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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, it is a Monday. We have a

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Speaker 1: What do we have pristal Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: breaking updates of course coming out of Israel that we

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Speaker 1: will get to, including a not very successful trip of

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Speaker 1: our Secretary of State Tony B.

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Speaker 4: Lincoln over there. We also have former President.

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Speaker 1: Obama weighing in in the most possible Obama way, so

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Speaker 1: we'll react to that at our own Griffin and Mac

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Speaker 1: going on in what message they want to convey. Bombshell

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Speaker 1: in five out of six swing states. Some of the

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Speaker 1: you as well. Also a stunning revelation that the US

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Speaker 1: It's also a story that really caught Soccer's attention about

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Speaker 4: What stage of capitalism is this side?

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Speaker 2: This is the latest of the late stage. I'm genuinely

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Speaker 4: It's also just a huge political week.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we've been really focused, for understandable reasons,

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Speaker 2: Indeed, they were take their weekend to go to a protest,

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, all right, let's get to the very latest

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Speaker 2: No, the Ohio class submarine is one of the most

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Speaker 2: So it is a very very clear signal to Iran

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in our arsenal to that point, each one of

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Speaker 1: I mean, this humanitarian pause thing is basically like what

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Speaker 4: We really need to get food and water in.

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Speaker 1: We really need to be able to evacuate people for

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Speaker 1: And people who have been you know, pushing for a ceasefire,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And it's also, as Blink and

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Speaker 1: as long as the overwhelming, indiscriminate bombing of hospitals and

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Speaker 1: give them a little pr cover to extend this thing,

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Speaker 1: which is exactly why Egypt and Jordan were so you know,

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Speaker 1: And the Israelis, on the other hand, they see through

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Speaker 1: going to be conditional. You've already told us you're going

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Speaker 1: Why should we listen to you.

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Speaker 2: The only way I think I would be like on

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Speaker 2: basically you can go back and roll the tape where

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Speaker 2: You're going.

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Speaker 3: To kill a ton of civilians.

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Speaker 2: In terms of your actual military degradation of Hamas, there's

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Speaker 2: when the US military would conduct operations against Isis, every

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Speaker 2: the briefing room Operation Inherent Resolve, They're like, here's what

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Speaker 2: and this area of Mosl was retaken. Now, the Israelis

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Speaker 2: have not been doing this actually at all. It really

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Speaker 2: is shocking to now think of the Pentagon as being transparent,

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Speaker 2: confirmed all that many Hamas targets. Many of their operations

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Speaker 2: they're not telling us exactly what they're doing. Everyone's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: you know in war, that's not what you do well

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Speaker 2: They were very clear after every single operation, really, here's

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Speaker 2: trying to retake this the grand strategies to destroy isis.

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Speaker 3: This is how contributes to the overall goal.

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Speaker 2: And we would have, you know, lieutenant colonel or whatever,

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Speaker 2: all of that, and what we find out in Afghanistan, Oh,

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Speaker 3: He killed like five of his kids. And that happens

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Speaker 2: And that was with great intelligence, with great you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, they have to be and should be in

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Speaker 2: They should be conducting themselves or trying to achieve that

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Speaker 2: we're not going to fight that way at all. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: if there was a humanitarian posit that could restore any

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Speaker 2: military objective here? They say it's to destroy hamas. On

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Speaker 2: the other hand, many of their actions read as collective punishment.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's really saying anything out loud, so it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: a lot of things out loud, right, but what are

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Speaker 2: Do we bomb until we stop bombing? Because now what

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Speaker 2: Now We're in a worse situation, arguably.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely and less safe for everyone, less safe, like you know,

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Speaker 1: with what they are doing right now. And Sagrino, to

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Speaker 4: See how this doesn't add up?

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Speaker 1: I think if we're being honest about what the actual

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Speaker 1: that's just you know, an analysis of what they're doing

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Speaker 4: That's the other goal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm getting serious augment Talabi vibes off

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into all the history right now.

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Speaker 2: It's basically about who the US tried to install. Us

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Speaker 5: All.

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Speaker 2: The point is just that he is increasingly viewed as

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Speaker 3: Has a very very high approval rating.

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Speaker 2: So again, let's assume that you get to a scenario

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Speaker 2: But the quote is just American voters who are watching

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Speaker 2: You know, I was just looking at the photos Crystal

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Speaker 2: four hundred lives, thirty thousand wounded, two trillion in Iraq,

437
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Speaker 2: America's chief diplomat still has to show up twenty years

438
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Speaker 2: later in Baghdad at night, in secret, wearing body armor

439
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Speaker 2: to go in to meet the Iraqi president.

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Speaker 3: That's where we're at right now.

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Speaker 2: So just to show you again our track record of

442
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Speaker 2: doing this so well, twenty years later, you know, we've

443
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Speaker 2: got a government in Iraq, which you know, we don't

444
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: go into this all that often, but it is a

445
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,239
Speaker 2: nightmare what we have done to that country, how they

446
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Speaker 2: have ended up.

447
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Speaker 3: They're basically an Iranian proxy state.

448
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Speaker 2: And now our chief diplomat landing in the dead of

449
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Speaker 2: night in a secret trip, wearing the fake body armor

450
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: over a suit like Jared Kushner, like a j cru

451
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Speaker 2: model and all that, and having to take again, having

452
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Speaker 2: to take a helicopter to the having to take a

453
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Speaker 2: helicopter to go into meet with the Iraqi prime minister.

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Speaker 3: It's like things haven't changed. George W.

455
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Speaker 2: Bush landed on the ground there some twenty years ago

456
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Speaker 2: for his first presidential visit, when we were in the

457
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Speaker 2: middle of an active war. That tells you really everything

458
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Speaker 2: that you need to know about our own track record here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the last thing I'll say before we move

460
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Speaker 1: on to what increasingly is clear what the Israelis actually

461
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Speaker 1: want to do in Gaza after this offensive is complete.

462
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Speaker 4: Whenever that is the.

463
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Speaker 1: Case, you know, the White House realizes that this is

464
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Speaker 1: you know, this is a mounting political disaster for them,

465
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Speaker 1: and you've already got two thirds of the public that

466
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Speaker 1: wants to cease fire. You've already got eighty percent of

467
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Speaker 1: Democrats that want to cease fire. We're going to cover

468
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: some poll numbers that are terrible and are only getting

469
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Speaker 1: worse because you have young people, Arab Americans and Muslim

470
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Speaker 1: Americans who are disgusted with the Biden ministration's approach. And

471
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Speaker 1: the longer that this goes on, the more the horror

472
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Speaker 1: of October seventh fades, and the images that endure are

473
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Speaker 1: of these Palestinian babies and women and refugee camps and

474
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Speaker 1: hospitals and ambulances just being bombed with our complete support,

475
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Speaker 1: with our bombs. So they're trying to create some sort

476
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Speaker 1: of narrative of like, oh, we really tried, we really

477
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Speaker 1: tried to rate them in and you know it was

478
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Speaker 1: we did our.

479
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Speaker 4: Best, etcetera, etcetera. So they talk.

480
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Speaker 1: There's this sort of bizarre article in the Washington Post

481
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Speaker 1: where administration officials are leaking to them just you know,

482
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Speaker 1: how how they can't get anything done and they're really

483
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Speaker 1: working behind the scenes, but you know they just Israeli's

484
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Speaker 1: just won't listen to them, and we just really don't

485
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Speaker 1: have any leverage and it's once again this complete feigned

486
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Speaker 1: impotence because obviously, I mean the amount of money that

487
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Speaker 1: we give all of these countries, but Israel chiefly, but

488
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Speaker 1: you know, since it's off the table, to condition that,

489
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Speaker 1: to touch that, to even say a word about, you know,

490
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Speaker 1: even discriminating about what kind of weapons we're going to send,

491
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Speaker 1: they put that completely off the table. And then they're like, oh,

492
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Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. It's like, yeah, because you

493
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Speaker 1: took all of your leverage off the table from the

494
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Speaker 1: jump and advertise it to them from the jump, We're

495
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Speaker 1: not going to draw any red lines, We're not going

496
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Speaker 1: to condition support.

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Speaker 4: We're with you no matter what you want to do.

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Speaker 1: Even as you know, you've got ministers as we're about

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Speaker 1: to report on talking about Israeli ministers talking about hey,

500
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Speaker 1: maybe we should now Gaza and plans for ethnic cleansing

501
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: being intentionally leaked to.

502
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Speaker 4: The public, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we've gotten no leverage in the situation because

504
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Speaker 1: you decided you would take all of the leverage off

505
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Speaker 1: the table. And it just annoys me soberg to no end.

506
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Speaker 1: This like feigned impotence, which is the only thing. This

507
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: is the thing that they do in domestic politics, oh elementarian,

508
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Speaker 1: the Republicans.

509
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Speaker 4: It's just so hard.

510
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Speaker 1: We just can't do what we you know, I know

511
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: we would love to do these great things for you.

512
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: We just can't do it. And it's the same frickin

513
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: thing here. It was the same thing with Ukraine too,

514
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Speaker 1: which we're about to get to and they're changing their

515
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Speaker 1: tune there as well.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I was gonna say. It just reminds me

517
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Speaker 3: of Ukraine.

518
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Speaker 2: It's like when you set us a thing where you're like, no,

519
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: this partner, this person is our ally no matter what,

520
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: we're blood brothers, the whole, my whole thing. I've always

521
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Speaker 2: thought this, you should only bestow that status on maybe

522
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Speaker 2: one or two countries. To me, it's like the UK

523
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Speaker 2: in Australia, that's basically it. Everybody else in my in

524
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Speaker 2: my opinion, can eat it. And it's like we've got

525
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Speaker 2: to be very very transactional the issue for all of

526
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Speaker 2: these like Israel, Ukraine. You know, it's everything we refuse

527
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Speaker 2: to condition our aid. We just say you can do

528
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Speaker 2: whatever you want, and then where it's like a given

529
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Speaker 2: that we're just going to get dragged in next to

530
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Speaker 2: you now listen, you can be an ally. That's that's

531
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Speaker 2: the thing. It's fine then, but that means that there

532
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Speaker 2: is a trans actual relationship. I can guarantee you. In

533
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Speaker 2: Israel they have no qualms calling out the United States

534
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: whenever they feel like they're not getting taken care of.

535
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: They have absolutely they spy on us, They steal secrets.

536
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: You know, the open, dirty little secret in Washington is

537
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Speaker 2: that the biggest penetrator of the US government from spies

538
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: is Mosad. And then go look at people like Netanyahu

539
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: who went to go visit in Israeli spy in prison

540
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Speaker 2: and beg for his release and then welcomed him with

541
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: open arms after an openly turned trader to the US government.

542
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Speaker 2: It's like they're happily willing to look at this as

543
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Speaker 2: transactional for some reason, We're so stupid that we're not.

544
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Speaker 2: And this is not way bigger than an Israel problem.

545
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: This is a Ukraine problem, this's a Saudi problem. There's

546
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Speaker 2: so many different countries that come on, even an Egyptian

547
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Speaker 2: problem or Jordanian problems, Like we can't get these people

548
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: to do anything that we want because they think we're fools.

549
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Speaker 2: It's just you know, the humiliation just goes on and on.

550
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Speaker 2: But this is a bipartisan story unfortunately.

551
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get to what increasingly is clear what

552
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Speaker 1: Israel actually wants to do with regards to Gaza and

553
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 1: the Palestinians who live in Gaza.

554
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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

555
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Speaker 1: They have been quietly pushing for Egypt to admit large

556
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Speaker 1: numbers of Gazans. Let me go ahead and read a

557
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Speaker 1: little bit from this report. They say they've been trying

558
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Speaker 1: to build international support in recent weeks for the transfer

559
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Speaker 1: of several hundred thousand civilians from Gaza to Egypt for

560
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Speaker 1: the duration of its war in the territory. Israeli leaders

561
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Speaker 1: and diplomats have privately proposed the idea to several foreign governments,

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Speaker 1: framing it as a humanitarian initiative that would allow civilians

563
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Speaker 1: to temporarily escape the perils of Gaza for refugee camps

564
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Speaker 1: in the Sinai Desert just across the border neighboring Egypt.

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Speaker 1: The suggestion was dismissed by most of Israel's interlocutors, who

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Speaker 1: include the US and Britain, because of the rice that

567
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Speaker 1: such a mass displacement could become permanent. Some Israeli hardliners

568
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Speaker 1: advocate keeping control of Gaza and permanently expelling its Palestinian residents.

569
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Speaker 4: A Lacud lawmaker has.

570
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Speaker 1: Called for another Nakba that would quote overshadow the original

571
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Speaker 1: mass displacement in nineteen forty eight. Here's the quote from

572
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Speaker 1: that Likud lawmaker. Right now, one goal cold knock but

573
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Speaker 1: nap but in Gaza, and knock but to anyone who

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Speaker 1: dares to join. Another far right government minister said on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday that Gazan land should be given to former Israeli

576
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Speaker 1: soldiers who fought in Gaza, or to former Israeli settlers

577
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Speaker 1: who lived in the enclave before Israel withdrew in two

578
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Speaker 1: thousand and five. Video is also emerged of an Israeli

579
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Speaker 1: military officer calling for Israel to reoccupy Gaza, as well

580
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Speaker 1: as a separate video that shows a pop singer calling

581
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Speaker 1: for that reoccupation, prompting the approval of an audience of soldiers.

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Speaker 1: So they have been pushing, working behind the scenes to

583
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Speaker 1: try to convince Egypt. Hey just take a few hundred

584
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Speaker 1: thousand of these Gaza residents just for the duration of

585
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Speaker 1: the war. Pinky promise, We're totally going to take them back. Meanwhile,

586
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: their own government and affiliated think tanks are laying out

587
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Speaker 1: proposals for the permanent removal of Palestinians from Gaza, which

588
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Speaker 1: would be an ethnic cleansing, very clear textbook by the definition.

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Speaker 1: And so it's very hard for anyone to believe that

590
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Speaker 1: this evacuation would truly truly be temporary. Certainly, the Palestinians

591
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Speaker 1: don't believe it, the Egyptians don't believe it, the Jordanians

592
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Speaker 1: don't believe it. Even we don't even our dumbasses don't

593
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Speaker 1: believe it. So in terms of the United States government

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Speaker 1: and Tony Blincoln, so this is you know, becoming pretty

595
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Speaker 1: clear that this is what they're pushing for behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: And Saber, you know, in that report that came out,

597
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Speaker 1: which there was some suggestion that it was sort of

598
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Speaker 1: intentionally leaked as like a trial balloon, they even talked

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Speaker 1: about how they would overcome this type of initial opposition,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, basically, you create facts on the ground

601
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Speaker 1: where you have such a humanitarian catastrophe which is already unfolding.

602
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Speaker 1: You know, you have now residents of Gaza who are

603
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Speaker 1: living on two pieces of bread coming basically from the

604
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: un A day water is extremely scarce, no fuel. I mean,

605
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Speaker 1: you guys know the horror that is unfolding there. So

606
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Speaker 1: you create such a humanitarian catastrophe that it creates all

607
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Speaker 1: this pressure on Egypt in particular to take people in.

608
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Speaker 1: You already see them taking in some to a field hostile,

609
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: very small numbers at this point, and you make it

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Speaker 1: so that there really is no feasible alternative, like what

611
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: is the feasible alternative? So I think that's the direction

612
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Speaker 1: that they continue to push on, both in terms of

613
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Speaker 1: their private negotiations and in terms of these public trial balloons,

614
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Speaker 1: and you know, in terms of very clear statements from

615
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Speaker 1: these aren't fringed people who are saying openly, hey, let's

616
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Speaker 1: call for the Nakpa. These are members of the governing party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where I think that the US power

618
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: actually could be the most exerted where they're going to

619
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Speaker 2: Israel and they're like this is a red line. They're like,

620
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Speaker 2: if there's any discussion of this in the official government,

621
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Speaker 2: you're nuking it.

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Speaker 3: It's not happening.

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Speaker 2: That's for conditional aid, is same thing for Egypt, or

624
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Speaker 2: like we're going to set up a safe zone, not

625
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: a single person has to be worrying about ethnic cleansing.

626
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Speaker 3: Everybody's going to be able to return.

627
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Speaker 2: We can have some sort of military operation, We can

628
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: negotiate the battlespace, the military objective and all of that,

629
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Speaker 2: and that is how we keep a cap on a

630
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Speaker 2: major regional war.

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Speaker 3: Instead, we're not doing any of that.

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Speaker 2: And I would point actually to that shocking comment that

633
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Speaker 2: came from Egypt five days ago, which is starting to

634
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Speaker 2: make a hell of a lot more sense.

635
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Speaker 3: When he said, quote quote, we.

636
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Speaker 2: Are ready to sacrifice millions of lives to ensure that

637
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Speaker 2: no one encroaches upon our territory.

638
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Speaker 3: That was the Prime Minister of Egypt, and it.

639
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Speaker 2: Was said with look, Caesi didn't say it, but he

640
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: definitely was ordered to say it, or it was conditioned

641
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: and it was greenlit by the Egyptian government. And at

642
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: the time there was some eyebrows then started, you know,

643
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: we started seeing inklings about Israeli plans and all that.

644
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: But now it seems that this was you know, actually

645
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: asked and pushed for behind the scenes to the Egyptians

646
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Speaker 2: and explains initially also why ceci so rejected Anthony Blinkoln

647
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Speaker 2: in that initial October eighth and October ninth visit when

648
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: Blincoln was like, hey, maybe we opened up.

649
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Speaker 3: The sun and Caesar was like, absolutely not. Hell no,

650
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Speaker 3: I'm not doing it.

651
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Speaker 2: At the time, even people can probably go look, I

652
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know why they're not doing it.

653
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Speaker 2: Now it all starts to make a lot more sense.

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Speaker 2: And it's because also again we can allay these fears,

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Speaker 2: we could.

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Speaker 3: Tell these railies. We're like, this is not gonna happen, period,

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Speaker 3: end the story.

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Speaker 2: Never, we will never live with this as a red

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Speaker 2: line for US policy. If it's even openly discussed, an

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Speaker 2: AID and all that is not going to happen. But

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Speaker 2: you know, in this environment, which is basically a vacuum

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Speaker 2: of these Raelies get to do basically what they want,

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Speaker 2: and then the Egyptians even I don't even know if

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Speaker 2: we have proper relations at this point, you know, can

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Speaker 2: the President Biden can even get CC on the phone.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're not going to believe a word that we say.

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Speaker 2: So the trust deficit is actually making things way more

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Speaker 2: unstable in the region. And that's again the prosper for

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Speaker 2: regional war increases on behalf of that.

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Speaker 1: I also just have to comment on I guess what

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Speaker 1: you would call a historical irony of the Jewish Israeli

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Speaker 1: government trying to push a stateless people to wander in

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Speaker 1: the Sinai Egyptian desert indefinitely. Like I said, I think

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Speaker 1: you might call that a historic irony to speak to

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Speaker 1: some more of the just, you know, utterly extreme genocidal

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Speaker 1: like open like advocation for advocation, that's not a word anyway,

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Speaker 1: advocacy for ethnic cleansing coming out of the Israeli government.

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Speaker 4: Our great allies who we have.

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Speaker 1: Drawn zero red lines for, made it really clear we're

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Speaker 1: not drawing any red lines. Go ahead and put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. This was from Bezalielsmotrich, who is

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Speaker 1: the Israeli Finance minister, so he's a cabinet minister. He

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Speaker 1: said on Israeli TV quote, I don't see a big

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Speaker 1: difference between Hamas and the Palestinian authority. Palestini authority of

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Speaker 1: course in charge of the West Bank. The Arabs are

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Speaker 1: the same Arabs. Okay, So this puts into context what

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Speaker 1: has been going on in the West Bank that we

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Speaker 1: broke down for you last week in Counterpoints. Off also

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Speaker 1: covered extensively massive escalation in violence in the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: Jewish settlers aided in a majority of the cases directly

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Speaker 1: by the IDF pushing Palestinians off of their land, killing

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Speaker 1: over one hundred just in the time period post October seventh.

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Speaker 1: So while this war has been while this war has

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Speaker 1: been raged being waged on Gaza, you have over one

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Speaker 1: hundred Palestinians in the West Bank being murdered there as well.

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Speaker 1: So he's laying out the groundwork here. For hey, Hamas

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Speaker 1: is not just Gaza. We see the West Bank. We

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Speaker 1: see the people who run the West Bank as being

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Speaker 1: basically the same as Hamas the quote Arabs are the

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Speaker 1: same Arabs. So it gives you insight into the thinking

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Speaker 1: of some of the coalition partners and one particular cabinet

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Speaker 1: minister in the net Yahoo government. And so this is

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Speaker 1: what we mean when we say this is the most

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Speaker 1: extreme government that Israel has ever had in their history.

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Speaker 4: And just to add one war.

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Speaker 1: That I referred to before, go and put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen, another far right minister saying that quote

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Speaker 1: nuking Gaza is an option population should quote go to

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Speaker 1: Ireland or the deserts. This was in an interview local

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Speaker 1: interview where this minister was he's the Heritage minister was

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Speaker 1: suggesting that some kind of nuclear bomb could be dropped

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Speaker 1: on Gaza. He was asked the question, you know whether

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Speaker 1: this would be a good idea, and he said, quote,

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Speaker 1: that's one way. He also voiced his objection during the

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Speaker 1: interview to allow any humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying quote,

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't hand the Nazis humanitarian aid and charging that

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Speaker 1: there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: This is exactly the type of.

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Speaker 1: Dehumanizing rhetoric that throughout history has been used to justify genocide,

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Speaker 1: because if there are no uninvolved citizens, there are no

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Speaker 1: innocent civilians, then hey, no problem to just wipe them

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Speaker 1: all off the map. He goes even further, He backs

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Speaker 1: retaking the strip's territory and restoring the settlements there. Asked

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Speaker 1: about the fate of the Palestinian population, he says, quote,

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Speaker 1: they can go to Ireland or deserts. Monsters in Gaza

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Speaker 1: should find a solution by themselves. He says the Northern

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Speaker 1: Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian or Hamas flag should not continue living on.

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Speaker 4: The face of the earth. This is a.

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Speaker 1: Government minister who is saying these things and who again

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Speaker 1: we have said, no red lines, no matter what, do

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Speaker 1: what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's again, I just can't come.

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Speaker 2: I can't help but come back to the way that

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Speaker 2: we are apparently just not even we're not talking to

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Speaker 2: Netayahu about this, or they are not listening, or a

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Speaker 2: little bit of both. In every respect, I mean, none

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Speaker 2: of this is helpful in any way.

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Speaker 3: It's also funny. I think we were talking about this Crystal.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons he got in trouble, this minister

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Speaker 2: is for admitting that Israel has nuclear weapons, right, which

742
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Speaker 2: they're not supposed to admit, even though they obviously do.

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Speaker 2: You should also go look, I was talking a little

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Speaker 2: bit about spying and stealing technology from the US. You

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Speaker 2: should go look into the history of how they acquire

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Speaker 2: those US weapons. Are those nuclear weapons very very interesting

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Speaker 2: for behavior for an ally, But that's something that we

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Speaker 2: could put aside. The point I think just for all

749
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Speaker 2: of this is that the open calls within Israel are

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Speaker 2: bolstering the worst claims of Hamas and of Palestinians, giving

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Speaker 2: them the power to enforce their ideology and their governance.

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Speaker 2: We're protecting you against these It's also inflaming the tensions

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Speaker 2: of our allied Arab and or Turkish countries in the region,

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Speaker 2: which are saying openly look at what they are saying.

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Speaker 3: We cannot abide by this.

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Speaker 2: So, with all that trust deficit, the US, by basically

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Speaker 2: being caught in the middle here is making it so

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Speaker 2: that we have very little authority to exert over the conflict,

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Speaker 2: which just means more uncertainty and more chaos and more

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Speaker 2: prospect for Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we've got former President Obama weigh in on.

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Speaker 2: This in words that nobody asked for. President Barack Obama,

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Speaker 2: former President decided to weigh in in the most Obama

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Speaker 2: fashion ever on Israel pales sign Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: If there's any chance of us being able to act constructively,

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Speaker 7: to do something, it will require an admission of complexity

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Speaker 7: and maintaining what on the surface may seem contradictory ideas

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Speaker 7: that what Hamas did was horrific and there's no justification

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Speaker 7: for it. And what is also true is that the

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Speaker 7: occupation and what's happening to Palestinians is unbearable. And what

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Speaker 7: is also true is that there is a history of

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Speaker 7: the Jewish people that may be dismissed unless your grandparents

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Speaker 7: or your great grandparents, or your uncle or your aunt

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Speaker 7: tell you stories about the madness of anti Semitism. And

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Speaker 7: what is true is that there are people right now

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Speaker 7: who are dying who have nothing to do with what

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Speaker 7: Hamas did. And what is true right, I mean, we

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Speaker 7: can go on for a while. And the problem with

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Speaker 7: the social media and trying to TikTok activism and trying

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Speaker 7: to debate this on that is you can't speak the truth.

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Speaker 7: You can pretend to speak the truth. You can speak

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Speaker 7: one side of the truth, and in some cases you

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Speaker 7: can try to maintain your moral innocence, but that won't

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Speaker 7: solve the problem. And so if you want to solve

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Speaker 7: the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth,

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Speaker 7: and you then have to admit nobody's hands are clean,

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Speaker 7: that all of us are complicit to some degree. I

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Speaker 7: look at this and I think back, what could I

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Speaker 7: have done during my presidency to move this forward? As

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Speaker 7: hard as I tried, I've got the scars to prove it,

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Speaker 7: But there's a part of me that's still saying, well,

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Speaker 7: was there something else I could have done? That's the

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Speaker 7: conversation we should be having, not just looking backwards but

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Speaker 7: looking forward, and that can't happen if we are confining

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Speaker 7: ourselves to our outrage. I would rather see you out

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Speaker 7: there talking to people, including people who you disagree with it.

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Speaker 7: If you genuinely want to change this, then you've got

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Speaker 7: to figure out how to speak to somebody on the

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Speaker 7: other side.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, all right, Okay, lots to say.

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Speaker 2: If anybody wants to know why I viscerally hate Barack Obama,

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Speaker 2: that's actually probably the best clip because you could look

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Speaker 2: at it one way, and this is on most liberals do.

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Speaker 3: They're like, what an eloquent man.

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Speaker 2: He's able to summarize the both sides and bring it holistically.

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Speaker 2: It's so nuanced. A it's not nuanced, but Bae, he

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Speaker 2: literally was the president. He had the power. He actually

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Speaker 2: at one point had the ability to change these circumstances,

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Speaker 2: and he hemmed and he had and he did.

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Speaker 3: Exactly what you talked about previously.

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Speaker 2: He's like, well, you know, it's like we just my

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Speaker 2: hands were tied and all of this, and there's so

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Speaker 2: many different things you know, from the Middle East and

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Speaker 2: so many other policies that he pursued that actually did

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Speaker 2: help us get to where we are right now. It's

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Speaker 2: funny you could look at it from a right angle

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Speaker 2: and a left angle actually to give both the pathways

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Speaker 2: to creating this situation. But most importantly, that is such

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Speaker 2: a helpless and effectless way to look at it because

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Speaker 2: it takes power away from basically every person who is

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Speaker 2: involved in the situation. And so that is why I

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Speaker 2: truly despise Barack Obama, because, in my opinion, he was

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Speaker 2: smart enough to know better, and he was a good

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Speaker 2: enough politician to actually try and to change some of

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Speaker 2: these systemic problems that he talked very eloquently about two

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Speaker 2: thousand and six to two thousand and eight, and by

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Speaker 2: nine basically just washed his hands, gave up, and now

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Speaker 2: he's an Instagram president. Him and his wife are Netflix brands.

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Speaker 2: They're not even human beings now at this point.

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Speaker 3: This is a perfect example.

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Speaker 2: This is calibrated to keep his Netflix deal in his

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Speaker 2: dumbass National Park series, not to actually do anything. That's

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Speaker 2: what is that's the guiding north star of his life

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Speaker 2: at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mister content creator, personal brand dude has a lot

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Speaker 1: of goal to be castigating the TikTok activists for not

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Speaker 1: presenting a wholesome picture to his liking.

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Speaker 4: And that was the point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have a million things to say about this,

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Speaker 1: but that was the part that to me was the

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Speaker 1: most enraging and also the most classic Obama, rather than

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Speaker 1: you know, digging in on what you could have done

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Speaker 1: when you were president, which she gives a nod. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I think about maybe what could I have done different?

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Speaker 1: But really the problem is all of you people out

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Speaker 1: there on TikTok, and maybe you need to just get

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Speaker 1: out there and talk to someone who disagrees with you,

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Speaker 1: or maybe Barack Obama. You could get on the phone

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Speaker 1: to your buddy Joe Biden and actually exert some influence

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Speaker 1: on someone who has some real power to change the situation,

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Speaker 1: rather than just lecturing young people about being on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a part that's so irritating to me.

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Speaker 1: Is he says, he has this quote, you have to

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Speaker 1: admit that all of us are complicit to some degree.

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Speaker 3: It's like you more than us, maybe.

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Speaker 1: But only one of us was president of the United

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Speaker 1: States for eight years. Okay, so and only one of

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Speaker 1: us is besties with the current president of the United States,

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Speaker 1: by the way, so perhaps some of us are more

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Speaker 1: complicit than others of us. That's the part that like

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Speaker 1: most enrages me. The other thing is it's just so

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Speaker 1: classic Obama too. It's the same like red state blue

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Speaker 1: state formulation, you know, where he has to go out

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Speaker 1: of his way to It's classic nuanced trolling too. Like

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Speaker 1: this is like the definition of nuanced trolling, which listen,

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Speaker 1: No one is going to deny the history is complex.

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Speaker 1: There are a million podcasts that I recommend you listen

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Speaker 1: to or books you can read to really understand the

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Speaker 1: ins and outs of the deals that were crafted and

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Speaker 1: rejected and who rejected them and why and how we

871
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: got to this you know, strange situation to begin with,

872
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: and you know, the all the events that unfolded, there's

873
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: no doubt that that is all very complex. But also

874
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: the current situation is actually not that complex. The immediate

875
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: situation is there is mass civilian death, huge indiscriminate bombing,

876
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: and the risk of a huge regional, if not world

877
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: war on the table. Those pieces are actually not complex.

878
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't need you to nuanced troll over that. I

879
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: don't need you to wring your hands about how difficult

880
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: and how complex it is, et cetera. Because actually some

881
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: of the both geostrategic pieces here and the moral pieces

882
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: are very very clear. So that's why I find all

883
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: of that so irritating and so enraging. And this man

884
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: never pops up to do anything useful whatsoever. The only

885
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: thing he really cares about is like burnishing his own

886
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: legacy and trying to preserve his own legacy. But in

887
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: terms of actually like pushing policy or pushing the very

888
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: powerful people that he has tons of sway with in

889
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: any sort of positive direction, he's got nothing to say

890
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: about everyone.

891
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: He said it's technically true. It's like, yeah, it is

892
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: technically true. You can't have a full picture on TikTok.

893
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: It is technically true that everyone, at some point or

894
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: every US policymaker, I would say, is I would argue

895
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: I would have.

896
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: Seen some tiktoks that were more illuminating than what he

897
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: just said right there.

898
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, he's like, you can't tell the whole picture,

899
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: you can't getbos I agree. I mean, I agree that

900
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: much of a modern online discourse is cancerous, but I

901
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: also am always reminded that that discourse is equally cancerous,

902
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: and it's helplessness.

903
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: It's a powerlessness.

904
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: It's the ability to try and to suage the feelings

905
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: of liberals without actually doing anything. That was the if

906
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: you want to really know what he invented more than anything,

907
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: it was that it was the celebrity president, the man

908
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: who does nothing. And you often hear that, You're like,

909
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: he was the most eloquent president we ever had, and

910
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: it's always like, is that eloquence, Because real eloquence, real

911
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: power was the ability to combine rhetoric and the actual

912
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: force behind it to the force of action for wards

913
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: and to translate into something he never actually mastered the

914
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: second part. But we are all so you know, we're

915
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: also anxious to be led by such a great man

916
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: that we're willing to just like forget what real leadership

917
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: is supposed to look like.

918
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: Anyway, I can go on forever as people could see.

919
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: This is something that sticks deep for me with Barack Obama,

920
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: and it's good to see absolutely nothing has changed on

921
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: his front.

922
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next part here.

923
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: There were some major protests here in Washington calling for

924
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: a ceasefire. Our team was actually there on the ground.

925
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: We have some images that we can show you before

926
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: we actually throw to some of the interviews our team

927
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: was able to.

928
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: These ones were not by the way from our team,

929
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: the ones pulled from the internet. But we just wanted

930
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: to give you a sense of the size and.

931
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: Scale up right. Yeah, you can see just how big

932
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: it is.

933
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 2: The time lass footage of hundreds of thousands of people

934
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: were in Washington. You can see palsing and flag, you

935
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: can see people that were standing. We are told it

936
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: was a very very diverse crowd by our team and

937
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: they were able to conduct a lot of interviews. So

938
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: why don't we take a listen and see what they

939
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: found out for us?

940
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 8: All Right, it's Mack here with breaking points just at

941
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 8: the National March here in Washington, d C. For Palestine.

942
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: It's absolutely massive.

943
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 9: We're here to lend the voice the Palestinians and Graza

944
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 9: to tell them that we hear you. We're here to

945
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 9: express your thoughts to the leadership in the White House

946
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 9: and in Congress to stop the genocide and stop the

947
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 9: killing and come up to peaceful resolution.

948
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 10: I came out here because my family and Kaza can't.

949
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 10: I came out here to raise awareness of what's going

950
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 10: on in Palestine, what's been happening in Palestine and to

951
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 10: raise our voices and let people know that we do

952
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 10: not want our money going to this war, to this genocide,

953
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 10: this apartheid.

954
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 11: As a Jewish person raised with Jewish values, proudly Jewish,

955
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 11: I refuse to have my identity hijacked by Zionism. Zionism

956
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 11: is a genocidal, secular nationalist movement that has nothing to

957
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 11: do with the Jewish values that I grew up with.

958
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 11: Ethnic cleansing and genocide are not Jewish values. Our pain

959
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 11: as Jewish people, our trauma, even the trauma from October seventh,

960
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 11: is being hijacked to justify long term plans to completely

961
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 11: ethnically cleanse Gaza. So we have to stand against it.

962
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 12: We see the US is funding a genocide. So this

963
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 12: is our opportunity to show that this is enough. Enough's enough,

964
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 12: We're have enough. I've had enough. I'm just some regular

965
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 12: old American guy. I mean, I have no connections to

966
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 12: Israel or to Palestine, to anything, but I see that

967
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 12: this is just about humanity.

968
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of talk in the press that

969
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: these are hate marches, so I wanted to see for

970
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 2: myself if there was a lot of.

971
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: Hate out here. Have not seen any hate yet. If

972
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: I see any hate, I will report background.

973
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 13: My first cousin's son with his family were bombed in

974
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 13: their own house and they were killed. Now tell me

975
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 13: how am I going to look my cousin in the

976
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 13: eye and give her microndolences when she knows and I

977
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 13: know that her son and his family were killed with

978
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 13: my tax dollar, with my money, And how can I

979
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 13: sleep at night? Would you be able to sleep at night?

980
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 4: And this happened to you?

981
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 13: Now, that's the problem here, That's what I face every

982
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 13: single day.

983
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 14: We are human beings, and these are babies, brother, and

984
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 14: forget how about the ones that are not dying right

985
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 14: that now got to suffer and they're traumatized for the

986
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 14: rest of their life. They're watching their parents decapitated, Their

987
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 14: limbs are gone, their homes are gone, they.

988
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: Have nowhere to go.

989
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 14: It's literally an outdoor prison, right and at least in

990
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 14: a regular prison, eventually you might get out.

991
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: Over there, there's no getting out.

992
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 7: I don't know how many more they're gonna kill before

993
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 7: they just wipe out the whole.

994
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: Group. So it's to me, it's ethnic cleansing.

995
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: And I'm here and I'm against that. My tax dollars

996
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 4: going to support that.

997
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 8: What do you think of Joe Biden's handling of this

998
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 8: so far?

999
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: I think this is a lot.

1000
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 12: He has a lot to deal with this because his

1001
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 12: strong he is such a strong attachment to Israel that

1002
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 12: he has no way to back out. Now he is

1003
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 12: now fully involved with this genocide thousands of civilians. The

1004
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 12: blood is on his hands.

1005
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 15: Now there's a whole generation that are gonna be raised

1006
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 15: worth nothing but hate in their hearts because what Israel

1007
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 15: has done to their their families, and their friends and

1008
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 15: their communities. I mean, we're creating thousands of people that

1009
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 15: are gonna hate.

1010
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 5: We need to stop and have a sea spire right now.

1011
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 8: What do you think of Joe Biden's handling of all

1012
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 8: of this so far?

1013
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I support him because I don't want Trump,

1014
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 5: but I'm very bothered that he isn't calling for a seaspire.

1015
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 8: Are you gonna withhold your vote from Joe Biden?

1016
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 4: Yes, i am. I'm not sure hown buddy for will

1017
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 4: be Joe Biden, gotcha. Yes, I'm very very disappointed.

1018
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 10: I voted for him in the last election because I

1019
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 10: felt he was the lesser of two evils, and he's

1020
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 10: just proven that he is the most evil one hundred

1021
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 10: percent going to vote for somebody else. I'm looking for

1022
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 10: an independent party that supports the liberation of Palestine.

1023
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 14: Oh Joe, who's Joe Biden. He's not handling anything. At

1024
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 14: the end of the day, He's just a puppet. That's

1025
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 14: what we feel like he's talking about. I don't believe

1026
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 14: in the numbers of how many Palestinians died and just

1027
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 14: it's all just to distract everybody for what's happening.

1028
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 11: Men, the US cannot give aid to UH to countries

1029
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 11: that commit war crimes. How could I vote for Biden? Now,

1030
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 11: I mean Trump is a fascist, but how could I

1031
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 11: vote for Biden? My my partner has family and Gaza.

1032
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 11: You told me, who how could I vote for him?

1033
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 4: Do the job?

1034
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 16: Well, he cannot. He cannot finish the job. He cannot

1035
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 16: do anything. He cannot accomplish anything. All our taxes he

1036
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 16: just burned it. He's just killing people with children, and

1037
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 16: it's children.

1038
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 9: This is a grated channel right up to you. So

1039
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 9: I think he's being insensitive to the views of the

1040
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 9: other people, to the Palestinian people, his one sided view

1041
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 9: save Israel and without serious consideration on the happenings in Gaza.

1042
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 8: What do you think of other Americans who may be

1043
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 8: a little bit hesitant to support the Palestinian cause, or

1044
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 8: they think it's a really complex issue.

1045
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: What would you say to them.

1046
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 12: I get it because we want to be careful with

1047
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 12: our words and we want to be careful of who

1048
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 12: we support. But this is not This is the fact.

1049
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 12: The facts are that we have thousands of civilians dead.

1050
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 12: They're being murdered. This is a genocide. This I get

1051
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 12: that we want to be careful, but this is we've

1052
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 12: gotten to a point where you can't be careful anymore.

1053
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 12: He's fired. Now, it's all stopped the genocide. It's all

1054
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 12: the same message. We're all in this together. Just listen

1055
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 12: to your fellow.

1056
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 11: Human I think if you're Jewish in the US, if

1057
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 11: you're a taxpayer in the US, it's especially important to

1058
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 11: speak out because your voice matters more to the people

1059
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 11: that are perpetrating ethnic cleansing in your name.

1060
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 14: We love Jews, We're standing with the Jews. It's desion,

1061
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 14: it's desiring. If that we're against okay, and has that

1062
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 14: we love you. We're here for you. You're in our prayers. Well,

1063
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 14: Loh we can do more. We will be there for you.

1064
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 10: There are Palestinians that need freedom. My family, I love

1065
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 10: you so much and we're here for you.

1066
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: Oh that was pretty shocking, actually, just to see so

1067
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: many people. They did a good job elucidating different response.

1068
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: They got some Jewish Americans, they had some Palestinian Americans,

1069
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: they had some Arab Americans asking, they're the most interesting

1070
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: question there.

1071
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: Of course, are you gonna withhold your Joe vote? From

1072
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: Joe Biden?

1073
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: Not a lot of positive responses there for the president.

1074
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: The one lady the most honest, She's like, I voted

1075
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: for him because he wasn't Trump, but now I'm not sure.

1076
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: So look, we should also all be honest. Let's be real.

1077
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: Let's look at the polling. Most American support Israel. Younger

1078
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: Americans they don't support Israel or they're mostly like a

1079
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: wash on the issue. They have thirty percent some approval

1080
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: for the Palestinedion cause, but it's like seventeen percent for Israel.

1081
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: Everything else is don't know, but the vast majority people

1082
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: who are older, especially who are going to vote their

1083
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 2: Israel supporters. However, this is a powerful contingent in American politics.

1084
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: If you're thinking of things as razor thin and something

1085
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 2: that is a major theme. I think of our coverage recently,

1086
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: Crystal has been the threat that RFK Junior, Cornell West

1087
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Speaker 2: and other third party candidates could face Joe Biden. So

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Speaker 2: on that front, I don't think that there's any question

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Speaker 2: that this is going to be a potent political force

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Speaker 2: in that it can swing when the margins are only

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Speaker 2: one to two percent that we're talking about and this,

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not going to say this is

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Speaker 2: twenty percent.

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Speaker 3: Maybe five five is enough. Five can swing.

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Speaker 1: These are the largest anti war protests that we've had

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Speaker 1: since the Iraq War, for sure. I don't even think

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Speaker 1: it's close. And you know, I try to look at

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00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: estimates very hard to get estimates of like exactly how

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00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: many people were at this particular march the largest so

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Speaker 1: the people who organized it said it was three hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: Other reports said at least tens of thousands. The New

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Speaker 1: York Post had a source who said around one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: You can see from the video it was a lot

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Speaker 1: of friggin people. Okay, mac and Griffin did a fantastic

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Speaker 1: job getting a cross section of the folks that were there.

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Speaker 1: You have young people, you have you know that one

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Speaker 1: lady just seems like kind of like a typical liberal,

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Speaker 1: you know, who was out there and just like disgusted

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Speaker 1: with what she sees unfolding in the news. You have

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Speaker 1: people with direct connections to the region, the one woman

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Speaker 1: who says she has family members who she knows who

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Speaker 1: lost loved ones in Gaza. So you really get a

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Speaker 1: sense of, you know, the breadth of the coalition that

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Speaker 1: is really standing in favor of a ceasefire. And I

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Speaker 1: think to your point taker about the polling, you know,

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Speaker 1: it really depends on how you ask the question, because

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00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: you have two thirds of Americans already who say we

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Speaker 1: want a cease fire, and that's what this march is

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Speaker 1: calling for. So in that way, even though obviously the

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Speaker 1: people who are going to show up at a protest

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Speaker 1: like this is an activist, engaged group of people, but

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Speaker 1: they actually reflect the overwhelming majority of Americans with regards

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Speaker 1: to their demand for a ceasefire. If you're talking about Democrats,

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Speaker 1: it's actually eighty percent of Democrats who support the demand

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Speaker 1: that is being made at this march of a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: Eighty percent of Democrats, and this is why this is.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously, you know, the moral issues for me

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Speaker 1: are paramount, but it's a huge political issue for Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden because he needs young people to show up and

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Speaker 1: vote for him and believe that he is the lesser

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00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: of the two evils and bother to go to the

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00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: polls on election day. And if you look at all

1133
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: of the polls that come out, there is such a

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Speaker 1: massive generational divide. And we've also seen in terms of

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00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: Arab American opinion, I mean, the way that his support

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00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: in the Arab American community has fallen off a cliff

1137
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: is really I can't think of a similar polling demographic

1138
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: plummet that we have ever witnessed.

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Speaker 4: And this is something that.

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Speaker 1: We talked to Jim Zobbie about last week in terms

1141
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Speaker 1: of his views and his perspective on the issue. So

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Speaker 1: you know, it's quite extraordinary to see this many people

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00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: in our nation's capital and reflective of also marches that

1144
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: we're seeing all over the world with the very same demand,

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00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: which is a ceasefire. Now, the last thing that I

1146
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: really noted saga, which I thought was interesting as you

1147
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Speaker 1: had a number of people bring up the fact that

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Speaker 1: part of what compelled them to be there was that

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00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: they felt that since this was our taxpayer dollars that

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Speaker 1: were being used to support these actions by Israel, it

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Speaker 1: gave them a special sense of responsibility to lift their voices.

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00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: And I think that is an incredibly important dynamic of

1153
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: this because sometimes what you hear is like, oh, why

1154
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: do you care so much about this issue? And you know,

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00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,479
Speaker 1: why aren't you spending more of your time talking about, like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Hamas release the hostage, which they one hundred percent should

1157
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: do well. Part of it is because our taxpayer dollars

1158
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: aren't going to support Hamas. They are going overwhelmingly to

1159
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: support Israel and including this, you know, additional fourteen billion

1160
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: dollars that they're trying to secure for more weapons to

1161
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: our great ally Israel. So that is part of why

1162
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: the American people feel, I think, a special responsibility to

1163
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: lift their voices in protests when they see our taxpayer

1164
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Speaker 1: dollars going to support something that we, you know, a

1165
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: majority of public opinions says we wildly stand against. And

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Speaker 1: that's before you even get into the risk of escalation,

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00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: the risk of the broader war.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, I think it's a totally fair

1169
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: points or you know that any American citizen, especially if

1170
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: who's talking about this from a taxpayer perspective, I think

1171
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: that's totally legitimate and it's fair, and that's something that

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Speaker 2: I get very annoyed. People were like, oh, everybody is

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00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: anti Semitic? Who sans? Were there some nasty signs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean there's nasty signs like every protest you ever

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00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: been to a protest before. That doesn't mean that they're

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Speaker 2: necessarily representative. That applies to a Trump support too, just

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Speaker 2: by the way, And that's exactly my issue is we're

1179
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: seeing like an erosion of free speech norms, We're seeing

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Speaker 2: an erosion of the discord. The discourse has never been

1181
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: more poisonous than I've ever seen in my life, just

1182
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: around these around these things, maybe the Iraq war, I

1183
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: guess wasn't old enough to participate, but all the pieces

1184
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 2: are in place, you know, to try and crack down

1185
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: on some sort of dissent. But that is a potent

1186
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: reminder that this is certainly not going anywhere. And sure,

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00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, the Iraq protest didn't stop the war, but

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00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: it was a preview of what was to come and

1189
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: of the price to be paid. In five six and

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Speaker 2: for the years to come of people who were skeptical

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00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: of the government from there on out. So I would

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Speaker 2: pay attention if I were the people who were in charge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed. And lastly we saw our own co host

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00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: Ryan Grimm Oh, yeah, that's right at the protests Ryan

1195
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Speaker 1: as well, checking things out.

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Speaker 3: And I'm so sure about that hat though, Ryan, and

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00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 3: that hat's go.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to talk about that hat. I'm

1199
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Speaker 1: calling I will censor that hat. But you know, he

1200
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: made a point online and also on a substack that

1201
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: I thought was a good one, which is we're kind

1202
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: of in the phase now of people starting to think

1203
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: about how is it going to look for me in

1204
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: the future, that I supported all of this. And you

1205
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: even saw Richie Torrez, who I don't know if you guys.

1206
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 4: Have been following.

1207
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Speaker 1: He's a Democratic congressman who has been going all in

1208
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: at war with Rashida to leave like fighting on behalf

1209
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: of Israel's right to do whatever they want, whatever they want,

1210
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Speaker 1: et cetera. And even he Sagur put on a statement

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Speaker 1: after the far right Israeli minister was like, hey, how

1212
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: about we knew Gaza. It was like, Okay, this is

1213
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: way too far. This guy needs to be fired. This

1214
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: is completely over the line. And I think that's consistent

1215
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: with what Ryan is talking about, is as these images

1216
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: continue to come out, as we continue to see the

1217
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Speaker 1: extent of the devastation. You can go look at the

1218
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: maps that are coming out of how much of Gaza

1219
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: has already been destroyed, of the suffering that all of

1220
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Speaker 1: this billions there are undergoing as we speak. The people

1221
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: are starting to think about, like, how in five years

1222
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: is this going to look for me that I was

1223
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: behind this this whole time. And you certainly see that

1224
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: in terms of the White House trying to you know,

1225
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: trying to put out there like oh, we're really trying,

1226
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 1: We're really trying, we really care about the civilians, et cetera,

1227
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: et cetera. So in any case, it's it was pretty

1228
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: extraordinary to see that many people coming out to the

1229
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: nation's capital to call for a ceasefire.

1230
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Speaker 4: And you know, even in like how.

1231
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: We feel about the state of our quote unquote democracy,

1232
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: even in the most repressive countries, they have to worry

1233
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: about public opinion, of course, like you can only stipe

1234
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: your descent so much. And I think this is only

1235
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: going to grow from here. All right, this is a good,

1236
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: good place actually to turn to politics on any.

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01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 4: Other day, week whatever.

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Speaker 1: This would be by far the biggest story that we

1239
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: started the show with. But some really quite eye opening

1240
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: polls coming out from the New York Times, the Liberal

1241
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: paper of Record put this up on the screen.

1242
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Speaker 4: They did polling of swing.

1243
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: States, and in five of those six swing states, Trump

1244
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: is winning. Leave us up on the screen so I

1245
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: can just go through all of the numbers years, so

1246
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: if people get a sense of what we're dealing with.

1247
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: In Nevada, Trump fifty two, Biden forty one. In Michigan,

1248
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: Trump forty eight, Biden forty three. In Georgia, Trump is

1249
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: up by six forty nine to forty three. In Pennsylvania,

1250
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: Trump is up by four forty eight forty four. In Arizona,

1251
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: Trump is up by five forty nine forty four. And

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01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,479
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, this is the one state where Biden's hanging

1253
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: on by his fingertips. He's winning forty seven forty five.

1254
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: I probably do not need to remind you that last

1255
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: time around, Biden won every single one.

1256
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Speaker 4: Of these states.

1257
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Speaker 1: That Nevada number should be really shocking to people, because

1258
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Speaker 1: I don't think Nevada even ended up being all that close.

1259
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: It's one of the state's Democrats have continued to perform

1260
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Speaker 1: well in even as some of the demographics there have tended.

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Speaker 4: To shift to the right. Let's go ahead.

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: I'll give you some of the details and that's how

1263
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: get your reaction. That we can show some of the

1264
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: additional polling graphics.

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Speaker 4: We have here.

1266
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Speaker 1: Part of what is driving this shift to Trump. Voters

1267
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: under thirty, some of those people that we saw at

1268
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: the march there now favor mister Biden by a single

1269
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: percentage point one point. Voters under thirty, key part of

1270
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: the Democratic coalition, favor Biden now by a single point.

1271
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: His lead among Hispanic voters is down to single digits.

1272
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: His advantage in urban areas is half that of Trump's

1273
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: edge in rural region. So he's still winning in urban areas,

1274
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: but it's not nearly like what Trump is doing in

1275
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: rural areas. Women still favor Biden, but men prefer Trump

1276
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: by twice as large a margin, reversing the gender advantage

1277
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: that has fueled so many Democratic gains in recent years.

1278
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: Let me throw one more at you. Black voters longa

1279
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: bullwork for Democrats and from mister Biden. The New York

1280
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: Times are now registering twenty two percent support for Trump

1281
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: in these states, a level unseen in presidential politics for

1282
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: a Republican in modern times. And I'll give you a

1283
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: quote from one of the respondents that they interviewed. Here,

1284
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: a guy named Spencer Weis's fifty three year old electrical

1285
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: substation specialist in Pennsylvania, says the world is falling apart

1286
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: under Biden. He backed Biden in twenty twenty, but he

1287
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: is now backing Trump, albeit with some reservations.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 4: I would much rather see.

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01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: Somebody that I feel can be a positive role model

1291
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: leader for the country. But at least I think Trump

1292
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: has his wits about him.

1293
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 3: Soger, Yeah, I think.

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01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 2: Look, and this is where even everyone always tries to

1295
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 2: make it about a certain thing. I actually think the

1296
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: single biggest problem for Biden is he's too old.

1297
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: Go and put this up there on the screen.

1298
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 2: Please see two share who think each candidate is too

1299
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: old from thirty four percent in twenty twenty to seventy

1300
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: one percent.

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 4: And we tried to tell you seventy summer, we tried.

1302
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: To tell you, Yeah, exactly. I remember actually getting a

1303
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: lot of hate mail about that, and we're like, oh,

1304
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: you're making fun of a man with the stutter. Oh yeah,

1305
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: it's just a magical stutter that reappeared whenever he turned

1306
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: seventy eight years old. Thirty four years old, thirty four

1307
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,959
Speaker 2: percent to seventy one percent of the American people only

1308
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 2: eighteen percent of thought about about Trump thirty nine percent. Now,

1309
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: by the way, thirty nine is still high, but I

1310
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: mean Trump is leading that by double digit margins. Now

1311
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: does not have the mental sharpness to be president. Look

1312
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 2: at that Biden figure. Twenty twenty was forty five percent

1313
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three sixty two percent.

1314
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 3: That's almost a super majority.

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01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: Trump's mental sharpness has actually gone down in terms of

1316
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 2: people who think that he doesn't have it and does

1317
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: not have the temperament to be president. This is probably

1318
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: the worst one for Biden because this is why a

1319
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 2: huge number of people voted for him. Yeah, thirty nine

1320
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 2: percent in twenty twenty said Biden did not have the temperament.

1321
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 3: Now it's fifty one.

1322
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: Trump had a fifty eight in terms of people who

1323
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 2: say he didn't have the temperament, and now it's fifty five.

1324
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 2: To be narrowly tied with Trump on the area where

1325
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 2: you most were able to succeed him in terms of

1326
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: I have the statesmanship, I have the temperament, I'm not Trump,

1327
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: which again, the vast majority of people who voted for Biden,

1328
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: whether they admitted it or not, did it because his

1329
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: name wasn't Trump, not because of anything that he was

1330
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: actually saying or wanting to do. This is the biggest,

1331
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 2: the core problem. Put the next one, please up there

1332
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 2: on the screen. Con goes into this, how Trump is

1333
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: fared now in the Times. In Siena polling four years ago.

1334
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: Four years ago, it was Democrats plus two for Joe Biden.

1335
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: Today it's Republicans plus five a named alternative.

1336
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: This is actually pretty interesting in and of itself.

1337
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: Like Elizabeth Warren in twenty nineteen, or Kamala still has

1338
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: Republican advantage, although Kamala actually appears to be faring slightly

1339
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: better than Joe Biden, which takes skill.

1340
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 4: How bad it's gotten now.

1341
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: For an unnamed generic democrat, they say Democrats plus three

1342
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: and Democrats plus eight, So generic Democrat and generic Republican

1343
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: actually both faring incredibly well in these weeks.

1344
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 4: Phillips love and that number.

1345
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's not.

1346
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: It's going to be Biden, and it's mostly going to

1347
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: be Trump, you know, barring some blackswan of course, which

1348
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: you know, could, of course happen, and we don't know

1349
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 2: what those look like. But on the path that we

1350
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: are today, we've got three hundred and sixty five days

1351
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: or so until election day, this is a blaring red signal.

1352
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 2: I saw Nate Silver say that too. He's like, look,

1353
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 2: the American people have been telling you for three straight years.

1354
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: He's too old. He's too old, he's too old. Hey,

1355
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: by the way, he's way too old.

1356
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 3: He's old old. Did you hear me? He's old?

1357
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: And Democrats are like, no, we're not gonna do a primary.

1358
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: We're not gonna do any of that. We're gonna start.

1359
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: Biden's gonna have to start going up the short stairs

1360
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: on Air Force One. We're just gonna cover it up

1361
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 2: as best as we can. People aren't stupid. Everybody knows

1362
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 2: somebody who is that old and has watched them decline,

1363
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: and it's just like, I don't know, man, you're gonna

1364
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: put him in charge of the nuclear submarines. You're gonna

1365
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,479
Speaker 2: put him in charge of the nuclear arsenal. It gives

1366
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: people a lot of pause. And then on top of that,

1367
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: can anyone deny that the vibes of biden presidency have

1368
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: been awful. It's like, you combine all these things, you've

1369
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 2: got Jimmy Carter levels of disapproval.

1370
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what shows us.

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01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: He's got the lowest presidential approval rating at this time

1372
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,439
Speaker 2: in his presidency since every president since Jimmy Carter, even

1373
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: George hw Bush and Bill Clinton. You know, all these

1374
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: people who did not fare all that well in the

1375
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: year or so before, they were doing better than Biden

1376
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: is right now.

1377
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: And you know what if people felt like their life

1378
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: was going great and it felt hopeful about the future,

1379
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: and then maybe they'd be like, hey, Grandpa, like he's

1380
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: lost his death, but I get to live with it. Right,

1381
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: It's fine, things are going pretty good. But people don't

1382
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: feel that way. They don't feel that way at all.

1383
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: And so, you know, one of the reasons why Democrats

1384
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: were able to do as well as they did in

1385
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: the midterms, one of the reasons why they've done so

1386
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: well in so many special elections is because of the

1387
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: overturning of Rowe versus Wade and the focus on social

1388
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: issues and the I would say real extremism, some may

1389
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: say perceived extremism of the Republican Party. But within this poll,

1390
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: nearly twice as many voters say that economic issues will

1391
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: determine their twenty twenty four vote compared with social issues,

1392
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: and those economic voters favored Trump by a landslide, sixty

1393
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 1: percent to thirty two percent. Now, I've been pointing out

1394
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: for a long time here that at the beginning of

1395
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: the Biden presidency, when he was doing a lot of

1396
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: stuff that was like manifestly helping a lot of people,

1397
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: including sending out checks and child tax credit and student

1398
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: loan forbearance, all of these sorts of things that made

1399
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: people feel like, all right, I'm getting by, I'm doing okay.

1400
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: Even as inflation started to spike, his approval rating was

1401
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: very high. Lo and behold, the story of his presidency

1402
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: has been pulling all of those things back, so that

1403
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: not only are Americans, even before we talk about inflation,

1404
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: in a worse economic position than they were previously and

1405
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: seeing all of these things that were helpful to them

1406
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: previously go away under a democratic administration, but then you

1407
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: also have, of course the specter of inflation, which has

1408
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: made it so that people are taking a pay cut

1409
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: month to month to month, and it's no surprise that

1410
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: folks are feeling like, hey, the economy hasn't been too

1411
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: great under you, buddy, This hasn't gone too well.

1412
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 4: I don't appreciate the decisions that you've made in this regard.

1413
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: So you have that, you have, of course, the perception

1414
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: and the reality that he is struggling just to complete

1415
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: the sentences, and you know, a sense of sort of

1416
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: listlessness and a sense that he doesn't really have control

1417
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: of the world around him. And then you've got, you know,

1418
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: the Ukraine War, and now you've got what's going on

1419
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: in Israel and Gaza. So I don't think anyone should

1420
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: be surprised that you see these kind of numbers coming

1421
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: out in swing states. It's been the writing has kind

1422
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: of been on the wall for a while. We talked

1423
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: last week about how much support RFK Junior is actually

1424
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: garnering at this point in the general election. In this

1425
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: poll from Quinnipiac, he's getting twenty two percent when it's

1426
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: a three way race, and that actually lifts Biden over

1427
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: Trump to thirty nine thirty six. And then Kennedy at

1428
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: twenty two. I would say this is maybe the one

1429
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: thing that could save Joe at this point. And I

1430
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: do think it is a little bit negligent that the

1431
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: New York Times didn't include Kennedy. I would personally, and

1432
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: they have the money to do this. I would want

1433
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: to do a head to head that's Biden and Trump,

1434
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: and I would want to do the Biden, Trump and Kennedy.

1435
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: It'd be good to have Cornell Wesson there as well,

1436
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: though I think there are a lot more questions about

1437
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: how whether he will have ballid access and whether that'll

1438
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: be a real choice going to the election. But would

1439
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 1: be good to have him there as well as a

1440
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: reference point, because when you're talking about a candidate who

1441
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 1: could potestially garner twenty percent of the vote, that in

1442
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: and of itself could completely change the dynamics. So I

1443
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: think that's maybe the one thing that the Biden team

1444
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: has got to be looking at with a little bit

1445
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: of hopefulness.

1446
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is where, look, I just gave the

1447
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 2: case against I personally, I think Biden probably will lose.

1448
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: If you were to ask me today one year ahead,

1449
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: you can make fun of me. You know, a lot

1450
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: of stuff can happen any here. I think at this moment,

1451
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 2: I think he's probably going to lose. But let me

1452
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: give the case for why I think he could win.

1453
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: What I would say is RFK Junior could absolutely save him,

1454
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: especially in the margins. All he's got to do if

1455
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: he's getting twenty two percent of the vote is shave off.

1456
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 2: I mean, all those margins in the swing states are eight, nine,

1457
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 2: ten percent at best. Yeah, that's not that much that

1458
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 2: he has to take. Let's say that he draws on

1459
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 2: averag more from Trump than he does from Biden.

1460
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 3: Boom, you're golden.

1461
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: So even though you're only getting thirty something percent of

1462
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: the vote in Michigan or something like that, you're still winning.

1463
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 3: So that a win is a win.

1464
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: That's how a guy like Bill Clinton, who only got

1465
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 2: forty two percent of the popular vote became president with

1466
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: three hundred some electoral votes in nineteen ninety two because

1467
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 2: of Ross pro So that they're you know, not unprecedented

1468
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: to see that type of situation. The other case is,

1469
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 2: let's be real, The New York Times Siena poll had

1470
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: all the Republicans in a red wave in twenty twenty two,

1471
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 2: and it was totally wrong. I mean they were off

1472
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: by almost five points. Democrats have overperformed in every single

1473
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: special election. Virginia is going to be a massive test

1474
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,839
Speaker 2: for abortion on the ballot. If Democrats overperform here again,

1475
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 2: then that's a blinking sign that, you know, just like

1476
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 2: Trump was able to get all of these like non

1477
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: college educated whites like crawl out of the woodwork who

1478
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 2: have never been pulled because they never voted before, abortion

1479
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 2: has been a very similar, you know effect on the electorate.

1480
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: So I would you know, look, I like I said,

1481
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 2: I think Biden will lose. I think it's like fifty

1482
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 2: five forty five, But I think that's a lot closer

1483
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: than some of the Trump people are trying to yeah,

1484
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 2: paint it as you know, forty five percent is you know,

1485
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 2: that's a better chance than Hilary had or sorry that

1486
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: Trump had.

1487
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 3: In terms of winning the election. You'd only a thirty

1488
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 3: percent chance.

1489
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,719
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing that Democrats will say, here's their

1490
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: cope at this point, which I think, you know, there's

1491
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: there's some real, uh some real justification here for their cope.

1492
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 1: They'll say that right now, all the focuses on Biden

1493
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: and his failures are what's going on with him in

1494
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 1: these wars and.

1495
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 4: The bad economy, et cetera.

1496
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: As we get into a general election, more focus will

1497
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: be on Trump and Trump. Yes, he's been indicted, but

1498
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,440
Speaker 1: he's going to have trials. He could be facing convictions

1499
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: and that could change.

1500
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:43,839
Speaker 4: The dynamics here. That's one.

1501
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: The other thing is they feel like, you know, some

1502
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: of these voters, they'd vote for Kamala Harris, but they

1503
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't vote for Joe Biden. They feel like those people

1504
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: are ultimately going to be persuaded to come home. They'll

1505
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: be convinced again that oh my god, we can't do

1506
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: four more years of Trump, and they'll suck it up

1507
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: and vote for Joe. That's what they think is, you know,

1508
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,879
Speaker 1: is going to ultimately happen. And like I said, especially

1509
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: with the specter of Trump facing criminal prosecution, potential potentially

1510
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: being found guilty and being sentenced, et cetera. That's what

1511
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: they're hoping for is that there's enough time between now

1512
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: and then that the dynamics could significantly shift that some

1513
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: of these young voters who you know are saying either

1514
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: they're going to stay home. It's not that they're really

1515
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: going to Trump, but they think they'll be brought into

1516
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: the fold eventually, so that's kind of what they're hanging

1517
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: their hat on. RFK Junior, I would say, is the

1518
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: real wild card here. And again I just want to say,

1519
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that RFK is going to be able

1520
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: to pull off twenty percent of the vote when it

1521
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: actually comes down to it, because typically support for third

1522
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: party candidates ends up collapsing as you get close to

1523
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: election day. But if I don't see how you can

1524
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: really justify just completely leaving him out of the analysis

1525
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: at this point, I just I just really think that that,

1526
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: you know, changes the landscape significantly. And I've long said

1527
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: right now, I think he takes more from Trump. I

1528
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: don't know if that will persist, especially as you do

1529
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: have so many young voters who are disgusted with Joe

1530
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: Biden over what's happening in Israel or unconditional support for Israel.

1531
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: So I think those dynamics could shift. And you know,

1532
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,839
Speaker 1: I really think one of the most undercovered political stories

1533
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: at this point is what's going on with him and

1534
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: the coalition that he is attempting to bring together. So

1535
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: that's something we want to keep our eye on.

1536
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally and completely agree with you, Chrissel.

1537
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: Developments in each side of Ukraine is shocking just to

1538
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 2: see how quickly sentiment in Washington has turned, and how

1539
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 2: quickly also when the blank check gets withheld for even

1540
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, all the knives in Ukraine and

1541
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: all the things that we knew that were true all

1542
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 2: began to come out. And now President Zelenski has taken

1543
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 2: to meet the press here in Washington, d C. To

1544
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 2: castigate Trump, to go after his own top general for

1545
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 2: admitting that their military is in a stalemate, and to

1546
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 2: basically act like some sort of resistance Twitter poster whenever

1547
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: he's talking about Putin. Here's what he had to say

1548
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 2: on our national television. Let's take a lesson. I hear

1549
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 2: you rejecting the characterization by your top general that this

1550
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: is a stalemate.

1551
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 4: Are you changing strategies?

1552
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 17: Yeah? I believe that today, indeed, the situation is difficult.

1553
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 17: I don't think that this is a stalemate. It's a

1554
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 17: it's a check on the on the on the part

1555
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 17: of the Russian army. But before that, we did a lot,

1556
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 17: We had done a lot, we weighed in a difficult situation.

1557
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 17: They thought that they would check made us but this

1558
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 17: didn't happen. And on the other on the contrary, we

1559
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 17: took the initiative in our hands. Now Russia wants to

1560
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 17: do to check us. They are attacking us in the

1561
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 17: east of our country while losing thousands of people and

1562
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 17: hundreds of units for pieces of weaponry.

1563
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 14: Because the war takes the best of us, the best heroes,

1564
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 14: the best man, woman, children, that's it.

1565
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 6: But we are not ready to give our freedom to

1566
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 6: this terrorists Putin.

1567
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 3: That's it. That's why we're all fighting. That's it.

1568
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 2: So that interview where he's like, Putin is an effing terrorist,

1569
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 2: you know. Again, as people compared him to Winston Churchill,

1570
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: it turns out that he's just like every Twitter user

1571
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 2: and she appears to be hanging out too often with

1572
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 2: Bill Crystal in terms of his discourse. But clearly he's

1573
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 2: on the back foot here and he's desperate in these interviews.

1574
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. It turns

1575
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 2: out we know why. It's because US and European officials

1576
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 2: have broached the topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, quote unquote,

1577
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: sources tell NBC News, and those conversations have included broad

1578
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to

1579
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 2: reach a deal with Russia. So here we are hundreds

1580
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars later, who knows how many hundreds

1581
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 2: of thousands of Ukrainian dead or wounded, and finally, with

1582
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 2: Russia holding twenty percent of all of Ukraine, something that

1583
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: we told was totally intolerable would never be accepted by

1584
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: the United States. With Ukraine, without Ukraine, all of that

1585
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: we are now saying, quote, some military officials have privately

1586
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: begun using the term stalemate to describe the current battle

1587
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: in Ukraine, with some saying it has now come down

1588
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 2: to which side can maintain a military force the longest. Wait,

1589
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 2: you mean, it wasn't like that from the very beginning,

1590
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 2: except it was, and all of us have been completely hoodwinked.

1591
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: The issue right here, Crystal, is that now we're all

1592
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: allowed to admit the truth that the Ukrainians are quote stealing,

1593
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,480
Speaker 2: like there's no tomorrow, that the military is in a stalemate,

1594
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 2: that behind the scenes, there is no military assessment for

1595
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 2: them ever to be able to accomplish these goals without

1596
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: drawing the United States into sort of massive war. That

1597
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 2: actually there are trade offs between Israel and Ukraine, and

1598
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 2: Taiwan and anything that the United States wants to be

1599
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 2: able to accomplish militarily, and that pushing Ukraine to negotiate.

1600
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 2: That doesn't make you a Russian sympathizer. That just makes

1601
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 2: you a realist, somebody who can look at this, somebody

1602
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 2: who wants to minimize humanitarian casualties civilian or civilian death,

1603
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: military death, and to restore some sort of peace and

1604
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 2: order and minimize the amount of chaos in the globe

1605
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 2: that might embroil the United States into a major war.

1606
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's like it's so on the

1607
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: one hand.

1608
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 2: I guess we should be grateful that we're like starting

1609
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 2: to get to this point. On the other hand, can't

1610
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 2: help but be furious for being castigated for over two

1611
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: straight years for saying all of these obvious things and

1612
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 2: being shouted at, denied, losing friends, I mean, losing paid subscribers,

1613
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 2: losing so many people, like repeating Russian talking points, and

1614
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: now the top Ukrainian general says it, and we're all

1615
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 2: supposed to just pretend like it was the case for

1616
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 2: the entire period. That part, I'm not sure I can

1617
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 2: ever forgive that one.

1618
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 4: Well, the part that I really can't forgive either.

1619
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: Is you know, this peace deal that was apparently pretty

1620
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: close to coming together at the beginning of this conflict,

1621
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 1: that could have short circuited all of this destruction and

1622
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: all of the lives that were lost in the civilian

1623
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: casualties and the brutality and all of this horror. And

1624
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind that whatever deal could

1625
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: could possibly be had. And that's, you know, assuming Russia's

1626
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: even interested in making a deal right now, when they're

1627
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: doing decently well in the battlefield and they know they've

1628
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: got the numbers on their side where Ukraine doesn't. But

1629
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 1: whatever deal could theoretically be made now, there's no doubt

1630
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be worse that what could have been

1631
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: had and what was more or less in hand at

1632
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 1: the beginning of this conflict, when there were diplomatic negotiations

1633
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: going on in Turkey that we were covering at the time,

1634
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: and that we have now since come to learn and

1635
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:58,560
Speaker 1: confirmed in multiple ways by multiple sources, that the US

1636
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: decided we did not want that deal, and we are

1637
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: the ones that caused this war to go on now

1638
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 1: for years at this point that I can never get over.

1639
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: But your rights Oger the way that it now just

1640
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: turns on a dime.

1641
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1642
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: Listen, we're about military genius this year, that's right, right,

1643
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: But it didn't take a military genius to see the

1644
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: way that this was likely to unfold. And so you know,

1645
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: all of the justification, all the way of like, oh,

1646
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: we can't even talk about giving up land, like that's

1647
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: just what you're just going to appease Putin And don't

1648
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: you know that he's exactly like Hitler? And so oh

1649
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: now it's okay to appease Hitler, yes.

1650
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 4: Or someone? What's changed?

1651
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: I thought he was literally Hitler Right now it's totally different.

1652
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: You can give him land and it's fine, and he's

1653
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 1: not going to take over all of Europe like you

1654
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: were trying to convince people what was going to happen?

1655
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 4: What changed here, guys?

1656
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: So it's it is such an example of the way

1657
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: that they gaslight, the way that they lie, the way

1658
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: that they crush any sort of descent. I mean, we

1659
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 1: privately had lawmakers talking to us about how sensitive this

1660
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: was and how they could not possibly stray from the

1661
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: script even a little bit without getting completely castigated and

1662
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: completely smeared.

1663
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 4: Et cetera.

1664
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's you know, it is no surprise that

1665
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: we ended up in this place, and it is an

1666
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 1: extraordinary tragedy that our policymakers, led by President Biden, brought

1667
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,799
Speaker 1: us to this place and enabled all of this loss

1668
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: of you know, innocent life.

1669
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what the great irony is Ukraine

1670
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 2: is probably going to come out of this even worse

1671
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: because now if you're Russia, you see the you see

1672
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 2: the military situation in Israel that's captured the rest of

1673
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,799
Speaker 2: the globe. You see American political support on the fence,

1674
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 2: trade offs and all of that becoming you know, trade

1675
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 2: offs becoming real. Your entire economy has been converted now

1676
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 2: to a war economy. Your political support doesn't seem to

1677
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 2: have taken much of a hit.

1678
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 3: Maybe you should negotiate.

1679
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 2: Maybe you should just keep pouring men into the you know,

1680
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 2: into the Abyss, and you can gain maybe ten percent

1681
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 2: more of Ukraine, five percent more of that, and then

1682
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: maybe you negotiate. It's very possible Ukraine will end up

1683
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 2: with less land and with even more dead after this,

1684
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: or they could fold entirely.

1685
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 3: That's very much also on the table.

1686
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 2: So they would have been better off in those opening

1687
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 2: days with a lot less spent on our part and

1688
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 2: a lot less dead on both sides than they could

1689
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 2: be at the end of this conflict, which again was

1690
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 2: something which was very obvious.

1691
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 3: From the very beginning.

1692
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 2: Last piece, let's put this fleas up on the screen,

1693
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 2: just to show you is in terms of the knives

1694
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 2: out inside Ukraine, the office of President Zelensky, as he

1695
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 2: did in that interview, went after their own top military

1696
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 2: commander for public publicly declaring the war as a stalemate

1697
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: and suggesting that his comments would actually help the Russian invasion.

1698
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: So there is open warfare at the highest ranks of

1699
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,839
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian political system. You've got the top military commander

1700
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: saying it's a stalemate. You've got Zelenski's own advisors admitting

1701
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 2: to massive corruption. You've got his former ai aids saying

1702
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: that he's a dictator who doesn't listen. I mean, all

1703
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: of this are the signs of a crumbling political.

1704
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 3: Support there at the top.

1705
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 2: So that's the other issue, where in terms of the chaos,

1706
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,440
Speaker 2: there ain't no elections right now in Ukraine.

1707
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 3: Nobody knows what the hell is going to happen there.

1708
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 2: We could have a full blown military coup tomorrow, and

1709
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: you know, nobody would batny in terms of what that

1710
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 2: would look like. And the civilian populace too, they're all

1711
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 2: also caught up in this, so well, look, who knows

1712
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: what could happen. It's but the I think it's not

1713
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 2: possible to deny this. The situation there will be worse

1714
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: than what would have been in a peace deal in

1715
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 2: the beginning.

1716
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 3: And you know, we should.

1717
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 2: You know, we were talking previously about how people want

1718
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 2: to compare their comments from the early days of the

1719
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 2: Israel situation to now.

1720
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 3: We should demand the same thing. Oh yeah, we should

1721
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 3: demand it. Yeah.

1722
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: Well, here's here's the last thing I'll say on this,

1723
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: since the US being humiliated seems to be the theme

1724
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: for the show today, we threw, we demanded that the

1725
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: entire world sacrifice for this conflict. We through the entire

1726
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: economic sanctions playbook that we had at Russia with very

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01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: middling results in terms of what we were able to

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01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: inflict there. Not that I even think that those sanctions

1729
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: work out in very rare circumstances, do they ever work

1730
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: out to begin with? And we basically through all of NATO,

1731
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: we're acting like this is a Ukraine versus Russia situation.

1732
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: But I mean the way that we, in the full

1733
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: force of NATO were really behind them. We're losing to

1734
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: this like third rate declining former superpower like once again,

1735
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: and we again pretended this whole time of all we

1736
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's this all up to Ukraine and we're

1737
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: just back and then we don't really have anything to

1738
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: do with it, et cetera, et cetera. And it's also

1739
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: becoming very clear that now the minute that we're ready

1740
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: to move on, and you know, it's the AID is

1741
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: a little bit trickier to obtain here in Washington. It

1742
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: also shows you how much control we had in the

1743
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:01,440
Speaker 1: conflict from the beginning. But you know, just a tragic,

1744
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 1: totally avoidable, devastating situation that has been enabled by almost

1745
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: such a large bipartisan majority. And every Democrat here in DC,

1746
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: every elected democrat here in DC.

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01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 2: Very true, Yeah, every elected Democrat You're right in terms

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01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 2: of their support for this war. Okay, let's go on

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01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 2: to the next part here. This is a story I

1750
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 2: feel very very passionate about, but actually reveals so much

1751
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 2: about the modern US economy, about credit card debt, about

1752
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: what the incentives are for major financial institutions.

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01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

1754
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 2: So the budgeting app Mint, which I personally have been

1755
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 2: using since two thousand and ten wow, is now shutting

1756
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: down and pushing its users towards Credit Karma.

1757
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 3: So let me explain a little bit.

1758
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: Mint is obviously one of the first personal finance budgeting apps.

1759
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 3: It was a revolution at the time.

1760
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: It was one of the premier parts of having the smartphone,

1761
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 2: right around the same time as Uber.

1762
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 3: It had people have real.

1763
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 2: Time access to their exact financial picture in terms of

1764
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 2: their assets, their liabilities, what the worth was, the updating transactions,

1765
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: you could set goals, you could see how far you

1766
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 2: were going.

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01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 3: It was one of the best.

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01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: Things that actually happened for a lot of people in

1769
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 2: terms of getting control of their financial picture. And it

1770
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:23,440
Speaker 2: has now and it's currently being used by millions of Americans.

1771
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 2: We don't know exactly the total number, but now in

1772
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 2: Mint was bought in two thousand and nine by into It.

1773
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 2: If you don't know what into it is, it's TurboTax,

1774
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 2: Quick Books. You know who else? They have Credit Karma.

1775
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 2: They have all these different companies that are under their umbrella.

1776
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,759
Speaker 2: And just like TurboTax. What they have learned by shutting

1777
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: down Mint and by bolstering their Credit Karma business is

1778
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 2: that the best way to make money is not helping

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01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 2: people be on a budget or even selling their personal

1780
01:26:56,120 --> 01:27:00,799
Speaker 2: financial data. It's to put you even to even more debt.

1781
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 2: And that is why it's so pernicious here, Crystal. They

1782
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 2: are moving people from Mint to Credit Karma. Credit Karma

1783
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 2: will not provide you the same budgeting features like being

1784
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: able to set goals and save towards different things and

1785
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: look at your categories. It will only give you your overall

1786
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 2: net worth picture or whatever. Now put this up there, please,

1787
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: because when you dig a little bit deeper into how

1788
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 2: they make any money, it all makes sense. Credit Karma

1789
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 2: has a revenue of one point six billion dollars. Whenever

1790
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 2: you dig into into it and its finances, that's actually

1791
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 2: down nine percent over the year. Do you want to

1792
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 2: know where that one point six billion came from. It's

1793
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 2: from looking at your credit score and from those pictures,

1794
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 2: and then ruthlessly pushing you to sign up for credit,

1795
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 2: for new credit cards and for personal loans and sending

1796
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: stuff to your house. Be like, hey, you've prequalified for

1797
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 2: this ridiculous personal loan. Just fill out this thing. Oh

1798
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 2: turns out, you know, the interest rates like ninety eight

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01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 2: percent or something else ridiculous, And that's how they make

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01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 2: their money by putting you even too even more debt.

1801
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 2: So the net effect of this for into it is

1802
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 2: they are killing one of the first genuinely innovative and

1803
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 2: best budgeting tools in the United States and instead switching

1804
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 2: you over to a system to sell you more personal

1805
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 2: loans credit card I put.

1806
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 3: You into more credit card debt.

1807
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's mind boggling, but it does just show you

1808
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 2: that's how they make money.

1809
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 3: They don't make money when you're doing well.

1810
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 2: People who are on a budget are going to be

1811
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 2: less likely to get into debt. So what do we

1812
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: do We put we take away their ability to budget,

1813
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 2: and you put them into even more debt. It's diabolical,

1814
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 2: like whatever. You see how it is, But it's just

1815
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 2: so naked. It's one of the most naked things I've

1816
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 2: ever seen, because so many millions of people rely on this.

1817
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 3: App, like I said, including me. I've been using it

1818
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 3: since I was in college.

1819
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 2: I found it so helpful, and so when I saw

1820
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 2: the news that it was shutting down, I was like,

1821
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 2: I can't believe this, especially when I saw that they're

1822
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 2: just pushing people more to credit Carma I which I

1823
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 2: remember signing up for credit Carma and like twenty ten, Yeah,

1824
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: just to get a real time picture of your credit score.

1825
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 2: That's not what they do now. Now they're just trying

1826
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 2: to do everybody's just trying to sell you loan. It's like,

1827
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 2: can anybody just help you keep track of how much

1828
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: money you are spending?

1829
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 3: No, they don't want you to do that. That's the

1830
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 3: gross part of this decision.

1831
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: Because I mean, debt is really how they sort of

1832
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: keep people online. They even say, I haven't used any

1833
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: of these services, so I wasn't really familiar with them.

1834
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: But on credit Karma's website, the way they describe, as

1835
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: they say, into its credit Karma uses your credit profile

1836
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: to show you curated recommendations.

1837
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

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01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 4: What does that mean?

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01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 1: That means we're going to try to you know, we're

1840
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: going to use your credit score and give you some

1841
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: tips on how to improve it so that we can

1842
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 1: send you even more loans, so we can try to

1843
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: get you an even more debt and be able to

1844
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: you know, make sure we can turn a profit off

1845
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, it makes all the sense in

1846
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,759
Speaker 1: the world. This is also the company, as you mentioned

1847
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 1: into it. They're the ones that do TurboTax, which has

1848
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: been caught. We've done coverage of this before. I mean

1849
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 1: the way that they they you know, violated government regulations

1850
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: about how they were supposed to go about doing this.

1851
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 1: It's just they've completely scammed so many consumers to the

1852
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: point that now actually some of this money that's being

1853
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 1: fought over, you know how Republicans want to use fourteen

1854
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: million dollars to take that away from the IRS to

1855
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: give to Israel and spy the fact that that actually

1856
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: would increase debt more because the more money you give

1857
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: for IRS agentscy, actually we're going to return on investments

1858
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: for wealthy tax value. It's anyway, putting that aside, some

1859
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 1: of that money was supposed to be going towards developing

1860
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 1: a free tax filing system, something that into it is

1861
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: of course wildly against and has spent all kinds of

1862
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: money on lobbyists to try to guarantee that this never

1863
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: comes to pass. So they are wrongdoers in so many

1864
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 1: senses of the word. But you're right, this is just

1865
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: completely completely naked, and you know, to go kind of

1866
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: bigger picture like debt has been weaponized throughout history to

1867
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: force sort of like compliance on people. I'll give you

1868
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 1: a couple of examples. One example is back when we

1869
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 1: were talking student loan debt relief, you actually had military,

1870
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: some people in the military coming out and saying, you

1871
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: can't do this because we're going to lose one of

1872
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 1: our biggest recruitment tools. If people don't have student loan

1873
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: debt anymore, how are we going to get anybody to

1874
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: join the military. So you can see the way that

1875
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: it compels a certain direction of a life there. Right now,

1876
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: you have reportedly Israel using Egypt's debt with the World

1877
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Bank to say, hey, if you take in all these

1878
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of refugees from Gaza, maybe you get

1879
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: some of your debt forgiven.

1880
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 4: That is not even the first time.

1881
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: That we have used Egypt's debt to try to force

1882
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: their compliance and their acquiescence to our foreign policy, which

1883
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: we did I think in the initial Gulf War back

1884
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 1: in the nineties as well. So in any case, debt

1885
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: on an individual level, on a state level, a company level, whatever,

1886
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: is very powerful and very often weaponized, and this is

1887
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: very clearly nefarious.

1888
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the book recommendation I ready years ago. It's called

1889
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 2: a debt. I just looked up the title The First

1890
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 2: five thousand Years by a guy named David Graeber. It's

1891
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 2: kind of a modern it's a different take on the

1892
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 2: way the evolution of money in finance.

1893
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 3: How it actually wasn't you know? For commerce?

1894
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 2: It was actually debt related purposes, and that was It

1895
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 2: includes some of the first writings of Sumerian texts. People

1896
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 2: keep asking me, They're like, what should I use? By

1897
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 2: the way, I don't know, So I've compiled the list.

1898
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 2: There are four appears recommendations that have been given to me.

1899
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 2: One is every dollar app that when Stave Ramsey's one

1900
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 2: is you need a budget. I think it's called wine

1901
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 2: app One is like Monarch money, and then the other one.

1902
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 3: Was Rocket money.

1903
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 2: So those are the four that were recommended. But you

1904
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,799
Speaker 2: know the issue with basically all of them have pluses

1905
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 2: and minuses. Some are premium products, as in you have

1906
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 2: to pay for it. That was one of the things

1907
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 2: about Mint is it was free. I mean, nothing is

1908
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 2: technically free, but some of them, you know, to unlock

1909
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 2: quote unquote premium features or whatever you have to pay

1910
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 2: an annual subscription fee. Some of them are connected to

1911
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 2: other multi billion dollar conglomerates and are basically making money

1912
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 2: the exact same way. It just happens to also let

1913
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 2: you do budgeting. But that's part of the issue, you know,

1914
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 2: in every one of these cases, there's a plus and

1915
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 2: a minus and for everyone being like, just use an

1916
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 2: Excel spreadsheet.

1917
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 3: They don't real time update. Okay, that's a pain in

1918
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 3: the ass.

1919
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a pain you want that ain't happening.

1920
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 2: Look, it's as easy as it is to do Apple

1921
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 2: pay and to pay for stuff to go into debt.

1922
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 2: It should be that easy to make sure you're not

1923
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 2: going into debt. That's what I think we all should

1924
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 2: be looking for. So I know a lot of people

1925
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 2: out there are struggling, especially you know, with this mint thing,

1926
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 2: because it was an integral part of my life for

1927
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 2: a lot of people just in their day to day.

1928
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: So to get it ripped away and just look at

1929
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 2: you and to just look so starkly into why exactly

1930
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 2: this is happening is just it hurts.

1931
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 3: It hurts. They are.

1932
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: We also want to talk a little bit about there's

1933
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: some really big elections this week. There are entire state

1934
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 1: legislatures that are up, There are governor's mansions at stake,

1935
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: there are a lot of interesting ballot initiatives, and we

1936
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: wanted to focus in today in particular on my home

1937
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: state of Virginia, where the governor's not on the ballot,

1938
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: so that race is not happening. But obviously you have

1939
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin right now, who really has to

1940
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: face of the Republican Party in Virginia, who had that

1941
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: against the odds victory over Terry mccollogist a couple of

1942
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: years ago. And let's put this up on the screen.

1943
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:16,879
Speaker 1: So the House and the Senate are up for grabs

1944
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 1: here right now. The Republicans have a narrow advantage in

1945
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: what's called the House of Delegates in Virginia, and Democrats

1946
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: have a narrow advantage in the state Senate. And what

1947
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 1: it looks like is probably Democrats have a decent path

1948
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: holding on to the state Senate. Republicans have a decent

1949
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: path to holding onto the House of Delegates, and that

1950
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: state Senate is really critical in particular because they've been

1951
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: sort of like a bulwark against you whatever Glenn Youngkin

1952
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and so they have stopped a lot

1953
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 1: of the legislation that he's been pushing forward. But the

1954
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 1: other piece of this Sacre that is really significant is

1955
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 1: Youngkin and the Republicans have decided to place a big

1956
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: bet on actually leaning into abortion messaging at a time

1957
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 1: when this issue has obviously been ba the complete disaster

1958
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: for Republicans. They push unsuccessfully earlier this year for a

1959
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 1: ban on abortions after fifteen weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions

1960
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 1: for rape incests in the life of the mother. Measure

1961
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: was blocked, as I said, by the Democratic majority in

1962
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: the state Senate. But they have actually put money behind

1963
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 1: talking about this fifteen week abortion ban. They believe this

1964
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,919
Speaker 1: is an appealing sort of middle of the road approach,

1965
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: and so rather than just trying not to talk about

1966
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 1: the issue whatsoever, they're actually leaning into it. Which is

1967
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 1: part of what makes this election so interesting that in

1968
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 1: the fact that Virginia is, oftentimes, because of these weird

1969
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 1: off yr elections that we have, is oftentimes kind of

1970
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: a bell weather for what's coming down in terms of

1971
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 1: the presidential politics in the national politics as well.

1972
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's why we need to watch it really closely.

1973
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm really curious, and I don't know what the hell

1974
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 2: Glenn is doing, because why would you make the election

1975
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 2: all about abortion the single most animating things like us? Yeah,

1976
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 2: and also we are in Virginia, dude, this is the

1977
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 2: full of the like the Karens of Karens in northern Virginia.

1978
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 2: These people crawl over broken glass to vote for abortion.

1979
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 2: It's like, what are you doing? I truly do not

1980
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 2: understand it. I did send you though, one of this

1981
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 2: letters that I got in the mail. I've pulled some

1982
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 2: of my friends. They also got it. It's we're calling

1983
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 2: it Glen Bucks. Where I'll read you a direct quote. Whenever,

1984
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 2: if you've filed for an income tax return in Virginia,

1985
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 2: here's what you get. You are receiving this rebate because

1986
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 2: Governor Glenn Youngkin recently signed a bill passed by the

1987
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Virginia Assembly giving taxpayers who filed tax

1988
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,560
Speaker 2: your twenty twenty two returns and have a tax liability

1989
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 2: a rebate of up to two hundred dollars for an

1990
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,799
Speaker 2: individual up to four hundred for a married couple filing jointly.

1991
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,719
Speaker 2: They send that directly to your house with a check

1992
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 2: for two hundred bucks beneath it. So it's obviously a bribe,

1993
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, in order to vote for the Republicans.

1994
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm not actually against it. There

1995
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 3: would be a better thing.

1996
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 2: From my investigation on where these Glenn bucks came from,

1997
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 2: it appears that some of it was COVID money that

1998
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 2: was appropriated to the state and they had extra.

1999
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 3: So what they decided to do.

2000
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 2: Is like, hey, let's just cut a check to everybody

2001
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:07,480
Speaker 2: who is in the entire state. So congratulations to everybody

2002
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,759
Speaker 2: who is a Virginia resident. Maybe that will have some effect,

2003
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that it was a colossal mistake

2004
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 2: to bet every to bet the house on abortion restrictions

2005
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: again in Virginia, in and off your elections. I mean,

2006
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 2: like many I think Matt Iglesis has said this. He's

2007
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,639
Speaker 2: like many upper middle class Democrats have like an elect

2008
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 2: like voting fetish, Like whenever it comes to special elections,

2009
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 2: they're like, there's nothing they love more than to vote.

2010
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 2: It's really like much more normal people who vote in

2011
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 2: presidential elections. Off, you're already you really have to be

2012
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 2: highly activated, and then these specials or not special these

2013
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 2: off your off your words, Like in Virginia, the least

2014
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 2: amount of people often voting those things. So anyway, this

2015
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 2: will be a bellweather at least in that regard for

2016
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 2: how animated people are whenever it comes to voting.

2017
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: There's another piece that's interesting about this, which is they

2018
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: are also trying to reverse the Trump era decline in

2019
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 1: Republicans voting early and by mail, so they've made a

2020
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 1: real concerted effort here. This is again reading from the ape.

2021
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: They say they're hoping for a boost for major investment

2022
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: in an initiative aiming to overcome GOP skepticism early in

2023
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: mail voting and get ballots banked before election day, and

2024
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 1: analysis by the nonpartisan Virginia Public Access Project found that

2025
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 1: six days out from the election, the share of early

2026
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 1: votes cast by likely Republican voters because Virginia doesn't have

2027
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: registration by party, has increased more than two points from

2028
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: last year, while the GP's share of mail votes is

2029
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: up by almost four percentage points.

2030
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 4: So it does.

2031
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 1: Appear like they were able to grab back some of

2032
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: the early vote. And this matters a lot just in

2033
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: terms of organized I mean, you can imagine, like if

2034
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 1: you've got your certain universe of voters that you're trying

2035
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: to turn out. If you've got this group that you

2036
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: can check off like they already went and voted, you

2037
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about them anymore. Then you're able

2038
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: to focus on bringing out those people that are more

2039
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 1: difficult and get them to the polls and call them

2040
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 1: and knock on their doors, set of a fly or

2041
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: whatever your strategy there is. So this was a tremendous

2042
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 1: advantage for Democrats in twenty twenty, in particular when Trump

2043
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: was you know, all about like, don't voterally, don't vote

2044
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 1: by mail, it's all rigged, et cetera, et cetera, that

2045
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: may have single handedly cost him the election. He has

2046
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: since even backtracked, yeah sort of half heartedly. Yeah, sort

2047
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: of half heartedly, but realized that this was really a

2048
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 1: fail attacked, major tactical failure. So Young Cain has has

2049
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: tried to reverse this. But yeah, it's going to be

2050
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 1: it'll be a very interesting one. And then also maybe

2051
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:33,639
Speaker 1: Young can And the reason we say that he wants

2052
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:37,679
Speaker 1: to focus on abortion is because his aligned pack made

2053
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 1: a big ad buy on abortion and has been apparently

2054
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 1: them and these national anti abortion groups have been pushing

2055
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,640
Speaker 1: candidates to really talk about it and really include it

2056
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: in their messaging. So we know this has been a

2057
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 1: big push for him. But then the other question is

2058
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 1: like how much does that matter versus the national climate. Yeah,

2059
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: and you know you so you've had a few things.

2060
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: I mean, for one thing, as we just covered with

2061
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 1: the polls, like it's not going over a Joe and

2062
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: the Democrats doesn't look that great. On the other hand,

2063
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,719
Speaker 1: you also just had Republicans with this whole messy situation

2064
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 1: at the Speaker of the House that also didn't look

2065
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: great in terms of governance. So that's why these things

2066
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 1: are interesting from a national perspective because at this point

2067
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: so much of politics is national versus local. Whatever little

2068
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: strategy Glen Youngkin and the Republicans and the Democrats have

2069
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: in terms of the state of Virginia may be completely

2070
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 1: subsumed by just whatever the national mood is.

2071
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2072
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 2: As we've always talked about, Virginia is such a nash

2073
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 2: and in many ways gets affected in a lot by

2074
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 2: these national elections because half the people who live in

2075
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 2: the North work for the federal government or they work

2076
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 2: for the federal government and are way more tapped in

2077
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 2: than the average person. I mean, these people are like

2078
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 2: constantly reading the news. The most impacted also love to vote,

2079
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 2: you know, as I said, so I put that together.

2080
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this and I'm like, I don't know

2081
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 2: what the hell you were doing going all in on abortion.

2082
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 2: I think the Glenn Bucks was a better idea. I mean,

2083
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 2: even if we think about how did Glen Youngkin get elected.

2084
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 2: He convinced these Northern Virginia Karens to vote for him

2085
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 2: because of the school closures. That was a huge part

2086
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 2: of it, because of the economy and how it was awful.

2087
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:11,719
Speaker 2: So what do you do? You should do that again.

2088
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 2: You should keep talking about the you know, the economic cycle.

2089
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,639
Speaker 2: Lean into I cut you guys at two hundred dollars check,

2090
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 2: We're gonna unleash you know, more jobs or whatever in Virginia.

2091
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 2: Talking about social issues in a state that's like Biden

2092
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 2: plus eight or something like that just seems like the

2093
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 2: dumbest possible thing.

2094
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 1: But not to mention some of the key seats here,

2095
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 1: both of our the House of Delegates and the state

2096
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: Senate are in like Louden County, right, You're in.

2097
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 4: Like the excerbs.

2098
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 1: Exactly the type of voters that would you know, maybe

2099
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 1: swayed by the school closure argument, but Baby sway in

2100
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 1: the total opposite direction by like, hey, let's do more

2101
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 1: abortion restrictions. What do you think, guys, So probably, in

2102
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: my personal opinion, probably not the smartest strategy from mister

2103
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 1: young kid. I just want to throw out there a

2104
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 1: couple of the other big elections that are happening tomorrow.

2105
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 1: We're going to cover some more of these tomorrow with

2106
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 1: I believe we have j. Miles Coleman who's coming in

2107
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 1: to give us a full breakdow On. You do have

2108
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: a few governors races. The most interesting to me are Kentucky,

2109
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 1: where you've got Democrat Andy Basheer, who's actually really quite

2110
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: popular in the state, but it's still Kentucky, so that one,

2111
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: and he's up against a Republican named Daniel Cameron who's

2112
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: the current ag so that one will be really interesting.

2113
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 4: And then it's almost the flip.

2114
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 1: You have a very unpopular Republican and Ryan Grimm's dappleganger,

2115
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 1: Tate Reeves down in Mississippi, who's caught up.

2116
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 4: In the whole Brett Fires scandal.

2117
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:29,679
Speaker 1: You guys will remember facing a relative of Elvis Presley.

2118
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 1: Now I think Reeves is very likely to win. Most

2119
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 1: of the polling indicates it is, but there was an

2120
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: internal poll that showed it more or less tied, so

2121
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 1: that one is kind of interesting. There's an abortion initiative

2122
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 1: on the ballot in Ohio that would enshrine the right

2123
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,440
Speaker 1: to the right to abortion in the state constitution.

2124
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 4: That one is very interesting.

2125
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 1: In Ohio, we had some early indications we covered previously

2126
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,600
Speaker 1: that seemed like the pro choice position was sort of

2127
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly winning. There there's one in Maine that I'm also

2128
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:01,800
Speaker 1: really interested in, where they want to change their utilities

2129
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 1: to be owned by the public. So some little burcheening

2130
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 1: potential socialism there in Maine that has caught my eye

2131
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: as well.

2132
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 4: So there's there's a lot.

2133
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: There's other legislatures up on the ballot as well, so

2134
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot to dig into. So we'll get into

2135
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 1: some more of that with j Miles school.

2136
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to do that, especially the Kentucky one.

2137
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 2: I think that guy's going to run for president someday,

2138
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 2: but he probably should.

2139
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like him and Josh Shapiro.

2140
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm looking at those two guys and like both of

2141
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 2: these guys are angling for the presidents.

2142
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:29,679
Speaker 1: Andy Bisheer I know him a little bit personally because

2143
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:30,919
Speaker 1: I used to live in Kentucky.

2144
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 4: Very nice man, charisma not there.

2145
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 3: It's popular, the popular.

2146
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 4: But he is, yeah.

2147
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like been very smart in terms of

2148
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: how he's conducted himself and he's really leaned into and

2149
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 1: this might surprise people, but now, like being pro labor

2150
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 1: is extremely popular. It has always been popular in Kentucky absolutely,

2151
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: which is quite a populist state. Cole They have the

2152
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:58,719
Speaker 1: Kentucky Truck Plant, like one of the big Ford truck

2153
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 1: assembly plants is in Entucky. They just won some of

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Speaker 1: those new big battery plants. So there's big economic initiatives

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Speaker 1: that Andy's been taking credit for. But again it's still Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: and this is a state that has moved, you know,

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Speaker 1: very far to the right. Daniel Cameron, I think has

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Speaker 1: a real shot at it. Polls are sort of like

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Speaker 1: notoriously really wrong in the state of Kentucky. So even

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Speaker 1: though all the polls have showed Andy Basheer with a

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Speaker 1: significance at times double digit lead over Daniel Cameron, you

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Speaker 1: just never know there until election day. And the last

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Speaker 1: thing I'll say on this one and then we can

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Speaker 1: wrap up here. But Kentucky was a real bell weather

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Speaker 1: in terms of the election of Trump, and you had

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Speaker 1: a Democrat just before Trump is like in twenty eight fifteen,

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Speaker 1: you had a Democrat who again was up in the

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Speaker 1: polls consistently, consistently, consistently, every thought he basically had it

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Speaker 1: in the bag. You might think that's strange, but Kentucky

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Speaker 1: has voted for Democrats at the state level, like for

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Speaker 1: a long time, and the Republican, this kind of brash

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Speaker 1: businessman named Matt Bevin, came out of.

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Speaker 4: Nowhere to win that election.

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking the polls were showing consistent double digit

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Speaker 1: leads for the Democrat, and that really sort of was

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Speaker 1: a canary in the coal mine for Trump. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: none of this is a guarantee of what the future

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Speaker 1: may hold. But it's always better to hear and see

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Speaker 1: what voters are actually feeling and how they're actually voting.

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Speaker 1: I put a lot more stock in that than what

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Speaker 1: the polls are saying, especially at this point.

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Speaker 4: So I will watch it really close.

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Speaker 3: It'll be fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see it. All right, Thank you guys

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Speaker 2: so much for watching. We really appreciate it. We'll have

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Speaker 2: a great show for everybody tomorrow and we will see

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Speaker 2: you all that