1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: On today's episode of News, we're talking about news and 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: a huge week of trailers that have appeared, plus an 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: interview with Dave Shilling, the author of the new book 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: about Blumhouse. Hello, and I'm just gets up to you 5 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: and I'm risday Night, and welcome back to x revision 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: of the podcast where we dive deep. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics, 7 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: and pop culture coming to you from my heart, where 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: we're bringing you three episodes a week, plus News and 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: It's News. 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: It's news, Today's news. 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: In today's News, we are catching up on the biggest 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: geek news of the week, including Oh my Gosh, Grogu, Alphaba, 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: and the Novi. 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: It's we got a massive trailer round up. 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: And I keep forgetting the new Avatar movies coming out 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: at the end of this year, but that's. 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: Happening, so they're going to be making some billions. 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: Insomniac has revealed the first trailer for that highly anticipated 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 3: Wolverine video game, and I was not expecting it. 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: To be the game they are teasing, but I can't wait. 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: And as Jason hinted in the spoilers, we are gonna 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: have an interview with Dave Shilling fantastic journalist, critic and 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: author of Horror's New Wave fifteen years of Blumbhouse. 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Let's get into it, okay, first trailer of the weeks, 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: the Mandalorian and Grogu trailer dropped and no big surprises. 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: Other Mandalorian looks like what. 27 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: It looks like a season of the Mandalorian like from 28 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: which some people have. 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 4: Decried on the internet. 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: A lot of the as we've been talking about in 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: our group chat, A lot of the amateur, semi professional 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: and professional cinematographers slash videographers. 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 2: Oh, they got along the line or like. 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: I would have color graded this different. I would add it. 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: To guess what you're not Dave Philoni bro like that. 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: My guy, he's gonna do it. You know what? Looks cute. 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 3: I'm glad it looks cute. I'm glad they understand what 38 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: we need, which is the baby. I also found this 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: to be very funny because they definitely tried to release 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: this during all the Kimmel stuff so people would stop 41 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: talking about Kimmel and it didn't happen. 42 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: So I love when that happens. Yeah, looks cute. I'm 43 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: glad to see that. We get Babo Frick. 44 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's not Babo Frick, but it's Babo Frick 45 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: type and a Babu Frick and baby moments. That was 46 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: really funny. I think I like to see all the 47 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: puppetry and the practical effects looks fun. 48 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: It will be interesting to see if it lands. 49 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: Because it was this is I'm not I'm gonna say 50 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: this in a neutral way, but I. 51 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: Know people will not take it neutrally. The trailer was 52 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: kind of given solow. I'm not gonna lie. 53 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: It was. 54 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: It was like it was like a little fun kind 55 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: of outside adventure. 56 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: But I don't know if it's gonna have the impact 57 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: they're necessarily expecting. 58 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: But you know what, I love that Baby. 59 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I will say baby, that Sigourney. 60 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: We were being like the big wow moment. Kind of 61 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: of the trailer is mixed. I'm not saying I was 62 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: underwhelmed by the trailer, but it was exactly the kind 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: of trailer I guess that you would imagine in your mind. 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: Exactly. 65 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: I would say that's the case, like it comes out 66 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: May twenty second, twenty twenty six, so that means it 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: will be going up against the highly anticipated on this 68 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: podcast more or Combat too, but also that we have 69 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: a little bit of time, and it means that Disney 70 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: sees this as their big blockbuster for the summer to 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: launch the season. 72 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: I think it needs to give us. 73 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: Something that the TV show didn't, and from this trailer, 74 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: I can't see what that is other than Sigourney Weaver. 75 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: But like you said, Jason, Sigourney Weaver, she was in uh, 76 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: you know, the Defenders, like we've oh well, come on, 77 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: I loved Galaxy, but we've had her in this Disney 78 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: space before. 79 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: So this isn't necessarily that big feeling that you want 80 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: if you could. I want to see them show us. 81 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: Why it needed to be a movie, you know, like 82 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: I want to see this scope. 83 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: That's what I was wanting. Like I wanted to give 84 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: me a grogu leveled up. Oh my god, Neo at 85 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: the end of the Matrix movie. 86 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: Give me a Yoda in Revenge of the Sith, he's 87 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: doing like some crazy flips, you. 88 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: Know, give me a oh wow, Mando really has some 89 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: new tricks up his sleeve moment. And so it just 90 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: kind of felt like more of the same. And I'm 91 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: not saying I was disappointed, and I do love listen 92 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: I love the baby. 93 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: We love that baby. 94 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 4: I love that fifty year old baby. 95 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: I love that fifty year old baby. But we need 96 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: to know, yes, what, why and what I mean? This 97 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: is going to be like our first Star Wars movie. 98 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: None of the also like. 99 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 5: That thing what I'm there was no like set piece 100 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 5: that you're like, holy shit, it looks like it's a 101 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 5: season of the volume exactly last see that baby practically 102 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 5: running away from an explosion or something. 103 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: You know, I'm into it. 104 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: Up next Avatar, the Next Airbender, fire and ass motherfuckers. 105 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 4: I mean, listen if you love Avatar. Looks like it's 106 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 4: this is so weet. 107 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: We're seeing the Fire Navvy now our characters who we 108 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: met from the previous movie, some of them have have 109 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: migrated to the land of the Fire Navvy, and clearly 110 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: like the ongoing genocide and ecological destruction of this planet 111 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: is ongoing, and the Fire Navvy are bringing some actually 112 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: like kind of spectacular new uh new weapons and approaches 113 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: to the scene. 114 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: But it's atinitely more aggressive towards the. 115 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: Much human colinia. I get it. I get it, and 116 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: I like it. As everyone knows. I'm not these James 117 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 2: Cameron Avatar movies. 118 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: Are not necessarily for me, But I do think it's 119 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: hilarious that he just committed to the elemental bit and. 120 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, it's a little shameless. 121 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: It is absolutely shameless because I guys, I gotta say, 122 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 3: Avatar the Last Airbender was made before the first Avatar 123 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: movie and was made to add The Last Airbender because 124 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: James Cameron was copyrighting the notion of Avatar as a 125 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: solo title. 126 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: And it is. 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 3: Actually like when the last movie came out and it 128 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: was about a water tribe, everyone was kind of like, 129 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: oh funny, But now this one's come out. 130 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty shameless. We get it. Love Avatar the 131 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: Lost Airbender. 132 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: My god, well, I think listen, I think it's it's 133 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 4: James Cameron. 134 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I give him the benefit of the 135 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: doubt that he came up with this idea independently. 136 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there's an elemental stories, yes exactly. 137 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 4: That's not exactly right. 138 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: Misting a company, a competitor who are coming out before 139 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: you to keep the name. 140 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: That's shady, Hollywood, babe. I agree, you're James Cameron. You 141 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: get to do that. That's where you are. Yeah, it 142 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: is a big thing. 143 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: Here is like, well, what if the humans could come 144 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: to the planet and they could breathe without mask And 145 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: the answer to that is, well, then the Navi people 146 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: would be gone. 147 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: That's kind of I guess the big conflict we're going. 148 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: To be in going into fire and ash Jesson, I 149 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: ask your question. When The Way of the Water came out, 150 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: people loved it. It felt like it was a kind 151 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: of huge moment for them. But I did feel like 152 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: part of the reason that was and why it had 153 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: such a huge success rate was because we hadn't had 154 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: an Avatar movie for fifteen years or something. Right, do 155 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: you think this still makes a billion dollars when we 156 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 3: had one last year or two years? 157 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: Here's my concern. 158 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say that there's never 159 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: been a better time for a genocide metaphor in movies. 160 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: Yes, we need that, right, it's funny. 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: But I'm on the YouTube page now. 162 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: Avatar Fire Nash new trailer one day ago came out 163 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: six million, six point three million views. That's low. 164 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: That's low when you can have one hundred and forty 165 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: million and twenty four hours on a big trailer. 166 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm a little I do think that we're 167 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: gonna go I'm gonna take the under on Avatar fire 168 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: Nash because six million, six point three million and twenty 169 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: four hours for this movie. 170 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 2: Which is meant to take two billion dollars. Yeah, that 171 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: low seems slightly low. 172 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm interested. It's out on December nineteenth, so you 173 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: know we'll be covering it. And yeah, I'm sure I 174 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: want to see what crazy three D shenanigans James Cameron 175 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: is getting up to this time. 176 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: Aaron did point out. 177 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 3: That Mando and Grogu does have a lot more views, 178 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 3: but over four days, Wicked two, which we're about to 179 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: talk about, is much lower. 180 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: But this is what too. It's not Avatar. 181 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 6: You know. 182 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time. Yes, 183 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: so yeah, it's gonna be you. 184 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 4: Will you know. So here is let's talk about the 185 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 4: Wicked trailer new Wicked. 186 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 6: For Good. 187 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: Exactly. Jason's ready, he knows, He's like he knows a musical. Yeah, 188 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: Wicked for Good. I can't wait for this. 189 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: I thought the first Wicked movie was gonna suck, but 190 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 3: I loved it so much and I'm like a Wicked Superstan. 191 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: And last night I was watching the Wizard of Oz 192 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: and it's so fucking funny to watch the original Wizard 193 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: of Oz considering what the canon of Wicked is. 194 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: So we're gonna get a lot. 195 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: Of obviously big song then dance numbers here in this 196 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: second season that the name for Good is named after 197 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: the most famous song from Wicked, aside from Defying Gravity, 198 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: which is the final song that Alphabet and Glinda. 199 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: Sing to each other about how they've changed each other 200 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: for good. So, but they're really teasing that here. That's 201 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: the song that you mostly hear over the trailer. We 202 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 2: get some huge moments. 203 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: You get a tease of how they're going to reimagine 204 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: the Nessa Rose of it all. The actress who is 205 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 3: playing ness A Rose is the first disabled actress to 206 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: ever play her. She's never been played by a disabled 207 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: actress on stage. So you can see here that they're 208 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: reimagining the very controversial scene where she uses magic to 209 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: learn how to walk. Instead, they have her here using 210 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: it to learn how to fly. We get hints of 211 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: the big transformations. I had never seen Wicked before I 212 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: went with my sister to see it at the theater 213 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. I did not understand that 214 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: the second act of Wicked is essentially like MCU origin 215 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: stories for the characters of the Wizard of Us, so 216 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: there's some teasers there of characters that you're going to 217 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: see transform. 218 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 2: Obviously. 219 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: I think something really funny about this that me and 220 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: Joel were talking about on the episode to do with 221 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: the incredible that we're gonna have next week the cap 222 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: Pop Demon Hunters Music Interview episode, But something that we 223 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: were talking about is kind of I think that for 224 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: a long time, well the last year, which has felt 225 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: like a very long time, the assumption would be that 226 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: Wicked would win the OSCAR next year for Best Original Song, 227 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: and they were gonna put two new original songs in 228 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: one for Alphaba, one for Glinda, and they have announced 229 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: that those will be in there, but thanks to K 230 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: Pop Demon Hunters, I don't think either of those songs 231 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: are gonna make it. Then, I think Golden is undoubtedly 232 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 3: going to be the best original song of the year. 233 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: Though I would love to be proven wrong, I. 234 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: Do think the first Wicked movie is so much better 235 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 3: than it has any right to be. 236 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: John M. Chew is in his musical theater bag, his. 237 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: Classic Hollywood bag, and yeah, and I can't wait to 238 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 3: see this movie comes out November twenty first, and I 239 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 3: think it's gonna be a lot of fun. I think 240 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: we're gonna have a great time. And you know, there's 241 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: never been a better time for an unhinged press tour, 242 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: like we all need an unhinged press to come on, Ariana, 243 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: come on, Cynthia, let's do it. I need to know 244 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: up next. 245 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about video game trailers after this, 246 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: and we're back first in our video game trailer releases 247 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: this week is a absolutely terrifying new trailer from the 248 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: legend Kojima, very reminiscent of Pet and the project is 249 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: called Knock. It's merely a teaser trailer, and I very spooky. 250 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: The sound design is amazing, the look is amazing. You're 251 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: you're watching this character kind of light all these candles 252 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: on a spooky altar in front of a window in 253 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: this spooky house. And I'm so delighted to say that 254 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: super producer Aaron has committed to playing the game live 255 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: on stream. 256 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 4: He will play it. He said, I can't wait to. 257 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: Do it, and he said, I'm not scared at all. 258 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm stream And he said, if I. 259 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: Don't do it, forget it. 260 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: You can forget about me because I promised you I 261 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 1: will dete and it definitely Yeah Kajima. 262 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 2: And Jordan Peel, so he's got nothing to be scared of. 263 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: He looks great. Love Jason Rosie. 264 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: If Kojima releases a game called Knock, I will consider 265 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: playing it. 266 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: But this game is called O D. It's not called knock. 267 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 4: Oh sorry, So Aaron is gonna play O D. He's 268 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: gonna he's gonna run stream in a dark room with. 269 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: Headphones on live on whatever streaming playform were you. 270 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 3: And. 271 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: He's gonna do it. Anna, Yeah, I love this. 272 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: This is got a crazy cost too, as Kajima always does. 273 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: Sophia Lillis from it, and Nancy Drew love her. 274 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 2: She's great. 275 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: Also, hunt A Shafa and Udo Kia such a great 276 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: Hideo crazy horror pool. They are advertising this too as 277 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: a new kind of media, so I'm interested to know 278 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: what that mean. 279 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: That means yeah, and also tell you. 280 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: What I say, release Windows. So here's what I think. 281 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: Is it ever coming out? 282 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if this new kind of media means that 283 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: one it's gonna be there's gonna be like an episodic story, 284 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: like it's not just gonna be the game, but there's 285 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: gonna be like things. 286 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: Oh, Hideo Kajima does Telltale or something of. 287 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: That kind of thing, like either an episodic thing or 288 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: a branching story where it's different. 289 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 4: So that's my guess. 290 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: And listen, Kojima always the weirdest, most ambitious, super creative guy. Yeah, 291 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see what this is. Oh my god, 292 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: up next. 293 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: Guys, are you ready? 294 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: We've been waiting for clips of the crazy video game 295 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: that has been that was announced four years ago or 296 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: something time ago, and we're getting now from state of 297 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: play we have. They've released a trailer showing some gameplay 298 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: and folks, my immediate reaction was, oh. 299 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: My god, oh my god, oh my god. 300 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: It is the most it is the most lore accurate 301 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: wolver Read ever ever put to any media. 302 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: This man has metal clause and he kills people. What 303 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: do you think that would look like? 304 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 6: It is? 305 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: When I was watching it, I was like, it basically 306 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: looks like a mixture between Arkham Asylum and All Red 307 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: Dead Redemption, you know, whichever kind of walking around God 308 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: of War kind of movie that you like, a game 309 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: you like to do. 310 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: Mixed with mortal combat, which for Me is like a 311 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: dream game. So you're seeing. 312 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: A different level of gore than we've seen even in 313 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 3: Like I mean, I remember that old Deadpool game, which 314 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: was pretty controversial at the time. 315 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: No, this is a whole game level. 316 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, this man is like slow mo spiking his claws 317 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: through people's skulls, and gore is gushing and blood and it. 318 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: And it looks like they've got like the interactive destructive environments, 319 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: which I love because also again another thing, Warner Brothers 320 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: have been doing great with the gaming with nether Realm 321 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: ever since Injustice, this kind of interactive backgrounds, and they've 322 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: bring in that now obviously to a real kind of 323 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: walk around game. Yeah, this looks scary, It looks bloody. 324 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: I was not expecting this. This is definitely not a 325 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: kid's game. Not that not that you know they were 326 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: ever gonna market specifically towards kids. It was always going 327 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: to be a team plus or m a game. But 328 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: think about Spider Man. That's one of the biggest games 329 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 3: of all time, and that game is predominantly played by children. 330 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: Even though you beat people up, you're definitely giving people 331 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: traumatic brain injury by throwing you know, manhole covers at them. 332 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: But this is like Wolverine's violence next level, and it's 333 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: next level. 334 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever seen a game. 335 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 4: There's skulls getting cut in half, you know. 336 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: Like yes, level of blood and people's legs being pulled off. 337 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: Also really fun character reveals in this trailer and Maha. 338 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: Red did not see that coming. 339 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: Miss Stique, who my gut says, from the way we 340 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: see her transform looks kind of like a cut scene. 341 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 3: I'm hoping she's a playable character, kind of alah Arkham 342 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 3: Asylum where sometimes you'll have to do different quests as 343 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 3: different people. 344 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: Same with Spider Man where sometimes you'll marry Jane. 345 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Reavers, which you know, we kind of get 346 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 3: a look at him killing a couple of Rivers here. 347 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: They have this very interesting markings on their body, like 348 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: very cyborg vibes and a sentinel, which I mean, can 349 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: you think of a better boss for a Wolverine game 350 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: like this? 351 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: That would be incredible. 352 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 3: We have Leah McIntyre playing Logan, another Aussie Wolf. People 353 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 3: were very excited about this casting online. I think people 354 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: feel like it's a It sounds like how they want 355 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: Wolverine to sound, and as he says in the show. 356 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: You know he's not a hero, He's Wolverine. We have 357 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: Canada confirmed, makes sense, that's where he's from. Japan and 358 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 3: Madripoor all major Wolverine places. We see the Princess bar 359 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: in this. This is going to be so full of 360 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: Easter eggs. Yeah, I mean, I cannot wait, Like if 361 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: if I don't have one by then this will be 362 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 3: the game I play. 363 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: I buy on a next a next gen console for. 364 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 3: Like, I will be buying this or a PS Vibe 365 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 3: to play like I need it. 366 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: This is unmissible. 367 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: You know what I've been thinking too, With the rise 368 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: of K pop and the ever increasing mainstreamization of Japanese 369 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: pop culture, I would love a Logan and Jubilee about anime. 370 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jason, keep that in your pocket, Okay, I 371 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: tell you he's such a good he's such a good 372 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: dad character. 373 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: That would just be fun. Marico, I do. 374 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 3: I think it is one of the biggest things that 375 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: they need to reckon with when they put Logan into 376 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 3: the MCU, is his connection to Japan and how it 377 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: has been represented, and if there is a more inventive, 378 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 3: interesting way to do it. 379 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: There's kind of never like in a weird way the 380 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: culture has come to meet this moment. Like listen, Wolverine's 381 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: fascination with Japan has is obviously a long running part 382 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: of his personality, but it's a little bit depicted in 383 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: a pretty weird way. 384 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, corny, definitely corny. 385 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: There's really a cool opportunity now to do it in 386 00:19:58,840 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: interesting ways. 387 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 4: This guy spend a lot of time in Japan. 388 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 2: Yep, what does that mean over there? 389 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 4: How does like what does he know? Like what what 390 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 4: Japanese culture things does he know about? 391 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: Other than like this busheto and this Yes, like a Samuratha. 392 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: It's like we get it. 393 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 3: You've seen in a Kirikas hour movie logan, Like, let's 394 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: find out. 395 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: No, I think you're right. 396 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 3: Also potential with you know, having his son Dacon, you know, 397 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 3: having a Japanese Canadian character. I was always I was 398 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 3: always a big fan of maybe you know what if 399 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 3: you made a Japanese Canadian actor logan, what does that 400 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: look like? I think there's so many different ways to 401 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: do it. Also, super Producer Ian is in Tokyo right now, 402 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 3: and super Produced of comment is suggesting that this could 403 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: be a great reason for us to do an X 404 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: ray vision trip to Tokyo. So I would love that 405 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: I'm in Let's Disney. 406 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: Or whoever made this game, INSOMNIAX once or us. 407 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: We'll come and play your game in Japan. But yeah, Jason, 408 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think the time is right. 409 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 3: The time is nigh. Also, isn't it exciting to have 410 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: something X Men again that is just so invigorating and different? 411 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: Like when we go X Men ninety seven? 412 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 3: I feel like Marvel needs to be leaning in to 413 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: the stories where it can take more creative liberties. And 414 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: clearly with this game and with Wolverine, they realized they 415 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: could do something different and that's what we want to 416 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: see on screen as well. 417 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: Super excited for that. 418 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: Coming up next or interview with Dave Shilling, author of 419 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: Horror's New Wave fifteen years of Blumhouse. 420 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: Right back after this. 421 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 6: And we're back. 422 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: Delighted to welcome to the podcast. My old comrade, my 423 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: former co worker, my current group chat companion, Dave Shilling, 424 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: the writer of Horror's New Wave, The Chronicle of the 425 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: Rise and success of Blumhouse. 426 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 4: David, how are you? 427 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 6: I'm good. There's nothing better than writing a book that's 428 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 6: the rise and further rise versus like, oh, it's a 429 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 6: you know, keep rising. Yeah, it's just a rocket ship 430 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 6: to the moon. It's wonderful. 431 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, fifteen years of Blumhouse, it's pretty well. Dave, how 432 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: did you end up writing Horror's new wave? 433 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 6: That's a wonderful question. And I am going to out 434 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 6: a very good friend of mine who is part of 435 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 6: this story. So this book was originally offered to my 436 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 6: very good friend, Hallie Keefer, who is the head writer 437 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 6: of Love It or Leave It at Crooked, also the 438 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 6: horror podcast called Ruined, and she's like, I don't have time. 439 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 6: You should have my friend Dave do it. And I'm like, 440 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 6: I love this very good friend ex fiance, still my 441 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 6: best friend. And she, you know, she gives me her 442 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 6: crumbs sometimes, but they're delicious crumbs. So I was very 443 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 6: crumb Yeah, I was very blessed. 444 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 2: I accept crumbs. 445 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, me too. 446 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: While working on this what What? And we were talking 447 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: before we went on Mike about how cool. 448 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 6: The format is. 449 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: It's almost like a textbook where it gives you like 450 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: important statistical breakdowns of each film, how many kills, how 451 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 1: many jump scares, et cetera. What's what's your kind of 452 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: like top headline? Takeaways after working on this book. 453 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think besides the format of it, 454 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 6: which I think was really a wonderful synergy between what 455 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 6: I thought we should do and my editor and the 456 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 6: studio and all of that stuff, you know, having each 457 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 6: chapter be one movie, in the oral hittory part of 458 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 6: it all, in the graphics and the kill count, which 459 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 6: I think is probably one of the most fun parts 460 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 6: of the book. You get to see how many people died, 461 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 6: how they died in each movie. I think the really 462 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 6: important thing, and this is great if you are an 463 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 6: aspiring filmmaker, and I'm sure a lot of people listening 464 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 6: to this podcast are, is it teaches you the importance 465 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 6: of not having a lot of resources when you make 466 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 6: a film. Those early Blumhouse movies cost between one and 467 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 6: three million dollars. You think about Sinister, Insidious, The Purge. 468 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 6: These are huge movies that cost very little money. But 469 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 6: it guaranteed one creative freedom for the filmmaker and two 470 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 6: the ability to continue making movies. Right Like, that's the 471 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 6: thing that producers need to do more than anything is 472 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 6: turn a profit of some kind. And so if you 473 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 6: can guarantee that your film is going to come under 474 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 6: budget or around budget, and it's a low budget, and 475 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 6: that there's a market for that kind of cinema. You 476 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 6: can perpetuate a career and industry, and I think that's 477 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 6: what Jason Blum has been able to do his whole 478 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 6: career is perpetuate cinema that is affordable but also engaging. 479 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 6: And this is I think, in a lot of ways, 480 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 6: a textbook for the audience, for the reader, for the 481 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 6: would be filmmaker to learn how to make a film, 482 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 6: learn how to navigate the industry, and learn what's most 483 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 6: important about filmmaking, which is creativity. It's not about resources, 484 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 6: it's not about money, it's about being clever. 485 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: Mm hm. 486 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: They what was your horror origin? Like, when did you 487 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: first fall in love with horror? 488 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 6: That's a great question. Well, the world itself is quite scary, 489 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 6: and so I think horror is always going to be 490 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 6: a big part of my life because it's a way 491 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 6: to exercise some of the demons, so to speak. You know, 492 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 6: Pun intended that plague everybody, you know. I think everyone 493 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 6: can enjoy horror if they see it not as is 494 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 6: just a means to scare you, but a means to 495 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 6: deal with other trauma and This is the hot word, 496 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 6: right This is the word that Jamie Lee Curtis used 497 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 6: to me a lot in our interview about Halloween is 498 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 6: trauma is, you know, the motivating factor for a lot 499 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 6: of films right now. But I think my first horror 500 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 6: movie that I really loved. This is a tough one 501 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 6: because I love so many, but I would probably have 502 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 6: to say it was Nightmare on Elm Street, the original Nightmare. Okay, yeah, 503 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 6: because it combined the surreal kind of qualities that I 504 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 6: grew to love in more mature quote unquote cinema and 505 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 6: the pure thrill of the slasher, and also just the 506 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 6: humor of Freddy Krueger as a concepts as a character. 507 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 6: Robert England gives one of the great performances in that movie, 508 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 6: and then you know, kind of he becomes more of 509 00:26:54,359 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 6: like a Jim Carrey style comedian later on. It becomes 510 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 6: sillier and sillier. But that's just the nature of a 511 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 6: horror sequel. And you see that in pretty much every 512 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 6: major horror franchise is they get bigger, and they get broader, 513 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 6: and they get more ridiculous as they go on. But 514 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 6: the core element of that that story that your dreams 515 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 6: are going to kill you. I mean, who doesn't relate 516 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 6: to that. You wake up in a cold sweat so 517 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 6: often from a dream, And what if those were made real, 518 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 6: made manifest. 519 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: With that in mind, what would you say is the 520 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: kind of rush more of Blumhouse harmonies, the ones that 521 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: really defined what Blumhouse is attempting to do, and I 522 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: think and defines the studio for the fans. 523 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 6: Boy, that is hard because I think your mind initially 524 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 6: goes to the most recent properties, the bigger things that 525 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 6: have just come out. Right, Megan is now front and 526 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 6: center in so many Blumhouse things. Right, you go to 527 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 6: Hollywood Horror Knights at Universal Studios and there's a whole 528 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 6: Blumhouse experience, and they have Blumhouse merchandise, and the first 529 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 6: character you see is Megan, and Meghan was a huge hit, 530 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 6: and rightfully so. But I think if you really want 531 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 6: to encapsulate what Blumhouse is was and will be, it's 532 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 6: gotta be sinister. It's this small movie directed by Scott 533 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 6: Derrickson that he did after The Dai Leader Stood Still, Right, 534 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 6: that was his big studio movie. He's going to do 535 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 6: this sci fi remake starring Keanu reeves. It's going to 536 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 6: be a huge success. Right. Everybody's looking at that movie 537 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 6: and saying, this is it. You're going to be a 538 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 6: big director, You're going to be the next Spielberg or whatever. 539 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 6: And it was a big failure. You know, he talked 540 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 6: to me about it being a failure multiple times when 541 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 6: we talked, like a failure, not in the sense that he, 542 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 6: you know, felt untalented. Maybe he did in the moment, 543 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 6: but a failure in this incident didn't make money. It 544 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 6: wasn't creatively fulfilling for him. And so you get put 545 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 6: on a list. Everybody knows this in Hollywood. If you 546 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 6: if you have a bomb, you get put on a list. 547 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 6: And people are like, I don't know if this guy 548 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 6: or this this woman can do it. Maybe they don't 549 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 6: have the juice to make a hit movie. And what 550 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 6: happened is Scott and his co writers see Robert Cargill 551 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 6: come up with this idea. They take it to Blumhouse. 552 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 6: And Blum is a good judge of talent. I think 553 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 6: that's his number one greatest skill. It's his ability to 554 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 6: see the talent in people. And he said, I'll give 555 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 6: you you three million dollars or whatever, it is. The budget. 556 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 6: How much it costs is in the book, So if 557 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 6: I'm saying it wrong, check the book and then you'll know. Yeah, 558 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 6: so it's around three million dollars or so. If you 559 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 6: can make it for that, you do whatever you want. 560 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 6: You can have, you can have, you know, creative liberty 561 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 6: to do as you please. Just make it for three 562 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 6: million dollars. I believe in you, and those words I 563 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 6: believe in you. They're so rare in every creative endeavor, 564 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 6: but especially in film. It takes a long time for 565 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 6: you to be able to get people to say that 566 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 6: to you, because they're looking to doubt you immediately, and 567 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 6: they're looking to discard you, discount you, assume that you 568 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 6: don't know what you're doing. I've faced it a million 569 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 6: times in my career, and I will face it a 570 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 6: million more times until at some point someone says, I 571 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 6: believe in you, and I think Sinister besides being a 572 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 6: very early Blumhouse along with Insidious, and they get mixed 573 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 6: up all the time. People mix mix up those titles. 574 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 6: And I talked to Leewan l about this and James 575 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 6: Wan about how Insidious and Sinister are kind of like 576 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 6: weirdly connected in history, but also in those in the 577 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 6: sense that they're one word titles that kind of don't 578 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,239 Speaker 6: necessarily mean anything, but they they do mean something, right, 579 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 6: they're scary words. Those two movies were an opportunity for 580 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 6: two very talented filmmakers who had had, you know, failures, 581 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 6: box office failures, to reclaim their talent, reclaimed their their 582 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 6: space in the industry. And so I think Sinister especially, 583 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 6: but Sinator and Insidious are so important to the history 584 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 6: of Blumhouse. And I think if I had to pick 585 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 6: a third, it would be The Purge. All three of 586 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 6: those really define the esthetic, defined the mentality, and define 587 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 6: the mission statement of the company. 588 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 3: And you talked about speaking to leew and Al and 589 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 3: James Wan there is like a murderer's row of talent 590 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: in this book. You also interviewed m Night Shyamalan, you 591 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 3: interviewed Ethan Hawk, Jamie Lee Cutis. Was there anything that 592 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 3: really stood out when you were speaking to them, kind 593 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: of like a through line that you felt through all 594 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 3: these different people who have worked on these movies. 595 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 6: Gratitude, if that's if that's a fair thing to say, 596 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 6: I will say it. I think they're very grateful that 597 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 6: they had their careers turn out the way that they did. 598 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 6: And part of that success, part of that ability to 599 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 6: overcome all of the obstacles of show business was meeting 600 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 6: Jason Blum and his belief again in them. Right, belief 601 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 6: is the currency of the realm. If you don't have 602 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 6: people who believe in you, if they doubt you, they're 603 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 6: not going to give you money, they're going to give 604 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 6: you resources, they're not going to give you time an opportunity. 605 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 6: And so when you're a creative person and someone comes 606 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 6: along and says, I trust you, do whatever you want 607 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 6: for the most part, right Like, there's obviously there are 608 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 6: stories of test screenings where there are differences of opinion. 609 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 6: There are stories of you know, the hard work that 610 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 6: goes into developing a film or a franchise. And Cooper Samuelson, 611 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 6: who is one of the creative executives at Blumhouse, is 612 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 6: a huge part of a lot of these movies success. 613 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 6: And you can't discount that. It's a collaborative meeting filmmaking. 614 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 6: It's not a full a tourist medium. It's it's everybody 615 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 6: working together. But I think everyone would would would come 616 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 6: along and say, you know, I'm very grateful for this 617 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 6: opportunity that I got to have this moment, and Lee 618 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 6: wan Al tells a really great story about the reviews 619 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 6: coming in for Insidious and the grosses and kind of 620 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 6: how it felt bigger to do that than even Saw 621 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 6: and Saw it was a huge hit, and I'll remember 622 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 6: how huge and impactful Saw was, But there was something 623 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 6: about Insidious and the ownership that they had and the 624 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 6: crawling back from the sort of cinematic abyss that was 625 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 6: really meaningful to him. And he could recount that story 626 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 6: of that first screening like it was yesterday. 627 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 4: To talk to us about Jason, what is. 628 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: What made him decide to do this and what was 629 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: it that he saw in in the movie industry that 630 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: he was like, you know what, horror movies a kind 631 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: of boutique, a boutique horror movies studio, Because I think 632 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: one thing that you you spend any time looking at movies, 633 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: one thing becomes clear and it's alf budget's go up, 634 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: Budgets go down, they mostly go up, but. 635 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 4: One through line is cheap horror movies. 636 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: They never go out of style. The styles may change, 637 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: but a low budget horror movie has has a there's 638 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: an audience there somewhere for it. But what made Jason 639 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: Bloom decide that, Okay, that's where we're going, that's what 640 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. 641 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 6: Well. He tells a really great story in the first 642 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 6: chapter about Paranormal Activity, and he recounts how he had 643 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 6: a chance to get involved with Blair witche project and 644 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 6: it didn't happen, and he regretted this for years, and 645 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 6: Paranormal Activity comes along. He gets a DVD copy and 646 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 6: screener you know, back then it was all DVDs, and 647 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 6: he said, I have my second chance. Essentially, I can 648 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 6: make up for what I where I failed with with 649 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 6: Blair Witch not getting involved in that movie and that 650 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 6: huge success, and fix it with this. And I think 651 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 6: if Paranormal didn't become a huge hit, who knows what 652 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 6: his career would be like. It was really the rocket 653 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 6: ship that took him to the next level, allowed him 654 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 6: to create Blumhouse as a company. He was never just 655 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 6: a horror producer, right Like, that was not what his 656 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 6: initial foray into into Hollywood was. And there are a 657 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 6: lot of movies produced by Jason Blum that we don't 658 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 6: talk about in this book, right, like Whiplash, Ye, Black Clansmen, 659 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 6: movies that are huge movies that were very successful and 660 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 6: in Oscar worthy movies, but they weren't horror movies. Right. 661 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 6: I think the reason why horror became his thing is 662 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 6: because people wanted to see those movies. It's a profitable industry. 663 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 6: You said it, Jason. You know, budgets go out, budgets 664 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 6: go down, but horror is forever. The audience is incredibly loyal, 665 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 6: The audience wants to sample it, and it's a thing 666 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 6: that you can make very cheaply. You can scare people 667 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 6: with the with the kind of suggestion of a scary thing. 668 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 6: Jaws is the number one proof of concept for this. 669 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: Right. 670 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 6: If you're a filmmaker and something doesn't work, that's okay. 671 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 6: If a shark doesn't work, just only show the shark 672 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 6: one time and just use the music or use the 673 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 6: idea of it, the thought of it. You can not 674 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 6: show things and still scare people and still take them 675 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 6: on a ride. You can't do a superhero movie for 676 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 6: no money, you can't do a space epic for no money, 677 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 6: But you can do a horror movie for a million 678 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 6: dollars and it'll still be pretty good if you have talent. 679 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So after you know, this is about the 680 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 3: first fifteen years of Blumhouse is New Horror. Do you 681 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 3: have any kind of theories or insight into what do 682 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 3: you feel like the next fifteen years looks like after 683 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 3: writing this book, after everything you've learned. 684 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 6: That's a great question. I think the next fifteen years 685 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 6: of horror will be about getting back to basics. I 686 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 6: think a lot of the quote unquote elevated horror that 687 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 6: we've seen has diluted the marketplaces. There's too many horror movies. 688 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 6: And that's not to say that people shouldn't go out 689 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 6: and make horror movies. It's just that there needs to 690 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 6: be a next step. And we've seen the kind of 691 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 6: elevated horror movies the art horror enough, Let's have something 692 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 6: very maximalist, in brutal and scary and focused on the 693 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 6: the like traditional elements of horror. It's it's it's it's 694 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 6: been enough to have a movie that's you know, a 695 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 6: lot of dread and then one scare, like we need 696 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 6: to have a return to the great Slashers, the great 697 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 6: You know, I love Dario Argento and our Gento is 698 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 6: a maximalist at heart. You know, he made movies that 699 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 6: were bloody, that were sexy, that were strange, that had 700 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 6: weird music, that were colorful. 701 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, colorful. 702 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 6: Yeah. I think that's the next step in horror, is 703 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 6: is beautiful imagery and beautiful people and excitement and fun. Like, 704 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 6: we live in a very drab world, and a drab 705 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 6: world in the sense that you know, you you, everything 706 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 6: is very minimalist and tasteful and beige and boring to 707 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 6: look at. And I'm tired of that in movies. You know. 708 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 6: I think one of the things I give, I give 709 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 6: Megan a lot of credit for, is how colorful that 710 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 6: movie was, and how bright and and strange it was. 711 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 6: Five Nights at Freddy's. You know, I think that those 712 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 6: movies are are trying to tell stories in a very 713 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 6: esthetically different way, and I'm ready for that. Whatever you 714 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 6: think about you know, Jordan Peele and I love Jordan Peel, 715 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 6: And Jordan is in this book and speaks very candidly 716 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 6: about Get Out. He makes visually engaging movies. I love Nope. 717 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 6: I thought, Nope, that's my favorite, his best movie by far, 718 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 6: and it's a it's a thrill ride. It's not just 719 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 6: you know, the trauma stuff. The trauma stuff is there 720 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 6: all that in the psychological stuff, the commentary on race 721 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 6: and society and art. It's all there, but it's done 722 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 6: in a way that is so exciting. 723 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 4: Well, David, thank you so much. Horror's New Wave in 724 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 4: bookstore soon shortly. 725 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, go look for it September thirty. 726 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: September thirtieth, go look for it for you audio. And 727 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: it's really fun. I was we were saying before we 728 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: turned on the mics, like, as soon as I watch 729 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: one of these movies again, I'm gonna reach for this book. 730 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 4: So thank you for joining us. 731 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 6: You're very welcome. It's like a director's commentary on a 732 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 6: DVD that you can pick up anytime you want. 733 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 2: That's great. 734 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 4: Where can people find you? 735 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 6: Dave? I am at Dave underscore shilling on I gues X, 736 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 6: I'm atill on Instagram and uh yeah, that's all that matters. 737 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 6: What really matters is the book. 738 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: On the next week's episodes of X ray Vision, we're 739 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: diving into Peacemaker two oh six and looking ahead at 740 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 1: a Winter TV preview. That's it for this episode. Thanks 741 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: for listening. 742 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 2: Whoo bye. 743 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 4: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsi. 744 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 2: I'm Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcast. 745 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 3: Our executive producers a Joe Alminique and Aaron Kleman. 746 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 4: Our supervising produce her as Abu Safar. 747 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wack. 748 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 749 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 750 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman. 751 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 2: And Heidi Our discored moderator. 752 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 6: Aaron. 753 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: I can't wait. 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