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Speaker 3: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. The dog days this

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Speaker 3: summer are almost over. We have suffered through months of

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to get to football, and

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Speaker 3: by god, it's finally here.

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Speaker 2: The Chargers have gone into camp.

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Speaker 3: That means we finally get to the spot where we

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Speaker 3: can speculate about everything for every second of every day.

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Speaker 3: And for some reason, it feels better to speculate about

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Speaker 3: this that we all love that it does have the

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Speaker 3: It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. It's actually

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Speaker 3: a Bucket Fits takeover on Fox Sports Radio. Having some

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Speaker 3: technical difficulties out of the gate with buck He's here,

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Speaker 2: We cannot prove, we cannot confirm nor.

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Speaker 3: Deny whether or not that's just because he had a

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Speaker 3: big night on Lower Broadway. But for the next three

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Speaker 3: hours we will be taking over Fox Sports Radio. And y'all,

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be honest with you, Like, things are

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Speaker 3: so slow in this industry right now, in this business

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Speaker 3: is doing what we do. Things are so quiet that

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Speaker 3: the Spies exist, And like everybody knows, I.

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Speaker 2: Worked at ESPN for years. Love that place. They changed

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Speaker 2: my life. It's absolutely spectacular.

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Speaker 3: But the funniest part about the spi'st is they exist

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Speaker 3: because ESPN looked around and said, you know what, there's

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Speaker 3: nothing else to talk about, so let's create an award show.

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Speaker 2: So at least we have.

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Speaker 3: Something we can put on air, and we can put

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Speaker 3: on our shows. That's the real catalyst for why the

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Speaker 2: It is that quiet right now, and then you look

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Speaker 2: around and you say, well, minute, what's going to change it?

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Speaker 3: All the Chargers going to camp now think about the

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Speaker 3: era we all grow up. If you're a middle aged person,

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Speaker 3: listening to this show at all will allow middle aged

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Speaker 3: to be defined.

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Speaker 2: However, we so choose, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: But if you're a middle aged person listening to this

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Speaker 3: to be like. Like there was a period to be

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Speaker 3: USA Today. Like you literally had to every Friday. I

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Speaker 2: And every Monday I would go running back to that.

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Speaker 2: That's how hard it was pre you know.

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Speaker 2: Through the college football sleep.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're going to be saying. And when that happens,

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Speaker 3: We are genuinely at a spot where you know this,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we're at a spot where we're ma making

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Speaker 2: Sorry, baseball guys, Like, I'm sorry. Like the crazy part

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Speaker 3: The majority of the sports talk radio audience would rather

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Speaker 3: So we are now at the spot where we get

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Speaker 2: But there's one thing that I think that we've just

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Speaker 2: The Lions are in a year of transition.

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Speaker 3: Think about Detroit right now, and let's be consistent with

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the Lions have gone from being living in

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Speaker 3: Sea of suck, right, the Lions have gone from living

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Speaker 3: You gotta peel away what we think is going to happen,

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Speaker 2: No fall off. Remember a few years ago in Philly.

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Speaker 3: When you start talking about change and you start talking

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Speaker 3: And I don't know how we can just assume that

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Speaker 3: to look at a Detroit team It was great last year?

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Speaker 3: He's such a good coach that he was the most

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Speaker 3: He's gone now, so you just replace him, and there's

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Speaker 3: That means you can't just get the higher right. You

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Speaker 2: The Lions just supposed to be them.

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Speaker 2: So you're not talking about, hey, we'll easily do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a totally different job.

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Speaker 3: Being an offensive coordinator is a totally different job than

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Speaker 2: Gonna have all of the lines, gonna be better.

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Speaker 3: And that means that Caleb's not gonna have to run

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Speaker 3: Just possibly Caleb Williams keeps running backwards. I think Caleb

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Speaker 3: Like at some point, we have just anointed the North

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we.

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Speaker 3: Could say that. I want the Lions to be great.

445
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 3: I want the Vikings to be great. It's an interesting story,

446
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 3: and frankly, there's a reason why Detroit was the team

447
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 3: that went to the league this year in the offseason

448
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 3: and tried to petition to get seating changed. They wanted

449
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 3: to make sure that if they were the wildcard team

450
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 3: that won fourteen games that they would be just fine.

451
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 2: I don't blame them for that. And that speaks to

452
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 2: how good the North could be It or drop off?

453
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: And what's a drop off look like? Too?

454
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 3: Like if the Lions win ten games this year, is

455
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 3: that going to be considered successful?

456
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

457
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 3: They're living in a different era now, right, Like if

458
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 3: the Vikings turn around.

459
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 2: And win ten games after winning fourteen last year? Is

460
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: that going to be considered successful?

461
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 3: I would I would consider essentially a rookie quarterback that

462
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 3: hasn't played any meaningful football and well over a year,

463
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 3: coming off of the injuries that he's had, leading a

464
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 3: team to ten wins in a playoff Perth, I would

465
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: consider that to be successful. With Vikings fans, with the

466
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 3: general media overall, that's a lot of pressure, like they

467
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 3: are in a pressure cooker. I don't know what success.

468
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 2: Actually has to be. And that's the funny part of it.

469
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 3: Like for most teams, I mean, my god, the Bears

470
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 3: had the number one pick, earned the number one.

471
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 2: Pick two consecutive years.

472
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 3: They traded out of it, but they earned the number

473
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: one pick two consecutive years. This franchise, the Bears franchise

474
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 3: has been trash for a minute. And if they turn

475
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 3: around and win six or seven games, Caleb looks pretty good.

476
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 3: I would consider that success. Hey, we're building something. I

477
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 3: would consider that to be something. Hey, this is moving

478
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 3: in the right direction. But man, when you've been the

479
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 3: darling two years in a row, Because remember after Caleb

480
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: was drafted, a lot of people, a lot of people

481
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: were jumping on I did jumping on the Bears to

482
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: the playoff train. A bunch of us did it made sense?

483
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: We were wrong, right, So at some point you got

484
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 3: to look at this and say, what does success even

485
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: look like? I don't know what the answer to that is.

486
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: And that's where it gets really tricky.

487
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: For the North. Everybody loves the North.

488
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: I'm just not sure I'm fully in on it if

489
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: you're just tuning in, by the way, but it's fucking fits.

490
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 3: I'm Jason Fitz flying solo right now having some technical

491
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 3: difficulties with Buck.

492
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: He'll be with us.

493
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna get Buck's just gonna take a second. We're

494
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: in on two pros and a cup of Joe on

495
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio, hanging out with you. I'll be here

496
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: for the next couple of Like if you're an early riser,

497
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 3: you got me today, you got me tomorrow, you got me.

498
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: Saturday is always on the fellows. So I'll be hanging

499
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 3: out with you for the next several days so we

500
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: can we can do our early mornings together. Buck's got

501
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: some hot takes on quarterbacks. We'll get to all of

502
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 3: that whenever we get book. In the meantime, looking at

503
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 3: the camp storylines coming in and teams that we think

504
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: maybe maybe everybody's sort of jumped too far on maybe

505
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: we're not looking at the entire picture on looking at

506
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 3: some of the teams that last year were great, that

507
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: maybe this year might not be in that situation. And

508
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: it's just it's funny because the North is the easy

509
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: division to pick on.

510
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: Like we've we've gotten comfortable.

511
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 3: With the fact that the NFC South and the AFC

512
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: South are just hot garbage right like until until proven otherwise,

513
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: those two divisions are just like I said earlier, we

514
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 3: need to remember what it feels like right now when

515
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: we don't have football and we're watching a terrible Thursday

516
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 3: night game, Like right now, every single person that likes football,

517
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: you would flock to your TV to watch the Titans

518
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 3: play the Jags. You would you would turn around at

519
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 3: any point now by week fifteen when you're stuck with

520
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: the Titans versus the Jags or whatever week they inevitably

521
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 3: put them on Thursday night football, I don't have it

522
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 3: in front of me. Whatever week that inevitably happens, will

523
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: be flocking to it, there is no doubt about it.

524
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: But man, I just there are certain divisions that I'm

525
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 3: not sure are going to be great, and it leads to.

526
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: This whole.

527
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: Reminder of how bad some of the NFL was last year.

528
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 3: This is the other thing that I think we got

529
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: to remember coming into this season, Like right now, I'm

530
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 3: not sure we remember. It's like the end of a relationship,

531
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: Like when you first break up with somebody, it's the

532
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: end of your relationship.

533
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: You have such a clear picture.

534
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: And I say this every year, like this is the

535
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: offseason in the NFL, right the day the season ends,

536
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 3: you have such a clear picture of how bad your

537
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: team is, just like the day you break up with

538
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: but you have such a clear picture of.

539
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: How bad your relationship is.

540
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: Right like you're you're good, you understand that it sucked,

541
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: you don't want anything to do with it. And then

542
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: a few months later you're like, oh, man, you know,

543
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 3: I wasn't that bad, Like I do miss you know,

544
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: I do miss the way we used to go places

545
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 3: and hang out like That's a couple months later, well

546
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: that's that's when your favorite team gets to free agency.

547
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I wasn't that bad.

548
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: And then you know a few months after that, you're like, no,

549
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: I do I do miss hanging out with all of

550
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 3: our friends and like, that's that's the draft, and before

551
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: you know it, you know you've talked to yourself. By

552
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 3: the time you get to OTAs, now you're six months removed,

553
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: and all your remember at.

554
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: The good times, like, oh man, the good times. We're

555
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: so good.

556
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 3: I gotta get her back. I gotta like, we got

557
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: to get back together. We're gonna make this the whole

558
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: thing work. You've convinced yourself that you're not crazy and

559
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: she's not crazy, and you end up getting back together,

560
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: and then like two weeks into getting back together, you're

561
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: arguing again.

562
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: You remember how crazy she was.

563
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: That is the exact cycle of January to September for

564
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: all of us, for our favorite football team. You had

565
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: a really clear your picture in January of exactly what

566
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: your team is, and then you convinced yourself through free

567
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: agency that maybe a little bit was different, and you

568
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: convinced yourself in the draft that even more of it

569
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: was different. And then you got to OTAs and you're like,

570
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: I don't know, reports out of OTAs are good, and

571
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: this is what you're gonna do. Man, If your offense

572
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: is absolutely lights out, if all of your training camp

573
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: reports are gonna be that the offense is lights out.

574
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: You're never gonna stop to think, well, maybe that means

575
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: the defense sucks. No, no, no, no, You're gonna sit

576
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: back and say that, look at this man.

577
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: Nobody can stop these wide receivers I've never heard of.

578
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: We are gonna be great. You get back together, you're excited.

579
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: Week two, Week three, you realize your team sucks again,

580
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you're back in a destructive

581
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: relationship like that.

582
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: That's what we do all the time.

583
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: We do that, And I think what we have to

584
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: remember is that last year there was more bad than good.

585
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: Like when you start.

586
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: Looking back at last year's standings, I will remind everybody

587
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: that there was a staggering number, a staggering number of

588
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: truly terrible, terrible football teams. I mean, think about just

589
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: the battle to try and get to the first overall pick,

590
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: and that was real. And it wasn't because teams were tanking.

591
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: This isn't the NBA. Everybody's not sitting everybody. This was

592
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: because genuinely, there were that many bad teams. I think

593
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: it was ten eleven teams last year that lost double

594
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: digit games.

595
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: Like I've pulled it up here. Look in the AFC alone, the.

596
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: Jets, the Patriots, the Raiders, the Browns, the Jags, and

597
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 3: the Titans. Those teams all lost twelve or more games.

598
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: Twelve or more.

599
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 3: You got a bunch of teams there that lost thirteen games.

600
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: That's wild to me.

601
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: There was so much bad football last year, and it's

602
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: easy to look at it and say, well, that's an outlier.

603
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: Like the forty nine Ers went six and eleven last year.

604
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: Most people think the forty nine ers is gonna have

605
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: a big jump, a big bounce back season. I'm not

606
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: sure I'm buying that, but most people think that they're

607
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: gonna have a big bounce back season.

608
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have a mediocre bounce back season.

609
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: But you start looking at some of these teams, like

610
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: if you had to bet your house today, you just

611
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: like you had to bet your house on a bunch

612
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: of on the Raiders suddenly turning around and having a

613
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: winning record, I'm talking going from thirteen losses to a

614
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: winning record. Are you really willing to bet on Justin

615
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: Fields and the Jets suddenly getting to a winning record,

616
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: The Raiders getting to a winning record, the Browns with

617
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: that quarterback situation getting to the winning record, the Jags,

618
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: the Titans, heck even the Patriots, who are somehow favored

619
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: in whatever eleven games by Vegas. Would you really bet

620
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: your house on these teams suddenly being really good and

621
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: then the flip side, none of them taking a big

622
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: step back? Like, do we really think the Giants are

623
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: gonna suddenly put themselves in a situation where they're.

624
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: A great football team. I think we know the answer

625
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: to that.

626
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: So there is this real chance, this real chance that

627
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: there's just a bunch of awful football this fall. And

628
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: that's the funny part of it to me, Like, right

629
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: now in this season a hole, my god, everybody's going

630
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: to turn around and win it all. You can't tell

631
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: a Giants fan anything because they believe Jackson Dart's going

632
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: to be the answer.

633
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: Right, But what's more likely?

634
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: Is it more likely the Jackson Dart, in limited time

635
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: in training camp, is willing to and with limited preseason games. Now,

636
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: remember this isn't we got four preseason games and we

637
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: can watch them blow up. So you got limited preseason games,

638
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: limited snaps because there are three quarterbacks in camp. I

639
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: believe Jackson Dart should start Day one, but what do

640
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: you think is more likely Jackson Dart starts day one,

641
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: absolutely takes the league over, has a Jaden Daniels like season.

642
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: Brian Dable absolutely becomes a Coach of the Year type candidate,

643
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: because that's what would happen from a three to fourteen

644
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: team that I absolutely turns it around to New York,

645
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: there's no.

646
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: Doubt about it.

647
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 3: You think that's more likely and the Giants win eight games?

648
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: Or is it more likely that Jackson Dart gets stuck

649
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: on the bench because they want to try and figure

650
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: out how to develop them slowly, But by the time

651
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: he actually gets on the field, there's nothing left to

652
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: play for half the team has quit. Dable's one foot

653
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: out the door, and we're having a mid season conversation about, frankly,

654
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: whether or not they should simply fire the coach in

655
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: the season or wait till the end of the season.

656
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: And by the end of the year, best case scenario,

657
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart looks like he might be okay, but it's

658
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: going to be a different coaching staff that does it.

659
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: Also known as the Bears two point zero exactly what

660
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: we just watched with Eberflus. What would you bet your

661
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: house if you had to bet your house on one

662
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: of those two outcomes, which one is it?

663
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Speaker 2: I think for most of us it's the outcome where

664
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: the Giants suck. Now that that is real.

665
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: We are so starved for football right now that we

666
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: cannot wait for all of it.

667
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: But what we're forgetting is that a lot of these

668
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: teams are still going to be bad.

669
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: Like, do you believe that the Saints are gonna be

670
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: worth the damn?

671
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: Do you believe the Panthers are gonna be worth it?

672
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: Are you really willing to bet that Michael Pennick Junior,

673
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: who last year threw for about seven hundred and fifty

674
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: yards for the entire year, that that limited scope of

675
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: Michael Pennick Junior is so stinking good that the entire

676
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: organization turns around, that they have this just mammoth year

677
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: for the Falcons. I wouldn't bet on it more often

678
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: than not, like I need more proof of concept. I

679
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: said the same thing after eight games of Jordan Love,

680
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: when everybody wanted to turn around.

681
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: And just eight good games.

682
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: He had half a half a year that was bad,

683
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: and it was like no, no, no, He's gonna be fine.

684
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: And then half a year that was good, and everybody said, oh, yeah,

685
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: pay the man, and now we're like, well, I don't know,

686
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure, Like that's the best case scenario

687
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: for Pedix.

688
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: Like that is that is wild success for Penix.

689
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: There is so much opportunity for bad across the landscape

690
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: of the NFL this year that it's kind of laughable.

691
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: And the best way that we can get a sense

692
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: of that is to apply that universal benefit of the

693
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: doubt or lack thereof across the entire landscape. You you listening,

694
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: you know your favorite team better than ninety nine percent

695
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: of the world.

696
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: And if you truly sat down and made a.

697
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: Best case worst case list for your favorite team and

698
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: then did the same thing across the board for everybody

699
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: else in your favorite team's division, that might give you

700
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: the most realistic picture.

701
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: Of what you're actually looking at. It's not sexy.

702
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: It's not fun, my god, it's not fun as a

703
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: fan of a team that sucks every year to turn

704
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 3: around and be like, yeah, Chief's probably going to win

705
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: the division. Chargers probably gonna be pretty damn good, because

706
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: they were better than.

707
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: I thought they'd be last year.

708
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: And you know bo Nick's side, I didn't see it coming,

709
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: but man Sean Payton did, and so the Bronkers is

710
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: going to be pretty good.

711
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 2: Like, that's that's not fun.

712
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: It's way easier to step back and say, you know what,

713
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: the Chiefs still don't have an offensive line.

714
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: Kelsey's really cooked. He can't do this again.

715
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: It's gonna be fine, Like the Chiefs are gonna take

716
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: that little step back.

717
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: They can't keep getting lucky. That's the other narrative we

718
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 2: love to do.

719
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: The Chargers are always hurt, so their stars aren't gonna

720
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: turn out to be anything. And bo Nix is overrated

721
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: and was a one year wonder that didn't really do

722
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: as much as we think, and they still don't have

723
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: enough weapons. Like it's easy to do all of that.

724
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: It's easy, but it's not accurate. I'll just remind everybody

725
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: that the reason you're going to be miserable in October

726
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: and November isn't just because your favorite team stinks. The

727
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: reason you're gonna be miserable in October and November is

728
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: because you put unrealistic expectations around what your team looked

729
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: like and everybody else in the division. You got back

730
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: with the crazy girl, and now your friends are gonna

731
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: laugh at you for getting back with the crazy girl

732
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: when you're heartbroken.

733
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: Yet again.

734
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: That being said, it's what we do. It's what we

735
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: do every single time. We're gonna try and get Buck

736
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: Rising in. It's Bucking Fits Takeover on Fox Sports Radio.

737
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 3: I'm Jason Fitz hanging out with you. Coming up huge,

738
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: huge news in the WNBA that actually impacts this weekend

739
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: more than you would ever think. I'll tell you about

740
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: it next again, Bucking Fits taking over Two Pros and

741
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 3: a Cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio.

742
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

743
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 4: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

744
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

745
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: WNBA fans are broken hearted. Look at that playing into

746
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: my bon Jovi. It's a Buck and Fits takeover of

747
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Bon Jovi was

748
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: my first concert. I'm just gonna let this go. God,

749
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: I'm telling you sing it. This was the Heyday two.

750
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 3: Because let's be honest, John's not as good without Richie,

751
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: Uh Richie Sambora Like I'm the Richie Samboro of this tandem.

752
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: Buck Rising is definitely the lead singer, but technical difficulties

753
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: still have me able to FaceTime. But like, I can

754
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: see Buck rising, So just so in case anybody thinks

755
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: that Buck is asleep, which you know, frankly would have

756
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: been my assumption had I not been able to FaceTime. Man,

757
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 3: I can see him. We just can't hear him yet,

758
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: so you don't get to hear his sensual vocals. But

759
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 3: we're working on that as we take over. Two pros and.

760
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: A cup of shoe on Fox Sports Radio.

761
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: By the way, at Home Depot, it's about time for

762
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 3: pros to source the whole job with one partner.

763
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: Ask about all we.

764
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 3: Can do for you at the pro desk the Home

765
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: Depot pro, it's about time. Big news in the W

766
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: and I was watching it when it happened. Caitlin Clark injured.

767
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 3: It looked like she reinjured her groin in the last

768
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: game and now is going to miss the game against

769
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: the Liberty. I will say loudly that is of no consequence.

770
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: You don't care about the game against the Liberty. It

771
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: was Shane Gillis. I'll give him credit last night for

772
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 3: a joke last night in the sb's model.

773
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 2: I did not watch the sb's.

774
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: But Shane was all over the place with his monologue

775
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: last night. It was all over social media. Hysterical moment

776
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: when he pointed out a fake WNBA star he named

777
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: the fake w NBA star. The camera went to the

778
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 3: fake WNBA star, and then Shane called out the entire

779
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: audience for not knowing anybody in the WNBA. It was

780
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: a brilliant moment. He was absolutely spectacular from what I

781
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: saw on social media. But I realize that most of

782
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 3: you are not clamoring to watch the indie naf for

783
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: take on the New York Liberty.

784
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: I am that nerd that would watch it.

785
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: But the bigger consequence here is that the injury now

786
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: has Caitlin doubtful. They're not sure what her status will

787
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: be for the All Star Game and All Star festivities.

788
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 3: That that is the catastrophic loss. Like I would argue

789
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: the Caitlin the minute she was hurt, just put her

790
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: in a glass box and shut her down and get

791
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: her ready for the All Star Game. The most important

792
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: thing here is the All Star Game, because that's the

793
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: opportunity to come out. Like between the three point shooting

794
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: contests and the skills competition and the fact that you know,

795
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: I know there was controversy about the voting in the

796
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: All Star I will tell everybody to research a little

797
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: bit how voting is done. But Caitlin was the team captain,

798
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 3: got to pick her team against an the Feesis team,

799
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: and so there's.

800
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: This real opportunity.

801
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: Like I say all the time, championships and All Star

802
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: Games have a very specific purpose.

803
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 2: A Super Bowl is not for the diehards. It just isn't.

804
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: The AFC Championship in the NFC championship games might be

805
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: for diehards, but the super.

806
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: Bowls for cashubles.

807
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 3: The Super Bowls for people that you know, just rarely

808
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: watch football, but they're all going to go to a

809
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: party because it's the Super Bowl. That's what championships are

810
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 3: meant for. The college football Championship game is the opportunity

811
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: for the whole world people that would never otherwise pay

812
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: attention to the sport. You really want to bring those

813
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: people in. All Star games used to be that there

814
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: used to be so much meaning to the opportunity to

815
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: see NBA All Stars take each other on. The All

816
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: Star Game was a big deal. When I was a kid.

817
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: The All Star Game was something that we all flocked

818
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: to watch. But also remember that was an era where

819
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: you didn't get to see Michael and Magic every day.

820
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: I think we forget that sometimes that again, I'll be

821
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: old man on the block here, Like I used to

822
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 3: have to sit there and wait for the ten minute

823
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: ticker to come up on NBC just to see the

824
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: Raiders score. If they weren't on TV, there was no

825
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: way for.

826
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: Me to know it.

827
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: Like there was no Internet when I was a kid.

828
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: There was no way to track these games when I

829
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: was a kid. So an All Star game was a

830
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 3: real opportunity to see an Olympic style team take each

831
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: other on in the NBA.

832
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: That had meaning to all of us. We all wanted

833
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: to see.

834
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: That All Star games are for casuals and they're an

835
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: opportunity to really cement concepts and superstars. Right now, there's

836
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 3: plenty of conversation about the W and I think it's

837
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: pretty polarizing. I think it's pretty fair to say that

838
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: for every person right now that is enjoying the W,

839
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: there's five people that are loudly screaming about problems in

840
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: the WM. Frankly, I think of those five people screaming,

841
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: four out of five haven't watched a w game all year,

842
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: so they don't really know what they're screaming. That's just

843
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: modern culture and just we yell at a social media

844
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: highlight we see and we just presume that that's actually

845
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: reflective of what the games are.

846
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: That's real.

847
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: So to me, the WNBA All Star Game is an

848
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: opportunity to maybe show some things. Hopefully show like a

849
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 3: skills competition and a three point competition is a chance

850
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: to show some of these stars and maybe change some

851
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: of the narratives. It's a chance to help grow other stars.

852
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: Sophie Cunningham is a perfect example of just by being

853
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark adjacent, she has become a superstar, at least

854
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 3: on social media. Right, So this is an opportunity. How

855
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: many people are going to watch the WNBA All Star

856
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 3: festivities if they don't include Caitlyn Clark? They were being real,

857
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: Like the number of people that will watch it are

858
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: the same number of people that are such diehards they're

859
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: gonna watch it anyway. I was sitting last night in

860
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: a sushi place getting dinner. Flag football was on. I

861
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: was riveted. I was riveted by flag football.

862
00:39:59,360 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: I watched it.

863
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: I thought I should watch more flag football. Now I'm

864
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: not going to, but I thought I should watch more

865
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: flag football because it was fun in the moment.

866
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: Right. How many people just walking around.

867
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: Or just sitting in a bar this weekend see the

868
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: WNBA All Star festivities and they see Caitlin and they

869
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: watch it, and then maybe they see another player that

870
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 3: they like, maybe they see somebody else that they're super into.

871
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 3: But the WNBA All Star Game without Kaitlin is like

872
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: watching a normal golf tournament without Tiger.

873
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: Nobody does it. Now.

874
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: Golf guy can tweet me and be like, oh, if

875
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: you're not paying attention, it's not the point.

876
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: The point is nobody's paying attention. The current group.

877
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: Of golfers do not make casual people give a damn.

878
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: Just like the current flock of WNBA players not named

879
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: Kitlin Clark. Need Caitlin at that game, at that festivities,

880
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: at that function for everybody else to care. That's the

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Speaker 3: blown opportunity. This is huge for the WNBA. It's huge

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Speaker 3: for Caitlin. Obviously she needs to get healthy. That's first

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Speaker 3: and foremost long term, but short term, this is a

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Speaker 3: massive blow for attention for the league. Keep spending some

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Speaker 3: attention on the w NBA, but college football playoff.

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Speaker 2: What's it gonna look like? Will answer that next