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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off

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Speaker 2: right now. Got a lot to discuss with Peter Day.

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Speaker 2: Just quick roadmap. Our friends friends, Julie Kelly and Vivike

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Speaker 2: Ramaswami will be joining us today here on the program.

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Speaker 2: We'll have Julie joining to talk about the latest legal

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Speaker 2: wrangling around the DC case against Trump Judge Chuck Kidden.

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Speaker 2: The fix is in. We will discuss the latest with

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Speaker 2: her on that one. Don't forget we are now getting

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Speaker 2: closer and closer to a possible federal criminal felony trial

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Speaker 2: against the currently leading presidential contender for the Republicans. Were

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Speaker 2: also going to have, speaking of presidential contenders, vivike Ramaswami's on.

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Speaker 2: He's got some very interesting things he wants to bring

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Speaker 2: to your attention. He reached out to guys, we got

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Speaker 2: to talk about this. We said, Vivec, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: And so here we are. We've got that to dive

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Speaker 2: into together. Also, Biden tells eight hundred and thirteen thousand

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Speaker 2: more Americans he has wiped their student loan dead. This

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Speaker 2: was an interesting one today. You're just going to see

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Speaker 2: more and more of this. You're going to see the

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Speaker 2: usage of your taxpayer dollars to bribe different constituencies to

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Speaker 2: try to vote Democrat, something we can certainly discuss in

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Speaker 2: greater detail. An interesting twist. I'm gonna leave this one

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Speaker 2: for Clay to set up it a little bit on

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Speaker 2: the I don't even know if we can call it

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Speaker 2: a controversy because it's so stupid and so far from

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Speaker 2: a controversy. But it was a vicious attack on a

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Speaker 2: young boy who dressed as a Kansas City chief at

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Speaker 2: a football game, had black and red paint on his face,

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Speaker 2: and some sheer just unbelievable imbecile said that this was

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Speaker 2: a version of blackface and therefore there should be NFL

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Speaker 2: sanctions of some kind against the family. It was insane.

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Speaker 2: Turns out not only are people all backing up the

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Speaker 2: boy and his family, but also there's a twist in

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Speaker 2: that story. I'm gonna leave that one for Clay, though,

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Speaker 2: because there's it gets better, folks. The good guys are

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Speaker 2: winning and it gets better. But I want to start

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Speaker 2: into this quite a bit, and it's going to be

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Speaker 2: I think a moment in time where we maybe take

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a pause from looking at the

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Speaker 2: Republican primary and also talking about Biden's long term prospects

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Speaker 2: and look more at the state by state phenomena that

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Speaker 2: are going on in this country right now. Red Versus

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Speaker 2: Blue Wall Street Journal has this opinion piece up DeSantis

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Speaker 2: versus Newsome a scorecard. Here's a cheat sheet to keep

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Speaker 2: track of Thursday's debate. And you look at this and

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Speaker 2: it breaks down the numbers employment. For example, employment since

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Speaker 2: January twenty nineteen has increased by a million in Florida

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Speaker 2: while declining by eighty five thousand in California. Unemployment despite

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Speaker 2: a shrinking labor force. California's four point eight percent jobs

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Speaker 2: rate is the second highest in the country and nearly

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Speaker 2: twice as highest floor. As you go down the list,

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Speaker 2: I can't go through all of it right now, except

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Speaker 2: in every metric where everything where you could look at numbers, yes,

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Speaker 2: Florida beats the the you know, the absolute tail off

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Speaker 2: of California, I mean just absolutely crushes it. Right, And

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Speaker 2: yet people still talk about Gavin Newsom as a likely

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Speaker 2: Democrat presidential contender. Are we at the point now where

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Speaker 2: ideology is so strong in the Blue states that results

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Speaker 3: Yes, And that's one of the scariest things to me

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Speaker 3: you with two more stats here that I think really

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Speaker 2: You live in Florida. Now, Florida has really.

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Speaker 3: Good weather, Buck, wouldn't you expect that there would be

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Speaker 3: massive amounts of homelessness on the streets Miami, Tampa, Orlando,

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Speaker 3: seventy one thousand, five hundred and twenty one homeless people

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Speaker 3: in California last year versus twenty five thousand, nine hundred

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Speaker 3: drug use, which makes it harder to force attics on

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Speaker 3: quality of life issue. I would just wonder what is

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Speaker 3: Florida doing Again, I'm comparing South Florida, which has great weather,

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Speaker 3: I mean you've probably noticed that as someone who lives

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Speaker 2: Compare it to La. It's night and day. Well, it

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Speaker 2: all ties in together. The phenomenon of homelessness and urban

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Speaker 2: to think of these as all interlinked, they have effectively decriminalized.

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Speaker 2: then statewide overall. It's true they have largely decriminalized drug

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Speaker 2: use in public, right, So start with that. So what

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Speaker 2: does that do. Well, now you've got you've got weather

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Speaker 3: Were homeless, right, But if you were homeless, you would think,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to try to get to the place that

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Speaker 2: Tried to camp outside of the streets of you know, Helena, Montana,

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Speaker 2: for example, It's going to be a really rough January. Right,

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Speaker 2: That's that's not going to work. So you can't do that.

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Speaker 2: But you can do it California, you can do in Florida. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So then what all ties in together. They've decriminalized drug

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Speaker 2: in mind that these are people overwhelmingly when we talk

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Speaker 2: of homeless the old model of homelessness from like the

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Speaker 2: eighties and nineties, and I had I had a grandfather

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Speaker 2: and there are actually pretty substantial resources, certainly in places

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Speaker 2: and lost their house, right, So then, Clay, they got

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Speaker 2: So now they're selling drugs to people, so they're expanding

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Speaker 2: And then they start stealing. They don't enforce the laws

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Speaker 2: all very understandable how this happens. Gavin Newsom, though, is like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And then I love the evil Keanu Reeves, says Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other one that I flagged. The number one

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Speaker 3: way to determine I think whether things are going well

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Speaker 3: point four four million Californians left for other states. Now, buck,

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Speaker 3: this is an important data point. The population in California

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Speaker 3: only grew. Gavin Newsom becomes governor COVID restrictions, they suddenly

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Speaker 3: lose a million people simultaneously. Florida has gained seven hundred

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Speaker 3: a lot about this with New York City. California lost

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Speaker 3: fifty five point seven billion dollars in adjusted gross income

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Speaker 3: perpetuating itself. I think the comparison between these two states

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you obviously have two very ambitious and widely

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Speaker 2: DeSantis is clearly a conservative red governor, and Newsom is

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Speaker 2: York City. And then COVID came along and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: so this is actually an authoritarian uh you know, insane

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Speaker 2: and so people move. That happened to a lot of

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Speaker 2: they got to do another study on like the delta

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Speaker 2: actually be pretty cool if they introduced sloths into California.

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Speaker 2: But they make these decisions out of ideology, and they

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Speaker 2: That's certainly the case in California. That's the California mentality.

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Speaker 2: And this is I'm somebody who thought about moving to

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Speaker 2: Clay federal bailouts, that's the thing that they really would

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Speaker 1: The Torch of Truth passed and still lit every day.

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Speaker 3: got a two and a half percent mortgage in my

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Speaker 3: a half or eight percent, and a lot of you

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Speaker 2: Isn't the treasury at like four percent four point five

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, four point five I think, and the and

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Speaker 3: But that is where we are, and many of you

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Speaker 3: And this doesn't even get into buck I'm seeing this.

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Speaker 3: I've got some commercial real estate investments. There are lots

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Speaker 3: estate was only fifty percent of people basically or even

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Speaker 3: going into the office. Now we got a ticking time

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Speaker 2: Every decision that the federal government makes in the next

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Speaker 2: know is independent, sure it is, it's all going to

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Speaker 3: Now off and on to continue to update all of you.

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Speaker 3: So first, thanks Julie. Second, Buck and I have been talking.

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Speaker 3: By the time we come back from New Year's going

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Speaker 3: to be about eight weeks out theoretically from the start

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Speaker 3: of Jacksmith's trial against Donald Trump. Is that actually going

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Speaker 3: to start? You think on March fourth? Where are we

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Speaker 3: and when would we find out? If March fourth is

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Speaker 3: not going to be go time? Because for as much

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Speaker 3: attention as everybody's given to Iowa and New Hampshire, which

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Speaker 3: are obviously on the horizon too, even more unprecedented is

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Speaker 3: we're not very far away from what would be the

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Speaker 3: start of the first criminal trial of a leading presidential

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Speaker 5: Right, You're exactly right. And there is the pre trial

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Speaker 5: schedule of sorts already that's been under way now for

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Speaker 5: the past few months. And I'll tell you what is

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Speaker 5: going to start on January ninth is the beginning of

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Speaker 5: the jury selection process, which should be very interesting. We're

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Speaker 5: still wating Donald Trump's lawyers to file a change of

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Speaker 5: venue motion, which we are expecting really any time, but

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Speaker 5: she will deny that, as as every judge who's handle

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Speaker 5: of January sixteenge a venue motion denied, every single one.

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Speaker 5: But by January nights, a judge Chuck Kin has asked

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Speaker 5: both sides for a draft of a jury questionnaire which

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Speaker 5: will be sent to hundreds of DC residents to begin

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Speaker 5: reading out unqualified jurors as they try to pick an

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Speaker 5: impartial jury in a city that voted ninety two percent

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Speaker 5: for Joe Biden. So that will begin right after the

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Speaker 5: first of the year.

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Speaker 2: What kind of other decisions have we seen, Julie, thanks

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Speaker 2: for being here with us from this judge that indicate

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Speaker 2: what Trump can expect here, and my understanding is that

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Speaker 2: there have been a number of motions put before her,

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Speaker 2: and that effectively at this point anybody who thought the

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Speaker 2: fix was in beforehand is looking like that was oppression

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Speaker 2: to analysis.

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Speaker 5: Well, it certainly is, because as we expected with Judge

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Speaker 5: chuck Kin, and I've talked about with you guys repeatedly,

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Speaker 5: she already has a record of making inflammatory statements about

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump himself about January sixth, and of course people

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Speaker 5: his supporters who went to the Capitol that day. So

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Speaker 5: she's already portrayed proven herself quite frankly, to be a

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Speaker 5: brazen partisan. And the fact that she's handling this case.

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Speaker 5: Of course, they filed a motion for asking her to recuse.

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Speaker 5: She denied that. No surprise there, But she is acting

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Speaker 5: as another member of Special Council Jacksmith's prosecution team, a

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Speaker 5: rubber stamp, so we know that of course, she imposed

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Speaker 5: this broad gag order against the President, his lawyers, and

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Speaker 5: unspecified parties that now is on appeal. A three judge

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Speaker 5: panel at the DC Circuit heard that appeal last Monday,

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Speaker 5: a three judge panel made up of all Democratic judges.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that it's on

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Speaker 5: a temporary stay or hold until they decide what to

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Speaker 5: do with that. Donald Trump has filed three motions to

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Speaker 5: dismiss Jacksmith's January six indictment against him for selective prosecution.

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Speaker 5: Of course, a very strong argument there, unconstitutional and just

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Speaker 5: not meeting the statutory obligations for those four accounts in

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Speaker 5: the indictment. Those are still sitting on her desk. But

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Speaker 5: what she did this week is she denied defense councils

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Speaker 5: seeking subpoenas government for witnesses for the defense, including missing

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Speaker 5: materials that the January sixth Select Committee did not turn

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Speaker 5: over to the incoming Republican majority, as they were required

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Speaker 5: to do by its enabling legislation. I'll have a piece

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Speaker 5: upon that soon. There are records, especially Secret Service records

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Speaker 5: and others who their transcripts are not available. Furthermore, you guys,

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Speaker 5: remember we were told that all the materials would be

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Speaker 5: turned over and made public. All of the video interviews,

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Speaker 5: you know, the clips that we saw during the televised

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Speaker 5: prime time hearings. All of those video full video recordings

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Speaker 5: have not been turned over to the House to Congress,

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Speaker 5: and that is in violation again of the enabling legislation.

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Speaker 5: But what she denied this week is she said, oh,

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Speaker 5: there's no such thing as missing materials. This is a

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Speaker 5: fishing expedition. It's not relevant to the indictment, which of

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Speaker 5: course it is, and denied Trump's motion to compel the

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Speaker 5: production of those missing records by Nehra and other bodies

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Speaker 5: who are supposed to have them.

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Speaker 2: Julie, I just want to go back to the timeline again.

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Speaker 3: You said jury selection process could begin January ninth, right

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Speaker 3: out of New Year beginning. I keep asking because I

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Speaker 3: think it's so significant. March fourth is the day before,

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Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, Super Tuesday, when there might well

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Speaker 3: be a Republican nominee officially selected. Do you think that

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Speaker 3: Trump is going to go on trial March fifth, or

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Speaker 3: do you do you think we're going to end up?

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's basically three months from now, if I'm

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Speaker 3: doing the math right here. Or do you think this

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Speaker 3: thing is going to get delayed more substantially and the

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Speaker 3: trial will not begin on March March fourth?

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Speaker 5: I still am surprised, and I'm not completely satisfied that

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Speaker 5: Jacksmith is not going to add through superseding indictment. I

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Speaker 5: know This is something I've talked about with you guys repeatedly,

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Speaker 5: and a superseding indictment would add defendants to this case.

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Speaker 5: And we know that there are six unindicted co conspirators

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Speaker 5: listed in this indictment and Jacksmith's indictment. That includes individuals

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Speaker 5: like Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman, people

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Speaker 5: who have been charged in Fanny Willis's indictment. So there's

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Speaker 5: still a chance that he will want to add defendants

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Speaker 5: and add charges, and I'll tell you why. And we've

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Speaker 5: also talked about this. One of the four counts against

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Speaker 5: him is sort of a legal jeopardy, and that's the

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Speaker 5: obstruction of an official preceding count that could very well

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Speaker 5: be headed to the Supreme Court because there are now

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Speaker 5: petitions filed before the Supreme Court to take up the

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Speaker 5: legality of the DOJ using that obstruction counts against three

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Speaker 5: hundred plus Jenuary six defendants, including Donald Trump. If the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court agrees to hear that case to reverse the

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Speaker 5: appellate order that has upheld this count, that's going to

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Speaker 5: put his whole indictment at risk. So there's still moving

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Speaker 5: parts to this that I don't think are settled enough

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Speaker 5: to say definitively that that March forth trial date will stick. Now,

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Speaker 5: it could because we know that they want to expedite

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Speaker 5: this process and get Trump behind bars before election day.

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Speaker 5: So Jacksonith still is going to have some obstacles ahead

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Speaker 5: of him. So there's a likelihood that the trial would

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Speaker 5: be delayed if he does hand down a superseding indictment

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Speaker 5: for this case. But for now, I guess we have

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Speaker 5: to look ahead. Stick in jury selection process will start,

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Speaker 5: and then you're going to start to see so many

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Speaker 5: more motions file in, emotions filed seeking the appalate courts involvement,

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Speaker 5: and then of course the Supreme Court as well.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Julie Kelly, you can check out her substack

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Speaker 2: Declassify with Julie Kelly and Julie Before we h we

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Speaker 2: close up here, I just wanted to know the new

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden strategy of going on offense despite the fact

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Speaker 2: that he's already been indicted once and maybe indicted again.

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Speaker 2: Can you shed any light on what you think the

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Speaker 2: future of the Biden incorporated legal reality will be?

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Speaker 5: You know, it's so interesting, you know, he look, we've

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Speaker 5: seen Hunter Biden interviewed. He's a very good performer. We

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Speaker 5: know that he's an artist, so I think that he

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Speaker 5: will portray himself, you know, as a victim here. He

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Speaker 5: will turn on the water works. He will try to

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Speaker 5: get sympathy. You know that he was a legitimate businessman.

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Speaker 5: His father wasn't involved, and so this is just all optics.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't look ClickHouse Republicans are going to fall for it.

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Speaker 5: But quite frankly, I'd like to keep the pressure up

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Speaker 5: in the focus on what's happening with Donald Trump and

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Speaker 5: the January sixth defendants who are still being rounded up, arrested, prosecuted,

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Speaker 5: sentenced to excessive prison time, because I think that that

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Speaker 5: poses a far greater danger to the country and certainly

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Speaker 5: to the twenty twenty four election. Sort of this theater

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Speaker 5: related to Hunter Biden and who and when and how

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Speaker 5: he's going to testify.

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Speaker 2: All right, outstanding stuff.

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Speaker 3: As always, Julie, you got to keep us updated, shoot

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Speaker 3: us text anytime you got an update, and you need

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Speaker 3: to come on because this is going to get if

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Speaker 3: they actually start this trial in March. I don't even

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Speaker 3: know how crazy it's going to be. But I guess

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Speaker 3: last question really quickly. Do you think there's going to

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Speaker 3: be television cameras in this courtroom? I know Jack Smith

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Speaker 3: has opposed it. The media outlets have all been in

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Speaker 3: favor of it. Trump has been in favor of it.

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Speaker 3: Chuck Kin obviously does not seem to dislike media attention.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that she would make an exception on

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Speaker 3: a federal trial here or do you think this is

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Speaker 3: going to be something that people have to cover from

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Speaker 3: inside of the courtroom.

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Speaker 5: This is going to be a huge battle because, to

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Speaker 5: your point, we have Trump's attorneys and major news organizations

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Speaker 5: who are seeking at least one camera in the courtroom,

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Speaker 5: which is generally not allowed in federal trials. But it's

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Speaker 5: not a camera at least real time audio access, which

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Speaker 5: the DC Appellate Court has. So I'm not sure how

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Speaker 5: Chuck can get get away with completely cutting off any

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Speaker 5: sort of live coverage of the proceedings, even if it's

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Speaker 5: just an audio, you know, YouTube, which the appellate court has.

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Speaker 5: But Jack Smith, this guy is so dirty, He is

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Speaker 5: so shady. He wants to keep discovery evidence hidden from

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Speaker 5: the president himself. He does not want any real time coverage.

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Speaker 5: Of course, he wants the gag order, so you know

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Speaker 5: this is a prosecution that is he wants held basically

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Speaker 5: in secret and for major news organizations, and you have

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Speaker 5: to be in the courtroom them or one of the

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Speaker 5: media rooms to cover it because he wants friendly news

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Speaker 5: organizations to put their spin on what's happening instead of

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Speaker 5: hearing Judge Chuck and Jack Smith and all of the

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Speaker 5: evidence in real time for the American people can have

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Speaker 5: access to this unprecedented criminal proceeding.

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Speaker 2: Julie Kelly, everybody, Julie, thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, guys, always appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 2: Third Hour Clay end Buck kicks off right now. Now

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Speaker 2: we've got our friend Vivek Ramas Swami with us now

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Speaker 2: he is running for president of the United States. He's

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Speaker 2: in the Republican primary right now. The Vike always appreciate

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Speaker 2: you making the time for us.

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Speaker 4: Good to be on man, how are you? You know?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Pretty good? I wanted to get your take

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Speaker 2: first off. I mean we're you know, we're on the

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Speaker 2: cusp pier of a debate that you won't be a

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Speaker 2: part of. One of your competitors, Ron de Santis, governor Florida,

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Speaker 2: will be tomorrow this Gavin Newsom, Ron DeSantis throwdown the

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Speaker 2: blue state red state thunderdome if you will, or you know,

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Speaker 2: the big the big battle underway. What do you make

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Speaker 2: of what we're seeing here? How do you think it's

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Speaker 2: going to go?

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Speaker 4: I don't really care one or another. I think it's

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Speaker 4: a random charade between you know. I think it's interesting

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Speaker 4: how Ron DeSantis wasn't running for president for a year

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Speaker 4: and a half while being a governor, in much the

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Speaker 4: same way that Gavin Newsom is also now not running

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Speaker 4: for president. That times what Gavin Newsom is doing so.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a nice little win for Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 4: to be able to pre bolster what will almost surely

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Speaker 4: be the seat that he takes as the Democratic nominee

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Speaker 4: after they get their puppet Joe Biden out of the way.

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Speaker 4: I do think that we're missing the point if we

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Speaker 4: think that Joe Biden is really the nominated. Republicans who

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Speaker 4: have trained their fire on Joe Biden are missing the

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Speaker 4: point that he's not really in any meaningful sense, the

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Speaker 4: president or the nominee. He is a puppet for the

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Speaker 4: managerial class. And so in some ways I think that

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Speaker 4: this does a great favor to providing a platform for

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Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom to be able to advance and get a

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Speaker 4: head start on that presidential campaign, but without actually having

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Speaker 4: declared it. And you know Republican establishment that once again

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Speaker 4: continues scoring a series of own goals, it doesn't surprise

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Speaker 4: me that they have failed to see that for what

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Speaker 4: it is.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you that Joe Biden is not going

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Speaker 3: to be the nominee. Buck and I have a stake

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Speaker 3: bet over this.

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Speaker 2: I agree. So I think this is going off the

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Speaker 2: rails real fast, but going.

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Speaker 3: So you may be able to come join us on

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Speaker 3: that on that dinner if we end up being correct.

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Speaker 3: But if you are right, and if I am right

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Speaker 3: that Joe Biden is not going to be the nominee,

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Speaker 3: you think it will be Gavin Newsome. How do they

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Speaker 3: get past Kamala Harris without being racist and sexist? And

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Speaker 3: how does the fix happen? I was debating this with

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Speaker 3: my wife the other the other day. How do they

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Speaker 3: go about removing Joe Biden? What do you think that

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Speaker 3: process would look like? Because I agree with you that

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Speaker 3: he's not going to be the guy. How do you

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Speaker 3: see it playing out?

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Speaker 4: Well, They've already got the cards lined up a little bit. So,

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Speaker 4: first of all, the Kamala Harris problem is easy. You

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Speaker 4: make a hollowed out husk of a joke of the

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Speaker 4: vice presidential role and have her, dude be in the

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Speaker 4: place where she can do the least damage possible, be

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Speaker 4: the vice president, give her no responsibility. And that's the

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Speaker 4: one thing that I would say that Joe Biden has

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Speaker 4: done well is make sure that Kamala Harris doesn't have

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Speaker 4: any responsibilities. So I think the less she does for

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Speaker 4: the country, some people make fun of her for not

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Speaker 4: showing up. I think that's been one of the great

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Speaker 4: national service system possibly could have done, was actually to

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Speaker 4: stay far away from anything that affected this country. So

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Speaker 4: I think that can just continue for another fort to

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Speaker 4: eight years in the Democrats view, I think that solves

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Speaker 4: the identity politic problem. Now, what about the Biden problem

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Speaker 4: to the extent that there is still a man who

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Speaker 4: has some semblance of free will left in that body.

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Speaker 4: You know what if he doesn't want to step aside

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Speaker 4: and out of the way. Well, here's the answer to that.

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Speaker 4: This is what the so called documents investigation on Biden

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Speaker 4: is all about. And a little bit of the Hunter

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Speaker 4: Biden investigations play this role too. These are cards that

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Speaker 4: I think they don't want to pull unless they have to,

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Speaker 4: but they are what you call in the business world

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Speaker 4: a call option, right. I think that that's a option

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Speaker 4: that they can exercise if they need to in order

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Speaker 4: to get the old man out of the way. And

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Speaker 4: so that's what that documents cases all about. And there's

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a twofer built into that because

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Speaker 4: when they do that, even if Biden cries foul or whatever,

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Speaker 4: they already have the narrative set up to say that, well,

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Speaker 4: they said that we had a politicized investigation of Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump in the document's case. But see now we're just

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Speaker 4: applying it even handedly. That there is actually one rule

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Speaker 4: of law that's sort of the Merrick Garland deep state

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Speaker 4: line that they have ready to go. It legitimizes everything

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Speaker 4: they're doing against Trump while also getting Biden out of

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Speaker 4: the way in one fell swoop. And so I think

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Speaker 4: that's kind of how the managerial class deep state operates.

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Speaker 4: It operates and transcends above the lines of traditional partisanship.

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Speaker 4: And so they'll just close the loop in both addressing

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Speaker 4: the allegations of politicization of the justice system while using

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Speaker 4: that very justice system or in justice system, as the

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Speaker 4: case may be, to sideline Biden and achieve the actual

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Speaker 4: goals of the manual class that has lost or will

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Speaker 4: have lost their use for Biden. So mark my words,

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Speaker 4: or maybe I should say our words on that we're

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Speaker 4: on the at least one of us is on the

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Speaker 4: side of this. And I think it'll be in the

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Speaker 4: next three to four months if this happens, and I'll

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Speaker 4: even give you a very specific prediction on timing. What

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Speaker 4: they're waiting for is for the Trump trials to begin

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Speaker 4: and that's really when I'll be able to slip that

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Speaker 4: in while minimizing the fallout from it, because their bet

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Speaker 4: is that he'll be almost the runaway nominee by then

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Speaker 4: wait for his trials to begin and then and then

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Speaker 4: roll that out. I think that's what the establishment in

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Speaker 4: the managerial class of the Democratic Party is currently thinking.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of a Viake Ramaswami, he is running for president

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Speaker 2: and Vivek, you've you've got some interesting numbers looking forward

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Speaker 2: here into Iowa and New Hampshire. What is your pathway

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Speaker 2: here and and why at this point, I mean, you're

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Speaker 2: still still very much in the mix. Why at this

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Speaker 2: point should it be you and not just Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: who's out thirty points forty points depending on the poll,

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Speaker 2: ahead of the pack.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, look, I think it's going to take a

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Speaker 4: leader from the next generation to do this. I think

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Speaker 4: you get to be an outsider one, and unlike the

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Speaker 4: other candidates who are trying to Monday Morning quarterback Trump

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Speaker 4: after kissing his feet and begging for money and endorsement

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Speaker 4: for years, on the other way around, I have not

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Speaker 4: been getting Donald Trump's feed, but I respect his legacy

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Speaker 4: and I think that he's been an excellent president, but

869
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Speaker 4: I think it's going to take somebody from the next

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Speaker 4: generation now to take that America First movement to the

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Speaker 4: next level. And if you look at there are certain

872
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Speaker 4: things I've issues I've espoused in this race. I mean,

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Speaker 4: from being open about the fact that Ukraine is not

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Speaker 4: some democracy and our own taxpayer money is funding the

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Speaker 4: persecution of Christians in Ukraine or the persecution of Christians

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Speaker 4: in Armenia, or for that matter, the fact that we

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Speaker 4: need to shut down agencies like the FBI, or that

878
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 4: Ronald McDaniel needs to be fired, or the fact that

879
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 4: the climate change agenda is a hoax, and one of

880
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 4: the Iowa's specific issues a carbon capture pipeline that they're

881
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: using and building across the state, using eminent domain to

882
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Speaker 4: seize the land of farmers to bury carbon dioxide into

883
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Speaker 4: the ground. Across any of these issues, there's a reason

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Speaker 4: why I'm the only Republican candidate who's actually been able

885
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Speaker 4: to stand for these issues with a spine. I'm an

886
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Speaker 4: outsider in this race. And you know what every politician

887
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Speaker 4: is dancing. There's the tune of their biggest donor on

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Speaker 4: the debate stage. In my case, that biggest donor is me,

889
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Speaker 4: and I think that's a big difference between me and

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Speaker 4: the rest of this field. I think Trump had a

891
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Speaker 4: big element of that, which is why I respect him.

892
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Speaker 4: But now it's going to take a leader from the

893
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Speaker 4: next generation with fresh legs to actually reach the next generation.

894
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Speaker 4: Forty percent of our donors right now are first time

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Speaker 4: ever donors to the Republican Party, which is unheard of

896
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Speaker 4: in our party, it's normally two percent. We're bringing young

897
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 4: people along in droves, so I think I can win

898
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Speaker 4: that general election and landslide by bringing those young people along.

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Speaker 4: I also think my past that you're asking about, I

900
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Speaker 4: think we're going to shock the world with what we

901
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Speaker 4: do in those first two primary states, including in Iowa.

902
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Speaker 4: So I'm undoubtedly among the major candidates right now the underdog,

903
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Speaker 4: but I think that's exactly where we want to be sitting.

904
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Speaker 4: We're going to shatter expectations in Iowa and New Hampshire,

905
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Speaker 4: and that's going to propel us forward to the rest

906
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Speaker 4: of this race. And you know, I think that having

907
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Speaker 4: the expectations set where they are exactly where we want them.

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Speaker 4: You know, guys running my Iowa operation used to do

909
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Speaker 4: this for both Santorum in twenty twelve and then Ted

910
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Speaker 4: clus in sixteen, and you know, I'm pulling ahead of

911
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Speaker 4: where Santorum was at this time in that race, and

912
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Speaker 4: he ended up winning Iowa. Santorum didn't have the money

913
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Speaker 4: to continue though. In my case, we've lived the American dream.

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Speaker 4: We are stopping at nothing to succeed in reviving this country.

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Speaker 4: And so yes, I'm confident we're going to be able

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Speaker 4: to go the distance.

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Speaker 3: You've done more events I saw you share this than anybody.

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Speaker 3: I think Ron DeSantis in second place. If you are

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Speaker 3: not correct right, let's say you don't as shatter expectations

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Speaker 3: and you're not the clear number two in Iowa or

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Speaker 3: New Hampshire. Would you consider endorsing anyone other than Donald Trump?

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Speaker 3: Or if at some point you have to put your

923
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Speaker 3: support behind someone else, is it fair to say Trump

924
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Speaker 3: has got your support, that he would be your guy?

925
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Speaker 3: Or would you consider Nicky Haley or Ron DeSantis or

926
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Speaker 3: Chris Christy or somebody else?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, I think someone like a Nicky

928
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Speaker 4: Haley should come nowhere within spitting distance of the White House,

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Speaker 4: not just in the presidency, but even as it relates

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Speaker 4: to touching our foreign policy and marching US into World

931
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Speaker 4: War three so they can make more money off of it.

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Speaker 4: So put that to one side. I've said it's been

933
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Speaker 4: very clear since the beginning. There's two America First candidates

934
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Speaker 4: in this race, and I think it needs to be

935
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Speaker 4: one of us that leads this country. That's Donald Trump.

936
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Speaker 4: For myself, I think I'm uniquely positioned to take our

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Speaker 4: agenda further because I can reach the next generation to

938
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Speaker 4: do it. And you know what, so I expect Donald

939
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Speaker 4: Trump's full support if I'm the nominee, and he'll have

940
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Speaker 4: my full support if he is a nominee. But I

941
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Speaker 4: think that's got to be an America First candidate, and

942
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Speaker 4: there's really only two of them in this race, and

943
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Speaker 4: I think both of us can win a general. But

944
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Speaker 4: I think I could do this in a landslide, and

945
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Speaker 4: I can do this in a way that frankly goes

946
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Speaker 4: further with our own agenda because we're going to bring

947
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Speaker 4: that next generation along. We're already seeing that in this campaign,

948
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Speaker 4: and I think that's the way I'm going to lead

949
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Speaker 4: this country as well. So I've been crystal clear about that.

950
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Speaker 4: I think it's the answer to your question is not

951
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Speaker 4: even close it's either Trump for myself.

952
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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So we had Chris Christy on Wednesday and I asked

954
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Speaker 3: him the same question, and he said, obviously he's very

955
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Speaker 3: anti Trump. He specifically said that he wouldn't support you.

956
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: He said he would support Nicki Haley or Ron DeSantis.

957
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Speaker 3: Mitt Romney basically said the same thing. Why do you

958
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Speaker 3: think Chris Christy and Mitt Romney have that perspective? And

959
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Speaker 3: I'm curious, given that Mitt Romney was the nominee in

960
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Speaker 3: twenty twelve, can you think of a bigger Republican turncoat

961
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Speaker 3: than Mitt Romney.

962
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Speaker 4: It'd be hard I'd be hard pressed to do it.

963
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 4: I think that his niece, who's running the RNC, has

964
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Speaker 4: been an abysmal failure. Ronna Romney McDaniel, who is running

965
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 4: the Republican National Committee, has led us through failure after

966
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Speaker 4: failure after failure after failure twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty

967
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Speaker 4: twenty two, and twenty twenty three. Her salary is nearly

968
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: tripled in the meantime, and so I called for her resignation.

969
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Speaker 4: So I think that that family, you know, doesn't I

970
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 4: think have a lot of warm feelings towards me. But

971
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: the reason is deeper than that. It's an ideological divide

972
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 4: in the GOP. Do you want to go back in

973
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 4: the direction of Dick Cheney in believing that it's the

974
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: job of the US to serve as the global arbiter,

975
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 4: as the policeman of the world, while a bunch of

976
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 4: people in the military industrial complex get to make money

977
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Speaker 4: doing it, from Dick Cheney to Nikki Haley to a

978
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 4: lot of people on the Democratic side who are benefiting

979
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 4: from this financial grift of our military industrial complex as well.

980
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: Is that the direction you want to go? Or do

981
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 4: you want to go to a future where the US

982
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 4: president has a sole moral duty to the US citizens

983
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 4: right here at home. That's a fundamental ideological split. And

984
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: I think the Chris Christy and Mitt Romney and Carl

985
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 4: Rove and Nick Cheney and Nicki Haley and Zi Graham

986
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 4: and you know, you just got straight down the list

987
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 4: of that Republican establishment, Chris Sununu whatever, They're all on

988
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: one side of that ideological divide. And there are certain

989
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: day Ron the Santus is too, though sometimes he's you know,

990
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 4: Schrodinger is Ron, as I like to call him. You

991
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 4: never know whether he's inside which side of the wall.

992
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 4: He's actually on to play on a physics analogy here.

993
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that everybody else, you know where

994
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 4: they are. They're on one side of that divide, and

995
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 4: I think Donald Trump and I are on the other

996
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 4: side of that divide. And so it's clear why that

997
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 4: Mitt Romney, he was clear he said he would rather

998
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 4: vote for a Democrat in twenty twenty four than Donald Trump.

999
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 4: For myself, I take that as a kind of positive endorsement,

1000
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 4: but I don't think he meant it that way regardless.

1001
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 4: I think America First is the way of the future.

1002
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 4: I think we're bringing along a seit. I was just

1003
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Speaker 4: in an event. I'm here in rural Iowa looking at

1004
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: farmland on a bus. As we're talking here, we actually

1005
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 4: just said that. Last event, I had a number of

1006
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 4: people who were independence, one of whom was the Libertarians

1007
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 4: that he switched over his registration so that he's able

1008
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: to vote in the caucus for us. These people are

1009
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Speaker 4: not polled. These people, I think are going to be

1010
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 4: what allow us to shock the world. The set of

1011
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 4: people who are not polled who are actually supporting us.

1012
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 4: The numbers are wild in Iowa and in New Hampshire,

1013
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 4: Iowa in particular, that's going to be a shock. And

1014
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 4: so I think we're going to be successful, not only

1015
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 4: winning the nomination, but precisely because I'm getting that back in.

1016
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Speaker 4: I think I can win the general in a landslide

1017
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: like what Reagan delivered in nineteen eighty. And I know

1018
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Speaker 4: that sounds about as ridiculous for me to say as

1019
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 4: it did for Reagan to say in November of seventy nine,

1020
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Speaker 4: but that's what I think we're on track to do.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's not just even winning the election

1022
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: that's the destination for me, that's just the start line.

1023
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Speaker 4: The destination is January twenty thirty three, when I leave

1024
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 4: this office after two terms, what do I want to

1025
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Speaker 4: say we did. I think we're going to shut down

1026
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 4: the deep state, declare independence from China, keep us out

1027
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 4: of World War three, revive national pride in this country.

1028
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Speaker 4: And I think I'm the single candidate who can do

1029
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 4: those things better than anybody else. And so we're going

1030
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Speaker 4: to see this through to the end, and I think

1031
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 4: we're going to be successful in doing it.

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Speaker 2: The veg Ramaswami, everybody but Vague appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, guys. Take care.

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Speaker 2: That is going to be interesting, right.

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Speaker 3: If he's right and he's going to bring out a

1036
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Speaker 3: If he's not and he doesn't exceed expectations, I don't

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1040
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Speaker 3: he's the only person remaining in the race who would

1041
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