1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: It is time to get back to work. Welcome Birg Gang. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me. Of course, the 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: grind never stopped for the two of us players. They 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: are back inside the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center. Many, 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: to be honest, have been regular since the season ended. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: Monday began phase one of the offseason program. We've got 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: a chance to hear from the head coach, Jonathan Gannon, 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: Kaiser White, and Trean McBride. Plus, how important is the 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: upcoming draft for the Arizona Cardinals the twenty twenty four 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: draft class at Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven forty four 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: Pud to Baker, What Heart? 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: What Rent? This guy's unbelievable. 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast Visit Azycardinals 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: dot Com Slash podcast. 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: He's a ten am the five Pason again. 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 4: So more Hurry Magic Wow, here's Craig Griolo, So a 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: little bit more activity inside the building on Monday, and 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 4: the first giveaway is the. 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: Fact that the parking lot the players lot, it's darn 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: neil full, which we haven't seen for several weeks, and 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: it's a good sign that everything is somewhat back to normal, 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: LEAs as back to normal as it can be for. 26 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: An offseason, especially since this part of the off season 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: program with strength and conditioning is voluntary. It's optional. Players 28 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: are working out with the coaching staff. They're allowed to 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: be in meetings and in the meeting rooms with coaches, 30 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: can't be out on the field. Coaches can't be part 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: of the workouts. But it is nice that that you 32 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: only not saw, probably because you're so tall, you could 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: look over the gate and see that the parking lot 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: was full. And also hear from linebacker Chrizier right when 35 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: the media had a chance to talk with him Monday 36 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: afternoon that he was saying attendance was good. 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is voluntary. This is just phase one meetings, 38 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: weight route, weight work, conditioning, no on field work with coaches. 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: And you know, we've seen from experience that there have 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: been players in this building pretty much throughout since the 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: season ended, but this is now where everything kind of 42 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: really gets ramped up. And if you're paying attention to 43 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: the Cardinals social media feeds. Yes, Kyler Murray is here, 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: Trey McBride is here, Jonah Williams is here. So you're 45 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: getting some familiar faces some new faces as well, and 46 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: I think there is a different feeling even when you 47 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: hear from Jonathan Gannon, Kayser White and Trey McBride. Everything 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: was so new a year ago at this time. I mean, 49 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: not only had Gannon just arrived, his coaching staff had 50 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: just arrived, and I don't think a lot of people 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: knew what to expect from the coaches side and the 52 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: player's side. And now all of a sudden, you've got 53 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: a full off season, a year under your belt, and 54 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: it's not so much Hey, hello, my name is this, 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: This is what we want to do. We know what 56 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: we want to do now. 57 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: The strength and conditioning staff had a lot of changes 58 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 3: as well. I mean truly everything in this building got 59 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: a refresh last season. And Trey McBride was saying, it 60 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: feels like the first day school, but I already know 61 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 3: the teacher, so it feels a lot cooler coming into 62 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: the first day of school, which was funny because of 63 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 3: course McBride said it with the biggest smile on his face. 64 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 3: What was interesting to me to hear gan and talk 65 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 3: about the changes he's made from year one to year 66 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: two was really solidifying he is truly a player's coach. 67 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 3: When it was asked how much input he was taking 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: from players in any of the changes being made, he 69 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: said a lot. He said, if you want to know something, 70 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: you asked the players. And I love that because we've 71 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: heard so often in so many different scenarios. Gannon talking 72 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: about how not only holding himself and the coaching staff 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: available or accountable, rather but them doing that to themselves 74 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: as well and constantly wanting to learn and grow. Gannon 75 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: talked about the five different buckets. He has to make 76 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: sure that everybody is doing their part to lead this 77 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: team to success. The culture is still set and as 78 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: it stands, it's still team first mentality, doing everything you 79 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: can in your power on and off the field to 80 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: better the team. I just I like hearing that whatever changes, 81 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: he would not go into detail which makes shotl but 82 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: make shot there, but that he was taking into account 83 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: very heavily what the players were wanting out of this 84 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: this time in the off season programs and making those 85 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: necessary adjustments. 86 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: KG won't even say what the five buckets are. He's 87 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: referenced the five buckets now for two seasons and we 88 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: still have no We have no idea what these buckets are. 89 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: We could guess, but he's not even opened up the 90 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: door to that. 91 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: He's tight lipped. 92 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: But there's some things that are similar, some things that 93 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: have been tweaked, and then some things that have just 94 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: been completely changed. But again he didn't open up the 95 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: door for any of that. So we're just kind of 96 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: left to wonder. And I don't you know, it'd be 97 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: nice to know. Do we need to know? No, because 98 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all we need to 99 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: know is what you do on Sunday, Did you win, 100 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: did you lose? And then you can go back, Oh, yeah, 101 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: that's what we did in the offseason to get us 102 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: to this point to play meaningful football in December and 103 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: January and hopefully make a playoff run. 104 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think the way the season ended and honestly, 105 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: how competitive they were all season. I'm sure that this 106 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: staff was collecting notes the whole season and kind of 107 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 3: keeping tabs on things, and the players might not have 108 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 3: really been in the building the last few months. Up 109 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: until Monday of this week, the coaching staff has been 110 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: The coaching staff has been working hard on revamping things. 111 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: And that's not just plays out on the field. That's 112 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: also what's being done here at the practice facility, in 113 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: those meeting rooms and all of that. 114 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: And we heard Kaiser White mentioned that a year ago. Yes, 115 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: the coaches say this is what we want, this is 116 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: what we expect, and then the players take ownership of 117 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: that and then police themselves and really take over the program. 118 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: That's the culture that Jonathan Gannon wants. And we'll continue 119 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: here in year two. You brought up the work that 120 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: the coaches have done, and we all we have this vision, 121 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: this visual of coaches, you know, in their office watching 122 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: tape and with that clicker going back and forth and 123 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: just watching tape eight hours a day or meeting and 124 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: this and that. Gannon did open up the door and 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: let in the fact that with this new kickoff rule 126 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: that is coming up. It was your question, by the way, Danny, 127 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: that the coaches are actually on the field and Gannon's 128 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 1: words repping it as far as what Jeff Rodgers thinks 129 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: can be done should be done, and how, as Gannon said, 130 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: how can we make this an advantage for us, whether 131 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: it's coverage or return. 132 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: No surprise that Gannon was tight lipped about the five buckets, 133 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 3: and even less a surprise that Gannon got his hands 134 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: dirty and he was out there on the field with 135 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: his coaching staff going through what the new kickoff could 136 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: look like to get a better feel of what they 137 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 3: were allowed to do, what they could and wanted to 138 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: ask of their players. I love that. I feel like 139 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 3: it's such a jj thing of again being a player's coach, 140 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: and really wanted to make sure he's understanding how to 141 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: make this an advantage for the Cardinals, for the staff, 142 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: and for the players. I'd followed up that question with 143 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: how he envisioned roster configuration decisions changing, if at all, 144 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: of what type of players are you going to want 145 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: out there on kickoffs? He said, it doesn't necessarily see 146 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: that changing. It's probably more going to be just so 147 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: choosing the players you already have they are going to 148 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: be out on the field. Honestly, that might be the case. 149 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: This is also new that they probably won't have answers, 150 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: not even once you get a taste of it for 151 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks in the season, but until the 152 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: season is over and you can assess the entire year 153 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: and you're looking back on film and stuff. I think 154 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: it's going to be a situation where teams are learning 155 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: as they go throughout an entire season on what works 156 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: and what doesn't work. And now I'm definitely anxious to 157 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: get a chance to talk with Special teams coordinator Jeff 158 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: Rodgers on not only his thoughts on the rule change, 159 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: but his thoughts being out there on the field with 160 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: JG and having their hand in the dirt and getting 161 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: a feel for that. 162 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ken Rogers, open up that door and let us 163 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: know just how good of a return specialist Scannon is 164 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: or how he eludes blockers or Shed's blocks. 165 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: Scannon said he doesn't want to tackle anymore, but he 166 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: did make clear he could if he wanted to. 167 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: Well, let's again get Rogers. The only opinion that really 168 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: matters when it comes to this, but this whole idea. Okay, 169 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: you've got your kicker, you got the return specialists. Okay, 170 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: what are those other ten players on the field look like? 171 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: As far as the coverage? Do you want more athletic 172 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: guys to get away from someone that's in five yards 173 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: in front of you? And on the other end, do 174 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: you want maybe more physical guys that are as far 175 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: as on the return so you can hold blocks a 176 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: little bit longer. I mean, there is not a lot 177 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: of room between the coverage and the return unit. And 178 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: how you those ten players collide at the forty was 179 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: it thirty five forty yard line? And figure out? Okay, 180 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna have some breakaways. There are going to be 181 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: a number of long returns and hopefully some touchdowns for 182 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. But what type of player best suits for 183 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: your coverage? Do you want more safeties, more corner maybe 184 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: even some wide receivers. And on the flip side, do 185 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: you want more lineman perhaps if you're looking for that 186 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: coverage or that return. I mean, I have no idea, 187 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: but to your point, it's going to be fascinating and 188 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: figure out, all right, this is what we think we want. 189 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: Let's see it how it works, and then there's some 190 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: adjustments come in the middle of the season. 191 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: Preseason games allow players and coaching staff to get a 192 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 3: feel for things that they might not really get the 193 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 3: opportunity to elsewhere in the offseason. You can only do 194 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: so many things in practice. You can only do so 195 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: many things when you're practicing without pads or even if 196 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: you're having joint practices with another team. Preseason games are 197 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: going to be a lot more valuable, at least those 198 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: kickoffs of getting a feel for what it's going to 199 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: be like during the game. I think that'll be really 200 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: interesting to look at those in the preseason see what 201 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: small adjustments are made or even if they're major in 202 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: such a short amount of time from that point to 203 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: the regular season starting. I think that's going to be 204 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: something that again going to see a variety of maybe 205 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: not so much techniques, but strategies of how teams are 206 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: approaching the kickoff rule changes. And even though the signing 207 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: of running back DJ Dallas came just before those owners meetings, 208 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: I mean, you know what's on the table for I 209 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: would imagine that his skill set being such a big 210 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: specials special specials, teams, special teams, specialists, specialists. Yeah, you know, 211 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 3: you know where it's like, oh do I pluralize the 212 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: first their second word of that specialist? That works a 213 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: lot better, thank you, Dallas being a heavy specialist. I 214 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: would imagine that the signing there was probably taken into 215 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 3: account at least was you know, on assuming that that 216 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: rule was going to be passed shortly after that. I'm 217 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: sure that came into play of what he can bring 218 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: on special teams. 219 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: And with this change, yeah, I don't think there's any 220 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: question that they knew this rule one year experiment was 221 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: going to get passed, and even even if it didn't, Now, okay, 222 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: you've upgraded that return because you look at the numbers, 223 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: Dallas is better than Greg Dortch as far as returning. 224 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: And then you see what happens. Rondell mor gets traded 225 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, hey, connect the dots. Maybe 226 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: Dortch has more of a role on the offensive side, 227 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: so you don't want them returning kicks, maybe just returning punts. 228 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: So connect the dots for a lot of these moves, 229 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: and then you kind of wait to see what gets 230 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: officially announced, because it was Dallas getting signed first and 231 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: then ron Dell Moore getting traded. Still nothing with Greg Dortch, 232 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: but we knew he wasn't gonna go anywhere. He finally 233 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: signs his tender, and then of course the league approves 234 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: this new kickoff role. So I agree that the preseason, 235 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: especially those games, it's okay, let's knock some of the 236 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: rust off, but I think there's gonna be a real 237 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: emphasis on the return game and those joint practices with 238 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: whatever team back east. According to Ganel, though, he is 239 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: very specific about anything in which he has to go east, 240 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: even if it's like to Dallas, he considers that east 241 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: from where he is currently you're nue it can be. 242 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: East for him, yes, and it can still not be 243 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: East in the grand scheme of things. You know it's 244 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: going to be team he says out East, an AFC team, 245 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 3: and he said it's going to be hot. But that's 246 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: everywhere at that time of the year. So and I 247 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: will say I appreciate that he said that. The reason 248 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: he's not saying which team the Cardinals will be doing 249 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 3: those joint practices with right now is because he's only 250 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: ninety nine percent sure something. He said he learned from 251 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: Freak Reich that if you're still only ninety nine percent 252 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: sure something happening, you're not sure that something's happening. And Gannon, 253 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: to his defense, to his credit, that's that's true. Those 254 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: are things that have to go through the league, so 255 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: they probably don't have confirmation at this time. But he says, 256 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: not to speculate. 257 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: We're all going to speculate, isn't it though, as I'm 258 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: doing a hard left turn here, isn't it just good manners? 259 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: Because you're not the host, You're being endpoint, You're being 260 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: invited somewhere to have these joint practices. So the onus 261 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: is on that particular team to make this announcement, not 262 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: the visitor not to announce. Hey, I'm going to Danny's party. 263 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: She has yet to announce it officially, but I'm going 264 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: to go to Danny's party. 265 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: You wish, Craig, I know, I just knew that was coming. 266 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: That's a hard invitation list to find yourself on. 267 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: When is that party? 268 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: What party? 269 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: When is that party? 270 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: What party? 271 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: More from what we actually we heard from Gannon, we 272 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: heard from Kaiser White, Trey McBride. By the way, I mentioned, 273 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is in the building's basically been here since 274 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: the season ended, and to hear the head coach, to 275 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: hear Kayzer, to hear Trey mention the fact that the 276 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: excitement going into this season, the pieces that they added. 277 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: But all three mentioned the fact that Kyler's healthy, that 278 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: this is an off season in which she does not 279 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: have to rehab. They know, knock on wood, he'll be 280 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: available week one now. All of a sudden more wins. 281 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: You went three and five with him at the end 282 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: of the seas probably should have been formed four. But 283 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden to have Kyler fully healthy, 284 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,119 Speaker 1: fully engaged, and work with that chemistry with the receivers 285 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: that he didn't have a chance to do a year ago, 286 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: and then continue to improve that chemistry with players that 287 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: have been here like Trey McBride. 288 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's a trickle down effect. Kyler Murray being healthy 289 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: allows him to work with the coaching staff on what 290 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: they want from him in a way that's I would 291 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: imagine easier to digest of the changes of footwork and 292 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: things like that that Kyler was only able to understand 293 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: either from watching his teammates do it out on the 294 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 3: field or meeting rooms until he was physically able to 295 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: be out there. And at that point, the season's already rolling. 296 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: It's not like he's got a couple of weeks to 297 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: really knock off any rust while also making these adjustments 298 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: the coaching staff was asking of him. Having that full 299 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: off season makes a big difference there, and just his 300 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: ability to understand and then put his touches to l 301 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: elevate this offense. It allows Kyler to have more time 302 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: to have reps with his receivers and to build that 303 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: chemistry the connection something that McBride touched on of that 304 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: you know, became clearer as the season went on. In 305 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: that first game in Atlanta, you could tell that that 306 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: chemistry could still have used some work and McBride continuing 307 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: a run and Kyler wanted him to sit and that 308 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: pass ended up getting interception, intercepted something. But Bride says, 309 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: you know it still frustrates him to this day that 310 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: you know he still wants to work on. So having 311 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: a healthy Kyler allows everybody to build that connection and 312 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 3: have a stronger outing as a team, as an offense, 313 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: which is huge. And also the leadership aspect of your 314 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 3: having him in there and he's working out, he's here 315 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: for voluntary parts of the off season program. That's what 316 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: you want out of a franchise quarterback, That's what you 317 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: want out of a leader. So those are all great things, 318 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: and then of course you take it into effect something 319 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: general manager moneyols for. It's talked about this offseason what 320 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: you've got your quarterback set, because you have a lot 321 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: more freedom with what you want to do in free 322 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: agency in the draft. So yes, having a healthy Kyler 323 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: Murray is massive on many front for this organization. 324 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: And if your most important player, your most talented player, 325 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: is also your most vocal as far as a leader, 326 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: whether that's vocal or more by actions as opposed to words, 327 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: if that is your quarterback, then everyone else seized that 328 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: model and then follows it because that's you want to 329 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: be like your franchise quarterback, and in this case it's 330 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, who Again, I'll go back to those reps 331 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: that they did not. You brought up Trey McBride in 332 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: the Atlanta game. How about the miscommunication between Kyler and 333 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: Michael Wilson in Philadelphia and that interception Kyler fell on 334 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: the sword, Michael wil said, no, that was on me. 335 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: And then a couple of weeks later they went back 336 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: and that chemistry was phenomenal, But you didn't have that. 337 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: Those two didn't have that outside of a couple of 338 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: days of practice, and in practice that's not full speed. 339 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: So here in the off season, it was good to 340 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: hear McBride mentioned that, Yeah, the quarterbacks and receivers are 341 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: going to get together a lot this offseason and continue 342 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: to work on some things that maybe they can't do 343 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: here at the facility in phase one of the offseason 344 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: strength and conditioning program. But then just build that chemistry 345 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: both on the field and off the field as well. 346 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: Get to know each other not just as players, but 347 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: as teammates. 348 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: Kyler has taken a lot of flack over the years, 349 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 3: and especially during the off season programs of whether or 350 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: not he is here during the voluntary portions or if 351 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: he is working out elsewhere off campus with his receivers. 352 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: You have to give him credit to see that he 353 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: is here and he has been a leader. And that's 354 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: not just the start of the off season programs this week. 355 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: That's been since this time last year, and with the 356 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 3: changes and seeing the way that he handled his rehab 357 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: and he stepped up with this new staff and with 358 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 3: every all the changes that were brought in. So you 359 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 3: have to give him credit and seeing those changes and 360 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: the leadership style evolving and all of those aspects of 361 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 3: your franchise quarterback is here when it's voluntary, he's being 362 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 3: a leader, he is working out with his receivers off campus. 363 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: Those are all things you want to hear. 364 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: Speaking of rehab, Guysier White not fully one hundred percent 365 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: after that bicep injury that he suffered against the Texans, 366 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: but coming along and his words, he's on track, and 367 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't put him past to try to 368 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: be on the field, maybe a little bit more than 369 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: the coaches wanted to be on the field, because he 370 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: did acknowledge that he played what a couple of snaps after. 371 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: He thought it was a cramp, he tore his bysack. 372 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: How do you how does that feel like a cramp? 373 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: We've all experienced cramps. 374 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: Think for for people that think that. 375 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: You know, athlete late cramp stomach, you know. 376 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 3: That they just falter and at any single injury they 377 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: have and they're not tough. I mean, just think about 378 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: that your bi is torn and you think it feels 379 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: like a cramp. And he continued to play and tackle 380 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: with one arm insane. I'm glad it was nice to 381 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: see him. You could see that energy of him really 382 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 3: feeling a lot better and talking about mentally how he 383 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 3: was able to, you know, push through that and continue 384 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: to rehab and do what he could to still be 385 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: around this team and still be a leader. And the 386 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: efforts he was putting in this offseason to rehab and 387 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 3: while he's on one hundred percent. He said that he 388 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 3: was feeling good. He was excited, excited about the addition 389 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: of Mac Wilson, the linebacker, who was very eager when 390 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 3: he came to the facility a couple of weeks ago 391 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 3: after signing, and the idea of playing out on the 392 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 3: field with Kaiser wide and what they could do together. 393 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: It was good to see Kaysier. He talked about Chris 394 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: Barnes resigning and what that linebacker's room could look like. 395 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 3: So that was good to see him. As you know, 396 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: we haven't seen him in a while since that injury 397 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 3: and the fact that he's still here. He's still been 398 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 3: a leader, he's it's a good thing for this team 399 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: that he is on track to becoming fully healthy. 400 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: We saw how the inside linebacker position was for this 401 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: defense a year ago, as far as having veterans in 402 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: that role who know the defense. I air bringing Kaizer 403 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: White over from Philadelphia and then just to not only hear, 404 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: but see Kaizer's face light up when he talked about 405 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: Mac Wilson, and I think those two have already had 406 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: a number of conversations about what they can do together 407 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: on the field within their group. How much communication now 408 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: happens now that will help and benefit once the season begins. 409 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: And then just how to utilize those two and the 410 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: skill set that Mac has to rush the quarterback, to 411 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: drop into coverage, to stay in the middle alongside Kaizer, 412 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: And then what do you do with the rest of 413 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: your linebackers is Avon Collins, Dennis Gardek and what that 414 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: defense might look like depending on what happens come two 415 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: weeks or say one week from this Thursday, when the 416 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: draft starts, and what pieces you add to that front seven. 417 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: This is when all that stuff starts to come. You 418 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: put forth the work. This is what we like to do. 419 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: Let's see if we can't make it work. And then 420 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: you get out on the grass in phase three OTA's 421 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: mini camp and you make more adjustments, more tweaks. Ah, yeah, 422 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: this is going to work. No, this is not going 423 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: to work. Let's go back to the drawing board. 424 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: Kayser also has a connection with new Arizona Cardinal defensive 425 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: lineman Justin Jones. They were in the same draft class together, 426 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 3: which you know, it was asked about the d line 427 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: kind of being beefed up, and it was out of 428 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: JG and not Guysier, but about the D line being 429 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 3: beefed up, and jjus saying he went into the room 430 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: on Monday and he was trying to crack some jokes 431 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: to the D linemen and they were not well received, 432 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: and he said, you know what, that's fine, you guys, 433 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 3: just make sure you bring that same energy, the same 434 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: you know, toughness and monster mentality out on the field. 435 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: Kyrie's Tonga is the one new edition that we haven't 436 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: had a chance to hear from, but that's one of 437 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: the players that JG mentioned was not laughing at his 438 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: jokes and mentioned that he looked like Tonga wanted to 439 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: take his face. So you get that physicality, you get 440 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: that demeanor. Something both Jones and Nichols talked about when 441 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: they got here as far as that mindset that they 442 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: want to bring to not only their defensive line room, 443 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: but the defense and the team as a whole. We 444 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: talked a lot about this offseason as far as the 445 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: concentration and the focal point on beefing up and improving 446 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: that defensive line, the first line of defense, whether that's 447 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: stopping the run or getting to the quarterback. But those 448 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: three individuals bringing back LJ. Collier. Now you've got four 449 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: with Dante Stills, there's five, Roy Lopez is six, There's 450 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: a number of other guys on that roster, and are 451 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: there any more added in the draft? And all of 452 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: a sudden, you've got a healthy rotation of eight, nine, 453 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: ten that you feel very comfortable with rolling out there 454 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: week one. 455 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I do think though a lot of this defense 456 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 3: stems out of Kaiser White physically, his ability to call 457 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: the defense and be a leader out there. So it 458 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: is a big step that he was there on Monday 459 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 3: going through workouts. A little bit still different because he 460 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: is still rehabbing, so he's probably doing a little bit 461 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 3: of his own stuff out there, a little bit specialized 462 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: to him and what he needs. But the fact that 463 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: he's there, the fact that he was talking to media, 464 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 3: all great signs for what this defense can do moving forward. 465 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: So we heard from the head coach, one player on defense, 466 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: one player on offense. McBride. We touched on him and 467 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: the fact that once again, if there was anyone more 468 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: excited about day one he talked about the first day 469 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: of school. But now knowing his teachers, I mean, McBride 470 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: might have said excited what two dozen times. 471 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: He said he was excited to see the media. Somebody 472 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 3: says that at the start of their press conference they're 473 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: excited to see a room full of media members. 474 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: I took that little tongue in cheeks, so excited to 475 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: see you guys again. Okay, really, I. 476 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: Don't think yeah, but he had a big smile on 477 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 3: his face. Maybe he did mean it. We're a nice. 478 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: Bunch, we are well present company. Of course, I can't 479 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: speak for everyone else. I'll say this and I'll use 480 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: the word excited. I am excited to see what Bride 481 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: can do. Year three. Last season was a breakout year 482 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: for him, if not league wide, certainly for him personally. 483 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: And then having a full offseason and full season being 484 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: that guy not having to worry about someone in front 485 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: of him and what the tight end position could mean 486 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: within this offense with a healthy Kyler Murray and a 487 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: bona fide number one starting tight end. 488 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: McBride just needed the chance he didn't have, and he 489 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 3: was never going to have the opportunities that he needed 490 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 3: to get those game reps the way he needed to 491 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 3: really break out Behind zach Ertz. McBride touched on that, 492 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 3: you know he's still watching film. He said, he's been 493 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 3: watching film for his rookiear and he looks like a 494 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: deer in headlights. He's like, what on earth was I doing? 495 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: And he said that he has so much more confidence 496 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: going into year three because he knows what he's capable of. 497 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 3: There's still airs he wants to work on, and he 498 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 3: did not hesitate when talking about he wants to be 499 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 3: a better run blocker. That growing up, one of his 500 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 3: coaches told him, if if you can block well in 501 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: the run game, you will be rewarded in the passing game. 502 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: We saw the numbers jump with Kyler Murray being under 503 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: center and the play action under offensive corner Drew Petson 504 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: last year. McBride said that he feels on those plays 505 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 3: tight ends get open a lot, so he wants to 506 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 3: make sure that he can block well and marry those 507 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: routes to when he is actually running a route, and 508 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 3: that he wants to be a full, a complete tight end. 509 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 3: When it was asked of McBride how he would feel 510 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 3: about the Cardinals drafting a receiver just in general tight 511 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: end or wide receiver and they're talking about he trusts 512 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: the guys in the room front office is going to 513 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 3: do what they need to do. To make the team 514 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: better all that stuff, But when asked about a tight 515 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 3: end specifically because right now he's the veteran tight end 516 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: even though he might not feel like it only going 517 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: into year three, and he was saying, you know, it 518 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 3: would be okay, and if that's what they feel like 519 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 3: is best. I don't feel like the Cardinals would draft 520 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 3: a tight end to compete with training is the number one. 521 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: I still think that it would make a lot of 522 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: sense for the Cardinals to draft a tight end either 523 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 3: on Day two or high on Day three, if that's 524 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 3: there's a player there that would make sense based on 525 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: you know, their ranking system, and if that's worth a 526 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 3: pick there. Because last season the Cardinals were in twelve 527 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 3: or thirteen personnel thirty two percent of the time, which 528 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: was fifth most in the league. Jeff Swayne was their 529 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 3: main blocker. He got hurt late last season. He's still 530 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: a free agent. Elijah Higgins behind McBride looked okay. He 531 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 3: played an eleven games, one hundred and sixty three receiving 532 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: yards in a touchdown, and then behind Higgins, draft Is 533 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: Vocalect and Blake Whiteheart, each active for just two games. 534 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 3: On a single stat I think the Cardinals are still 535 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 3: missing a true backup tight end that can be reliable 536 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 3: in the pass catching game, and also a true blocking 537 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 3: tight end that can really elevate this offense in that area. 538 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 3: So while I think that it makes sense for Arizona 539 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 3: to draft a tight end, I do think it is 540 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: a sneaking when you're talking about offensive needs. I'm not 541 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: sitting here saying that the Cardinals need to draft a 542 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 3: tight end over a wide receiver or a pass rusher 543 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: or a cornerback. So don't go crazy with what I'm saying. 544 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: I'm just talking about offensively. It would still make sense 545 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 3: for the Cardinals to look at a tight end when 546 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: you're looking at needs on offense. 547 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: Can you imagine the reaction Cardinals trade down from number four. 548 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: They're at eleven, twelve, thirteen, whatever it is, outside the 549 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: top ten. So your top three wide receivers likely all 550 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: off the board. So what do you do if you're 551 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: looking for another playmaker offensively? Or at that point, does 552 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: your need for an edge rusher, a cornerback supersede that 553 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: pass catcher and you're drafting a tight end in the 554 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: first round, then there's only one tight end. 555 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: Everyone just turned off this podcast. 556 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: By all, I'm just saying, everyone's listening, there's only one 557 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: tight end that is a top ten, top fifteen selection, 558 00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: that is Brock. 559 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 3: Powers to me that that would not be the move. 560 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm not arguing, I'm just saying, how do you rank? 561 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 3: You're just upsetting everything out there right now. 562 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: We present scenarios here because you have to be prepared 563 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: for anything that's out there. Where do the Cardinals rank, 564 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: not the position the player versus the top edge guy, 565 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: the top corner that's available at that point. And if, 566 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: for argument's sake, for this scenario, Rock Bauers is available 567 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: and you have him higher than an edge than a corner, 568 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Look, I would be surprised as well. 569 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: But it is a scenario that you have to at 570 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: least present in your stats about this team being the 571 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: fifth most use in multiple tight ends from a year ago. Again, 572 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: was that based off the roster or based off what 573 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: Drew Petsing likes to do as an offense? 574 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: Probably a bit of both. I think, I just I 575 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: think I understand for the sake of this podcast, the 576 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 3: scenario you are drawing up. It would I would think 577 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: that it would be more likely that the Cardinals would 578 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: continue to stick with a wide receiver. If they do, 579 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: could drop down to eleven or there would probably look 580 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 3: elsewhere on defense of what their needs are. But you're right, 581 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: it's a fine line of best player available versus position 582 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 3: of need. Every team, you know, with their front office 583 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 3: and their analytics and their scouting department, they all have 584 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 3: their own system of grading out players essentially regardless of position, 585 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: to rank players just top down. And so maybe right, 586 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 3: maybe if there's a tight end that is leaps and 587 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 3: bounds above other positions of need, that could be a scenario. 588 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 3: We want to make sure that the Cardinal, that the 589 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 3: listeners understand that that's not likely. That's not what we're saying. 590 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: Craig's just trying to raise my blood pressure here. More 591 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 3: likely Day two, Yeah, day three that I can get behind. 592 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: Now we might be able, I say might. We will 593 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: be able to ask. We won't get an answer, but 594 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: you can't ask. On Thursday, that was a quick we. 595 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: Can ask change to you can ask. You can ask 596 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 3: a question, Craig, That's true. 597 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: They would never answer that question. 598 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, regardless of if it's me or you, So are 599 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: you trying to throw me under the bus. 600 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to throw you under the bus. I'm 601 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: just again presenting a scenario. We all have done these 602 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: mock drafts. By the way, our colleague Darrenderman has got 603 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: what fifty at least at least fifty mock drafts that 604 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: he's done. I think he is to a day. 605 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: I think I think he has probably sent forty seven 606 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: of those fifty to us after five PM on a 607 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: weekday now, so I choose to not open them until 608 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: the next weekday. 609 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: Stick, I don't believe he's drafted a tight end in 610 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: the first round because Bowers has always been off the board. 611 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: But something's going to happen one week from Thursday that 612 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: we will have not anticipated. 613 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens every year. 614 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: So quarterbacks going one, two three, one two three four, 615 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: stay and pick right down five. 616 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: Quarterbacks are going one, two, three four. Cardinals are not 617 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: at four. No, But what I'm saying, I know what 618 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 3: you me. 619 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: Something's going to happen, Yes. 620 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 3: And are the Cardinals going to be at the helm 621 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 3: of it with a decision whether that is staying or 622 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 3: trading down. Because even if they stay at four, what 623 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 3: does that mean for the Chargers at five? Are they 624 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 3: going to stay. Is their phone ringing for a quarterback? 625 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: Right? 626 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 3: Because at that point, is a team that needs a quarterback? 627 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: Is that quarterback worth jumping up and being the fourth 628 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: off the board. There's a whole lot of scenarios, and 629 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 3: it really all starts with Arizona. 630 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: Cardinals in their latest Top thirty visits, Dallas Turner, the 631 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Alabama edge rusher, according to Ian Rappaport, visiting Monday and Tuesday, 632 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: so perhaps an overnight's day again read into this what 633 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: you want. But the Cardinals, I've got it down to 634 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: twenty two reported Top thirty visits. Six defensive backs, seven 635 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: wide receivers, so two positions have accounted for more than 636 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: a half of the Top thirty visits and no bird 637 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: Gang tight end has not shown up on any list 638 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 1: that I have been able to come across. But when 639 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: you focus on needs, wide receivers in need maybe not 640 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: just on day one, but day two, day three. Cornerbacks 641 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: in need, maybe not just on day one but day 642 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: two and day three, I do think you've seen multiple 643 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: wide receivers selected and multiple defensive backs selected. 644 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 3: I would agree, I would hope. So the Cardinals have 645 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: the need for those positions and they have the capital 646 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 3: eleven picks, six in the top ninety. We know that 647 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 3: Mani ausin for It likes to wheel and deal and 648 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 3: make some trades. And while what we've seen in one 649 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 3: year last year of making those trades doesn't necessarily mean 650 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 3: he's going to trade every year, we just know he's 651 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: open to the possibility. So where things stand right now, 652 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: eleven picks and that's that's enough to build this roster 653 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,239 Speaker 3: the way you need to in this transition year, with 654 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 3: the players that will be available, your positions of need, 655 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 3: and how those line up, that is enough to really 656 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: make a wave and elevate this team this year. 657 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: How important is this draft class? Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network 658 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: color analysts for the Chargers, on Sunday posted this quote, 659 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: This draft will determine the next five to seven years 660 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals. They have an opportunity to set 661 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: themselves up for a really nice run. End of posts. 662 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: Six picks in the top ninety. Now, are you gonna 663 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: hit on all those six? Probably not. But if you 664 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: can find solid rotation players for four of those six 665 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: and you build through the draft, which is we know 666 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: what Monty wants to do and who knows maybe in 667 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: ten fifteen years you're looking back at not only the 668 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: two twenty four draft class, with twenty twenty three and 669 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: building around your franchise quarterback, who this front office and 670 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: coaching staff inherited but was behind from day one. And 671 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: if you have a quarterback, you have a chance. Kyler 672 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: just can't do it all by himself. 673 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense for me for Daniel 674 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 3: Jeremiah to say what he said, you have your quarterback set. 675 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: You are now in year two with this general manager 676 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 3: and this coaching staff. So in the nicest way possible, 677 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 3: they've pretty much trimmed the fat the way they want to. 678 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 3: No allegiance the players that are here, they want here. 679 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: The draft picks that they made last year played well. 680 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 3: They played a lot more than they were probably expecting 681 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 3: to have to be played. They played well. We know 682 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 3: that Osinport likes to build through the trenches. That's been clear. 683 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: Why drafting Parashawnson junior last year, that's been clear. With 684 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 3: the free agency moved in the signings to bring in 685 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 3: Jonah Williams as a tackle and the defense of lineman 686 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 3: signings and the culture has been so now you are 687 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 3: at the point where you need to start seeing you 688 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 3: start reaping those the rewards of what you're doing in 689 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 3: that work. And I'm not saying that the Cardinals are 690 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: going to have a ten twelve wins season necessarily, but 691 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 3: you would expect to see a big jump in the 692 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 3: play We saw that they were competitive. Now you need 693 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 3: to win. And this is the point of this transition 694 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 3: phase and turning things over in the new leaf. This 695 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 3: is the point where you really do set that foundation. 696 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: The foundation on a broader scale was set last year 697 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 3: and everybody having an idea of what your role is 698 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 3: and what the expectations are, the standards that need to 699 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,479 Speaker 3: be met. This is the time when you really need 700 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 3: to see those changes out there and the win column 701 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 3: out on the field, and you need to start seeing 702 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: those changes happen. Now that's going to set you up 703 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 3: for the future of the players that you're having, the 704 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 3: desire for players to sign here in the off season, 705 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 3: and all of that's going to start with the decisions 706 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 3: that are made this year. 707 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: One week from Thursday. By the way, we talk about 708 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: last year's draft class, You've got we think, we hope 709 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: a franchise tackle. We'll just see where Paris Johnson Junior 710 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: is on which side, certainly a wide receiver who is 711 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: up and coming. A cornerback in actually got a couple 712 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: of cornerbacks, young cornerbacks that maybe starters or at least 713 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: rotation pieces, Dante Stills late pick and then someone that 714 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: you brought up on Monday, John Gaines. Where does he 715 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: fit in all of this? Because we know a year 716 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: ago he was going to have a role on game. 717 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 3: Day, preseason and training. 718 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, now is that as a center, a backup or 719 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: is that competition for left guard? He has versatility across 720 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: that line of scrimmage, and we've all kind of slept 721 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: on him because well, it hasn't been around. I mean, 722 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: he hasn't been seen because he's been hurt with that knee. 723 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 3: Towards ACL the final preseason game in Minnesota, Gannon said Monday, 724 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 3: when I had asked for any sort of update, that 725 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 3: he's just rehabbing and progressing. Well, that was more or 726 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 3: less all he said, which tells me it at least 727 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 3: implies that he's not going through the full strength and 728 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 3: conditioning program right now, which would make sense of tearing 729 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 3: your ACL in August of just the timing of things 730 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 3: and to Also remember, you know, offensive linemen are big dudes, 731 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 3: so to rehab a knee for someone of that size 732 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 3: is going to be different than a wide receiver or quarterback, 733 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 3: not massively, but to a certain extent of the healing 734 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 3: process and making sure that they are keeping on the 735 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 3: weight that they need to play and the muscle on 736 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 3: all of that. So it's not really a surprise to 737 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 3: at least again we didn't get yes or no, but 738 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 3: to have implied that he's not going through the strength 739 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 3: and conditioning program the way the other players are at 740 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 3: this moment. He's still mostly rehabbing. There are a lot 741 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 3: of questions though, of how healthy John Gaines is going 742 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 3: to be during training camp and where is his role 743 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: You're right, is it going to be center where we 744 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 3: saw him rise to the ranks and start practicing with 745 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 3: the twos on the offensive line at that spot? Is 746 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 3: he possibly going to make the change to left guard 747 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 3: based on maybe a draft selection. Is it going to 748 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 3: be able to Frohold that's going to move to left 749 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 3: guard if the Cardinals want to draft a center. There's 750 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 3: a lot of questions. It's unfortunately a little too early 751 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 3: to have any sort of answers. John Gaines is definitely 752 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 3: a factor in those decisions that are going to be 753 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 3: made about offensive line position finalizations. 754 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm just glad that we're that much closer to the 755 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: finish line. It has been a lot of talk more 756 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: than I wouldn't say more than a year ago, but 757 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: there was a lot going on last offseason. 758 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 3: Finish line is draft. 759 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Yeah, the draft. As far as last 760 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: year was okay, new head coach, new coaching staff, and 761 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: there was. 762 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 3: Stuff to talk about uniforms. 763 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: This offseason, it's been seems like all about the draft 764 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: and what are they gonna do. 765 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's good, Craig, No, I know ya. 766 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: Trust me. 767 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 3: I know. 768 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: It's just again I've mentioned it a week ago with 769 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: to Paul that I've got mock draft fatigue. I am. 770 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: I am this close to where I just want to 771 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: see what happens, what players are added, and then you 772 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: can start moving on to talk about, all right, what 773 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: are those pieces fit within the roster, within the offense, 774 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: the defense. 775 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 3: Well, you're in luck because the draft is quickly approaching. 776 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: One week from Thursday, by the way, speaking to Paul, 777 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: the draft party returns to the Great Lawn outside State 778 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: Farm stadium. Come see Paul. That's kind of how I'm 779 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: pitching it. Azycardinals dot Com forward Slash Draft Party. It 780 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: is Thursday, April twenty fifth, four to nine. Admission is free, 781 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: Parking is free. You do need digital tickets. There will 782 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: be a post draft fireworks after the draft is concluded, 783 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: at least after the first round, and again, come see Paul. 784 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: He hosts it does a very good job. 785 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of fun. They've got players and 786 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 3: alumni out there, and cheerleader and a whole bunch of 787 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 3: stuff out there. And considering it's taken us this long 788 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 3: to get to the nineties, the weather should probably be 789 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 3: pretty nice, which will be a nice factor as well. 790 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 3: And then on Friday, we've got our live draft show 791 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 3: that we're gonna be streaming. We're gonna have all kinds 792 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 3: of coverage from night one, sit down interviews with the 793 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 3: head coach and the general manager, interviews with however many 794 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,479 Speaker 3: first round picks we have, we don't know how many 795 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 3: that's going to be, yea, yeah, yeah. 796 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 1: The little will be any more than three. 797 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 3: Gosh, I hope not, Craig, that would just be wild, 798 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 3: So make sure to stream that. We'll have more information 799 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 3: in terms of timing and all of that good stuff 800 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 3: that'll be on our official YouTube channel. And then of 801 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 3: course we're gonna have coverage all across all platforms throughout 802 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 3: the Thursday, Friday, Saturday and then post draft on articles 803 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 3: asycardinals dot com, lots of Cover two podcasts that we're 804 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 3: going to be doing throughout that weekend and shows and interviews, 805 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 3: so acycardinals dot com place to be. 806 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: It is going to be an intense, fun three days 807 00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: beginning Thursday, April twenty five. 808 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 3: Do you have a certain candy or something I should 809 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,879 Speaker 3: bring to stock up for energy, you know, like keep 810 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 3: us up when we're just grinding through it all these 811 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 3: interviews in the podcast. 812 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: I'm a big Reci's fan. 813 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a good one, butter Cops, maybe I'll have 814 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 3: to make sure we're stocked up so we can have 815 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 3: some sugar highs before we go on the podcast and 816 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 3: then crash. 817 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: After bottle of water candy. 818 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say, why. 819 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: That's after and before we get into any more trouble, Danny, 820 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: They're gonna put a lid on This edition of Cardinals 821 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona 822 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: Cardinals as always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim 823 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: amanre Our Sooship producer Coddy Fincher for Danny Surrek. I'm 824 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: Craig rial Lou. We'll talk to you next time here 825 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two.