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Speaker 1: I Am all In.

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Speaker 2: I Am all In with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one

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Speaker 1: eleven productions, iHeart Radio. One on one interview. We have

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Speaker 1: a very special guest, Micole Austo, who is a children's

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Speaker 1: book editor for nearly a decade and began writing professionally

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. She's written a children's book

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Speaker 1: about Gilmore Girls, or Gilmore's Book that's geared toward children.

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Speaker 1: McColl welcome, Thanks for coming on. We're real excited to

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Speaker 1: have you tell us a little bit about your book,

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Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls at Home in Stars Hollow.

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Speaker 3: It is entitled I would be so happy to so

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Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls at Home and Stars Hollow is actually a

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Speaker 3: children's picture book, and it's a storybook that tells a

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Speaker 3: little bit about Lorelei and Rory and their origins in

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Speaker 4: So it's a storybook.

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Speaker 3: It's a picture book meant for Gilmore Superband, meant for everyone.

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Speaker 4: Really, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Story for mothers and daughters, and it's a chance for

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Speaker 3: everyone to revisit all their favorite characters and Stars Hollow

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Speaker 3: and just spend a little time with all their favorite

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Speaker 3: people in their favorite place. It was so much fun

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Speaker 3: to write. It was such a good time. I had

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Speaker 3: such a blast.

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Speaker 1: So why did you choose Gilmore? Girls?

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Speaker 3: You know I will tell you the truth. So I have,

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Speaker 3: as you just said, I've been an editor. I started

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Speaker 3: my publishing career in editing, and I worked in mostly

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Speaker 3: very commercial, pop culture driven books. I was the editor

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Speaker 3: of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Charmed and Angel and

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Speaker 3: the original Sabrina the Teenage which upon a time with

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Speaker 3: Melissa Joan Hart. So I got my start in Media Italians,

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Speaker 3: and then when I began writing, I started writing in

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Speaker 3: Media Italians as well. And then when I left working

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Speaker 3: as an editor and started writing full time, I have

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Speaker 3: done a lot of original work, but I also get

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Speaker 3: a lot of solicitations for Media Italians because I'm very

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Speaker 3: obsessed with pop culture and I love reading and writing

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Speaker 3: pop culture stuff too. So a couple of years back,

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Speaker 3: I think it was The Office picture Book that sort

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Speaker 3: of led the charge of this new wave of what

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Speaker 3: seems like a trend in pop culture picture books that

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Speaker 3: seemed a little bit kind of discordant, like what a

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Speaker 3: strange idea Michael Scott Dunder Mifflin as Children, but it

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Speaker 3: was extremely successful and since then there have been a

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Speaker 4: The Friends picture books.

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Speaker 3: There are two out now and another one coming out tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: and a few Roman Holiday for the same editor who

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Speaker 3: who edited me for Gilmore Girls. And when they called

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Speaker 3: about Gilmour, they were so excited that they were able

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Speaker 4: License, and I was so thrilled that they came to me.

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Speaker 3: It was just not it was a no brainer, obviously,

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Speaker 3: Like I had watched the show in its original incarnation

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Speaker 3: live with my friends, like every Tuesday night we would

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Speaker 4: That was That was how I learned to cook. I'll

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Speaker 3: We would play off who was in charge of cooking,

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Speaker 3: and we would watch the show together on Tuesdays, and

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Speaker 3: then we would rewatch it long after the fact binging,

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Speaker 4: And so I mean, how could I say no? Who? How?

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Speaker 4: Like there was no chance in how I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, why do you think

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Speaker 1: a cultural staple for TV fans, and it seems to

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Speaker 1: still be growing globally.

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Speaker 3: I wish that I could tell you why trends take

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly why it feels like there's something

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Speaker 3: Like I have an eleven year old daughter, and everyone

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Speaker 3: And I think it's just it's so heartfelt, first of all,

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Speaker 3: episode or often within the same episode. There's always so

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Speaker 3: so much to pay attention to, and no matter how

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Speaker 3: where Rory meets Christopher's parents just the other day, and

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Speaker 4: Where she curtsies and Laura Lai whispers to her, she just.

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Speaker 3: Curtsy and I had missed that, and my daughter and

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Speaker 3: I almost fell off the couch laughing. I have seen

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Speaker 4: Of us died. So it just it begs for constant rewatching.

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Speaker 3: It hits you in all your fields and it just

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Speaker 3: challenges you. But also it's so soothing, so it really

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Speaker 3: is perfect for all ages and all occasions.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's very healing isn't it. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: rebellious way. And they sit down watching Gilmore's Up Girls

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Speaker 1: just bonded again. You know, we're close again. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: and it's true for daughters. So it's a very powerful

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Speaker 1: a wonderfully therapeutic show. It really truly is. All Right, So,

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Speaker 1: since your books were written for all ages, what topics

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Speaker 3: It's really about finding your place and finding your home

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Speaker 3: think it's really really the same themes that the show

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Speaker 3: covers in terms of Lorala finding her strength or coming

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Speaker 3: And certainly we all love watching her reconcile and make

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Speaker 3: we also I think so many people what they love

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Speaker 3: our different experiences of family and it doesn't necessarily have

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Speaker 3: nuclear family, and that what Laura and Rory built for

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Speaker 3: how we all, like you said, I think the reason

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Speaker 1: At least we wish it. Well, yeah, we're like our home. Fascinating,

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Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating. So you worked in editing for how long

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Speaker 3: I was an editor for about ten years, but it's

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Speaker 3: bet you I'm off by a few years. And I've

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Speaker 3: so there's been a lot of overlap.

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Speaker 1: So these types of picture books aimed at all audiences,

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Speaker 4: Yes? I think most It's a complicated equation.

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Speaker 3: But the celebrity titles and the pop culture titles are

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Speaker 1: So they have to have them, even though they're losing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, are you are you looking for a ghostwriter, Scott

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Speaker 4: or a co writer? Is this?

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know what they're right? Would

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm for, that's my job.

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Speaker 3: I'm a real sucker for a holiday themes. So I

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Speaker 3: love is the deep Fried Korean Thanksgiving where they go

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Speaker 3: anything anything holiday related. Whenever there's a holiday lurking, I

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Speaker 3: I love the Festival of Living Art.

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Speaker 4: I love that one.

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Speaker 3: I obviously love Why don't have a spoiler alert? When

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I thought so. Who's your favorite boyfriend for Rory?

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Speaker 4: None of the above.

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Speaker 4: You know, I would have liked more confirmation.

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Speaker 3: I would have liked like another proposal, But but I

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Speaker 4: It's too much. It's too hard to choose.

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Speaker 3: in the revival, the wave of the show handled Richard's absence.

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Speaker 4: I loved I loved when Dean built Rory a car,

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Speaker 3: So you know that era, the Jess ruins everything between

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Speaker 4: That was the opposite of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, look great talking to you. That's

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Speaker 4: Thank you so long.

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Speaker 1: But it was it was a real blast. And uh,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so pick up a copy everybody. It's a fascinating,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and let me know when we're going to collaborate.

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Speaker 3: I'm right here.

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