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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it is between Francy and you are listening

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Speaker 2: to I up here with Francy.

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Speaker 3: Me and I heard rating your network for where we

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Speaker 3: get this podcast. As always, I am James. I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: Hoos Chad Dad?

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Speaker 3: How you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 1: Feel great?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: You had a little hiatus last week, get.

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Speaker 3: Some rest, didn't work through it?

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Speaker 4: Okay, this this winter doldrums continue, but I'll get there.

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Speaker 4: I'm working my way through.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: Did you did you get a lot of snow tonight?

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Speaker 1: I did it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, still right now? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Right about eight to ten right now?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's it. That's a good amount. We're projected

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Speaker 2: between one and three.

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Speaker 4: I think whoa it was clouds ready.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hubbs went outside and did a once down the

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Speaker 2: street and he was done.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, oh that's good.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, we had to get the whole team.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you have to invest in one of those snow blowers.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this last year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about it. I mean, I just don't

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Speaker 4: feel like I have enough ground that it's like necessary,

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Speaker 4: somebody digging out a car like somebody who parks a

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Speaker 4: car on the street they need it. Yeah, I parked

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Speaker 4: one car to drive away, one car in the garage,

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Speaker 4: and I positioned to one car where you just dig

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Speaker 4: it out and boom, you're on your way. But you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It's one day when the chants there's

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Speaker 4: too feeble to push the shovel, which, you know what,

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Speaker 4: might not be that far off with my saiatic acting up.

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Speaker 3: You know, my my psiatic has been bothering me for years.

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Speaker 2: The older I get, the more I find out that

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Speaker 2: things are just going downhill. So yeah, we won't even

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Speaker 2: we won't even talk about all that because I'd be

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Speaker 2: here for a year. I'm letting you know everything that's

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Speaker 2: wrong with me.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's cold today, it's a cold one and

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Speaker 2: Florida dreaming. My son today, all he's been watching are Disney,

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Speaker 2: Like the buses, Hey, welcome, this is taking you to

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Speaker 3: That's all I heard all day, Like are you on

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Speaker 2: And then back in the day and I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you guys were doing Disney, because I don't think

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Speaker 2: used to be a lady named Stacy, and Stacy was

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Speaker 2: like the Disney person, and every time you went into

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Speaker 2: I figured she was a little before your time. But

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she was fired or she left

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Speaker 2: But there's a million videos of Stacy on YouTube, and

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Speaker 2: he's like, hey, mom, remember Stacy.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I love Stacy. So he was running

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's cool.

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Speaker 4: Behind the Disney podcast starring Stacey where she tells all

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Speaker 4: the dirty secrets she.

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Speaker 3: Should a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: No, it was one of those videos where you walk

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Speaker 2: and she takes you to like every park she takes

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Speaker 2: I heard her all day to night.

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Speaker 4: And it was and it's not like a bot or anything.

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Speaker 4: It's a real person.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's a person. You're literally walking through the parks

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Speaker 3: That's all you heard. Must Yes, it's Stacy. Disney's must

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's a whole thing, is the thing, and.

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Speaker 3: She's she was wonderful. She was wonderful at it.

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Speaker 2: And when she left, there was such an uproar, like

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Speaker 3: We want Stacy, we love Stacy. I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 2: And then she I think she tweeted like thanks for

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Speaker 2: all the love, guys, but you know, a different chapter

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Speaker 3: And so she's gone.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, wow, I'm seeing this right now. What a

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Speaker 4: what a hullabaloo that she's that she's gone. All these sights.

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Speaker 3: People were kissed. I loved Stacy. She was great. So

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Speaker 3: I got my my mix of Stacy and the bus.

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Speaker 3: The bus rides today.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I gotta be honest with that. But

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Speaker 4: she did this from twentousand and five to twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: How do you just acts.

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Speaker 4: Something like that when people are so used to having

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Speaker 4: the old, the older talent and bringing in the new blood.

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Speaker 4: How do you not replace it? How do you just

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Speaker 1: Of it cold?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like the Disney like a mascot kind

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Speaker 3: So we were very upset when Stacey left.

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Speaker 2: But our guest is here enough with the Disney babble,

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Speaker 2: Luke Hawk, Ladies and gentlemen, Hi, Luke, how are you?

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Speaker 5: What's up doing? Can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I can hear you. I can see you.

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Speaker 2: So happy that you made it today. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: coming on. I know it was a little last minute.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's good to see beyond though.

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Speaker 2: Nice new Louis. Let me see something because I saw you.

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Speaker 2: Where were we when I saw was it? Wrest right

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Speaker 2: right right? We're in North Carolina. And let me tell you,

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Speaker 2: Sheene Douglas has mentioned your name so many times to me,

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Speaker 2: and he's always like, Luke Hawks such a great guy,

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Speaker 2: and Luke Hawk this Lucalk and I'm like, I know

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Speaker 1: We've met back in the day, like when I was

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Speaker 5: So he's been on a couple couple Uh he's known

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Speaker 1: Rob never tried anything on me. Never. I was around

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Speaker 1: and then I talked to I call Robber, I'm leaving

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Speaker 5: So I I'll call me when you get here.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, wait, I just drove up the field

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Speaker 5: So I had vix address because I used to just

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Speaker 5: So I pulled out the old road man.

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, man, I'm gonna drive this mother's house

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Speaker 5: Gonna ask him to train me to be a wrestler.

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Speaker 5: And he's gonna think that I have so much passion.

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Speaker 1: I didn't call Vic or nothing. I just drove straight

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Speaker 1: from Philadelphia. I didn't tell nobody. I drove spray from

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Speaker 5: He knew who I was, and he said, oh, what

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Speaker 1: I said, man, I drove out here because I want

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Speaker 1: looked yeah, and he looked at me. He said, you're

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Speaker 3: Know, can I interrupt one second?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 2: You drove from New Orleans to Philly, right e. C

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Speaker 2: so this is like two thousand and one, two thousand.

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Speaker 1: And two, because we went to two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and one.

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Speaker 2: Went bankrupt in two thousand and one. Rob had r

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Speaker 2: oh going.

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Speaker 3: So you came up.

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Speaker 1: It just it was just started, like I don't even

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Speaker 5: It was so longer.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember if they started yet. But but like

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Speaker 2: Were you were trained, but you were still kind of green.

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Speaker 2: But Rob said, you come down here and we'll get

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Speaker 1: Or no, no, no, I was gonna work for R

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Speaker 1: Video at Yeah, that way I could pay my bills

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Speaker 1: finding spots gigs there. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So scared right now, And and when I see him,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna heal the ship out.

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Speaker 1: You should, you should, because he acts like a punk

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Speaker 1: bitch over itness he he won't, he won't admit it.

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Speaker 5: He wan't.

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Speaker 1: He don't. He don't wanna, he don't want to come.

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Speaker 5: He don't wanna, he don't wanna. He needs to make do.

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Speaker 5: He needs, he needs to make do.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: That's that makes me so angry because you were I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say little, but you were a kid.

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Speaker 5: I was a kid. I was a kid, So I mean,

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Look that's the world, you know,

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Speaker 1: And then what you learn is is it sucks. Right.

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Speaker 1: But then what I've learned, especially being in entertainment, it

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Speaker 1: ain't nothing but full of false promises. You meet so

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Speaker 1: lie straight to your face, they smile to your face,

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Speaker 1: they hug you and lie look right, they hold your

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, this is gonna be great. And then you

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Speaker 1: So uh, you learn, you learn to have those tough

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Speaker 5: Right. I could have let that definement. I could have quit.

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Speaker 1: I could have came back home and just said, screw it,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it now. I drove my

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Speaker 1: ass to Oakland. You know, I took a chance. VIC

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Speaker 1: told me no, he wasn't gonna train me, said didn't

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Speaker 1: I stayed in front of his house. I bothered him

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Speaker 1: every day. Are as I was persistent. I bothered them

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Speaker 1: every day because I look, I look.

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Speaker 5: I knew.

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Speaker 1: I knew the wrestling Louisiana was bad, so like I

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Speaker 1: I had a loud mouth. I was fighting, you know,

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Speaker 1: I get fightd all the time. I was one hundred

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Speaker 1: than all these you know, punk ass dudes that were

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Speaker 1: Like like if you if you screwed with me, I

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Speaker 1: it was never it wasn't. Oh you know, we fucked

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Speaker 1: It was like, oh you see how he acts went

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And I had to learn that I had to learn

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Speaker 1: I'm sad.

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Speaker 2: That makes me so upset. I don't like stories like that,

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Speaker 2: you know. But it did make you the person that

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Speaker 2: you are today. So that's one of the positives that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and and because because of because I

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Speaker 1: it led me down a different path and it gave

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Speaker 1: not just for me, but for so many others, especially

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Speaker 1: in my community. You know, I took I took this

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Speaker 5: You know, they grew up similar to me.

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Speaker 1: That grew up rough lives, that grew up tough, They

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Speaker 1: Something, I would have never been able to do that.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about the acting, because you're saying like

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Speaker 1: Do No, No, I didn't move. I wrestle. I wrestled the

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Speaker 1: You know you're still k shows?

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Speaker 3: Uh are you out of the South now or.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in New Orleans still. I have our federation.

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Speaker 1: We just had a really big show, our thirteen year anniversary.

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Speaker 1: We just had December sixth I wrestled my son in

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Speaker 1: Because me and my son haven't spoken two years. We

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Speaker 1: really dark place over honestly. But but you know, because

439
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,320
Speaker 1: it was my He was my drive. He was like

440
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 1: all I had. I grew up in the boys home.

441
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,119
Speaker 1: I had a real bad, real real bad upbringing. You know,

442
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: if anybody knows my backstory, they know exactly what I'm

443
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 1: talking about. I mean, and it was a lot better

444
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 1: than what most people know. So my son was like

445
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: my everything. And when we we we had this wonderful

446
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 1: career in film and wrestling together and then you know,

447
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 1: we started having some troubles a little over two years ago,

448
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 1: and and it was really like towards his college in days,

449
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 1: a girl came along and just priorities kind of changed

450
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 1: on everything. And before he was my right hand, you know,

451
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 1: and everything I was doing, everything I was really doing,

452
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: was really for my son.

453
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 5: My whole life was I was doing all the stuff

454
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 5: I wanted to.

455
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I'm moving, i'm acting, i'm wrestling,

456
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm traveling, but I.

457
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 5: Was doing all this with my son.

458
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 1: So it was a dream come true. Because how how

459
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 1: awesome is that? Right? Like I didn't have a day,

460
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't grow up with a father of them.

461
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 1: My dad didn't want nothing to do it. So I

462
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 1: got to spend my life traveling with my kid on

463
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 1: the road and putting them in films. And you know,

464
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 1: he's missing high school today to go beat on a

465
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 1: skit and raw and work with his favorite wrestler on

466
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 1: television and go back to school Tuesday, you know what

467
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean.

468
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 5: Like he had a really cool life.

469
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: But after, you know, when he got about twenty three,

470
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,880
Speaker 1: twenty four, it kind of became well, I'm becoming a man,

471
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 1: and Dad, I don't want to listen to you no more,

472
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 1: and then you start making mistakes. And then Dad's going, well, look,

473
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm providing this, this, and this still for you.

474
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 5: And he said, well, I don't need you to provide

475
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 5: those things. So I'm a man and well you're a

476
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 5: man between you know. Like so so, so we had

477
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 5: that classic battle.

478
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: And it got bad, and it got it got really bad,

479
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it became to a point now

480
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: to like where if I'm honest about everything, because people

481
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: always ask they think it to work to think it's wrestling.

482
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 1: You know, we're cordial. I don't talk to them, we

483
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: don't see each other. But like if I see him

484
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 1: at my other son's wrestling me, so you know, i'll

485
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: see him Saturday. My son's got a BJJ turn on Saturday,

486
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: so you know he'll sit on the other side of

487
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: the stadium. I sit on one side. If we see

488
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 1: each other, you know, give ahead, nod and just keep

489
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: on and and and that's it. And then I'm not

490
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: upset about that because I realized as a father, those

491
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: are things like he has to go down his own battles,

492
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: he has to figure out his own things.

493
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 5: But the whole point was like that led to a

494
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 5: big cage match.

495
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: And you know this franny that that the best storylines

496
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: are real life storylines.

497
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 5: You don't have to you know, that's that's where real

498
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 5: emotion comes in. So we had this banging show, you.

499
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 1: Know, you know, we had Sam Man there, we had

500
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: Dudley's there, Uh signed some autographs and then our crew

501
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: but like you know, they you know, Bubba went on

502
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: Busted Open the next day and him and Mark Henry

503
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: they just talked for about twenty minutes on how good

504
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: our show was and how we'rell running this.

505
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 5: We have such a good promotion here, a good.

506
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: School, great talent, but we don't get a lot of

507
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: recognition just because we're in the South. We're not in

508
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 1: that Northeast bet or that La bed where where all

509
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: the publicity's that and all the writers at So you know,

510
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: everything we get is from you know, having people like

511
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: you put us on a spotlight and give us a

512
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: little time and come on and you know, I know

513
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about me, but we're giving this.

514
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 5: We use this platform. We're talking about my wildcare right.

515
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: So it's cool to get into those fan bases that

516
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: we might not necessarily have. Those fans and you say, Okay.

517
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 1: With New Walles, they got this really big promotion that's

518
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: doing these really big things and they have been for

519
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: thirteen years, and they got other projects like Heels, you know,

520
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: Iron Claw, all these films coming along with it. So

521
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: you know, thanks again, thanks for having me on and

522
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: giving us the opportunity to talk about all this.

523
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 3: I've wanted you on for a while.

524
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: Like I said, Shane has been pushing your name to me,

525
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 2: like like every time I talk to him and he'll say, oh,

526
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: you know that that guy Luke Hawk, and I go, yeah,

527
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 2: you talk about like all the time, always nice. I

528
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: always put you over and He's like, oh, I'm doing

529
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: this for him or I'm doing that for him. He's

530
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 2: such a good guy. And that's when I was like,

531
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: do I know him? I know of him, but I

532
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: now I met you as a fifteen year old kid,

533
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 2: but I know, yeah, a man.

534
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: Well we met in passing. We met in passing, but

535
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: it was like you know what I mean, Like we

536
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: would be doing a sign and something like something in

537
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 1: the Northeast and you know, I say hello and then

538
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: like we didn't we didn't really have any interaction.

539
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 5: But this is cool for me because you know, look,

540
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: I'm still a fan at the end of the day,

541
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 5: no matter what I do, I'm always going to be

542
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 5: a fan.

543
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: So, like you know, and I'm gonna be honest. You

544
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: probably don't have people came on and tell you this.

545
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved your work and I thought, you know,

546
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: out of all the females of that era, especially at

547
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: E c W, I thought You're still was always like

548
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: the most legit, you know what I mean. I just

549
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: thought I thought, I thought you you no matter what

550
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: position you were in, you were able to play that role.

551
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and I don't know what your

552
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: background is. I don't know what you're saying back, And

553
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: I was curious to ask this because I didn't know

554
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: what you you know, I know how some people get

555
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: thrown in, some people training, some people come from different areas.

556
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know how you exactly got involved. So I

557
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: just knew that you always played the role and you

558
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: did it very well. So, like you know, I really committed.

559
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm a workhorse. I like working, I like things believable,

560
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: I like action, I like looking good, you know what

561
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: I mean. So so, and you were just always that

562
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: person for me as a female.

563
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. So I appreciate that.

564
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: Thank you, So that's so nice to hear.

565
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: I actually I was doing life insurance and I grew

566
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: up in Philadelphia and I was doing life insurance. I

567
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 2: worked in Center City, downtown and I noticed DCW on

568
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: a Tuesday night at six o'clock. And I had just

569
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: gotten into wrestling, like my My taste of wrestling was

570
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 2: WWF and.

571
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: Global, that's all.

572
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: I yeah, And I was only a fan, not even

573
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: for a year, right, And I find DCW on TV

574
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: and I hated my job, Luke.

575
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: I hated it and I was like.

576
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: Watching this and I said, I think I can do that.

577
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: Never met a wrestler, never, like no one in ECW.

578
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: I knew nothing, didn't know what a bump was.

579
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: Nothing.

580
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: And there was a commercial and it said if you

581
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: want to be a manager or a referee or a wrestler,

582
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: just call this number.

583
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: And I picked up the phone.

584
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: I called the number and no Bob Orties his wife,

585
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: a ring announcer. His wife answered and she said, you

586
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: have to go meet Todd Gordon. And I was like,

587
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: who's Todd Gordon? Because I, you know, I had just

588
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: only been watching for a month. The ECW product and

589
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: it's when like it was Eastern Championship Wrestling, and yeah,

590
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 2: they didn't.

591
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: Really have the big names that they did later on.

592
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: And I just went down there and I met with

593
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: Todd and he's like, well, you need to sign up

594
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: for wrestling school, and I said okay, and I gave

595
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: him fifteen hundred dollars and I trained in the back

596
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: of the arena probably for two months.

597
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 5: Okay.

598
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to be a female wrestler.

599
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 2: And then I had a tryout match and they told

600
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: me to come to a house show and I met

601
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: Paul Hayman, and Paul said female wrestling doesn't sell. You're

602
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: going to make money as a manager, and he did

603
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: not want me to train anymore. He didn't want me

604
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: to be a wrestler, so to speak. So like I

605
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: had all these dreams of being this big time wrestling woman. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no,

606
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: you're not going to make money like that, because remember

607
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: this is nineteen ninety three.

608
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 5: But see that's cool, yeah, and that's okay. So yeah,

609
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 5: a few years before.

610
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: Then, I thought so, but that's cool because what you're

611
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: telling me is you had the initiative to be the

612
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: wrestler and come do all the training and so that

613
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: that would make sense why you were so good in

614
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: those roles then, you know, like you weren't just put

615
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: out there.

616
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: I had two months of training, yeah, but still Yeah,

617
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: basically my training was like how to take a back

618
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: bump and run the ropes, and they taught me a

619
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: little bit about selling the basics.

620
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: The basics.

621
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 5: But you had so many good people to learn from

622
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 5: in that area, you know what I mean, that's the thing.

623
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Shane Douglas.

624
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: And because I didn't have a female to help me,

625
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: Like I was looking for that female role model and

626
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: I just there wasn't one.

627
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: I didn't have it.

628
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: And when Shane came back, he had left for WWF

629
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: and he came back and one night with him and

630
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: I were just talking. I just met him, and Paul

631
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: saw something between us, and that's why Paul put us together. Conversation.

632
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: He said, I saw something in the way your body

633
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: language was with each other. I don't know, And I

634
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: was like, oh, and we were, you know, together until

635
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: he left for w CW.

636
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: So it just worked out.

637
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate the I just wanted to be a sponge

638
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: and just learn and wanted to be more than like

639
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: a pretty face.

640
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: I wanted to like take finishers and bump and be

641
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: one of the boys and.

642
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: Show them that I can work, because I wanted to

643
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: leave a mark in the business, like on a positive note,

644
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: just not for being like a.

645
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: Rat or so these girlfriends right right, a.

646
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: Girl who just stood there and did doing things, So

647
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: that that means a lot.

648
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 5: That you said, well, you did it. You did it,

649
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 5: So kudos to you, man, that's awesome.

650
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: But enough about me, I want to know about you.

651
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: I am a huge fan of Heels.

652
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: I watched the first two seasons absolutely love love love

653
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: the show.

654
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: Thank you tell me how you got involved in.

655
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: That initially, So when the project was talked about and

656
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: it was coming to fluation, I got a call and

657
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: it was like, I've been in a film business. So

658
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: what most people didn't know was like I was always

659
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: known as wrestler, but behind the scenes I was worked

660
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: in the film since pretty months like two thousand and six,

661
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: but really two thousand and nine is when I kind

662
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: of like it's when I got my SAG card and

663
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: started to kind of really work more. But what happened

664
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: was I was shooting a well he i't go with

665
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: the hostory, I'll just go back to hills. I was

666
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: about to say how I got involved in the film

667
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: business and go on a damn rant, but uh so,

668
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: so long story, long story, short is you know I

669
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: I got in the film business from Vampiro. He helped

670
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: me out and he had he had a film he

671
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: was making about him in Gualahara, Mexico, and we were

672
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: shooting WSX in two thousand and six for m TV

673
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: two thousand and five from.

674
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: TV I remember that, okay.

675
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 5: Right, So so me and vamp Uh.

676
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: Vamp had had his producers and director for the show

677
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: for his film there at at the Takings. They had

678
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: asked me to what I be interested in being in

679
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: the film events like I wanted on a film, so,

680
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, like everything else, I thought there was full

681
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: of bs, you know. I thought it would never happen.

682
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: And we switched contacts and everything, and three months later

683
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: I got a call and they said, hey, we want

684
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: to fly you to gile of Hard in Mexico. Pay

685
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: you a certain amount of money. You know, well, I'll

686
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: say it's a thousand dollars a day for a week,

687
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: seven days. Thousand dollars a day, you know, plus they

688
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: pay for yeah, first class airfare and all that stuff.

689
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: And then just two thousand and five, I wasn't getting

690
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: trigger like that by any means. I was still working

691
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: on any houses, doing plumbing and stuff, you know. So

692
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: I was struggling, you know, and just chase chasing the dream.

693
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: And I got that film with Little Fire Met and

694
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: from there I was like, I got to figure out

695
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: how to do racked in stunts, right, So I learned.

696
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: I went to stunt school. I figured out a stunt school.

697
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I went to stunt school for a couple of years.

698
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: Struggled there. I mean, it was just hard work because

699
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: I was working. You're not making any money, you're turning

700
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: it for two years, like wrestlings. The same stuff paying

701
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: you do is paying you do. You're going and going

702
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: on sets and you're pulling pads and doing free stuff

703
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: to try and make a name for your stuff. To go, hey,

704
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm working for an opportunity if you ever want to

705
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: get me, a young guy, an opportunity. So I did that,

706
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: you know, and I paid my dues and then you know,

707
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: one thing led to another and I started working more

708
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: in films and I built a career in film and

709
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: then but everybody knew me as a wrestler. Luke's the wrestler.

710
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: He runs a promotion, he wrestles all these stars, he

711
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: does this, he does that. He knows he's a good choreographer.

712
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: So when Heels came along, they were like, Yo, we

713
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: got this wrestling project. And every coordinator that I talked

714
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: to who is to be a stunt coordinator for the

715
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: show called me and they were like, yo, I might

716
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: have this show. I might have this show and that

717
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: several guys called me like I might have this show

718
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: coming up. We need you four because you're the guy

719
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: to run everything.

720
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 5: So I was like, hell, yeah, either way it goes.

721
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: I got this show, right. So anyway, Arty Molesti ends

722
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: up getting the show and already already is you know,

723
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: is a legend, super duper legend in the game and

724
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: already called me, and I spoke with already and always

725
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: looked like I'm not going to do the show without you,

726
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: and and uh, long story short, there was a lot

727
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: of turmoil at first because I got hired, but then

728
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: there was another wrestler that that they that somebody else

729
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: wanted to work there, and they didn't care for me

730
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: too much, so uh that that it became a little

731
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: turmoil for a little bit because that wrestler was like, oh.

732
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 5: I'm not going to work with him if you I

733
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 5: do really want to hire my people. And that wrestler

734
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 5: didn't have.

735
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: Film credentials though, he just had wrestling credentials. So so

736
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: so long story short, it was. It was a pain,

737
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, And I honestly don't have no beef with

738
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: the wrestler. It's all bs, you know what I mean,

739
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: like people, it's it.

740
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 5: Is what it is, so no hard feelings. And I

741
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 5: ended up getting a job.

742
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: And you know, the cool thing was was I was

743
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: talking to Peter Segull after the end of season one,

744
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: and Peter Steve was another legend. You know, he's started

745
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy water Boy longa shard making god, you know

746
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, like name, he's the man. So he was,

747
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, the main director for heels Own executive producers.

748
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: And the very last day of filming on season one,

749
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: he came up to me and he said, hey, you know,

750
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: can I talk to you for a minute.

751
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: And I was like yeah. He's like, look, you know,

752
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 5: I want you to know like you.

753
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Were always the guy for this project, like we wanted

754
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: you for and it was because I would talk to

755
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: him since day one. You were the guy, and they

756
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: were like in the beginning when the other guy came along,

757
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, with some favors and politics and stuff, but

758
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm sorry that all that happened, but he goes.

759
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: I want you to know that, you know, even though

760
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: that guy is like a very well known wrestler and

761
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: you're not.

762
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 5: You know, you're not a name.

763
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a name.

764
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: You know, like, we didn't really know what.

765
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: We were getting with you. Even though we thought you

766
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: were the guy for the job. We weren't sure, you know,

767
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: we we thought you were the guy, but we weren't

768
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: sure where we were going to get with you. But

769
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: we want you to know we're so freaking glad that

770
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: we went with you. And this project couldn't have been

771
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: half as good if you wouldn't have been involved. So like,

772
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: so man, it like they really showed their appreciation because

773
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: they did they took a chance.

774
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: Look, I'm realistic, right, I'm an andy guy.

775
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: I've never had a major I've never had a major

776
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: wrestling contract, and I pride myself on that because I

777
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: made a really good name and career for myself without

778
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: being that self made Joe Gertner always self made, and

779
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of help along the way, but

780
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: I didn't have a machine. I didn't have a machine

781
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: push me, you know. I mean everything I did was

782
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: through my work and my determination. So I was very

783
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: prideful to hear that. You know, yeah, I did need

784
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: a guy out who's way more well known than me

785
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: in the wrestling world for a job.

786
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 5: And you know, like I did what I.

787
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: Said I was gonna do. And not only did I

788
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: said I was gonna do what I was gonna say

789
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna do it, I went one hundred and

790
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: fifty times beyond that, and I'm not I hit a

791
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: grand slam. So they were like, you know, and I

792
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: got to prove myself. I got to take the gloves off.

793
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: That was the first time and film where I got

794
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: to like take the gloves off and they were like, yo,

795
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: go do your thing. You know, before I was like

796
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: startman or directors telling me, hey, we need you to

797
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: play this role and we need this out of you,

798
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, or sometimes you just get thrown to some

799
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: blind and you got to add lib or something but

800
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: this was the first time where they're.

801
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 5: Like, yo, read the script, break it down, tell me

802
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 5: what you think.

803
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Change what you want, you know, if you have ideas,

804
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: and like they would call me and go, what do

805
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: you have for this?

806
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 5: And I go, man, I could do this, this, this,

807
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 5: and they go, that's that's awesome, that's great.

808
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm telling y'all, motherfucker's how smart I

809
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: am forever, you know.

810
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: What I mean, Like let me let me interject one second.

811
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: So you're acting on the show because we see acting roles,

812
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: you're also help excuse me, helping write the scripts.

813
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: So so so I was the wrestling coordinator and so

814
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: so anything wrestling related went through me. Uh so, so

815
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: like I had to rate that, you know, go through

816
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: all the scripts, make sure make sure that lingos right.

817
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: And like some people would bitch, you know, like I

818
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: would see people bitch online. They go, okay, I just

819
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: washed heels. And it was so stupid because, you know,

820
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: writing up the script for his wrestlers backstage.

821
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 5: You know, indie wrestler don't have scripts. I'm like, you

822
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 5: ain't obviously been to a lot of indie shows.

823
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look Punk, seeing Punk his first day there.

824
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: We're talking about that. His first day there, he kills

825
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: my boy. But his first day there. The first thing

826
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: we talked about is script. She's like, man, I remember

827
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: one Indie Shaw was on this promoter walked up and

828
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: gave me like a three page script and said, this

829
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: is where I went from you all to night. He said,

830
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: I just balled it up and threw it on the floor.

831
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've had it.

832
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 5: Ain't typical, but it happens.

833
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: You know, like in a good television show or somewhere

834
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: that's ran, that's produced, they're going to write things up

835
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: and then it's not going to be you know, Fly

836
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: by the Sea, the Pants, you know that, unless you're

837
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: doing something like Constant Right, you gotta go night after

838
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: night at the night sometimes. But but if it's a

839
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: television show, they write that up weekly. They write that

840
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: up all the time.

841
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: They work. They work from a storyline. It ain't just

842
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 5: most people. I'm not saying it's not done.

843
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: Most people just ain't writing weekly though, and go okay,

844
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: we're going to write as the week goes. Right, They got, okay,

845
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: we have a storyline for Francine. We want to take

846
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: her from here and we want to put her over here,

847
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: and we want to end with her over here. So

848
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: to do that, we got to do this, this, this, sure,

849
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's how wrestling go.

850
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: A good promotion, A good promotion, not an independent promotion.

851
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: So I would take things like that, but I would

852
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: get feedback and I wouldn't get personally. I would see

853
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: it online. I would see all the independent wrestlers talk

854
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: about how none of that would happen on a wrestling show,

855
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: and I go, okay, yeah, because because I have no

856
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: experience and I've never wrestled for the last twenty five

857
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: years and been through all this shit, you know.

858
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: Like in today's world, because most of these indie shows

859
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: are on fight TV or or there are streams online

860
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: or so you have to have some structure or you

861
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: just look ridiculous.

862
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: Right, But most of them look ridiculous. They think it's

863
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: just adding commentary, you know what I mean. Put some

864
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: matches together, fantasy booker, pash and commentary, have a bell ringer,

865
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: turn the cameras on and go.

866
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 5: That's not you know, you got to look. If you've

867
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 5: got a spot, let me.

868
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: Let me break this down on the Francine Podcast.

869
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 6: For people in television production and wrestling, they let's say

870
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 6: I got a spot going on right here, and it's

871
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 6: going to be a big spot, and like we're working

872
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 6: towards this main spot.

873
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: Well, what I want to do is tell my cameramen

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Speaker 1: to be in position so they get the best spot

875
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Speaker 1: for the finish or whatever we need to go on television.

876
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Speaker 5: That doesn't happen on a typical show, they just go on.

877
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Speaker 5: Ye they miss it because they have no idea what's

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Speaker 5: going on.

879
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Speaker 1: But if you had a producer and some production going on,

880
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: they would tell you what needs to be seen and

881
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: what needs and with the point of it is what

882
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: we're trying to lead to.

883
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Speaker 3: So I've ran I'm sorry, I'm righty, No, you're you're

884
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent correct.

885
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Speaker 2: How many times have we watched something we do watch

886
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Speaker 2: along sometimes and how many times have I told you, Chad,

887
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Speaker 2: they missed the spot, the cameraman's not in the right position,

888
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Speaker 2: or nobody gave him the iggy to tell him this

889
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Speaker 2: was coming up, and then what what the crescendo is

890
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: supposed to be? Nobody sees it because they missed it.

891
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Speaker 4: Right, especially if there's something going on on the outside

892
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Speaker 4: or there's some other sort of action. They missed the

893
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Speaker 4: pivotal spot that's going to be the end of the match.

894
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it happened, but look, it happens, right.

895
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Speaker 1: But but the whole thing is some things are preventable

896
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Speaker 1: and and that's that's learned. If you have it work

897
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Speaker 1: with somebody that showed you how to do that, you're

898
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Speaker 1: probably not going to know. So that's where experience comes

899
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Speaker 1: in and having these guys like Shane be around to

900
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: teach the locker room and say, hey, let's do this.

901
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 5: Let's put this guy over here, let's have this work

902
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 5: this way.

903
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Speaker 1: You need that. I still need it.

904
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm no, I beg for it. I beg

905
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 5: for it because I want to get better.

906
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Speaker 1: I do.

907
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Speaker 5: I just want to get better always.

908
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Speaker 3: We all do.

909
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Speaker 2: And you don't know how many times that I would

910
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Speaker 2: just go to our handheld guy and I would say, hey,

911
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be.

912
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Speaker 3: Doing this before that.

913
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Speaker 2: I would give them like two spots before and I'd

914
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: be like, if you could just get in the position,

915
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Speaker 2: because I really want people to see me do my

916
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: one spot.

917
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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you for telling me.

918
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Speaker 5: They appreciate it.

919
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Speaker 3: Take the initiative, do it yourself.

920
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Speaker 1: You know. And they like that though, because that makes

921
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: them look good because then look, if they get the shot,

922
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: they're like, oh man, a camera man just got the

923
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: perfect shot. Like it's a team effort, it's all team.

924
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: But now everything's so individual. Everything's all about me, all

925
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: about my moves, all about what I'm getting.

926
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Speaker 2: You know, like everybody wants to give themselves over where

927
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: I just want to collectively, and you know, I make money,

928
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: you make money.

929
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Speaker 3: We make money.

930
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Speaker 1: And that's how it works. That's how it works for sure.

931
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Speaker 3: Hee everyone who If you aren't doing the interview so far,

932
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: please tune in on Thursday for part two.

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