you don't want to do is

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't want to mess it up. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>ever mess up your line? And you're like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know going to mess it up? But I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I was good at it. But this movie Band

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<v Speaker 1>Slam that we did with Vanessa Hudgens and Phoebe from

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<v Speaker 1>Friends like Sekudro, Yeah, I had nine lines. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I had like fourteen, but they cut five five of them. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so basically you crushed. It was fine. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want my glasses and I had like a white,

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<v Speaker 1>like curly haired afro. That was my normal hair back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, I get curly. So that's what I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott from Scott's Big Broncos Fan, So uh yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 1>go all right, Hey Scott, good to see about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, good to see it. A long time?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you say long We were just talking about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you say long time?

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<v Speaker 5>Because Austin, Texas, we talked way back when Friday Night

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<v Speaker 5>Lights was first coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I had a Yes, Austin, Texas is correct. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a slightly different version of that story, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely true because they filmed that in Austin when I

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<v Speaker 1>was living there. I forgot all about that. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you go off to the set? No, I never

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<v Speaker 1>went to the set, but I thought they would use

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<v Speaker 1>your athletics. You thought that, Yeah, it would be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the guys that you know had I had nine

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<v Speaker 1>lines in a movie called Band Slam, which, ye, you

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<v Speaker 1>were like the star of the movie. You and Vanessa

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<v Speaker 1>Hudgens were like the stars of the movie. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we all my scenes were like a theater on campus.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I don't know if Scott's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>remember me, but hey, here we are, and he obviously didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember. I was just going back any further because we

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<v Speaker 5>had chatted a couple of times prior to that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>you were. You were an Austin legend.

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<v Speaker 1>So good to see you, buddy, I see I see

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<v Speaker 1>Longhorn stuff behind you. And now I'm I lived in

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<v Speaker 1>Austin for thirteen years and it's my favorite city, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it is my favorite City. But I'm from Arkansas, so

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<v Speaker 1>we hate the Longhorns, So why do you have long

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<v Speaker 1>horn stuff behind you?

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<v Speaker 5>My wife was actually a cheerleader at the University of Texas.

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<v Speaker 5>She was there the years that why was there, and

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<v Speaker 5>she actually cheered in the National Championship.

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<v Speaker 1>Game Vince Young at USC. I wasn't there. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a year after.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I was gonna make a lot of money

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<v Speaker 4>in that locker room, and I sure didn't that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was brutal. I also see you're looking like you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking like a coach here.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you've got the Broncos swag on your radiar roll,

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<v Speaker 4>so obviously your Broncos fan. Big big win this last

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<v Speaker 4>week and probably the biggest sense what Peyton Manning.

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<v Speaker 5>Air, Yeah, I would say, man, I mean getting that

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<v Speaker 5>big of a lead in the A West against that

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<v Speaker 5>good of a team. Even still, you know the Chiefs,

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<v Speaker 5>I know they haven't been putting it together. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>in all three phases this season. That defense is still

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<v Speaker 5>very good. When Chris Jones is motivated, they're still very dangerous.

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<v Speaker 5>And Pat Mahomes is still the best in the game.

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<v Speaker 5>So to get that win, get a cushion in the

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<v Speaker 5>AFC West, angling for some home field advantage where you

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<v Speaker 5>can actually play a game or two in Mile High

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<v Speaker 5>It was huge. But yeah, massive Broncos fan have been

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<v Speaker 5>all my life from Nebraska originally, and when you live

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<v Speaker 5>in Omaha, Nebraska, you're a free agent. You know, Proximity Chiefs, Broncos, Bears,

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<v Speaker 5>Ish and those Cowboys fans everywhere. So but I grew

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<v Speaker 5>up watching Lway play in the eighties. Lose a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of games, but just play with Moxie that I had

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<v Speaker 5>never seen before. So yeah, Broncos fan my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>Evaluate Bo Nicks this performance this year as a fan, well.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to be Dragonslayer sixty nine hiding in

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<v Speaker 5>the basement of this moss house to drink it out,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, drinking his mountain dew like the drop and said.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, at the end of the day, I

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<v Speaker 5>think everything that Bo has said is what a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people are seeing. You know, feet are moving a lot,

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<v Speaker 5>He's you know, running out and back from danger, throwing

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<v Speaker 5>off his back foot a lot. And in Sean Payton's office,

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<v Speaker 5>you really, you really need to be able to hit

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<v Speaker 5>these these middle deep ends, these you know, outbreaking routes,

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<v Speaker 5>these corners, you know, to get past that press cover

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<v Speaker 5>two coverage that a lot of people would like to

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<v Speaker 5>run on him because you know, he likes to get

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<v Speaker 5>the ball out to the flats and likes to run

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of screen game. So you've got to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to hit that mid level throw. And Bo has

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<v Speaker 5>missed it a lot this year, but he hit it

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<v Speaker 5>in the big moment in this last game, uh, dropping

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<v Speaker 5>one into Troy Franklin, you know, over the corner under

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<v Speaker 5>the safety, setting up the final field goals. So for me,

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<v Speaker 5>it's just, for some reason, it seems like there's a

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<v Speaker 5>clarity for Bow in the fourth quarter of games. And

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<v Speaker 5>I just as a Broncos fan, I think I speak

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<v Speaker 5>for all of Broncos country. We'd love to just see

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<v Speaker 5>that clarity for four quarters, you know. But hopefully we

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<v Speaker 5>can keep pulling it out. Hopefully he keeps on taking

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<v Speaker 5>a step forward. But you know, he said this last week,

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<v Speaker 5>I got to settle my feet down. I got to

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<v Speaker 5>make sure that I'm planting and then I'm giving what

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<v Speaker 5>the defense gives me. And he played a heck of

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<v Speaker 5>a game this last week against the Chiefs that that

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<v Speaker 5>defense is no slouch. So you know, Bo is what

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<v Speaker 5>I do love about Bo, and what I see from

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<v Speaker 5>the players is that they believe in him, that he

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<v Speaker 5>is their quarterback and they know they will go to

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<v Speaker 5>war and win with him. They don't feel like they're

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<v Speaker 5>dragging him anywhere. They just feel like this is a

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<v Speaker 5>complete team game and defense is stepping up and doing

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<v Speaker 5>its job. And you know, if Bo keeps that locker

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<v Speaker 5>room in that way, I think this team's got a chance.

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<v Speaker 4>So you basically hate bow Knicks until the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 4>is what you're telling you.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't hate Box.

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<v Speaker 1>We Bo leave baby.

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<v Speaker 5>But at the end of the day, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the week before ten to seven against the Raiders team

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<v Speaker 5>that you see Dallas just tear apart on Monday Night

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<v Speaker 5>football this week, and the games have been like that consistently,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I mean seven to three and outs against

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<v Speaker 5>that Raiders defense, a turnover against that Raiders defense. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>you only get thirteen drives in the game, and you've

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<v Speaker 5>only got five what to go get some points and

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<v Speaker 5>you only get ten against the Raiders. I mean, it's tricky,

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<v Speaker 5>it's really tough. And that game was in the balance

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<v Speaker 5>until the fourth quarter, and you can look at the

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<v Speaker 5>way that we've been winning this year. It's all one

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<v Speaker 5>score games, and a lot of that is just because

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<v Speaker 5>the offense just does not want to move the ball

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<v Speaker 5>in the first half of the game. And I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know who that falls on. I just know what I'm seeing,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and I watch every single moment of every

0:12:48.736 --> 0:12:50.616
<v Speaker 5>single one of these games. You can go back and

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<v Speaker 5>look back against the Texans. I mean, it's the same

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<v Speaker 5>story over and over again. Hopefully we can just start

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<v Speaker 5>fast here after we get this bye week coming up,

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<v Speaker 5>and just be a quick starting team the rest of

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<v Speaker 5>the year. But no, man, we love bo. I think

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<v Speaker 5>he's a really you know, as long as he sat

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<v Speaker 5>his accuracy down, he's a great fit for what Peyton

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<v Speaker 5>wants to do, and the rest of the offense believes

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<v Speaker 5>in him.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think this is the part of the interview

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<v Speaker 1>where we actually declared that Scott knows ball because we

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<v Speaker 1>don't always know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, I am thoroughly impressed with his knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>With actors and musicians, Scott, we kind of weighed in

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<v Speaker 1>with them to see, we never want to go over

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<v Speaker 1>their head, or Scott knows ball. So I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we could talk about anything. Yeah, man, let's do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>We go though, to the questions about movies and exactly

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<v Speaker 1>do you find that people young kids are recognizing you

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<v Speaker 1>from Friday Night Lights and even now because maybe they're

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<v Speaker 1>just starting to watch it streaming.

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<v Speaker 5>It is. Streaming extended the life of Friday Night Lights

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<v Speaker 5>in a big way, and I don't think any of

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<v Speaker 5>us expected it to be handed down generationally the way

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<v Speaker 5>that it is currently. And when I was growing up,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know that there was a lot of shows

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<v Speaker 5>that my folks were able to hand down to me,

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<v Speaker 5>just because it was harder to ever find those unless

0:14:08.096 --> 0:14:11.616
<v Speaker 5>somebody decided to put you know whatever, Cheers on VHS

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<v Speaker 5>or some late eighties early nineties show like Coach on DVD.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I would never have seen these shows, you know

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<v Speaker 5>what I mean. And there's a lot of really impactful

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<v Speaker 5>television back from back in the day that you can

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<v Speaker 5>start to finally watch now, and I think that's really

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<v Speaker 5>really cool. Friday Night Lights was kind of right on

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<v Speaker 5>the cusp of that. I remember we were one of

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<v Speaker 5>the first shows that NBC actually put up on their

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<v Speaker 5>website and you could stream it on the website, which was,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, that was crazy for us. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 5>and six, and seeing where it's at now, where it's

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<v Speaker 5>on like four different streaming services, it's just so easy

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<v Speaker 5>to say, hey, this show that allowed these people loved

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<v Speaker 5>twenty years ago, and you know, maybe their kids were

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<v Speaker 5>too young to watch at the time, and now they're watching,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, with their kids. It's awesome, man, It's really

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<v Speaker 5>really a cool thing to see. And so yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I would expect that Jason's read eventually would not be

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<v Speaker 5>a character that as many young kids recognize, but I

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<v Speaker 5>have a lot of and and and the fan base

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<v Speaker 5>is really cool because when they come up, they always

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<v Speaker 5>come up with like a measure of respect and they're

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<v Speaker 5>really heartfelt. And the way they speak about the show,

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<v Speaker 5>which is not the same way that all fan bases

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<v Speaker 5>are with other shows, but they're really respectful fan base,

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<v Speaker 5>even the the younger kids. And you know, we have

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<v Speaker 5>really cool conversations about a show that you know, was

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<v Speaker 5>canceled twice and almost didn't make it past season one

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<v Speaker 5>or season two, and now it's had this lasting effect.

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<v Speaker 5>So we have streaming to think for that, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, my wife's a big fan. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 4>She watches that show religiously. Still, if there's if there's

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<v Speaker 4>a moment where we get into the bed and we

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<v Speaker 4>finally get to watch something late at night, she wants

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<v Speaker 4>to watch that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's comfort, that's her comfort, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Her comfort show. I don't know if it was because

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<v Speaker 4>she's an athlete or anything like that, but she loves

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<v Speaker 4>the show and I love the show, So congratulations on that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I want to talk about acting in general, just

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm always fascinated by people that go into that

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<v Speaker 4>profession because it's so competitive and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>parallels in terms of playing in the NFL or what

0:16:13.136 --> 0:16:15.856
<v Speaker 4>Bobby does that it's super competitive and you got to

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<v Speaker 4>go in, you got to nail something when you're going

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<v Speaker 4>out for a specific role. But talk about what that's

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<v Speaker 4>like for you to go in for a specific role

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<v Speaker 4>and what that breakthrough moment was when you were younger.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, for me, I was never in the line

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<v Speaker 5>of thought that I would be an actor. I played

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<v Speaker 5>football in high school and was an invited walk on

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<v Speaker 5>to University of Socral, Florida. I played receiver, and I

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<v Speaker 5>thought I would use athletics to help my academic you know,

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<v Speaker 5>cost come down a little bit I knew I was

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<v Speaker 5>never going to be a pro, but I did. I

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<v Speaker 5>ran a four five, a good hands. I was all right.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, at the end of the day, I

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<v Speaker 5>went to school to be a structural engineer. My grandfather

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<v Speaker 5>was an Air Force colonel, very much wanted me to

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<v Speaker 5>be in the realm of academia. Parents were very artistic.

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<v Speaker 5>They had a rock band back in the eighties. I'd

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<v Speaker 5>go and help my dad set up his drums and

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<v Speaker 5>then spend the night like chilling with the bouncer playing foosball,

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<v Speaker 5>or like falling asleep in the office manager's you know

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<v Speaker 5>office in some saloon in the middle of Nebraska when

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<v Speaker 5>I was growing up, and you know, I had a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of the bug from them, but I always

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<v Speaker 5>thought it'd be something that I do in my spare time,

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<v Speaker 5>make a little cash here and there. That's what my

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<v Speaker 5>parents did. That was their goal. And then things started

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<v Speaker 5>to kind of break the right way for me, and

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<v Speaker 5>I just kept saying yes. And for me, having the

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<v Speaker 5>athletic background actually played huge into, you know, moving into

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<v Speaker 5>the world of acting, because every audition is a game

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<v Speaker 5>in itself, right, and you don't stack yourself up against

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<v Speaker 5>the other team but you got to stack yourself up

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<v Speaker 5>against yourself. You got to answer for every loss that

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<v Speaker 5>you have. You have way more of them in this business.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I've gone out for I don't know, two

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<v Speaker 5>hundred television pilots and I've booked five of them, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a success. So it's even worse than base ball.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the hitting percentages are kind of low, but

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<v Speaker 5>you just got to keep on competing. And my first

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<v Speaker 5>pilot season, I was told by somebody that I should

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<v Speaker 5>just stay in the world of theater because I was

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<v Speaker 5>up in New York. I was doing an off Broadway show.

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<v Speaker 5>It was it was a bit of a hit, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I got a singing voice from my mom and a

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<v Speaker 5>sense of rhythm from my dad, so he's a drummer,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was I was doing the live music thing.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, i'd have been having success. And somebody from

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<v Speaker 5>Disney Theatricals told me when I said I wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>try to, you know, see if I could book a

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<v Speaker 5>TV show, that I wouldn't amount to anything, that I'd

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<v Speaker 5>just be the fourth guy on the left on some

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<v Speaker 5>WB show and be quickly forgotten, and I should keep

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<v Speaker 5>doing theater. And I took that as a big old okay,

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<v Speaker 5>just watch yeah, watch this, and I started really digging in,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, watching film, you know, watching as many shows

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<v Speaker 5>as I could, studying other actors, you know, so there's

0:19:02.215 --> 0:19:04.535
<v Speaker 5>that kind of element of you know, when when you're

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<v Speaker 5>breaking down a game versus what you're trying to do

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<v Speaker 5>to prepare for an audition. And just got myself in

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<v Speaker 5>the right mindset and went out and competed. And Friday

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<v Speaker 5>Night Lights was the fifth pilot I ever went out for,

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<v Speaker 5>and I knew that that show was going to be special,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just did my research. Man, I went and

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<v Speaker 5>watched that film over and over again. I've probably seen

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<v Speaker 5>the film of Friday Night Lights, you know, fifty times,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just kind of knew what the film style was,

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<v Speaker 5>I knew what they were aiming for. I knew what

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<v Speaker 5>the performance level they were looking for was. And I

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<v Speaker 5>just tried to deliver that set of plays when I

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<v Speaker 5>walked into the room and it worked out. And you know,

0:19:41.016 --> 0:19:43.336
<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of like you said, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of parallels between the world of athletics and the world

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<v Speaker 5>of you know, artistry, especially in cinema, because you don't

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<v Speaker 5>always find a coach or the right offensive fit for you.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's the same thing in film. You don't always

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<v Speaker 5>find the director or the right writer for you, but

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<v Speaker 5>if you keep at it, maybe you're end up in

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<v Speaker 5>the right system. And luckily I've been able to find

0:20:04.376 --> 0:20:13.056
<v Speaker 5>the right systems.

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<v Speaker 1>I have some buddies here in town because we live

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<v Speaker 1>in Nashville. Somebodies in town that are artists, like Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt who played college ball, played you know, a little

0:20:29.376 --> 0:20:32.336
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL. Riley Green played college ball, but a

0:20:32.336 --> 0:20:36.256
<v Speaker 1>lot of male artists. There's a lot of former athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>and you look at your career the juxtaposition of being

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<v Speaker 1>able to sing, being able to do theater and act,

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<v Speaker 1>also being a great athlete, and again it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>that juxtaposition, it feels odd because both usually don't happen

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. But what I've noticed with them

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<v Speaker 1>is as well, and I've talked about this with them,

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<v Speaker 1>is that a lot of what they learned in sports,

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<v Speaker 1>like the dealing with adversity. It's what you just talked

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<v Speaker 1>about is actually what makes them a great artist because

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<v Speaker 1>they can take a lot of the nose when they

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<v Speaker 1>come to town. Work ethic is a massive part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's dealing with diversity. It's listening back watching bag

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<v Speaker 1>tape and then just continuing to go and grow. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's kind of what you just said.

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<v Speaker 1>But were you an athlete or a creative first?

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<v Speaker 5>I was an athlete first. I mean I grew up,

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<v Speaker 5>like I said, in Nebraska, where you know, Husker football

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<v Speaker 5>is your religion. The College World Series happened in Omaha

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<v Speaker 5>where I was growing up. We went every single year.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, there is a drive that you learn

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<v Speaker 5>through athletics that you can apply almost everywhere. There is

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<v Speaker 5>a stick toitiveness that you have to learn, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>get knocked down, get back up, get knocked down, get

0:21:48.735 --> 0:21:50.096
<v Speaker 5>back up. And I think a lot of people don't

0:21:50.176 --> 0:21:55.416
<v Speaker 5>understand in the world of music or television film, you

0:21:55.455 --> 0:21:58.576
<v Speaker 5>get knocked down so much and you just have to

0:21:58.656 --> 0:22:02.096
<v Speaker 5>be able to keep getting back up. And yeah, those

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<v Speaker 5>parallels are are all there. But I was athletic first,

0:22:05.416 --> 0:22:08.216
<v Speaker 5>and I was also academic first. You know. I took

0:22:08.215 --> 0:22:10.776
<v Speaker 5>AP courses in high school and college j ap CAALC

0:22:10.816 --> 0:22:13.776
<v Speaker 5>and AP physics and set myself up, like I said,

0:22:13.776 --> 0:22:17.495
<v Speaker 5>to be a structural engineer. And music to me is

0:22:17.536 --> 0:22:21.896
<v Speaker 5>all math and really filmmaking kind of has their own

0:22:21.936 --> 0:22:24.336
<v Speaker 5>formulas as well. So I think I come at this

0:22:24.376 --> 0:22:27.136
<v Speaker 5>business a little bit different than most people. I come

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<v Speaker 5>at it from a number standpoint to inform the artistry

0:22:30.495 --> 0:22:33.215
<v Speaker 5>and then allow the artistry to kind of come in

0:22:33.256 --> 0:22:35.656
<v Speaker 5>at the end. But I look at the numbers and

0:22:35.696 --> 0:22:38.816
<v Speaker 5>the formulas and you know, the rhythms and see how

0:22:38.816 --> 0:22:41.136
<v Speaker 5>to get everything lined up and then make you know,

0:22:41.256 --> 0:22:43.495
<v Speaker 5>like the last decisions. And that's kind of what like

0:22:43.536 --> 0:22:45.255
<v Speaker 5>a quarterback has to do. Right. You get up to

0:22:45.296 --> 0:22:47.456
<v Speaker 5>the line, you've got to play. Everything's all set, You've

0:22:47.656 --> 0:22:50.615
<v Speaker 5>completely prepared. You've done this thing over and over and

0:22:50.656 --> 0:22:53.056
<v Speaker 5>over again hundreds of times in practice. You walk up

0:22:53.455 --> 0:22:55.416
<v Speaker 5>and you see that the defense is doing something you've

0:22:55.455 --> 0:22:58.056
<v Speaker 5>never seen before, and you get the freestyle. And that's

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<v Speaker 5>like how I look at what I do. Kind of

0:23:00.856 --> 0:23:03.056
<v Speaker 5>you know, we prep, we prep, we prep, We get

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<v Speaker 5>to set, and then the actor on the other side

0:23:05.256 --> 0:23:09.495
<v Speaker 5>of you know, scene from me says something in a

0:23:09.495 --> 0:23:12.176
<v Speaker 5>way I'd never heard before, and then we get to

0:23:12.215 --> 0:23:15.096
<v Speaker 5>play and that's you know, that's that's set.

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<v Speaker 3>Hut.

0:23:15.616 --> 0:23:18.215
<v Speaker 5>Now we're we're moving and free freestyling, and that's kind

0:23:18.215 --> 0:23:18.576
<v Speaker 5>of cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Bobby I don't know if you saw last week

0:23:21.215 --> 0:23:25.136
<v Speaker 4>he's done with reality television, but you also were on

0:23:25.296 --> 0:23:27.215
<v Speaker 4>Reality Tells. You're on the Mass Singer. I don't know

0:23:27.256 --> 0:23:29.056
<v Speaker 4>if you saw that he went off, but you gotta

0:23:29.056 --> 0:23:32.255
<v Speaker 4>look it up. And that was awesome, by the way,

0:23:32.455 --> 0:23:34.576
<v Speaker 4>But do you have a beef with reality television? But

0:23:34.616 --> 0:23:37.536
<v Speaker 4>more importantly, talk to me about why you did Mass Singer.

0:23:37.696 --> 0:23:39.735
<v Speaker 1>You finished second, right, you were incredible on it.

0:23:40.896 --> 0:23:45.096
<v Speaker 5>I did finish second to somebody that Bobby mentioned earlier

0:23:45.136 --> 0:23:49.696
<v Speaker 5>in this interview, Vanessa Hudgens. We were we were competing

0:23:49.696 --> 0:23:52.056
<v Speaker 5>in the same season together, and I should have known

0:23:52.056 --> 0:23:54.015
<v Speaker 5>from the start that I wasn't gonna get it. But

0:23:54.616 --> 0:23:57.336
<v Speaker 5>at the end of the day, again like I did

0:23:57.376 --> 0:24:03.376
<v Speaker 5>it because for a long time Hollywood had rules and

0:24:03.735 --> 0:24:06.416
<v Speaker 5>boundaries set up that if you wanted to be a

0:24:06.416 --> 0:24:09.015
<v Speaker 5>film actor, you could be nothing but a film actor.

0:24:09.136 --> 0:24:10.615
<v Speaker 5>If you were a film actor and then you went

0:24:10.656 --> 0:24:13.975
<v Speaker 5>and did something on television, oh my god, you're not

0:24:13.975 --> 0:24:16.495
<v Speaker 5>allowed to be in film anymore. If you were a

0:24:16.776 --> 0:24:18.736
<v Speaker 5>you know, a television actor, and you went and did

0:24:18.776 --> 0:24:22.255
<v Speaker 5>like a run and a musical, oh my god, now

0:24:22.336 --> 0:24:24.296
<v Speaker 5>you can't be a television actor anymore. And it was

0:24:24.336 --> 0:24:26.575
<v Speaker 5>such an odd thing. So I came from a very

0:24:26.656 --> 0:24:30.416
<v Speaker 5>musical background and I came out to Hollywood and I

0:24:30.455 --> 0:24:33.576
<v Speaker 5>still wanted to sing, and a lot of people were

0:24:33.616 --> 0:24:36.656
<v Speaker 5>telling me, oh, that's cute. You did you know musicals

0:24:36.656 --> 0:24:39.256
<v Speaker 5>in New York. But now you're a television actor. Now

0:24:39.256 --> 0:24:40.896
<v Speaker 5>you got to be a television actor. And I had

0:24:40.936 --> 0:24:43.255
<v Speaker 5>to kind of put that part away for a while.

0:24:43.856 --> 0:24:45.296
<v Speaker 5>And it was such a big part of my life

0:24:45.336 --> 0:24:48.216
<v Speaker 5>growing up. And when they showed up and asked, I mean,

0:24:48.256 --> 0:24:50.376
<v Speaker 5>at first, I was definitely like, I don't know if

0:24:50.416 --> 0:24:52.455
<v Speaker 5>I can do this, And then I was like, but wait,

0:24:52.495 --> 0:24:55.775
<v Speaker 5>Meryl Streep's on a half hour on Hulu, and you know,

0:24:55.896 --> 0:24:58.616
<v Speaker 5>people you never knew could sing are on Broadway doing

0:24:58.616 --> 0:25:01.416
<v Speaker 5>It's like, it's such a cool world now where everybody's

0:25:01.455 --> 0:25:04.616
<v Speaker 5>really allowed to do all of the things that they're

0:25:04.616 --> 0:25:08.336
<v Speaker 5>good at, and it's applauded now, whereas it used to

0:25:08.376 --> 0:25:11.015
<v Speaker 5>be kind of poo pooed back in the day. As

0:25:11.056 --> 0:25:14.336
<v Speaker 5>far as reality television, you know, I'm a Survivor fan,

0:25:14.776 --> 0:25:16.696
<v Speaker 5>have been ever since it came on, Like to the

0:25:16.696 --> 0:25:19.815
<v Speaker 5>point that I lived in Tokyo for a year singing

0:25:19.816 --> 0:25:25.535
<v Speaker 5>and beatboxing, and my mom recorded Survivor Amazon on VHS

0:25:25.536 --> 0:25:27.015
<v Speaker 5>and sent it to me so I could watch it

0:25:27.056 --> 0:25:30.455
<v Speaker 5>when I was living in Japan. So massive fan of

0:25:30.536 --> 0:25:33.376
<v Speaker 5>the kind of competition reality stuff, not all of it,

0:25:33.896 --> 0:25:36.815
<v Speaker 5>but the stuff that has like real competitive elements. I

0:25:36.856 --> 0:25:38.536
<v Speaker 5>am a fan of because I look at them as

0:25:38.616 --> 0:25:40.736
<v Speaker 5>kind of like the world's greatest game shows, Like it's

0:25:40.776 --> 0:25:42.936
<v Speaker 5>a million dollar prize at the end of Survivor. That's

0:25:42.936 --> 0:25:45.855
<v Speaker 5>a game show. So I kind of, you know, I

0:25:45.936 --> 0:25:48.336
<v Speaker 5>lay out on most of the other stuff, the housewives

0:25:48.376 --> 0:25:51.896
<v Speaker 5>stuff all that. The only show I do watch with

0:25:51.975 --> 0:25:55.656
<v Speaker 5>my wife every week is Below Deck on Bravo, So

0:25:55.856 --> 0:25:58.576
<v Speaker 5>got to give that one a shout out. But I'm

0:25:58.576 --> 0:26:01.416
<v Speaker 5>not a huge fan of reality, but the experience of

0:26:01.495 --> 0:26:05.896
<v Speaker 5>Mass Singer was really pretty freeing for me. And everybody

0:26:05.975 --> 0:26:08.896
<v Speaker 5>does a show like that for different reasons, but that

0:26:09.096 --> 0:26:12.936
<v Speaker 5>was really for me, and it's rare in this business

0:26:12.975 --> 0:26:16.896
<v Speaker 5>you get to do something for you and and that

0:26:17.056 --> 0:26:17.536
<v Speaker 5>was my one.

0:26:18.215 --> 0:26:19.975
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did Dance with the Stars because the network

0:26:20.016 --> 0:26:23.136
<v Speaker 1>made me do it still and then and then I won,

0:26:23.376 --> 0:26:25.896
<v Speaker 1>and then people still kill me for it. That's what

0:26:25.936 --> 0:26:28.296
<v Speaker 1>he's referring to. Ad A. I have a heart, I

0:26:28.616 --> 0:26:31.215
<v Speaker 1>can see my foot, but I tore my ankle recently,

0:26:31.376 --> 0:26:32.936
<v Speaker 1>and I was on pain pills last week and I

0:26:33.056 --> 0:26:35.575
<v Speaker 1>was just melted down about Dancing with the Stars. So

0:26:35.816 --> 0:26:38.176
<v Speaker 1>is a whole issue, Scott, Hey give me.

0:26:38.296 --> 0:26:44.016
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, wow, you got You've got the Golden Crystal

0:26:44.016 --> 0:26:45.096
<v Speaker 5>Ball or whatever it's called.

0:26:45.136 --> 0:26:48.136
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the mirror Ball. I mailed it back because I

0:26:48.176 --> 0:26:50.176
<v Speaker 1>was pissed. I mailed it back. But I did win.

0:26:50.256 --> 0:26:52.496
<v Speaker 1>I did win the show. But hey, give me your

0:26:52.495 --> 0:26:55.416
<v Speaker 1>Mount Rushmore of I'm gonna do this double Mount Rushmore

0:26:55.455 --> 0:26:57.775
<v Speaker 1>of Denver Broncos all time your favorite, and then I

0:26:57.816 --> 0:27:01.176
<v Speaker 1>want non Bronco Mount Rushmore as well. So it's two

0:27:01.256 --> 0:27:02.215
<v Speaker 1>different sets of four.

0:27:04.056 --> 0:27:08.816
<v Speaker 5>Oh man, you are really catching me here, All time

0:27:08.816 --> 0:27:19.096
<v Speaker 5>Mount Rushmore, Denver Broncos players, D Marius, John Elway, T

0:27:19.296 --> 0:27:22.176
<v Speaker 5>D Steve Atwater, M.

0:27:22.616 --> 0:27:27.816
<v Speaker 1>That's a great list. Wow. No no, uh no McCaffrey.

0:27:29.056 --> 0:27:34.055
<v Speaker 1>No McCaffrey, but I mean Atwater unbelievable. But no Peyton,

0:27:35.136 --> 0:27:37.016
<v Speaker 1>No Peyton, but Peyton was only there for a few years.

0:27:37.056 --> 0:27:39.056
<v Speaker 1>But Peyton did win the Super Bowl. I'm not judging

0:27:39.056 --> 0:27:39.616
<v Speaker 1>his lest.

0:27:39.455 --> 0:27:42.295
<v Speaker 5>Here's what you guys got to understand as an eighties

0:27:42.376 --> 0:27:44.336
<v Speaker 5>kid who is a Broncos fan, I don't think there's

0:27:44.336 --> 0:27:49.136
<v Speaker 5>many of me around. I came up. I watched Elway's

0:27:49.176 --> 0:27:53.176
<v Speaker 5>magic against the Browns, you know, a couple of times,

0:27:53.696 --> 0:27:57.136
<v Speaker 5>and I watched him take teams that were lower in

0:27:57.256 --> 0:28:01.215
<v Speaker 5>talent level and go up against these NFC Juggernauts, uh,

0:28:01.256 --> 0:28:04.616
<v Speaker 5>you know, losing against the former Redskins you know now commanders,

0:28:04.975 --> 0:28:07.696
<v Speaker 5>but Doug Williams watching them get you know, crushed by

0:28:07.696 --> 0:28:09.576
<v Speaker 5>the Giants and they get blown out fifty five to

0:28:09.576 --> 0:28:15.696
<v Speaker 5>ten by the Niners in nineteen ninety and Elway dragged

0:28:15.735 --> 0:28:18.735
<v Speaker 5>those teams to Super Bowls and then finally got to

0:28:18.856 --> 0:28:21.416
<v Speaker 5>in the late nineties. So anybody who's my age that's

0:28:21.416 --> 0:28:23.616
<v Speaker 5>been around for this long, I don't. I think a

0:28:23.616 --> 0:28:25.215
<v Speaker 5>lot of young fans are like, oh, Peyton's one of

0:28:25.256 --> 0:28:27.535
<v Speaker 5>the greatest of all time. But when Elway retired, he

0:28:27.656 --> 0:28:30.015
<v Speaker 5>led the league and wins. The one stat that matters

0:28:30.096 --> 0:28:32.455
<v Speaker 5>more than anything else. He also led the league in

0:28:32.536 --> 0:28:37.136
<v Speaker 5>fourth quarter or overtime comebacks when he retired, and that

0:28:37.296 --> 0:28:40.256
<v Speaker 5>is just a will to win, man. And that's where

0:28:40.256 --> 0:28:42.856
<v Speaker 5>like Bo gets little shades, you know, little shades of that.

0:28:43.016 --> 0:28:44.976
<v Speaker 5>A lot of fourth quarter comes back for this little kid,

0:28:45.016 --> 0:28:47.736
<v Speaker 5>you know, for this younger guy. You know, he's he's

0:28:47.776 --> 0:28:50.456
<v Speaker 5>a long way off. But Elway, I don't think people

0:28:50.576 --> 0:28:55.216
<v Speaker 5>understand how great Elway was and his arm oh god,

0:28:55.816 --> 0:28:58.576
<v Speaker 5>and the guy that I really struggle not putting up there.

0:28:58.976 --> 0:29:01.855
<v Speaker 5>And if DT's not on, there is Shannon Shark. Shannon

0:29:01.896 --> 0:29:06.776
<v Speaker 5>Sharps also on that Mount rushmore uh for me. So

0:29:06.856 --> 0:29:09.056
<v Speaker 5>if it's not DT, it's Shannon Sharp. And that's the

0:29:09.056 --> 0:29:11.056
<v Speaker 5>biggest decision point. That's why I took the pause in

0:29:11.096 --> 0:29:15.976
<v Speaker 5>the beginning. But but Atwater was just he was the

0:29:15.976 --> 0:29:18.736
<v Speaker 5>hardest hitty you've ever seen. TD came in and is

0:29:18.776 --> 0:29:20.536
<v Speaker 5>in the Hall of Fame with a shortened career because

0:29:20.576 --> 0:29:22.936
<v Speaker 5>they tours me up and in ol Way, I just don't.

0:29:22.936 --> 0:29:24.216
<v Speaker 5>I don't think there's an argument there.

0:29:24.296 --> 0:29:27.296
<v Speaker 1>Do the other do the non Bronco for non Bronco

0:29:27.376 --> 0:29:30.016
<v Speaker 1>for non Bronco fur.

0:29:29.976 --> 0:29:31.736
<v Speaker 4>He's like, I don't know anybody else that plays in

0:29:31.776 --> 0:29:35.136
<v Speaker 4>the league, Bronco, Broncos.

0:29:36.216 --> 0:29:40.576
<v Speaker 5>Non Bronco four. I mean, it's got to be it's

0:29:40.576 --> 0:29:46.816
<v Speaker 5>got to be Brady, it's got to be Rice and

0:29:47.096 --> 0:29:52.056
<v Speaker 5>oh man, this is man. This the league is so deep,

0:29:52.096 --> 0:29:59.856
<v Speaker 5>it's been around for so long. Barry Sanders, I gotta

0:29:59.896 --> 0:30:05.336
<v Speaker 5>find somebody defensively, man, and it's it's really tough. You've

0:30:05.496 --> 0:30:11.376
<v Speaker 5>you know, you've got Dion, You've got Lawrence Taylor. LT

0:30:11.736 --> 0:30:15.376
<v Speaker 5>changed the league completely. The reason left tackles get paid

0:30:15.376 --> 0:30:19.855
<v Speaker 5>the day is because of what Lawrence Taylor did. So

0:30:19.896 --> 0:30:26.376
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to put LT on there. Lawrence Taylor, Barry Sanders,

0:30:27.056 --> 0:30:28.936
<v Speaker 5>Jerry Rice, Tom Brady.

0:30:28.936 --> 0:30:32.736
<v Speaker 1>That's a solid that is to put Mac Castle on there.

0:30:32.776 --> 0:30:34.815
<v Speaker 1>My favorite quarterback of all time. But you know what,

0:30:34.936 --> 0:30:37.656
<v Speaker 1>that's you, it's yoursmore.

0:30:37.936 --> 0:30:39.976
<v Speaker 4>Do you actually get to get out to any games

0:30:40.256 --> 0:30:44.616
<v Speaker 4>because that that environment, the Broncos Stadium mile at mile High,

0:30:44.816 --> 0:30:46.576
<v Speaker 4>There's not many places that you go and you're a

0:30:46.576 --> 0:30:49.976
<v Speaker 4>little bit intimidated by. But they yes played there multiple

0:30:49.976 --> 0:30:51.776
<v Speaker 4>times because I used to play for the Chiefs and

0:30:51.776 --> 0:30:54.096
<v Speaker 4>every time we went there. I mean that crowd gets

0:30:54.216 --> 0:30:57.536
<v Speaker 4>after it. Great cheerleaders too, We.

0:30:57.576 --> 0:31:00.816
<v Speaker 5>Love it, man. I mean I get to go to games. Yeah,

0:31:00.896 --> 0:31:02.736
<v Speaker 5>I get to go even more now that the Chargers

0:31:02.736 --> 0:31:05.296
<v Speaker 5>are in LA as well, and I get to go,

0:31:05.576 --> 0:31:07.416
<v Speaker 5>you know, one game a year where I live, which

0:31:07.456 --> 0:31:10.815
<v Speaker 5>is kind of cool. But I go to Denver and

0:31:10.816 --> 0:31:12.856
<v Speaker 5>I still call it mile High. I know it's got

0:31:12.856 --> 0:31:14.936
<v Speaker 5>a bunch of other names, you know, but it's still

0:31:16.016 --> 0:31:18.096
<v Speaker 5>it's still to me mile high. But the coolest thing

0:31:18.216 --> 0:31:25.176
<v Speaker 5>was two thanksgivings, a go great game Broncos Vikings Thanksgiving weekend,

0:31:26.416 --> 0:31:29.216
<v Speaker 5>and I got to take my kids. My son is

0:31:29.256 --> 0:31:33.216
<v Speaker 5>a Rams fan. He's come by it naturally through the pandemic.

0:31:33.456 --> 0:31:35.456
<v Speaker 5>His favorite color was green. When he was four, he

0:31:35.496 --> 0:31:37.656
<v Speaker 5>thought he was an Eagles fan. Then he came to

0:31:37.696 --> 0:31:40.776
<v Speaker 5>his senses when he was five, Aaron Donald was his

0:31:40.776 --> 0:31:43.936
<v Speaker 5>favorite player. He's seen the Rams won a Super Bowl, so,

0:31:44.696 --> 0:31:47.976
<v Speaker 5>you know, and my daughter is kind of split. And

0:31:49.136 --> 0:31:50.896
<v Speaker 5>I asked him if they wanted to go, and they said, yeah,

0:31:50.936 --> 0:31:52.536
<v Speaker 5>we went. We got to go down on the field.

0:31:53.296 --> 0:31:55.376
<v Speaker 5>They got to meet Thunder, which is the horse's name.

0:31:55.776 --> 0:31:57.656
<v Speaker 5>We got to see the flyover. We got to see

0:31:57.696 --> 0:32:00.736
<v Speaker 5>guys parachute in. But the coolest thing about it is,

0:32:00.976 --> 0:32:03.536
<v Speaker 5>and even you can even hear it on radio calls.

0:32:04.176 --> 0:32:10.176
<v Speaker 5>Every time a quarterback throws an incomplete pass, the stadium

0:32:10.216 --> 0:32:12.896
<v Speaker 5>announcer comes on and says, and the opposing quarterbacks pass

0:32:13.056 --> 0:32:17.896
<v Speaker 5>is in. The entire crowd yells complete at the quarterback,

0:32:17.936 --> 0:32:21.416
<v Speaker 5>which is so good. They have little metal stanchions down

0:32:21.536 --> 0:32:23.576
<v Speaker 5>the on you know, over the cement. So when you

0:32:23.616 --> 0:32:27.095
<v Speaker 5>when you stomp that medal is hitting that concrete, it

0:32:27.096 --> 0:32:29.096
<v Speaker 5>gets so loud, it gets so great. I mean, you

0:32:29.136 --> 0:32:31.336
<v Speaker 5>played in one of the loudest stadiums that this world

0:32:31.336 --> 0:32:33.656
<v Speaker 5>has ever seen in Arrowhead. But I like to think

0:32:33.736 --> 0:32:35.336
<v Speaker 5>Mile High gives it a run for its money. And

0:32:35.696 --> 0:32:40.656
<v Speaker 5>we we love our franchise, especially the fans that came

0:32:40.736 --> 0:32:43.776
<v Speaker 5>up with Pat bowl and who's maybe you know what

0:32:44.496 --> 0:32:46.656
<v Speaker 5>he should be on Mount Rushmore. Pat Bowlan is the

0:32:46.696 --> 0:32:49.815
<v Speaker 5>greatest Bronco of all time because what he did as

0:32:49.856 --> 0:32:52.815
<v Speaker 5>an owner for so long, I mean set the record

0:32:52.816 --> 0:32:57.536
<v Speaker 5>for you know, consecutive playoff appearances by a franchise, made

0:32:57.536 --> 0:33:01.256
<v Speaker 5>all the right moves, made great coaching hires, really loved

0:33:01.376 --> 0:33:04.776
<v Speaker 5>and knew the sport of football. So you know, I

0:33:04.816 --> 0:33:09.296
<v Speaker 5>think we respect him so much and we were just

0:33:09.416 --> 0:33:11.536
<v Speaker 5>you know, I think we have a really solid fan

0:33:11.536 --> 0:33:14.056
<v Speaker 5>base because we had owners who cared and we had

0:33:14.096 --> 0:33:16.696
<v Speaker 5>players who would fight for them. And it's pretty cool

0:33:16.696 --> 0:33:17.456
<v Speaker 5>club to be a part of.

0:33:17.896 --> 0:33:21.736
<v Speaker 1>Final question, greatest in person game you've ever been to?

0:33:23.616 --> 0:33:28.976
<v Speaker 5>Oh man, you know, my wife would tell you it

0:33:29.016 --> 0:33:32.736
<v Speaker 5>was the Big Twelve Championship where Sue and Dominic and

0:33:32.776 --> 0:33:37.416
<v Speaker 5>Sue almost single handedly destroyed Texas, and Colt McCoy threw

0:33:37.456 --> 0:33:39.776
<v Speaker 5>a ball out of bounds and somehow there was still

0:33:39.816 --> 0:33:41.696
<v Speaker 5>one second left on the clock and then they kick

0:33:41.696 --> 0:33:45.575
<v Speaker 5>a field goal to beat us. That was one of

0:33:45.576 --> 0:33:47.536
<v Speaker 5>the greatest games I've ever been to, even though the

0:33:47.576 --> 0:33:53.176
<v Speaker 5>Huskers came out on the wrong side of it. But man,

0:33:53.776 --> 0:33:57.656
<v Speaker 5>let's see probably and it doesn't evolve my team. I mean,

0:33:57.696 --> 0:34:01.096
<v Speaker 5>I should say super Bowl fifty, you know, defensive battle.

0:34:01.496 --> 0:34:04.736
<v Speaker 5>I was there in Santa Clara. I watched a very

0:34:04.776 --> 0:34:07.776
<v Speaker 5>similar perform rmans by the Broncos defense shut Cam Newton

0:34:07.856 --> 0:34:12.776
<v Speaker 5>down and actually get the win. That was That was

0:34:12.936 --> 0:34:17.296
<v Speaker 5>I should say that. But I was in the end

0:34:17.456 --> 0:34:22.336
<v Speaker 5>zone as Plexico Buris caught a touchdown to beat the

0:34:22.416 --> 0:34:28.216
<v Speaker 5>undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl in Arizona.

0:34:26.936 --> 0:34:28.456
<v Speaker 1>And Day I was there too.

0:34:28.616 --> 0:34:32.096
<v Speaker 5>He was there too, I mean, even as a even

0:34:32.136 --> 0:34:34.896
<v Speaker 5>as a guy, like as a Broncos fan at Super

0:34:34.896 --> 0:34:39.336
<v Speaker 5>Bowl fifty, but as just a fan overall. Like the

0:34:39.376 --> 0:34:42.376
<v Speaker 5>magnitude of that game and the plays that happened in it,

0:34:42.656 --> 0:34:46.096
<v Speaker 5>the Tyree catch, and I mean just so much happened

0:34:46.096 --> 0:34:46.536
<v Speaker 5>in that game.

0:34:46.576 --> 0:34:49.216
<v Speaker 1>It was insane, so funny to hear two different perspectives

0:34:49.256 --> 0:34:51.216
<v Speaker 1>on that game. Yeah, that one hurt. That one hurt

0:34:51.336 --> 0:34:51.696
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

0:34:51.736 --> 0:34:54.376
<v Speaker 4>I was right there witnessing the same thing going. It's

0:34:54.416 --> 0:34:58.496
<v Speaker 4>from such a different perspective point. Scott Porter knows ball.

0:34:58.576 --> 0:35:00.416
<v Speaker 4>That's awesome. Hey Scott, congratulations man.

0:35:00.536 --> 0:35:02.776
<v Speaker 1>I know you're in the middle of filming Jenny and

0:35:02.776 --> 0:35:06.096
<v Speaker 1>Georgian now, but congratulations on it, and uh, just just everything.

0:35:06.136 --> 0:35:08.056
<v Speaker 1>It's really cool and it was fun to talk to

0:35:08.136 --> 0:35:10.696
<v Speaker 1>you because again, we we we tiptoe when we have

0:35:11.536 --> 0:35:13.776
<v Speaker 1>actors on because we don't know if they actually know

0:35:13.816 --> 0:35:16.856
<v Speaker 1>anything about ball. So thanks for coming on. I really

0:35:16.896 --> 0:35:19.096
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. And what are your for the Broncos man?

0:35:19.136 --> 0:35:21.696
<v Speaker 1>I hope for your sake, I hope they continue to perform.

0:35:21.736 --> 0:35:25.736
<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, man, I do too. You know, Broncos country

0:35:25.896 --> 0:35:27.856
<v Speaker 5>stand up. You know we're gonna We're gonna stick by

0:35:27.896 --> 0:35:30.855
<v Speaker 5>our team. But let's do this again. Sometime we'll actually

0:35:30.936 --> 0:35:32.856
<v Speaker 5>jump in and talk a little bit, a bit of

0:35:32.936 --> 0:35:35.256
<v Speaker 5>deeper football or or whatever sport you know. But I

0:35:35.296 --> 0:35:38.896
<v Speaker 5>appreciate you guys having me on. You know, we finish

0:35:39.016 --> 0:35:42.256
<v Speaker 5>up season four here soon, so the fans will hopefully

0:35:42.296 --> 0:35:43.896
<v Speaker 5>settle down. Jenny and Georgia season four.

0:35:43.936 --> 0:35:45.736
<v Speaker 1>Well, they told us not to ask them. They told

0:35:45.816 --> 0:35:48.376
<v Speaker 1>us not to ask about it at all. So they said,

0:35:48.376 --> 0:35:51.416
<v Speaker 1>don't ask about he's not saying anything. Yeah, So we

0:35:51.496 --> 0:35:53.816
<v Speaker 1>just said, hey, we know you're shooting it. So when

0:35:53.856 --> 0:35:57.376
<v Speaker 1>it's done, come back and we'll talk that way. That

0:35:57.416 --> 0:36:01.656
<v Speaker 1>we've cleared all the like life questions, we'll just talk ball. Yeah,

0:36:01.896 --> 0:36:03.616
<v Speaker 1>he's into that way, all right, Scott, good to see

0:36:03.616 --> 0:36:05.296
<v Speaker 1>about it, Thanks, Scott.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it easy, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>It is time for the weekend preview, presented by DraftKings.

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<v Speaker 1>think they both could probably lose a game. The Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>really can't afford to lose a game. The Chiefs can

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<v Speaker 1>probably lose one more and be fine to go to

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Chiefs win that game, but I thought

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<v Speaker 1>past season. Packers at Lions. We're gonna go with the

0:37:15.536 --> 0:37:17.616
<v Speaker 1>Packers going to the Lions. I think the Packers started

0:37:17.616 --> 0:37:21.136
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<v Speaker 1>bit of you know, it just kind of depends on

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<v Speaker 1>with every season. There's always two or three weeks for

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much every team where they kind of suck. I

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<v Speaker 1>think right now the Bucks are going through that, and

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<v Speaker 1>who knows what's gonna happen with Baker, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers already had theirs. I'm going with the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>over the Lions. And Bears at Eagles. That's so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because the Eagles need to win. That's Black Friday. The

0:37:44.056 --> 0:37:47.296
<v Speaker 1>Bears they can actually afford to lose. If I'm the Bears,

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<v Speaker 1>the Eagles are coming in probably angry. So I'm taking

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're gonna go over and talk with John Madden's

0:39:19.176 --> 0:39:23.096
<v Speaker 1>longtime agent, Sandy Montag. Sandy has represented some of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest names in sports over the years, like Bob Costas,

0:39:26.136 --> 0:39:29.416
<v Speaker 1>Jim Nants, Mike Arco, Scott Van Pelt, and many more.

0:39:29.896 --> 0:39:32.216
<v Speaker 1>Big thanks to Sandy for joining us as the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>continues to celebrate and honor the late John Madden with

0:39:36.016 --> 0:39:40.696
<v Speaker 1>their fourth annual John Madden Thanksgiving Celebration tomorrow. And with

0:39:40.736 --> 0:39:43.816
<v Speaker 1>that being said, here he is Sandy Montag. Hey, Sandy

0:39:43.936 --> 0:39:46.496
<v Speaker 1>is Bobby here? How are you, hey, Bobby? How you

0:39:46.536 --> 0:39:48.456
<v Speaker 1>doing pretty good? Where are you right now? You look

0:39:48.496 --> 0:39:49.576
<v Speaker 1>like you're up tall in the building.

0:39:50.976 --> 0:39:55.776
<v Speaker 6>I am in New York City at our offices near

0:39:56.416 --> 0:39:58.216
<v Speaker 6>the World Trade Center site.

0:39:58.576 --> 0:40:01.816
<v Speaker 1>Man, I love New York except for well, starting about December,

0:40:01.856 --> 0:40:04.136
<v Speaker 1>because I don't like the cold. Do you get out

0:40:04.176 --> 0:40:05.896
<v Speaker 1>of there when it gets cold? Sandy? Do you stay in?

0:40:05.976 --> 0:40:06.056
<v Speaker 3>Is?

0:40:06.096 --> 0:40:06.376
<v Speaker 1>Eat it?

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<v Speaker 6>Both?

0:40:08.256 --> 0:40:08.696
<v Speaker 1>You have to.

0:40:08.816 --> 0:40:11.256
<v Speaker 6>I mean we're based here, so you got to eat

0:40:11.296 --> 0:40:13.216
<v Speaker 6>a little bit of it. I do have a place

0:40:13.216 --> 0:40:16.536
<v Speaker 6>in Miami that I like. I like Miami better in

0:40:16.656 --> 0:40:20.736
<v Speaker 6>the in the winter. But uh yeah, I born and

0:40:20.816 --> 0:40:23.256
<v Speaker 6>raised in New York, went to school in Syracuse, so

0:40:23.376 --> 0:40:26.176
<v Speaker 6>you just you just figure it out.

0:40:26.376 --> 0:40:28.856
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your blood's probably used to a little more than mine.

0:40:28.856 --> 0:40:31.496
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I was reading a lot about your

0:40:31.536 --> 0:40:33.576
<v Speaker 1>life and your history as we're going to talk about

0:40:33.656 --> 0:40:36.536
<v Speaker 1>John Madden a little bit. But when you leave Syracuse,

0:40:36.536 --> 0:40:38.256
<v Speaker 1>how long until you actually meet John.

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<v Speaker 6>I was on the Madden Summer Role crew. I was

0:40:42.096 --> 0:40:45.296
<v Speaker 6>a stats guy at Syracuse besides going to school once

0:40:45.336 --> 0:40:48.496
<v Speaker 6>in a while, so I did, like when ESPN came

0:40:48.616 --> 0:40:50.656
<v Speaker 6>up to do like the biggest game of the week,

0:40:50.856 --> 0:40:53.616
<v Speaker 6>I did stats for the talent, and then when I

0:40:53.776 --> 0:40:56.096
<v Speaker 6>got out, I got on the Madden Summer Ole crew,

0:40:56.176 --> 0:40:59.456
<v Speaker 6>like doing stats in the truck. And then maybe two

0:40:59.536 --> 0:41:02.416
<v Speaker 6>months into that, someone says, hey, Madden needs someone to

0:41:03.136 --> 0:41:06.536
<v Speaker 6>travel with my train. You should talk to him, And

0:41:06.576 --> 0:41:08.216
<v Speaker 6>I said, all right, you know, so I met with

0:41:08.336 --> 0:41:11.096
<v Speaker 6>him and told him I love trains. I'd never been on.

0:41:11.096 --> 0:41:13.976
<v Speaker 1>A train in my life and got the job. And so,

0:41:14.136 --> 0:41:16.256
<v Speaker 1>you know, we've heard the story forever about how he

0:41:16.296 --> 0:41:18.976
<v Speaker 1>did not like to fly. Can you lend to that

0:41:19.016 --> 0:41:21.336
<v Speaker 1>a little because it sounds like it was true, But

0:41:21.416 --> 0:41:23.576
<v Speaker 1>he just would not want to fly for any reason. Whatsoever.

0:41:24.776 --> 0:41:27.976
<v Speaker 6>Well, he flew when he coached the Raiders, he they

0:41:28.056 --> 0:41:30.736
<v Speaker 6>charted and they chartered. I think DC ten is pretty

0:41:30.736 --> 0:41:34.096
<v Speaker 6>big airplane. He was never a great flyer, just.

0:41:35.536 --> 0:41:36.176
<v Speaker 5>He but he did it.

0:41:36.256 --> 0:41:38.976
<v Speaker 6>You know, when you fly private and you fly and charters,

0:41:39.096 --> 0:41:41.616
<v Speaker 6>you can move around. He sat with the pilots. Then

0:41:41.696 --> 0:41:45.256
<v Speaker 6>when he started doing broadcasting, you know, you sit in

0:41:45.696 --> 0:41:47.816
<v Speaker 6>even if it's first class, you're in Sea four B

0:41:48.216 --> 0:41:50.856
<v Speaker 6>and you're locked in. And he just started having panic

0:41:50.896 --> 0:41:54.816
<v Speaker 6>attacks and he didn't know. He didn't He went to

0:41:54.816 --> 0:41:57.016
<v Speaker 6>a doctor, like, is there something wrong with me? And

0:41:57.736 --> 0:42:00.936
<v Speaker 6>so he had claustrophobia, you know, And he didn't like

0:42:01.936 --> 0:42:04.416
<v Speaker 6>when he would stay at hotels. He wouldn't like going

0:42:04.856 --> 0:42:06.816
<v Speaker 6>you know, one of the twentieth floor here would not

0:42:06.896 --> 0:42:09.256
<v Speaker 6>come up to this office. He would always want to

0:42:09.256 --> 0:42:12.696
<v Speaker 6>be like only the only person in an elevator. So

0:42:12.776 --> 0:42:14.416
<v Speaker 6>he was not didn't have a fear of flying. He

0:42:14.456 --> 0:42:15.776
<v Speaker 6>had he had claust your phobia.

0:42:16.376 --> 0:42:19.176
<v Speaker 1>And the relationship developed between you guys. What do you

0:42:19.176 --> 0:42:21.456
<v Speaker 1>think it was about your personalities that matched?

0:42:22.816 --> 0:42:22.976
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:42:23.016 --> 0:42:27.136
<v Speaker 6>I was, you know, I was pretty street smart and

0:42:27.216 --> 0:42:30.456
<v Speaker 6>he was the smartest person that I ever met in

0:42:30.616 --> 0:42:34.216
<v Speaker 6>any subject, not just football. And I think that, you know,

0:42:34.696 --> 0:42:37.976
<v Speaker 6>we we just hit it off. Like I like traveling,

0:42:38.056 --> 0:42:41.936
<v Speaker 6>I liked seeing the country on trains. I like talking

0:42:41.936 --> 0:42:45.976
<v Speaker 6>to people. He would talk to strangers for hours. You know,

0:42:46.056 --> 0:42:49.376
<v Speaker 6>we just we just had a little just a fascination

0:42:49.656 --> 0:42:55.096
<v Speaker 6>over different things really and you know, a deal making

0:42:55.256 --> 0:42:57.576
<v Speaker 6>was kind of like growing up, I always had a

0:42:57.616 --> 0:43:01.296
<v Speaker 6>newspaper route or bagels or selling T shirts or I

0:43:01.416 --> 0:43:05.096
<v Speaker 6>just always selling stuff. And I think he liked the

0:43:05.136 --> 0:43:07.776
<v Speaker 6>this this act. Amen. We just kind of bonded over

0:43:08.376 --> 0:43:12.696
<v Speaker 6>certain things early on, you know, just as guys.

0:43:12.416 --> 0:43:14.176
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned how smart he was. And for me, in

0:43:14.216 --> 0:43:16.336
<v Speaker 1>my mind, I can picture a few different things, but

0:43:16.376 --> 0:43:19.176
<v Speaker 1>they're all larger than life, so they don't seem like

0:43:19.216 --> 0:43:22.536
<v Speaker 1>a real person. Meaning I can see the videos. I

0:43:22.696 --> 0:43:25.016
<v Speaker 1>wasn't obviously alive when he was coaching the Raiders, but

0:43:25.016 --> 0:43:27.256
<v Speaker 1>I can see the videos of that. I can remember

0:43:27.336 --> 0:43:29.336
<v Speaker 1>him in the booth and some are all as an

0:43:29.376 --> 0:43:31.136
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas I gu I'm from Arkansas, so we were always

0:43:31.136 --> 0:43:33.576
<v Speaker 1>like super proud that that happened. And then I can

0:43:33.616 --> 0:43:35.576
<v Speaker 1>see him, you know, as part of the video game,

0:43:35.616 --> 0:43:38.096
<v Speaker 1>which I've had every single year since it has been out,

0:43:38.136 --> 0:43:40.136
<v Speaker 1>Like that has been a massive part of my life.

0:43:40.176 --> 0:43:42.576
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. You say he was really smart.

0:43:42.616 --> 0:43:44.016
<v Speaker 1>Was he extremely studious?

0:43:46.216 --> 0:43:48.696
<v Speaker 6>No, but he knew well, he read a lot. He

0:43:48.776 --> 0:43:53.936
<v Speaker 6>was a student of history. He all types of history,

0:43:53.976 --> 0:43:57.176
<v Speaker 6>you know, whether it's football history, whether it's American history.

0:43:59.336 --> 0:44:02.856
<v Speaker 6>You know, he loved John Steinbeck travels with Charlie. You know,

0:44:02.896 --> 0:44:04.936
<v Speaker 6>when we would travel the country, he would like to

0:44:04.936 --> 0:44:07.096
<v Speaker 6>go into small towns. He wouldn't want to go to

0:44:08.096 --> 0:44:11.656
<v Speaker 6>you know, a chain up on the Highway eighty. It's

0:44:11.696 --> 0:44:16.856
<v Speaker 6>always just like very inquisitive, you know, and just and

0:44:16.896 --> 0:44:20.016
<v Speaker 6>he just there were a lot of times like you know,

0:44:20.056 --> 0:44:24.256
<v Speaker 6>when I started traveling with him, I was twenty two,

0:44:25.216 --> 0:44:28.656
<v Speaker 6>you know, and then I was meeting people, maybe dating,

0:44:28.856 --> 0:44:31.616
<v Speaker 6>and he would, you know, he would tell me, these

0:44:31.616 --> 0:44:34.136
<v Speaker 6>are the type of people you should be dating. And

0:44:34.536 --> 0:44:37.256
<v Speaker 6>we just have an opinion about everything, you know, he

0:44:37.256 --> 0:44:41.056
<v Speaker 6>he uh, you know, it's like a master psychologist in

0:44:41.096 --> 0:44:43.976
<v Speaker 6>a way. And that that's really you know, he studied

0:44:43.976 --> 0:44:44.416
<v Speaker 6>that too.

0:44:44.616 --> 0:44:45.855
<v Speaker 1>So he just.

0:44:47.256 --> 0:44:49.936
<v Speaker 6>And throughout my life, you know, when I had a

0:44:50.016 --> 0:44:53.176
<v Speaker 6>problem or a question, or you come to a fork

0:44:53.176 --> 0:44:56.296
<v Speaker 6>in the road, I would ask him something and like

0:44:56.336 --> 0:44:58.136
<v Speaker 6>I hang up the phone, I'm like, why did I

0:44:58.176 --> 0:45:02.456
<v Speaker 6>think of that. He just he just knew a little

0:45:02.456 --> 0:45:03.776
<v Speaker 6>bit about everything.

0:45:04.056 --> 0:45:07.376
<v Speaker 1>How would you prepare on the train for the games

0:45:07.416 --> 0:45:08.696
<v Speaker 1>that you were going to cover.

0:45:10.336 --> 0:45:15.256
<v Speaker 6>Well, back in the day, he was a the first

0:45:15.496 --> 0:45:19.256
<v Speaker 6>broadcaster to go to practice number one. So when he

0:45:19.336 --> 0:45:24.335
<v Speaker 6>became a broadcaster nineteen eighty broadcasters basically what you did,

0:45:24.776 --> 0:45:26.696
<v Speaker 6>you get in the night before, you meet with the

0:45:26.736 --> 0:45:30.056
<v Speaker 6>pr director for the NFL teams, and you do the game.

0:45:30.456 --> 0:45:32.656
<v Speaker 6>And he was like, well, when are we going to practice? Well, like,

0:45:32.736 --> 0:45:34.296
<v Speaker 6>we don't go to practice, They're not going to let

0:45:34.336 --> 0:45:35.976
<v Speaker 6>us in. He goes, I'm going to prow I'm going

0:45:36.056 --> 0:45:38.136
<v Speaker 6>to get in a day early. I'm going to practice.

0:45:38.176 --> 0:45:42.736
<v Speaker 6>All right, go to practice. So now it's every broadcaster

0:45:42.856 --> 0:45:47.536
<v Speaker 6>and every sport goes to practice. You also get game tape.

0:45:47.936 --> 0:45:50.536
<v Speaker 6>Now it's sent on a you know, on the internet

0:45:50.656 --> 0:45:53.776
<v Speaker 6>or back then I carried a sixty pound bill and

0:45:53.896 --> 0:45:58.056
<v Speaker 6>hell projector where we would have teams would send us

0:45:58.136 --> 0:46:00.896
<v Speaker 6>the game tape and we would watch that, whether it's

0:46:00.896 --> 0:46:02.816
<v Speaker 6>on the train or whether it's when we got to

0:46:03.496 --> 0:46:06.336
<v Speaker 6>the city we're going to. And and you know, John

0:46:06.456 --> 0:46:10.816
<v Speaker 6>was a student of you know, of watching film and

0:46:11.256 --> 0:46:14.056
<v Speaker 6>even like on the Saturday before the game and the

0:46:14.096 --> 0:46:19.176
<v Speaker 6>production meeting myself, Pat summer Ale, producer director John. We

0:46:19.216 --> 0:46:22.456
<v Speaker 6>would watch hours of game tape and you know, summer

0:46:22.496 --> 0:46:26.696
<v Speaker 6>All probably was good for the first forty five minutes

0:46:26.736 --> 0:46:28.696
<v Speaker 6>to an hour, and then he a lot of times

0:46:28.696 --> 0:46:30.656
<v Speaker 6>he'd say I think we we have this, and John

0:46:30.656 --> 0:46:33.296
<v Speaker 6>would got to look at him. We're only halfway. So

0:46:33.336 --> 0:46:36.416
<v Speaker 6>it's it's John was over prepared, like he wanted to

0:46:36.456 --> 0:46:39.656
<v Speaker 6>feel when he was doing a game. In his mind,

0:46:39.736 --> 0:46:43.016
<v Speaker 6>he knew more about those two teams than any two

0:46:43.056 --> 0:46:45.936
<v Speaker 6>people besides the coaches, you know, and that's and he

0:46:46.016 --> 0:46:46.936
<v Speaker 6>wanted to feel.

0:46:46.656 --> 0:46:49.576
<v Speaker 1>That when was the graduation from the train to the

0:46:49.616 --> 0:46:51.976
<v Speaker 1>bus that I think about when I think about the traveling.

0:46:53.736 --> 0:46:55.336
<v Speaker 6>So we did a couple of years. I did a

0:46:55.376 --> 0:46:57.976
<v Speaker 6>couple of years on the train and then he had

0:46:58.016 --> 0:47:02.896
<v Speaker 6>to be somewhere fast, so CBS chartered him a bus.

0:47:02.976 --> 0:47:07.736
<v Speaker 6>It was Dolly Parton's bus, and he took it and

0:47:07.776 --> 0:47:11.016
<v Speaker 6>basically got off that thing and said we need to

0:47:11.056 --> 0:47:15.336
<v Speaker 6>get a bus. So he did an interview actually on

0:47:15.456 --> 0:47:19.576
<v Speaker 6>PBS saying y'all, we're gonna look at and the president

0:47:19.616 --> 0:47:24.736
<v Speaker 6>of Greyhound Lines in eighty seven contacted us and said

0:47:25.096 --> 0:47:26.976
<v Speaker 6>herd John's looking for a bus. We want to give

0:47:27.056 --> 0:47:30.336
<v Speaker 6>him a bus. And that really started the first Madden

0:47:30.376 --> 0:47:33.496
<v Speaker 6>Cruiser and really one of the first when I transitioned

0:47:33.496 --> 0:47:36.936
<v Speaker 6>from Gopher to quote unquote agent, that was really one

0:47:36.936 --> 0:47:40.976
<v Speaker 6>of the first deals I did. You know, Number one,

0:47:41.016 --> 0:47:44.336
<v Speaker 6>we lucked into a computer game which we had no

0:47:44.416 --> 0:47:46.976
<v Speaker 6>idea what it was or where it was going. And

0:47:47.016 --> 0:47:52.376
<v Speaker 6>then the bus and then that changed his life. Really,

0:47:52.656 --> 0:47:56.016
<v Speaker 6>you know, coast to coast Amtrak is seventy two hours.

0:47:56.296 --> 0:47:59.096
<v Speaker 6>You have to change trains in Chicago. He can now

0:47:59.136 --> 0:48:04.296
<v Speaker 6>go coast to coast in fifty hours, NonStop sleep, satellite television,

0:48:05.136 --> 0:48:07.896
<v Speaker 6>the whole Well, it just it's like having a private

0:48:07.976 --> 0:48:10.176
<v Speaker 6>plane that went seventy miles an hour.

0:48:10.776 --> 0:48:12.856
<v Speaker 1>You talk about the Madden game, that to me is

0:48:12.856 --> 0:48:14.856
<v Speaker 1>the game I've by far played more than any game

0:48:14.856 --> 0:48:16.576
<v Speaker 1>of my entire life. I've had every year of it

0:48:16.656 --> 0:48:20.096
<v Speaker 1>since its existence. You say, you guys didn't know what

0:48:20.096 --> 0:48:22.216
<v Speaker 1>you were getting into. What do you mean by that?

0:48:22.856 --> 0:48:25.856
<v Speaker 6>Well, EA, which was Electronic Arts, was founded by the

0:48:25.856 --> 0:48:28.736
<v Speaker 6>guy the name of Trip Hawkins. He went to Harvard,

0:48:29.336 --> 0:48:34.256
<v Speaker 6>designed his own major applied game theory. He had like

0:48:34.256 --> 0:48:38.056
<v Speaker 6>he had a basketball game. He had Larry bird doctor

0:48:38.136 --> 0:48:41.536
<v Speaker 6>J basketball. He had an Earl Weaver baseball, and he

0:48:41.576 --> 0:48:43.776
<v Speaker 6>approached us and said, hey, we want to do a

0:48:43.776 --> 0:48:47.616
<v Speaker 6>football game and put you know, call it John Madden Football.

0:48:48.096 --> 0:48:49.936
<v Speaker 6>And John was like, I have no idea what you're

0:48:49.976 --> 0:48:52.656
<v Speaker 6>talking about. So he came on for a train ride,

0:48:52.856 --> 0:48:56.576
<v Speaker 6>kind of explained what it is and how they're doing it,

0:48:56.656 --> 0:49:00.696
<v Speaker 6>and it came out on computers, on Apple computers, and

0:49:01.296 --> 0:49:04.576
<v Speaker 6>you know, the problem back then with computer memory, you

0:49:04.616 --> 0:49:08.296
<v Speaker 6>could only have eight on eight, so they didn't have

0:49:08.376 --> 0:49:11.376
<v Speaker 6>enough computer memory to have twenty two players. And John said,

0:49:11.376 --> 0:49:14.376
<v Speaker 6>I'm not putting my name on a game unless it's authentic,

0:49:15.136 --> 0:49:18.136
<v Speaker 6>and so we thought, you know, this guy will go away.

0:49:18.376 --> 0:49:20.896
<v Speaker 6>It took two years really for them to figure the

0:49:21.216 --> 0:49:24.456
<v Speaker 6>technology part of it out, but we never really had

0:49:24.496 --> 0:49:26.696
<v Speaker 6>the confidence that this was going anywhere.

0:49:27.296 --> 0:49:27.496
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:49:27.696 --> 0:49:31.296
<v Speaker 6>I mean we're talking late eighties, so there was no

0:49:32.416 --> 0:49:35.056
<v Speaker 6>video games as we know it now, and we both

0:49:35.296 --> 0:49:37.696
<v Speaker 6>you know, they wanted to give him money and put

0:49:37.696 --> 0:49:40.856
<v Speaker 6>his name on it, and we just wanted to be

0:49:40.936 --> 0:49:44.376
<v Speaker 6>more involved in it really, and you know, I remember

0:49:44.496 --> 0:49:46.656
<v Speaker 6>us talking saying we should really ask for like a

0:49:46.696 --> 0:49:49.056
<v Speaker 6>buck or two a game, and he's he's like it

0:49:49.096 --> 0:49:51.416
<v Speaker 6>doesn't make a difference. They're never going to sell one.

0:49:51.856 --> 0:49:55.335
<v Speaker 6>And you know, one hundred and fifty million units later,

0:49:55.576 --> 0:49:58.136
<v Speaker 6>it's kind of worked. But you know, at the time,

0:49:58.936 --> 0:50:00.616
<v Speaker 6>we just didn't think it would ever come out.

0:50:15.936 --> 0:50:19.136
<v Speaker 1>There are just so many elements of popular culture that

0:50:19.976 --> 0:50:23.976
<v Speaker 1>reflect John Madden's influence. If it's SNL when they would

0:50:23.976 --> 0:50:26.576
<v Speaker 1>do sketches, and if it's drawing on the screen, even

0:50:26.616 --> 0:50:30.256
<v Speaker 1>outside of SNL, if it's the video game. When for

0:50:30.416 --> 0:50:33.376
<v Speaker 1>you guys, did you start to realize that he was

0:50:33.416 --> 0:50:35.536
<v Speaker 1>being known as just more than a broadcaster.

0:50:36.416 --> 0:50:39.016
<v Speaker 6>W you know, he did a Miller like commercial in

0:50:39.096 --> 0:50:44.936
<v Speaker 6>the early age that was number one, The Bus. You know,

0:50:45.016 --> 0:50:48.496
<v Speaker 6>he teamed with tat summerle The bus kind of became

0:50:48.576 --> 0:50:51.256
<v Speaker 6>a thing. And I think the video game came out

0:50:51.256 --> 0:50:54.936
<v Speaker 6>in nineteen eighty nine, and I think it was wildly

0:50:55.096 --> 0:50:59.296
<v Speaker 6>successful early on, and I think, you know, right around

0:50:59.336 --> 0:51:02.096
<v Speaker 6>the early nineties. To me, it used to it just

0:51:02.176 --> 0:51:06.416
<v Speaker 6>became like during that time, John and Michael Jordan were

0:51:06.456 --> 0:51:09.256
<v Speaker 6>the two biggest things in advertising. We were getting offers,

0:51:09.336 --> 0:51:13.816
<v Speaker 6>ace hardware, can act in you know, diet coke. It

0:51:14.096 --> 0:51:18.376
<v Speaker 6>just at that time we started, like, you know, I

0:51:18.536 --> 0:51:21.816
<v Speaker 6>was busy the phone was ringing, something's going on here,

0:51:22.016 --> 0:51:24.256
<v Speaker 6>you know. And and the thing about him though, like

0:51:24.336 --> 0:51:30.256
<v Speaker 6>he he never took himself seriously, like when we there

0:51:30.256 --> 0:51:32.856
<v Speaker 6>may have been articles on like the branding of John Madden,

0:51:33.176 --> 0:51:35.656
<v Speaker 6>and He's like, what are they talking about? I'm a

0:51:35.656 --> 0:51:38.976
<v Speaker 6>football coach, you know. And I think he was so authentic.

0:51:39.136 --> 0:51:42.176
<v Speaker 6>But I think in the in our world, he was

0:51:42.256 --> 0:51:45.656
<v Speaker 6>larger than life. And I think the video game and

0:51:45.696 --> 0:51:51.896
<v Speaker 6>I think the popularity of football on television really changed that.

0:51:52.016 --> 0:51:57.376
<v Speaker 6>And then you have Rupert Murdoch getting into, you know,

0:51:57.536 --> 0:52:00.616
<v Speaker 6>taking the NFL from from CBS, John moving over to

0:52:00.696 --> 0:52:03.936
<v Speaker 6>Fox in nineteen ninety four, that was big too, you know,

0:52:03.976 --> 0:52:06.056
<v Speaker 6>that was huge Fox getting in to the business. So

0:52:06.336 --> 0:52:09.176
<v Speaker 6>I think early nineties was a time where I think

0:52:09.216 --> 0:52:12.096
<v Speaker 6>he became larger, started to become larger than life.

0:52:12.216 --> 0:52:14.296
<v Speaker 1>Was it a hard decision for you guys to switch networks?

0:52:15.656 --> 0:52:18.656
<v Speaker 6>No, there's about eight million reasons why we wanted to

0:52:19.016 --> 0:52:22.216
<v Speaker 6>go there. But it was just one of those things

0:52:22.216 --> 0:52:25.456
<v Speaker 6>where look, CBS loses it, right, so we we have

0:52:25.496 --> 0:52:29.576
<v Speaker 6>to go somewhere, you know, And there was ABC was

0:52:29.656 --> 0:52:33.216
<v Speaker 6>interested in going you know, Monday night football. And you know,

0:52:33.616 --> 0:52:36.896
<v Speaker 6>I've told the story before, but basically Rupert Murdoch calls

0:52:37.656 --> 0:52:39.936
<v Speaker 6>me and Barry Frank, who is my boss at IMG,

0:52:40.136 --> 0:52:43.136
<v Speaker 6>and says, give me a number for John Madden. I'll

0:52:43.136 --> 0:52:46.136
<v Speaker 6>call you back in five minutes. And we gave him

0:52:46.176 --> 0:52:49.656
<v Speaker 6>a number. He didn't call back. A CFO called back

0:52:49.856 --> 0:52:52.736
<v Speaker 6>within five minutes and said, what's the address for the contract?

0:52:54.776 --> 0:52:59.576
<v Speaker 6>So it was just like Rupert Murdoch, it was It's

0:52:59.576 --> 0:53:02.496
<v Speaker 6>not like you know, it's playing poker at a different level. Really,

0:53:02.896 --> 0:53:07.456
<v Speaker 6>But I remember him telling me before John did the

0:53:07.496 --> 0:53:11.016
<v Speaker 6>first preseason game in the summer of ninety four for Fox,

0:53:11.296 --> 0:53:14.936
<v Speaker 6>Rupert said they earned back his entire four year contract

0:53:15.056 --> 0:53:17.416
<v Speaker 6>already in the amount of advertising they sold.

0:53:18.016 --> 0:53:22.096
<v Speaker 1>Wow was it or how comfortable or uncomfortable was it?

0:53:22.136 --> 0:53:24.456
<v Speaker 1>Because you come on with John and you are so

0:53:24.616 --> 0:53:27.296
<v Speaker 1>much of an underlaying and now you're representing him and

0:53:27.376 --> 0:53:31.016
<v Speaker 1>you are eros tentacles outside talking to everyone. How did

0:53:31.056 --> 0:53:34.896
<v Speaker 1>that relationship mature? And was it so much easier for

0:53:34.936 --> 0:53:36.496
<v Speaker 1>you guys to trust each other because of all those

0:53:36.576 --> 0:53:38.616
<v Speaker 1>years you had invested each other in each other on

0:53:38.656 --> 0:53:41.016
<v Speaker 1>the training on the bus, Well.

0:53:40.896 --> 0:53:42.776
<v Speaker 6>He didn't want me to leave the road, you know,

0:53:42.816 --> 0:53:46.216
<v Speaker 6>I did. I think two years on the bus. I

0:53:46.256 --> 0:53:48.016
<v Speaker 6>think I traveled with him with three or four years

0:53:48.056 --> 0:53:51.016
<v Speaker 6>and then Super Bowl maybe it was a Super Bowl

0:53:51.056 --> 0:53:56.456
<v Speaker 6>in eighty nine. You know, I said, hey, you know

0:53:56.496 --> 0:54:00.136
<v Speaker 6>I had met someone number one, and you know, I

0:54:00.216 --> 0:54:03.456
<v Speaker 6>was starting to represent you know, one or two other

0:54:03.496 --> 0:54:05.696
<v Speaker 6>people really and I said, look, I I want to

0:54:05.696 --> 0:54:07.416
<v Speaker 6>get someone else to go on the bus with you.

0:54:07.496 --> 0:54:10.056
<v Speaker 6>I want to stay in our offices. And i'mg in

0:54:10.096 --> 0:54:12.536
<v Speaker 6>New York and we and so we had an argument

0:54:12.576 --> 0:54:16.256
<v Speaker 6>about it, but we had a real emotional conversation about

0:54:16.296 --> 0:54:18.536
<v Speaker 6>it that you know, he said, you're never going to

0:54:18.536 --> 0:54:21.456
<v Speaker 6>amount to anything having your feet up on a desk

0:54:21.496 --> 0:54:23.576
<v Speaker 6>in New York eating a bagel that you got. If

0:54:23.616 --> 0:54:25.416
<v Speaker 6>you're going to be successful, you got to got out

0:54:25.456 --> 0:54:28.456
<v Speaker 6>there on the road. You have to meet people, you

0:54:28.576 --> 0:54:31.816
<v Speaker 6>have to you know. And even to this day, I

0:54:31.896 --> 0:54:34.896
<v Speaker 6>go to a lot of games and I see clients

0:54:34.936 --> 0:54:39.656
<v Speaker 6>who are broadcasters or gms or executives, coaches, and you know,

0:54:39.776 --> 0:54:43.496
<v Speaker 6>it's I think he instilled in me, like, to be

0:54:43.576 --> 0:54:46.336
<v Speaker 6>successful in this business, you can't just do it in

0:54:46.376 --> 0:54:50.656
<v Speaker 6>an office. So it was a hard thing. It worked,

0:54:50.976 --> 0:54:53.736
<v Speaker 6>you know, we found someone else to do the road job.

0:54:53.816 --> 0:54:57.696
<v Speaker 6>But you know, our relationship was deepen up where he

0:54:57.816 --> 0:55:00.216
<v Speaker 6>trusted me, and I made a point of I still

0:55:00.256 --> 0:55:02.376
<v Speaker 6>probably went to a half a dozen games of his

0:55:03.496 --> 0:55:07.776
<v Speaker 6>h each year, so you know, it worked, but I

0:55:07.816 --> 0:55:12.176
<v Speaker 6>couldn't really you know, Mark McCormack founded I AMG and

0:55:12.536 --> 0:55:15.815
<v Speaker 6>I really had something going at IMG, and I really

0:55:15.816 --> 0:55:20.056
<v Speaker 6>couldn't further that career, always being in Lincoln, Nebraska.

0:55:20.936 --> 0:55:22.616
<v Speaker 1>How much did it matter to you that John made

0:55:22.656 --> 0:55:23.176
<v Speaker 1>the Hall of Fame?

0:55:23.856 --> 0:55:27.976
<v Speaker 6>I he you know, he said to me, besides his

0:55:28.096 --> 0:55:30.416
<v Speaker 6>kids being born, it was the happiest day of his life.

0:55:30.456 --> 0:55:33.176
<v Speaker 6>You know, I was. We were there in Detroit when

0:55:33.976 --> 0:55:37.296
<v Speaker 6>you know, they announced it on the Saturday before and

0:55:37.376 --> 0:55:40.816
<v Speaker 6>it was on NFL network, and you know they announced

0:55:40.816 --> 0:55:44.656
<v Speaker 6>the names. There were six people that year, five it's

0:55:44.656 --> 0:55:48.416
<v Speaker 6>just his name and I, you know, it was just

0:55:48.616 --> 0:55:51.816
<v Speaker 6>like euphoria in that room. There were maybe half a

0:55:51.816 --> 0:55:55.576
<v Speaker 6>dozen of us, Fred Goadelli, john Son, Mike al Michaels

0:55:57.456 --> 0:56:01.496
<v Speaker 6>and you know, a lot of tears. It was he

0:56:01.696 --> 0:56:03.776
<v Speaker 6>he wanted to go in as a coach, not as

0:56:03.776 --> 0:56:06.656
<v Speaker 6>a contributor or as a broadcaster. You know, he was

0:56:06.696 --> 0:56:09.376
<v Speaker 6>one hundred and eight and thirty two. That's the highest

0:56:09.376 --> 0:56:12.456
<v Speaker 6>winning percentage of any coach who's coached one hundred games,

0:56:12.976 --> 0:56:15.776
<v Speaker 6>and you know, it was a long time coming, and

0:56:15.896 --> 0:56:18.256
<v Speaker 6>that was two thousand and six. He coached his last

0:56:18.296 --> 0:56:22.216
<v Speaker 6>game in nineteen seventy nine, thirty two losses in ten years.

0:56:22.656 --> 0:56:24.296
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he should have been in the Hall of

0:56:24.296 --> 0:56:27.976
<v Speaker 6>Fame earlier, but it was for him, it was just

0:56:28.656 --> 0:56:33.176
<v Speaker 6>it made it all worthwhile. And he went back every

0:56:33.256 --> 0:56:36.456
<v Speaker 6>year after that just to be part of the ceremony.

0:56:37.096 --> 0:56:40.096
<v Speaker 6>We donated the original Madden Cruiser to the Hall of Fame.

0:56:40.216 --> 0:56:43.856
<v Speaker 6>So underprivileged kids in the Midwest, can you know, come

0:56:43.936 --> 0:56:46.256
<v Speaker 6>to the Hall of Fame and learn about football history.

0:56:48.576 --> 0:56:50.896
<v Speaker 6>There's a broadcasting wing there name for him.

0:56:51.056 --> 0:56:51.576
<v Speaker 5>It's just.

0:56:53.056 --> 0:56:56.776
<v Speaker 6>You know that in the Super Bowl win super Bowl

0:56:56.816 --> 0:57:00.976
<v Speaker 6>eleven or the two biggest professional accomplishments for him sixteen Emmys,

0:57:00.976 --> 0:57:01.736
<v Speaker 6>he could care about.

0:57:03.656 --> 0:57:05.696
<v Speaker 1>You know, we were actually worked for the ni This

0:57:05.736 --> 0:57:08.336
<v Speaker 1>is an NFL podcast. It's a property of NFL. And

0:57:08.376 --> 0:57:11.736
<v Speaker 1>so you know with the NFL and Mad and Thanksgiving

0:57:11.736 --> 0:57:15.176
<v Speaker 1>in that relationship and that celebration, how did that get started?

0:57:15.256 --> 0:57:17.136
<v Speaker 1>Like what were the strings and like what was the

0:57:17.256 --> 0:57:18.256
<v Speaker 1>what's the goal of it?

0:57:20.216 --> 0:57:22.936
<v Speaker 6>Well, first, when when John retired in o eight oh nine,

0:57:25.216 --> 0:57:27.896
<v Speaker 6>and I got the sense he was just not enjoying

0:57:27.936 --> 0:57:31.216
<v Speaker 6>traveling as much. He missed his grandkids and all that.

0:57:31.416 --> 0:57:35.216
<v Speaker 6>And you know, his wife called me and said, look,

0:57:35.576 --> 0:57:37.616
<v Speaker 6>I don't know what you have planned, but I didn't

0:57:37.656 --> 0:57:40.856
<v Speaker 6>sign up for this retirement thing, so you got to

0:57:40.936 --> 0:57:45.536
<v Speaker 6>keep him find something to do. I had a conversation

0:57:45.656 --> 0:57:50.216
<v Speaker 6>with Commissioner Goodell about and then they have become friends,

0:57:50.656 --> 0:57:53.096
<v Speaker 6>and I said, you know, let's find a role for

0:57:53.216 --> 0:57:57.016
<v Speaker 6>John within the NFL where he can be have a meaningful,

0:57:58.096 --> 0:58:00.856
<v Speaker 6>you know, relationship and also do some meaningful work. So

0:58:01.096 --> 0:58:04.776
<v Speaker 6>he became a special advisor to Roger and also co

0:58:05.016 --> 0:58:09.936
<v Speaker 6>chaired the Player Safety Committee, which reported to the Competition Committee.

0:58:10.016 --> 0:58:15.136
<v Speaker 6>So he was engaged for a decade and then look,

0:58:15.176 --> 0:58:21.896
<v Speaker 6>he passed. It will be four years next month. And

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<v Speaker 6>you know, Roger is one of the first people I called.

0:58:24.336 --> 0:58:29.096
<v Speaker 6>I thought the NFL should announce this really, and you

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<v Speaker 6>know then we we kind of Roger wanted if he

0:58:33.616 --> 0:58:35.896
<v Speaker 6>formed a small committee. He said, all right, we want

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<v Speaker 6>to honor John in some way. What should we do?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the.

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<v Speaker 6>Committee all agreed. John loved Thanksgiving. It was his favate holiday.

0:58:45.016 --> 0:58:48.456
<v Speaker 6>It's yeah, there are six legged turkeys and Turduckan and

0:58:48.976 --> 0:58:52.736
<v Speaker 6>he loved Thanksgiving. He loved being at a game, whether

0:58:52.776 --> 0:58:55.896
<v Speaker 6>it's Detroit or Dallas, he loved it. And I think

0:58:55.936 --> 0:59:00.536
<v Speaker 6>he became part of America on that day. And we

0:59:00.616 --> 0:59:02.576
<v Speaker 6>all agreed that, you know, we need to honor him

0:59:02.616 --> 0:59:06.456
<v Speaker 6>on Thanksgiving, and you know, the commissioner and the teams

0:59:06.456 --> 0:59:11.016
<v Speaker 6>that are playing, you know, basically agreed that with that.

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<v Speaker 6>And there will be you know, his name will be

0:59:13.736 --> 0:59:16.736
<v Speaker 6>on all on all three fields that are playing that day.

0:59:16.816 --> 0:59:20.216
<v Speaker 6>There'll be a special coin which I could probably show you.

0:59:20.296 --> 0:59:22.016
<v Speaker 6>I just got a copy of it, which will be

0:59:22.456 --> 0:59:25.296
<v Speaker 6>you know, flipped with his head and a production on

0:59:25.616 --> 0:59:28.416
<v Speaker 6>the tail, and they'll be a player of the game.

0:59:29.016 --> 0:59:33.376
<v Speaker 6>And you know it's I think he's probably looking down saying,

0:59:33.896 --> 0:59:36.416
<v Speaker 6>you guys got it right. If you're gonna honor me,

0:59:36.776 --> 0:59:38.936
<v Speaker 6>this is the way I want to be honored on Thanksgiving.

0:59:38.976 --> 0:59:42.256
<v Speaker 6>And I think, you know, I think we did get

0:59:42.296 --> 0:59:44.936
<v Speaker 6>it right. And it feels it just feels like Madden.

0:59:45.656 --> 0:59:48.816
<v Speaker 1>Sandy. I really appreciate the generosity coming on with me

0:59:48.896 --> 0:59:51.056
<v Speaker 1>giving me twenty twenty five minutes to talk about John.

0:59:51.496 --> 0:59:53.936
<v Speaker 1>And I'm a massive fan of just all that you've

0:59:53.936 --> 0:59:56.216
<v Speaker 1>done in many capacities. But to be able to spend

0:59:56.216 --> 0:59:57.656
<v Speaker 1>this time and just talk about John means a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for your time. I hope you have

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<v Speaker 1>a I.

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<v Speaker 6>Just want to show you. I just want to show

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<v Speaker 6>you the coin.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, let me see. I didn't want to make you

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<v Speaker 1>get up.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh it's okay. So they these are the coins.

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<v Speaker 1>That will be uh oh, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 6>Flip banks on Thanksgiving Day. All three those are three

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<v Speaker 6>different ones with the teams that are playing. So it's

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<v Speaker 6>gonna be uh real cool. And it was great being

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<v Speaker 6>with you and a happy Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you too, Sandy. Have a great day, man, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>Take care.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, before we go, I've adjusted my power rankings

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<v Speaker 1>for the week. We are still sitting with the Rams

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<v Speaker 1>at number one. The Eagles fell from their loss with

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys. We'll hear more from them in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>I do have the Broncos at number two, even though

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<v Speaker 1>again they've been winning barely, barely barely. And I got

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<v Speaker 1>the chiefs Now number three at six and five. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>they were number four last week. But I've got the

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<v Speaker 1>chiefs Now sitting right in that third spot with a

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<v Speaker 1>record of six and five. I got the Eagles at

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<v Speaker 1>fourth with eight and three and you know your past.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm leaving them. They're not there for what are

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<v Speaker 1>they tended to? Yep, their fifth. I'm not letting them

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<v Speaker 1>jump over the Eagles quite yet. The Eagles did lose.

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<v Speaker 1>What the Pats do beat the Bengals. Yeah, but that count.

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<v Speaker 1>It shouldn't have been a tough, gritty win. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Drake May's never thrown for three hundred yards. Yeah, when

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<v Speaker 1>they said that on the broadcast, that actually surprised me.

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<v Speaker 1>It surprised me too. The Colts were on deck last week.

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<v Speaker 1>They're still on deck. So I did think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good look for the Colts in a loss.

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<v Speaker 1>Meaning they did go to to Kansas City and lose

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<v Speaker 1>a close game. They played their faces off. So not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot has changed except the Chiefs are exactly who

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<v Speaker 1>I said they were. Everybody giving up on them. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even a Chiefs fan. I don't know why to

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<v Speaker 1>fit them so much. Okay, that's what's up. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>guys for being here. I hope you have awesome holiday,

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<v Speaker 1>and thanks to our guests. And that's Matt Castle. That's Kickoff, Kevin,

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