1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noone Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: Here we go. It is a Wednesday, and we are 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: live in August and living color. Ready to roll. A 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: lot of things happening today. 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: Joe Thomas stops by way in on Shuder Sanders, who's 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: getting the start Friday against Caroline. I'll get to that 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: in a second. Philip Rivers is stopping by the show 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: as well. 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: One of the great trash talkers of all time. 18 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Many many subscribe to the belief he is a Hall 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: of Famer. Some do, some don't, but an interesting guy. 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: He'll be joining us shame act. I don't like to 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: lecture the American sports media, but I've said this before. 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: In politics, there's a lot of conspiracy theories, and I'm 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: hoping that in our business sports we try to stay 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: away from those. But there's one that's dangling out there 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: that is patently absurd right now and here it is 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: so Shadoor Sanders, Kevin Stefanska. They've had all sorts of 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: quarterback injuries. He's going to start Friday, and he's only 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: had one pray. They'll only have one practice with the ones, 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: and he's going to start. And this is now being 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: called sabotage. And this is not just like crazy internet dweb, 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: it's like network people. It's sabotage. Cleveland doesn't want him 32 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: to succeed. Okay, let's start with this. Josh Dobbs was 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: acquired by the Minnesota Vikings and had to start and 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: did not get a single practice. Remember that game, three touchdowns, 35 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: no picks, one hundred and two passer rating, completed sixty 36 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: six percent of his throws, didn't know the playbook, teammates coordinator, coach, 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: didn't get a practice, won the game. Baker Mayfield, we're 38 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: friendemies now. Baker Mayfield came to the Rams on a Tuesday, 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: had to play Thursday against the Raiders ninety eight yard 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: fourth quarter game winning drive with a single practice in 41 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: the highly sophisticated Sean McVay offense. A timing offense, a 42 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: rhythm offense, one practice. Shnor Sanders has been with the 43 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Browns through OTA's rookie Minnie camp and training camp. He 44 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: knows the playbook, the head coach, the coordinator, and his teammates. 45 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: And because he only gets one practice with the Ones, 46 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: it's sabotage. You've got to be kidding me. Stop pandering, 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: stop protecting media. The great Ones would consider this an 48 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: amazing opportunity, and he probably does, but we got to 49 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: stop this. If I was Kevin Stefanski and they're hemorrhaging 50 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: quarterbacks because of injuries, and you don't need to see 51 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. The last thing we need to see is 52 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, I would make an argument, well, rich dad, 53 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: famous dad, Let's give him a little turbulence. 54 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: Let's give him a little challenge here. 55 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: So if Kevin Stefanski and I don't think that's the 56 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: reason they're doing it, but I could absolutely see a 57 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: coach saying famous rich. I mean, wasn't it wasn't it 58 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: Shador who called himself legendary in the draft room. 59 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: Let's see if he is. 60 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: But the idea at some level of a sabotage, maybe 61 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: Kevin wants to just see what his speed limit is. 62 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: The other part of this that's ridiculous is how many 63 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: reps the first team guys play. 64 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: In the preseason. 65 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: He's gonna end up playing with twos, threes, and fours, 66 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: which is what he's practicing with Cleveland, and there's not 67 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: If you look at Cleveland's wide receiving corps, they're not 68 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: a big gap between the ones, twos, threes, and fours. 69 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: It's one of the worst receiving corps in the league, 70 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: and they're dealing with massive injuries at quarterbacks. So there's 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: absolutely no value in screwing over Shador Sanders. 72 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: He may not be the future, but the perfect. 73 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: Scenario actually is he plays kind of well, establishes himself 74 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: as a backup. You move off Kenny Pickett, get a 75 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: draft pick, probably a fifth or sixth seventh rounder, and 76 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: then at the end of the year, because he's shown 77 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: himself to be a capable backup, you get another six 78 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: seventh round pick for Shaduur and that gives you more 79 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: picks to get Arch Manning or Drew Aller or the 80 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: Nussmeyer kid at LSU. That's all Cleveland's doing this year. 81 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: They know they're not good. They would love Shador Sanders. 82 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean, would there be a better story for Cleveland? 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: He said, perfect scenario. Well, perfect scenario is getting arch 84 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: Manning next year. But to get him you'll need extra picks. 85 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: The perfect scenario to get you some help out from 86 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: under that awful Deshaun Watson contract is Shadur is good 87 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: this year and arch Manning is great next year, you're 88 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: home free. That's what Denver did with bon Nicks. Oh, 89 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson dead cap money. Oh, Bonnicks is good 90 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: and he's mostly free. So the idea, I mean, first 91 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: of all, sabotage is Kevin Stefanski's trying to retain his job. 92 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: The owner, I don't know if you've noticed, is a 93 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: little impulsive. In Cleveland, right, there's Nick Saban rumors. There's 94 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: a connection between the Mannings and Saban and Jimmy Haslam 95 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: and Jimmy Sexton. So this is just a ridiculous story. 96 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a huge fan of brock Purty, 97 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: but brock Purty was third string, and then Trey Lance 98 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: wasn't good quickly he was second. Then Garoppolo gets hurt 99 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: in the game and he's thrust in to the starting 100 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: role mid game. He had no reps with the one 101 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: couple of ten days earlier. He's a three and he 102 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: took advantage of it. That's what the great athletes do. 103 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: They have a level of arrogance and belief that they 104 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 1: look at this as an opportunity, and I think Shadoor 105 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 1: probably does. But the idea that this is like gaining 106 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: steam multiple day trending, well, you know they don't want 107 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: to see him succeed. It's Cleveland the world's best scenario. 108 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: He looks great against Carolina. They can move Kenny Pickett, 109 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: get a six round pick, and then move Shador next 110 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: year and get another one. They need as many picks 111 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: as they can. If they win five games, have the 112 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: number two pick to give up the house to get 113 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: arcs Manning. Here's Kevin Stefanski on Shador, the situation of 114 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: the start coming up. 115 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 4: We'll play Shador at quarterback. We just signed Snoopuntley, as 116 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 4: you guys saw, we'll see get Snoop back up to speed. 117 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 4: My expectations for Shador are no different than the rest 118 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 4: of the guys. Honestly, a marykay that we expect them 119 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: to go operate when you get in these preseason games, 120 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: you try to keep it very simple so that guys 121 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 4: can play fast, all concepts that our players know and 122 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 4: can kind of not think too much and just play ball. 123 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh Dobbs, no practices. 124 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield won in by the way mcveigh's system and 125 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell's system, those are complex system, no practice, one practice, 126 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: and Baker and Josh Dobbs saw it as an unbelievable 127 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: opportunity and both crushed. Okay, So I'm just doing basically 128 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: daily updates on Caleb Williams. So whenever I see the 129 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: word sloppy, it's always like, well, it is sloppy, a 130 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: lack of focus, a lack of effort. So Ben Johnson 131 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: said he was saying Sunday after Caleb Williams performance, he said, 132 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, we're sloppier than I'd want to be at 133 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: this point. We had a couple of good practices, we 134 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: had a step back. I just not where we want 135 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: to be at this point. Okay, okay, ok fine, okay, okay, fine, 136 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: But did you hear what he said about Caleb William's 137 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: backup Tyson Pageant Man. 138 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 5: He's been he's been phenomenal. I mean, he's smart. 139 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 6: As a whip. 140 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 5: Appreciate the seriousness and intent that he brings every time 141 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 5: he walks into a room, you know, meeting room, walk through. 142 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter. 143 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 5: He's locked in, he's focused, he's preparing the right way, 144 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 5: and I couldn't be more thrilled that he's here with us. 145 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: Tyson Bajent, Okay, so just think about that. Coaches with 146 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks tend to be very careful with their words, 147 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: very intentional. He's serious, he's focused, he's locked in, smart. 148 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: As a whip. The other guy's sloppy. I'm sorry. 149 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: If a director of the film says, right now, our 150 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: lead actor, you've got to be patient. But well, I'll 151 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: tell you the supporting cast. Whoo, they are locked in 152 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: and focused. That's insinuating the lead isn't locked in. 153 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: I don't know. 154 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: It's something you don't have to be Sherlock Home to 155 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: connect these dots. 156 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: Rights. 157 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: I think we have to be honest about this. Ben 158 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: Johnson has worked with a number one pick before, Jared Goff, 159 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: and he's now worked with undrafted quarterback Tyson Bage. Okay, 160 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: so he's got you know, the variables of what he's 161 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: worked with are pretty wide. So he's seen gifted and 162 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: he's seen hardworking. And now I read something recently which 163 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: I thought was an interesting take, and sorry for not 164 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: giving it credit, but it was an interesting take. Somebody 165 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: said that Ben Johnson and Caleb was always going to 166 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: be a little rough because Ben Johnson, like a Kyle Shanahan, 167 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: has a precise, precision based offense. Jared Goff was second 168 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: in NFL completion percentage last season. Here's the play, follow 169 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: the play, fall my scheme, distribute the ball accurately. That's 170 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: Ben Jonson. That's what Kyle Shanahan loves. That's what Kyle 171 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: Shanahan loves, Okay, and Caleb's the opposite of that stylistically. 172 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: So there is an. 173 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: Argument out there that these two, what Ben has coached 174 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: so far is actually more shanahan esque, more schematic based. 175 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: Follow the play. 176 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: You can add lib a little, but by the way 177 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, he wants you to run his play and 178 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: that's not really Caleb's style, So that the two are 179 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: not an ideal fit. That does not mean they can't work, 180 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: but I do think, let's be honest, if this thing 181 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: is ugly, Ben Johnson came to Chicago with a prenup. 182 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: He's gonna win this divorce. Okay, he's the boy genius. 183 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: He multiple teams interested. Caleb's already had a bad year 184 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: if he struggled with the second coaching staff pointing at 185 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback. So it's just I don't know what it's not. 186 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: It's not that big of a deal that you know, 187 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: Caleb was a little sloppy, okay, but. 188 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: The other guy, whooh. 189 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: Hoys, he locked in kind of felt intentional, like he 190 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: was trying to say something. But again, I don't want 191 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: to be out here throwing heaters, j mack. That's not 192 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: what I do. I'm not out here to ruffle feathers. 193 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: But it it was kind of, you know, it's a 194 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: little over the top, locked in, prepared, focus, smart as 195 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: a whip. 196 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: That's a little mud. 197 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you have just thought of, like, I'm not gonna 198 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: go overboard in the backup, be like, hey, he's a hustler, 199 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a great backup for us. 200 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 6: He is. 201 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: He is doing a great job. A little intentional in 202 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: the wording. 203 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 7: I think he's sending a message pretty clearly, right, I mean, 204 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 7: that's that's the goal here. We got to get Caleb 205 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 7: up to speed. He's sloppy. It's not working. Let me 206 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 7: ask you, con I we brought up the whole Will 207 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 7: Caleb be bench this year? I'm gonna I'm gonna fast 208 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 7: track it. Will he be benched once before Halloween? So 209 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 7: we're talking first eight weeks of the season. Will then 210 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 7: be so fed up? He's like, Caleb, I'm pulling you. 211 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: I I don't know. I'm not going to bet that 212 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: You're afraid huh because you think you can land it. 213 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: No, I just think I think what I've read in 214 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: recent days, and I think it's a fair take, is 215 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: that Caleb's style and he got into some really bad habits, 216 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: as we've discussed his second year at USC, because he 217 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: didn't trust the old line. They got blown out at 218 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Lincoln Riley didn't want to get him hurt. 219 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: Lincoln didn't trust the old line. Caleb didn't trust the 220 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: old line. He got into really bad habits of hero 221 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: ball got really bad. His tape was probably better the 222 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: year before, even though he's a year younger than the 223 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: second year. When he started playing hero ball, and when 224 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: you do hero ball, your mechanic struggle and then last 225 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: year's staff wasn't capable enough to correct that stuff. I 226 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: think Ben Johnson is and is holding him accountable. But 227 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting the wording used for the 228 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: backup Tyson Bagen. I just think the wording was fairly intentional. 229 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, Colin, I will note we're now on two straight 230 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 7: seasons as you just noted of hero ball and bad 231 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 7: football from Caleb Williams. He was bad in his final 232 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 7: year at USC, we would agree, and he was not 233 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 7: good last. 234 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: Year as a rookies. Such two straight football seasons of. 235 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: Subper football, I think I think, you know, Ben Johnson 236 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: nickname should be the janitor. He's just trying to clean 237 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: stuff up in Chicago. He's trying to clean up the culture. 238 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: He's trying to clean up the offense. He's trying to 239 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: clean up the offensive line. He's trying to clean up 240 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. This this, this is a heavy lift that 241 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: that he's got a lot of stuff to clean up, 242 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and by the way, Vrabel does in 243 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: New England as well. But Vrabel's got a quarterback that 244 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: looked pretty good. They had three hundred million dollars they 245 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: spent on free agency so Vrabel's got to clean some 246 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: stuff up. But that franchise has a history with that 247 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: ownership of winning a lot of big games. But Chicago's 248 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: note in big games. They don't have the culture. They 249 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: can't get the old line right, they can't get quarterback 250 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: right now. They've got Caleb. There's some urgency issues, so 251 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: there's a list. Is not an easy Matt Lafleur taken 252 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: over for Mike McCarthy and trying to get on Aaron Rodgers' 253 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: good side. That was a pretty easy lift. That was 254 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: a pretty I mean, you gotta get on Aaron's good 255 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: So Aaron was closer to his prime. Aaron just wanted 256 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: a new guy. Generationally, they were closer in age. Chicago 257 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: is a big lift. This is not an easy job. 258 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 7: Remember, Drake May was not brought in to save the Patriots. 259 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 7: He was not a generational talent. Caleb Williams asked to 260 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 7: do both of those things. People were asking, would Caleb 261 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 7: be the greatest quarterback in franchise history. Nobody said that 262 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 7: about Nobodys saying that there's no pressure on Drake May. 263 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 7: Like I do, think Caleb is gonna start to feel 264 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 7: the weight of what's. 265 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: Going on in Chicago. 266 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: No, I do think this is and it's also Chicago. 267 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: It's a big, loud market, you know, rival with the Packers. 268 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: It's a big, big lift. I mean, nobody thought bow 269 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Knicks is going to be John Elway. Nobody thinks he's 270 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning sewn. Peyton just wants him to be as 271 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: close to Drew Brees as he can get to get 272 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: this organization winning again. So bow Nix doesn't have a 273 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: lot of pressure. Washington was a dumpster fire during Daniel 274 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: Snyder's ownership. There wasn't a huge pressure on him. Drake 275 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: May isn't viewed as Brady so and even Michael Pennix 276 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: when you drop you know, when you go to Atlanta, 277 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: how much pressure is it. You could argue it's an 278 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: SEC market as much as an NFL market. You could 279 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: argue there is there is heat on Caleb William. 280 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 7: JJ McCarthy probably has the second most pressure from that class, 281 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 7: given that they won fourteen games with Darnold last year. 282 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: Yes, that's fair. I would say that that's totally fair. 283 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 284 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: and Neon Easter nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 285 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 286 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 8: Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning 287 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 8: on my podcast Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't 288 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 8: your typical sports pod pushing the same tie narratives down 289 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 8: your throat every day. Straight Fire gives you honest opinions 290 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 8: on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help 291 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 8: you win big at the sportsbook, and all the best guests. 292 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 8: Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight Fire with 293 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 8: Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 294 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 8: you get your podcasts. 295 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, I've talked about this before, and it just 296 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: it's the way our brains usually work. The more beautiful 297 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: or aesthetically pleasing something is film, art, sports, the greater 298 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: stature we hold it in a great example is Larry 299 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: Bird had a beautiful game, the three point shots, the 300 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: clever passing. I mean, who doesn't love watching old Larry 301 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: Bird highlights? You watch old Tim Duncan highlights, Magic Bird, MJ, 302 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: Doctor J. Aesthetically pleasing. We think of them so fondly, 303 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: Tim Duncan. There's an argument was you know, it's better 304 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: in all of them. There's an argument, but it wasn't pleasing. 305 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: I always said it's about Brady. Brady retires. Brady wasn't 306 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: beautiful to watch. He was smart, he was efficient, He 307 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: got rid of the ball quickly. Dimnity retires five minutes later. 308 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Mahomes is better. It's like now, Tom, they played a 309 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: couple times, like in a super Bowl, in a big 310 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 1: AFC showdown, in the playoffs. Tom won both of them. Yeah, 311 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: in Kansas City super Bowl. Yeah, Tom won both and 312 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: has more trophies and is the greatest quarterback of all time. 313 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: But the minute Tom said, ah, Mahomes because Mahomes game. 314 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: He's throwing left handed, the side arm stuff. It's a 315 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: beautifully esthetically pleasing game. And I've always said it's hard 316 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: with athletes like that when they get old, Like with Brady, 317 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: like at forty four, he felt like he was thirty four. 318 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: He was still smart, still efficient, still got rid of 319 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: it quickly. 320 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: And but like with. 321 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, his resume is how you view him, not 322 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: his reality. 323 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 3: So there is another story out. 324 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: Of Pittsburgh, Christopher Barbery of Steelernation dot com raising red 325 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: flags on Aaron's training camp that sounds so much like 326 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: the Jets. Not enough balls down the field, too many 327 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: short passes and checkdowns, and he doesn't trust a number 328 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: two receiver. 329 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 3: Yet that's the Jets. Here's the thing. 330 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: You're not into reality with Aaron because he's so beautiful 331 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: to watch throw the ball. It's Marino and Aaron's so 332 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: the prettiest ball ever. Peyton Manning doesn't, Tom Brady doesn't. 333 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: And so you're all into the resume. You have such 334 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: fond memories and not the reality. Do you know that 335 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: since twenty twenty two, Aaron's last year in Green Bay, 336 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: he has fewer big plays downfield than Derek Carr. You 337 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: think of Derek Carr, you're a ding dunk guy, but Derek's. 338 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: Not beautiful to watch Aaron is. 339 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: And so this is that's what I've said about this team. 340 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: Aaron's forty one year old guy. He don't want to 341 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: get hit. He didn't trust the Jets on line, he 342 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: got rid of it. He doesn't trust the Steelers on line. 343 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: He shouldn't. 344 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: PFF this morning had the Steelers all line under the 345 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: Jets old line last year and going into this season, 346 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't trust them and he shouldn't. Defensive head coaches 347 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: can struggle. 348 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 3: With old lines. 349 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: Robert Sala like him, Mike Tomlin like him. Old Liones 350 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: can't figure it out. McVeigh figures it out in an offseason, 351 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: so does Andy Reid. So does Sean Payton. Sean Payton 352 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: fix the Denver old line in the four months, and 353 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: so forty one year old wealthy quarterbacks. There are certain 354 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: things that are true. They don't want to get hit, 355 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: and sixty one year old rich guys. They're things that 356 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: are true. They don't want to change their oil, they 357 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: don't want to go to the DMV, they don't want 358 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: to sit in coach on a plane. There are just 359 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: truths about as you if you are financially comfortable, Aaron, 360 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: you don't want to get hit. And DK metcalf Is 361 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: they're only proven star receiver. So your teams are gonna 362 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: roll the coverage over and say, beat us with Scotty Miller, 363 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: beat us with a run game. Trust your offensive line, 364 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: sit in the pocket, like you can see what's gonna 365 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: happen here. So, as I've said before, it's not right now. 366 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: The Steelers defense, which is good, it's not great. Let's 367 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: not kid ourselves. It's not Philadelphia last year it's not 368 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: that good. 369 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 3: It's good. 370 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: Tomlin's good at it, it's not that good is dominating 371 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: Aaron in practice. And I think a lot of this 372 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: is Aaron's rich forty one close to the end. 373 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: And he didn't want to. He doesn't trust that offensive line. 374 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: You're not gonna sit in there for an extra second, 375 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: an extra beat. 376 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: I don't blame him. Here's Tomlin on the Steelers offense. 377 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 9: I just think it's usual for this time of year. 378 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 9: Defense is usually developed a little faster than offenses to 379 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 9: get to know the cohesion that's required to be good. 380 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 9: It's just a component of it. And so Nora A. 381 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: Larm Bell's there, okay, he's right for the record, defense, 382 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: which is more about playing fast and blowing stuff up. 383 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: It's you know, they talk about this in baseball, like 384 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: pitching can be ahead of hitting or vice versa, defense 385 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: is usually ahead of offense. It's not in Cincinnati, by 386 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: the way, with Joe Burrow, according to reports. 387 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 3: But that's some of it. 388 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: But I think the bigger picture is the reality of 389 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: a forty one year old who's recently had a big 390 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: surgery with an old line he doesn't trust. I would 391 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: be the same way as Aaron Rodgers. I'm not sitting 392 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: in there for an extra second. 393 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 394 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: and Noone Easter not a Empacific. 395 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: Well, I've been thinking about this interview last couple of days. 396 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: They told me I get Philip Rivers, who was so 397 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: animated as a player, first round pick by the Giants, 398 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: traded for Eli Manning on draft day, and they both 399 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: end up having absolutely remarkable careers. He is now the 400 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: football coach and has been for several years in Alabama 401 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: Saint Michael Catholic. His son now is the quarterback and 402 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: a good one. Philip Rivers is now joining US live today. 403 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: You know, I gotta tell the audience I don't. I've 404 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: never seen your son play. But his name is Gunner Rivers, 405 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you right now, that's a franchise quarterback name. 406 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: I would draft him sight unseen on that, just on 407 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: the name. Now, you were a trash talker and you 408 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: had a different delivery. Does he have your kind of 409 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: sight arm delivery? Is he a little trash talker? 410 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 2: Does he? 411 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: Does he have some of the Philip Rivers classic traits? 412 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 6: Hey, Colin, how's it going? Yeah? No, he Uh, he definitely. Uh, 413 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 6: he definitely has some of the same traits. 414 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 9: Uh. 415 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 6: He's a little more traditional throwing the football than than 416 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 6: I than I was, but a lot of people see 417 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 6: him throw and go, dang, you throw just like your dad. 418 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 6: So he has a little bit of that, and I 419 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 6: guess it's just genetic. 420 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: Uh. 421 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 6: And then he's a little more reserved than I am. 422 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 6: He has the fire and passion for the game, but 423 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 6: I think he's got his mom's calmness, which which will 424 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 6: probably serve him well. 425 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: I think everybody, very few people had your intensity on 426 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 1: the field. 427 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 3: You know what's amazing. 428 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: You were a trash talker, but players, even opponents loved you. 429 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: Did you think your intensity you're obviously talented. Did you 430 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: think your passion and intensity was your best trait? Uh? 431 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 2: It was. 432 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 6: It was probably one of them. I think, you know, 433 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 6: I had to, I had to. I had to a 434 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 6: little bit toe the line. I probably crossed the line 435 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 6: a few times. You know, I think there's a there's 436 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 6: a there's a you know, a line that you don't 437 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 6: want to cross to where you maybe you're not helping 438 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 6: yourself or your team. So I'm sure that I didn't 439 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 6: always keep that in check. But I do think that 440 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 6: the passion and the fire and the intensity was genuine. 441 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 6: I don't think, I know it was genuine, and I 442 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 6: do think it was felt by our teammates, and in 443 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 6: some regard helped, you know, fuel kind of our personality 444 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 6: and and and our you know, resiliency and how we 445 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 6: how we went about the game. And then you mentioned 446 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 6: our opponents, and I hope you know you gained you 447 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 6: obviously gained respect of your opponent over doing it for 448 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 6: a long period of time. Uh So, maybe not early on, 449 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 6: but I think as time grew, you gained that respect 450 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 6: and they realize, man, this dude loves to play football. 451 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 6: And that's really all it was as a guy playing 452 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 6: football in the backyard. And I just never let that 453 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 6: leave me, although we were playing, you know, in front 454 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 6: of you know, a million people there on a Sunday afternoon. 455 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: You know the you told me one time, and I've 456 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: used this whenever I give a speech, I always say, 457 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: the great Philip Rivers told me he liked the process 458 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: of building the game plan as much as the game. 459 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: And can you instill that in your son or a 460 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: young quarterback or do you think that was just your 461 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: dad was a football coach. Do you think that's God 462 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: given an innate that you loved practice? Can you if 463 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: a guy, some of these quarterbacks I think liked the game, 464 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure they loved practice. Can you teach that? 465 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: Or did you feel that was just in you from 466 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: day one? 467 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 3: Well? 468 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 6: I do think that there was a some of that 469 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 6: that was just in me. But I think he got 470 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 6: to you better grow to to uh, to love it, 471 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 6: to love the process, uh, especially playing this position. You know, 472 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 6: if you want to be great, and and you know, 473 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 6: and and and maybe I would didn't get to get 474 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 6: to great, but I know I was pretty dang good 475 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 6: for a long time. And I don't think you can 476 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 6: get there if you just think you're gonna, you know, 477 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 6: show up and go out there and play for three 478 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 6: and a half hours on a Sunday afternoon. And so 479 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 6: the you know, the the process of every day and 480 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 6: the chance to be on the grass with your buddies 481 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 6: practicing football, uh, you know, and sitting in a meeting 482 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 6: room and figuring out you know, uh Spags his blitz 483 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 6: patterns and Rex Ryan's blitz patterns and all these and 484 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 6: like figuring out how we're going to get this thing 485 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 6: picked up to throw a touchdown to Antonio Gates. I mean, 486 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 6: that's that's that's what it is. That's a blast or 487 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 6: even a third down conversion versus Zimmers, you know, a 488 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 6: double mug scheme. I mean, those things were so fun 489 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 6: to work on all week, and then when he came 490 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 6: to in the game, you know, there were some some 491 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 6: of the most gratifying plays on a Sunday after day 492 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 6: were the ones a fan didn't even realize. But it 493 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 6: was the but the behind the scenes preparations, you know, 494 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 6: and it's those those Saturday morning walk through is the 495 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 6: bus rides, all those things that lead up to the game. 496 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 6: I certainly love to play. I loved the games and 497 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 6: running out of the tunnel and all those things that 498 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 6: I used to ask my mom and dad, Hey, introduce me. 499 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 6: You know, I'm coming out and we're playing soever, you know, whoever, 500 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 6: and they would introduce me and I'd come running out 501 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 6: down the hall, you know, getting introduced. So I love 502 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 6: that part, I'll be clear on that. But it was 503 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 6: the process that made that part so special and and 504 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 6: so but I just don't know how you play quarterback 505 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 6: and don't aren't all in on the process. If you're 506 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 6: trying to be you know, trying to be you know, 507 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 6: one of the best. 508 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's I have said this one of the things. 509 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: I do think you can become more accurate with coaching. 510 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: I think your footwork can improve with coaching. But there 511 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: is one thing that I just think is innate. Certain 512 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks Ma Homes you could see this instantly. Patrick can 513 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: see the field. He just sees the field. You did, 514 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: Breeze did, Brady obviously did. And then I'll watch some 515 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: young guys and I'm like, I don't know if they 516 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if they can see it like there 517 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: and I know there's a film study did you get 518 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: Did you always have that because you were a good 519 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: high school college coach the ability to and I've heard 520 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: this set about you, and I've heard this set about 521 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: Peyton and Brady that when a play was over, you 522 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: could look at the right side of the field and 523 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: yet you knew what was going on and could see 524 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: the left side of the field without staring at it. 525 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: The great quarterbacks have this innate ability. They just there's 526 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: a rhythm to the secondary. And I guess my question is, 527 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: are there can you teach that you had an innate 528 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: feel for the position. Are there some things, Philip that 529 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: aren't teachable? 530 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that. I think yes, I 531 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 6: mean I think there's certain things that are and talents 532 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 6: that so many guys have and so many different positions 533 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 6: that are God given ability, and you can, like you said, 534 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 6: I agree hundred percent. You know, we got to clean 535 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 6: some footwork, We got to cleanp some fundamentals. We can 536 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 6: clean up how you're reading this or maybe your eyes 537 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 6: are just in the wrong place. But there are some things, 538 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 6: you know, being able to have to be accurate, You 539 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 6: can work on accuracy. Some people just they can throw 540 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 6: all day long and they just aren't very accurate. And uh, 541 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 6: you know, accuracy, anticipation and to be able to see 542 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 6: it all and process it fast. Definitely you can improve it, 543 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 6: but you're probably in a window. You know, someone that 544 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 6: can't do that. You can't get them to an elite level. 545 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 6: Someone that's pretty dang good at it. Maybe you can 546 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 6: get them to really good at it, but you can't. 547 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 6: I don't think you can. There's there's certain parts of 548 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 6: playing the position that you can't make vast improvements. And 549 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 6: some guys like you mentioned Mahomes and you know, we 550 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 6: could go on and on of talking about guys there 551 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 6: are at a certain level already that they are able 552 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 6: to process and do those things coached or not coached, 553 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 6: and then now you throw in Andy Reid and some 554 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 6: of the other coaches he's had, and now the experience 555 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 6: that he's gained, and then you can take him to 556 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 6: an even even higher level. But he was already you know, 557 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 6: pretty dang eleade at it. So I do agree. I 558 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 6: do agree with you on those things. And you know, 559 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 6: it's funny because and everybody has their process. You know, 560 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 6: me and Drew were teammates. We got to connect this weekend. 561 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 6: It was great to see Drew. And we had such 562 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 6: a different uh uh process in terms of our daily routine. 563 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 6: But yet they were both they both worked and and 564 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 6: there's some similarities. But I say that not to mention 565 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 6: this about Drew, but just we all have our different routines. 566 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 6: But uh, I used to I wasn't big looking at 567 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 6: the iPad off the you know, coming off the field. 568 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 6: Now I would go look at it to see or 569 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 6: see the pictures to confirm maybe or dang, maybe they 570 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 6: fooled me. I need to go see it. But a 571 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 6: lot of times. 572 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 7: You know. 573 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 6: It was kind of a running joke. I'd say, I 574 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 6: saw it live, guys. I just I just saw it live, 575 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 6: and I need to come back over here and look 576 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 6: at it again. I know I should have gone the 577 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 6: other way, you know, so and again and that one 578 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 6: in an arrogant way. It was just I saw live, 579 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 6: you know, and so certainly I used the tools as 580 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 6: needed over there. But yeah, there is definitely some of that. 581 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 6: And I say it in humility because shoot, I threw 582 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 6: it to the other team, shoot twound times or how 583 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 6: many times. So I certainly take all right decisions. But 584 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 6: I feel like I did have that ability to see 585 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 6: it and process it quickly and throw with anticipation and 586 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 6: be accurate. 587 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: So I have this. I wrote about this in my 588 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 3: first book. 589 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: I've had this theory forever that most of the great 590 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks at one point in North Carolina State had three 591 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks in the NFL, and Cow had two or three, 592 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: and USC and. 593 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: Ohio State had none. 594 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: That there's an argument to be made that when you 595 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: play at in North Carolina State or a COW or 596 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: a Miami of Ohio or a Purdue, that's real life 597 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: in the NFL. You're getting hit. The windows are small. 598 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: These USC guys are throwing to wide, open, wide receivers. 599 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: You're not doing that at Duke, You're not doing that 600 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: at NT State. 601 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 3: That I think it was. 602 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: An advantage for you to go to NC State instead 603 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: of an Ohio State because the NFL truth is discomfort. 604 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: Nobody's that open. You don't get great protection. You're getting 605 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: hit constantly. I used to joke, I remember Matt Lioner 606 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: at USC one year he got sacked eleven times. He 607 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: may have just fallen down. Half of those he birred 608 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: got touched that when I was I'll give you an example. 609 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy always played with the lead Michigan a perfect 610 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: offensive line. 611 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: I worry about JJ. 612 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: Three years with hardball or two years with hardball, he 613 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: barely got touched. Do you think there's an advantage getting 614 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: beat up a little bit in college like Mahomes or 615 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: Josh Allen then going to the NFL. 616 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 6: I mean when you yeah, I'm sold based on that 617 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 6: minute of you saying that. I never thought of it 618 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 6: that way, and I certainly didn't ever feel like I 619 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 6: had inferior teammates those years in NC State. But there's 620 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 6: a combination of that of yeah, maybe, and even more 621 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 6: so maybe now you don't have the you know, you're 622 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 6: all the comparisons you made make perfect sense. But we 623 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 6: felt like in NC State we were going to think 624 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 6: and win them all. You know, we thought we were 625 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 6: going to win them all. So I say that with 626 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 6: all due respect to the certain teammates I had, because 627 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 6: I had many teammates. You mentioned the quarterbacks, you know 628 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 6: behind me, the great receiveratry Hole, many teammates of mine 629 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 6: that had the long careers in the NFL. But yes, 630 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 6: and I think too, you get to play, you play 631 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 6: more games. You know, I played in fifty one college 632 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 6: football games. So I definitely felt like even more equipped 633 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 6: than had you go to a place and you only 634 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 6: play two years. You played twenty games, and you played 635 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 6: from the lead, and you hand it off and you 636 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 6: throw it eighteen times. I threw a hundred. I threw 637 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 6: one hundred passes in my first two games in NC 638 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 6: State of lorm shout, you know so. But then but 639 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 6: you're right though, you get the NFL. And I was 640 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 6: in my first few first week or two of mini camp, 641 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 6: and uh and and we had some play on I 642 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 6: don't remember, and I didn't throw the ball. I got 643 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 6: to the check down, didn't throw the deep cross or 644 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 6: deep over and and Cam Cameron said why didn't you 645 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 6: throw it? And I said he's not open and he 646 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 6: said he's wide open. And I was like, dang, okay, 647 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 6: Like that's there's the windows and the separations. So those things, 648 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 6: those things are all true that you say. Now you're 649 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 6: taking Matt Leiner to JJ McCarthy. A guy that can 650 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 6: come from those you know, historic programs and they can 651 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 6: still have unbelievable NFL career would be great. So it's 652 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 6: not like you can't that way. But is there something 653 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 6: to be said for the you know, the Texas Texas 654 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 6: and the Wyomings and NC states of the world. Maybe 655 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 6: heck yeah. And you know, I definitely think there's something 656 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 6: to game experience and playing and playing. There's no similar 657 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 6: there's nothing, no substitute for playing. You have to play. 658 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Antonio Gates makes the Hall of Fame. Speaking 659 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: of college, never played a college football snap take me 660 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: to it may have been a practice. When was the 661 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: first moment You're at practice or somewhere with him and 662 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: you went, who's that guy? 663 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 3: Like you knew? How long did it take for you 664 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 3: to identify whoa People can't guard him. 665 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 1: He's too big for linebackers, he's too he's too strong 666 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: for safeties. 667 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 3: How long did it take? 668 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 6: Well, not long. I mean I was in my rookie 669 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 6: year and I had a front row seat my first 670 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 6: two years, you know, with Drew and and and and 671 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 6: and Gates that would have been his you know, he 672 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 6: was a rookie the year before me, and so I 673 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 6: got to see it for I got to see it 674 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 6: from the sideline his you know, those first two years. 675 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 6: And he was one of those guys that you know, 676 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 6: we had a Gate truel. We had a Gate troul. 677 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 6: We had we had the we had the progression for 678 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 6: the play and based off the coverage, and then we said, okay, 679 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 6: and this one is Gates truel and and it was 680 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 6: which meant, hey, if he's singled up, I don't care 681 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 6: if the leverage is good for him, he's gonna beat 682 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 6: them anyway. And it was just that over wrote that, 683 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 6: that over you know, uh, the progression was then done. 684 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 6: It was overridden by the Gates rule. But he uh, 685 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 6: he had a unique ability to He was fast and big, 686 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 6: but he had a unique ability to understand body position 687 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 6: and getting hands off and attack and attacking leverage and 688 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 6: in those things. And I I you know, he was 689 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 6: always considered this basketball guy, basketball guy, basketball guy. But 690 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 6: I think what he did was he was very humble 691 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 6: in saying, crap, I want to be a football guy, 692 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 6: and I gotta learn all this What is all these coverages? 693 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 6: And they're bracketing me? And where's the help and what? 694 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 6: And once he learned that, then it was then it 695 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 6: was forget about it and uh And that's why he 696 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 6: had that stretch, you know, seven or eight nine year stretch. 697 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 6: Obviously he played longer than that, and his whole career 698 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 6: was awesome, but he had that stretch where he was arguably, 699 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 6: you know, just uncoverable. 700 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: So finally your son, Gunner Rivers is is and you 701 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: could look him up. He's going to be one of 702 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: those top quarterbacks on all those recruiting things. So you're 703 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: gonna start hearing about him. Do you ever watch him 704 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: and think, man, he does have a little better than Dad. 705 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 3: Did at his age. Is there is there anything you're 706 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 3: just thinking? Man? 707 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: He may be he maybe have a little better fastball 708 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: than Dad, or he may he may move a little 709 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: better than dad. 710 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that happens. That happens more than you'd think. 711 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 6: I think. 712 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 3: I think too. 713 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 6: The game has just changed so much. You know, you're 714 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 6: not talked a little bit off air briefly. You know, 715 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 6: twenty five years ago, it was just different. The game 716 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 6: is just different than what it is now. There wasn't 717 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 6: seven on sevens. And you know, we didn't grow up 718 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 6: playing flag football. I mean me and Gunner and you know, 719 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 6: uh we were playing flag football, playing against teams from 720 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 6: Hawaii and Idaho and Arizona and all this when we're 721 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 6: in California when he was ten years old. You know, 722 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 6: so you're getting you're getting to practice that anticipation and 723 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 6: accurate accuracy as a ten year old. And so he's 724 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 6: just he's just thrown the football in a competitive environment 725 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 6: a whole lot more because of the day and age 726 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 6: of football that we're in. And uh, you know, it's 727 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 6: it's it's been fun. It's fun to it's fun to 728 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 6: coach him and his teammates and be at this, be 729 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 6: at the school and and coach these guys up and 730 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 6: you know, and and again, remember the mission is it's 731 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 6: more than about the game. I remind these guys it's 732 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 6: going to end for you at some point. Most of 733 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 6: our guys it's going to end when they graduate high school. 734 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 6: And hopefully, you know Gunner and he does have some 735 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 6: teammates that can advance and play college football. But I 736 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 6: remind them that even if you get to play for 737 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 6: seventeen years, it does stop and the clock will end. 738 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 6: So it's got to be more than just the x'es 739 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 6: and o's. You got to learn those life lessons that 740 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 6: you get from this great sport. And I'm hopeful that 741 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 6: I can pass some of that down to these guys 742 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 6: and help them be better men for having been in 743 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 6: the program. 744 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: Well, you're a class guy, one of my favorite players 745 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: seventeen years. I was looking at some of your stats. 746 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: Six most four hundred and twenty one career passing touchdowns, 747 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: the sixth most in NFL history. Two hundred and forty 748 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: consecutive starts in the regular season. 749 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 3: That is a lot of starts. 750 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: Was there ever did you ever have a game day 751 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: when you just felt like crud and started? Like? Did 752 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: you ever have? I mean, you obviously were not in 753 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: perfect condition. Did you ever not know an hour before 754 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: a game if you were going to start? 755 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 6: No? No, I know, but yes, many games where it 756 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 6: felt like crud would be an understatement. But thankfully, I 757 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 6: mean again, this isn't me saying, wow, look how tough 758 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 6: I was. I really was. I had a lot of 759 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 6: I was blessed with with health and the ability to 760 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 6: go out there every Sunday. I'll just leave it at that, 761 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 6: But there were certain sundays that weren't real fun physically, 762 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 6: weren't real fun during the week to get there. But again, 763 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 6: a lot of great guys up front fight like crazy 764 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 6: to keep me clean, and then you just have some 765 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 6: injuries you have and you deal with them. And there 766 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 6: was the one, the one record that was one of 767 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 6: my favorite growing up. You know, I mentioned the fifty 768 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 6: one starts in the Row at den Cy State, which 769 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 6: at a time, at that time was a record. I 770 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 6: think it's been broken and now these guys playing fourteen 771 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 6: fifteen games a year. But one of my favorite records 772 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 6: was Brett Farres Star Street and I remember watching that going, man, 773 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 6: he's played how many year, rold Man, He's going to 774 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 6: get to three hundred, And I remember just saying, again, 775 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 6: this is just as a competitor, I'm going I'm going 776 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 6: to chase Brett Far's record. I'm gonna get there. And 777 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 6: I didn't play those first two years, as I said 778 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 6: behind Drew, and I realized ultimately I couldn't get there, 779 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 6: but by golly, I was going to find a way. 780 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 6: He'd be second, you know, and suit up and be 781 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 6: out there if I could every week for our team. 782 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 6: And I do think there's a you know, the best ability, 783 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 6: as Chuck Amato told us, the best abilities dependability, and 784 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 6: that was one thing I was gonna be I was 785 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 6: gonna be out there. I was gonna be outre every week. 786 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 6: I was gonna be outre every week and give them 787 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 6: my all. And shoot, I know we fell short plenty 788 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 6: of times, but they knew that could count on seventeen 789 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 6: get them everything they had for those turning forty in 790 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 6: a row. 791 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,720 Speaker 1: Well, my favorite interview in a long time, Philip absolute pleasure. 792 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: Saint Michael Catholic High School in Alabama. He took over 793 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: a program that didn't really exist. They just won their 794 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: first playoff game last year. Congratulations to you and your 795 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 1: program and they are lucky to have you as a coach. 796 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 6: Thanks man, Thanks Golling enjoyed it.