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Speaker 1: Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 2: We Got Lots to save, We got lots to save?

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Speaker 3: What the backer here? And we hope you say because

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Speaker 3: we got lost?

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Speaker 1: Just say, yeah, we got lots to say.

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Speaker 2: Here's Bobby and that.

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Speaker 1: Everybody welcome. We are getting an episode before Thanksgiving, which

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Speaker 1: feels good. Well, this show comes out on a Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: So what are you doing for Thanksgiving? I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: out in California with the family. You guys have Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: over there? We do.

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Speaker 4: It's shockingly even with the weather still being like seventy degrees,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like the Holidays. I'd like to say,

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Speaker 1: no place that gets that doesn't get below fifty, you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have Thanksgiving. I would that's your rule. That's my rule.

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't get below it doesn't have to be

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Speaker 1: below fifty on Thanksgiving. But if your city never gets

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Speaker 1: below fifty, you should not get to celebrate things getting Well,

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Speaker 1: they got the.

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Speaker 4: La Nina out there right now, so maybe they do

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Speaker 4: drop temperatures and it'll get to like forty nine.

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Speaker 1: In the morning. Acceptable, But until then, it's going to

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Speaker 1: go back up. Yeah, what do you guys do? Like,

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Speaker 1: what's the what's the tradition? You know what?

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Speaker 4: The last few years, my wife's been taking the kids

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Speaker 4: happen to have a game out there. We've got UCLA

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Speaker 4: just going to stay out there, and my whole family's

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Speaker 4: coming out on Friday, so we get together, we see

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Speaker 4: both sides of the family, will probably do a Thanksgiving

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Speaker 4: on Wednesday, and then my wife staying for Thursday. I've

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Speaker 4: got to go actually back to New York to go

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Speaker 4: do studio Friday, Yes, and then guess what, I'm coming

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Speaker 4: right back for US UCLA. Oh do they at least

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Speaker 4: give you a lay down bed? No, No, it's just

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Speaker 4: Southwest probably. I don't know LA New York. No, I

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Speaker 4: have no idea what they're flying me out on. Oh

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Speaker 4: my god, I haven't got that far ahead yet. So

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a lot of travel. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: it is what it is. What are you doing? We're

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Speaker 4: gonna go to Oklahoma?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Joe with me? I don't even sing it right,

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Speaker 1: stupid song plays all the time because Oklahoma's actually good

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Speaker 1: at football. It sucks. They are good, Yeah suck, It

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Speaker 1: doesn't suck. I root for them because of my father

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Speaker 1: to know this. I root for them because of my

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Speaker 1: My wife like rubs it in. Oh, she talks a

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Speaker 1: little smack. Well, we're not good, not good. It's really

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Speaker 1: I wonder what it's like to have to wait for

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Speaker 1: So it just like it's a I'm my guts are

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Speaker 1: to Fatteville. We'll do both. Yeah, and luckily they're close,

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Speaker 1: so we'll do that and you know, eat food and

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Speaker 1: Be merry and watch football, watch football one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: We have Scott Porter coming up in a second. So

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Speaker 1: Scott Porter was in Friday Night Lights, and I got

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Speaker 1: to admit this now, I've never seen an episode. Really,

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Speaker 1: don't tell him that I won't. And when he comes on,

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Speaker 1: Friday Night Lights. And I'm not anti Friday Night Lights.

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Speaker 1: Kevin, you watch it. I didn't watch all of it,

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Speaker 1: He didn't like, what do you mean? I was like,

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Speaker 1: so basically you crushed. It was fine. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, I get curly. So that's what I know.

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Speaker 1: Scott from Scott's Big Broncos Fan, So uh yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: go all right, Hey Scott, good to see about it.

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Speaker 5: Hey, good to see it. A long time?

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Speaker 1: Why do you say long We were just talking about this.

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Speaker 5: Because Austin, Texas, we talked way back when Friday Night

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Speaker 1: Okay, I had a Yes, Austin, Texas is correct. I

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Speaker 1: absolutely true because they filmed that in Austin when I

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Speaker 1: Did you go off to the set? No, I never

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know if Scott's gonna

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Speaker 1: So good to see you, buddy, I see I see

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Speaker 5: My wife was actually a cheerleader at the University of Texas.

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Speaker 5: she actually cheered in the National Championship.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you've got the Broncos swag on your radiar roll,

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Speaker 4: so obviously your Broncos fan. Big big win this last

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Speaker 5: Air, Yeah, I would say, man, I mean getting that

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Speaker 5: And Pat Mahomes is still the best in the game.

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Speaker 5: It was huge. But yeah, massive Broncos fan have been

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Speaker 1: Evaluate Bo Nicks this performance this year as a fan, well.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to be Dragonslayer sixty nine hiding in

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Speaker 5: you know, drinking his mountain dew like the drop and said.

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Speaker 5: It is. Streaming extended the life of Friday Night Lights

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Speaker 1: and you look at your career the juxtaposition of being

431
00:20:38,576 --> 00:20:40,736
Speaker 1: able to sing, being able to do theater and act,

432
00:20:40,816 --> 00:20:44,136
Speaker 1: also being a great athlete, and again it seems like

433
00:20:44,296 --> 00:20:48,016
Speaker 1: that juxtaposition, it feels odd because both usually don't happen

434
00:20:48,056 --> 00:20:49,656
Speaker 1: at the same time. But what I've noticed with them

435
00:20:49,936 --> 00:20:51,416
Speaker 1: is as well, and I've talked about this with them,

436
00:20:51,735 --> 00:20:53,696
Speaker 1: is that a lot of what they learned in sports,

437
00:20:53,896 --> 00:20:55,656
Speaker 1: like the dealing with adversity. It's what you just talked

438
00:20:55,696 --> 00:20:59,136
Speaker 1: about is actually what makes them a great artist because

439
00:20:59,176 --> 00:21:01,776
Speaker 1: they can take a lot of the nose when they

440
00:21:01,776 --> 00:21:05,376
Speaker 1: come to town. Work ethic is a massive part of it.

441
00:21:05,696 --> 00:21:08,496
Speaker 1: So it's dealing with diversity. It's listening back watching bag

442
00:21:08,576 --> 00:21:14,535
Speaker 1: tape and then just continuing to go and grow. And

443
00:21:14,616 --> 00:21:16,936
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of what you just said.

444
00:21:17,336 --> 00:21:20,416
Speaker 1: But were you an athlete or a creative first?

445
00:21:21,896 --> 00:21:24,776
Speaker 5: I was an athlete first. I mean I grew up,

446
00:21:24,936 --> 00:21:27,896
Speaker 5: like I said, in Nebraska, where you know, Husker football

447
00:21:27,975 --> 00:21:32,176
Speaker 5: is your religion. The College World Series happened in Omaha

448
00:21:32,215 --> 00:21:34,096
Speaker 5: where I was growing up. We went every single year.

449
00:21:34,776 --> 00:21:38,336
Speaker 5: And you know, there is a drive that you learn

450
00:21:38,656 --> 00:21:42,416
Speaker 5: through athletics that you can apply almost everywhere. There is

451
00:21:42,455 --> 00:21:46,215
Speaker 5: a stick toitiveness that you have to learn, you know,

452
00:21:46,656 --> 00:21:48,736
Speaker 5: get knocked down, get back up, get knocked down, get

453
00:21:48,735 --> 00:21:50,096
Speaker 5: back up. And I think a lot of people don't

454
00:21:50,176 --> 00:21:55,416
Speaker 5: understand in the world of music or television film, you

455
00:21:55,455 --> 00:21:58,576
Speaker 5: get knocked down so much and you just have to

456
00:21:58,656 --> 00:22:02,096
Speaker 5: be able to keep getting back up. And yeah, those

457
00:22:02,136 --> 00:22:05,376
Speaker 5: parallels are are all there. But I was athletic first,

458
00:22:05,416 --> 00:22:08,216
Speaker 5: and I was also academic first. You know. I took

459
00:22:08,215 --> 00:22:10,776
Speaker 5: AP courses in high school and college j ap CAALC

460
00:22:10,816 --> 00:22:13,776
Speaker 5: and AP physics and set myself up, like I said,

461
00:22:13,776 --> 00:22:17,495
Speaker 5: to be a structural engineer. And music to me is

462
00:22:17,536 --> 00:22:21,896
Speaker 5: all math and really filmmaking kind of has their own

463
00:22:21,936 --> 00:22:24,336
Speaker 5: formulas as well. So I think I come at this

464
00:22:24,376 --> 00:22:27,136
Speaker 5: business a little bit different than most people. I come

465
00:22:27,176 --> 00:22:30,376
Speaker 5: at it from a number standpoint to inform the artistry

466
00:22:30,495 --> 00:22:33,215
Speaker 5: and then allow the artistry to kind of come in

467
00:22:33,256 --> 00:22:35,656
Speaker 5: at the end. But I look at the numbers and

468
00:22:35,696 --> 00:22:38,816
Speaker 5: the formulas and you know, the rhythms and see how

469
00:22:38,816 --> 00:22:41,136
Speaker 5: to get everything lined up and then make you know,

470
00:22:41,256 --> 00:22:43,495
Speaker 5: like the last decisions. And that's kind of what like

471
00:22:43,536 --> 00:22:45,255
Speaker 5: a quarterback has to do. Right. You get up to

472
00:22:45,296 --> 00:22:47,456
Speaker 5: the line, you've got to play. Everything's all set, You've

473
00:22:47,656 --> 00:22:50,615
Speaker 5: completely prepared. You've done this thing over and over and

474
00:22:50,656 --> 00:22:53,056
Speaker 5: over again hundreds of times in practice. You walk up

475
00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:55,416
Speaker 5: and you see that the defense is doing something you've

476
00:22:55,455 --> 00:22:58,056
Speaker 5: never seen before, and you get the freestyle. And that's

477
00:22:58,136 --> 00:23:00,656
Speaker 5: like how I look at what I do. Kind of

478
00:23:00,856 --> 00:23:03,056
Speaker 5: you know, we prep, we prep, we prep, We get

479
00:23:03,056 --> 00:23:05,256
Speaker 5: to set, and then the actor on the other side

480
00:23:05,256 --> 00:23:09,495
Speaker 5: of you know, scene from me says something in a

481
00:23:09,495 --> 00:23:12,176
Speaker 5: way I'd never heard before, and then we get to

482
00:23:12,215 --> 00:23:15,096
Speaker 5: play and that's you know, that's that's set.

483
00:23:15,136 --> 00:23:15,495
Speaker 3: Hut.

484
00:23:15,616 --> 00:23:18,215
Speaker 5: Now we're we're moving and free freestyling, and that's kind

485
00:23:18,215 --> 00:23:18,576
Speaker 5: of cool.

486
00:23:18,975 --> 00:23:21,176
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bobby I don't know if you saw last week

487
00:23:21,215 --> 00:23:25,136
Speaker 4: he's done with reality television, but you also were on

488
00:23:25,296 --> 00:23:27,215
Speaker 4: Reality Tells. You're on the Mass Singer. I don't know

489
00:23:27,256 --> 00:23:29,056
Speaker 4: if you saw that he went off, but you gotta

490
00:23:29,056 --> 00:23:32,255
Speaker 4: look it up. And that was awesome, by the way,

491
00:23:32,455 --> 00:23:34,576
Speaker 4: But do you have a beef with reality television? But

492
00:23:34,616 --> 00:23:37,536
Speaker 4: more importantly, talk to me about why you did Mass Singer.

493
00:23:37,696 --> 00:23:39,735
Speaker 1: You finished second, right, you were incredible on it.

494
00:23:40,896 --> 00:23:45,096
Speaker 5: I did finish second to somebody that Bobby mentioned earlier

495
00:23:45,136 --> 00:23:49,696
Speaker 5: in this interview, Vanessa Hudgens. We were we were competing

496
00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:52,056
Speaker 5: in the same season together, and I should have known

497
00:23:52,056 --> 00:23:54,015
Speaker 5: from the start that I wasn't gonna get it. But

498
00:23:54,616 --> 00:23:57,336
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, again like I did

499
00:23:57,376 --> 00:24:03,376
Speaker 5: it because for a long time Hollywood had rules and

500
00:24:03,735 --> 00:24:06,416
Speaker 5: boundaries set up that if you wanted to be a

501
00:24:06,416 --> 00:24:09,015
Speaker 5: film actor, you could be nothing but a film actor.

502
00:24:09,136 --> 00:24:10,615
Speaker 5: If you were a film actor and then you went

503
00:24:10,656 --> 00:24:13,975
Speaker 5: and did something on television, oh my god, you're not

504
00:24:13,975 --> 00:24:16,495
Speaker 5: allowed to be in film anymore. If you were a

505
00:24:16,776 --> 00:24:18,736
Speaker 5: you know, a television actor, and you went and did

506
00:24:18,776 --> 00:24:22,255
Speaker 5: like a run and a musical, oh my god, now

507
00:24:22,336 --> 00:24:24,296
Speaker 5: you can't be a television actor anymore. And it was

508
00:24:24,336 --> 00:24:26,575
Speaker 5: such an odd thing. So I came from a very

509
00:24:26,656 --> 00:24:30,416
Speaker 5: musical background and I came out to Hollywood and I

510
00:24:30,455 --> 00:24:33,576
Speaker 5: still wanted to sing, and a lot of people were

511
00:24:33,616 --> 00:24:36,656
Speaker 5: telling me, oh, that's cute. You did you know musicals

512
00:24:36,656 --> 00:24:39,256
Speaker 5: in New York. But now you're a television actor. Now

513
00:24:39,256 --> 00:24:40,896
Speaker 5: you got to be a television actor. And I had

514
00:24:40,936 --> 00:24:43,255
Speaker 5: to kind of put that part away for a while.

515
00:24:43,856 --> 00:24:45,296
Speaker 5: And it was such a big part of my life

516
00:24:45,336 --> 00:24:48,216
Speaker 5: growing up. And when they showed up and asked, I mean,

517
00:24:48,256 --> 00:24:50,376
Speaker 5: at first, I was definitely like, I don't know if

518
00:24:50,416 --> 00:24:52,455
Speaker 5: I can do this, And then I was like, but wait,

519
00:24:52,495 --> 00:24:55,775
Speaker 5: Meryl Streep's on a half hour on Hulu, and you know,

520
00:24:55,896 --> 00:24:58,616
Speaker 5: people you never knew could sing are on Broadway doing

521
00:24:58,616 --> 00:25:01,416
Speaker 5: It's like, it's such a cool world now where everybody's

522
00:25:01,455 --> 00:25:04,616
Speaker 5: really allowed to do all of the things that they're

523
00:25:04,616 --> 00:25:08,336
Speaker 5: good at, and it's applauded now, whereas it used to

524
00:25:08,376 --> 00:25:11,015
Speaker 5: be kind of poo pooed back in the day. As

525
00:25:11,056 --> 00:25:14,336
Speaker 5: far as reality television, you know, I'm a Survivor fan,

526
00:25:14,776 --> 00:25:16,696
Speaker 5: have been ever since it came on, Like to the

527
00:25:16,696 --> 00:25:19,815
Speaker 5: point that I lived in Tokyo for a year singing

528
00:25:19,816 --> 00:25:25,535
Speaker 5: and beatboxing, and my mom recorded Survivor Amazon on VHS

529
00:25:25,536 --> 00:25:27,015
Speaker 5: and sent it to me so I could watch it

530
00:25:27,056 --> 00:25:30,455
Speaker 5: when I was living in Japan. So massive fan of

531
00:25:30,536 --> 00:25:33,376
Speaker 5: the kind of competition reality stuff, not all of it,

532
00:25:33,896 --> 00:25:36,815
Speaker 5: but the stuff that has like real competitive elements. I

533
00:25:36,856 --> 00:25:38,536
Speaker 5: am a fan of because I look at them as

534
00:25:38,616 --> 00:25:40,736
Speaker 5: kind of like the world's greatest game shows, Like it's

535
00:25:40,776 --> 00:25:42,936
Speaker 5: a million dollar prize at the end of Survivor. That's

536
00:25:42,936 --> 00:25:45,855
Speaker 5: a game show. So I kind of, you know, I

537
00:25:45,936 --> 00:25:48,336
Speaker 5: lay out on most of the other stuff, the housewives

538
00:25:48,376 --> 00:25:51,896
Speaker 5: stuff all that. The only show I do watch with

539
00:25:51,975 --> 00:25:55,656
Speaker 5: my wife every week is Below Deck on Bravo, So

540
00:25:55,856 --> 00:25:58,576
Speaker 5: got to give that one a shout out. But I'm

541
00:25:58,576 --> 00:26:01,416
Speaker 5: not a huge fan of reality, but the experience of

542
00:26:01,495 --> 00:26:05,896
Speaker 5: Mass Singer was really pretty freeing for me. And everybody

543
00:26:05,975 --> 00:26:08,896
Speaker 5: does a show like that for different reasons, but that

544
00:26:09,096 --> 00:26:12,936
Speaker 5: was really for me, and it's rare in this business

545
00:26:12,975 --> 00:26:16,896
Speaker 5: you get to do something for you and and that

546
00:26:17,056 --> 00:26:17,536
Speaker 5: was my one.

547
00:26:18,215 --> 00:26:19,975
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did Dance with the Stars because the network

548
00:26:20,016 --> 00:26:23,136
Speaker 1: made me do it still and then and then I won,

549
00:26:23,376 --> 00:26:25,896
Speaker 1: and then people still kill me for it. That's what

550
00:26:25,936 --> 00:26:28,296
Speaker 1: he's referring to. Ad A. I have a heart, I

551
00:26:28,616 --> 00:26:31,215
Speaker 1: can see my foot, but I tore my ankle recently,

552
00:26:31,376 --> 00:26:32,936
Speaker 1: and I was on pain pills last week and I

553
00:26:33,056 --> 00:26:35,575
Speaker 1: was just melted down about Dancing with the Stars. So

554
00:26:35,816 --> 00:26:38,176
Speaker 1: is a whole issue, Scott, Hey give me.

555
00:26:38,296 --> 00:26:44,016
Speaker 5: But yeah, wow, you got You've got the Golden Crystal

556
00:26:44,016 --> 00:26:45,096
Speaker 5: Ball or whatever it's called.

557
00:26:45,136 --> 00:26:48,136
Speaker 1: Yeah, the mirror Ball. I mailed it back because I

558
00:26:48,176 --> 00:26:50,176
Speaker 1: was pissed. I mailed it back. But I did win.

559
00:26:50,256 --> 00:26:52,496
Speaker 1: I did win the show. But hey, give me your

560
00:26:52,495 --> 00:26:55,416
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore of I'm gonna do this double Mount Rushmore

561
00:26:55,455 --> 00:26:57,775
Speaker 1: of Denver Broncos all time your favorite, and then I

562
00:26:57,816 --> 00:27:01,176
Speaker 1: want non Bronco Mount Rushmore as well. So it's two

563
00:27:01,256 --> 00:27:02,215
Speaker 1: different sets of four.

564
00:27:04,056 --> 00:27:08,816
Speaker 5: Oh man, you are really catching me here, All time

565
00:27:08,816 --> 00:27:19,096
Speaker 5: Mount Rushmore, Denver Broncos players, D Marius, John Elway, T

566
00:27:19,296 --> 00:27:22,176
Speaker 5: D Steve Atwater, M.

567
00:27:22,616 --> 00:27:27,816
Speaker 1: That's a great list. Wow. No no, uh no McCaffrey.

568
00:27:29,056 --> 00:27:34,055
Speaker 1: No McCaffrey, but I mean Atwater unbelievable. But no Peyton,

569
00:27:35,136 --> 00:27:37,016
Speaker 1: No Peyton, but Peyton was only there for a few years.

570
00:27:37,056 --> 00:27:39,056
Speaker 1: But Peyton did win the Super Bowl. I'm not judging

571
00:27:39,056 --> 00:27:39,616
Speaker 1: his lest.

572
00:27:39,455 --> 00:27:42,295
Speaker 5: Here's what you guys got to understand as an eighties

573
00:27:42,376 --> 00:27:44,336
Speaker 5: kid who is a Broncos fan, I don't think there's

574
00:27:44,336 --> 00:27:49,136
Speaker 5: many of me around. I came up. I watched Elway's

575
00:27:49,176 --> 00:27:53,176
Speaker 5: magic against the Browns, you know, a couple of times,

576
00:27:53,696 --> 00:27:57,136
Speaker 5: and I watched him take teams that were lower in

577
00:27:57,256 --> 00:28:01,215
Speaker 5: talent level and go up against these NFC Juggernauts, uh,

578
00:28:01,256 --> 00:28:04,616
Speaker 5: you know, losing against the former Redskins you know now commanders,

579
00:28:04,975 --> 00:28:07,696
Speaker 5: but Doug Williams watching them get you know, crushed by

580
00:28:07,696 --> 00:28:09,576
Speaker 5: the Giants and they get blown out fifty five to

581
00:28:09,576 --> 00:28:15,696
Speaker 5: ten by the Niners in nineteen ninety and Elway dragged

582
00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:18,735
Speaker 5: those teams to Super Bowls and then finally got to

583
00:28:18,856 --> 00:28:21,416
Speaker 5: in the late nineties. So anybody who's my age that's

584
00:28:21,416 --> 00:28:23,616
Speaker 5: been around for this long, I don't. I think a

585
00:28:23,616 --> 00:28:25,215
Speaker 5: lot of young fans are like, oh, Peyton's one of

586
00:28:25,256 --> 00:28:27,535
Speaker 5: the greatest of all time. But when Elway retired, he

587
00:28:27,656 --> 00:28:30,015
Speaker 5: led the league and wins. The one stat that matters

588
00:28:30,096 --> 00:28:32,455
Speaker 5: more than anything else. He also led the league in

589
00:28:32,536 --> 00:28:37,136
Speaker 5: fourth quarter or overtime comebacks when he retired, and that

590
00:28:37,296 --> 00:28:40,256
Speaker 5: is just a will to win, man. And that's where

591
00:28:40,256 --> 00:28:42,856
Speaker 5: like Bo gets little shades, you know, little shades of that.

592
00:28:43,016 --> 00:28:44,976
Speaker 5: A lot of fourth quarter comes back for this little kid,

593
00:28:45,016 --> 00:28:47,736
Speaker 5: you know, for this younger guy. You know, he's he's

594
00:28:47,776 --> 00:28:50,456
Speaker 5: a long way off. But Elway, I don't think people

595
00:28:50,576 --> 00:28:55,216
Speaker 5: understand how great Elway was and his arm oh god,

596
00:28:55,816 --> 00:28:58,576
Speaker 5: and the guy that I really struggle not putting up there.

597
00:28:58,976 --> 00:29:01,855
Speaker 5: And if DT's not on, there is Shannon Shark. Shannon

598
00:29:01,896 --> 00:29:06,776
Speaker 5: Sharps also on that Mount rushmore uh for me. So

599
00:29:06,856 --> 00:29:09,056
Speaker 5: if it's not DT, it's Shannon Sharp. And that's the

600
00:29:09,056 --> 00:29:11,056
Speaker 5: biggest decision point. That's why I took the pause in

601
00:29:11,096 --> 00:29:15,976
Speaker 5: the beginning. But but Atwater was just he was the

602
00:29:15,976 --> 00:29:18,736
Speaker 5: hardest hitty you've ever seen. TD came in and is

603
00:29:18,776 --> 00:29:20,536
Speaker 5: in the Hall of Fame with a shortened career because

604
00:29:20,576 --> 00:29:22,936
Speaker 5: they tours me up and in ol Way, I just don't.

605
00:29:22,936 --> 00:29:24,216
Speaker 5: I don't think there's an argument there.

606
00:29:24,296 --> 00:29:27,296
Speaker 1: Do the other do the non Bronco for non Bronco

607
00:29:27,376 --> 00:29:30,016
Speaker 1: for non Bronco fur.

608
00:29:29,976 --> 00:29:31,736
Speaker 4: He's like, I don't know anybody else that plays in

609
00:29:31,776 --> 00:29:35,136
Speaker 4: the league, Bronco, Broncos.

610
00:29:36,216 --> 00:29:40,576
Speaker 5: Non Bronco four. I mean, it's got to be it's

611
00:29:40,576 --> 00:29:46,816
Speaker 5: got to be Brady, it's got to be Rice and

612
00:29:47,096 --> 00:29:52,056
Speaker 5: oh man, this is man. This the league is so deep,

613
00:29:52,096 --> 00:29:59,856
Speaker 5: it's been around for so long. Barry Sanders, I gotta

614
00:29:59,896 --> 00:30:05,336
Speaker 5: find somebody defensively, man, and it's it's really tough. You've

615
00:30:05,496 --> 00:30:11,376
Speaker 5: you know, you've got Dion, You've got Lawrence Taylor. LT

616
00:30:11,736 --> 00:30:15,376
Speaker 5: changed the league completely. The reason left tackles get paid

617
00:30:15,376 --> 00:30:19,855
Speaker 5: the day is because of what Lawrence Taylor did. So

618
00:30:19,896 --> 00:30:26,376
Speaker 5: I'm going to put LT on there. Lawrence Taylor, Barry Sanders,

619
00:30:27,056 --> 00:30:28,936
Speaker 5: Jerry Rice, Tom Brady.

620
00:30:28,936 --> 00:30:32,736
Speaker 1: That's a solid that is to put Mac Castle on there.

621
00:30:32,776 --> 00:30:34,815
Speaker 1: My favorite quarterback of all time. But you know what,

622
00:30:34,936 --> 00:30:37,656
Speaker 1: that's you, it's yoursmore.

623
00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:39,976
Speaker 4: Do you actually get to get out to any games

624
00:30:40,256 --> 00:30:44,616
Speaker 4: because that that environment, the Broncos Stadium mile at mile High,

625
00:30:44,816 --> 00:30:46,576
Speaker 4: There's not many places that you go and you're a

626
00:30:46,576 --> 00:30:49,976
Speaker 4: little bit intimidated by. But they yes played there multiple

627
00:30:49,976 --> 00:30:51,776
Speaker 4: times because I used to play for the Chiefs and

628
00:30:51,776 --> 00:30:54,096
Speaker 4: every time we went there. I mean that crowd gets

629
00:30:54,216 --> 00:30:57,536
Speaker 4: after it. Great cheerleaders too, We.

630
00:30:57,576 --> 00:31:00,816
Speaker 5: Love it, man. I mean I get to go to games. Yeah,

631
00:31:00,896 --> 00:31:02,736
Speaker 5: I get to go even more now that the Chargers

632
00:31:02,736 --> 00:31:05,296
Speaker 5: are in LA as well, and I get to go,

633
00:31:05,576 --> 00:31:07,416
Speaker 5: you know, one game a year where I live, which

634
00:31:07,456 --> 00:31:10,815
Speaker 5: is kind of cool. But I go to Denver and

635
00:31:10,816 --> 00:31:12,856
Speaker 5: I still call it mile High. I know it's got

636
00:31:12,856 --> 00:31:14,936
Speaker 5: a bunch of other names, you know, but it's still

637
00:31:16,016 --> 00:31:18,096
Speaker 5: it's still to me mile high. But the coolest thing

638
00:31:18,216 --> 00:31:25,176
Speaker 5: was two thanksgivings, a go great game Broncos Vikings Thanksgiving weekend,

639
00:31:26,416 --> 00:31:29,216
Speaker 5: and I got to take my kids. My son is

640
00:31:29,256 --> 00:31:33,216
Speaker 5: a Rams fan. He's come by it naturally through the pandemic.

641
00:31:33,456 --> 00:31:35,456
Speaker 5: His favorite color was green. When he was four, he

642
00:31:35,496 --> 00:31:37,656
Speaker 5: thought he was an Eagles fan. Then he came to

643
00:31:37,696 --> 00:31:40,776
Speaker 5: his senses when he was five, Aaron Donald was his

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Speaker 5: favorite player. He's seen the Rams won a Super Bowl, so,

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Speaker 5: you know, and my daughter is kind of split. And

646
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Speaker 5: I asked him if they wanted to go, and they said, yeah,

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00:31:50,936 --> 00:31:52,536
Speaker 5: we went. We got to go down on the field.

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Speaker 5: They got to meet Thunder, which is the horse's name.

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Speaker 5: We got to see the flyover. We got to see

650
00:31:57,696 --> 00:32:00,736
Speaker 5: guys parachute in. But the coolest thing about it is,

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00:32:00,976 --> 00:32:03,536
Speaker 5: and even you can even hear it on radio calls.

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00:32:04,176 --> 00:32:10,176
Speaker 5: Every time a quarterback throws an incomplete pass, the stadium

653
00:32:10,216 --> 00:32:12,896
Speaker 5: announcer comes on and says, and the opposing quarterbacks pass

654
00:32:13,056 --> 00:32:17,896
Speaker 5: is in. The entire crowd yells complete at the quarterback,

655
00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:21,416
Speaker 5: which is so good. They have little metal stanchions down

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00:32:21,536 --> 00:32:23,576
Speaker 5: the on you know, over the cement. So when you

657
00:32:23,616 --> 00:32:27,095
Speaker 5: when you stomp that medal is hitting that concrete, it

658
00:32:27,096 --> 00:32:29,096
Speaker 5: gets so loud, it gets so great. I mean, you

659
00:32:29,136 --> 00:32:31,336
Speaker 5: played in one of the loudest stadiums that this world

660
00:32:31,336 --> 00:32:33,656
Speaker 5: has ever seen in Arrowhead. But I like to think

661
00:32:33,736 --> 00:32:35,336
Speaker 5: Mile High gives it a run for its money. And

662
00:32:35,696 --> 00:32:40,656
Speaker 5: we we love our franchise, especially the fans that came

663
00:32:40,736 --> 00:32:43,776
Speaker 5: up with Pat bowl and who's maybe you know what

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Speaker 5: he should be on Mount Rushmore. Pat Bowlan is the

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00:32:46,696 --> 00:32:49,815
Speaker 5: greatest Bronco of all time because what he did as

666
00:32:49,856 --> 00:32:52,815
Speaker 5: an owner for so long, I mean set the record

667
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Speaker 5: for you know, consecutive playoff appearances by a franchise, made

668
00:32:57,536 --> 00:33:01,256
Speaker 5: all the right moves, made great coaching hires, really loved

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Speaker 5: and knew the sport of football. So you know, I

670
00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:09,296
Speaker 5: think we respect him so much and we were just

671
00:33:09,416 --> 00:33:11,536
Speaker 5: you know, I think we have a really solid fan

672
00:33:11,536 --> 00:33:14,056
Speaker 5: base because we had owners who cared and we had

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00:33:14,096 --> 00:33:16,696
Speaker 5: players who would fight for them. And it's pretty cool

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00:33:16,696 --> 00:33:17,456
Speaker 5: club to be a part of.

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Speaker 1: Final question, greatest in person game you've ever been to?

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Speaker 5: Oh man, you know, my wife would tell you it

677
00:33:29,016 --> 00:33:32,736
Speaker 5: was the Big Twelve Championship where Sue and Dominic and

678
00:33:32,776 --> 00:33:37,416
Speaker 5: Sue almost single handedly destroyed Texas, and Colt McCoy threw

679
00:33:37,456 --> 00:33:39,776
Speaker 5: a ball out of bounds and somehow there was still

680
00:33:39,816 --> 00:33:41,696
Speaker 5: one second left on the clock and then they kick

681
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Speaker 5: a field goal to beat us. That was one of

682
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Speaker 5: the greatest games I've ever been to, even though the

683
00:33:47,576 --> 00:33:53,176
Speaker 5: Huskers came out on the wrong side of it. But man,

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Speaker 5: let's see probably and it doesn't evolve my team. I mean,

685
00:33:57,696 --> 00:34:01,096
Speaker 5: I should say super Bowl fifty, you know, defensive battle.

686
00:34:01,496 --> 00:34:04,736
Speaker 5: I was there in Santa Clara. I watched a very

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Speaker 5: similar perform rmans by the Broncos defense shut Cam Newton

688
00:34:07,856 --> 00:34:12,776
Speaker 5: down and actually get the win. That was That was

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Speaker 5: I should say that. But I was in the end

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00:34:17,456 --> 00:34:22,336
Speaker 5: zone as Plexico Buris caught a touchdown to beat the

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Speaker 5: undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: And Day I was there too.

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Speaker 5: He was there too, I mean, even as a even

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Speaker 5: as a guy, like as a Broncos fan at Super

695
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Speaker 5: Bowl fifty, but as just a fan overall. Like the

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Speaker 5: magnitude of that game and the plays that happened in it,

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00:34:42,656 --> 00:34:46,096
Speaker 5: the Tyree catch, and I mean just so much happened

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00:34:46,096 --> 00:34:46,536
Speaker 5: in that game.

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Speaker 1: It was insane, so funny to hear two different perspectives

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Speaker 1: on that game. Yeah, that one hurt. That one hurt

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 4: I was right there witnessing the same thing going. It's

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Speaker 4: from such a different perspective point. Scott Porter knows ball.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. Hey Scott, congratulations man.

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Speaker 1: I know you're in the middle of filming Jenny and

706
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Speaker 1: Georgian now, but congratulations on it, and uh, just just everything.

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Speaker 1: It's really cool and it was fun to talk to

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00:35:08,136 --> 00:35:10,696
Speaker 1: you because again, we we we tiptoe when we have

709
00:35:11,536 --> 00:35:13,776
Speaker 1: actors on because we don't know if they actually know

710
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Speaker 1: anything about ball. So thanks for coming on. I really

711
00:35:16,896 --> 00:35:19,096
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And what are your for the Broncos man?

712
00:35:19,136 --> 00:35:21,696
Speaker 1: I hope for your sake, I hope they continue to perform.

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00:35:21,736 --> 00:35:25,736
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, man, I do too. You know, Broncos country

714
00:35:25,896 --> 00:35:27,856
Speaker 5: stand up. You know we're gonna We're gonna stick by

715
00:35:27,896 --> 00:35:30,855
Speaker 5: our team. But let's do this again. Sometime we'll actually

716
00:35:30,936 --> 00:35:32,856
Speaker 5: jump in and talk a little bit, a bit of

717
00:35:32,936 --> 00:35:35,256
Speaker 5: deeper football or or whatever sport you know. But I

718
00:35:35,296 --> 00:35:38,896
Speaker 5: appreciate you guys having me on. You know, we finish

719
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Speaker 5: up season four here soon, so the fans will hopefully

720
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Speaker 5: settle down. Jenny and Georgia season four.

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Speaker 1: Well, they told us not to ask them. They told

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Speaker 1: us not to ask about it at all. So they said,

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Speaker 1: don't ask about he's not saying anything. Yeah, So we

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Speaker 1: just said, hey, we know you're shooting it. So when

725
00:35:53,856 --> 00:35:57,376
Speaker 1: it's done, come back and we'll talk that way. That

726
00:35:57,416 --> 00:36:01,656
Speaker 1: we've cleared all the like life questions, we'll just talk ball. Yeah,

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00:36:01,896 --> 00:36:03,616
Speaker 1: he's into that way, all right, Scott, good to see

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Speaker 1: about it, Thanks, Scott.

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Speaker 3: Take it easy, all right.

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Speaker 1: It is time for the weekend preview, presented by DraftKings.

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Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs win that game, but I thought

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Speaker 1: past season. Packers at Lions. We're gonna go with the

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna go over and talk with John Madden's

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Speaker 1: longtime agent, Sandy Montag. Sandy has represented some of the

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Speaker 1: Big thanks to Sandy for joining us as the NFL

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Speaker 1: continues to celebrate and honor the late John Madden with

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Speaker 1: their fourth annual John Madden Thanksgiving Celebration tomorrow. And with

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Speaker 1: that being said, here he is Sandy Montag. Hey, Sandy

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Speaker 1: is Bobby here? How are you, hey, Bobby? How you

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Speaker 1: doing pretty good? Where are you right now? You look

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Speaker 1: like you're up tall in the building.

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Speaker 6: I am in New York City at our offices near

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Speaker 6: the World Trade Center site.

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Speaker 1: Man, I love New York except for well, starting about December,

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Speaker 1: because I don't like the cold. Do you get out

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Speaker 1: of there when it gets cold? Sandy? Do you stay in?

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 1: Eat it?

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Speaker 6: Both?

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Speaker 1: You have to.

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Speaker 6: I mean we're based here, so you got to eat

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Speaker 6: a little bit of it. I do have a place

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Speaker 6: in Miami that I like. I like Miami better in

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Speaker 6: the in the winter. But uh yeah, I born and

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Speaker 6: raised in New York, went to school in Syracuse, so

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Speaker 6: you just you just figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your blood's probably used to a little more than mine.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was reading a lot about your

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Speaker 1: life and your history as we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: John Madden a little bit. But when you leave Syracuse,

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Speaker 1: how long until you actually meet John.

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Speaker 6: I was on the Madden Summer Role crew. I was

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Speaker 6: a stats guy at Syracuse besides going to school once

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Speaker 6: in a while, so I did, like when ESPN came

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Speaker 6: up to do like the biggest game of the week,

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Speaker 6: I did stats for the talent, and then when I

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Speaker 6: got out, I got on the Madden Summer Ole crew,

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Speaker 6: like doing stats in the truck. And then maybe two

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Speaker 6: months into that, someone says, hey, Madden needs someone to

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Speaker 6: travel with my train. You should talk to him, And

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Speaker 6: I said, all right, you know, so I met with

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Speaker 6: him and told him I love trains. I'd never been on.

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Speaker 1: A train in my life and got the job. And so,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've heard the story forever about how he

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Speaker 1: did not like to fly. Can you lend to that

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Speaker 1: a little because it sounds like it was true, But

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Speaker 1: he just would not want to fly for any reason. Whatsoever.

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Speaker 6: Well, he flew when he coached the Raiders, he they

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Speaker 6: charted and they chartered. I think DC ten is pretty

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Speaker 6: big airplane. He was never a great flyer, just.

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Speaker 5: He but he did it.

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Speaker 6: You know, when you fly private and you fly and charters,

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Speaker 6: you can move around. He sat with the pilots. Then

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Speaker 6: when he started doing broadcasting, you know, you sit in

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Speaker 6: even if it's first class, you're in Sea four B

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Speaker 6: and you're locked in. And he just started having panic

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Speaker 6: attacks and he didn't know. He didn't He went to

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Speaker 6: a doctor, like, is there something wrong with me? And

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Speaker 6: so he had claustrophobia, you know, And he didn't like

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Speaker 6: when he would stay at hotels. He wouldn't like going

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Speaker 6: you know, one of the twentieth floor here would not

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Speaker 6: come up to this office. He would always want to

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Speaker 6: be like only the only person in an elevator. So

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Speaker 6: he was not didn't have a fear of flying. He

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Speaker 6: had he had claust your phobia.

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Speaker 1: And the relationship developed between you guys. What do you

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Speaker 1: think it was about your personalities that matched?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 6: I was, you know, I was pretty street smart and

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Speaker 6: he was the smartest person that I ever met in

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Speaker 6: any subject, not just football. And I think that, you know,

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00:42:34,696 --> 00:42:37,976
Speaker 6: we we just hit it off. Like I like traveling,

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Speaker 6: I liked seeing the country on trains. I like talking

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Speaker 6: to people. He would talk to strangers for hours. You know,

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Speaker 6: we just we just had a little just a fascination

857
00:42:49,656 --> 00:42:55,096
Speaker 6: over different things really and you know, a deal making

858
00:42:55,256 --> 00:42:57,576
Speaker 6: was kind of like growing up, I always had a

859
00:42:57,616 --> 00:43:01,296
Speaker 6: newspaper route or bagels or selling T shirts or I

860
00:43:01,416 --> 00:43:05,096
Speaker 6: just always selling stuff. And I think he liked the

861
00:43:05,136 --> 00:43:07,776
Speaker 6: this this act. Amen. We just kind of bonded over

862
00:43:08,376 --> 00:43:12,696
Speaker 6: certain things early on, you know, just as guys.

863
00:43:12,416 --> 00:43:14,176
Speaker 1: You mentioned how smart he was. And for me, in

864
00:43:14,216 --> 00:43:16,336
Speaker 1: my mind, I can picture a few different things, but

865
00:43:16,376 --> 00:43:19,176
Speaker 1: they're all larger than life, so they don't seem like

866
00:43:19,216 --> 00:43:22,536
Speaker 1: a real person. Meaning I can see the videos. I

867
00:43:22,696 --> 00:43:25,016
Speaker 1: wasn't obviously alive when he was coaching the Raiders, but

868
00:43:25,016 --> 00:43:27,256
Speaker 1: I can see the videos of that. I can remember

869
00:43:27,336 --> 00:43:29,336
Speaker 1: him in the booth and some are all as an

870
00:43:29,376 --> 00:43:31,136
Speaker 1: Arkansas I gu I'm from Arkansas, so we were always

871
00:43:31,136 --> 00:43:33,576
Speaker 1: like super proud that that happened. And then I can

872
00:43:33,616 --> 00:43:35,576
Speaker 1: see him, you know, as part of the video game,

873
00:43:35,616 --> 00:43:38,096
Speaker 1: which I've had every single year since it has been out,

874
00:43:38,136 --> 00:43:40,136
Speaker 1: Like that has been a massive part of my life.

875
00:43:40,176 --> 00:43:42,576
Speaker 1: So I don't know. You say he was really smart.

876
00:43:42,616 --> 00:43:44,016
Speaker 1: Was he extremely studious?

877
00:43:46,216 --> 00:43:48,696
Speaker 6: No, but he knew well, he read a lot. He

878
00:43:48,776 --> 00:43:53,936
Speaker 6: was a student of history. He all types of history,

879
00:43:53,976 --> 00:43:57,176
Speaker 6: you know, whether it's football history, whether it's American history.

880
00:43:59,336 --> 00:44:02,856
Speaker 6: You know, he loved John Steinbeck travels with Charlie. You know,

881
00:44:02,896 --> 00:44:04,936
Speaker 6: when we would travel the country, he would like to

882
00:44:04,936 --> 00:44:07,096
Speaker 6: go into small towns. He wouldn't want to go to

883
00:44:08,096 --> 00:44:11,656
Speaker 6: you know, a chain up on the Highway eighty. It's

884
00:44:11,696 --> 00:44:16,856
Speaker 6: always just like very inquisitive, you know, and just and

885
00:44:16,896 --> 00:44:20,016
Speaker 6: he just there were a lot of times like you know,

886
00:44:20,056 --> 00:44:24,256
Speaker 6: when I started traveling with him, I was twenty two,

887
00:44:25,216 --> 00:44:28,656
Speaker 6: you know, and then I was meeting people, maybe dating,

888
00:44:28,856 --> 00:44:31,616
Speaker 6: and he would, you know, he would tell me, these

889
00:44:31,616 --> 00:44:34,136
Speaker 6: are the type of people you should be dating. And

890
00:44:34,536 --> 00:44:37,256
Speaker 6: we just have an opinion about everything, you know, he

891
00:44:37,256 --> 00:44:41,056
Speaker 6: he uh, you know, it's like a master psychologist in

892
00:44:41,096 --> 00:44:43,976
Speaker 6: a way. And that that's really you know, he studied

893
00:44:43,976 --> 00:44:44,416
Speaker 6: that too.

894
00:44:44,616 --> 00:44:45,855
Speaker 1: So he just.

895
00:44:47,256 --> 00:44:49,936
Speaker 6: And throughout my life, you know, when I had a

896
00:44:50,016 --> 00:44:53,176
Speaker 6: problem or a question, or you come to a fork

897
00:44:53,176 --> 00:44:56,296
Speaker 6: in the road, I would ask him something and like

898
00:44:56,336 --> 00:44:58,136
Speaker 6: I hang up the phone, I'm like, why did I

899
00:44:58,176 --> 00:45:02,456
Speaker 6: think of that. He just he just knew a little

900
00:45:02,456 --> 00:45:03,776
Speaker 6: bit about everything.

901
00:45:04,056 --> 00:45:07,376
Speaker 1: How would you prepare on the train for the games

902
00:45:07,416 --> 00:45:08,696
Speaker 1: that you were going to cover.

903
00:45:10,336 --> 00:45:15,256
Speaker 6: Well, back in the day, he was a the first

904
00:45:15,496 --> 00:45:19,256
Speaker 6: broadcaster to go to practice number one. So when he

905
00:45:19,336 --> 00:45:24,335
Speaker 6: became a broadcaster nineteen eighty broadcasters basically what you did,

906
00:45:24,776 --> 00:45:26,696
Speaker 6: you get in the night before, you meet with the

907
00:45:26,736 --> 00:45:30,056
Speaker 6: pr director for the NFL teams, and you do the game.

908
00:45:30,456 --> 00:45:32,656
Speaker 6: And he was like, well, when are we going to practice? Well, like,

909
00:45:32,736 --> 00:45:34,296
Speaker 6: we don't go to practice, They're not going to let

910
00:45:34,336 --> 00:45:35,976
Speaker 6: us in. He goes, I'm going to prow I'm going

911
00:45:36,056 --> 00:45:38,136
Speaker 6: to get in a day early. I'm going to practice.

912
00:45:38,176 --> 00:45:42,736
Speaker 6: All right, go to practice. So now it's every broadcaster

913
00:45:42,856 --> 00:45:47,536
Speaker 6: and every sport goes to practice. You also get game tape.

914
00:45:47,936 --> 00:45:50,536
Speaker 6: Now it's sent on a you know, on the internet

915
00:45:50,656 --> 00:45:53,776
Speaker 6: or back then I carried a sixty pound bill and

916
00:45:53,896 --> 00:45:58,056
Speaker 6: hell projector where we would have teams would send us

917
00:45:58,136 --> 00:46:00,896
Speaker 6: the game tape and we would watch that, whether it's

918
00:46:00,896 --> 00:46:02,816
Speaker 6: on the train or whether it's when we got to

919
00:46:03,496 --> 00:46:06,336
Speaker 6: the city we're going to. And and you know, John

920
00:46:06,456 --> 00:46:10,816
Speaker 6: was a student of you know, of watching film and

921
00:46:11,256 --> 00:46:14,056
Speaker 6: even like on the Saturday before the game and the

922
00:46:14,096 --> 00:46:19,176
Speaker 6: production meeting myself, Pat summer Ale, producer director John. We

923
00:46:19,216 --> 00:46:22,456
Speaker 6: would watch hours of game tape and you know, summer

924
00:46:22,496 --> 00:46:26,696
Speaker 6: All probably was good for the first forty five minutes

925
00:46:26,736 --> 00:46:28,696
Speaker 6: to an hour, and then he a lot of times

926
00:46:28,696 --> 00:46:30,656
Speaker 6: he'd say I think we we have this, and John

927
00:46:30,656 --> 00:46:33,296
Speaker 6: would got to look at him. We're only halfway. So

928
00:46:33,336 --> 00:46:36,416
Speaker 6: it's it's John was over prepared, like he wanted to

929
00:46:36,456 --> 00:46:39,656
Speaker 6: feel when he was doing a game. In his mind,

930
00:46:39,736 --> 00:46:43,016
Speaker 6: he knew more about those two teams than any two

931
00:46:43,056 --> 00:46:45,936
Speaker 6: people besides the coaches, you know, and that's and he

932
00:46:46,016 --> 00:46:46,936
Speaker 6: wanted to feel.

933
00:46:46,656 --> 00:46:49,576
Speaker 1: That when was the graduation from the train to the

934
00:46:49,616 --> 00:46:51,976
Speaker 1: bus that I think about when I think about the traveling.

935
00:46:53,736 --> 00:46:55,336
Speaker 6: So we did a couple of years. I did a

936
00:46:55,376 --> 00:46:57,976
Speaker 6: couple of years on the train and then he had

937
00:46:58,016 --> 00:47:02,896
Speaker 6: to be somewhere fast, so CBS chartered him a bus.

938
00:47:02,976 --> 00:47:07,736
Speaker 6: It was Dolly Parton's bus, and he took it and

939
00:47:07,776 --> 00:47:11,016
Speaker 6: basically got off that thing and said we need to

940
00:47:11,056 --> 00:47:15,336
Speaker 6: get a bus. So he did an interview actually on

941
00:47:15,456 --> 00:47:19,576
Speaker 6: PBS saying y'all, we're gonna look at and the president

942
00:47:19,616 --> 00:47:24,736
Speaker 6: of Greyhound Lines in eighty seven contacted us and said

943
00:47:25,096 --> 00:47:26,976
Speaker 6: herd John's looking for a bus. We want to give

944
00:47:27,056 --> 00:47:30,336
Speaker 6: him a bus. And that really started the first Madden

945
00:47:30,376 --> 00:47:33,496
Speaker 6: Cruiser and really one of the first when I transitioned

946
00:47:33,496 --> 00:47:36,936
Speaker 6: from Gopher to quote unquote agent, that was really one

947
00:47:36,936 --> 00:47:40,976
Speaker 6: of the first deals I did. You know, Number one,

948
00:47:41,016 --> 00:47:44,336
Speaker 6: we lucked into a computer game which we had no

949
00:47:44,416 --> 00:47:46,976
Speaker 6: idea what it was or where it was going. And

950
00:47:47,016 --> 00:47:52,376
Speaker 6: then the bus and then that changed his life. Really,

951
00:47:52,656 --> 00:47:56,016
Speaker 6: you know, coast to coast Amtrak is seventy two hours.

952
00:47:56,296 --> 00:47:59,096
Speaker 6: You have to change trains in Chicago. He can now

953
00:47:59,136 --> 00:48:04,296
Speaker 6: go coast to coast in fifty hours, NonStop sleep, satellite television,

954
00:48:05,136 --> 00:48:07,896
Speaker 6: the whole Well, it just it's like having a private

955
00:48:07,976 --> 00:48:10,176
Speaker 6: plane that went seventy miles an hour.

956
00:48:10,776 --> 00:48:12,856
Speaker 1: You talk about the Madden game, that to me is

957
00:48:12,856 --> 00:48:14,856
Speaker 1: the game I've by far played more than any game

958
00:48:14,856 --> 00:48:16,576
Speaker 1: of my entire life. I've had every year of it

959
00:48:16,656 --> 00:48:20,096
Speaker 1: since its existence. You say, you guys didn't know what

960
00:48:20,096 --> 00:48:22,216
Speaker 1: you were getting into. What do you mean by that?

961
00:48:22,856 --> 00:48:25,856
Speaker 6: Well, EA, which was Electronic Arts, was founded by the

962
00:48:25,856 --> 00:48:28,736
Speaker 6: guy the name of Trip Hawkins. He went to Harvard,

963
00:48:29,336 --> 00:48:34,256
Speaker 6: designed his own major applied game theory. He had like

964
00:48:34,256 --> 00:48:38,056
Speaker 6: he had a basketball game. He had Larry bird doctor

965
00:48:38,136 --> 00:48:41,536
Speaker 6: J basketball. He had an Earl Weaver baseball, and he

966
00:48:41,576 --> 00:48:43,776
Speaker 6: approached us and said, hey, we want to do a

967
00:48:43,776 --> 00:48:47,616
Speaker 6: football game and put you know, call it John Madden Football.

968
00:48:48,096 --> 00:48:49,936
Speaker 6: And John was like, I have no idea what you're

969
00:48:49,976 --> 00:48:52,656
Speaker 6: talking about. So he came on for a train ride,

970
00:48:52,856 --> 00:48:56,576
Speaker 6: kind of explained what it is and how they're doing it,

971
00:48:56,656 --> 00:49:00,696
Speaker 6: and it came out on computers, on Apple computers, and

972
00:49:01,296 --> 00:49:04,576
Speaker 6: you know, the problem back then with computer memory, you

973
00:49:04,616 --> 00:49:08,296
Speaker 6: could only have eight on eight, so they didn't have

974
00:49:08,376 --> 00:49:11,376
Speaker 6: enough computer memory to have twenty two players. And John said,

975
00:49:11,376 --> 00:49:14,376
Speaker 6: I'm not putting my name on a game unless it's authentic,

976
00:49:15,136 --> 00:49:18,136
Speaker 6: and so we thought, you know, this guy will go away.

977
00:49:18,376 --> 00:49:20,896
Speaker 6: It took two years really for them to figure the

978
00:49:21,216 --> 00:49:24,456
Speaker 6: technology part of it out, but we never really had

979
00:49:24,496 --> 00:49:26,696
Speaker 6: the confidence that this was going anywhere.

980
00:49:27,296 --> 00:49:27,496
Speaker 3: You know.

981
00:49:27,696 --> 00:49:31,296
Speaker 6: I mean we're talking late eighties, so there was no

982
00:49:32,416 --> 00:49:35,056
Speaker 6: video games as we know it now, and we both

983
00:49:35,296 --> 00:49:37,696
Speaker 6: you know, they wanted to give him money and put

984
00:49:37,696 --> 00:49:40,856
Speaker 6: his name on it, and we just wanted to be

985
00:49:40,936 --> 00:49:44,376
Speaker 6: more involved in it really, and you know, I remember

986
00:49:44,496 --> 00:49:46,656
Speaker 6: us talking saying we should really ask for like a

987
00:49:46,696 --> 00:49:49,056
Speaker 6: buck or two a game, and he's he's like it

988
00:49:49,096 --> 00:49:51,416
Speaker 6: doesn't make a difference. They're never going to sell one.

989
00:49:51,856 --> 00:49:55,335
Speaker 6: And you know, one hundred and fifty million units later,

990
00:49:55,576 --> 00:49:58,136
Speaker 6: it's kind of worked. But you know, at the time,

991
00:49:58,936 --> 00:50:00,616
Speaker 6: we just didn't think it would ever come out.

992
00:50:15,936 --> 00:50:19,136
Speaker 1: There are just so many elements of popular culture that

993
00:50:19,976 --> 00:50:23,976
Speaker 1: reflect John Madden's influence. If it's SNL when they would

994
00:50:23,976 --> 00:50:26,576
Speaker 1: do sketches, and if it's drawing on the screen, even

995
00:50:26,616 --> 00:50:30,256
Speaker 1: outside of SNL, if it's the video game. When for

996
00:50:30,416 --> 00:50:33,376
Speaker 1: you guys, did you start to realize that he was

997
00:50:33,416 --> 00:50:35,536
Speaker 1: being known as just more than a broadcaster.

998
00:50:36,416 --> 00:50:39,016
Speaker 6: W you know, he did a Miller like commercial in

999
00:50:39,096 --> 00:50:44,936
Speaker 6: the early age that was number one, The Bus. You know,

1000
00:50:45,016 --> 00:50:48,496
Speaker 6: he teamed with tat summerle The bus kind of became

1001
00:50:48,576 --> 00:50:51,256
Speaker 6: a thing. And I think the video game came out

1002
00:50:51,256 --> 00:50:54,936
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty nine, and I think it was wildly

1003
00:50:55,096 --> 00:50:59,296
Speaker 6: successful early on, and I think, you know, right around

1004
00:50:59,336 --> 00:51:02,096
Speaker 6: the early nineties. To me, it used to it just

1005
00:51:02,176 --> 00:51:06,416
Speaker 6: became like during that time, John and Michael Jordan were

1006
00:51:06,456 --> 00:51:09,256
Speaker 6: the two biggest things in advertising. We were getting offers,

1007
00:51:09,336 --> 00:51:13,816
Speaker 6: ace hardware, can act in you know, diet coke. It

1008
00:51:14,096 --> 00:51:18,376
Speaker 6: just at that time we started, like, you know, I

1009
00:51:18,536 --> 00:51:21,816
Speaker 6: was busy the phone was ringing, something's going on here,

1010
00:51:22,016 --> 00:51:24,256
Speaker 6: you know. And and the thing about him though, like

1011
00:51:24,336 --> 00:51:30,256
Speaker 6: he he never took himself seriously, like when we there

1012
00:51:30,256 --> 00:51:32,856
Speaker 6: may have been articles on like the branding of John Madden,

1013
00:51:33,176 --> 00:51:35,656
Speaker 6: and He's like, what are they talking about? I'm a

1014
00:51:35,656 --> 00:51:38,976
Speaker 6: football coach, you know. And I think he was so authentic.

1015
00:51:39,136 --> 00:51:42,176
Speaker 6: But I think in the in our world, he was

1016
00:51:42,256 --> 00:51:45,656
Speaker 6: larger than life. And I think the video game and

1017
00:51:45,696 --> 00:51:51,896
Speaker 6: I think the popularity of football on television really changed that.

1018
00:51:52,016 --> 00:51:57,376
Speaker 6: And then you have Rupert Murdoch getting into, you know,

1019
00:51:57,536 --> 00:52:00,616
Speaker 6: taking the NFL from from CBS, John moving over to

1020
00:52:00,696 --> 00:52:03,936
Speaker 6: Fox in nineteen ninety four, that was big too, you know,

1021
00:52:03,976 --> 00:52:06,056
Speaker 6: that was huge Fox getting in to the business. So

1022
00:52:06,336 --> 00:52:09,176
Speaker 6: I think early nineties was a time where I think

1023
00:52:09,216 --> 00:52:12,096
Speaker 6: he became larger, started to become larger than life.

1024
00:52:12,216 --> 00:52:14,296
Speaker 1: Was it a hard decision for you guys to switch networks?

1025
00:52:15,656 --> 00:52:18,656
Speaker 6: No, there's about eight million reasons why we wanted to

1026
00:52:19,016 --> 00:52:22,216
Speaker 6: go there. But it was just one of those things

1027
00:52:22,216 --> 00:52:25,456
Speaker 6: where look, CBS loses it, right, so we we have

1028
00:52:25,496 --> 00:52:29,576
Speaker 6: to go somewhere, you know, And there was ABC was

1029
00:52:29,656 --> 00:52:33,216
Speaker 6: interested in going you know, Monday night football. And you know,

1030
00:52:33,616 --> 00:52:36,896
Speaker 6: I've told the story before, but basically Rupert Murdoch calls

1031
00:52:37,656 --> 00:52:39,936
Speaker 6: me and Barry Frank, who is my boss at IMG,

1032
00:52:40,136 --> 00:52:43,136
Speaker 6: and says, give me a number for John Madden. I'll

1033
00:52:43,136 --> 00:52:46,136
Speaker 6: call you back in five minutes. And we gave him

1034
00:52:46,176 --> 00:52:49,656
Speaker 6: a number. He didn't call back. A CFO called back

1035
00:52:49,856 --> 00:52:52,736
Speaker 6: within five minutes and said, what's the address for the contract?

1036
00:52:54,776 --> 00:52:59,576
Speaker 6: So it was just like Rupert Murdoch, it was It's

1037
00:52:59,576 --> 00:53:02,496
Speaker 6: not like you know, it's playing poker at a different level. Really,

1038
00:53:02,896 --> 00:53:07,456
Speaker 6: But I remember him telling me before John did the

1039
00:53:07,496 --> 00:53:11,016
Speaker 6: first preseason game in the summer of ninety four for Fox,

1040
00:53:11,296 --> 00:53:14,936
Speaker 6: Rupert said they earned back his entire four year contract

1041
00:53:15,056 --> 00:53:17,416
Speaker 6: already in the amount of advertising they sold.

1042
00:53:18,016 --> 00:53:22,096
Speaker 1: Wow was it or how comfortable or uncomfortable was it?

1043
00:53:22,136 --> 00:53:24,456
Speaker 1: Because you come on with John and you are so

1044
00:53:24,616 --> 00:53:27,296
Speaker 1: much of an underlaying and now you're representing him and

1045
00:53:27,376 --> 00:53:31,016
Speaker 1: you are eros tentacles outside talking to everyone. How did

1046
00:53:31,056 --> 00:53:34,896
Speaker 1: that relationship mature? And was it so much easier for

1047
00:53:34,936 --> 00:53:36,496
Speaker 1: you guys to trust each other because of all those

1048
00:53:36,576 --> 00:53:38,616
Speaker 1: years you had invested each other in each other on

1049
00:53:38,656 --> 00:53:41,016
Speaker 1: the training on the bus, Well.

1050
00:53:40,896 --> 00:53:42,776
Speaker 6: He didn't want me to leave the road, you know,

1051
00:53:42,816 --> 00:53:46,216
Speaker 6: I did. I think two years on the bus. I

1052
00:53:46,256 --> 00:53:48,016
Speaker 6: think I traveled with him with three or four years

1053
00:53:48,056 --> 00:53:51,016
Speaker 6: and then Super Bowl maybe it was a Super Bowl

1054
00:53:51,056 --> 00:53:56,456
Speaker 6: in eighty nine. You know, I said, hey, you know

1055
00:53:56,496 --> 00:54:00,136
Speaker 6: I had met someone number one, and you know, I

1056
00:54:00,216 --> 00:54:03,456
Speaker 6: was starting to represent you know, one or two other

1057
00:54:03,496 --> 00:54:05,696
Speaker 6: people really and I said, look, I I want to

1058
00:54:05,696 --> 00:54:07,416
Speaker 6: get someone else to go on the bus with you.

1059
00:54:07,496 --> 00:54:10,056
Speaker 6: I want to stay in our offices. And i'mg in

1060
00:54:10,096 --> 00:54:12,536
Speaker 6: New York and we and so we had an argument

1061
00:54:12,576 --> 00:54:16,256
Speaker 6: about it, but we had a real emotional conversation about

1062
00:54:16,296 --> 00:54:18,536
Speaker 6: it that you know, he said, you're never going to

1063
00:54:18,536 --> 00:54:21,456
Speaker 6: amount to anything having your feet up on a desk

1064
00:54:21,496 --> 00:54:23,576
Speaker 6: in New York eating a bagel that you got. If

1065
00:54:23,616 --> 00:54:25,416
Speaker 6: you're going to be successful, you got to got out

1066
00:54:25,456 --> 00:54:28,456
Speaker 6: there on the road. You have to meet people, you

1067
00:54:28,576 --> 00:54:31,816
Speaker 6: have to you know. And even to this day, I

1068
00:54:31,896 --> 00:54:34,896
Speaker 6: go to a lot of games and I see clients

1069
00:54:34,936 --> 00:54:39,656
Speaker 6: who are broadcasters or gms or executives, coaches, and you know,

1070
00:54:39,776 --> 00:54:43,496
Speaker 6: it's I think he instilled in me, like, to be

1071
00:54:43,576 --> 00:54:46,336
Speaker 6: successful in this business, you can't just do it in

1072
00:54:46,376 --> 00:54:50,656
Speaker 6: an office. So it was a hard thing. It worked,

1073
00:54:50,976 --> 00:54:53,736
Speaker 6: you know, we found someone else to do the road job.

1074
00:54:53,816 --> 00:54:57,696
Speaker 6: But you know, our relationship was deepen up where he

1075
00:54:57,816 --> 00:55:00,216
Speaker 6: trusted me, and I made a point of I still

1076
00:55:00,256 --> 00:55:02,376
Speaker 6: probably went to a half a dozen games of his

1077
00:55:03,496 --> 00:55:07,776
Speaker 6: h each year, so you know, it worked, but I

1078
00:55:07,816 --> 00:55:12,176
Speaker 6: couldn't really you know, Mark McCormack founded I AMG and

1079
00:55:12,536 --> 00:55:15,815
Speaker 6: I really had something going at IMG, and I really

1080
00:55:15,816 --> 00:55:20,056
Speaker 6: couldn't further that career, always being in Lincoln, Nebraska.

1081
00:55:20,936 --> 00:55:22,616
Speaker 1: How much did it matter to you that John made

1082
00:55:22,656 --> 00:55:23,176
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame?

1083
00:55:23,856 --> 00:55:27,976
Speaker 6: I he you know, he said to me, besides his

1084
00:55:28,096 --> 00:55:30,416
Speaker 6: kids being born, it was the happiest day of his life.

1085
00:55:30,456 --> 00:55:33,176
Speaker 6: You know, I was. We were there in Detroit when

1086
00:55:33,976 --> 00:55:37,296
Speaker 6: you know, they announced it on the Saturday before and

1087
00:55:37,376 --> 00:55:40,816
Speaker 6: it was on NFL network, and you know they announced

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00:55:40,816 --> 00:55:44,656
Speaker 6: the names. There were six people that year, five it's

1089
00:55:44,656 --> 00:55:48,416
Speaker 6: just his name and I, you know, it was just

1090
00:55:48,616 --> 00:55:51,816
Speaker 6: like euphoria in that room. There were maybe half a

1091
00:55:51,816 --> 00:55:55,576
Speaker 6: dozen of us, Fred Goadelli, john Son, Mike al Michaels

1092
00:55:57,456 --> 00:56:01,496
Speaker 6: and you know, a lot of tears. It was he

1093
00:56:01,696 --> 00:56:03,776
Speaker 6: he wanted to go in as a coach, not as

1094
00:56:03,776 --> 00:56:06,656
Speaker 6: a contributor or as a broadcaster. You know, he was

1095
00:56:06,696 --> 00:56:09,376
Speaker 6: one hundred and eight and thirty two. That's the highest

1096
00:56:09,376 --> 00:56:12,456
Speaker 6: winning percentage of any coach who's coached one hundred games,

1097
00:56:12,976 --> 00:56:15,776
Speaker 6: and you know, it was a long time coming, and

1098
00:56:15,896 --> 00:56:18,256
Speaker 6: that was two thousand and six. He coached his last

1099
00:56:18,296 --> 00:56:22,216
Speaker 6: game in nineteen seventy nine, thirty two losses in ten years.

1100
00:56:22,656 --> 00:56:24,296
Speaker 6: I mean, he should have been in the Hall of

1101
00:56:24,296 --> 00:56:27,976
Speaker 6: Fame earlier, but it was for him, it was just

1102
00:56:28,656 --> 00:56:33,176
Speaker 6: it made it all worthwhile. And he went back every

1103
00:56:33,256 --> 00:56:36,456
Speaker 6: year after that just to be part of the ceremony.

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00:56:37,096 --> 00:56:40,096
Speaker 6: We donated the original Madden Cruiser to the Hall of Fame.

1105
00:56:40,216 --> 00:56:43,856
Speaker 6: So underprivileged kids in the Midwest, can you know, come

1106
00:56:43,936 --> 00:56:46,256
Speaker 6: to the Hall of Fame and learn about football history.

1107
00:56:48,576 --> 00:56:50,896
Speaker 6: There's a broadcasting wing there name for him.

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00:56:51,056 --> 00:56:51,576
Speaker 5: It's just.

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00:56:53,056 --> 00:56:56,776
Speaker 6: You know that in the Super Bowl win super Bowl

1110
00:56:56,816 --> 00:57:00,976
Speaker 6: eleven or the two biggest professional accomplishments for him sixteen Emmys,

1111
00:57:00,976 --> 00:57:01,736
Speaker 6: he could care about.

1112
00:57:03,656 --> 00:57:05,696
Speaker 1: You know, we were actually worked for the ni This

1113
00:57:05,736 --> 00:57:08,336
Speaker 1: is an NFL podcast. It's a property of NFL. And

1114
00:57:08,376 --> 00:57:11,736
Speaker 1: so you know with the NFL and Mad and Thanksgiving

1115
00:57:11,736 --> 00:57:15,176
Speaker 1: in that relationship and that celebration, how did that get started?

1116
00:57:15,256 --> 00:57:17,136
Speaker 1: Like what were the strings and like what was the

1117
00:57:17,256 --> 00:57:18,256
Speaker 1: what's the goal of it?

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00:57:20,216 --> 00:57:22,936
Speaker 6: Well, first, when when John retired in o eight oh nine,

1119
00:57:25,216 --> 00:57:27,896
Speaker 6: and I got the sense he was just not enjoying

1120
00:57:27,936 --> 00:57:31,216
Speaker 6: traveling as much. He missed his grandkids and all that.

1121
00:57:31,416 --> 00:57:35,216
Speaker 6: And you know, his wife called me and said, look,

1122
00:57:35,576 --> 00:57:37,616
Speaker 6: I don't know what you have planned, but I didn't

1123
00:57:37,656 --> 00:57:40,856
Speaker 6: sign up for this retirement thing, so you got to

1124
00:57:40,936 --> 00:57:45,536
Speaker 6: keep him find something to do. I had a conversation

1125
00:57:45,656 --> 00:57:50,216
Speaker 6: with Commissioner Goodell about and then they have become friends,

1126
00:57:50,656 --> 00:57:53,096
Speaker 6: and I said, you know, let's find a role for

1127
00:57:53,216 --> 00:57:57,016
Speaker 6: John within the NFL where he can be have a meaningful,

1128
00:57:58,096 --> 00:58:00,856
Speaker 6: you know, relationship and also do some meaningful work. So

1129
00:58:01,096 --> 00:58:04,776
Speaker 6: he became a special advisor to Roger and also co

1130
00:58:05,016 --> 00:58:09,936
Speaker 6: chaired the Player Safety Committee, which reported to the Competition Committee.

1131
00:58:10,016 --> 00:58:15,136
Speaker 6: So he was engaged for a decade and then look,

1132
00:58:15,176 --> 00:58:21,896
Speaker 6: he passed. It will be four years next month. And

1133
00:58:22,056 --> 00:58:24,296
Speaker 6: you know, Roger is one of the first people I called.

1134
00:58:24,336 --> 00:58:29,096
Speaker 6: I thought the NFL should announce this really, and you

1135
00:58:29,136 --> 00:58:33,576
Speaker 6: know then we we kind of Roger wanted if he

1136
00:58:33,616 --> 00:58:35,896
Speaker 6: formed a small committee. He said, all right, we want

1137
00:58:35,896 --> 00:58:38,256
Speaker 6: to honor John in some way. What should we do?

1138
00:58:39,016 --> 00:58:40,336
Speaker 1: And you know the.

1139
00:58:40,296 --> 00:58:44,576
Speaker 6: Committee all agreed. John loved Thanksgiving. It was his favate holiday.

1140
00:58:45,016 --> 00:58:48,456
Speaker 6: It's yeah, there are six legged turkeys and Turduckan and

1141
00:58:48,976 --> 00:58:52,736
Speaker 6: he loved Thanksgiving. He loved being at a game, whether

1142
00:58:52,776 --> 00:58:55,896
Speaker 6: it's Detroit or Dallas, he loved it. And I think

1143
00:58:55,936 --> 00:59:00,536
Speaker 6: he became part of America on that day. And we

1144
00:59:00,616 --> 00:59:02,576
Speaker 6: all agreed that, you know, we need to honor him

1145
00:59:02,616 --> 00:59:06,456
Speaker 6: on Thanksgiving, and you know, the commissioner and the teams

1146
00:59:06,456 --> 00:59:11,016
Speaker 6: that are playing, you know, basically agreed that with that.

1147
00:59:11,176 --> 00:59:13,696
Speaker 6: And there will be you know, his name will be

1148
00:59:13,736 --> 00:59:16,736
Speaker 6: on all on all three fields that are playing that day.

1149
00:59:16,816 --> 00:59:20,216
Speaker 6: There'll be a special coin which I could probably show you.

1150
00:59:20,296 --> 00:59:22,016
Speaker 6: I just got a copy of it, which will be

1151
00:59:22,456 --> 00:59:25,296
Speaker 6: you know, flipped with his head and a production on

1152
00:59:25,616 --> 00:59:28,416
Speaker 6: the tail, and they'll be a player of the game.

1153
00:59:29,016 --> 00:59:33,376
Speaker 6: And you know it's I think he's probably looking down saying,

1154
00:59:33,896 --> 00:59:36,416
Speaker 6: you guys got it right. If you're gonna honor me,

1155
00:59:36,776 --> 00:59:38,936
Speaker 6: this is the way I want to be honored on Thanksgiving.

1156
00:59:38,976 --> 00:59:42,256
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, I think we did get

1157
00:59:42,296 --> 00:59:44,936
Speaker 6: it right. And it feels it just feels like Madden.

1158
00:59:45,656 --> 00:59:48,816
Speaker 1: Sandy. I really appreciate the generosity coming on with me

1159
00:59:48,896 --> 00:59:51,056
Speaker 1: giving me twenty twenty five minutes to talk about John.

1160
00:59:51,496 --> 00:59:53,936
Speaker 1: And I'm a massive fan of just all that you've

1161
00:59:53,936 --> 00:59:56,216
Speaker 1: done in many capacities. But to be able to spend

1162
00:59:56,216 --> 00:59:57,656
Speaker 1: this time and just talk about John means a lot.

1163
00:59:57,736 --> 00:59:59,056
Speaker 1: So thank you for your time. I hope you have

1164
00:59:59,096 --> 00:59:59,736
Speaker 1: a I.

1165
00:59:59,736 --> 01:00:01,016
Speaker 6: Just want to show you. I just want to show

1166
01:00:01,016 --> 01:00:01,456
Speaker 6: you the coin.

1167
01:00:01,496 --> 01:00:02,736
Speaker 1: Oh, let me see. I didn't want to make you

1168
01:00:02,776 --> 01:00:03,136
Speaker 1: get up.

1169
01:00:03,896 --> 01:00:07,656
Speaker 6: Oh it's okay. So they these are the coins.

1170
01:00:07,296 --> 01:00:10,096
Speaker 1: That will be uh oh, that's cool.

1171
01:00:09,936 --> 01:00:13,416
Speaker 6: Flip banks on Thanksgiving Day. All three those are three

1172
01:00:13,456 --> 01:00:15,696
Speaker 6: different ones with the teams that are playing. So it's

1173
01:00:15,736 --> 01:00:19,136
Speaker 6: gonna be uh real cool. And it was great being

1174
01:00:19,176 --> 01:00:20,336
Speaker 6: with you and a happy Thanksgiving.

1175
01:00:20,376 --> 01:00:22,056
Speaker 1: Yeah you too, Sandy. Have a great day, man, Thank

1176
01:00:22,056 --> 01:00:22,576
Speaker 1: you very much.

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01:00:23,176 --> 01:00:23,816
Speaker 6: Take care.

1178
01:00:28,056 --> 01:00:31,976
Speaker 1: All right, before we go, I've adjusted my power rankings

1179
01:00:31,976 --> 01:00:35,696
Speaker 1: for the week. We are still sitting with the Rams

1180
01:00:35,696 --> 01:00:39,736
Speaker 1: at number one. The Eagles fell from their loss with

1181
01:00:39,776 --> 01:00:42,696
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. We'll hear more from them in a second.

1182
01:00:43,856 --> 01:00:48,456
Speaker 1: I do have the Broncos at number two, even though

1183
01:00:48,496 --> 01:00:53,696
Speaker 1: again they've been winning barely, barely barely. And I got

1184
01:00:53,736 --> 01:00:56,176
Speaker 1: the chiefs Now number three at six and five. That's right,

1185
01:00:56,176 --> 01:00:58,056
Speaker 1: they were number four last week. But I've got the

1186
01:00:58,096 --> 01:01:01,136
Speaker 1: chiefs Now sitting right in that third spot with a

1187
01:01:01,216 --> 01:01:02,976
Speaker 1: record of six and five. I got the Eagles at

1188
01:01:03,016 --> 01:01:05,296
Speaker 1: fourth with eight and three and you know your past.

1189
01:01:06,416 --> 01:01:10,056
Speaker 1: Oh I'm leaving them. They're not there for what are

1190
01:01:10,056 --> 01:01:14,976
Speaker 1: they tended to? Yep, their fifth. I'm not letting them

1191
01:01:15,016 --> 01:01:18,016
Speaker 1: jump over the Eagles quite yet. The Eagles did lose.

1192
01:01:18,216 --> 01:01:22,856
Speaker 1: What the Pats do beat the Bengals. Yeah, but that count.

1193
01:01:22,936 --> 01:01:26,056
Speaker 1: It shouldn't have been a tough, gritty win. You know,

1194
01:01:26,136 --> 01:01:28,136
Speaker 1: Drake May's never thrown for three hundred yards. Yeah, when

1195
01:01:28,136 --> 01:01:30,016
Speaker 1: they said that on the broadcast, that actually surprised me.

1196
01:01:30,056 --> 01:01:33,576
Speaker 1: It surprised me too. The Colts were on deck last week.

1197
01:01:34,016 --> 01:01:36,856
Speaker 1: They're still on deck. So I did think it was

1198
01:01:36,896 --> 01:01:39,096
Speaker 1: a pretty good look for the Colts in a loss.

1199
01:01:39,536 --> 01:01:43,256
Speaker 1: Meaning they did go to to Kansas City and lose

1200
01:01:43,296 --> 01:01:47,496
Speaker 1: a close game. They played their faces off. So not

1201
01:01:47,616 --> 01:01:50,776
Speaker 1: a lot has changed except the Chiefs are exactly who

1202
01:01:50,816 --> 01:01:52,976
Speaker 1: I said they were. Everybody giving up on them. I'm

1203
01:01:53,016 --> 01:01:54,136
Speaker 1: not even a Chiefs fan. I don't know why to

1204
01:01:54,176 --> 01:01:57,376
Speaker 1: fit them so much. Okay, that's what's up. Thank you

1205
01:01:57,376 --> 01:01:59,696
Speaker 1: guys for being here. I hope you have awesome holiday,

1206
01:02:00,136 --> 01:02:04,856
Speaker 1: and thanks to our guests. And that's Matt Castle. That's Kickoff, Kevin,

1207
01:02:04,896 --> 01:02:08,256
Speaker 1: that's Brandon. I'm Bobby Bones, We've had lots to say goodbye,

1208
01:02:08,256 --> 01:02:16,696
Speaker 1: Everybody lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle

1209
01:02:16,856 --> 01:02:20,256
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1210
01:02:20,336 --> 01:02:24,456
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