WEBVTT - Build Your Empire 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.520 Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:10.560 Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from I Heart Radio, 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.840 your weekly source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.680 Now along with the guys from fanball dot Com. Here's 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:24.759 the host for Fantasy Football Weekly, Paul. Welcome to another 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.240 edition of Fantasy Football Weekly. I am Paul Charchi and 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.640 my co host is Scott fish High. Scott, Hello, they're 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:32.880 good to talk to you again. I now, one of 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:34.280 the things that you and I have in common that 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.839 a lot of casual listeners for Fantasootball Weekly won't know 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.520 is that you and I love unique ways to play 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:47.000 fantasy football variations and you know, crazy concepts. I have 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.519 thrown dozens of weird ways to play at you, and 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.280 you know, gotten feedback, and um, you're one of the 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.240 few people that is is not like will you just 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:00.400 shut up about your stupil league? I d um, and 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.240 I love that about you. Is that is that we 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.240 share a passion for unique ways to play. One of 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:11.800 them that we started, uh seven ish years ago, was 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:17.160 the Empire League format. The Empire League format, um was 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:21.039 was was was something I dreamed up, Scott, because I 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.280 was in a dynasty league. It started really this way. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.279 I was in a dynasty league that at this stage 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.920 is now like twenty one or something years old, but 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.880 then was still like thirty and it it just it 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.679 got stale. You know. It's just it's it's the same guys, 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.760 same players, same scoring system, and it just didn't have 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.480 any real like zest to it. I'm thinking to myself, man, 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.240 it would mean so much more if this dynasty league 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:52.720 had a true ending point, like the champion, and what 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.000 would make it? What would be the criteria for having 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.600 the champion of this thing, not just this year's champion, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:05.960 but the champion, and then this thing just disbands or 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.240 it ends and we restart, we start from scratch or whatever. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.680 So the first thing came to me was you should 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:16.079 win back to back. If you've got a dynasty in 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.200 a dynasty team, you should be able to win two 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.280 years in a row. That's you know, like in any sport, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.000 nobody's talking about you as a dynasty until you're back 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:28.120 to back. It um. So that my first criteria was 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.480 you got to win back to back, Well, how do 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.639 we how do we even make that better? And then 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.440 we got into the rolling pot and so for those 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.400 who don't know about the Empire League and this this 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.280 episode is gonna be really dedicated to Empire Leagues, to 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.720 Dynasty League in which the ultimate winner wins back to 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.360 back years as I mentioned, but every year, a portion 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.680 of the pot, we recommend half half of the pot 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.960 waits and rolls over from year to year for somebody 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.640 to hit that back to back bonus and then it 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.240 pays out. And it what it does is it puts. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.760 It means that if if you are a math off 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.000 top of my head, if you're in one league and 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.760 somebody hits it in years five and six, that ends 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.560 up being something to the effect of a four dollar 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.840 payoffs three payoff. It's it's real money at that point. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.800 I mean, you know, you can do something pretty special 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:24.480 with that, um not. And as an unintended side effect, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.520 so there is the money and as an unintended side effect, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.080 what's ended up happening that I absolutely love about the 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:35.720 Empire League. Scott tell listeners, what happens when you're the 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:40.840 reigning champion. You don't get to trade. You don't get 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.280 to trade. No, that's how we do it because we 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.000 don't want any collusion there there a lot of them 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.240 do have an abdication clause where if if you're out 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.880 of it, you know you can't make that you're not 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.040 going to make the run. The second year, you can say, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.240 you know what, I abdicate my throne. I'm off the throne. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.480 There's no reigning champion, and then you can trade again. Yes, 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.960 but for the most part, the reigning champ can't trade. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.040 Reigning camp champ can't trade unless you're conceding the year 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:11.560 and then we let you trade. Beyond that, though everybody's 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.400 gunning for you, that's where you want to That's where 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:16.760 I wanted you to go. Is the more of the 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:21.720 psychological part of it. Everybody wants you to lose, and 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:26.920 it's awesome. Being the guy that eleven other owners want 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:32.160 to take down all year is awesome. Yeah, you're wearing 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.080 the black hat everybody every You know, when when when 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.440 Scott's the reigning champion and it's my turn in the 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.760 regular season to play you, I'm doing everything I can 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.160 to beat you. All that matters to me is that 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:48.400 you lose and it feels great. Yep. It's it's always 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.240 good when you know that that team is either going 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:51.919 to miss the playoffs, so they get kicked out of 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.800 the playoffs and and you're just like the league lives on, 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.960 The league lives on. Ye yes, uh, the Empire League. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.960 You now, we played. Its a dynasty league because you 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.800 have the best chance of going of going back to 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.600 back if you roll, if you if you were the 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.960 champion last year, like if we were to take this 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.800 season as an example, you might be rolling into this 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:16.320 year with Travis Kelsey and Lamar Miller and Christian McCaffrey 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:17.960 or you know, two out of those three or whatever, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.520 and you're rolling over all these great players, so you 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.560 have a real chance of going back to back. Um, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.040 it's much harder in redraft where you're starting from scratch 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:27.720 and you've got to try to win back to back. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:29.640 You know, a lot of our listeners have been in 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.120 redraft leagues, are predominantly in redraft leagues, and it's it's 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.560 hard if they go back to back in redress unless 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.920 you're playing with a bunch of work people that don't 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:45.480 know how something which happens. Sometimes too, I think they 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.280 are fun. Um. Now, a lot of people get hung 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:49.960 up and I get this all the time when I 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.040 talk to people that aren't willing to flip their dynasty 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.479 league into an Empire league. They get hung up on 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.080 the idea that the league ends. Scott talked through a 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.080 little bit about what happens when the league ends, and 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.200 you know what you do. Then when the league ends, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.040 when there's a back to back champ, when someone wins 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.040 the Empire pot, the league is just it's just done. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:13.960 At that point, you can restart it fresh if you 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.279 want to write, you absolutely can. But at that point 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.240 the league is just done, and the Emperor takes the 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.760 Empire Pot, and then you can you can either start over, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.240 you can walk away. Yeah, so you can. You know, 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.000 you can look at you look at the composition of 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.440 your twelve owners and you can say, all right, you know, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.400 we're all having fun here. You know, let's roll over 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.960 all twelve and let's start again. Or you could be 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:38.719 more selective and you could say, all right, you know, 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.719 who wants out? This is your chance to get out? 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.159 Who wants to stay in? Or you could say, you 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.440 know what, they're there are three guys that really didn't 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.720 weren't really into it. You don't even invite them back. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.400 You know, this is your chance to recalibrate your league. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.560 For your best owners. Absolutely, and after many years in 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.560 the dynasty league, parody does become an issue. Sometimes owners 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.760 are just better and then it's top heavy, and then 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.200 the bottom owners don't want to play or they're less active. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.200 This this curbs that, it really does. I like taking 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.080 you know you and I've talked about this offline a lot. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.640 I love taking at the opportunity to improve leagues. And 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.200 part of that process is good owners and getting rid 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.640 of the bad ones, which is hard to do. It's 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.680 so important to a league. There is the most important part. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.360 They're always the most important part. It is your league 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.360 is only if your league is not defined by its 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.120 scoring system. It's defined by the quality of the owners. Absolutely. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.480 There are different scoring systems that do different things, and 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.000 different constructions of leagues that do different teams that will 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.760 generally do something to a league that it'll be more 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.160 active here, more active here, less active here, Like it 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.960 will it will shape the league in a certain way. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:53.200 But good owners can overcome any good or bad rule rule, Yeah, 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.240 which I which I like. If there's a bad rule, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.400 good owners can overcome it. Yeah. Very important by the 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.600 way to be able to do that oftentimes, Yeah, um, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:06.560 the you you help run the Empire leagues for our 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:12.720 company Fanball, and we through uh product we call Safe Leagues. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.560 It's an offshoot of League Safe Safe Leagues, and you 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.440 run Empire leagues. Um. One of the things that we 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.800 knew would happen, and I think you can help validate 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.720 this is when you've been paying into your Empire pot 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.240 for a number of years, you don't want to walk 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.440 away from that league. See. I think you get a 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.840 lot of extra stability in an Empire league because people 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.199 have been paying into this pot and they don't want 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.240 to just walk away from all the money they've paid 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.640 into that pot. Nope. And not only do you see 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.680 people wanting to leave less when people see that, when 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.280 you talk to someone and be like, you want to 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.360 come join this league with me, there's a five thousand 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.600 dollar pot, they're gonna jump at it. Yeah, you could 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.360 fill that spot. So if you've got to go it's 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.520 crazy enough to walk away from the Empire pot, you 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.559 can find an owner who wants to come in. Because 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.400 for the cost of playing for one year, hundred bucks, 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.240 you have a chance at the five thousand dollar rolling 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:09.760 pot that's been accumulating. Yeah, that counts for a Ton. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.360 That's another reason. It's another reason that we like the 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.480 the the Empire League. Uh, I want to take a 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.280 quick break, but then after that, I want to talk 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.600 to you about whether or not you want to have 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.840 deep rosters or shallow rosters in an Empire league, and 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.600 what the advantages and disadvantages of shallow or deep rosters 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.960 are based a little bit on how you want your 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.880 Empire league to go. And then you've also got some data. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.400 Having run in the ballpark of a hundred Empire leagues 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.840 for us, you've done some data mining on Empire leagues 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.000 that we can pass along to listeners as well. It's 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.439 Paul Charching and Scott Fish. It's an Empire League edition 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:53.439 of Fantasy Football Weekly. We're back Paul charch In Scott 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.599 Fish with you talking about Empire leagues. It's one of 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.480 the things that we're really passionate about it. Scott is 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.800 a is been in the dynasty realm for years and 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:07.200 years and years, years and and um I remember the 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.360 first guy ever heard talk to it was in a 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.920 dynasty league. It was nine four dropped he dropped the 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.400 term dynasty. I mean, what's what does dynasty even mean? What? 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.560 What is a dynasty league, and so you know, he 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.160 explained he was holding everybody, and I was really intrigued 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.920 by that. But I didn't start playing until closer to 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.880 two thousand or ninety eight or something in that ballpark, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.920 I want to say. And then you were hooked, and 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.600 then I was hooked. I've been in one ever since. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.760 What's your what's your dynasty background? Ninety two was when 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.880 I started my first dynasty league. Dang, because that's all 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.480 I knew at the time, and that's the only way 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.440 you knew how to play. My dad played a Big 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.720 ten basketball dynasty league where you drafted them as incoming 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.760 freshmen and you kept him throughout their college career. So 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.720 I didn't know that a redrafted league existed. I didn't 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.440 know how to play. I just knew it was you 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.920 kept all your plays. Was your first pick, Jim Chicken Chance, 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:04.000 it was Steve Young? It was and uh well, you 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.080 said it was Big ten basketball, no basket, So I 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.320 know you gotta go with like Evan eshen Meyer style 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.680 if you're gonna if you're gonna go there, um who 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.520 played I believe years earlier than that. I think, yeah, 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.880 Uh no, Steve Young was my first Dynasty draft pick. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.560 And I still remember rookie draft standing up on a 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.200 chair getting excited, saying that J. J. Stokes was the 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.319 next Jerry Rice. How do you c l A you 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.679 have a first rounded you might remember I do remember 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.360 well because he was slow, super slow. That was a 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.760 bad deal. That was a good year, right, Joey call 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.480 theway Michael Westbrook like that was a good year for 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:47.400 wide receivers. I don't remember that class anyway. Although I 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.280 will say this, in the course of my time in 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:55.000 the fantasy sort of news quasi journalism business, We've only 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.079 ever broken a hand I have only ever broken a 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.359 handful of stories. J J. Stokes release from the Jaguars 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.520 was one of them that we broke. Yes, yes, so, 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.240 And I was very disappointed when it got picked up 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.360 by other news services and they called it internet reports. 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.679 Oh come on, could you just give us credit, give 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.400 us a little bit. Yeah, we didn't get that. Uh. 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:21.640 The Empire League, we you and I think have just 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:29.400 a fundamental difference on roster size um. And it's philosoply 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:30.839 what you want to get out of what you want 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.160 to get out of the Empire League. So I want 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.360 to talk roster side with you the prevailing you are 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.800 in the vast majority of people that like to have 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.880 a deep roster of a lot of players. Tell people 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:48.360 nasty Empire Dynasty format. I I get your point of 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.960 view on Empire a little bit more, okay, And Plus, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.000 as I mentioned on when I talk about commissioner stuff, 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.520 play what you enjoy the beauty of Dynasty Empire. There's 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.360 so many different ways to play, play what you love, 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.640 and all of fantasy football there's no overarching thing that 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.120 says you've got to play our way exactly, although when 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.520 you play in the big services you kind of do 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.120 who you know, you really do have pretty limited ways 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.240 to play anyway. Uh, tell people why you like a 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.000 deeper roster and how many what? What do you think 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.760 is the right number of roster spots for Dynasty or 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.880 Empire Empire? Since this Empire podcast talk to me about 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.400 Empire less, so I think I think in Empire leagues, 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:28.720 I prefer in the twenty two range. Okay, which I 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.880 I an incredibly large amount, but you're like, oh, we're 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.040 gonna pull it back to exactly all right, So I 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:40.280 is twenty two good number for an Empire league roster? 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.000 I I feel like it's just enough that you can 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.800 still build that dynasty with the back end of talent 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.880 and have fun with rookies staying at the back of 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.560 your bench. I feel like you go down to the 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:57.320 sixteen level and a reigning champion has trouble, you know, 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.640 they basically have to make the call to go for it, 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.120 because it's it's tough to like stash rookies to you know, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.000 for a later chance. If you you have, you have 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.400 one shot, and then it's basically rebuild. And and I 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.320 want the I want teams to have the ability to 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.160 you know, stash those lower level guys, you know, just 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.240 in case it doesn't happen. Which I get your side 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.720 to the sixteen man rosters. Uh, the great benefits, by 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.040 the way, I think sixteen is just about perfect. Yeah, 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:27.920 keep going. What what what is the benefit in an 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.880 Empire League of having a sixteen roster? The great benefit 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.800 of having a sixteen man roster in an Empire League 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.800 is that a reigning champ who cannot trade has ample 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.280 amounts of things on the waiver wire to aid them 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.200 in winning that championship. Granted, they do still have to 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.880 fight eleven of other owners for those wide wire pieces. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.840 But at least it give some more of a puncher's 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.040 chance that at that pot. That's really I think, as 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.280 much as anything else. When I look at roster composition 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.840 for Dynasty and Empire, the first question is do you 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:04.120 out to have a waiver wire that has anybody with 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.000 a pulse on it? And anybody's played the Scott fish 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.640 pol knows that you can go the whole year not 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.600 making a waiver transaction because there's nobody to be had 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.240 um and you can still you can have a good team. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.760 You can have a a very bad team. Uh. I think 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.880 I don't want I don't want an Empire league to 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.200 last forever by design. I want somebody to hit back 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.800 to back on that. What's your ideal length for I 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.040 think it's in the five six year range because I 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.400 think if if I could, in my mind when I 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.080 was coming up with Empire leagues, five or six years 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.440 felt like the right amount of time to give everybody 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.800 kind of a chance to to get in and you know, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.120 help sculpt their squad. And I thought that that would 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.320 be pretty typical of when the payout what happened, knowing 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:50.840 that some people would pay out in your one and 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.160 two we went it right after that, and other times 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.960 you go ten years. But I thought in that five 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.240 six range would be about right. Um, but you know, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.640 you know, there's there's no rules on that obviously. What 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.960 kind of data have you gleaned from the hundred or 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.480 so empire leagues that you run at safe leagues about 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:14.280 typical length of Empire leagues before somebody hits it? Sure, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.840 First off, there is there are people out there that 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.760 have trouble joining the Empire League just because they're worried 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.760 that it's going to go away in two years, that 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.640 it's going to go away right away, and that does happen. 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:31.080 But yeah, it's it's pretty rare. I've I've found with 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.360 these leagues. They're the sixteen man rosters went away or 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.400 you know, we had a back to back champ in 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.200 two years in one out of every nine leagues about 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.160 one and nine and one in after one in the 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.560 first two years back to back. Then I'm surprised it's 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:51.200 not even that high. And then in the two man rosters. Okay, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:56.440 hold on a second, I think so many people in 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:00.280 dynasty and empire leagues get fixated on young players and 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.600 then other people are gonna come and go nobody wants 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.360 to play over thirty. Fine, I'll take all these players 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.400 over thirty and they'll win it. And they'll go win 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:08.840 it right off the bat with a bunch of old 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:13.160 guys because everybody else's mindset is so locked into young 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.840 players all the time. All it takes is gain a 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.280 few of those in one league and then all of 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.680 a sudden, it's a nine man league. Really really it is. Yeah, yes, 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.720 So that's that's a tough. A tough way to try 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.239 to play an empire league is to just uh go 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.440 after all youth and just let the top teams grab 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.560 all those you know, vets that are scoring points. So 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.919 one in eight to one and nine teams win it 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.639 within two years. Um, So it's not much of a concern, 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.760 but it does exist. We recognize it exists. Someone's that's 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.879 gonna happen. About thirty percent of leagues you have a 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.560 double winner within three years, which seems was still a lot. Yeah, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:56.160 I'm surprised. I'm surprised. It's it's within three years. Keep 0:17:56.200 --> 0:18:03.359 going at four years, it's about okay. Leagues have cashed 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.400 out by has a double champ in either year two, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.359 year three, or year four. It's a little sooner than 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.040 I had expected. All right, uh right, now we we 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.439 do have leagues, you know, entering year six, now we 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.600 have a we have a good amount of them, I bet. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.320 And that's when we started servicing Empire leagues on our 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:22.760 side of the fence. And so they're a bunch of 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.360 Empire leagues are still going through safe leagues. I'll tell 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.280 you what, it's fun. We had we paid out if 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.480 we had to know, we were happy to. We paid 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.119 out a five thousand dollar pot last year. How about that? Yeah, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.280 that guy had been in it since year one and 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.199 he took it down. Yea thousand bucks. All right, Now 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:43.240 I want to talk briefly some draft strategy for you, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:49.760 and specifically this if of leagues are done in the 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.880 four year range, and you know then so I think, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.040 you know, four year, five year, six years probably the 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.360 most common. I would think here, as we run more 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.560 and more, I think that, yeah, that's probably five, four 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.480 or six years is probably where the most of them 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.920 we win. How many running backs from five years ago 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:13.600 are relevant today? Relevant? Almost none? Almost relevant to a 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:18.320 similar level. None? None. Right, So when I start my 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.480 when I start my Empire league, you know, uh, I 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.879 am I issue running backs almost entirely. They're gonna come 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.639 and go. I promote that in Dynasty as well. I 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.120 think it's I think it's valid there too. Um, I'm 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.320 and I don't even necessarily. It's not that I don't 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.120 want to win my Empire League and you're one and two, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.119 but I'd really rather hit it in year five and 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.159 six and get the big Empire pot. Right. So I'm 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:45.359 really gonna position myself primarily to be value to have 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.880 a chance of winning this thing later on. And that 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.280 to me is I want to be drafting players who 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:55.960 are young and not a running back, that are gonna 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:57.879 be able to be helping, helpful of my team in 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.639 five years. That means I want a young, great tight end. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.520 I want young great wide receivers, and maybe a young 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.000 great quarterback. I was gonna say at this point in time, 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.239 I have no problem with someone taking George Kittle at 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:15.240 age and Patrick Mahomes at age twenty three first right 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.640 right away. You absolutely could. You were going to get 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.720 those two players for six years, seven years, eight years 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.720 of high level skills. Yeah, it's it's weird to say 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.080 that like a quarterback that earlier tight end there, but 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.560 That's that's the way it is. You can get wide 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.320 receivers in the later round. You can draft them and 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.160 rookie drafts, tight ends and rookie drafts. You're waiting three 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.720 years on him, you really are. I've had Julio Jones 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.399 for his entire career, and he was my first overall, 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:46.040 my first round selection because I looked at his quarterback 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.800 who was then a young Matt Ryan and already good. 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.760 And here's Julio Jones is a rookie. He's gonna be good, 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.719 and like game on, I'm gonna you know, if Julio 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:56.639 Jones as good as I think he can be, I 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.680 could hold him for you know, a decade, And now 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.800 here we are, almost a decade later, Leo Jones is 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.480 still is still it's still valuable. So I really think 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.960 Empire leagues in particular, the way the way that initial 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:13.320 draft should go is you're really building around the young 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.960 players at positions that have a long life span. And 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:21.159 running back is it's basically everybody butt running back. Uh, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:26.360 Travis Kelsey, George Kittle. Kelsey's actually now get so he's 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.640 actually probably doesn't fit the mold. Uh So maybe it's 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.800 it's more Kittle as somebody who makes a ton of 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.360 sense as a as a young, building black guy at 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.800