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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer and Michael Cosson and I

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Speaker 1: heard Radio and People's Choice Awards nominated podcast What our Team? Well,

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Speaker 1: hello everybody, we're just like silent, going what's happening? I

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Speaker 1: think the whole everybody is thinking that, wow, what a

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Speaker 1: nice what a wow? I think I think everybody. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what to say. I'm about to take

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Speaker 1: a shot of a lemon, ginger and cayenne pepper. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna say tequila shot at tequila to start this show.

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Speaker 1: I've never done a shot at Tila Tequila. You want

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Speaker 1: to take these? I think we're just gonna let you

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Speaker 1: guys be uncomfortable for a few minutes and then we'll

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Speaker 1: see how it's going. Hello, So grass, there's no women?

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Speaker 1: Hy that was bad? Um? Alright, So, I mean obviously

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Speaker 1: the elephant in the room. UM, I will be very honest.

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Speaker 1: I've I'm just I have a lot of anxiety around it.

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Speaker 1: Had an anxiety attack this morning, I think. Um, I mean,

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Speaker 1: going into last week's episode, we we're not going to

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Speaker 1: share what was going on. UM. I was honestly shocked

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Speaker 1: that you shared, Mike because of how real it was.

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Speaker 1: But I understand why you did, because our whole thing

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Speaker 1: is that we want to help people. But I think

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Speaker 1: it was a massive lesson learned for Mike and I

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Speaker 1: and not be so real time because we weren't united

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Speaker 1: and we were still It's like, I think it's okay

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Speaker 1: to share scars, but I think when you have a

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Speaker 1: wound that's still open, I think that's I see now

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Speaker 1: on the outside of it, like that was not a

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Speaker 1: good thing. I think we should have saved that for

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Speaker 1: another time when we were in a better place. And

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Speaker 1: I understand that it has helped a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: and I get that, and I'm so glad that it has,

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Speaker 1: but it also has hurt worse because of the public

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Speaker 1: conversation around it and the people and because of where

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Speaker 1: I'm still at with it. It's made my anxiety worse.

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Speaker 1: It's made me feel more confused, and so I think

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Speaker 1: it's just and it's just kind of like put more

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Speaker 1: salt in the wound. So I mean, looking back, like

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Speaker 1: I wish we would have waited to share some and

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Speaker 1: I think that's the kind of a lesson learned for us,

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Speaker 1: because you know, there's people out there thinking Mike actually cheated,

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Speaker 1: and it's like girl yeah, so it's like, so it's

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Speaker 1: just you know, or or the people are like he's

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Speaker 1: never going to stop eating on you, like you should leave,

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Speaker 1: like and it's just like they only see the headline

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Speaker 1: and not actually what happened. And then you know, I

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Speaker 1: have so many and I love my friends for texting me.

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Speaker 1: I love people that I haven't talked to in a

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Speaker 1: while reach out to me. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: some of it's been oh yeah, my husband, he relapsed

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Speaker 1: again too, and I'm just like, and then I start

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Speaker 1: getting in that cycle of this is the world that

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Speaker 1: I'm in and this is it's going to keep happening,

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Speaker 1: and so then I start to just feed the wound,

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Speaker 1: and you know, to the point this morning where I

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Speaker 1: was just like, I I just need to take a

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Speaker 1: break from looking at messages, looking at being so because

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I just my anxiety and I hope, like

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Speaker 1: and Mike knows this too, I was like, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I honestly just don't even know where I'm at, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll I don't know, because it's just

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Speaker 1: it's hard because he'll always say, well, I'm gonna it

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Speaker 1: won't happen again. It's like I've heard that so many times,

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Speaker 1: but I think maybe now he sees how bad that

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Speaker 1: whether he did something or not. I just like, I'm

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Speaker 1: to the point of like a literally a nervous breakdown

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Speaker 1: where I just can't physically handle it anymore. And that's

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Speaker 1: not the strength that I want to portray to my daughter,

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Speaker 1: to myself, to anyone else out there too. So hopefully,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've had this conversation, but it's still you know,

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Speaker 1: It's just that was the risky part about opening that.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree? Mm hmm. I'm sorry you're going through that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate it. It's just it's just hard

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Speaker 1: because I'm just like, and you know, I told Michael

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Speaker 1: the other day, I was just like, I don't believe

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Speaker 1: that there won't be another time, and that sucks to

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Speaker 1: like have to feel that because I've just how do

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Speaker 1: I believe that when I've heard so many times I'll

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Speaker 1: I know it wasn't a real person. I know all

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Speaker 1: the the is it weak to stay? Couldn't it be considered.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's weak to stay. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: convinced that what happened again? But what you mean by

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Speaker 1: that is you're not saying you're not convinced you what

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Speaker 1: you again? Right? Yeah? And that's and that, unfortunately is

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Speaker 1: the issue. It's like he's like, I didn't. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I know, you didn't. I was like, but what is

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Speaker 1: just the trauma for me is not him acting out

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Speaker 1: the other women. Sure that would hurt, but the trauma

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Speaker 1: that I've had in this relationship is the finding out things.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I just truly I was like, I

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Speaker 1: the past that it's just I and from this last time,

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Speaker 1: like the amount of anxiety and and the like, I

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Speaker 1: hope you see that I'm not physically able to handle

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Speaker 1: another episode like that because it's just two it's it's

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Speaker 1: it just goes back to all the trauma from from

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Speaker 1: the discovery and it's just it's it's overwhelming, which is

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Speaker 1: you know obviously why I got upset last week's podcast. Um,

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Speaker 1: just I think my fear is you know where why

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of like depressed in a little like anxious

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Speaker 1: written is because I you know, I've been told that

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Speaker 1: I don't I can't trust that. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: just like it's painful and it I I just can't

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Speaker 1: like physically hold that anymore. So, I mean we've talked

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Speaker 1: So where do we go from here? I mean, you

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Speaker 1: But is their hope here? That's your question? Answer? No,

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't just be on me. It's the work that

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Speaker 1: you know we both have to do. It's not do

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Speaker 1: It's not a good environment from Mike, And I just

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Speaker 1: But knowing what that stuff is done to Janna, not

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Speaker 1: is saying that say whatever, that I'm probably still cheating

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Speaker 1: or or I'll never stop or what. I'm like, are

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, like they don't they don't know, you know,

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Speaker 1: appreciated it, but that's not how I received love. That's

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Speaker 1: how I received it is that's not how I received love. Well,

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Speaker 1: we are gonna not to cross promote, which means we're

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Speaker 1: going to cross promote. Um, we are going to die.

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Speaker 1: Since we canceled last week's episode due to everything because

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Speaker 1: we are too fresh in things. We canceled our last

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Speaker 1: thursday's Telly you are Telly in Perfect Harmony series because

431
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Speaker 1: I was about to have a panic attack. So this Thursday,

432
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Speaker 1: we're gonna do uh live head on conversation about all

433
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Speaker 1: of this, um, and we're not like about it. We're

434
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Speaker 1: gonna answer questions. So you guys have questions about your

435
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Speaker 1: spouse or your it's gonna be around the topic of

436
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Speaker 1: keeping secrets of all of that and had to hand

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Speaker 1: to it. So we are going to address this. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about things around this topic. UM. So

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Speaker 1: if you guys want to come interact with us download

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Speaker 1: the teliat t E l I E imperfect harmon us

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Speaker 1: our show and we'll we'll have a sit down about it. Well,

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00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: sorry about us Thursday. Let's take a break, Let's get

443
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: out of our world and let's talk about somebody else's world.

444
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Speaker 1: So mark different emails or anything for us I do.

445
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Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't make things worse. The subject line

446
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: is he won't stop lying. Ah, this is from Jessica. No,

447
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: it says this is totally different. This is a totally

448
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: different situation. I just thought out. My boyfriend of three

449
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: and a half years, while we were going through a

450
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: rough patch, he unblocked his AX and started texting and

451
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: face timing. He says he was lonely and needed someone

452
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Speaker 1: to talk too. I found out through her messaging me

453
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: and telling me everything. When I first asked him about it,

454
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: he denied everything and said, just block her. You know,

455
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: he was doing the gaslight and thing, Oh she's crazy,

456
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: just block her. But then she sent me the FaceTime

457
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: pictures and the screenshots and the text conversations, and that's

458
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: when he admitted finally to yeah, he was facetiming and texting.

459
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: Well duh. She also told me that he went over

460
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Speaker 1: to her house on the fourth of July. We were

461
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: together on the fourth of July. Things were fine. They

462
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: both say nothing physical happened, But I don't believe either

463
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: of them. I think there's more that they're not telling me.

464
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: Do I keep pushing them for proof of the truth.

465
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how to ever trust him again because

466
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: he just keeps lying about everything. I feel like I'm

467
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: going to be a total hypocrite but leave. But it's

468
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 1: not really hypocritical, it's really not I mean kind of

469
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: he won't stop lying, you know what I mean? Yes,

470
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Speaker 1: did he call her during a rough patch? Did you

471
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Speaker 1: say that was the first part, is that he went

472
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: to her house during a rough patch. But then she

473
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: found out that he was a place in the fourth

474
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: of July and things were fine. Look, you three and

475
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: a half. You need proof for something what you know?

476
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: That's a thing. You don't need proof for what you

477
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: already know and you know. So why do you want

478
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: to continue to hurt yourself with that? Michael m Um, Yeah,

479
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: you know me, I do that thing that's like good

480
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: bad of the relationship is good and is bad. That's

481
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: not that bad. But this it sounds like she's overwhelmed

482
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: trying to find proof of him cheating, which is being

483
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: with this other woman cheating or not. And that's why, Well,

484
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm interested in why the X would send her. So

485
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: the ex girlfriend was sending her all the messages and

486
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Speaker 1: screenshots and stuff, but then she said that they weren't

487
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Speaker 1: being physical. I thought to Ward two, why would the

488
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: ex send all that stuff? But then that's what she's

489
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: going to withhold, So that makes me want to honestly

490
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: think that they aren't being physical. Regardless, the whole situation

491
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: is inappropriate and wrong. Right, he's still sneaking around with

492
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: her behind his girlfriend's back, right, But it's like her friend,

493
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: that's weird to me. But because she jealous? Why what

494
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: do you mean? I find it? And that the X

495
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: called the current girlfriend, It's like, what's that about me?

496
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: And something I would never do? Yeah, she doesn't want

497
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: to cheat with this guy, but she wants him single.

498
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah same here here, here, right, So it's like why,

499
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean, why all over the place. It's not cool

500
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: and Jessica knows this. I edited out a few more

501
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: examples of him not being honest with her just to

502
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Speaker 1: make it a shorter email for air. I mean it's

503
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: time to go. Yeah, yeah, that's I mean. Dad Mark says,

504
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: say goodbye, and daughter Janna agrees. We're all laughing, just

505
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: faking it till we make it. I also like that

506
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: we have a guest coming in, but we have to

507
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: just act like we're fine. We are love. It is

508
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: going to be great. I'm so excited for Bow. He

509
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Speaker 1: seems I like. I mean, he's like a motivational Speaker's

510
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Speaker 1: motivate us to be better. He's all about plan a

511
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Speaker 1: no foremost football player. We're gonna have a good, good

512
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: time with him. Yeah, it's gonna be fine. I'm excited. Fine,

513
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be motivating. We're gonna leave here feeling great,

514
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: energized and no plan b's and no plans, just you

515
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Speaker 1: and me baby. And people Choice Award because if you

516
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Speaker 1: listen last week, you know they deserve it. I really,

517
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Speaker 1: I gave tears, gave heart break. If that doesn't give

518
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Speaker 1: us something, they're paying for your listening pleasure. Seems like

519
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: we deserve a People's Choice Award. Yeah, So if you

520
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: guys don't mind going on giving us a little some

521
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: sympathy votes, this is the last week to vote. Give

522
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Speaker 1: us some good out of this. It ends Friday. It's

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Speaker 1: pc A dot eonline dot com. Maybe Tony can give

524
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Speaker 1: us some love wish well thinking from your own viewers.

525
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Speaker 1: All right, bows coming in, let's get him alright. So

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Speaker 1: in case y'all didn't know it's the hundredth year of

527
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Speaker 1: the NFL. That you didn't know that, it's like everywhere

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Speaker 1: every Sunday, the hundredth anniversary. It's on the field, it's

529
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Speaker 1: on the uniform. Everybody cares. It's America's game. Who cares? Anyways?

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Speaker 1: excited for our guests today. You know, we have a

549
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of different kind of guests on

550
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: the show. Very seldom do we get an exper athlete

551
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: that I can sit here and wrap with. So I'll

552
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: let Joanna, Honey, I'll let you chime in every now

553
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: and then, wag wasn't good enough for you? Was looking for? Okay,

554
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: but we'll get into we'll dive into everything right now.

555
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: But please introduce Mr bow Easton here on the show today.

556
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: You're like, whooo alright, bro, So give our listeners a

557
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: little bit of your backstory. You elevator pitch. Elevator pitch

558
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: played in the NFL. So, my brother, how many years

559
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: did you play again? Five? Oh? Same asn't you? Mike? Yeah? Yeah,

560
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: I was looking at your guys stuff earlier today, which

561
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: teams did you play for Sorry. I got drafted by

562
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: the Houston Oilers in four and then played with them

563
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: for four years and then got traded to San Francisco.

564
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: In Oh, San Francisco, who's the Radcrest? Okay, they were

565
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: actually why we don't do podcast? The Raiders were actually

566
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Speaker 1: l a at that time. Yeah, that was also one

567
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: so give me a break here. Yeah, that's right. You're

568
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: born in eighty three. Just saw that. That's so good

569
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: and uh and so when I got done, um, like

570
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: we all do so soon, you know, Um, I wrote

571
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: a one man play and it went to Broadway and

572
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: it became this hit and it got bought as a

573
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: movie and it ran for a fifteen years. Run to

574
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: the Litter. It's a one man show. It's actually like

575
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: a canaanable tight story between my brother and I actually,

576
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: and it's kind of semi autobiographical about two guys, two brothers,

577
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: who grew up best friends and then eventually they are

578
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: pitted against one another and have to destroy each other

579
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Speaker 1: to make their dreams come true. But they happen to

580
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: be best friends, so it's uh it. It got a

581
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: lot of attention in New York and it was it

582
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: was great and then uh, while I was there in

583
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: New York, business people kept coming to the show and

584
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: they knock on the you know, like titans of industry

585
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: knock on the stage door, which never happens, you know,

586
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: and on Broadway and they're like, hey, can you bring

587
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: this show to my to our company? And Donna and

588
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: I for years were like, no, what are you talking about.

589
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: This is a theater piece. We don't bring this to companies.

590
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: And they go, no, no, you got to bring it.

591
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: And five six years we said no. And one time

592
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: one guy came in and goes, hey, it's the hundredth

593
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: year of my company. I'll fly your family. We had

594
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: two little ones at that time. I'll fly your family

595
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Speaker 1: to Hawaii and you'll you'll do this play and and

596
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: then he said what they paid, and we go, oh,

597
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: maybe we do do that. That sounds fine, And so

598
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: we did it, and we did it like in plain

599
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Speaker 1: clothes instead of like the outfit that I normally wear

600
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Speaker 1: on Broadway. So did that and then that part just

601
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: really blew up, like the speaking area really blew up

602
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: as far as companies go and all so, and then

603
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: that just led to the book, which your book is

604
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: called There's no Plan B for your A game. And

605
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: what's what's the best message, um that you've given that book?

606
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: Is that about that? Like, is it not having a

607
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: Plan B? Yeah? I mean that. You know. The reason

608
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: the title is is what it is, having no Plan

609
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: B was because my mom was like that, you know,

610
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Speaker 1: and uh, I just remember I'm the youngest of six kids, right,

611
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: So I have four older sisters and one older brother.

612
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: And I had this dream when I was a kid,

613
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Speaker 1: and I wrote it on this piece of paper that

614
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be the best safety in the world, right,

615
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: not even really knowing what a safety did. I only

616
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: knew they stopped people, they tackled people. That's all I knew.

617
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: So I wrote that up. I followed it. But on

618
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: the way to following it, you know, you're getting rejected

619
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: left and right. Like I wasn't even recruited to go

620
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: to college and play football. And so my mom's friends

621
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: would come over to the house and they would I

622
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: remember them sitting, you know, with my mom, having a

623
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: glass of wine and they'd say, you know, um Bo

624
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: and Tony that's my brother's name. They have these big dreams,

625
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, but we don't know any pro athletes and

626
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: there's not any from our area, so maybe they should

627
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: have a plan B. And my mom would take these

628
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Speaker 1: ladies and throw them out of our house and slam

629
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Speaker 1: the door and never to be seen again. And right then,

630
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: and I was young, and I go, man, this is serious, right,

631
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Speaker 1: so she knows. I just I didn't even know what

632
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Speaker 1: plan be meant at that time, but I said, if

633
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Speaker 1: my mom's so serious about this and she throws her

634
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Speaker 1: best friends out of the house, then this must mean something, right.

635
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: And that's where the title came from. It's just we

636
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Speaker 1: just didn't have any options. And I think, you know,

637
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: these days, a lot of us go, well, man, I've

638
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of options. I want my kids to

639
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of options. And I always say, I

640
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, this is the fight that Michael and

641
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: I get in a lot because so I didn't go

642
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: to college because I didn't want to plan B for

643
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. So I was just like,

644
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: when I graduate high school, I'm moving to l A.

645
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to be an actress, and I don't want

646
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: to plan B because if I have a plan B,

647
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna end up being the accountant that I

648
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: go to school to be or you know, get my

649
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: degree in And you know, my parents, my dad did

650
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: not love that. All My mom was like, go go

651
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: go live your dreams and because everything she wanted to do.

652
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: And so, you know, with our kids now, I'm like,

653
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: if Jolie comes to me and says, you know, I

654
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: don't want to get a degree because I want to

655
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: go do this, and I'm I can't tell her you

656
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: can't do that because you need a plan B. If

657
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: she's going to go move to l A and be

658
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: an actress or wherever she wants to go, or I can't.

659
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: How could I tell her, no, you have to get

660
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: a degree when I didn't and I'm doing amazing, you know,

661
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, what if it doesn't work out.

662
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's not the mindset that you should have. Well,

663
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: it always works out, that's the thing. If you have

664
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: a Plan B, then Plan B is working out for sure.

665
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: And it's just how human beings are made. You know,

666
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: we're going to go to the road that's easier. So

667
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: if you have a Plan B, which is always easier,

668
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: I'll fallback plant plan it gets hard, they're gonna start

669
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: turning towards and I love just seeing the title I've

670
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: loved so much because you know in the world that

671
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: we came from. When when in professional athletics, so many

672
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: people I feel like just only talk about Plan B.

673
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: I remember when I first I signed as an undrafted

674
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: free agent out of college with Jacksonville, and I saw

675
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: my contract. Before I even step foot on the field,

676
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: I had relatives and families saying, so, what are you

677
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna do after you're done playing? I'm like, what do

678
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: you mean? I was like, this, that doesn't that has

679
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: no relevance. Right now, it is like, this is what

680
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I have to put everything into the into

681
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: this and for the exact reason that you're saying, otherwise

682
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: it won't happen this and so. But it's hard now.

683
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: It's difficult having two young kids like we have and

684
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: now thinking like my parents, because my parents are always

685
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: they're very conservative. That's like, you know, when you findance

686
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: the house, you do thirty year fixed mortgage. You we've

687
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: had the same career for thirty years. It's like, you know,

688
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: that's what they do. And they always preach education, which

689
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: I understand now as a parent because I'm like with

690
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: our kids, I don't want them. I want them to

691
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: be somewhat educated in their choice. I don't want them

692
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Speaker 1: just to have a dream. One day they wake up

693
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: and say they want to do something, they take off

694
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Speaker 1: and go do it. Have some thought, have a purpose

695
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: behind it, have the purpose behind it. That's one thing.

696
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: But it's difficult because I already anticipate that struggle when

697
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: the kids come of age. It's like, we're both able

698
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: to be that, you know, part of that one percent

699
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: in our respected careers who didn't have Plan b's, But

700
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: now as parents, how do you So have you guys

701
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: approached that with your kids? Yeah? That well, a lot

702
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: of the book you'll see is that has the kids

703
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: all in it, because the kids have really big dreams

704
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: and they're completely unreasonable. What you they have to be right?

705
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: You know, people always go, well, you should be reasonable

706
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: about your dreams. I'm like, well, their dreams. Want to

707
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: be reasonable about it. I mean, look, it's the same work.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna do a have a mediocre life or

709
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Speaker 1: have a have be the best in the world, that's something.

710
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: It's it's the same kind of work. You still gotta work. Um,

711
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: why not have the big unreasonable one? Why not have

712
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: the one that you dream about, and that's where people

713
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: do you know, and people are just trying to protect

714
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: you or protect me, or protect you from yourself. You know,

715
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: they're going, yeah, I don't know about moving to l

716
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Speaker 1: A and becoming an actress. I hear that. It's really hard. Yeah,

717
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: that is hard. That's why I'm going. Digging ditches is

718
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: hard to you know, when somebody's going to do that

719
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: work right, And people are always trying to talk you

720
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Speaker 1: out of your own dreams. So the kids are huge

721
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Speaker 1: in the book. I have a twelve year old son.

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Speaker 1: You'll love this, Michael Um. He's when he was six,

723
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Speaker 1: he drew up his twenty year plan, right, so he's

724
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Speaker 1: seen he's seen mine, my piece of papers fifty years

725
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: old now and I still have it. So he saw

726
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: it at six and he goes, Okay, I'm gonna draw

727
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: mine up, and he drew up. He wants to be

728
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Speaker 1: the first guy ever to play in the NBA and

729
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: the NFL. So that's never happened. Yeah, so it's not

730
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: it's never happened, So we might as well be saying, oh, Axel,

731
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: his name is Axel, Axel, You're gonna be the first

732
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: guy to walk on Mars, you know, because it's just

733
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: never been done. And since he's been six and now

734
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Speaker 1: he's twelve, he has been training and I mean serious,

735
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: He is dead serious and it's his decision. Yes, he

736
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: wants to do it, that's right, and the whole family

737
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: just got behind it. And when strangers come over, they

738
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: always want us offten the blow too, just like they

739
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: were trying to do with you guys. They go axel so,

740
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: so wait a second, axl um, which one do you

741
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: like better? And he will he's smart kid. He doesn't answer.

742
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: He goes, I like them both, and they're going so

743
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: or you know, your your dad played NFL and your

744
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: uncle was a quarterback in the NFL, so maybe NFL

745
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: And he's like, now I'm doing both and he won't budge.

746
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Do you do you think he can? Really? Oh? Yeah, yeah, no, no,

747
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: he's he's he's uh but what about when he's like

748
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: in his twenties and he'll say like and you're like,

749
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: all right, the kid's not like he's not cut for it.

750
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: Then what well that he'll get his heartbroken and that'll

751
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: be it, but he won't have a p But then

752
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: so then what happens? No, no, because there's no plan B,

753
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: but A turns in if you doesn't work on something else. Ye,

754
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: well he reveals the right a right. It never it's

755
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: not like a soft braiding on the curve. Yeah, it's uh,

756
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: you know. And look, here's the thing. If you don't

757
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: have any options, like you know, that's why if you

758
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: look at elite athletes, the ones that we admire the most,

759
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: the ones that really play, they didn't have an option.

760
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: It's not like they were, you know, could do do

761
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: anything else. It's not like they're they came from a

762
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: wealthy family that can just fund them all the way through.

763
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: You know that that's why pro athletes are come from

764
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: poor backgrounds, you know, because there's not an option and

765
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: you got to get your family out of what they're in.

766
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: So we're just doing the same thing with that. So okay,

767
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's figure it out. Hockey, right because

768
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: hockey unless it's hockey, because all the gear and hockey

769
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: is expensive. I mean, yeah, you're not. You don't have

770
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: the inner city we got. She's marrying Mr Gretzky son

771
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: over there, so yeah, so that my kids go to

772
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: the same school. Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh that's so funny

773
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: named after Wayne. Amazing school. Yeah, cool school, right, every

774
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: time we drive by, I'm like, you went to high

775
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: school here? Yeah, I know it's so cool. But yeah no,

776
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, hockey is expensive. Hockey is very expensive because

777
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: I remember, like figure skating, it's like my skates with

778
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars back then, Like hello, yeah, that's so expensive. Yeah.

779
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: So do you think today's society just with there's so

780
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: many opportunities for for these young guys coming in into

781
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: any professional athletics, is that a good thing? Is it

782
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: too distracting? I mean I'm kind of torn in between

783
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: because it's like you can help one thing, can help

784
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: generate the other, but then where's their focus getting drawn

785
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: to it? More of off the field stuff or on

786
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: the field. So do you think it's been beneficial or

787
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: more kind of harmful for those guys and they're in

788
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: their playing career. I think it's harder today just because

789
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: all the distractions. I mean you look at when I played.

790
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: We didn't have cell phones, right, so there was no

791
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: Instagram and you weren't you weren't building a brand. You

792
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: were just trying to win a game, you know, for

793
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: your city. Yeah, it was all sports, So the level

794
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: of play was really high and very dangerous and violent. Right.

795
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: And then you know, as you watch this developed, like

796
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm even watching it with my kids, but you'll start

797
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: to see, oh, this athlete isn't really concerned about winning this, uh,

798
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: the NBA Championship. They're more interested in building their brand

799
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: or getting you know, Facebook or Instagram, whatever they're getting,

800
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: whatever they're building, you know what I mean. It's a

801
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: huge distraction because now and I've I've talked to the

802
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: guys in the locker room and they said, first thing,

803
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: the first thing we used to do when it came

804
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: in the locker room with if you lost, everyone's like, man,

805
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's upset, people are crying, people are gonna

806
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: lose their jobs. And if we won, everyone was drinking

807
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: beer and were celebrating together. Right. But now, yep, everyone

808
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: goes to their phone and their separate you know quarters,

809
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: So it's all separate. So it doesn't have that team

810
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: building thing that we had. You know. So I'm watching

811
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Speaker 1: my son go through this now and I'm like, going, man, listen,

812
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: And there's a piece in the book. It's a chapter

813
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: in the book that's all about distractions. These days, which

814
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: is another you know, it goes right back to the title.

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Speaker 1: What you were talking about, Janet, is Look, if you're

816
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: not playing a big enough game, this world's going to

817
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: distract you. Because this world is really good at it.

818
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: You know that the entertainment world is good. I mean,

819
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: they're good at having you watch and listen to their stuff, right.

820
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, look, Act, so if you're gonna make

821
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: this thing come true, you're you're going to have to

822
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: be the guy. You're not a fan of other guys

823
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: and other gals. You are the guy, right, So you

824
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: have to take that on in your own life. So

825
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: you have to play such a big game that like

826
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't play video games, right, but all his buddies

827
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: they play video games all day. And I'm just going look,

828
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: acts a watch, watch how many hours that is per

829
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: day that they're distracted and you're focused on your dream. Now,

830
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: those hours are going to add up after twenty years,

831
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: and it won't be a fair fight in twenty years,

832
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's what I want my

833
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: kids to know. And like my daughter who's fifteen, Eloise,

834
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: she wants to be the best pastry chef, right, So

835
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: same thing with her. It's just it's just a different discipline.

836
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: The principles are the same. Where you want to be

837
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: the best tight end or the best safety, or you

838
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: want to be the best pastry chef, it's the same thing,

839
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: like no options. Can you put your eggs in different baskets?

840
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: So still have the same dream but still be able

841
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: to do different things. Is it spreading too thin? I

842
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: think it is. I like to go one thing at

843
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: a time and then that always reveals the next path.

844
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: So you couldn't still stay on the one and like

845
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: still do it, but you have, Like I bet you could,

846
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: But I think you have to learn the principles of

847
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: mastery first. You know, I love this saying. Um, if

848
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: you master one thing, so you're a tight end. Yeah,

849
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: so the position of tight end or voice singing? Right,

850
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: you master your own voice, You master the plane of

851
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: a position so specific to you, to you, Um, if

852
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: you master one thing, you master all things. So when

853
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: I went from being the best safety to wanting to

854
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: be the best stage performer, I sat down with al

855
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: Pacino because he was the was the best stage performer

856
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: of our time, and I said, dude, I want what

857
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: you've got, Tell me what to do. I know how

858
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: to do it as at a position in football, but

859
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: how do I do it here? Given I have no experience?

860
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: And he laid out, like fifteen years right, what I

861
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: had to do, And basically what he said was the

862
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: same thing that you and I did, the same thing

863
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: that you probably did jan and which was spend. He

864
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: just basically said, you have to spend more time on

865
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: a stage, your ass on a stage, more than any

866
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: other human being in the next fifteen years. And if

867
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: you do that and you play you, you say the

868
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: classic words, you say the classic text, you'll end up

869
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: at the top because no one will be able to

870
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: compete with you. Now, that was years ago, that was

871
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: so science. Now they've done all kinds of studies and

872
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: all kinds of science to prove that that's exactly right.

873
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: That's one the case, regardless of discipline, regardless of it's

874
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: safety or best stage performer or playwright or or singer,

875
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It's all the same. Um, this one study.

876
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: You guys will love this book. And how old your kids.

877
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: We have a almost ten month old baby boy, at

878
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: three and a half year a little girl. Oh great,

879
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: you guys, they're so young. This is perfect. There's nothing

880
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: more fun than raising little champions, you know, because but

881
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm scared though with the boy, just because I don't

882
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: want him to feel like he can't be emotional or

883
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: he has to be tough, so that he's my biggest

884
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: challenge with him, I think, so trying to not make

885
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: him be too hard on him because I feel sometimes

886
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: feel like him following in is like father's foot sets

887
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: are being too hard. I'm like, no, like, let's be little.

888
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to raise

889
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: it softie. But at the same time, I feel like

890
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: that balance is gonna be a tough one to walk

891
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: for both of us. I know, just my sense of

892
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: you guys, I don't worry about that at all, not

893
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: at all the same with us. I mean, look, she's

894
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 1: the one who's my wife, don She's the one who's tough,

895
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: and and you know, there's a theory that if you

896
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: go back through the Spartans and they call him Spartan moms,

897
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: go back through all the wars that have ever been fought,

898
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: and every elite, elite performer there's ever been it was

899
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: because of the strength of the mom, not the dad.

900
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: The dad at is basically the cheerleader, like go get them,

901
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: and the mom can't buckle. And as soon as the

902
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: mom buckles, now that country can't win a war. And

903
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: this goes all the way back into the Spartan ages.

904
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: And it's crazy that that that the Spartan moms were

905
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: so tough, and so you gotta go and don't come

906
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: back unless you're on that shield, you know. And so

907
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: that's that's the strength of any army, any team, any athlete,

908
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: any performer. It's the mom, always the mom, because they're

909
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: just unbending. They don't like I get I don't know

910
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: if you're like this, but when my kids get hurt,

911
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: like I've had a lot of surgeries, right, but when

912
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: my kids get hurt, I free. I don't like it.

913
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: Like I'm like afraid they're gonna be like when they're

914
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: bleeding and stuff. And Dawn's totally fine. My wife's like,

915
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: totally fine. Just rub it, you know, rub it and

916
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: get off, you know, put some dirt on it. You're good,

917
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: get over here. And that our daughters three and a

918
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: half going on thirteen, so right now we're probably both like, gad,

919
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: you'll be all right. I'll be like new baby boy,

920
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: and he's ten months almost ten months. You know, it's

921
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: interesting what you're saying about kind of about the mindset.

922
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: It's and I'll tell you what with all of the

923
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: type of personalities that you know, we've all I'm sure

924
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: been around, especially in our professions, I've never met someone

925
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: in my life who can master multiple things better than

926
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: my wife. In all honesty, I've never seen someone where

927
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: as many hats as she does and does it with

928
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: like unwavering commitment and performance on everything that she did.

929
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: It's fascinating and frustrating for me to watch because I'm

930
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: like you where it's like when I do something, I

931
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: have to do just that because that's how all I've

932
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: done my entire life is when I'm doing one thing,

933
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: I put everything I have into this thing. When that's done,

934
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: I can do the next thing. And which is frustrating

935
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: to her because we work in a lot of different

936
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: projects right now. You know, we have this, we have

937
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: a show online, we have a docu series, we have

938
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: another project that we're working on. All we all these

939
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: different things that each day we might have to do

940
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of all of it. And it's she's

941
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: been She's able to do it. Without even blinking, And

942
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, I need

943
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: a second here. I mean, you know, but it's just

944
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: it's that is my mindset, and it's but I think

945
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: it's important. Like I said, I think jan is just

946
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: an anomaly. I think she's just a miracle worker somehow.

947
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: But I feel like that is how I personally have

948
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: to be. Otherwise everything I do will be mediocre. Ye, exactly.

949
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: Our relationship dawns in mind is exactly like yours. If

950
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: she can do it. I remember her watching her when

951
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: the kids were little, which you're probably going through this now,

952
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: where cooking breakfast, nursing a baby, running my career, you

953
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: know what, and producing the play all at one time

954
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: with a phone and and I'm my, I I gotta

955
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: take the garbage out and that's the one thing I

956
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: can do, you know. So it's true. I think that's true.

957
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: Male female? Is we gott? How do you bring the

958
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: A the plant, not bring the Plan B eight into

959
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: your marriage? Um, the same same principles. Is you being

960
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: the best singer in the world, Are you being the

961
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: best tight end in the world? The exact same principles.

962
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: You have to make a Declaration of that's what you're

963
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna do. You know, no different than the Declaration of Independence.

964
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: It's just the same. You declare what you want and

965
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: that always comes true. Here's the problem. People just don't

966
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: do it. People think their marriage is just gonna work out.

967
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: You know, that doesn't happen. You know, those don't. It's hard,

968
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a it's a commitment.

969
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: It's no different than than your career. You know. It's like,

970
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: this is what was what we're going to build together.

971
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: That's it sounds like that's what you guys are doing too.

972
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: What we've done is really like we're good at building

973
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: stuff together, like and simple things like our home. You

974
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: like building our home and then our building those our

975
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: three kids and developing them, and then building our play

976
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: and building the movie and then building a speaking career

977
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: and build we build it and now the book. Things

978
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: that because she's managing your everything. Yeah, because that's like yeah, same,

979
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: you guys would still be uh yeah right, doing one thing,

980
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: doing that one thing. But it's I mean, it's it's

981
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: true though. I mean, that's that's what you're saying. I mean,

982
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: that's you have to be the best, you know, the

983
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: husband and the wife, and you guys are doing it

984
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: together and noticing each other strengths and weaknesses too. And

985
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, how do you guys work together?

986
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: Because because Jane and I are two different people, we

987
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: have two different mindsets, we have two different working styles

988
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: depending on the project. Have you all faced challenges with

989
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: working together and on how do you fight through this? Not?

990
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: We rarely argue about business stuff, you know. And she's

991
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: she's always been on the production side, and I've always

992
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: been on the stage side. Um, but now like the

993
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: world's calling more for her to lead, to be out front,

994
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, she's always the leader, but she's

995
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: kind of backstage leader, you know what I mean. Um,

996
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: But I think, um, we're really good together. Um. We

997
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: don't really argue about stuff. She handles stuff that I

998
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: don't want to do, and I handle stuff she doesn't

999
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: want to do. So it's just like playing your position,

1000
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: you know. I'm you know, like you know you're gonna

1001
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: lose when the offensive linemen want to play quarterback, you know,

1002
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: because now no one's playing their position. No one's happy

1003
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: with their position. Same thing in marriage, when people want

1004
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: to play the other one's position and start to get

1005
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: all out of balance. Now you're all screwed up. Okay,

1006
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: remind me ask you on that. Then, this is just

1007
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: from our personal experience. When you say, you know, Donald,

1008
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: take care of things that you don't want to You'll

1009
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: take care of things she doesn't want to do. You

1010
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: guys put pressure on each other for the timeline of

1011
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: when those certain things are accomplished. Yeah, I mean we

1012
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: always there's always a you know, there's always a deadline,

1013
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: like you guys, right, Yeah, is that what you're doing? Yeah?

1014
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: Or is it like you know, saying what he's trying

1015
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: to call me out of, Like I like things to

1016
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: be done yesterday, and so when I asked him do something,

1017
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: it's like, it's shocking to me that takes him a

1018
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: week when I'm like, I would have done it two

1019
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: days ago. Does that sound familiar, sweetheart? Yea, my wife.

1020
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: My wife is nodding. Um, that's exactly. I think it's

1021
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: the male female, which is why it's gonna work. That's

1022
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,479
Speaker 1: why it works. You know, if you're all the same,

1023
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: that does not work. That's why, right, it just doesn't.

1024
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: The reason you're attracted is the opposite, Like you know

1025
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: that's just how it goes. Like you somehow deep inside

1026
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: you just love that he's like can do one thing

1027
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: and do it well. I don't know if I love

1028
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: at all. Actually, it's like one of the least things

1029
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: I love. How boring would it be if like you

1030
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: never had to remind me of anything? Sarah? I was

1031
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: really quiet, this is we're good right now, and I

1032
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: just like, you know, no, but I I yeah, I

1033
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: love being doing I think it's good to be different

1034
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: to your point. Yeah, that part's good. Yeah, opposite to tract.

1035
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: That's how it goes, going back real quick. So when

1036
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: you retired and you got into doing stage and everything,

1037
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: did you have a background that How did you know

1038
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: when you got out because it seemed like it was

1039
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: a pretty quick turnaround to you going from football into

1040
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do? Yeah, how did

1041
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: you know so quickly? It's like bomb doing this. This

1042
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: is what we're doing this girl, you know what. I

1043
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: was being wheeled off the field in Orange Bowl in Miami. Yeah,

1044
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: and uh it was my seventh knee surgery. And as

1045
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: I was being I was on a stretcher and I

1046
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: was being wheeled off, and um, I was twenty seven

1047
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: years old, and I just remember going, oh my god,

1048
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: you know what am I gonna do? And I remember

1049
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: like having arguments like with God, you know, like as

1050
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,000
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Speaker 1: keep taking these legs away like I was having that

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Speaker 1: kind of and I thought to myself, I go, look,

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Speaker 1: I've trained myself for twenty years to be the best

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Speaker 1: thought of in the very next moment, I thought of

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Speaker 1: watching plays. And I've never been into play, but I

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Speaker 1: cool how people can express themselves and it's not even them,

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Speaker 1: they're playing a character. And I never studied it, it

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Speaker 1: didn't really know much about it. But after I had

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Speaker 1: I went I moved to New York, and I just

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Speaker 1: followed the same principles. It took me to get to

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Speaker 1: started studying and eventually wrote the play, and then the

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Speaker 1: play took off. Um, I just followed the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It took years, took a fifteen years, you know, to

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Speaker 1: write it and to have it. Uh Don produced it

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Speaker 1: and and she's producing the movie. So uh of course,

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Speaker 1: that's that transition was. It worked out pretty good. It

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Speaker 1: because that that's legal, you know, it could hurt people,

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Speaker 1: it's legal. And I was good at that. And now

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Speaker 1: gonna do with myself? You know? How am I gonna

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Speaker 1: if I can express myself on the stage, it'll be

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