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Speaker 1: What do we have pristal Indeed, we do lots of
Speaker 1: breaking updates of course coming out of Israel that we
Speaker 1: will get to, including a not very successful trip of
Speaker 1: our Secretary of State Tony B.
Speaker 4: Lincoln over there. We also have former President.
Speaker 1: Obama weighing in in the most possible Obama way, so
Speaker 1: we'll react to that at our own Griffin and Mac
Speaker 1: producers were on the ground at the massive protest here
Speaker 1: in DC, so we have some footage from that. They
Speaker 1: were able to interview some of the people who were
Speaker 1: attending that march to get their thoughts on what was
Speaker 1: going on in what message they want to convey. Bombshell
Speaker 1: pull by the New York Times showing Trump beating Biden
Speaker 1: in five out of six swing states. Some of the
Speaker 1: numbers under the surface too, among young people, among African Americans.
Speaker 1: I know the Biden White House is not happy about
Speaker 1: these ones. So we'll break all of that down for
Speaker 1: you as well. Also a stunning revelation that the US
Speaker 1: is starting to talk quietly to Ukraine about how we
Speaker 1: can wrap this war up, how we can get the
Speaker 1: parties to the negotiating table as it is increasingly clear
Speaker 1: that they are in a stalemate and unable to push through.
Speaker 1: It's also a story that really caught Soccer's attention about
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Speaker 4: What stage of capitalism is this side?
Speaker 2: This is the latest of the late stage. I'm genuinely
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's also just a huge political week.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we've been really focused, for understandable reasons,
Speaker 1: on what is going on in Israel and Gaza, but
Speaker 1: we also have huge elections tomorrow in Virginia, in Kentucky,
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Speaker 1: focusing on Virginia today. We'll give you a broader breakout tomorrow.
Speaker 1: There's also a Republican debate this week, which is, like
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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, all right, let's get to the very latest
Speaker 1: in terms of Israel. These are a couple of things
Speaker 1: that are just breaking very recently. We now have the
Speaker 1: US announcing that in Ohio class nuclear submarine has moved
Speaker 1: into the Middle East. This is a rare announcement. They
Speaker 1: say that a guided missile submarine has arrived, a message
Speaker 1: of deterrence clearly directed at regional adversaries as the Biden
Speaker 1: administration tries to avoid a broader conflict amid the Israel
Speaker 1: Hamas War. This is per CNN US sentcom set on
Speaker 1: social media that an Ohio class submarine was entering its
Speaker 1: area of responsibility. Sager, I want to get your quick
Speaker 1: react on this because it's both the fact that it's there,
Speaker 1: but also we don't normally like announce to everyone where
Speaker 1: these things happen to be going.
Speaker 2: No, the Ohio class submarine is one of the most
Speaker 2: secret quote unquote submarines I used to cover the Pentagon.
Speaker 3: They would never tell you where an Ohio class submarine
Speaker 3: is ever unless they want you to know.
Speaker 2: So whenever they did want you to know, it would
Speaker 2: usually be whenever they would be operating off the coast
Speaker 2: of Crimea, where they would be like we're making a
Speaker 2: show against Russia and a pre announced military drill or
Speaker 2: some sort of exercise with the Joint Power something like that.
Speaker 2: For this is extraordinary, and I remember seeing it and
Speaker 2: just be like, oh my god, but I can barely
Speaker 2: believe this is real. Just what people understand, and as
Speaker 2: you could saw on the tweet, it's the US Central
Speaker 2: Command Central comm or Scent COOM as is otherwise known
Speaker 2: is the area which is included Israel and the entire
Speaker 2: Middle East. So that's why they said on November five,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and Ohio class submarine arrived in the
Speaker 2: us NCOM Area of responsibility.
Speaker 3: So I mean, that's the biggest.
Speaker 2: Like I emoji that there is in military circles because
Speaker 2: they don't do this ever. I mean multiple other Pentagon
Speaker 2: correspondents who I saw and others were like I honestly
Speaker 2: can barely even remember the last time. And of course
Speaker 2: there's only one reason to send to telegraph this. Hamas
Speaker 2: does not care about Ohio class submarines. Hazbola does not
Speaker 2: care about Ohio class submarines. Ohio class submarines are you know,
Speaker 2: some of the most I mean, these things carry like
Speaker 2: trident missiles, are some of the most advanced military technology
Speaker 2: all on Earth, and we.
Speaker 3: Don't even have that many of them.
Speaker 2: So it is a very very clear signal to Iran
Speaker 2: about what we have in the region. On top of
Speaker 2: don't forget all all those carrier strike group assets, where
Speaker 2: the combined firepower of that is more than most nations
Speaker 2: on all of planet Earth, and we have many more
Speaker 2: carrier strike groups.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in our arsenal to that point, each one of
Speaker 1: these things can carry one hundred and fifty four Tomahawk
Speaker 1: cruise missiles, fifty percent more than US guided missile destroyer's
Speaker 1: pack and almost four times what the US Navy's newest
Speaker 1: attack subs are armed with. Each Tomahawk missile, So one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four of these, each one can carry
Speaker 1: up to a one thousand pounds high explosive wars warhead.
Speaker 1: You have a you know, an expert on this sort
Speaker 1: of thing saying they can deliver.
Speaker 4: A lot of firepower very rapidly.
Speaker 1: I think that's a bit of an understatement, and goes
Speaker 1: on to say one hundred and fifty four Tomahawks accurately
Speaker 1: deliver a lot of punch. No opponent of the US
Speaker 1: can ignore the threat. So in case you thought that,
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps we'd gotten through the possibility of a
Speaker 1: second front opening up, and we had Nosraala from Hezbolah
Speaker 1: giving a speech and just sort of you know, beating
Speaker 1: his chest, but not announcing a new opening of a war.
Speaker 1: This should make it really clear to everyone that this
Speaker 1: is a very present danger. The continued escalation of this conflict,
Speaker 1: and it also comes as Israel is announcing a large
Speaker 1: scale attack that they are carrying out.
Speaker 4: Basically as we speak, they.
Speaker 1: Once again cut all the comms coming out of Gaza.
Speaker 1: No Internet, no phone, etc. So once again very difficult
Speaker 1: for any journalists or any human being they're on the
Speaker 1: ground to get out reports of what is going on.
Speaker 1: But they are announcing a large attack. Reading for the
Speaker 1: New York Times here they say their forces had fully
Speaker 1: encircled Gaza City and we're carrying out a significant operation
Speaker 1: in the Gaza Strip late Sunday as the entire enclave
Speaker 1: was plunged into the same kind of widespread communications blackount
Speaker 1: cut it off from the world during Israel's initial ground
Speaker 1: evasion ten days ago. Quote This is from an IDF spokesperson.
Speaker 1: At this hour, we are carrying out a large attack
Speaker 1: on terrorist infrastructure, both below and above ground. So no
Speaker 1: signs of certainly stopping, no sign of easing up.
Speaker 4: They are continuing.
Speaker 1: If anything, they are escalating even further in terms of
Speaker 1: the severity of the attacks that are happening on the ground.
Speaker 1: And this comsaga we discussed over the weekend, and just
Speaker 1: to give everybody a little bit of an update. What
Speaker 1: a humiliating trip our Secretary of State Tony Blincoln had
Speaker 1: to Israel where he pressed them for a humanitarian pause.
Speaker 1: At the time that he was pressing them for this
Speaker 1: humanitarian pause, they were, apparently, although they say they were
Speaker 1: striking terrorists, but you know, they have offered no evidence
Speaker 1: of this. They were striking a convoy of ambulances at
Speaker 1: the very time that Tony Blincoln is saying, hey about,
Speaker 1: how about a humanitarian pause? They rejected him out of hand.
Speaker 1: But that was not even the end of his humiliation
Speaker 1: and our humiliation as the United States of America in
Speaker 1: the Middle East. He went on to do a press
Speaker 1: conference with his counterparts with Egypt and Jordan and continues,
Speaker 1: I mean, this humanitarian pause thing is basically like what
Speaker 1: literally no one wants, and is something that they made
Speaker 1: up to try to give liberals some sort of cover
Speaker 1: so that they can pretend like they care about the
Speaker 1: toll that is being taken on civilian life here. Well,
Speaker 1: the Jordanian and the Egyptian foreign minister also rejected that
Speaker 1: completely out of hand and said, listen, what we really
Speaker 1: need here is a ceasefire.
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to a little bit of that.
Speaker 6: But I would say what we all, as a human beings,
Speaker 6: as you said, as sim said, as we all say,
Speaker 6: as human bespeak beings, we just cannot accept to see
Speaker 6: all that killing unfolding, to see all that reduction of
Speaker 6: life to a complete loss. How is how can we
Speaker 6: justify to anybody that killing nine thousand people, killing three thousand,
Speaker 6: seven hundred children, destroying one hundred and fifty thousand house,
Speaker 6: destroying hospitats, How can we justify that this is self defense?
Speaker 1: So this is right after Tony Blinken was saying, hey,
Speaker 1: no to a ceasefire, and they rejected that out of hand,
Speaker 1: and you know, publicly sort of rebuked him with their
Speaker 1: own analysis.
Speaker 2: That's not supposed to happen, you know, supposed to have
Speaker 2: a all three of the secretaries of state of three
Speaker 2: of the powers. You know, you've got the United States
Speaker 2: of America, the superpower, You've got the regional powers.
Speaker 3: You've got Jordan, You've got Egypt.
Speaker 2: There these are some of our closest quote unquote partners
Speaker 2: all throughout the Iraq War, throughout you know, all of
Speaker 2: our relations with Israel and with Egypt. We had CC
Speaker 2: directly lecture blink into his face. Now we have the
Speaker 2: Jordanian Foreign Minister who is openly parting and rebuking honestly
Speaker 2: the Secretary of State. Now we've had multiple diplomatic cutoffs
Speaker 2: of Turkey and of Israel, of the Egyptians, of Aman,
Speaker 2: which is what drawn their ambassador from Israel, which is
Speaker 2: kicked out the Israeli ambassador. I mean, the regional diplomatic
Speaker 2: situation is deteriorating at a very very fast pace. So
Speaker 2: you have the arrival of this missile sub and yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean one of the things that we should highlight.
Speaker 2: As you said, it's like everyone's like, oh, we can
Speaker 2: take a sigh of relief after the Nasralla speech. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not been that long. And I hate
Speaker 2: to say it, but you know, think back to the
Speaker 2: First World War. It took a month before the guns
Speaker 2: of August start rolling. It's we're near that month thing.
Speaker 2: Even then, you know, you look at other things. You
Speaker 2: had a conflict, a low grade conflict that goes on
Speaker 2: and on and on, and then some one thing happens,
Speaker 2: it explodes onto the world stage. So just because you know,
Speaker 2: in the recency bias, we can think that things haven't
Speaker 2: gotten worse. All of the things the chess pieces are
Speaker 2: in place for a catastrophic situation to unfold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: And you know, to go in a little more on
Speaker 1: this whole humanitarian pause thing, which basically everybody is seeing through.
Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. So the report from
Speaker 1: Axios about what Tony Blinkeln was saying to the Israelis
Speaker 1: to try to persuade them to do this humanitarian pause thing,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't, Hey, we're really concerned about the civilians.
Speaker 4: We really need to get food and water in.
Speaker 1: We really need to be able to evacuate people for
Speaker 1: medical care given that so many of the hospitals are
Speaker 1: no longer functioning. It was, quote, we don't want to
Speaker 1: stop you, but help us, help you get more time.
Speaker 1: And people who have been you know, pushing for a ceasefire,
Speaker 1: and I would put the Egyptian and the Jordanian foreign
Speaker 1: ministers in this camp. I would put myself in this
Speaker 1: camp have been saying, you know, the whole idea of
Speaker 1: a humanitarian pause isn't really about the civilians. It's about
Speaker 1: providing cover for liberals so they can keep their you know,
Speaker 1: virtue about them and pretend like they really care about
Speaker 1: what's happening to the children and the women and the
Speaker 1: civilians on the ground and the utter devastation, the complete siege,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And it's also, as Blink and
Speaker 1: lays out here, to actually give Israel more time, because
Speaker 1: as long as the overwhelming, indiscriminate bombing of hospitals and
Speaker 1: schools and refugee camps, et cetera continues, you're going to
Speaker 1: have increasing pressure here and around the world to get
Speaker 1: them to stop. So it's not that Blincoln and Biden
Speaker 1: want Israel to stop bombing, it's that they want to
Speaker 1: give them a little pr cover to extend this thing,
Speaker 1: which is exactly why Egypt and Jordan were so you know,
Speaker 1: willing and so direct to basically shoot this idea down.
Speaker 1: And the Israelis, on the other hand, they see through
Speaker 1: it because they're like, you've already told us there's no
Speaker 1: red lines, You've already told us that our aid isn't
Speaker 1: going to be conditional. You've already told us you're going
Speaker 1: to stand with us no matter what, So piss off.
Speaker 1: Why should we listen to you.
Speaker 2: The only way I think I would be like on
Speaker 2: board with a quote unquote humanitarian pause. Is if the
Speaker 2: Israelis were to take actual look at their military strategy
Speaker 2: and be like, all right, like what are we actually
Speaker 2: accomplishing here, because what we've accomplished so far is I mean,
Speaker 2: basically you can go back and roll the tape where
Speaker 2: really what we said was going to happen from day one,
Speaker 2: You're going.
Speaker 3: To kill a ton of civilians.
Speaker 2: In terms of your actual military degradation of Hamas, there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of evidence yet so far, especially because
Speaker 2: the Israeli military is not I mean whenever. For example,
Speaker 2: when the US military would conduct operations against Isis, every
Speaker 2: single operation, and I was in there, I was in
Speaker 2: the briefing room Operation Inherent Resolve, They're like, here's what
Speaker 2: we accomplished today. We took out you know, fifty four
Speaker 2: different Isis strongholds. We bomb their oil fields, we took
Speaker 2: out you know, X miles of what they had built,
Speaker 2: and this area of Mosl was retaken. Now, the Israelis
Speaker 2: have not been doing this actually at all. It really
Speaker 2: is shocking to now think of the Pentagon as being transparent,
Speaker 2: which I did not think at the time. But here
Speaker 2: we are the Israelis have not released the number of
Speaker 2: miles that have been destroyed by AMAS. They haven't actually
Speaker 2: confirmed all that many Hamas targets. Many of their operations
Speaker 2: are conducted in complete secret. Even in terms of the
Speaker 2: briefings that they're providing to foreign military or their own military,
Speaker 2: they're not telling us exactly what they're doing. Everyone's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know in war, that's not what you do well
Speaker 2: in modern warfare. Again, I'm just telling you as a
Speaker 2: person who covered the United State's military, that's how they operated.
Speaker 2: They were very clear after every single operation, really, here's
Speaker 2: what we're doing. It was within this context here we're
Speaker 2: trying to retake this the grand strategies to destroy isis.
Speaker 3: This is how contributes to the overall goal.
Speaker 2: And we would have, you know, lieutenant colonel or whatever,
Speaker 2: who was a spokesperson who would come on over the
Speaker 2: air in a zoom call from Iraq to brief us
Speaker 2: all in the American press. None of that currently exists
Speaker 2: right now. So even on their transparency, they're not really
Speaker 2: giving us insight into their operations. And I think that
Speaker 2: is where I really think need to have a hell
Speaker 2: of a lot of skepticism, because then I did you
Speaker 2: know as well, how many times did even in their
Speaker 2: so called transparency to the Pentagon, tell us like, we
Speaker 2: are one hundred percent certain we killed this member of ISIS,
Speaker 2: and we're like, okay, where's the proof. And they're like, well,
Speaker 2: here's the proof, and here's how we got there and
Speaker 2: all of that, and what we find out in Afghanistan, Oh,
Speaker 2: turns out he's a water salesman.
Speaker 3: He killed like five of his kids. And that happens
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: And that was with great intelligence, with great you know,
Speaker 2: supposedly on the ground presence, ir etc. So the Israelis,
Speaker 2: I mean, they have to be and should be in
Speaker 2: the modern military, which is how you conduct operations on war.
Speaker 2: They should be conducting themselves or trying to achieve that
Speaker 2: same standard. But they're basically rejecting it. They're like, no,
Speaker 2: we're not going to fight that way at all. So anyway,
Speaker 2: if there was a humanitarian posit that could restore any
Speaker 2: semblance of like how modern military fights, what's the actual
Speaker 2: military objective here? They say it's to destroy hamas. On
Speaker 2: the other hand, many of their actions read as collective punishment.
Speaker 2: Nobody's really saying anything out loud, so it's like, well,
Speaker 2: what are we doing here and what are we at
Speaker 2: a lot of things out loud, right, but what are
Speaker 2: we moving towards? Like what is the end state of this?
Speaker 2: Do we bomb until we stop bombing? Because now what
Speaker 2: Now We're in a worse situation, arguably.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and less safe for everyone, less safe, like you know,
Speaker 1: for the long term prospects of Israeli security. There is
Speaker 1: no doubt they are making their own people less safe
Speaker 1: with what they are doing right now. And Sagrino, to
Speaker 1: your point, I think we should just stop pretending that
Speaker 1: the goal here is actually to dismantle Hamas, because the
Speaker 1: military approach is wildly inconsistent with that supposed goal. And
Speaker 1: this is something that, to her credit and very courageously
Speaker 1: I think ilhan Omar has been pointing out. She said recently,
Speaker 1: US policies essentially that nott Yahu has no achievable goals
Speaker 1: in Gaza and a ground invasion risk regional war including
Speaker 1: potential US troops. And also we should give him fourteen
Speaker 1: billion dollars in weapons with no restrictions and say there
Speaker 1: are no red lines as he bombs refugee camps.
Speaker 4: See how this doesn't add up?
Speaker 1: I think if we're being honest about what the actual
Speaker 1: military objectives are is retribution and collective punishment. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just you know, an analysis of what they're doing
Speaker 1: and what they've been doing from the jump, when the
Speaker 1: very first thing they announced was a complete siege of
Speaker 1: every single civilian, cutting off water and food and fuel
Speaker 1: to the entire population, and the way the bombing campaign
Speaker 1: has been conducted. So it's retribution, and it's also after
Speaker 1: their own humiliation and failures on October seventh, to try
Speaker 1: to re establish that they're the baddest mfors on the block.
Speaker 4: That's the other goal.
Speaker 1: And I would put add a third goal to that,
Speaker 1: which is net Yahoo trying to hold on for dear
Speaker 1: life to his political position as Prime Minister when an
Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of Israelis want him gone either now, a
Speaker 1: near majority want have gone right now, or some close
Speaker 1: to eighty percent want him gone now or when the
Speaker 1: war is over. So he is trying to buy time
Speaker 1: and trying to satisfy the desire for revenge that exists
Speaker 1: among the public so that he can hope to survive
Speaker 1: another political day. And listen, the man is a survivor,
Speaker 1: political survivor, let me tell you that, let's go and
Speaker 1: put this next piece up on the screen about what
Speaker 1: could come after this, you know what's going on in
Speaker 1: the ground in Gaza. So Blincoln is telling the head
Speaker 1: of the PA, Mahmurabas, that the Palestinian authority could play
Speaker 1: a central role in Gaza. Now, it's hard to see
Speaker 1: how that would really work, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: because the PA doesn't really have legitimacy in the West Bank,
Speaker 1: where they are rightly seen as basically like weak collaborators
Speaker 1: who have done very little to protect Palestinians who live
Speaker 1: in the West Bank from escalating settler and idea violence there.
Speaker 1: But in terms of what a Bass is saying, he
Speaker 1: says the PA would only assume power in Gaza, which
Speaker 1: MAS has controlled since two thousand and seven, is part
Speaker 1: of a quote comprehensive political solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict,
Speaker 1: according to a Palestinian news agency. So this is what
Speaker 1: the US is floating, is the PA to play some
Speaker 1: sort of a central role. But again it's hard to
Speaker 1: see how that is any sort of a real solution.
Speaker 1: And also, by the way, remember we reported on the
Speaker 1: fact that this official government Ministry put on a report
Speaker 1: of like, okay, here are some of the options. They
Speaker 1: rated this as the least desirable. Not because of the
Speaker 1: PA's weakness, which by the way, is something that the
Speaker 1: Israeli government has tried to ensure that PA is very weak,
Speaker 1: but because they do not want unity between Gaza and
Speaker 1: the West Bank, because that could potentially further the aspirations
Speaker 1: of Palestinian statehood, and so they want to keep these
Speaker 1: two territories divided. They want to make sure that they
Speaker 1: have this talking point of like, ah, we got no
Speaker 1: one to negotiate with, so sure, we love peace, but
Speaker 1: what can we do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm getting serious augment Talabi vibes off
Speaker 2: of Mahmuda bas for people don't know, you can google it.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into all the history right now.
Speaker 2: It's basically about who the US tried to install. Us
Speaker 2: these tried to proct president of Iraq and it didn't
Speaker 2: work out so well, I guess that's the short of
Speaker 2: answer for it.
Speaker 5: All.
Speaker 2: The point is just that he is increasingly viewed as
Speaker 2: a very feckless figure, and of course he himself is
Speaker 2: actually quite old, has been in power now for decades,
Speaker 2: and somebody who is viewed as unable to stand up
Speaker 2: for Palestinians against the Israelis Hamas already.
Speaker 3: Has a very very high approval rating.
Speaker 2: So again, let's assume that you get to a scenario
Speaker 2: where you do destroy Hamas inside of Gaza. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be a very difficult operations get to take many months,
Speaker 2: if not years, in order to accomplish that. Now you
Speaker 2: have a foreign occupying force and you're going to try
Speaker 2: and install a government. It's like if you're the government
Speaker 2: who's being installed by the military occupying force. Ask America
Speaker 2: how that works out every time that we have tried
Speaker 2: it to do that. That's why these things are very,
Speaker 2: very difficult. So look, I don't know. At the same time,
Speaker 2: we just want to flag this as usual. Americans are
Speaker 2: smarter than most people who are in charge. Let's put
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. Over eighty percent of
Speaker 2: Americans right now are concerned that the US could be
Speaker 2: pulled into the Israel and Hamas war. Eighty four percent
Speaker 2: we're either very or somewhat concerned the US could be
Speaker 2: drawn into the conflict. The response is actually very by
Speaker 2: political party, Republicans showing a higher concern than Democrats. Fifty
Speaker 2: two percent of Republicans said they were very concerned, compared
Speaker 2: to thirty percent of Democrats, probably because of.
Speaker 3: Trust in Biden.
Speaker 2: But the quote is just American voters who are watching
Speaker 2: the cauldron in the Middle East reaching a furious boiling point,
Speaker 2: are fearful of the war so far confined to Israel
Speaker 2: and Gaza, will metastasize to include US troops, and considering
Speaker 2: what we started with about an Ohio class submarine, about
Speaker 2: these carry strike groups, about these marine expeditionary forces, about
Speaker 2: our guys who are taking hits in Iraq and Syria.
Speaker 2: You know, I was just looking at the photos Crystal
Speaker 2: Secretary Blincoln landed in Baghdad to go in to meet
Speaker 2: with the Iraqi Prime minister. Even now, you know, as
Speaker 2: my friend Dan Caldwell so eloquently puts it, after forty
Speaker 2: four hundred lives, thirty thousand wounded, two trillion in Iraq,
Speaker 2: America's chief diplomat still has to show up twenty years
Speaker 2: later in Baghdad at night, in secret, wearing body armor
Speaker 2: to go in to meet the Iraqi president.
Speaker 3: That's where we're at right now.
Speaker 2: So just to show you again our track record of
Speaker 2: doing this so well, twenty years later, you know, we've
Speaker 2: got a government in Iraq, which you know, we don't
Speaker 2: go into this all that often, but it is a
Speaker 2: nightmare what we have done to that country, how they
Speaker 2: have ended up.
Speaker 3: They're basically an Iranian proxy state.
Speaker 2: And now our chief diplomat landing in the dead of
Speaker 2: night in a secret trip, wearing the fake body armor
Speaker 2: over a suit like Jared Kushner, like a j cru
Speaker 2: model and all that, and having to take again, having
Speaker 2: to take a helicopter to the having to take a
Speaker 2: helicopter to go into meet with the Iraqi prime minister.
Speaker 3: It's like things haven't changed. George W.
Speaker 2: Bush landed on the ground there some twenty years ago
Speaker 2: for his first presidential visit, when we were in the
Speaker 2: middle of an active war. That tells you really everything
Speaker 2: that you need to know about our own track record here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the last thing I'll say before we move
Speaker 1: on to what increasingly is clear what the Israelis actually
Speaker 1: want to do in Gaza after this offensive is complete.
Speaker 4: Whenever that is the.
Speaker 1: Case, you know, the White House realizes that this is
Speaker 1: you know, this is a mounting political disaster for them,
Speaker 1: and you've already got two thirds of the public that
Speaker 1: wants to cease fire. You've already got eighty percent of
Speaker 1: Democrats that want to cease fire. We're going to cover
Speaker 1: some poll numbers that are terrible and are only getting
Speaker 1: worse because you have young people, Arab Americans and Muslim
Speaker 1: Americans who are disgusted with the Biden ministration's approach. And
Speaker 1: the longer that this goes on, the more the horror
Speaker 1: of October seventh fades, and the images that endure are
Speaker 1: of these Palestinian babies and women and refugee camps and
Speaker 1: hospitals and ambulances just being bombed with our complete support,
Speaker 1: with our bombs. So they're trying to create some sort
Speaker 1: of narrative of like, oh, we really tried, we really
Speaker 1: tried to rate them in and you know it was
Speaker 1: we did our.
Speaker 4: Best, etcetera, etcetera. So they talk.
Speaker 1: There's this sort of bizarre article in the Washington Post
Speaker 1: where administration officials are leaking to them just you know,
Speaker 1: how how they can't get anything done and they're really
Speaker 1: working behind the scenes, but you know they just Israeli's
Speaker 1: just won't listen to them, and we just really don't
Speaker 1: have any leverage and it's once again this complete feigned
Speaker 1: impotence because obviously, I mean the amount of money that
Speaker 1: we give all of these countries, but Israel chiefly, but
Speaker 1: you know, since it's off the table, to condition that,
Speaker 1: to touch that, to even say a word about, you know,
Speaker 1: even discriminating about what kind of weapons we're going to send,
Speaker 1: they put that completely off the table. And then they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. It's like, yeah, because you
Speaker 1: took all of your leverage off the table from the
Speaker 1: jump and advertise it to them from the jump, We're
Speaker 1: not going to draw any red lines, We're not going
Speaker 1: to condition support.
Speaker 4: We're with you no matter what you want to do.
Speaker 1: Even as you know, you've got ministers as we're about
Speaker 1: to report on talking about Israeli ministers talking about hey,
Speaker 1: maybe we should now Gaza and plans for ethnic cleansing
Speaker 1: being intentionally leaked to.
Speaker 4: The public, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we've gotten no leverage in the situation because
Speaker 1: you decided you would take all of the leverage off
Speaker 1: the table. And it just annoys me soberg to no end.
Speaker 1: This like feigned impotence, which is the only thing. This
Speaker 1: is the thing that they do in domestic politics, oh elementarian,
Speaker 1: the Republicans.
Speaker 4: It's just so hard.
Speaker 1: We just can't do what we you know, I know
Speaker 1: we would love to do these great things for you.
Speaker 1: We just can't do it. And it's the same frickin
Speaker 1: thing here. It was the same thing with Ukraine too,
Speaker 1: which we're about to get to and they're changing their
Speaker 1: tune there as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I was gonna say. It just reminds me
Speaker 3: of Ukraine.
Speaker 2: It's like when you set us a thing where you're like, no,
Speaker 2: this partner, this person is our ally no matter what,
Speaker 2: we're blood brothers, the whole, my whole thing. I've always
Speaker 2: thought this, you should only bestow that status on maybe
Speaker 2: one or two countries. To me, it's like the UK
Speaker 2: in Australia, that's basically it. Everybody else in my in
Speaker 2: my opinion, can eat it. And it's like we've got
Speaker 2: to be very very transactional the issue for all of
Speaker 2: these like Israel, Ukraine. You know, it's everything we refuse
Speaker 2: to condition our aid. We just say you can do
Speaker 2: whatever you want, and then where it's like a given
Speaker 2: that we're just going to get dragged in next to
Speaker 2: you now listen, you can be an ally. That's that's
Speaker 2: the thing. It's fine then, but that means that there
Speaker 2: is a trans actual relationship. I can guarantee you. In
Speaker 2: Israel they have no qualms calling out the United States
Speaker 2: whenever they feel like they're not getting taken care of.
Speaker 2: They have absolutely they spy on us, They steal secrets.
Speaker 2: You know, the open, dirty little secret in Washington is
Speaker 2: that the biggest penetrator of the US government from spies
Speaker 2: is Mosad. And then go look at people like Netanyahu
Speaker 2: who went to go visit in Israeli spy in prison
Speaker 2: and beg for his release and then welcomed him with
Speaker 2: open arms after an openly turned trader to the US government.
Speaker 2: It's like they're happily willing to look at this as
Speaker 2: transactional for some reason, We're so stupid that we're not.
Speaker 2: And this is not way bigger than an Israel problem.
Speaker 2: This is a Ukraine problem, this's a Saudi problem. There's
Speaker 2: so many different countries that come on, even an Egyptian
Speaker 2: problem or Jordanian problems, Like we can't get these people
Speaker 2: to do anything that we want because they think we're fools.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, the humiliation just goes on and on.
Speaker 2: But this is a bipartisan story unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get to what increasingly is clear what
Speaker 1: Israel actually wants to do with regards to Gaza and
Speaker 1: the Palestinians who live in Gaza.
Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: They have been quietly pushing for Egypt to admit large
Speaker 1: numbers of Gazans. Let me go ahead and read a
Speaker 1: little bit from this report. They say they've been trying
Speaker 1: to build international support in recent weeks for the transfer
Speaker 1: of several hundred thousand civilians from Gaza to Egypt for
Speaker 1: the duration of its war in the territory. Israeli leaders
Speaker 1: and diplomats have privately proposed the idea to several foreign governments,
Speaker 1: framing it as a humanitarian initiative that would allow civilians
Speaker 1: to temporarily escape the perils of Gaza for refugee camps
Speaker 1: in the Sinai Desert just across the border neighboring Egypt.
Speaker 1: The suggestion was dismissed by most of Israel's interlocutors, who
Speaker 1: include the US and Britain, because of the rice that
Speaker 1: such a mass displacement could become permanent. Some Israeli hardliners
Speaker 1: advocate keeping control of Gaza and permanently expelling its Palestinian residents.
Speaker 4: A Lacud lawmaker has.
Speaker 1: Called for another Nakba that would quote overshadow the original
Speaker 1: mass displacement in nineteen forty eight. Here's the quote from
Speaker 1: that Likud lawmaker. Right now, one goal cold knock but
Speaker 1: nap but in Gaza, and knock but to anyone who
Speaker 1: dares to join. Another far right government minister said on
Speaker 1: Wednesday that Gazan land should be given to former Israeli
Speaker 1: soldiers who fought in Gaza, or to former Israeli settlers
Speaker 1: who lived in the enclave before Israel withdrew in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five. Video is also emerged of an Israeli
Speaker 1: military officer calling for Israel to reoccupy Gaza, as well
Speaker 1: as a separate video that shows a pop singer calling
Speaker 1: for that reoccupation, prompting the approval of an audience of soldiers.
Speaker 1: So they have been pushing, working behind the scenes to
Speaker 1: try to convince Egypt. Hey just take a few hundred
Speaker 1: thousand of these Gaza residents just for the duration of
Speaker 1: the war. Pinky promise, We're totally going to take them back. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: their own government and affiliated think tanks are laying out
Speaker 1: proposals for the permanent removal of Palestinians from Gaza, which
Speaker 1: would be an ethnic cleansing, very clear textbook by the definition.
Speaker 1: And so it's very hard for anyone to believe that
Speaker 1: this evacuation would truly truly be temporary. Certainly, the Palestinians
Speaker 1: don't believe it, the Egyptians don't believe it, the Jordanians
Speaker 1: don't believe it. Even we don't even our dumbasses don't
Speaker 1: believe it. So in terms of the United States government
Speaker 1: and Tony Blincoln, so this is you know, becoming pretty
Speaker 1: clear that this is what they're pushing for behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: And Saber, you know, in that report that came out,
Speaker 1: which there was some suggestion that it was sort of
Speaker 1: intentionally leaked as like a trial balloon, they even talked
Speaker 1: about how they would overcome this type of initial opposition,
Speaker 1: and it's like, basically, you create facts on the ground
Speaker 1: where you have such a humanitarian catastrophe which is already unfolding.
Speaker 1: You know, you have now residents of Gaza who are
Speaker 1: living on two pieces of bread coming basically from the
Speaker 1: un A day water is extremely scarce, no fuel. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys know the horror that is unfolding there. So
Speaker 1: you create such a humanitarian catastrophe that it creates all
Speaker 1: this pressure on Egypt in particular to take people in.
Speaker 1: You already see them taking in some to a field hostile,
Speaker 1: very small numbers at this point, and you make it
Speaker 1: so that there really is no feasible alternative, like what
Speaker 1: is the feasible alternative? So I think that's the direction
Speaker 1: that they continue to push on, both in terms of
Speaker 1: their private negotiations and in terms of these public trial balloons,
Speaker 1: and you know, in terms of very clear statements from
Speaker 1: these aren't fringed people who are saying openly, hey, let's
Speaker 1: call for the Nakpa. These are members of the governing party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where I think that the US power
Speaker 2: actually could be the most exerted where they're going to
Speaker 2: Israel and they're like this is a red line. They're like,
Speaker 2: if there's any discussion of this in the official government,
Speaker 2: you're nuking it.
Speaker 3: It's not happening.
Speaker 2: That's for conditional aid, is same thing for Egypt, or
Speaker 2: like we're going to set up a safe zone, not
Speaker 2: a single person has to be worrying about ethnic cleansing.
Speaker 3: Everybody's going to be able to return.
Speaker 2: We can have some sort of military operation, We can
Speaker 2: negotiate the battlespace, the military objective and all of that,
Speaker 2: and that is how we keep a cap on a
Speaker 2: major regional war.
Speaker 3: Instead, we're not doing any of that.
Speaker 2: And I would point actually to that shocking comment that
Speaker 2: came from Egypt five days ago, which is starting to
Speaker 2: make a hell of a lot more sense.
Speaker 3: When he said, quote quote, we.
Speaker 2: Are ready to sacrifice millions of lives to ensure that
Speaker 2: no one encroaches upon our territory.
Speaker 3: That was the Prime Minister of Egypt, and it.
Speaker 2: Was said with look, Caesi didn't say it, but he
Speaker 2: definitely was ordered to say it, or it was conditioned
Speaker 2: and it was greenlit by the Egyptian government. And at
Speaker 2: the time there was some eyebrows then started, you know,
Speaker 2: we started seeing inklings about Israeli plans and all that.
Speaker 2: But now it seems that this was you know, actually
Speaker 2: asked and pushed for behind the scenes to the Egyptians
Speaker 2: and explains initially also why ceci so rejected Anthony Blinkoln
Speaker 2: in that initial October eighth and October ninth visit when
Speaker 2: Blincoln was like, hey, maybe we opened up.
Speaker 3: The sun and Caesar was like, absolutely not. Hell no,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: At the time, even people can probably go look, I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know why they're not doing it.
Speaker 2: Now it all starts to make a lot more sense.
Speaker 2: And it's because also again we can allay these fears,
Speaker 2: we could.
Speaker 3: Tell these railies. We're like, this is not gonna happen, period,
Speaker 3: end the story.
Speaker 2: Never, we will never live with this as a red
Speaker 2: line for US policy. If it's even openly discussed, an
Speaker 2: AID and all that is not going to happen. But
Speaker 2: you know, in this environment, which is basically a vacuum
Speaker 2: of these Raelies get to do basically what they want,
Speaker 2: and then the Egyptians even I don't even know if
Speaker 2: we have proper relations at this point, you know, can
Speaker 2: the President Biden can even get CC on the phone.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're not going to believe a word that we say.
Speaker 2: So the trust deficit is actually making things way more
Speaker 2: unstable in the region. And that's again the prosper for
Speaker 2: regional war increases on behalf of that.
Speaker 1: I also just have to comment on I guess what
Speaker 1: you would call a historical irony of the Jewish Israeli
Speaker 1: government trying to push a stateless people to wander in
Speaker 1: the Sinai Egyptian desert indefinitely. Like I said, I think
Speaker 1: you might call that a historic irony to speak to
Speaker 1: some more of the just, you know, utterly extreme genocidal
Speaker 1: like open like advocation for advocation, that's not a word anyway,
Speaker 1: advocacy for ethnic cleansing coming out of the Israeli government.
Speaker 4: Our great allies who we have.
Speaker 1: Drawn zero red lines for, made it really clear we're
Speaker 1: not drawing any red lines. Go ahead and put this
Speaker 1: up on the screen. This was from Bezalielsmotrich, who is
Speaker 1: the Israeli Finance minister, so he's a cabinet minister. He
Speaker 1: said on Israeli TV quote, I don't see a big
Speaker 1: difference between Hamas and the Palestinian authority. Palestini authority of
Speaker 1: course in charge of the West Bank. The Arabs are
Speaker 1: the same Arabs. Okay, So this puts into context what
Speaker 1: has been going on in the West Bank that we
Speaker 1: broke down for you last week in Counterpoints. Off also
Speaker 1: covered extensively massive escalation in violence in the West Bank.
Speaker 1: Jewish settlers aided in a majority of the cases directly
Speaker 1: by the IDF pushing Palestinians off of their land, killing
Speaker 1: over one hundred just in the time period post October seventh.
Speaker 1: So while this war has been while this war has
Speaker 1: been raged being waged on Gaza, you have over one
Speaker 1: hundred Palestinians in the West Bank being murdered there as well.
Speaker 1: So he's laying out the groundwork here. For hey, Hamas
Speaker 1: is not just Gaza. We see the West Bank. We
Speaker 1: see the people who run the West Bank as being
Speaker 1: basically the same as Hamas the quote Arabs are the
Speaker 1: same Arabs. So it gives you insight into the thinking
Speaker 1: of some of the coalition partners and one particular cabinet
Speaker 1: minister in the net Yahoo government. And so this is
Speaker 1: what we mean when we say this is the most
Speaker 1: extreme government that Israel has ever had in their history.
Speaker 4: And just to add one war.
Speaker 1: That I referred to before, go and put this up
Speaker 1: on the screen, another far right minister saying that quote
Speaker 1: nuking Gaza is an option population should quote go to
Speaker 1: Ireland or the deserts. This was in an interview local
Speaker 1: interview where this minister was he's the Heritage minister was
Speaker 1: suggesting that some kind of nuclear bomb could be dropped
Speaker 1: on Gaza. He was asked the question, you know whether
Speaker 1: this would be a good idea, and he said, quote,
Speaker 1: that's one way. He also voiced his objection during the
Speaker 1: interview to allow any humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying quote,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't hand the Nazis humanitarian aid and charging that
Speaker 1: there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.
Speaker 4: This is exactly the type of.
Speaker 1: Dehumanizing rhetoric that throughout history has been used to justify genocide,
Speaker 1: because if there are no uninvolved citizens, there are no
Speaker 1: innocent civilians, then hey, no problem to just wipe them
Speaker 1: all off the map. He goes even further, He backs
Speaker 1: retaking the strip's territory and restoring the settlements there. Asked
Speaker 1: about the fate of the Palestinian population, he says, quote,
Speaker 1: they can go to Ireland or deserts. Monsters in Gaza
Speaker 1: should find a solution by themselves. He says the Northern
Speaker 1: Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving
Speaker 1: a Palestinian or Hamas flag should not continue living on.
Speaker 4: The face of the earth. This is a.
Speaker 1: Government minister who is saying these things and who again
Speaker 1: we have said, no red lines, no matter what, do
Speaker 1: what you want to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's again, I just can't come.
Speaker 2: I can't help but come back to the way that
Speaker 2: we are apparently just not even we're not talking to
Speaker 2: Netayahu about this, or they are not listening, or a
Speaker 2: little bit of both. In every respect, I mean, none
Speaker 2: of this is helpful in any way.
Speaker 3: It's also funny. I think we were talking about this Crystal.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons he got in trouble, this minister
Speaker 2: is for admitting that Israel has nuclear weapons, right, which
Speaker 2: they're not supposed to admit, even though they obviously do.
Speaker 2: You should also go look, I was talking a little
Speaker 2: bit about spying and stealing technology from the US. You
Speaker 2: should go look into the history of how they acquire
Speaker 2: those US weapons. Are those nuclear weapons very very interesting
Speaker 2: for behavior for an ally, But that's something that we
Speaker 2: could put aside. The point I think just for all
Speaker 2: of this is that the open calls within Israel are
Speaker 2: bolstering the worst claims of Hamas and of Palestinians, giving
Speaker 2: them the power to enforce their ideology and their governance.
Speaker 2: We're protecting you against these It's also inflaming the tensions
Speaker 2: of our allied Arab and or Turkish countries in the region,
Speaker 2: which are saying openly look at what they are saying.
Speaker 3: We cannot abide by this.
Speaker 2: So, with all that trust deficit, the US, by basically
Speaker 2: being caught in the middle here is making it so
Speaker 2: that we have very little authority to exert over the conflict,
Speaker 2: which just means more uncertainty and more chaos and more
Speaker 2: prospect for Yeah.
Speaker 1: Indeed, we've got former President Obama weigh in on.
Speaker 2: This in words that nobody asked for. President Barack Obama,
Speaker 2: former President decided to weigh in in the most Obama
Speaker 2: fashion ever on Israel pales sign Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7: If there's any chance of us being able to act constructively,
Speaker 7: to do something, it will require an admission of complexity
Speaker 7: and maintaining what on the surface may seem contradictory ideas
Speaker 7: that what Hamas did was horrific and there's no justification
Speaker 7: for it. And what is also true is that the
Speaker 7: occupation and what's happening to Palestinians is unbearable. And what
Speaker 7: is also true is that there is a history of
Speaker 7: the Jewish people that may be dismissed unless your grandparents
Speaker 7: or your great grandparents, or your uncle or your aunt
Speaker 7: tell you stories about the madness of anti Semitism. And
Speaker 7: what is true is that there are people right now
Speaker 7: who are dying who have nothing to do with what
Speaker 7: Hamas did. And what is true right, I mean, we
Speaker 7: can go on for a while. And the problem with
Speaker 7: the social media and trying to TikTok activism and trying
Speaker 7: to debate this on that is you can't speak the truth.
Speaker 7: You can pretend to speak the truth. You can speak
Speaker 7: one side of the truth, and in some cases you
Speaker 7: can try to maintain your moral innocence, but that won't
Speaker 7: solve the problem. And so if you want to solve
Speaker 7: the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth,
Speaker 7: and you then have to admit nobody's hands are clean,
Speaker 7: that all of us are complicit to some degree. I
Speaker 7: look at this and I think back, what could I
Speaker 7: have done during my presidency to move this forward? As
Speaker 7: hard as I tried, I've got the scars to prove it,
Speaker 7: But there's a part of me that's still saying, well,
Speaker 7: was there something else I could have done? That's the
Speaker 7: conversation we should be having, not just looking backwards but
Speaker 7: looking forward, and that can't happen if we are confining
Speaker 7: ourselves to our outrage. I would rather see you out
Speaker 7: there talking to people, including people who you disagree with it.
Speaker 7: If you genuinely want to change this, then you've got
Speaker 7: to figure out how to speak to somebody on the
Speaker 7: other side.
Speaker 3: Oh man, all right, Okay, lots to say.
Speaker 2: If anybody wants to know why I viscerally hate Barack Obama,
Speaker 2: that's actually probably the best clip because you could look
Speaker 2: at it one way, and this is on most liberals do.
Speaker 3: They're like, what an eloquent man.
Speaker 2: He's able to summarize the both sides and bring it holistically.
Speaker 2: It's so nuanced. A it's not nuanced, but Bae, he
Speaker 2: literally was the president. He had the power. He actually
Speaker 2: at one point had the ability to change these circumstances,
Speaker 2: and he hemmed and he had and he did.
Speaker 3: Exactly what you talked about previously.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, you know, it's like we just my
Speaker 2: hands were tied and all of this, and there's so
Speaker 2: many different things you know, from the Middle East and
Speaker 2: so many other policies that he pursued that actually did
Speaker 2: help us get to where we are right now. It's
Speaker 2: funny you could look at it from a right angle
Speaker 2: and a left angle actually to give both the pathways
Speaker 2: to creating this situation. But most importantly, that is such
Speaker 2: a helpless and effectless way to look at it because
Speaker 2: it takes power away from basically every person who is
Speaker 2: involved in the situation. And so that is why I
Speaker 2: truly despise Barack Obama, because, in my opinion, he was
Speaker 2: smart enough to know better, and he was a good
Speaker 2: enough politician to actually try and to change some of
Speaker 2: these systemic problems that he talked very eloquently about two
Speaker 2: thousand and six to two thousand and eight, and by
Speaker 2: nine basically just washed his hands, gave up, and now
Speaker 2: he's an Instagram president. Him and his wife are Netflix brands.
Speaker 2: They're not even human beings now at this point.
Speaker 3: This is a perfect example.
Speaker 2: This is calibrated to keep his Netflix deal in his
Speaker 2: dumbass National Park series, not to actually do anything. That's
Speaker 2: what is that's the guiding north star of his life
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister content creator, personal brand dude has a lot
Speaker 1: of goal to be castigating the TikTok activists for not
Speaker 1: presenting a wholesome picture to his liking.
Speaker 4: And that was the point.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a million things to say about this,
Speaker 1: but that was the part that to me was the
Speaker 1: most enraging and also the most classic Obama, rather than
Speaker 1: you know, digging in on what you could have done
Speaker 1: when you were president, which she gives a nod. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think about maybe what could I have done different?
Speaker 1: But really the problem is all of you people out
Speaker 1: there on TikTok, and maybe you need to just get
Speaker 1: out there and talk to someone who disagrees with you,
Speaker 1: or maybe Barack Obama. You could get on the phone
Speaker 1: to your buddy Joe Biden and actually exert some influence
Speaker 1: on someone who has some real power to change the situation,
Speaker 1: rather than just lecturing young people about being on TikTok.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a part that's so irritating to me.
Speaker 1: Is he says, he has this quote, you have to
Speaker 1: admit that all of us are complicit to some degree.
Speaker 3: It's like you more than us, maybe.
Speaker 1: But only one of us was president of the United
Speaker 1: States for eight years. Okay, so and only one of
Speaker 1: us is besties with the current president of the United States,
Speaker 1: by the way, so perhaps some of us are more
Speaker 1: complicit than others of us. That's the part that like
Speaker 1: most enrages me. The other thing is it's just so
Speaker 1: classic Obama too. It's the same like red state blue
Speaker 1: state formulation, you know, where he has to go out
Speaker 1: of his way to It's classic nuanced trolling too. Like
Speaker 1: this is like the definition of nuanced trolling, which listen,
Speaker 1: No one is going to deny the history is complex.
Speaker 1: There are a million podcasts that I recommend you listen
Speaker 1: to or books you can read to really understand the
Speaker 1: ins and outs of the deals that were crafted and
Speaker 1: rejected and who rejected them and why and how we
Speaker 1: got to this you know, strange situation to begin with,
Speaker 1: and you know, the all the events that unfolded, there's
Speaker 1: no doubt that that is all very complex. But also
Speaker 1: the current situation is actually not that complex. The immediate
Speaker 1: situation is there is mass civilian death, huge indiscriminate bombing,
Speaker 1: and the risk of a huge regional, if not world
Speaker 1: war on the table. Those pieces are actually not complex.
Speaker 1: I don't need you to nuanced troll over that. I
Speaker 1: don't need you to wring your hands about how difficult
Speaker 1: and how complex it is, et cetera. Because actually some
Speaker 1: of the both geostrategic pieces here and the moral pieces
Speaker 1: are very very clear. So that's why I find all
Speaker 1: of that so irritating and so enraging. And this man
Speaker 1: never pops up to do anything useful whatsoever. The only
Speaker 1: thing he really cares about is like burnishing his own
Speaker 1: legacy and trying to preserve his own legacy. But in
Speaker 1: terms of actually like pushing policy or pushing the very
Speaker 1: powerful people that he has tons of sway with in
Speaker 1: any sort of positive direction, he's got nothing to say
Speaker 1: about everyone.
Speaker 2: He said it's technically true. It's like, yeah, it is
Speaker 2: technically true. You can't have a full picture on TikTok.
Speaker 2: It is technically true that everyone, at some point or
Speaker 2: every US policymaker, I would say, is I would argue
Speaker 2: I would have.
Speaker 1: Seen some tiktoks that were more illuminating than what he
Speaker 1: just said right there.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, he's like, you can't tell the whole picture,
Speaker 2: you can't getbos I agree. I mean, I agree that
Speaker 2: much of a modern online discourse is cancerous, but I
Speaker 2: also am always reminded that that discourse is equally cancerous,
Speaker 2: and it's helplessness.
Speaker 3: It's a powerlessness.
Speaker 2: It's the ability to try and to suage the feelings
Speaker 2: of liberals without actually doing anything. That was the if
Speaker 2: you want to really know what he invented more than anything,
Speaker 2: it was that it was the celebrity president, the man
Speaker 2: who does nothing. And you often hear that, You're like,
Speaker 2: he was the most eloquent president we ever had, and
Speaker 2: it's always like, is that eloquence, Because real eloquence, real
Speaker 2: power was the ability to combine rhetoric and the actual
Speaker 2: force behind it to the force of action for wards
Speaker 2: and to translate into something he never actually mastered the
Speaker 2: second part. But we are all so you know, we're
Speaker 2: also anxious to be led by such a great man
Speaker 2: that we're willing to just like forget what real leadership
Speaker 2: is supposed to look like.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I can go on forever as people could see.
Speaker 2: This is something that sticks deep for me with Barack Obama,
Speaker 2: and it's good to see absolutely nothing has changed on
Speaker 2: his front.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next part here.
Speaker 2: There were some major protests here in Washington calling for
Speaker 2: a ceasefire. Our team was actually there on the ground.
Speaker 2: We have some images that we can show you before
Speaker 2: we actually throw to some of the interviews our team
Speaker 2: was able to.
Speaker 1: These ones were not by the way from our team,
Speaker 1: the ones pulled from the internet. But we just wanted
Speaker 1: to give you a sense of the size and.
Speaker 3: Scale up right. Yeah, you can see just how big
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: The time lass footage of hundreds of thousands of people
Speaker 2: were in Washington. You can see palsing and flag, you
Speaker 2: can see people that were standing. We are told it
Speaker 2: was a very very diverse crowd by our team and
Speaker 2: they were able to conduct a lot of interviews. So
Speaker 2: why don't we take a listen and see what they
Speaker 2: found out for us?
Speaker 8: All Right, it's Mack here with breaking points just at
Speaker 8: the National March here in Washington, d C. For Palestine.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely massive.
Speaker 9: We're here to lend the voice the Palestinians and Graza
Speaker 9: to tell them that we hear you. We're here to
Speaker 9: express your thoughts to the leadership in the White House
Speaker 9: and in Congress to stop the genocide and stop the
Speaker 9: killing and come up to peaceful resolution.
Speaker 10: I came out here because my family and Kaza can't.
Speaker 10: I came out here to raise awareness of what's going
Speaker 10: on in Palestine, what's been happening in Palestine and to
Speaker 10: raise our voices and let people know that we do
Speaker 10: not want our money going to this war, to this genocide,
Speaker 10: this apartheid.
Speaker 11: As a Jewish person raised with Jewish values, proudly Jewish,
Speaker 11: I refuse to have my identity hijacked by Zionism. Zionism
Speaker 11: is a genocidal, secular nationalist movement that has nothing to
Speaker 11: do with the Jewish values that I grew up with.
Speaker 11: Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not Jewish values. Our pain
Speaker 11: as Jewish people, our trauma, even the trauma from October seventh,
Speaker 11: is being hijacked to justify long term plans to completely
Speaker 11: ethnically cleanse Gaza. So we have to stand against it.
Speaker 12: We see the US is funding a genocide. So this
Speaker 12: is our opportunity to show that this is enough. Enough's enough,
Speaker 12: We're have enough. I've had enough. I'm just some regular
Speaker 12: old American guy. I mean, I have no connections to
Speaker 12: Israel or to Palestine, to anything, but I see that
Speaker 12: this is just about humanity.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of talk in the press that
Speaker 2: these are hate marches, so I wanted to see for
Speaker 2: myself if there was a lot of.
Speaker 3: Hate out here. Have not seen any hate yet. If
Speaker 3: I see any hate, I will report background.
Speaker 13: My first cousin's son with his family were bombed in
Speaker 13: their own house and they were killed. Now tell me
Speaker 13: how am I going to look my cousin in the
Speaker 13: eye and give her microndolences when she knows and I
Speaker 13: know that her son and his family were killed with
Speaker 13: my tax dollar, with my money, And how can I
Speaker 13: sleep at night? Would you be able to sleep at night?
Speaker 4: And this happened to you?
Speaker 13: Now, that's the problem here, That's what I face every
Speaker 13: single day.
Speaker 14: We are human beings, and these are babies, brother, and
Speaker 14: forget how about the ones that are not dying right
Speaker 14: that now got to suffer and they're traumatized for the
Speaker 14: rest of their life. They're watching their parents decapitated, Their
Speaker 14: limbs are gone, their homes are gone, they.
Speaker 3: Have nowhere to go.
Speaker 14: It's literally an outdoor prison, right and at least in
Speaker 14: a regular prison, eventually you might get out.
Speaker 3: Over there, there's no getting out.
Speaker 7: I don't know how many more they're gonna kill before
Speaker 7: they just wipe out the whole.
Speaker 3: Group. So it's to me, it's ethnic cleansing.
Speaker 4: And I'm here and I'm against that. My tax dollars
Speaker 4: going to support that.
Speaker 8: What do you think of Joe Biden's handling of this
Speaker 8: so far?
Speaker 3: I think this is a lot.
Speaker 12: He has a lot to deal with this because his
Speaker 12: strong he is such a strong attachment to Israel that
Speaker 12: he has no way to back out. Now he is
Speaker 12: now fully involved with this genocide thousands of civilians. The
Speaker 12: blood is on his hands.
Speaker 15: Now there's a whole generation that are gonna be raised
Speaker 15: worth nothing but hate in their hearts because what Israel
Speaker 15: has done to their their families, and their friends and
Speaker 15: their communities. I mean, we're creating thousands of people that
Speaker 15: are gonna hate.
Speaker 5: We need to stop and have a sea spire right now.
Speaker 8: What do you think of Joe Biden's handling of all
Speaker 8: of this so far?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I support him because I don't want Trump,
Speaker 5: but I'm very bothered that he isn't calling for a seaspire.
Speaker 8: Are you gonna withhold your vote from Joe Biden?
Speaker 4: Yes, i am. I'm not sure hown buddy for will
Speaker 4: be Joe Biden, gotcha. Yes, I'm very very disappointed.
Speaker 10: I voted for him in the last election because I
Speaker 10: felt he was the lesser of two evils, and he's
Speaker 10: just proven that he is the most evil one hundred
Speaker 10: percent going to vote for somebody else. I'm looking for
Speaker 10: an independent party that supports the liberation of Palestine.
Speaker 14: Oh Joe, who's Joe Biden. He's not handling anything. At
Speaker 14: the end of the day, He's just a puppet. That's
Speaker 14: what we feel like he's talking about. I don't believe
Speaker 14: in the numbers of how many Palestinians died and just
Speaker 14: it's all just to distract everybody for what's happening.
Speaker 11: Men, the US cannot give aid to UH to countries
Speaker 11: that commit war crimes. How could I vote for Biden? Now,
Speaker 11: I mean Trump is a fascist, but how could I
Speaker 11: vote for Biden? My my partner has family and Gaza.
Speaker 11: You told me, who how could I vote for him?
Speaker 4: Do the job?
Speaker 16: Well, he cannot. He cannot finish the job. He cannot
Speaker 16: do anything. He cannot accomplish anything. All our taxes he
Speaker 16: just burned it. He's just killing people with children, and
Speaker 16: it's children.
Speaker 9: This is a grated channel right up to you. So
Speaker 9: I think he's being insensitive to the views of the
Speaker 9: other people, to the Palestinian people, his one sided view
Speaker 9: save Israel and without serious consideration on the happenings in Gaza.
Speaker 8: What do you think of other Americans who may be
Speaker 8: a little bit hesitant to support the Palestinian cause, or
Speaker 8: they think it's a really complex issue.
Speaker 3: What would you say to them.
Speaker 12: I get it because we want to be careful with
Speaker 12: our words and we want to be careful of who
Speaker 12: we support. But this is not This is the fact.
Speaker 12: The facts are that we have thousands of civilians dead.
Speaker 12: They're being murdered. This is a genocide. This I get
Speaker 12: that we want to be careful, but this is we've
Speaker 12: gotten to a point where you can't be careful anymore.
Speaker 12: He's fired. Now, it's all stopped the genocide. It's all
Speaker 12: the same message. We're all in this together. Just listen
Speaker 12: to your fellow.
Speaker 11: Human I think if you're Jewish in the US, if
Speaker 11: you're a taxpayer in the US, it's especially important to
Speaker 11: speak out because your voice matters more to the people
Speaker 11: that are perpetrating ethnic cleansing in your name.
Speaker 14: We love Jews, We're standing with the Jews. It's desion,
Speaker 14: it's desiring. If that we're against okay, and has that
Speaker 14: we love you. We're here for you. You're in our prayers. Well,
Speaker 14: Loh we can do more. We will be there for you.
Speaker 10: There are Palestinians that need freedom. My family, I love
Speaker 10: you so much and we're here for you.
Speaker 2: Oh that was pretty shocking, actually, just to see so
Speaker 2: many people. They did a good job elucidating different response.
Speaker 2: They got some Jewish Americans, they had some Palestinian Americans,
Speaker 2: they had some Arab Americans asking, they're the most interesting
Speaker 2: question there.
Speaker 3: Of course, are you gonna withhold your Joe vote? From
Speaker 3: Joe Biden?
Speaker 2: Not a lot of positive responses there for the president.
Speaker 2: The one lady the most honest, She's like, I voted
Speaker 2: for him because he wasn't Trump, but now I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: So look, we should also all be honest. Let's be real.
Speaker 2: Let's look at the polling. Most American support Israel. Younger
Speaker 2: Americans they don't support Israel or they're mostly like a
Speaker 2: wash on the issue. They have thirty percent some approval
Speaker 2: for the Palestinedion cause, but it's like seventeen percent for Israel.
Speaker 2: Everything else is don't know, but the vast majority people
Speaker 2: who are older, especially who are going to vote their
Speaker 2: Israel supporters. However, this is a powerful contingent in American politics.
Speaker 2: If you're thinking of things as razor thin and something
Speaker 2: that is a major theme. I think of our coverage recently,
Speaker 2: Crystal has been the threat that RFK Junior, Cornell West
Speaker 2: and other third party candidates could face Joe Biden. So
Speaker 2: on that front, I don't think that there's any question
Speaker 2: that this is going to be a potent political force
Speaker 2: in that it can swing when the margins are only
Speaker 2: one to two percent that we're talking about and this,
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not going to say this is
Speaker 2: twenty percent.
Speaker 3: Maybe five five is enough. Five can swing.
Speaker 1: These are the largest anti war protests that we've had
Speaker 1: since the Iraq War, for sure. I don't even think
Speaker 1: it's close. And you know, I try to look at
Speaker 1: estimates very hard to get estimates of like exactly how
Speaker 1: many people were at this particular march the largest so
Speaker 1: the people who organized it said it was three hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Other reports said at least tens of thousands. The New
Speaker 1: York Post had a source who said around one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: You can see from the video it was a lot
Speaker 1: of friggin people. Okay, mac and Griffin did a fantastic
Speaker 1: job getting a cross section of the folks that were there.
Speaker 1: You have young people, you have you know that one
Speaker 1: lady just seems like kind of like a typical liberal,
Speaker 1: you know, who was out there and just like disgusted
Speaker 1: with what she sees unfolding in the news. You have
Speaker 1: people with direct connections to the region, the one woman
Speaker 1: who says she has family members who she knows who
Speaker 1: lost loved ones in Gaza. So you really get a
Speaker 1: sense of, you know, the breadth of the coalition that
Speaker 1: is really standing in favor of a ceasefire. And I
Speaker 1: think to your point taker about the polling, you know,
Speaker 1: it really depends on how you ask the question, because
Speaker 1: you have two thirds of Americans already who say we
Speaker 1: want a cease fire, and that's what this march is
Speaker 1: calling for. So in that way, even though obviously the
Speaker 1: people who are going to show up at a protest
Speaker 1: like this is an activist, engaged group of people, but
Speaker 1: they actually reflect the overwhelming majority of Americans with regards
Speaker 1: to their demand for a ceasefire. If you're talking about Democrats,
Speaker 1: it's actually eighty percent of Democrats who support the demand
Speaker 1: that is being made at this march of a ceasefire.
Speaker 1: Eighty percent of Democrats, and this is why this is.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, you know, the moral issues for me
Speaker 1: are paramount, but it's a huge political issue for Joe
Speaker 1: Biden because he needs young people to show up and
Speaker 1: vote for him and believe that he is the lesser
Speaker 1: of the two evils and bother to go to the
Speaker 1: polls on election day. And if you look at all
Speaker 1: of the polls that come out, there is such a
Speaker 1: massive generational divide. And we've also seen in terms of
Speaker 1: Arab American opinion, I mean, the way that his support
Speaker 1: in the Arab American community has fallen off a cliff
Speaker 1: is really I can't think of a similar polling demographic
Speaker 1: plummet that we have ever witnessed.
Speaker 4: And this is something that.
Speaker 1: We talked to Jim Zobbie about last week in terms
Speaker 1: of his views and his perspective on the issue. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's quite extraordinary to see this many people
Speaker 1: in our nation's capital and reflective of also marches that
Speaker 1: we're seeing all over the world with the very same demand,
Speaker 1: which is a ceasefire. Now, the last thing that I
Speaker 1: really noted saga, which I thought was interesting as you
Speaker 1: had a number of people bring up the fact that
Speaker 1: part of what compelled them to be there was that
Speaker 1: they felt that since this was our taxpayer dollars that
Speaker 1: were being used to support these actions by Israel, it
Speaker 1: gave them a special sense of responsibility to lift their voices.
Speaker 1: And I think that is an incredibly important dynamic of
Speaker 1: this because sometimes what you hear is like, oh, why
Speaker 1: do you care so much about this issue? And you know,
Speaker 1: why aren't you spending more of your time talking about, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Hamas release the hostage, which they one hundred percent should
Speaker 1: do well. Part of it is because our taxpayer dollars
Speaker 1: aren't going to support Hamas. They are going overwhelmingly to
Speaker 1: support Israel and including this, you know, additional fourteen billion
Speaker 1: dollars that they're trying to secure for more weapons to
Speaker 1: our great ally Israel. So that is part of why
Speaker 1: the American people feel, I think, a special responsibility to
Speaker 1: lift their voices in protests when they see our taxpayer
Speaker 1: dollars going to support something that we, you know, a
Speaker 1: majority of public opinions says we wildly stand against. And
Speaker 1: that's before you even get into the risk of escalation,
Speaker 1: the risk of the broader war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, I think it's a totally fair
Speaker 2: points or you know that any American citizen, especially if
Speaker 2: who's talking about this from a taxpayer perspective, I think
Speaker 2: that's totally legitimate and it's fair, and that's something that
Speaker 2: I get very annoyed. People were like, oh, everybody is
Speaker 2: anti Semitic? Who sans? Were there some nasty signs?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean there's nasty signs like every protest you ever
Speaker 2: been to a protest before. That doesn't mean that they're
Speaker 2: necessarily representative. That applies to a Trump support too, just
Speaker 2: by the way, And that's exactly my issue is we're
Speaker 2: seeing like an erosion of free speech norms, We're seeing
Speaker 2: an erosion of the discord. The discourse has never been
Speaker 2: more poisonous than I've ever seen in my life, just
Speaker 2: around these around these things, maybe the Iraq war, I
Speaker 2: guess wasn't old enough to participate, but all the pieces
Speaker 2: are in place, you know, to try and crack down
Speaker 2: on some sort of dissent. But that is a potent
Speaker 2: reminder that this is certainly not going anywhere. And sure,
Speaker 2: you know, the Iraq protest didn't stop the war, but
Speaker 2: it was a preview of what was to come and
Speaker 2: of the price to be paid. In five six and
Speaker 2: for the years to come of people who were skeptical
Speaker 2: of the government from there on out. So I would
Speaker 2: pay attention if I were the people who were in charge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed. And lastly we saw our own co host
Speaker 1: Ryan Grimm Oh, yeah, that's right at the protests Ryan
Speaker 1: as well, checking things out.
Speaker 3: And I'm so sure about that hat though, Ryan, and
Speaker 3: that hat's go.
Speaker 1: We're going to have to talk about that hat. I'm
Speaker 1: calling I will censor that hat. But you know, he
Speaker 1: made a point online and also on a substack that
Speaker 1: I thought was a good one, which is we're kind
Speaker 1: of in the phase now of people starting to think
Speaker 1: about how is it going to look for me in
Speaker 1: the future, that I supported all of this. And you
Speaker 1: even saw Richie Torrez, who I don't know if you guys.
Speaker 4: Have been following.
Speaker 1: He's a Democratic congressman who has been going all in
Speaker 1: at war with Rashida to leave like fighting on behalf
Speaker 1: of Israel's right to do whatever they want, whatever they want,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And even he Sagur put on a statement
Speaker 1: after the far right Israeli minister was like, hey, how
Speaker 1: about we knew Gaza. It was like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: way too far. This guy needs to be fired. This
Speaker 1: is completely over the line. And I think that's consistent
Speaker 1: with what Ryan is talking about, is as these images
Speaker 1: continue to come out, as we continue to see the
Speaker 1: extent of the devastation. You can go look at the
Speaker 1: maps that are coming out of how much of Gaza
Speaker 1: has already been destroyed, of the suffering that all of
Speaker 1: this billions there are undergoing as we speak. The people
Speaker 1: are starting to think about, like, how in five years
Speaker 1: is this going to look for me that I was
Speaker 1: behind this this whole time. And you certainly see that
Speaker 1: in terms of the White House trying to you know,
Speaker 1: trying to put out there like oh, we're really trying,
Speaker 1: We're really trying, we really care about the civilians, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So in any case, it's it was pretty
Speaker 1: extraordinary to see that many people coming out to the
Speaker 1: nation's capital to call for a ceasefire.
Speaker 4: And you know, even in like how.
Speaker 1: We feel about the state of our quote unquote democracy,
Speaker 1: even in the most repressive countries, they have to worry
Speaker 1: about public opinion, of course, like you can only stipe
Speaker 1: your descent so much. And I think this is only
Speaker 1: going to grow from here. All right, this is a good,
Speaker 1: good place actually to turn to politics on any.
Speaker 4: Other day, week whatever.
Speaker 1: This would be by far the biggest story that we
Speaker 1: started the show with. But some really quite eye opening
Speaker 1: polls coming out from the New York Times, the Liberal
Speaker 1: paper of Record put this up on the screen.
Speaker 4: They did polling of swing.
Speaker 1: States, and in five of those six swing states, Trump
Speaker 1: is winning. Leave us up on the screen so I
Speaker 1: can just go through all of the numbers years, so
Speaker 1: if people get a sense of what we're dealing with.
Speaker 1: In Nevada, Trump fifty two, Biden forty one. In Michigan,
Speaker 1: Trump forty eight, Biden forty three. In Georgia, Trump is
Speaker 1: up by six forty nine to forty three. In Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: Trump is up by four forty eight forty four. In Arizona,
Speaker 1: Trump is up by five forty nine forty four. And
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, this is the one state where Biden's hanging
Speaker 1: on by his fingertips. He's winning forty seven forty five.
Speaker 1: I probably do not need to remind you that last
Speaker 1: time around, Biden won every single one.
Speaker 4: Of these states.
Speaker 1: That Nevada number should be really shocking to people, because
Speaker 1: I don't think Nevada even ended up being all that close.
Speaker 1: It's one of the state's Democrats have continued to perform
Speaker 1: well in even as some of the demographics there have tended.
Speaker 4: To shift to the right. Let's go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'll give you some of the details and that's how
Speaker 1: get your reaction. That we can show some of the
Speaker 1: additional polling graphics.
Speaker 4: We have here.
Speaker 1: Part of what is driving this shift to Trump. Voters
Speaker 1: under thirty, some of those people that we saw at
Speaker 1: the march there now favor mister Biden by a single
Speaker 1: percentage point one point. Voters under thirty, key part of
Speaker 1: the Democratic coalition, favor Biden now by a single point.
Speaker 1: His lead among Hispanic voters is down to single digits.
Speaker 1: His advantage in urban areas is half that of Trump's
Speaker 1: edge in rural region. So he's still winning in urban areas,
Speaker 1: but it's not nearly like what Trump is doing in
Speaker 1: rural areas. Women still favor Biden, but men prefer Trump
Speaker 1: by twice as large a margin, reversing the gender advantage
Speaker 1: that has fueled so many Democratic gains in recent years.
Speaker 1: Let me throw one more at you. Black voters longa
Speaker 1: bullwork for Democrats and from mister Biden. The New York
Speaker 1: Times are now registering twenty two percent support for Trump
Speaker 1: in these states, a level unseen in presidential politics for
Speaker 1: a Republican in modern times. And I'll give you a
Speaker 1: quote from one of the respondents that they interviewed. Here,
Speaker 1: a guy named Spencer Weis's fifty three year old electrical
Speaker 1: substation specialist in Pennsylvania, says the world is falling apart
Speaker 1: under Biden. He backed Biden in twenty twenty, but he
Speaker 1: is now backing Trump, albeit with some reservations.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 4: I would much rather see.
Speaker 1: Somebody that I feel can be a positive role model
Speaker 1: leader for the country. But at least I think Trump
Speaker 1: has his wits about him.
Speaker 3: Soger, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: Look, and this is where even everyone always tries to
Speaker 2: make it about a certain thing. I actually think the
Speaker 2: single biggest problem for Biden is he's too old.
Speaker 3: Go and put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: Please see two share who think each candidate is too
Speaker 2: old from thirty four percent in twenty twenty to seventy
Speaker 2: one percent.
Speaker 4: And we tried to tell you seventy summer, we tried.
Speaker 2: To tell you, Yeah, exactly. I remember actually getting a
Speaker 2: lot of hate mail about that, and we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're making fun of a man with the stutter. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just a magical stutter that reappeared whenever he turned
Speaker 2: seventy eight years old. Thirty four years old, thirty four
Speaker 2: percent to seventy one percent of the American people only
Speaker 2: eighteen percent of thought about about Trump thirty nine percent. Now,
Speaker 2: by the way, thirty nine is still high, but I
Speaker 2: mean Trump is leading that by double digit margins. Now
Speaker 2: does not have the mental sharpness to be president. Look
Speaker 2: at that Biden figure. Twenty twenty was forty five percent
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three sixty two percent.
Speaker 3: That's almost a super majority.
Speaker 2: Trump's mental sharpness has actually gone down in terms of
Speaker 2: people who think that he doesn't have it and does
Speaker 2: not have the temperament to be president. This is probably
Speaker 2: the worst one for Biden because this is why a
Speaker 2: huge number of people voted for him. Yeah, thirty nine
Speaker 2: percent in twenty twenty said Biden did not have the temperament.
Speaker 3: Now it's fifty one.
Speaker 2: Trump had a fifty eight in terms of people who
Speaker 2: say he didn't have the temperament, and now it's fifty five.
Speaker 2: To be narrowly tied with Trump on the area where
Speaker 2: you most were able to succeed him in terms of
Speaker 2: I have the statesmanship, I have the temperament, I'm not Trump,
Speaker 2: which again, the vast majority of people who voted for Biden,
Speaker 2: whether they admitted it or not, did it because his
Speaker 2: name wasn't Trump, not because of anything that he was
Speaker 2: actually saying or wanting to do. This is the biggest,
Speaker 2: the core problem. Put the next one, please up there
Speaker 2: on the screen. Con goes into this, how Trump is
Speaker 2: fared now in the Times. In Siena polling four years ago.
Speaker 2: Four years ago, it was Democrats plus two for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Today it's Republicans plus five a named alternative.
Speaker 3: This is actually pretty interesting in and of itself.
Speaker 2: Like Elizabeth Warren in twenty nineteen, or Kamala still has
Speaker 2: Republican advantage, although Kamala actually appears to be faring slightly
Speaker 2: better than Joe Biden, which takes skill.
Speaker 4: How bad it's gotten now.
Speaker 2: For an unnamed generic democrat, they say Democrats plus three
Speaker 2: and Democrats plus eight, So generic Democrat and generic Republican
Speaker 2: actually both faring incredibly well in these weeks.
Speaker 4: Phillips love and that number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's not.
Speaker 2: It's going to be Biden, and it's mostly going to
Speaker 2: be Trump, you know, barring some blackswan of course, which
Speaker 2: you know, could, of course happen, and we don't know
Speaker 2: what those look like. But on the path that we
Speaker 2: are today, we've got three hundred and sixty five days
Speaker 2: or so until election day, this is a blaring red signal.
Speaker 2: I saw Nate Silver say that too. He's like, look,
Speaker 2: the American people have been telling you for three straight years.
Speaker 2: He's too old. He's too old, he's too old. Hey,
Speaker 2: by the way, he's way too old.
Speaker 3: He's old old. Did you hear me? He's old?
Speaker 2: And Democrats are like, no, we're not gonna do a primary.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna do any of that. We're gonna start.
Speaker 2: Biden's gonna have to start going up the short stairs
Speaker 2: on Air Force One. We're just gonna cover it up
Speaker 2: as best as we can. People aren't stupid. Everybody knows
Speaker 2: somebody who is that old and has watched them decline,
Speaker 2: and it's just like, I don't know, man, you're gonna
Speaker 2: put him in charge of the nuclear submarines. You're gonna
Speaker 2: put him in charge of the nuclear arsenal. It gives
Speaker 2: people a lot of pause. And then on top of that,
Speaker 2: can anyone deny that the vibes of biden presidency have
Speaker 2: been awful. It's like, you combine all these things, you've
Speaker 2: got Jimmy Carter levels of disapproval.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what shows us.
Speaker 2: He's got the lowest presidential approval rating at this time
Speaker 2: in his presidency since every president since Jimmy Carter, even
Speaker 2: George hw Bush and Bill Clinton. You know, all these
Speaker 2: people who did not fare all that well in the
Speaker 2: year or so before, they were doing better than Biden
Speaker 2: is right now.
Speaker 1: And you know what if people felt like their life
Speaker 1: was going great and it felt hopeful about the future,
Speaker 1: and then maybe they'd be like, hey, Grandpa, like he's
Speaker 1: lost his death, but I get to live with it. Right,
Speaker 1: It's fine, things are going pretty good. But people don't
Speaker 1: feel that way. They don't feel that way at all.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, one of the reasons why Democrats
Speaker 1: were able to do as well as they did in
Speaker 1: the midterms, one of the reasons why they've done so
Speaker 1: well in so many special elections is because of the
Speaker 1: overturning of Rowe versus Wade and the focus on social
Speaker 1: issues and the I would say real extremism, some may
Speaker 1: say perceived extremism of the Republican Party. But within this poll,
Speaker 1: nearly twice as many voters say that economic issues will
Speaker 1: determine their twenty twenty four vote compared with social issues,
Speaker 1: and those economic voters favored Trump by a landslide, sixty
Speaker 1: percent to thirty two percent. Now, I've been pointing out
Speaker 1: for a long time here that at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the Biden presidency, when he was doing a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that was like manifestly helping a lot of people,
Speaker 1: including sending out checks and child tax credit and student
Speaker 1: loan forbearance, all of these sorts of things that made
Speaker 1: people feel like, all right, I'm getting by, I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1: Even as inflation started to spike, his approval rating was
Speaker 1: very high. Lo and behold, the story of his presidency
Speaker 1: has been pulling all of those things back, so that
Speaker 1: not only are Americans, even before we talk about inflation,
Speaker 1: in a worse economic position than they were previously and
Speaker 1: seeing all of these things that were helpful to them
Speaker 1: previously go away under a democratic administration, but then you
Speaker 1: also have, of course the specter of inflation, which has
Speaker 1: made it so that people are taking a pay cut
Speaker 1: month to month to month, and it's no surprise that
Speaker 1: folks are feeling like, hey, the economy hasn't been too
Speaker 1: great under you, buddy, This hasn't gone too well.
Speaker 4: I don't appreciate the decisions that you've made in this regard.
Speaker 1: So you have that, you have, of course, the perception
Speaker 1: and the reality that he is struggling just to complete
Speaker 1: the sentences, and you know, a sense of sort of
Speaker 1: listlessness and a sense that he doesn't really have control
Speaker 1: of the world around him. And then you've got, you know,
Speaker 1: the Ukraine War, and now you've got what's going on
Speaker 1: in Israel and Gaza. So I don't think anyone should
Speaker 1: be surprised that you see these kind of numbers coming
Speaker 1: out in swing states. It's been the writing has kind
Speaker 1: of been on the wall for a while. We talked
Speaker 1: last week about how much support RFK Junior is actually
Speaker 1: garnering at this point in the general election. In this
Speaker 1: poll from Quinnipiac, he's getting twenty two percent when it's
Speaker 1: a three way race, and that actually lifts Biden over
Speaker 1: Trump to thirty nine thirty six. And then Kennedy at
Speaker 1: twenty two. I would say this is maybe the one
Speaker 1: thing that could save Joe at this point. And I
Speaker 1: do think it is a little bit negligent that the
Speaker 1: New York Times didn't include Kennedy. I would personally, and
Speaker 1: they have the money to do this. I would want
Speaker 1: to do a head to head that's Biden and Trump,
Speaker 1: and I would want to do the Biden, Trump and Kennedy.
Speaker 1: It'd be good to have Cornell Wesson there as well,
Speaker 1: though I think there are a lot more questions about
Speaker 1: how whether he will have ballid access and whether that'll
Speaker 1: be a real choice going to the election. But would
Speaker 1: be good to have him there as well as a
Speaker 1: reference point, because when you're talking about a candidate who
Speaker 1: could potestially garner twenty percent of the vote, that in
Speaker 1: and of itself could completely change the dynamics. So I
Speaker 1: think that's maybe the one thing that the Biden team
Speaker 1: has got to be looking at with a little bit
Speaker 1: of hopefulness.
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is where, look, I just gave the
Speaker 2: case against I personally, I think Biden probably will lose.
Speaker 2: If you were to ask me today one year ahead,
Speaker 2: you can make fun of me. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff can happen any here. I think at this moment,
Speaker 2: I think he's probably going to lose. But let me
Speaker 2: give the case for why I think he could win.
Speaker 2: What I would say is RFK Junior could absolutely save him,
Speaker 2: especially in the margins. All he's got to do if
Speaker 2: he's getting twenty two percent of the vote is shave off.
Speaker 2: I mean, all those margins in the swing states are eight, nine,
Speaker 2: ten percent at best. Yeah, that's not that much that
Speaker 2: he has to take. Let's say that he draws on
Speaker 2: averag more from Trump than he does from Biden.
Speaker 3: Boom, you're golden.
Speaker 2: So even though you're only getting thirty something percent of
Speaker 2: the vote in Michigan or something like that, you're still winning.
Speaker 3: So that a win is a win.
Speaker 2: That's how a guy like Bill Clinton, who only got
Speaker 2: forty two percent of the popular vote became president with
Speaker 2: three hundred some electoral votes in nineteen ninety two because
Speaker 2: of Ross pro So that they're you know, not unprecedented
Speaker 2: to see that type of situation. The other case is,
Speaker 2: let's be real, The New York Times Siena poll had
Speaker 2: all the Republicans in a red wave in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: and it was totally wrong. I mean they were off
Speaker 2: by almost five points. Democrats have overperformed in every single
Speaker 2: special election. Virginia is going to be a massive test
Speaker 2: for abortion on the ballot. If Democrats overperform here again,
Speaker 2: then that's a blinking sign that, you know, just like
Speaker 2: Trump was able to get all of these like non
Speaker 2: college educated whites like crawl out of the woodwork who
Speaker 2: have never been pulled because they never voted before, abortion
Speaker 2: has been a very similar, you know effect on the electorate.
Speaker 2: So I would you know, look, I like I said,
Speaker 2: I think Biden will lose. I think it's like fifty
Speaker 2: five forty five, But I think that's a lot closer
Speaker 2: than some of the Trump people are trying to yeah,
Speaker 2: paint it as you know, forty five percent is you know,
Speaker 2: that's a better chance than Hilary had or sorry that
Speaker 2: Trump had.
Speaker 3: In terms of winning the election. You'd only a thirty
Speaker 3: percent chance.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing that Democrats will say, here's their
Speaker 1: cope at this point, which I think, you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's some real, uh some real justification here for their cope.
Speaker 1: They'll say that right now, all the focuses on Biden
Speaker 1: and his failures are what's going on with him in
Speaker 1: these wars and.
Speaker 4: The bad economy, et cetera.
Speaker 1: As we get into a general election, more focus will
Speaker 1: be on Trump and Trump. Yes, he's been indicted, but
Speaker 1: he's going to have trials. He could be facing convictions
Speaker 1: and that could change.
Speaker 4: The dynamics here. That's one.
Speaker 1: The other thing is they feel like, you know, some
Speaker 1: of these voters, they'd vote for Kamala Harris, but they
Speaker 1: wouldn't vote for Joe Biden. They feel like those people
Speaker 1: are ultimately going to be persuaded to come home. They'll
Speaker 1: be convinced again that oh my god, we can't do
Speaker 1: four more years of Trump, and they'll suck it up
Speaker 1: and vote for Joe. That's what they think is, you know,
Speaker 1: is going to ultimately happen. And like I said, especially
Speaker 1: with the specter of Trump facing criminal prosecution, potential potentially
Speaker 1: being found guilty and being sentenced, et cetera. That's what
Speaker 1: they're hoping for is that there's enough time between now
Speaker 1: and then that the dynamics could significantly shift that some
Speaker 1: of these young voters who you know are saying either
Speaker 1: they're going to stay home. It's not that they're really
Speaker 1: going to Trump, but they think they'll be brought into
Speaker 1: the fold eventually, so that's kind of what they're hanging
Speaker 1: their hat on. RFK Junior, I would say, is the
Speaker 1: real wild card here. And again I just want to say,
Speaker 1: I don't know that RFK is going to be able
Speaker 1: to pull off twenty percent of the vote when it
Speaker 1: actually comes down to it, because typically support for third
Speaker 1: party candidates ends up collapsing as you get close to
Speaker 1: election day. But if I don't see how you can
Speaker 1: really justify just completely leaving him out of the analysis
Speaker 1: at this point, I just I just really think that that,
Speaker 1: you know, changes the landscape significantly. And I've long said
Speaker 1: right now, I think he takes more from Trump. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that will persist, especially as you do
Speaker 1: have so many young voters who are disgusted with Joe
Speaker 1: Biden over what's happening in Israel or unconditional support for Israel.
Speaker 1: So I think those dynamics could shift. And you know,
Speaker 1: I really think one of the most undercovered political stories
Speaker 1: at this point is what's going on with him and
Speaker 1: the coalition that he is attempting to bring together. So
Speaker 1: that's something we want to keep our eye on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally and completely agree with you, Chrissel.
Speaker 2: Developments in each side of Ukraine is shocking just to
Speaker 2: see how quickly sentiment in Washington has turned, and how
Speaker 2: quickly also when the blank check gets withheld for even
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, all the knives in Ukraine and
Speaker 2: all the things that we knew that were true all
Speaker 2: began to come out. And now President Zelenski has taken
Speaker 2: to meet the press here in Washington, d C. To
Speaker 2: castigate Trump, to go after his own top general for
Speaker 2: admitting that their military is in a stalemate, and to
Speaker 2: basically act like some sort of resistance Twitter poster whenever
Speaker 2: he's talking about Putin. Here's what he had to say
Speaker 2: on our national television. Let's take a lesson. I hear
Speaker 2: you rejecting the characterization by your top general that this
Speaker 2: is a stalemate.
Speaker 4: Are you changing strategies?
Speaker 17: Yeah? I believe that today, indeed, the situation is difficult.
Speaker 17: I don't think that this is a stalemate. It's a
Speaker 17: it's a check on the on the on the part
Speaker 17: of the Russian army. But before that, we did a lot,
Speaker 17: We had done a lot, we weighed in a difficult situation.
Speaker 17: They thought that they would check made us but this
Speaker 17: didn't happen. And on the other on the contrary, we
Speaker 17: took the initiative in our hands. Now Russia wants to
Speaker 17: do to check us. They are attacking us in the
Speaker 17: east of our country while losing thousands of people and
Speaker 17: hundreds of units for pieces of weaponry.
Speaker 14: Because the war takes the best of us, the best heroes,
Speaker 14: the best man, woman, children, that's it.
Speaker 6: But we are not ready to give our freedom to
Speaker 6: this terrorists Putin.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's why we're all fighting. That's it.
Speaker 2: So that interview where he's like, Putin is an effing terrorist,
Speaker 2: you know. Again, as people compared him to Winston Churchill,
Speaker 2: it turns out that he's just like every Twitter user
Speaker 2: and she appears to be hanging out too often with
Speaker 2: Bill Crystal in terms of his discourse. But clearly he's
Speaker 2: on the back foot here and he's desperate in these interviews.
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. It turns
Speaker 2: out we know why. It's because US and European officials
Speaker 2: have broached the topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, quote unquote,
Speaker 2: sources tell NBC News, and those conversations have included broad
Speaker 2: outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to
Speaker 2: reach a deal with Russia. So here we are hundreds
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars later, who knows how many hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands of Ukrainian dead or wounded, and finally, with
Speaker 2: Russia holding twenty percent of all of Ukraine, something that
Speaker 2: we told was totally intolerable would never be accepted by
Speaker 2: the United States. With Ukraine, without Ukraine, all of that
Speaker 2: we are now saying, quote, some military officials have privately
Speaker 2: begun using the term stalemate to describe the current battle
Speaker 2: in Ukraine, with some saying it has now come down
Speaker 2: to which side can maintain a military force the longest. Wait,
Speaker 2: you mean, it wasn't like that from the very beginning,
Speaker 2: except it was, and all of us have been completely hoodwinked.
Speaker 2: The issue right here, Crystal, is that now we're all
Speaker 2: allowed to admit the truth that the Ukrainians are quote stealing,
Speaker 2: like there's no tomorrow, that the military is in a stalemate,
Speaker 2: that behind the scenes, there is no military assessment for
Speaker 2: them ever to be able to accomplish these goals without
Speaker 2: drawing the United States into sort of massive war. That
Speaker 2: actually there are trade offs between Israel and Ukraine, and
Speaker 2: Taiwan and anything that the United States wants to be
Speaker 2: able to accomplish militarily, and that pushing Ukraine to negotiate.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make you a Russian sympathizer. That just makes
Speaker 2: you a realist, somebody who can look at this, somebody
Speaker 2: who wants to minimize humanitarian casualties civilian or civilian death,
Speaker 2: military death, and to restore some sort of peace and
Speaker 2: order and minimize the amount of chaos in the globe
Speaker 2: that might embroil the United States into a major war.
Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's like it's so on the
Speaker 3: one hand.
Speaker 2: I guess we should be grateful that we're like starting
Speaker 2: to get to this point. On the other hand, can't
Speaker 2: help but be furious for being castigated for over two
Speaker 2: straight years for saying all of these obvious things and
Speaker 2: being shouted at, denied, losing friends, I mean, losing paid subscribers,
Speaker 2: losing so many people, like repeating Russian talking points, and
Speaker 2: now the top Ukrainian general says it, and we're all
Speaker 2: supposed to just pretend like it was the case for
Speaker 2: the entire period. That part, I'm not sure I can
Speaker 2: ever forgive that one.
Speaker 4: Well, the part that I really can't forgive either.
Speaker 1: Is you know, this peace deal that was apparently pretty
Speaker 1: close to coming together at the beginning of this conflict,
Speaker 1: that could have short circuited all of this destruction and
Speaker 1: all of the lives that were lost in the civilian
Speaker 1: casualties and the brutality and all of this horror. And
Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind that whatever deal could
Speaker 1: could possibly be had. And that's, you know, assuming Russia's
Speaker 1: even interested in making a deal right now, when they're
Speaker 1: doing decently well in the battlefield and they know they've
Speaker 1: got the numbers on their side where Ukraine doesn't. But
Speaker 1: whatever deal could theoretically be made now, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: it's going to be worse that what could have been
Speaker 1: had and what was more or less in hand at
Speaker 1: the beginning of this conflict, when there were diplomatic negotiations
Speaker 1: going on in Turkey that we were covering at the time,
Speaker 1: and that we have now since come to learn and
Speaker 1: confirmed in multiple ways by multiple sources, that the US
Speaker 1: decided we did not want that deal, and we are
Speaker 1: the ones that caused this war to go on now
Speaker 1: for years at this point that I can never get over.
Speaker 1: But your rights Oger the way that it now just
Speaker 1: turns on a dime.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Listen, we're about military genius this year, that's right, right,
Speaker 1: But it didn't take a military genius to see the
Speaker 1: way that this was likely to unfold. And so you know,
Speaker 1: all of the justification, all the way of like, oh,
Speaker 1: we can't even talk about giving up land, like that's
Speaker 1: just what you're just going to appease Putin And don't
Speaker 1: you know that he's exactly like Hitler? And so oh
Speaker 1: now it's okay to appease Hitler, yes.
Speaker 4: Or someone? What's changed?
Speaker 1: I thought he was literally Hitler Right now it's totally different.
Speaker 1: You can give him land and it's fine, and he's
Speaker 1: not going to take over all of Europe like you
Speaker 1: were trying to convince people what was going to happen?
Speaker 4: What changed here, guys?
Speaker 1: So it's it is such an example of the way
Speaker 1: that they gaslight, the way that they lie, the way
Speaker 1: that they crush any sort of descent. I mean, we
Speaker 1: privately had lawmakers talking to us about how sensitive this
Speaker 1: was and how they could not possibly stray from the
Speaker 1: script even a little bit without getting completely castigated and
Speaker 1: completely smeared.
Speaker 4: Et cetera.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's you know, it is no surprise that
Speaker 1: we ended up in this place, and it is an
Speaker 1: extraordinary tragedy that our policymakers, led by President Biden, brought
Speaker 1: us to this place and enabled all of this loss
Speaker 1: of you know, innocent life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what the great irony is Ukraine
Speaker 2: is probably going to come out of this even worse
Speaker 2: because now if you're Russia, you see the you see
Speaker 2: the military situation in Israel that's captured the rest of
Speaker 2: the globe. You see American political support on the fence,
Speaker 2: trade offs and all of that becoming you know, trade
Speaker 2: offs becoming real. Your entire economy has been converted now
Speaker 2: to a war economy. Your political support doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: have taken much of a hit.
Speaker 3: Maybe you should negotiate.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should just keep pouring men into the you know,
Speaker 2: into the Abyss, and you can gain maybe ten percent
Speaker 2: more of Ukraine, five percent more of that, and then
Speaker 2: maybe you negotiate. It's very possible Ukraine will end up
Speaker 2: with less land and with even more dead after this,
Speaker 2: or they could fold entirely.
Speaker 3: That's very much also on the table.
Speaker 2: So they would have been better off in those opening
Speaker 2: days with a lot less spent on our part and
Speaker 2: a lot less dead on both sides than they could
Speaker 2: be at the end of this conflict, which again was
Speaker 2: something which was very obvious.
Speaker 3: From the very beginning.
Speaker 2: Last piece, let's put this fleas up on the screen,
Speaker 2: just to show you is in terms of the knives
Speaker 2: out inside Ukraine, the office of President Zelensky, as he
Speaker 2: did in that interview, went after their own top military
Speaker 2: commander for public publicly declaring the war as a stalemate
Speaker 2: and suggesting that his comments would actually help the Russian invasion.
Speaker 2: So there is open warfare at the highest ranks of
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian political system. You've got the top military commander
Speaker 2: saying it's a stalemate. You've got Zelenski's own advisors admitting
Speaker 2: to massive corruption. You've got his former ai aids saying
Speaker 2: that he's a dictator who doesn't listen. I mean, all
Speaker 2: of this are the signs of a crumbling political.
Speaker 3: Support there at the top.
Speaker 2: So that's the other issue, where in terms of the chaos,
Speaker 2: there ain't no elections right now in Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Nobody knows what the hell is going to happen there.
Speaker 2: We could have a full blown military coup tomorrow, and
Speaker 2: you know, nobody would batny in terms of what that
Speaker 2: would look like. And the civilian populace too, they're all
Speaker 2: also caught up in this, so well, look, who knows
Speaker 2: what could happen. It's but the I think it's not
Speaker 2: possible to deny this. The situation there will be worse
Speaker 2: than what would have been in a peace deal in
Speaker 2: the beginning.
Speaker 3: And you know, we should.
Speaker 2: You know, we were talking previously about how people want
Speaker 2: to compare their comments from the early days of the
Speaker 2: Israel situation to now.
Speaker 3: We should demand the same thing. Oh yeah, we should
Speaker 3: demand it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, here's here's the last thing I'll say on this,
Speaker 1: since the US being humiliated seems to be the theme
Speaker 1: for the show today, we threw, we demanded that the
Speaker 1: entire world sacrifice for this conflict. We through the entire
Speaker 1: economic sanctions playbook that we had at Russia with very
Speaker 1: middling results in terms of what we were able to
Speaker 1: inflict there. Not that I even think that those sanctions
Speaker 1: work out in very rare circumstances, do they ever work
Speaker 1: out to begin with? And we basically through all of NATO,
Speaker 1: we're acting like this is a Ukraine versus Russia situation.
Speaker 1: But I mean the way that we, in the full
Speaker 1: force of NATO were really behind them. We're losing to
Speaker 1: this like third rate declining former superpower like once again,
Speaker 1: and we again pretended this whole time of all we
Speaker 1: you know, it's this all up to Ukraine and we're
Speaker 1: just back and then we don't really have anything to
Speaker 1: do with it, et cetera, et cetera. And it's also
Speaker 1: becoming very clear that now the minute that we're ready
Speaker 1: to move on, and you know, it's the AID is
Speaker 1: a little bit trickier to obtain here in Washington. It
Speaker 1: also shows you how much control we had in the
Speaker 1: conflict from the beginning. But you know, just a tragic,
Speaker 1: totally avoidable, devastating situation that has been enabled by almost
Speaker 1: such a large bipartisan majority. And every Democrat here in DC,
Speaker 1: every elected democrat here in DC.
Speaker 2: Very true, Yeah, every elected Democrat You're right in terms
Speaker 2: of their support for this war. Okay, let's go on
Speaker 2: to the next part here. This is a story I
Speaker 2: feel very very passionate about, but actually reveals so much
Speaker 2: about the modern US economy, about credit card debt, about
Speaker 2: what the incentives are for major financial institutions.
Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: So the budgeting app Mint, which I personally have been
Speaker 2: using since two thousand and ten wow, is now shutting
Speaker 2: down and pushing its users towards Credit Karma.
Speaker 3: So let me explain a little bit.
Speaker 2: Mint is obviously one of the first personal finance budgeting apps.
Speaker 3: It was a revolution at the time.
Speaker 2: It was one of the premier parts of having the smartphone,
Speaker 2: right around the same time as Uber.
Speaker 3: It had people have real.
Speaker 2: Time access to their exact financial picture in terms of
Speaker 2: their assets, their liabilities, what the worth was, the updating transactions,
Speaker 2: you could set goals, you could see how far you
Speaker 2: were going.
Speaker 3: It was one of the best.
Speaker 2: Things that actually happened for a lot of people in
Speaker 2: terms of getting control of their financial picture. And it
Speaker 2: has now and it's currently being used by millions of Americans.
Speaker 2: We don't know exactly the total number, but now in
Speaker 2: Mint was bought in two thousand and nine by into It.
Speaker 2: If you don't know what into it is, it's TurboTax,
Speaker 2: Quick Books. You know who else? They have Credit Karma.
Speaker 2: They have all these different companies that are under their umbrella.
Speaker 2: And just like TurboTax. What they have learned by shutting
Speaker 2: down Mint and by bolstering their Credit Karma business is
Speaker 2: that the best way to make money is not helping
Speaker 2: people be on a budget or even selling their personal
Speaker 2: financial data. It's to put you even to even more debt.
Speaker 2: And that is why it's so pernicious here, Crystal. They
Speaker 2: are moving people from Mint to Credit Karma. Credit Karma
Speaker 2: will not provide you the same budgeting features like being
Speaker 2: able to set goals and save towards different things and
Speaker 2: look at your categories. It will only give you your overall
Speaker 2: net worth picture or whatever. Now put this up there, please,
Speaker 2: because when you dig a little bit deeper into how
Speaker 2: they make any money, it all makes sense. Credit Karma
Speaker 2: has a revenue of one point six billion dollars. Whenever
Speaker 2: you dig into into it and its finances, that's actually
Speaker 2: down nine percent over the year. Do you want to
Speaker 2: know where that one point six billion came from. It's
Speaker 2: from looking at your credit score and from those pictures,
Speaker 2: and then ruthlessly pushing you to sign up for credit,
Speaker 2: for new credit cards and for personal loans and sending
Speaker 2: stuff to your house. Be like, hey, you've prequalified for
Speaker 2: this ridiculous personal loan. Just fill out this thing. Oh
Speaker 2: turns out, you know, the interest rates like ninety eight
Speaker 2: percent or something else ridiculous, And that's how they make
Speaker 2: their money by putting you even too even more debt.
Speaker 2: So the net effect of this for into it is
Speaker 2: they are killing one of the first genuinely innovative and
Speaker 2: best budgeting tools in the United States and instead switching
Speaker 2: you over to a system to sell you more personal
Speaker 2: loans credit card I put.
Speaker 3: You into more credit card debt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's mind boggling, but it does just show you
Speaker 2: that's how they make money.
Speaker 3: They don't make money when you're doing well.
Speaker 2: People who are on a budget are going to be
Speaker 2: less likely to get into debt. So what do we
Speaker 2: do We put we take away their ability to budget,
Speaker 2: and you put them into even more debt. It's diabolical,
Speaker 2: like whatever. You see how it is, But it's just
Speaker 2: so naked. It's one of the most naked things I've
Speaker 2: ever seen, because so many millions of people rely on this.
Speaker 3: App, like I said, including me. I've been using it
Speaker 3: since I was in college.
Speaker 2: I found it so helpful, and so when I saw
Speaker 2: the news that it was shutting down, I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe this, especially when I saw that they're
Speaker 2: just pushing people more to credit Carma I which I
Speaker 2: remember signing up for credit Carma and like twenty ten, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just to get a real time picture of your credit score.
Speaker 2: That's not what they do now. Now they're just trying
Speaker 2: to do everybody's just trying to sell you loan. It's like,
Speaker 2: can anybody just help you keep track of how much
Speaker 2: money you are spending?
Speaker 3: No, they don't want you to do that. That's the
Speaker 3: gross part of this decision.
Speaker 1: Because I mean, debt is really how they sort of
Speaker 1: keep people online. They even say, I haven't used any
Speaker 1: of these services, so I wasn't really familiar with them.
Speaker 1: But on credit Karma's website, the way they describe, as
Speaker 1: they say, into its credit Karma uses your credit profile
Speaker 1: to show you curated recommendations.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: That means we're going to try to you know, we're
Speaker 1: going to use your credit score and give you some
Speaker 1: tips on how to improve it so that we can
Speaker 1: send you even more loans, so we can try to
Speaker 1: get you an even more debt and be able to
Speaker 1: you know, make sure we can turn a profit off
Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, it makes all the sense in
Speaker 1: the world. This is also the company, as you mentioned
Speaker 1: into it. They're the ones that do TurboTax, which has
Speaker 1: been caught. We've done coverage of this before. I mean
Speaker 1: the way that they they you know, violated government regulations
Speaker 1: about how they were supposed to go about doing this.
Speaker 1: It's just they've completely scammed so many consumers to the
Speaker 1: point that now actually some of this money that's being
Speaker 1: fought over, you know how Republicans want to use fourteen
Speaker 1: million dollars to take that away from the IRS to
Speaker 1: give to Israel and spy the fact that that actually
Speaker 1: would increase debt more because the more money you give
Speaker 1: for IRS agentscy, actually we're going to return on investments
Speaker 1: for wealthy tax value. It's anyway, putting that aside, some
Speaker 1: of that money was supposed to be going towards developing
Speaker 1: a free tax filing system, something that into it is
Speaker 1: of course wildly against and has spent all kinds of
Speaker 1: money on lobbyists to try to guarantee that this never
Speaker 1: comes to pass. So they are wrongdoers in so many
Speaker 1: senses of the word. But you're right, this is just
Speaker 1: completely completely naked, and you know, to go kind of
Speaker 1: bigger picture like debt has been weaponized throughout history to
Speaker 1: force sort of like compliance on people. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a couple of examples. One example is back when we
Speaker 1: were talking student loan debt relief, you actually had military,
Speaker 1: some people in the military coming out and saying, you
Speaker 1: can't do this because we're going to lose one of
Speaker 1: our biggest recruitment tools. If people don't have student loan
Speaker 1: debt anymore, how are we going to get anybody to
Speaker 1: join the military. So you can see the way that
Speaker 1: it compels a certain direction of a life there. Right now,
Speaker 1: you have reportedly Israel using Egypt's debt with the World
Speaker 1: Bank to say, hey, if you take in all these
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of refugees from Gaza, maybe you get
Speaker 1: some of your debt forgiven.
Speaker 4: That is not even the first time.
Speaker 1: That we have used Egypt's debt to try to force
Speaker 1: their compliance and their acquiescence to our foreign policy, which
Speaker 1: we did I think in the initial Gulf War back
Speaker 1: in the nineties as well. So in any case, debt
Speaker 1: on an individual level, on a state level, a company level, whatever,
Speaker 1: is very powerful and very often weaponized, and this is
Speaker 1: very clearly nefarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the book recommendation I ready years ago. It's called
Speaker 2: a debt. I just looked up the title The First
Speaker 2: five thousand Years by a guy named David Graeber. It's
Speaker 2: kind of a modern it's a different take on the
Speaker 2: way the evolution of money in finance.
Speaker 3: How it actually wasn't you know? For commerce?
Speaker 2: It was actually debt related purposes, and that was It
Speaker 2: includes some of the first writings of Sumerian texts. People
Speaker 2: keep asking me, They're like, what should I use? By
Speaker 2: the way, I don't know, So I've compiled the list.
Speaker 2: There are four appears recommendations that have been given to me.
Speaker 2: One is every dollar app that when Stave Ramsey's one
Speaker 2: is you need a budget. I think it's called wine
Speaker 2: app One is like Monarch money, and then the other one.
Speaker 3: Was Rocket money.
Speaker 2: So those are the four that were recommended. But you
Speaker 2: know the issue with basically all of them have pluses
Speaker 2: and minuses. Some are premium products, as in you have
Speaker 2: to pay for it. That was one of the things
Speaker 2: about Mint is it was free. I mean, nothing is
Speaker 2: technically free, but some of them, you know, to unlock
Speaker 2: quote unquote premium features or whatever you have to pay
Speaker 2: an annual subscription fee. Some of them are connected to
Speaker 2: other multi billion dollar conglomerates and are basically making money
Speaker 2: the exact same way. It just happens to also let
Speaker 2: you do budgeting. But that's part of the issue, you know,
Speaker 2: in every one of these cases, there's a plus and
Speaker 2: a minus and for everyone being like, just use an
Speaker 2: Excel spreadsheet.
Speaker 3: They don't real time update. Okay, that's a pain in
Speaker 3: the ass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a pain you want that ain't happening.
Speaker 2: Look, it's as easy as it is to do Apple
Speaker 2: pay and to pay for stuff to go into debt.
Speaker 2: It should be that easy to make sure you're not
Speaker 2: going into debt. That's what I think we all should
Speaker 2: be looking for. So I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: out there are struggling, especially you know, with this mint thing,
Speaker 2: because it was an integral part of my life for
Speaker 2: a lot of people just in their day to day.
Speaker 2: So to get it ripped away and just look at
Speaker 2: you and to just look so starkly into why exactly
Speaker 2: this is happening is just it hurts.
Speaker 3: It hurts. They are.
Speaker 1: We also want to talk a little bit about there's
Speaker 1: some really big elections this week. There are entire state
Speaker 1: legislatures that are up, There are governor's mansions at stake,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of interesting ballot initiatives, and we
Speaker 1: wanted to focus in today in particular on my home
Speaker 1: state of Virginia, where the governor's not on the ballot,
Speaker 1: so that race is not happening. But obviously you have
Speaker 1: Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin right now, who really has to
Speaker 1: face of the Republican Party in Virginia, who had that
Speaker 1: against the odds victory over Terry mccollogist a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. And let's put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: So the House and the Senate are up for grabs
Speaker 1: here right now. The Republicans have a narrow advantage in
Speaker 1: what's called the House of Delegates in Virginia, and Democrats
Speaker 1: have a narrow advantage in the state Senate. And what
Speaker 1: it looks like is probably Democrats have a decent path
Speaker 1: holding on to the state Senate. Republicans have a decent
Speaker 1: path to holding onto the House of Delegates, and that
Speaker 1: state Senate is really critical in particular because they've been
Speaker 1: sort of like a bulwark against you whatever Glenn Youngkin
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and so they have stopped a lot
Speaker 1: of the legislation that he's been pushing forward. But the
Speaker 1: other piece of this Sacre that is really significant is
Speaker 1: Youngkin and the Republicans have decided to place a big
Speaker 1: bet on actually leaning into abortion messaging at a time
Speaker 1: when this issue has obviously been ba the complete disaster
Speaker 1: for Republicans. They push unsuccessfully earlier this year for a
Speaker 1: ban on abortions after fifteen weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions
Speaker 1: for rape incests in the life of the mother. Measure
Speaker 1: was blocked, as I said, by the Democratic majority in
Speaker 1: the state Senate. But they have actually put money behind
Speaker 1: talking about this fifteen week abortion ban. They believe this
Speaker 1: is an appealing sort of middle of the road approach,
Speaker 1: and so rather than just trying not to talk about
Speaker 1: the issue whatsoever, they're actually leaning into it. Which is
Speaker 1: part of what makes this election so interesting that in
Speaker 1: the fact that Virginia is, oftentimes, because of these weird
Speaker 1: off yr elections that we have, is oftentimes kind of
Speaker 1: a bell weather for what's coming down in terms of
Speaker 1: the presidential politics in the national politics as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's why we need to watch it really closely.
Speaker 2: I'm really curious, and I don't know what the hell
Speaker 2: Glenn is doing, because why would you make the election
Speaker 2: all about abortion the single most animating things like us? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and also we are in Virginia, dude, this is the
Speaker 2: full of the like the Karens of Karens in northern Virginia.
Speaker 2: These people crawl over broken glass to vote for abortion.
Speaker 2: It's like, what are you doing? I truly do not
Speaker 2: understand it. I did send you though, one of this
Speaker 2: letters that I got in the mail. I've pulled some
Speaker 2: of my friends. They also got it. It's we're calling
Speaker 2: it Glen Bucks. Where I'll read you a direct quote. Whenever,
Speaker 2: if you've filed for an income tax return in Virginia,
Speaker 2: here's what you get. You are receiving this rebate because
Speaker 2: Governor Glenn Youngkin recently signed a bill passed by the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Virginia Assembly giving taxpayers who filed tax
Speaker 2: your twenty twenty two returns and have a tax liability
Speaker 2: a rebate of up to two hundred dollars for an
Speaker 2: individual up to four hundred for a married couple filing jointly.
Speaker 2: They send that directly to your house with a check
Speaker 2: for two hundred bucks beneath it. So it's obviously a bribe,
Speaker 2: you know, in order to vote for the Republicans.
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm not actually against it. There
Speaker 3: would be a better thing.
Speaker 2: From my investigation on where these Glenn bucks came from,
Speaker 2: it appears that some of it was COVID money that
Speaker 2: was appropriated to the state and they had extra.
Speaker 3: So what they decided to do.
Speaker 2: Is like, hey, let's just cut a check to everybody
Speaker 2: who is in the entire state. So congratulations to everybody
Speaker 2: who is a Virginia resident. Maybe that will have some effect,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that it was a colossal mistake
Speaker 2: to bet every to bet the house on abortion restrictions
Speaker 2: again in Virginia, in and off your elections. I mean,
Speaker 2: like many I think Matt Iglesis has said this. He's
Speaker 2: like many upper middle class Democrats have like an elect
Speaker 2: like voting fetish, Like whenever it comes to special elections,
Speaker 2: they're like, there's nothing they love more than to vote.
Speaker 2: It's really like much more normal people who vote in
Speaker 2: presidential elections. Off, you're already you really have to be
Speaker 2: highly activated, and then these specials or not special these
Speaker 2: off your off your words, Like in Virginia, the least
Speaker 2: amount of people often voting those things. So anyway, this
Speaker 2: will be a bellweather at least in that regard for
Speaker 2: how animated people are whenever it comes to voting.
Speaker 1: There's another piece that's interesting about this, which is they
Speaker 1: are also trying to reverse the Trump era decline in
Speaker 1: Republicans voting early and by mail, so they've made a
Speaker 1: real concerted effort here. This is again reading from the ape.
Speaker 1: They say they're hoping for a boost for major investment
Speaker 1: in an initiative aiming to overcome GOP skepticism early in
Speaker 1: mail voting and get ballots banked before election day, and
Speaker 1: analysis by the nonpartisan Virginia Public Access Project found that
Speaker 1: six days out from the election, the share of early
Speaker 1: votes cast by likely Republican voters because Virginia doesn't have
Speaker 1: registration by party, has increased more than two points from
Speaker 1: last year, while the GP's share of mail votes is
Speaker 1: up by almost four percentage points.
Speaker 4: So it does.
Speaker 1: Appear like they were able to grab back some of
Speaker 1: the early vote. And this matters a lot just in
Speaker 1: terms of organized I mean, you can imagine, like if
Speaker 1: you've got your certain universe of voters that you're trying
Speaker 1: to turn out. If you've got this group that you
Speaker 1: can check off like they already went and voted, you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about them anymore. Then you're able
Speaker 1: to focus on bringing out those people that are more
Speaker 1: difficult and get them to the polls and call them
Speaker 1: and knock on their doors, set of a fly or
Speaker 1: whatever your strategy there is. So this was a tremendous
Speaker 1: advantage for Democrats in twenty twenty, in particular when Trump
Speaker 1: was you know, all about like, don't voterally, don't vote
Speaker 1: by mail, it's all rigged, et cetera, et cetera, that
Speaker 1: may have single handedly cost him the election. He has
Speaker 1: since even backtracked, yeah sort of half heartedly. Yeah, sort
Speaker 1: of half heartedly, but realized that this was really a
Speaker 1: fail attacked, major tactical failure. So Young Cain has has
Speaker 1: tried to reverse this. But yeah, it's going to be
Speaker 1: it'll be a very interesting one. And then also maybe
Speaker 1: Young can And the reason we say that he wants
Speaker 1: to focus on abortion is because his aligned pack made
Speaker 1: a big ad buy on abortion and has been apparently
Speaker 1: them and these national anti abortion groups have been pushing
Speaker 1: candidates to really talk about it and really include it
Speaker 1: in their messaging. So we know this has been a
Speaker 1: big push for him. But then the other question is
Speaker 1: like how much does that matter versus the national climate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know you so you've had a few things.
Speaker 1: I mean, for one thing, as we just covered with
Speaker 1: the polls, like it's not going over a Joe and
Speaker 1: the Democrats doesn't look that great. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: you also just had Republicans with this whole messy situation
Speaker 1: at the Speaker of the House that also didn't look
Speaker 1: great in terms of governance. So that's why these things
Speaker 1: are interesting from a national perspective because at this point
Speaker 1: so much of politics is national versus local. Whatever little
Speaker 1: strategy Glen Youngkin and the Republicans and the Democrats have
Speaker 1: in terms of the state of Virginia may be completely
Speaker 1: subsumed by just whatever the national mood is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: As we've always talked about, Virginia is such a nash
Speaker 2: and in many ways gets affected in a lot by
Speaker 2: these national elections because half the people who live in
Speaker 2: the North work for the federal government or they work
Speaker 2: for the federal government and are way more tapped in
Speaker 2: than the average person. I mean, these people are like
Speaker 2: constantly reading the news. The most impacted also love to vote,
Speaker 2: you know, as I said, so I put that together.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this and I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what the hell you were doing going all in on abortion.
Speaker 2: I think the Glenn Bucks was a better idea. I mean,
Speaker 2: even if we think about how did Glen Youngkin get elected.
Speaker 2: He convinced these Northern Virginia Karens to vote for him
Speaker 2: because of the school closures. That was a huge part
Speaker 2: of it, because of the economy and how it was awful.
Speaker 2: So what do you do? You should do that again.
Speaker 2: You should keep talking about the you know, the economic cycle.
Speaker 2: Lean into I cut you guys at two hundred dollars check,
Speaker 2: We're gonna unleash you know, more jobs or whatever in Virginia.
Speaker 2: Talking about social issues in a state that's like Biden
Speaker 2: plus eight or something like that just seems like the
Speaker 2: dumbest possible thing.
Speaker 1: But not to mention some of the key seats here,
Speaker 1: both of our the House of Delegates and the state
Speaker 1: Senate are in like Louden County, right, You're in.
Speaker 4: Like the excerbs.
Speaker 1: Exactly the type of voters that would you know, maybe
Speaker 1: swayed by the school closure argument, but Baby sway in
Speaker 1: the total opposite direction by like, hey, let's do more
Speaker 1: abortion restrictions. What do you think, guys, So probably, in
Speaker 1: my personal opinion, probably not the smartest strategy from mister
Speaker 1: young kid. I just want to throw out there a
Speaker 1: couple of the other big elections that are happening tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're going to cover some more of these tomorrow with
Speaker 1: I believe we have j. Miles Coleman who's coming in
Speaker 1: to give us a full breakdow On. You do have
Speaker 1: a few governors races. The most interesting to me are Kentucky,
Speaker 1: where you've got Democrat Andy Basheer, who's actually really quite
Speaker 1: popular in the state, but it's still Kentucky, so that one,
Speaker 1: and he's up against a Republican named Daniel Cameron who's
Speaker 1: the current ag so that one will be really interesting.
Speaker 4: And then it's almost the flip.
Speaker 1: You have a very unpopular Republican and Ryan Grimm's dappleganger,
Speaker 1: Tate Reeves down in Mississippi, who's caught up.
Speaker 4: In the whole Brett Fires scandal.
Speaker 1: You guys will remember facing a relative of Elvis Presley.
Speaker 1: Now I think Reeves is very likely to win. Most
Speaker 1: of the polling indicates it is, but there was an
Speaker 1: internal poll that showed it more or less tied, so
Speaker 1: that one is kind of interesting. There's an abortion initiative
Speaker 1: on the ballot in Ohio that would enshrine the right
Speaker 1: to the right to abortion in the state constitution.
Speaker 4: That one is very interesting.
Speaker 1: In Ohio, we had some early indications we covered previously
Speaker 1: that seemed like the pro choice position was sort of
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly winning. There there's one in Maine that I'm also
Speaker 1: really interested in, where they want to change their utilities
Speaker 1: to be owned by the public. So some little burcheening
Speaker 1: potential socialism there in Maine that has caught my eye
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 4: So there's there's a lot.
Speaker 1: There's other legislatures up on the ballot as well, so
Speaker 1: there's a lot to dig into. So we'll get into
Speaker 1: some more of that with j Miles school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to do that, especially the Kentucky one.
Speaker 2: I think that guy's going to run for president someday,
Speaker 2: but he probably should.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like him and Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at those two guys and like both of
Speaker 2: these guys are angling for the presidents.
Speaker 1: Andy Bisheer I know him a little bit personally because
Speaker 1: I used to live in Kentucky.
Speaker 4: Very nice man, charisma not there.
Speaker 3: It's popular, the popular.
Speaker 4: But he is, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like been very smart in terms of
Speaker 1: how he's conducted himself and he's really leaned into and
Speaker 1: this might surprise people, but now, like being pro labor
Speaker 1: is extremely popular. It has always been popular in Kentucky absolutely,
Speaker 1: which is quite a populist state. Cole They have the
Speaker 1: Kentucky Truck Plant, like one of the big Ford truck
Speaker 1: assembly plants is in Entucky. They just won some of
Speaker 1: those new big battery plants. So there's big economic initiatives
Speaker 1: that Andy's been taking credit for. But again it's still Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and this is a state that has moved, you know,
Speaker 1: very far to the right. Daniel Cameron, I think has
Speaker 1: a real shot at it. Polls are sort of like
Speaker 1: notoriously really wrong in the state of Kentucky. So even
Speaker 1: though all the polls have showed Andy Basheer with a
Speaker 1: significance at times double digit lead over Daniel Cameron, you
Speaker 1: just never know there until election day. And the last
Speaker 1: thing I'll say on this one and then we can
Speaker 1: wrap up here. But Kentucky was a real bell weather
Speaker 1: in terms of the election of Trump, and you had
Speaker 1: a Democrat just before Trump is like in twenty eight fifteen,
Speaker 1: you had a Democrat who again was up in the
Speaker 1: polls consistently, consistently, consistently, every thought he basically had it
Speaker 1: in the bag. You might think that's strange, but Kentucky
Speaker 1: has voted for Democrats at the state level, like for
Speaker 1: a long time, and the Republican, this kind of brash
Speaker 1: businessman named Matt Bevin, came out of.
Speaker 4: Nowhere to win that election.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking the polls were showing consistent double digit
Speaker 1: leads for the Democrat, and that really sort of was
Speaker 1: a canary in the coal mine for Trump. So anyway,
Speaker 1: none of this is a guarantee of what the future
Speaker 1: may hold. But it's always better to hear and see
Speaker 1: what voters are actually feeling and how they're actually voting.
Speaker 1: I put a lot more stock in that than what
Speaker 1: the polls are saying, especially at this point.
Speaker 4: So I will watch it really close.
Speaker 3: It'll be fun.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see it. All right, Thank you guys
Speaker 2: so much for watching. We really appreciate it. We'll have
Speaker 2: a great show for everybody tomorrow and we will see
Speaker 2: you all that