Speaker 1: Charge.
Speaker 2: It's gonna go for an unfortunate too, and it's Lance
Speaker 2: probably on top touchdown brought in by Will Dishway.
Speaker 3: He had two last year and the eighth.
Speaker 4: Year chin End out of Washington puts the Chargers on
Speaker 4: the board with the years first school.
Speaker 5: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we know we're just big
Speaker 5: football dorc because we're feeling warm and fuzzy inside here
Speaker 5: in Mike Tarrico call an American football.
Speaker 1: Game in July.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a touchdown by Trey Lance. I gotta
Speaker 5: say this was one of the best Hall of Fame
Speaker 5: games of all time. There were actually a few little
Speaker 5: takeaways from it, but it was just nice to see
Speaker 5: a couple names we recognized with Trey Lance with a
Speaker 5: rookie Isaac Daslau. I'll get to a couple takeaways, but
Speaker 5: it's not gonna be much coming from the Hall of
Speaker 5: Fame game. We're gonna have a big conversation, really our
Speaker 5: first big primer to get you ready for fantasy football drafts,
Speaker 5: to start thinking about what your strategy is going to be,
Speaker 5: what to do at different positions, who you're looking for
Speaker 5: that has a good value. That's all coming up with
Speaker 5: Evan Silva and Pat Dherty. So that is an awesome conversation. First,
Speaker 5: I'm going to hit very quick few items of news
Speaker 5: and the Hall of Fame game, and then we'll talk
Speaker 5: a little fantasy since we tape the fantasy segment. Terry
Speaker 5: McLaurin decided he wants out of Washington. Whether this is
Speaker 5: a decision that is just driven to get a bigger contract, obviously,
Speaker 5: that's a big part of it. Ian Rappaport of NFL
Speaker 5: Network points out that you know it's a long shot.
Speaker 5: Usually you don't see a team that's trying to contend
Speaker 5: make a trade at this time of the season. But
Speaker 5: Terry McLaurin, who's been there forever, felt like he had
Speaker 5: no other card to play and it would be crazy
Speaker 5: for them to trade him.
Speaker 1: But I will say the old Washington regime.
Speaker 5: Like they would do something stupid like that, and this
Speaker 5: is a good test of the new ownership what the
Speaker 5: difference is going to be. And I will say other
Speaker 5: teams tame can make it uncomfortable for both Terry McLaurin
Speaker 5: and his agent and the commanders, because there are absolutely
Speaker 5: teams out there that will let him know if he
Speaker 5: doesn't already how valuable he would be if Washington opened
Speaker 5: up for a potential trade. So I'm looking at teams
Speaker 5: with a lot of cap space and a lot of
Speaker 5: desperation and a big time need, and immediately I think
Speaker 5: of the New England Patriots. Immediately I think of the
Speaker 5: Las Vegas Raiders. I think those are two teams that
Speaker 5: could fit Terry McLaurin into their books, and he would
Speaker 5: fit great on the roster and they would absolutely do it.
Speaker 5: I watching the game tonight, I thought, man Terry McLaurin
Speaker 5: on the other side of Lad McConkie, that would be incredible.
Speaker 5: The Chargers have a ton of cap space. And then
Speaker 5: you think about connections between teams, and you think about
Speaker 5: the former general manager, or rather assistant general manager of
Speaker 5: the forty nine Ers is now running the Commanders.
Speaker 1: That is a deal that could happen.
Speaker 5: We already saw the Deebo Samuel in terms of the
Speaker 5: team connection there, maybe something could get done. The reality
Speaker 5: is Washington needs to pay Terry McLaurin. It falls like
Speaker 5: a cliff after him, not just that receiver, but just
Speaker 5: for receivers in general. It is not a talented enough
Speaker 5: group for Jane Daniels to throw to. Terry mclaurin's been
Speaker 5: one of the ten best receivers in the league for
Speaker 5: a long time and he's held that organization up and
Speaker 5: I'm sure he wants to get paid close to top
Speaker 5: dollar and they're trying to save a little money on
Speaker 5: a guy that's getting older, and he's putting the screws
Speaker 5: to them. And ultimately I think that contract will get done,
Speaker 5: but other teams could make it interesting. I think they
Speaker 5: would offer a very good pick for Terry McLaurin, and
Speaker 5: certainly would offer a better contract than I bet Washington
Speaker 5: is offering right now. A couple other just little items
Speaker 5: of news to get through before we get to the fantasy,
Speaker 5: get to the Hall of Fame. Colton Miller, the left tackle,
Speaker 5: the Raiders signed a big contract extension with them forty
Speaker 5: two million dollars guaranteed, very similar to the deal that
Speaker 5: the Colts got done just a couple of days ago
Speaker 5: for a very good, maybe not top eight tackle, but
Speaker 5: a very good tackle on Colton Miller won less position
Speaker 5: for the Raiders to worry about when they have a
Speaker 5: lot of positions to worry about going into twenty six.
Speaker 5: In twenty seven, he'll be around Noah Fan who did
Speaker 5: a rare late free agency tour chose the Bengals.
Speaker 1: I think that was a smart decision. Joe Burrow plays for.
Speaker 5: The Bengals, even if he's gonna be behind Mike Gasicki
Speaker 5: at tight end. That was the best situation that he
Speaker 5: could put himself into compared to the Saints and the Dolphins.
Speaker 5: So I think that rounds out the Bengals receiver group,
Speaker 5: which is really really talented. We hadn't mentioned on the
Speaker 5: show the worst news for Cater Kohu, who was the
Speaker 5: Dolphin's best cornerback on the team. I know he was
Speaker 5: the slot, but he was the best cornerback on the team.
Speaker 5: He is out for the season. So I've been talking
Speaker 5: about how I do not trust that secondary at all,
Speaker 5: and they look even worse after some injuries in training camp.
Speaker 5: And then just an update on Isaiah Likely, the Ravens
Speaker 5: tight end. We thought he was just going to be
Speaker 5: out for a couple of weeks, but he will have
Speaker 5: surgery on his foot and be out at least six weeks,
Speaker 5: so seems like he's questionable ish for that Week one
Speaker 5: game against the Bills. Man, the NFL is really front
Speaker 5: loading those great games. So we got Ravens Bills on
Speaker 5: the first Sunday night football of the year. And by
Speaker 5: the way, happy trails to rugby star Luis Reese Zammitt,
Speaker 5: who I know a lot of our listeners were really excited,
Speaker 5: one of the biggest rugby stars in the world. And
Speaker 5: he came over to try his hand at football, and
Speaker 5: he was with the Chiefs and then the Jaguars didn't
Speaker 5: work out for him.
Speaker 1: He decides, I'm done with the NFL.
Speaker 5: I'm going back to the sport where I'm apparently one
Speaker 5: of the best young talents in the entire world twenty
Speaker 5: four years old. Didn't work at football. And you know,
Speaker 5: I mentioned that Ravens Bills game. That's the first Sunday
Speaker 5: night game of the year. And I do think NBC
Speaker 5: does its absolute best work during the Hall of Fame game,
Speaker 5: because you feel like it's a super They do such
Speaker 5: a good job with the production and the presentation. And meanwhile,
Speaker 5: it's Tendon Hooker and Trey Lance playing at a high
Speaker 5: school field in Ohio, and it got me really pumped
Speaker 5: up in a way that most of the preseason probably won't.
Speaker 5: We'll be covering it all but It was really great
Speaker 5: to just see football played again. It was great to
Speaker 5: see a first round pick in this game. The Chargers
Speaker 5: did have their starters out there very briefly, at least
Speaker 5: a few of them, certainly not at quarterback where Trey
Speaker 5: Lance started, but a few other ones Omari and Hampton
Speaker 5: got out there. Had one absolutely electric run in the
Speaker 5: red zone where you saw the speed and a little
Speaker 5: more shiftiness than you're used to getting down near the
Speaker 5: goal line. And then you saw another run where he
Speaker 5: got out in the open field and man, you thought
Speaker 5: that he was gonna score a touchdown and instead he
Speaker 5: got a little hesitanting He didn't always make guys miss
Speaker 5: that well in the open field on tape, and rock
Speaker 5: Ya Sin takes him down. So in terms of first rounders,
Speaker 5: that's all we really saw tonight. The takeaways were that
Speaker 5: Trey Lance looked comfortable for the first time, maybe ever
Speaker 5: in an NFL uniform. He is battling for that backup
Speaker 5: job with the Charger, so he will play a lot
Speaker 5: in this preseason, but right now you got to figure
Speaker 5: he is behind Taylor Heineke in that battle. But I
Speaker 5: saw something on Blue Sky which I agreed with Victoria Zeller,
Speaker 5: who is a good follow said, you just never saw
Speaker 5: Trey Lance look this normal, So it was nice to
Speaker 5: see Trey Lance just like look normal. Yeah, he's younger
Speaker 5: than Tyler Shuck. He's actually a little younger than Michael Pennix.
Speaker 5: Maybe he can settle in and just be like a
Speaker 5: normal backup and have a career, which would be an
Speaker 5: improvement from what we've seen from him so far. I
Speaker 5: mentioned Isaac Taslaw earlier, so that was the third round
Speaker 5: pick from Detroit who is just an absolute speed heightweight freak.
Speaker 5: Also has great hands, and he had two twenty yard
Speaker 5: plus catches from Kyle al And in the first half
Speaker 5: of that game, and man, you could see at the
Speaker 5: second he got the ball, the juice that he had
Speaker 5: immediately with a burst made you think, man, we will
Speaker 5: probably see him as a fourth or fifth receiver make
Speaker 5: a couple big plays for the.
Speaker 1: Lions this season.
Speaker 5: Not as consistent a night for the other rookie on
Speaker 5: the Lions that they really like, seventh round pick Dominic Lovett,
Speaker 5: who didn't bring down a catch early in the game,
Speaker 5: but then he made some nice scrabs the rest of
Speaker 5: the way. I think both of those guys are going
Speaker 5: to make the team, and they might be really good
Speaker 5: leverage for the Lions in contract negotiations, not having to
Speaker 5: give Jamison Williams that much money. If they really like
Speaker 5: these young guys, you can only pay so many people.
Speaker 5: That's about it in terms of my real deal takeaways.
Speaker 5: Both the options for the Lions for backup quarterbacks had
Speaker 5: bad moments. Kyle Allen threw a pick six Kyle Allen
Speaker 5: through another interception. He actually looked pretty good otherwise, and
Speaker 5: he started before Hendon Hooker, who came in the third
Speaker 5: round pick from a couple of years ago. They've been
Speaker 5: trying to talk up Hendon Hooker all offseason, and he
Speaker 5: did not look comfortable in this game. I know the
Speaker 5: pick six he threw at the end of the game
Speaker 5: was more bad luck. It was an interception where the
Speaker 5: Chargers defender just ripped the ball away, but otherwise Hendon
Speaker 5: Hooker did not look comfortable. Then again, he's playing with
Speaker 5: a bunch of second, third, fourth stringers, a lot of
Speaker 5: guys who won't be actually on rosters on Sundays in
Speaker 5: the fall. But it was very cool to have football
Speaker 5: back on my television and very cool to have my
Speaker 5: friends Silva and Roto Pat join me. Here is our
Speaker 5: big preview for fantasy football for twenty twenty five. All right,
Speaker 5: I am thrilled to be here with two of my
Speaker 5: absolute favorites in the industry too. Who I used to
Speaker 5: be down in the mills just pounding out those ROATA
Speaker 5: world player urbs with Evan Silva and Pat Doherty. Of course,
Speaker 5: Evan Silva now with established the run and Roto Pat,
Speaker 5: you're still keeping the lights on over at road a world.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been told I can never leave, so after
Speaker 2: you two left, unbeknownst to me, I didn't even know
Speaker 2: I had a contract.
Speaker 5: I signed a lifetime and looking at Silva if you're
Speaker 5: watching on YouTube, he is like in a dark dungeon.
Speaker 5: Silva is so all about ball that he doesn't even
Speaker 5: waste time to like turn on the lights. I love
Speaker 5: that about him. My inspiration Silva for this show. I
Speaker 5: think you'll like. This was from a text from the
Speaker 5: nephew of our great friend Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: One of the coolest things you know since.
Speaker 5: Wes's death that I've got to be part of is
Speaker 5: the fantasy football life of his nephew, Mackie Westling. He
Speaker 5: Chris and Mackie. We're gonna do this this league together.
Speaker 5: Before before Chris died, he was joining the league. He
Speaker 5: was all excited. He would always get his fantasy advice
Speaker 5: from his uncle Chris, and they had a really close
Speaker 5: bond over that and then and since since then through
Speaker 5: Phil and the Westling family. You know, his his nephew
Speaker 5: now plays in a league with my kids. He freaking
Speaker 5: won it last year and broke my kid's hearts. But
Speaker 5: we're always texted, and he texted me the other day
Speaker 5: he's always in a draft early. I'm like, don't be
Speaker 5: in a draft this early. He's like, Oh, who should
Speaker 5: I draft? What should I do?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't even know. I haven't thought
Speaker 5: about fantasy football at all. So I wanted to get
Speaker 5: it straight from you to the source. And we'll just
Speaker 5: do kind of a big picture first take, look at
Speaker 5: a lot of these fantasy positions. Uh, just trends everything,
Speaker 5: and I'll get I'll get the expertise. And this is
Speaker 5: kind of my intro session. And so let's start with
Speaker 5: with quarterbacks. Silva. I think big picture and we're talking redrafts.
Speaker 5: We're not getting into the whole best boss, you know,
Speaker 5: all that stuff, like we're talking for the average fait.
Speaker 3: You can sorcery witchcraft.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, it's all great, but and you can hit
Speaker 5: that if you want a little bit. But have you
Speaker 5: changed your strategy about drafting quarterbacks in redraft over the years?
Speaker 1: Like right this year? What is your strategy over the years?
Speaker 4: It has absolutely changed. I remember, you know, back in
Speaker 4: the day, it was all about late round quarterback, like
Speaker 4: that was the way to get value, and people would
Speaker 4: consistently overdraft quarterbacks and one of the biggest edges in
Speaker 4: fantasy became the late round quarterback. I remember you wrote
Speaker 4: an article too long time ago on wrote a world
Speaker 4: greg about drafting waiting in your draft and drafting two
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and kind of streaming them against the worst defenses.
Speaker 4: And that was a winning strategy, whereas people just assume, oh,
Speaker 4: quarterbacks is super important position. But with the explosion of passing,
Speaker 4: then you could get quarterbacks that were top ten, even
Speaker 4: top eight, top five really late in drafts. That has
Speaker 4: changed though, and that is with the advent of the
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that run in addition to put up putting up
Speaker 4: prolific passing statistics, and the best two examples of that
Speaker 4: right now are Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, and then
Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels also is potentially capable that he was not
Speaker 4: a prolific passer last timer. He was hyper efficient, but
Speaker 4: in terms of his overall numbers, but he ran for
Speaker 4: almost a thousand yards. And then Jalen Hurts with the
Speaker 4: tush push which is not going away, and he can
Speaker 4: be good as a passer and incredibly productive from a
Speaker 4: rushing touchdown standpoint. So and those guys deserve to go early.
Speaker 4: I mean, Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen should not get
Speaker 4: out of the third round, I don't think. And Jalen
Speaker 4: Hurts is like a fourth fifth round pick, as is
Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels, and then Joe Burrow belongs in like the
Speaker 4: sixth and seventh rounds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're talking a little bit about, you know,
Speaker 5: the average drafts, but I tell you and these kids drafts,
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks go earlier. In the basics drafts, that goes earlier.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the ADP from fantasy pros who kind
Speaker 5: of averages a bunch of places.
Speaker 1: So I feel like that's a good one.
Speaker 5: And yeah, Lamar and Josh are going like late second
Speaker 5: round and Jayden and Jalen Hurts might be even in
Speaker 5: the third round. So if you want them like, you
Speaker 5: can get them and and it makes sense to me
Speaker 5: because to me, it's maybe the one position we're just
Speaker 5: taking them where their average draft position has been and
Speaker 5: them hitting about par or a little better the last
Speaker 5: few years has been league winners, Like I see it
Speaker 5: in these leagues.
Speaker 1: My kids do, and I do like if.
Speaker 5: You just kind of took Lamar and Josh Allen and
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts where they were supposed to go the last
Speaker 5: few years, there's a lot of league winners there because
Speaker 5: of that. So there is something about it to me
Speaker 5: where you're comparing them to some pretty shaky running backs
Speaker 5: that are available at that spot or even the wide receivers,
Speaker 5: and to me, like I feel much better about those
Speaker 5: four specifically, like when you draft Pat, are you ending
Speaker 5: up with those guys?
Speaker 1: And what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, first off, just real quick, let me say, in
Speaker 2: a workforce that included Greg Rosenthal, Evan Silva, and Chris Westling,
Speaker 2: I was the alpha. Was the I was the twenty
Speaker 2: four year old alpha amongst all those lumin.
Speaker 1: Areas of there, You're the funniest. You're the funniest.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for that incorrect praise, but you truly
Speaker 2: had to pinch myself who I was working with back
Speaker 2: in the day at rotor world dot Com. Evan laid
Speaker 2: it out so well, where like late round quarterback is dead,
Speaker 2: but it's just like a variation of it. I would say,
Speaker 2: now it's either early or late where you still want
Speaker 2: to avoid like the muddled middle. There is something to
Speaker 2: be said like not having a stream at quarterback too,
Speaker 2: by the way, like that's a fringe benefit of early
Speaker 2: round quarterback that some people don't point out, Like listen, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm just in my home league, Like I don't want
Speaker 2: to be grinding matchups every week, Like this is like
Speaker 2: an inconvenience. I don't need raising my kids and working
Speaker 2: my job. That's another factor of early round quarterback. But
Speaker 2: the end of like the Breeze Brady Manning Roethlisberger Golden Age,
Speaker 2: there was just seriously like no point in taking in
Speaker 2: quarterback for like the tenth or eleventh round, cause they
Speaker 2: were so jumbled together, it was so deep. As Evan
Speaker 2: points out, that is no longer the case where there's
Speaker 2: been a breakaway tier at the top of the true
Speaker 2: dual threats, and like Cam Newton was kind of the
Speaker 2: beginning of that, but there's been a lot of Cam
Speaker 2: Newton's successors. Cam was a great passer, but there's been
Speaker 2: Cam Newton success who were elite passers and like truly
Speaker 2: elite at both running and passing. That does this kind
Speaker 2: of change the game at quarterback. But then if you
Speaker 2: miss on that tier, you shouldn't be panicking like, oh,
Speaker 2: I gotta get Kyler Murray, I got to get Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 2: like guys in the middle where you should still let
Speaker 2: them come to them come to you. But another dynamics
Speaker 2: too is that people have just gotten so much smarter
Speaker 2: and more sophisticated and savvier about drafting, even your home
Speaker 2: league people. Or there were years Jayden and Daniels. Last
Speaker 2: year this kind of did happen. Like dual threats though,
Speaker 2: just don't usually fall like the eleventh or twelfth round anymore.
Speaker 2: There's kind of no such thing as a sleeper, so
Speaker 2: that's been another dynamic this year, justin fields is kind
Speaker 2: of falling. But so yeah, the dual threats have broken away.
Speaker 2: The sleepers don't fall nearly as far as they used to.
Speaker 2: So early round quarterback is back. But yes, if you miss,
Speaker 2: if you miss on the breakaway tier, then don't force it.
Speaker 2: Go old school late round quarterback.
Speaker 4: Another member, another member of the muddled middle is, or
Speaker 4: at least has been, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: I know, it's it's just devastation.
Speaker 4: Was an elite fantasy producer for his first four seasons
Speaker 4: as a starter, and over the last two years it's
Speaker 4: been a detriment to draft Patrick Mahomes where he's been going.
Speaker 4: And I think one of the bigger questions this year
Speaker 4: is can he get back to that, you know, forty
Speaker 4: touchdown sort of level of production. And you know, I
Speaker 4: mean I was kind of optimistic about that. At one point,
Speaker 4: Rashie Rice was coming back, looked like he was healthy.
Speaker 4: Hollywood Brown is healthy, Xavier worthy as a chance to
Speaker 4: take a second year leap. Kelsey is still a fairly
Speaker 4: usable possession receiver. The offensive line looks really good, especially
Speaker 4: with Josh Simmons already grabbing that first string left tackle spot.
Speaker 4: But then Rashie Rice gets a suspension and or at
Speaker 4: least a suspension is forthcoming, and so that kind of
Speaker 4: threw a wrench that ken Patrick Mahomes be worth a
Speaker 4: fifth round fantasy pick. He certainly hasn't been the last
Speaker 4: two years.
Speaker 1: No, he's been a disaster. He's been a league loser.
Speaker 5: That was one of the topics I was going to
Speaker 5: throw out is I do think I would take Mahomes
Speaker 5: this year just for the simple fact of anyone that's
Speaker 5: gotten drafted that highly year after year after year, you
Speaker 5: can get him in the late fifth or sixth.
Speaker 1: Now this is the year to do it.
Speaker 5: And I do think there is something that is beyond
Speaker 5: the numbers. That is the fact that he knows where
Speaker 5: he's viewed and he's accepted like taking worse stats for
Speaker 5: the team, But there is something about this season where
Speaker 5: I think he's going to be motivated to have better stats,
Speaker 5: and that is it's the best receiver group when they're
Speaker 5: all healthy and Rahi Rice will be back presumably for
Speaker 5: the fantasy playoffs when it really matters, and to me,
Speaker 5: it's the best receiver group they've had.
Speaker 1: I think Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 5: Is underrated in fantasy leagues this year. And you mentioned
Speaker 5: the offensive line. It's a really good offensive line, so
Speaker 5: part of me doesn't want to overthink it too much.
Speaker 5: I would rather have Mahomes in the fifties than Daniels
Speaker 5: or Hurts probably or maybe even Lamar Josh Allen where
Speaker 5: they are maybe not, but it is interesting these two guys,
Speaker 5: both him and then Herbert, who's more of a QB
Speaker 5: two pat But these two guys who are viewed as
Speaker 5: top five or six NFL quarterbacks that aren't getting the
Speaker 5: fantasy love this year. And I kind of like both
Speaker 5: their offensive line, so to me, it is a year
Speaker 5: to buy them, as opposed to the guys that you
Speaker 5: mentioned in the middle. I was stunned to see Baker
Speaker 5: Mayfield and bow Knicks as top eight fantasy quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: They're fine, but I just this is not the year
Speaker 1: to get them.
Speaker 3: Baker.
Speaker 2: I think it's just because he breaks the modern mold
Speaker 2: in that he cares about more than efficiency. We're now
Speaker 2: like everything's so optimized now the quarterbacks all they care
Speaker 2: about is efficiency. They care about avoiding turnovers. He led
Speaker 2: the league in touchdowns and interceptions, honestly, kind of a
Speaker 2: great mix. Like he's taking chances, he's just chucking it
Speaker 2: up there. I of course do not think.
Speaker 3: He's going to repeat that.
Speaker 2: I agree with you that I think we're going to
Speaker 2: get warpath Mahomes because he's got to hear what people
Speaker 2: are saying about it. The dude too, This is so trivial.
Speaker 2: But he got a ninety five from Madden instead of
Speaker 2: a ninety nine, Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: Like I bet him at number two in the last
Speaker 5: twenty five years of just like the best players. He
Speaker 5: is in a career arc of someone who is that good.
Speaker 5: He can't have too many of these seasons like the
Speaker 5: last two, and I don't think he will, so just
Speaker 5: thinking about his career arc in general, I just can't
Speaker 5: really buy that it's gonna lie.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: I just worry that now he knows he's he's playing a.
Speaker 2: One man game at this point, it's him versus Tom
Speaker 2: Brady because he's already accomplished more than just about everyone else.
Speaker 2: He wants to somehow get to seven. He knows he
Speaker 2: can have success just muddling by. Not that he wants
Speaker 2: to muddle by, but he knows he doesn't have to
Speaker 2: like sell out his body or whatever, like get the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, like he can grind out victories. And I
Speaker 2: do worry, like they've gotten like too comfortable in Golden
Speaker 2: State Warriors mode, like a regular season doesn't even matter,
Speaker 2: Like who cares, Like, we don't need to throw for
Speaker 2: four hundred yards.
Speaker 5: I think he wants it. I think he wants to
Speaker 5: He wants to be exciting. Again, I don't know why
Speaker 5: I think that we stientistically.
Speaker 4: He was one of the worst deep ball passers in
Speaker 4: the league last year, and apparently his primary focus this
Speaker 4: offseason has been to improve his deep ball and so
Speaker 4: I don't you know whether or not he can accomplish that.
Speaker 4: We'll see. I mean he should be. I mean he
Speaker 4: used to be one of the best deep ball passers
Speaker 4: in the league. But you know, Xavier Worthy is in
Speaker 4: Hollywood Brown. If those guys are healthy, like those guys
Speaker 4: are deep ball receivers, So if he starts hitting the
Speaker 4: deep ball, then I mean all bets are off.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm looking at these ADPs and we'll move
Speaker 5: on to running backs after this, not out you know,
Speaker 5: outside him, after you get we get past Mahomes, here
Speaker 5: are some average apposition guys. I kind of like Kyler
Speaker 5: Murray as the QB nine. I'm still buying, don't get
Speaker 5: you know, I'm buying that.
Speaker 3: Kyler's only good in fantasy, So that's.
Speaker 5: Right, But I think he could be even better Jared
Speaker 5: Goffett at QB twelve if you are going to be
Speaker 5: the one way to and you want to take a
Speaker 5: chance on your other guy like I wouldn't. I wouldn't
Speaker 5: hate a Jared goff at QB twelve and Anthony Richardson
Speaker 5: at the end of your draft like that's fine with me.
Speaker 5: I think goff is a nice, you know, safe piece
Speaker 5: of like tasty, you know, white bread and butter that
Speaker 5: you're gonna that you're gonna enjoy in the end. Drake
Speaker 5: May at QB eighteen, that's kind of intriguing to me.
Speaker 5: Among the kind of the later qbs, it could be deep.
Speaker 5: Like I said with Richardson, to me, Richardson is just
Speaker 5: a good value play if if you're getting him at
Speaker 5: the very end of your draft, I mean, I think
Speaker 5: it's worth the shot. Give me a QB two or
Speaker 5: outside the top eight qbs that you guys are drafting
Speaker 5: and looking for.
Speaker 4: For me, it's Justin Fields this year. And that's just
Speaker 4: almost entirely because I think he's gonna run. They're gonna
Speaker 4: run him like crazy, because that's the way that Justin
Speaker 4: Fields would beat up on Aaron Glenn's defenses in Detroit.
Speaker 4: I mean every time that they would play, Justin Fields
Speaker 4: was running all over the Lions. Obviously Aaron Glenn was
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. That now is the Jets head coach. I mean,
Speaker 4: Justin Fields has a top six fantasy quarterback finish on
Speaker 4: his Resume's only twenty six years old. During that top
Speaker 4: six finish, he ran for eleven and forty three yards
Speaker 4: and eight touchdowns. If he can be a twenty touchdown
Speaker 4: pass guy and run for one thousand yards, which I
Speaker 4: think is very much within his range of petrol outcomes,
Speaker 4: Justin Field is gonna crush whatever his ADP is. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't care if it's quarterback eight, depending where you look,
Speaker 4: quarterback twelve, he will crush that ADP.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Evan, he could like win leagues, be three for
Speaker 2: like twenty five touchdowns, like say, really exceeded expectations or
Speaker 2: Fields is the obvious one. I'm in love with him too,
Speaker 2: because he's the rare dual threat who is falling Dak
Speaker 2: Prescott's around QB twelve. He could lead the league in
Speaker 2: attempts like I feel, you know, MVP runner up two
Speaker 2: years ago. Then some really low guys. I mean Michael Pennix.
Speaker 2: If he's like an attempts or a quarterback stat guy,
Speaker 2: he could way out produce Q one even Tua. I
Speaker 2: will say QB twenty two, Oh, I love QB. I
Speaker 2: love to QB twenty two. There's gonna be yards there.
Speaker 2: I know it's like they'll play greg last year, like
Speaker 2: the twenty twelve to twenty fourteen Peyton Manning offense. Well, like,
Speaker 2: never throw it deep, Just throw it one million times
Speaker 2: over the middle as quickly and accurately as possible and
Speaker 2: stack up your stats that way.
Speaker 3: So even that, I think even two was an interesting one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and their schedule in general, like the AFC East
Speaker 5: schedule last year was hard all around, and this year
Speaker 5: it's easy all around. I think we'll put a pin
Speaker 5: in that when we talk receivers, because I think their
Speaker 5: receivers are are undervalued because because there's gonna there's gonna
Speaker 5: be yards there. All right, let's get to running backs.
Speaker 5: But before that, let's take a quick break. Oh, it's
Speaker 5: Silva season. I mean it's Rodopath seasons. But I feel
Speaker 5: like I feel like you kind of get the same
Speaker 5: pad all year.
Speaker 1: He loves he loves his football. But Silva is like.
Speaker 5: A machine that you just unplug him from January to August.
Speaker 5: It's just not the same. Now he's plugged back in
Speaker 5: and he's feeling life. Let's talk running back, Silva. I
Speaker 5: feel like these are where the biggest mistakes happen.
Speaker 1: It's where leagues are are.
Speaker 4: One.
Speaker 5: I still feel like the position gets pushed up too much,
Speaker 5: but I get wise strategy wise, when you look at
Speaker 5: kind of the big two or three at the top,
Speaker 5: I guess this year is Saquan, you know, Bijon and Gibbs,
Speaker 5: and Bijon said that's how that's how his name is
Speaker 5: really pronounced, rhymes with djon.
Speaker 1: That's your top three there.
Speaker 5: The next group is is Derek Henry, the big dog
Speaker 5: back in first rounds Like Silva had all along, he
Speaker 5: never he never gave up on Henry and.
Speaker 1: Was incredibly right last year.
Speaker 5: CMCs back there with a little a little further in
Speaker 5: the first round, Ashton genty, maybe Devon eighth Chan is
Speaker 5: like sneaking into first round. So they're still going high
Speaker 5: and they're still going in the second round. Are the
Speaker 5: running backs back and kind of give me your overall
Speaker 5: like view of the position and who are some of
Speaker 5: your favorites of the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the way that you described it was perfect.
Speaker 4: I mean, for a guy who's retired from fantasy football,
Speaker 4: you summed it up real nicely there, Greg Rosenthal. That
Speaker 4: is this is where leagues are won and lost, no question,
Speaker 4: you know. It's it's a position where you know you're
Speaker 4: hoping that you're hope, you are literally hoping that the
Speaker 4: player you draft gets runs into three hundred car crashes,
Speaker 4: is able to run into three hundred car crashes over
Speaker 4: the course of you know, seventeen Sundays and makes it
Speaker 4: out alive, you know, because that's what these guys are doing.
Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley last year, including playoffs, had four hundred and
Speaker 4: eighty two touches the last run.
Speaker 1: Worried. I'm a little worried. I'm the only person that's
Speaker 1: a little worried. I feel.
Speaker 4: There's also Jamir Gibbs and Bijon Robinson. They were born
Speaker 4: like a month or two apart. They are both five
Speaker 4: years younger than Saquon Barkley. Okay, so for me, there's
Speaker 4: just enough risk and I have them all in the
Speaker 4: same tier, and I have them all as top six picks,
Speaker 4: but I have Saquon Barkley at the end of that tier,
Speaker 4: and I have Gibbs and Bijon a top it. Right now,
Speaker 4: I have Gibbs number one. Now people will say, oh,
Speaker 4: but we can't find the workload projection for him because
Speaker 4: David Montgomery's coming back. I think that the Lions, they
Speaker 4: have one of the toughest schedules in the league. They
Speaker 4: lost both of their coordinators. I don't think they're going
Speaker 4: to be as dominant as they have been in previous years.
Speaker 4: I think they're still going to be a really good
Speaker 4: team ten and seven or something like that, but not
Speaker 4: like a thirteen or fourteen win team, and they're going
Speaker 4: to be in more competitive games. And their new coordinator,
Speaker 4: John Morton, is going to streamline the offense and he's
Speaker 4: going to have to play his best players in more
Speaker 4: competitive situations. And I think that by the end of
Speaker 4: the year we'll be talking about Jim Gives is the
Speaker 4: best running back in football.
Speaker 2: I love that take from Evan. I also think that
Speaker 2: dovetails with Greg's Jared Goff take where I'm definitely expecting
Speaker 2: like a bit of the Lions fall off and where
Speaker 2: just they're gonna have to really pump up Jared Goff's
Speaker 2: attempts probably a level higher than they're really comfortable with.
Speaker 2: So I love that take on the Lions, And to me,
Speaker 2: running back this year writ large, it's it's definitely as
Speaker 2: back as it's been in a while, where it almost
Speaker 2: seems like the running back aging curve has been obliterated
Speaker 2: or there's at least balance restored, or there's still an
Speaker 2: aging curve. But like in the eighties, nineties, seventies, the
Speaker 2: truly elite backs like last beyond the aging curve and
Speaker 2: are productive into their early thirties. Because it was getting
Speaker 2: kind of strange ten or fifteen years ago, like twenty
Speaker 2: seven to twenty eight was like a hard ceiling at
Speaker 2: running back and it's almost like, as the game changed
Speaker 2: so much, and is it just too much of a
Speaker 2: young man's game now? Turns out no, the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame level talents can still produce into their early thirties.
Speaker 2: And this year run back this feels so much better
Speaker 2: because you know, last year it was perceived to be
Speaker 2: a bad running back draft class aside from Bucky Irving
Speaker 2: that was very much born out in fantasy football. This
Speaker 2: year is so much deeper. There's so many more like
Speaker 2: second to fourth round picks who are projecting for maybe
Speaker 2: immediate committee roles with the upside for more. So it's
Speaker 2: just a deeper player playing pool and that the older
Speaker 2: guys are producing longer and we got a much needed
Speaker 2: talent infusion on the young end. I feel like this
Speaker 2: year running backs, so it's a deeper player pool running.
Speaker 5: Back, that's true, and yet I don't want any of
Speaker 5: these second round running backs I don't think. Like to me,
Speaker 5: it's a huge drop off from that big six we
Speaker 5: just talked about to begin with, which is Saqua and
Speaker 5: Bijon Gibbs, Henry McCaffrey, who you know, obviously there's a risk,
Speaker 5: but it's football. If you can get c you know,
Speaker 5: if you can get McCaffrey at the end, you know,
Speaker 5: anywhere in your first round, I'm just gonna take my
Speaker 5: chance and do it. Ashton Genty too is in that
Speaker 5: group for me, And then it's like, man, you're talking
Speaker 5: about I know, Devonhchan like per snap and.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of questions.
Speaker 5: At some point, I think I got to go with
Speaker 5: like I think, being like a great football player that's
Speaker 5: extremely consistent matters a lot, and Josh Jacobs has had.
Speaker 1: An up and down career.
Speaker 5: Ah Chan, I don't know, Like Bucky Irving's a good player,
Speaker 5: but I'm not putting him in that category. When you're
Speaker 5: comparing these guys and Jonathan Taylor and maybe Chase Brown's
Speaker 5: in that mex too, And so these are the second
Speaker 5: round guys, you're comparing these to some of the best
Speaker 5: players in all of football, these wide receivers and even
Speaker 5: throwing Lamar and Josh Allen. That to me, I would
Speaker 5: just much rather have on my fantasy team going into
Speaker 5: the year than any of these guys. So if you
Speaker 5: don't wind up with the you know, one of the
Speaker 5: great running backs that you know in your first round,
Speaker 5: because it just doesn't happen that way. Like, I'm cool
Speaker 5: just waiting and loading up at receiver and running back
Speaker 5: because you're right there are there are then some pretty
Speaker 5: intriguing maybe third, fourth, fifth round guys. I'll go to
Speaker 5: you first with this one, Pat Like, who is a third, fourth,
Speaker 5: fifth round guy or two that you like?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll just say I do love Bucky so much.
Speaker 2: I know he's undersized, but such a rare rookie combination.
Speaker 5: But you're just paying for full value from the nine
Speaker 5: incredible games he had, so he has to just do
Speaker 5: that or else or else. Like there's like, to me,
Speaker 5: he's getting taken away before, like a Lad McConkie, for instance.
Speaker 5: You can't like, Ladi McConkie is not gonna have a
Speaker 5: bad season. He's just he's just he's such a no.
Speaker 3: He's not.
Speaker 2: But it was such a rare rookie combination of efficiency
Speaker 2: and actual production. The two games that mattered most, he
Speaker 2: out touched Rashad White forty to three. We're kind of
Speaker 2: like what Evan was saying, what the Lions might have
Speaker 2: to do with Jamiir Gibbs. The Bucks just had to
Speaker 2: admit Bucky Irving was better than Rashad White in Week
Speaker 2: eighteen in the wild card round and ride him. They
Speaker 2: want Rashad White to still be involved, but I think
Speaker 2: Rashad White will be a luxury for when they're like
Speaker 2: dictating the pace of play and know if it's winning time,
Speaker 2: if the game is competitive, they're going have to really
Speaker 2: lean on Bucky.
Speaker 3: I mean the mid rounds.
Speaker 2: I mean, O'maron Hampton was a guy the fantasy community
Speaker 2: already loved before the Nija Harris situation became the weirdest
Speaker 2: situation in fantasy football.
Speaker 5: Wait, why is he going in the fourth round? And
Speaker 5: that was in like I said, I don't look at
Speaker 5: these numbers, and then I look at him right before
Speaker 5: a show like this and it does hit me in
Speaker 5: a different way than you. To me, that was one
Speaker 5: of the most surprising things. If I had seen him
Speaker 5: at overall eighteen, RB eleven, I would have been like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: that makes sense. Everyone loves like a totally complete beast
Speaker 5: of a rookie running back with a great quarterback like
Speaker 5: that would have checked out to me. And instead he's
Speaker 5: down in the forties or something, So sign me up
Speaker 5: for Marion Hampton.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care about Naja Harris.
Speaker 2: This is probably just an ADP artifact too, isn't it, Evan,
Speaker 2: Where like the post Naji injury, reality hasn't really caught up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean in the draft that I do on,
Speaker 4: Marion Hampton does not get out of the third round, okay,
Speaker 4: and that's where he belongs. I think you can make
Speaker 4: an argument that he belongs on the the two three
Speaker 4: turn I have him as the RB twelve overall. The
Speaker 4: thing that can see you guys talked about Bert Bucky
Speaker 4: Irving earlier. The thing that concerns me about Bucky Irving
Speaker 4: is Tristan Worf's injury. If you look, I mean, he's
Speaker 4: maybe the best, He's one of the best players in
Speaker 4: the NFL, not just left tackles, and if you look
Speaker 4: back at the history of premier tackles in the league,
Speaker 4: and like they're on and off splits when they're at
Speaker 4: like Lane Johnson's on and off splits when he's out
Speaker 4: and when he's in huge difference for the Eagles in
Speaker 4: terms of production. Trent Williams in San Francisco. Remember how
Speaker 4: Jason Garrett's offenses in Dallas would completely fall apart whenever
Speaker 4: Tyrone Smith would be out, Like they couldn't they couldn't
Speaker 4: deal with it, They couldn't make any adjustments, you know.
Speaker 4: But I mean that Tristan Wurf's is on those guys level.
Speaker 4: And that's the big concern that I have with Bucky Irving.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily he's way better than Rashad White, you know,
Speaker 4: and I do think that Rashad White is going to
Speaker 4: cut into his stuff a little bit. But the Tristan
Speaker 4: Worf's injury kind of scares me really for everyone in
Speaker 4: the Tampa offense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you, and we've learned this over the years.
Speaker 5: It is unpredictable. It could be one where you don't
Speaker 5: want to overreact too much. Like if Dresin Wurths is
Speaker 5: out there in Week three, which seems like a totally reasonable,
Speaker 5: you know scenario, then no harm, no foul when it
Speaker 5: really matters, who are are some of the guys, Evan,
Speaker 5: you're finding outside maybe the top ten that you're drafting
Speaker 5: quite a bit this year.
Speaker 4: See, I love Chase Brown, and you know, he was
Speaker 4: a guy who was a workhorse at Illinois, and then
Speaker 4: he came into the league. In his first year, he
Speaker 4: was like sort of pigeonholed as a guy that was
Speaker 4: like maybe like a niche back. But then we saw
Speaker 4: last year that he could be that extreme workhorse that
Speaker 4: he was at Illinois, and he averaged over the final
Speaker 4: eight games for the Bengals, he averaged twenty four touches
Speaker 4: per game, for over one hundred and sixteen total yards
Speaker 4: per game, and almost a touchdown per game. And I'm
Speaker 4: really buying the Bengals offense that they're just gonna score
Speaker 4: a ton of points. They just cut Zack Moss, so
Speaker 4: it's gonna be Chase Brown, and then samaj p Rn,
Speaker 4: who's a player that he'll see the field a little bit,
Speaker 4: but they don't like try to get him the ball,
Speaker 4: and then TODJ. Brooks. I think there's a decent late
Speaker 4: sleeper for you, the sixth round pick, Todje Brooks. But
Speaker 4: Chase Brown is a guy that I think actually belongs
Speaker 4: in the second round and certainly should not be getting
Speaker 4: out of the third round.
Speaker 5: I'll buy that as a guy who's gonna have a
Speaker 5: ton of receiving value, Like I might rather have him
Speaker 5: than Hn, certainly for the price, but just in general
Speaker 5: on that offense.
Speaker 1: It just feel like a little safer just that he's
Speaker 1: gonna last.
Speaker 5: I'm with you some other guys that where they're at
Speaker 5: I was intrigued by, like James Cook really isn't getting
Speaker 5: that pop off after all those touchdowns. I know it's
Speaker 5: a good backfield there, but to me, he's just a
Speaker 5: great eight football player. He's really good and on a
Speaker 5: great team, and I know the situation isn't perfect, but
Speaker 5: wherever he's going, I'm I think I'm gonna be fine
Speaker 5: with it James Connor, like, I buy what they're selling
Speaker 5: that he's just gonna get almost all the workload there,
Speaker 5: and then, uh, I'm not giving up on my guy Remandre.
Speaker 5: You know he's down there in the in the deep thirties.
Speaker 5: I'd rather have him than Travion Henderson.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't get quite buying Traveon Henderson as a rookie
Speaker 5: back who I think is gonna have a somewhat limited
Speaker 5: role there, and he's getting taken as like the RB
Speaker 5: twenty five Pat, do you have some guys you're trying
Speaker 5: to stay away from?
Speaker 2: Well, real quick on Remandre. Let's say what worries me
Speaker 2: any of those? What will worries me is Josh me Daniels.
Speaker 2: I feel like his guys type of guy. Remondre's not
Speaker 2: his guy. Travion was way Why isn't he his guy?
Speaker 2: Didn't he play great under Josh mcdana. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I forget his fifth tour of duty in New England.
Speaker 3: But he came in and what's the first thing he
Speaker 3: tells them to do?
Speaker 4: A draft?
Speaker 3: A second round running back?
Speaker 1: That's fair. It's just he's so deep.
Speaker 5: He's a guy that you know what is getting taken
Speaker 5: so high that like, if he's your RB four, that
Speaker 5: sounds crazy to me.
Speaker 3: Very quickly too.
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara finishes the RB five by average PPR points
Speaker 2: last year, it's like the RB eighteen or nineteen. He's
Speaker 2: like Mike Evans. Every year no one wants to draft
Speaker 2: him because he's old. Then every year his team doesn't
Speaker 2: have a better idea. The Saints don't have a better
Speaker 2: idea than giving Alvin Kamara the ball. You know, way
Speaker 2: too many times, way too many receptions. DeAndre Swift is
Speaker 2: a guy who literally his entire career.
Speaker 3: Has been like one long fantasy disappointment.
Speaker 2: You don't want him, you're saying no, I'm saying you
Speaker 2: never do until now, because truly, what do they have
Speaker 2: beyond DeAndre Swift? Like Roshawn Johnson, I feel like is
Speaker 2: not going to be a huge concern for DeAndre. He's
Speaker 2: a guy who's disappointed fantasy managers so many times. Or
Speaker 2: I feel like it can maybe finally happen this year
Speaker 2: for DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 3: Who do I not want?
Speaker 2: I mean Joe Mixon of course become a rather radioactive.
Speaker 5: I even wanted Joe Mixon anyways, I don't want Brice Hall.
Speaker 5: That's another guy that I want.
Speaker 2: Just I know Brice. I was like, listen, he's better
Speaker 2: than Braylan Allen. There's no way it's gonna be a
Speaker 2: three man backfield. I will be a two man backfield.
Speaker 2: But the brail and drum drumbeat refuses to cease, and
Speaker 2: it is becoming concerning for Breeshall, who, yeah, is veteran
Speaker 2: fantasy in real life, let's put it that way, and
Speaker 2: hasn't even been that great in fantasy of late, So
Speaker 2: it's getting a little late early for Breesaw.
Speaker 4: If we're moving into the later rounds. There are three
Speaker 4: rookies that I think that stand out. One of them
Speaker 4: is Cam Skataboo Giants. Now I'm concerned that the Giants
Speaker 4: are going to stink, that they might end up playing
Speaker 4: starting three different quarterbacks over the course of the season.
Speaker 4: And Tyrone Tracy is good. I mean, he's not going
Speaker 4: to go away, but Cam Scataboo is built to capitalize
Speaker 4: on high value touches. He can play in the passing game,
Speaker 4: and he's going to be the guy at the goal
Speaker 4: line over Tyrone Tracy. He's an awesome football player. I
Speaker 4: know he runs four to six or whatever, But he
Speaker 4: is an awesome football player. I think anybody that has
Speaker 4: seen him play even a little bit knows that that
Speaker 4: dude is awesome at football. I think that a guy
Speaker 4: who might not be as good at football but is
Speaker 4: in a great situation has some Devont eight chan in him.
Speaker 4: Is Jayden Blue of Dallas, who's started to generate some
Speaker 4: positive buzz. You've got Miles Sanders there, you got Javonte
Speaker 4: Williams there. You know, Pat mentioned the possibility that the
Speaker 4: Cowboys could lead the NFL in pass attempts. Like that's
Speaker 4: Jayden Blues game. He had forty two catches last year,
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy six touches, scored fourteen touchdowns on
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy six touches, hyper efficient, good in
Speaker 4: the passing game runs four three, eight at five nine,
Speaker 4: two hundred. Really sexy situation for Jayden Blue.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: One of the more surprising things I saw on the
Speaker 5: ADP that was Davante was where Javonte Williams is going,
Speaker 5: and that he was going ahead of Miles Sanders. For
Speaker 5: what it's worth, I wouldn't want either, but Miles Sanders
Speaker 5: is going to be the starter there. It sounds like
Speaker 5: by all accounts in that Javonte doesn't look great, but
Speaker 5: I'm with you, Jayden Blue would be more exciting. Brashard
Speaker 5: Smith for like a really deep league or very end
Speaker 5: of the draft would not surprise me at all if
Speaker 5: he is the Kansas City Chiefs, like primary receiving back
Speaker 5: this year, has a lot of juice, like Pacheco showed
Speaker 5: as a seventh rounder, like you could matter pretty quickly
Speaker 5: in that offense. So he's kind of fun to me.
Speaker 5: And then just looking at some of the team situations like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was surprised too that Etn is still going that
Speaker 5: high because your boy, I remember you love Tank Pigsby.
Speaker 5: A couple of years ago, you were right on Silva.
Speaker 5: It's still gonna, I think, be the RB one there,
Speaker 5: and I wouldn't worry about b Shelton. I probably would
Speaker 5: avoid the whole thing, but if you're taking one, I
Speaker 5: would take take Bigsby.
Speaker 2: Two more super quick names, Greg mid Round. I love
Speaker 2: Jordan Mason. Actually it's only been super efficient. They basically
Speaker 2: annointed him as the goal line back. I think they're
Speaker 2: gonna not pass nearly as much as they have, or
Speaker 2: if people are expecting right. I've just not really liked
Speaker 2: the JJ McCarthy smoke signals, although they could be.
Speaker 5: I mean, I love me some Jordan Mason last year
Speaker 5: I actually did draft him along with CMC.
Speaker 1: Saved my season.
Speaker 2: So Jordan Mason and then late I do like Woody
Speaker 2: Marx in the later rounds, even though he could just
Speaker 2: be like a committee like pass catcher guy. Just the
Speaker 2: mixing signs are not great. I mean, Nick Chubb, they're
Speaker 2: already coming out like listen, he's not the same, but
Speaker 2: he's real tough and like you know, that's not great
Speaker 2: the tone with Nick Chubb and pretty bullish for Woody Mark.
Speaker 4: Woody Marks had two hundred and sixty one catches in
Speaker 4: his college career. Wow.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 5: Okay, So yeah, Texan's running back and I don't know
Speaker 5: what's going on there because yeah, I've heard the same
Speaker 5: things of Chubb not looking great. I think mixing it's
Speaker 5: extremely concerning that he might never like to me, he's
Speaker 5: on and do not draftless like period, just because he
Speaker 5: might not be the same guy or be able to
Speaker 5: stay healthy.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going to do.
Speaker 5: They might be someone that looks aroun round at the
Speaker 5: trade deadline or even after a trade dead Yeah. Right,
Speaker 5: let's let's look at the wide receiver. So, yeah, I
Speaker 5: gave away my strategy earlier. Is you know, I I
Speaker 5: feel like if you have, if you took three receivers
Speaker 5: in your first four rounds, still, I don't know. I
Speaker 5: feel better about that. I feel good about that. Like
Speaker 5: the top ten receivers, they're just so there's so money
Speaker 5: in general, however you want to shake him up, Like
Speaker 5: right now, Chase is going first overall in some leagues,
Speaker 5: and that's fine. I don't see a particularly crazy difference
Speaker 5: between him and Lamb and Jefferson and Pooka really So however,
Speaker 5: whatever order, I'm not going to have like a super
Speaker 5: hot take. But when you're getting to like a Nico
Speaker 5: Collins and Brian Thomas Junior and A J. Brown are
Speaker 5: are towards the bottom of the top ten, it's like, man,
Speaker 5: I am going to be happy coming away with AJ
Speaker 5: Brown specifically, Like I think he is going to have
Speaker 5: an outstate and in season and this is a relative
Speaker 5: by low for him, and I'm just gonna feel better
Speaker 5: taking these guys pretty much through the first three or
Speaker 5: four rounds than I am taking those rounds two, three,
Speaker 5: four running backs.
Speaker 1: But that's me.
Speaker 5: Have you have you kind of changed on that viewpoint,
Speaker 5: Silva and like, where are you looking towards the top
Speaker 5: of the draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean at one overall and at two overall,
Speaker 4: I tend to lean running back.
Speaker 1: I still would take those three running backs over any receiver.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, but I you know, a lot of people
Speaker 4: take Jamar Chase one overall, as you mentioned, and I
Speaker 4: understand it. I think that Cedee Lamb could outscore Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4: You know, the last time that Dak Prescott was healthy
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, ced Lamb was the number one
Speaker 4: overall receiver in fantasy. And again going back to that
Speaker 4: expectation that the Cowboys are going to throw the crap
Speaker 4: out of the ball, that would be good for CD Lamb.
Speaker 4: I'm with you on Brian Thomas. He's my highest drafted
Speaker 4: first round player in the back end of the first round.
Speaker 4: I think that by the end of the year we
Speaker 4: could be talking about him as the best receiver in football.
Speaker 4: Last year, he was number six in yards per route run.
Speaker 4: Kind of the best advanced metric just if you just
Speaker 4: want one advanced metric for wide receivers is yards per
Speaker 4: route run. As a rookie at age twenty two, Brian
Speaker 4: Thomas was sixth in the NFL in yards per route run,
Speaker 4: catching passes for half the season from Mac Jones in
Speaker 4: a Doug Peterson offense where you know, Doug Peterson is
Speaker 4: out of the league because the league kind of passed
Speaker 4: him by, And now he's got Liam Cohen who under
Speaker 4: Liam Cohen. Last year, Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, both
Speaker 4: that advanced ages, had their best yards per route run
Speaker 4: season of their entire careers. So I think that Liam
Speaker 4: Cohen is a really really big deal for him. I
Speaker 4: think a Trevor Lawrence could have the best season of
Speaker 4: his career. I expect him to have the best year
Speaker 4: of his career, and he's going to carry Brian Thomas
Speaker 4: along with him. Actually, Brian Thomas might be carrying Trevor
Speaker 4: Lawrence along with him.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: I mean, if Doug Peterson is a fan of the
Speaker 5: show Silva and he's watching this and he just hurt hears,
Speaker 5: like a classic withering Silva takedown that the league has
Speaker 5: passed them by, Like, how do you think that's going
Speaker 5: to make him feel?
Speaker 2: Doug was a crazy case where that he was super
Speaker 2: ahead of the curve on like two things, and then
Speaker 2: the rest of the league really caught up really fast,
Speaker 2: and Doug was like, I don't have a third idea.
Speaker 5: Actually it's a great like you're making a joke on
Speaker 5: some level, but it's an outstanding football point over who
Speaker 5: becomes legendary, especially as coaches and who doesn't Like a
Speaker 5: lot of coaches have one or two moves. And then
Speaker 5: Brandon Staley's like, no, well, this is the defense I coach,
Speaker 5: and everyone's like yeah, but everyone's adapted to that, like
Speaker 5: what's your next move?
Speaker 1: You have to keep changing, and.
Speaker 5: Like McVeigh, his old boss is a great example of that,
Speaker 5: Like he is always evolving, always adapting.
Speaker 1: You got to have multiple ideas.
Speaker 5: Speaking of which you mentioned yards per route run, Silva,
Speaker 5: I mean put Gonna CooA last year of ranks among
Speaker 5: the greatest receivers of all time. I for his first
Speaker 5: two seasons he is like maybe the greatest receiver of
Speaker 5: all time yards per route run.
Speaker 1: So I'm not.
Speaker 5: That worried about DeVante getting there impact to him, So
Speaker 5: he like he's another option. Like pretty much in the
Speaker 5: middle of the first round, who you taking Pat in
Speaker 5: general anywhere, go anywhere you want in the in the
Speaker 5: first like thirty forty picks that are on a lot
Speaker 5: of PAT teams.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say, my in general take on wide receiver,
Speaker 2: by the way, is that you're absolutely right about like
Speaker 2: the top ten or I would say even twelve wide
Speaker 2: receivers were a really deep wide receiver one crop. Then
Speaker 2: beyond that, though, I feel like this is a year
Speaker 2: I've never had a year where I didn't like where
Speaker 2: every ADP.
Speaker 3: Looks bad to me.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, I'm like, oh, T Higgins, we're doing T
Speaker 2: Higgins wide receiver thirteen again. Huh.
Speaker 1: Okay, that that I agree with that, I agree with
Speaker 1: all right, let's go through them.
Speaker 3: We're doing that yet again. Huh. Like Wow, Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 3: we're doing that yet again.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: I'm with that. Where he is at the forty spot,
Speaker 1: I'm good with that.
Speaker 2: That's Marvin Harrison, who's innovation was to get slower and
Speaker 2: bigger after his disappointing rookie year.
Speaker 5: He wasn't that that bad, and uh, it's all about value.
Speaker 5: Now he's going like three rounds later, two rounds later.
Speaker 5: I'm good with that one, all right, getting more so.
Speaker 2: Many like JSN, who I actually like, I didn't like,
Speaker 2: starting to like he's the wide receiver seventeen, which I
Speaker 2: really like Jayson. Every sign though out of Seahawks camp
Speaker 2: is like, we're never passing the ball again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I bet he's the best guy on the
Speaker 5: team by far, so I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: They let him play like a true inside out game.
Speaker 2: I'd be excited about Jayson again. But like Terry mclaurin's
Speaker 2: the wide receiver eighteen or she Rice the wide receiver nineteen,
Speaker 2: Mike Evans undead zombie wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Twenty, I don't mind that one.
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy, who I like like it's a lot of
Speaker 2: projection to be the wide receiver twenty one, Tedoroa McMillan
Speaker 2: sight unseen wide receiver twenty two with your guy.
Speaker 5: Don't like, don't like that one, don't like that one,
Speaker 5: I like any any wide receiver ADP.
Speaker 3: Someone mentions to me, I'm like, oh, I don't I
Speaker 3: don't like him there, And it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm not loving the feel, the overall feel, and I
Speaker 2: hate the word vibe, but the vibe the receiver This year.
Speaker 5: I feel better about most of those guys. I think
Speaker 5: Worthy has a sneaky high ceiling. I guess I'm looking
Speaker 5: fantasy pros Ashim, you know, wide receiver twenty five for
Speaker 5: what it's worth in the fifties somewhere. I mean, he
Speaker 5: doesn't have a lot To me, he doesn't have a
Speaker 5: lot of heat, considering he you know, was their best
Speaker 5: receiver by far down the stretch and like it's racking up.
Speaker 5: I count those catches in the super Bowl. He had
Speaker 5: seventy five yards before that fourth quarter in the Super
Speaker 5: Bowl too. He was he was the man there. Like
Speaker 5: Garrett Wilson's going fairly late, DeVante Adams is going fairly late.
Speaker 5: And I think I'm buying DeVante Adams and then outside
Speaker 5: the top ten. And I'm curious, curious what you think
Speaker 5: about these two guys, Silva, Like, to me, Lad McConkie
Speaker 5: and Tyreek Hill have wide receiver one or two upside,
Speaker 5: like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that crazy.
Speaker 5: And that's that's where I'm talking about, Like, man receiver
Speaker 5: seems pretty deep if they're going as like eleven and twelve,
Speaker 5: like both of those guys to me could have monster seasons.
Speaker 4: Back to yards per route run. Lad McConkie. As a rookie,
Speaker 4: finished fourth in the NFL in yards per route run,
Speaker 4: and over a seventeen game span including playoffs, he had
Speaker 4: ninety one catches for one thousand and thirty one thousand
Speaker 4: and three hundred and forty six yards and eight touchdowns.
Speaker 4: And I think that the arrow is still pointing up
Speaker 4: on him. Tyreek Hill scares me, and he's one of
Speaker 4: the you know, the biggest like conundrums of the fantasy
Speaker 4: football season. If you read Matt Harmon's recent reception perception
Speaker 4: breakdown of Tyreek Hill, I mean it would put the
Speaker 4: fear of God in you. I mean Matt Harmon is, like,
Speaker 4: this is clearly a player in decline. He's got issues
Speaker 4: with Tua. I mean Tua even like addressed that again
Speaker 4: recently at the start of training camp that like we
Speaker 4: have to repair our relationship. I mean, Tyreek Hill is
Speaker 4: thirty one years old. You know, everything still looks pretty
Speaker 4: good on paper. I mean this is super condensed offense.
Speaker 4: They're going to throw the ball and Tyreek Hill what
Speaker 4: he ran like a super fast one hundred yard dash
Speaker 4: or one hundred meters dash or whatever recently, he still
Speaker 4: has straight line speed. I say, you know, he definitely
Speaker 4: still has straight line speed. I mean, Darryl Green was
Speaker 4: Guys that are fast keep their speed. DeShawn Jackson was
Speaker 4: still fast for forever. Daryl Green was winning the fastest
Speaker 4: man contests at the Pro Bowl, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: can we bring that back please? At like age forty
Speaker 4: three years old. Guys that are fast stay fast. Like
Speaker 4: I know that Tyreek Kill can still run fast in
Speaker 4: a straight line. It's all the other stuff. He was
Speaker 4: not winning against coverage. He was not winning his routes
Speaker 4: nearly as often last years as he has historically.
Speaker 5: He admitted and has said it many times this offseason
Speaker 5: that he wasn't trying his hardest last year, that he
Speaker 5: came in out of shape.
Speaker 1: It was all this stuff.
Speaker 5: And usually I really don't buy into too many offseason narratives.
Speaker 5: But this is a guy who's had four or five
Speaker 5: first team All Pros, that's gonna be in the Hall
Speaker 5: of Fame one day.
Speaker 1: That he look he's always played at a high level.
Speaker 5: But he knows his chance for one last big contract
Speaker 5: is this year. It's a contract year for him. It's
Speaker 5: very likely his last one in Miami. He wants to
Speaker 5: get back to Kansas City. I just think there's gonna
Speaker 5: be yards there with Tua. To me, I am buying
Speaker 5: the narrative that it's just you're gonna get the best
Speaker 5: out of Tyreek Hill, and last year was a little
Speaker 5: bit more of like an effort and conditioning thing, and
Speaker 5: that makes sense. If you're watching on YouTube, we thank you,
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Speaker 5: helps us out. But if you are watching on YouTube,
Speaker 5: you'll notice that Rodo Pat just ducked out like the
Speaker 5: heat was too much for him. Frankly, like me, getting
Speaker 5: back in the fantasy arena was making him feel a
Speaker 5: little less then. I think also with his old boss Silva,
Speaker 5: because in theory, I was his boss. But pretty quickly
Speaker 5: by the time Pat was there, I was I was
Speaker 5: doing PFT.
Speaker 4: And I thought that I hired him.
Speaker 1: Maybe you did.
Speaker 5: I'm probably just I was still I was still there,
Speaker 5: I was still at NBC. I was like in an
Speaker 5: overseer role. But you're absolutely right, Silva was the.
Speaker 1: One who hired him. Got it done and what a job.
Speaker 5: But no, Pat's Pat's internet apparently went out, So we're
Speaker 5: gonna we're gonna finish this thing off.
Speaker 1: We're right at the end.
Speaker 5: Anyways, I'm going to give you a list of guys
Speaker 5: I think are too high, Silva, and you let me
Speaker 5: know and then tell me some guys you think are
Speaker 5: too t Higgins I agree with I agree with pat
Speaker 5: On that one or she Rice just I just would
Speaker 5: rather get worthy and not deal with the suspension. T
Speaker 5: mac Tetsuo McMillan. It just that it's there's a lot
Speaker 5: of ifs there. Cooper Cup not buying it, feel like
Speaker 5: a wasted pick. Chris godwindin this year kind of feels
Speaker 5: like a wasted pick. Just don't want to don't want
Speaker 5: to deal with it. Stefan Diggs, Jack Besh. Those are
Speaker 5: a couple other guys that feel like wasted picks for me,
Speaker 5: and then some of the later guys like Davante. I'm
Speaker 5: buying a little bit of a Davante rebound. I'm interested
Speaker 5: in Travis Hunner at the price that he's going at.
Speaker 5: And then maybe the guy I would draft the most
Speaker 5: at this very moment in the entire NFL Silva is
Speaker 5: rashid Jihead because because to me, I think he has
Speaker 5: like pretty clear top twenty top twenty five fantasy receiver upside,
Speaker 5: maybe even floor if he's healthy in a bigger role
Speaker 5: coming to him. And so I'm taking Rashid Jaheat who's
Speaker 5: going like wide receiver fifty or something.
Speaker 1: Totally. You can say.
Speaker 4: Dogs T Higgins so hard. I mean, roto Pat even
Speaker 4: said T Higgins ADP wide receiver thirteen. What are we doing?
Speaker 1: He said, we're doing this again where I have.
Speaker 4: T Higgins ranked at wide receiver thirteen.
Speaker 3: Well, as you may have noticed, I did that and
Speaker 3: then I just disappeared.
Speaker 4: When T Higgins and Jamar Chase were on the field
Speaker 4: together last year, T Higgins had more targets than Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2: Well, Evan, the problem is what you hit the phrase
Speaker 2: they're on the field together, which they just never are
Speaker 2: because he's always hurt, I mean, no matter what. And
Speaker 2: now he got paid, he's I feel like he's a classic.
Speaker 4: Times sample of them being on the field together and
Speaker 4: T Higgins had one hundred and seven targets and Jamar
Speaker 4: Chase had one hundred and six. A guy that I
Speaker 4: love this year, and I'm getting a lot of pushback
Speaker 4: from the nerds that we employ at Established the Run.
Speaker 4: They hate this guy. Because they can't fit anything into
Speaker 4: their spreadsheets. And if they can't fit it into their spreadsheets,
Speaker 4: then they can't do it.
Speaker 1: They don't know ball. Frankly, they just don't know ball.
Speaker 4: You know, you know who's good at ball is Ricky Pearsall. Ricky.
Speaker 4: And also the floodgates are kind of opening form the
Speaker 4: Caesar parting for Ricky Pearsall. We've got Juwan Jenny dealing
Speaker 4: with injuries and a contract dispute, Deebo Samuel is gone,
Speaker 4: and Brandon Ayuk, I mean, I don't know when he's
Speaker 4: coming back. And Ricky Pearsall was a first round pick
Speaker 4: in the draft. I think they drafted him to eventually
Speaker 4: replace Deebo Samuel, Which that's a really fun fantasy role.
Speaker 4: If he can even be eighty percent of what Deebo
Speaker 4: Samuel was, Ricky Pearsall is going to crush. And again,
Speaker 4: if you read Matt Harmon's reception perception on Ricky Pearsall
Speaker 4: over the last month of the season, this guy got
Speaker 4: shot last year. Okay, he literally got shot and missed
Speaker 4: like everything, he finally gets it together, gets it together,
Speaker 4: gets healthy, and he crushed against man coverage down the stretch.
Speaker 4: So if you can give me eighty percent of Deebo
Speaker 4: Samuel and a guy who wins against man coverage, with
Speaker 4: all this opportunity in a Kyle Shanahan offense, with Brock
Speaker 4: Purty coming off maybe the most underrated quarterback season in
Speaker 4: the NFL, I think Ricky Pearsall can be an absolute
Speaker 4: smash as like a seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: You convinced me I'm in all right, pat are you?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you doing okay? Yeah?
Speaker 5: By the way, Piersall is going like in the wide
Speaker 5: receiver forty forty five territory behind Juwan Jenning, who I
Speaker 5: already has a calf injury again has the contract situation.
Speaker 5: He's going behind some of the guys that I said
Speaker 5: I have zero interest in, like Cup and Digs, and
Speaker 5: I would take I would maybe take pearsw like in
Speaker 5: terms of his ceiling, or even over a guy like
Speaker 5: like Roma Dunze. That's a good shoutout because I think
Speaker 5: what Pearsall already showed and he's done at practice too.
Speaker 5: From everything that I've heard, it is like he is
Speaker 5: an NFL player. It is a question whether he's gonna
Speaker 5: be like a solid two three or two or can
Speaker 5: he be like a wide receiver one, but that'll be
Speaker 5: great value for him, and the opportunity is is just
Speaker 5: absolutely insane. You couldn't take the heat pat conversation and
Speaker 5: you had to duck out. So I leave you with
Speaker 5: the final word. Any wide receiver hot takes before we
Speaker 5: get out of there, whether it's like a middle later
Speaker 5: round guys that you love that you don't love before
Speaker 5: you leave in shame, it's.
Speaker 3: A mid round guy.
Speaker 2: I can't say I either love or hate him, but
Speaker 2: he's kind of the wide receiver version of DeAndre Swift,
Speaker 2: where he's become an annual disappointment to fantasy managers. Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 2: I just don't think people are prepared for how much
Speaker 2: more the Titans are going to pass than they did
Speaker 2: last year. And it might be a erradic and scattershot,
Speaker 2: Like how much higher quality the passing is going to be,
Speaker 2: even if there are a lot of turnovers mixed in
Speaker 2: from cam Ward. It just seems like Calvin Ridley could
Speaker 2: be like this time it counts guy. This year, he's
Speaker 2: burned us so many different times, but he's the lead
Speaker 2: receiver for an offense that could be so much better.
Speaker 3: And I really like.
Speaker 2: The two Bills guys Khalil Shakir, who was like a
Speaker 2: top thirty six guy last year. I mean, maybe he
Speaker 2: won't get a whole lot better, but I feel like
Speaker 2: he could still get better. They're talking about him getting better.
Speaker 2: They need him desperately. And also Keon Coleman was kind
Speaker 2: of getting hot before he got hurt last year. He'd
Speaker 2: stacked together two or three decent games, then he got injured.
Speaker 2: He came back and didn't do anything down the stretch.
Speaker 2: But he's someone they need really, really bad. He basically
Speaker 2: does not have an ADP. He's got a very late
Speaker 2: round ADP. He is being drafted, but he's like a
Speaker 2: wide receiver fifty five. He's actually going right around your guy,
Speaker 2: Rashid Shaheed, who I do also really like this year.
Speaker 2: But I feel like looking to the Bills is a
Speaker 2: good place. Maybe looking at the Titans in Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 2: No one's gonna want to draft Titans. No one ever
Speaker 2: wants to draft Calvin rid leacause all he's ever done
Speaker 2: is lose them fantasy leagues. But those are two good plays.
Speaker 2: Do we like Trey Harris for the Chargers or are
Speaker 2: they going to retreat any I.
Speaker 1: Mean, we'll see how camp goes.
Speaker 5: But like a guy coming from an offense that like
Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily translate or not. Everything is so unpredictable with
Speaker 5: these rookies like Dante Thornton kind of clearly see better
Speaker 5: than Jack Besh and Las Vegas. And I haven't heard
Speaker 5: a lot about Trey Harris. It hasn't been like overly
Speaker 5: positive there. So yeah, I think you got to see
Speaker 5: how August just the ceiling doesn't seem happy. I mean
Speaker 5: that high to me, Shakier, I'm totally with you on
Speaker 5: Shakir that that's a good shout out.
Speaker 1: I do like a little.
Speaker 5: I do like the Jordan Addison Jalen Waddle values for
Speaker 5: where they are as like two enormous, Like they're just
Speaker 5: like better football players. For instance, in Calvin Ridley, the
Speaker 5: opportunities obviously better than.
Speaker 3: For Cow's not good. Col's not good. He doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: He's not bad though at a wide receiver thirty one
Speaker 5: there are He's solid enough.
Speaker 1: But I like Addison and Waddle to get more yards.
Speaker 5: We did it. We'll we'll talk tight end some other time.
Speaker 5: This was just the intro to fantasy for the season.
Speaker 5: It's we're not gonna uh totally say goodbye to to
Speaker 5: fantasy because we got we got about a month left
Speaker 5: of drafts.
Speaker 1: It is Silva season. It's Rodo Pat season.
Speaker 5: Uh everyone check out Silva at establish the run. Him
Speaker 5: and my old coworker as well, Adam Levitan, the Wizard
Speaker 5: of Oz over there had established the run.
Speaker 1: He's the man.
Speaker 5: And of course Roto Pat still holding it down at
Speaker 5: roadal World, Love you guys, appreciate you guys both coming
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