Speaker 1: The volume. You know, you don't do the ball championship.
Speaker 1: That should always be the expectation. I ain't man.
Speaker 2: Actually go ahead, Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast.
Speaker 2: We got a guest I've been waiting on a while
Speaker 2: since his rookie year, Sauce Gardner, the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: How you doing, brother, I'm good, man, can't complaining how you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Just got got off
Speaker 2: my run, feeling good. Coach called me the other day
Speaker 2: it was like, hey, can you play? I said, nah,
Speaker 2: my growin ain't got that no more brown, ain't got
Speaker 2: what these young boys.
Speaker 1: Need no more. Man. This game is fast, man, I
Speaker 1: feel that.
Speaker 2: It is fast, and it is a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot more lateral than people understand. But I want to
Speaker 2: talk to you from the beginning because you grew up
Speaker 2: in Detroit. I'm sure you wanted to go to Michigan
Speaker 2: or Michigan State. And you know there there's been this
Speaker 2: story out there of you and the Michigan State locker room.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, when you were young, when
Speaker 2: you're being recruited and trying to get there and they
Speaker 2: didn't even get your offer, and then you know. Obviously
Speaker 2: years later everybody left wishing, you know, what if, what if?
Speaker 1: What if? But tell me, tell me how you felt
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: Man, I remember that day, like as you'll can see
Speaker 3: the video, I was real young.
Speaker 1: I froed like five seven in that video.
Speaker 3: That was my freshman year and like that was my
Speaker 3: first time being in like a big locker room.
Speaker 1: Like a locker room was a big school.
Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm from Detroit, so Michigan, Michigan State, those are
Speaker 3: the schools that you grow up on to go to,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Obviously my dream school is Oregon.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie because they had swag, you know,
Speaker 3: the unis all that was fired. But like Michigan State
Speaker 3: was the one where I'm like, if I could go
Speaker 3: to like a Michigan school, like that'll probably be the
Speaker 3: That'll probably be the one, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of people ain't believe in me when I.
Speaker 3: Was making that video, and you know, it's just it's
Speaker 3: a blessing to be where I am today. I remember
Speaker 3: I was at a football camp and the DC from Michigan.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, what I got to do to get
Speaker 1: offer from Michigan?
Speaker 3: He was like and we don't really be we don't
Speaker 3: really like lanky corners, we don't really like longer corners.
Speaker 3: And it was I forgot his name. I forgot his name.
Speaker 3: I can't remember his name, but he was.
Speaker 1: He probably ain't there no more. Yeah he was. He's
Speaker 1: not there no more.
Speaker 3: He was in DC when I was like in tenth grade,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know it was, it was. It was kind
Speaker 1: of crazy, man.
Speaker 3: All of that was just motivation hit to keep me
Speaker 3: going and to push me to get where I are
Speaker 3: in today.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I mean we all need the chip
Speaker 2: on the shoulder. And you know I was the same
Speaker 2: way when I was coming out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: just a skinny kid. I might have been one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty pounds, soaking wet, like my sophomore year, six ' three,
Speaker 2: super uncoordinated.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, I got a little better as it got older,
Speaker 2: because I went from like five seven like you were
Speaker 2: your freshman year. Yeah, So I was that in the
Speaker 2: eighth grade and then by ninth grade, I was like
Speaker 2: six two and a half and then so you had
Speaker 2: your gross spurt in tenth grade, I'm guessing.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, it was the end of tenth grade into
Speaker 1: tenth grade.
Speaker 2: Talk about how that was because I was super uncoordinated
Speaker 2: when it happened. It was like it happened so fast,
Speaker 2: and you like, all of a sudden got these long
Speaker 2: strides and you're like, bro, what happened to my little body?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, it was kind of weird, man, Like my
Speaker 3: torso took a little minute to grow.
Speaker 1: So it's like my legs and my arms was just getting.
Speaker 3: Longer, and it's like my torso stayed real small, Like
Speaker 3: I was like I was supposed to be an NBA
Speaker 3: or something. So it's kind of weird. Like my running
Speaker 3: for was changing. I was looking a little ugly. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: what's going on with me? It's a a minute to
Speaker 3: get used to, man. But I just remember I used
Speaker 3: to pray every night, like God, please let me hit
Speaker 3: a gross purt please. This is when I was playing receiver,
Speaker 3: because like that's what I wanted to do. But they're like, man,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna be able to play receiver. Too short?
Speaker 3: Maybe slide what about corner? They're like, nah, I don't
Speaker 3: know about that. Like, you know, the game is evolving
Speaker 3: a little bit more. You at least got to be
Speaker 3: like five ten, five eleven. I'm like, bro, like this,
Speaker 3: this just not working for me, you know, so right,
Speaker 3: no guy, my first.
Speaker 1: No question.
Speaker 2: He did, and all of it probably helped you, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because you did get some receiver experience,
Speaker 2: and you know what I mean, I think that's what
Speaker 2: helps us. All is at least helped me is playing
Speaker 2: receiver for so long, just being able to see the ball,
Speaker 2: catch it, recognize the angles and the trajectory and all
Speaker 2: that nonsense, and just knowing how to high point it
Speaker 2: and all that good stuff helped me a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Man.
Speaker 2: So when did you make the decision to officially like
Speaker 2: I'm playing corner the rest of the rest of the time.
Speaker 1: Man, Actually, it wasn't really even my decision to make.
Speaker 3: I went to King High School, Detroit King High School,
Speaker 3: and we was playing against our our rivals cast Take.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's some people that went to cast
Speaker 1: Take that you might know. If Donovan Peoples.
Speaker 3: Jones, he played receiver, he went there, you know, Jordan
Speaker 3: Lewis went there, you know, and our corner, the receiver
Speaker 3: ended up running like a glance route. Our corner ran
Speaker 3: into our safety. Our safety got up, he was fine.
Speaker 3: Our corner he broke his jaw, so he couldn't go
Speaker 3: in there, and I would isn't even a backup corner.
Speaker 3: But they didn't trust in the backup that we had,
Speaker 3: and they're like, it's somebody that we can trust, like
Speaker 3: even though he probably don't got the experience like that,
Speaker 3: could just go in there and just you know, make
Speaker 3: some plays.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: They threw me in there, and mind you this is
Speaker 3: I'm going to get people who four star guys, you know,
Speaker 3: strapping them. I'm like, maybe I can do this. And
Speaker 3: this was right before we started our playoff run, and
Speaker 3: they told me like, yeah, you're gonna be starting for
Speaker 3: the rest of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's that's what happened. Like I feel like my whole
Speaker 3: life and why I am where I am today is
Speaker 3: based on me just making the most out of opportunities.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's what happened in high school that I got to college.
Speaker 3: I get to college, I'm like six strength, six string cornerback.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sitting in the back of the classrooms,
Speaker 3: six string quarterback, not really playing. And I remember we
Speaker 3: had to go against UCS. They had guys like Gabriel Davis,
Speaker 3: Trey Nixon. They had some guys and you always was
Speaker 3: known for their hurry up. They have one of the
Speaker 3: receivers run a go ball and then sell him out
Speaker 3: and have another one come do the same thing, and
Speaker 3: it's like, if you at corner, you probably gonna get beat.
Speaker 3: So I remember at the beginning of the week, like
Speaker 3: everybody's gonna have to play. You know, uh Ama, you
Speaker 3: even gonna have to play. This is before they even
Speaker 3: calling me sauce. Like my coach is not calling me sauce.
Speaker 3: They amas, you probably even gonna have to play. They
Speaker 3: put me in there, they run they run a sit
Speaker 3: route because it was real basic offense room. Then man,
Speaker 3: if you're playing on top, they're gonna sit it down.
Speaker 3: I'm in cover three. I'm in cover three, and this
Speaker 3: is like not a match Cover three.
Speaker 1: We need to be bailing.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, bro, I was watching film, Like he
Speaker 3: told me you gonna play. He tells me I'm a place,
Speaker 3: So I'm watching film all week. I'm like, all right, bet,
Speaker 3: this is the play that I'm gonna make.
Speaker 1: Man. I act like I was bailing soon as he
Speaker 1: set it down. Picked at six. Yeah, and that's when
Speaker 1: that's when everything started. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's real, bro that because people don't understand the like balls,
Speaker 2: you gotta have to really like watch the tape, but
Speaker 2: then go out there and do what you what you're
Speaker 2: thinking you can do exactly like it's one thing to
Speaker 2: watch it and be like, man, I can make this play.
Speaker 2: I can make this play. I can try this dig
Speaker 2: I can do this. But then you get out there
Speaker 2: and bullets start flying and you're like, oh, well, I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't want them to double move
Speaker 2: or I don't want them to you mean, like you
Speaker 2: shot your gun young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, young man, I could have I could have liked that.
Speaker 3: The average person who going there young like, man, this
Speaker 3: is my first time. I don't know if I'm play
Speaker 3: again and I messed up. Let me just do my job, coach,
Speaker 3: let me just you know. But you know, I always
Speaker 3: I had a good camp. I had a good camp
Speaker 3: my fresh year. So I'm like, I'm gonna show them that,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not just a freshman, any old freshman.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show them like I was. I was supposed
Speaker 3: to be here. You know, I shot my gun and
Speaker 3: you know I was started it all.
Speaker 1: Bro. Bro, that's mindset.
Speaker 2: That's really that's a really cool mindset because that's what
Speaker 2: makes you special, you know what I mean? And that's
Speaker 2: in every aspect because that applies to everything.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There are so many people there corner corners in the
Speaker 2: league right now that watch tape and see stuff that
Speaker 2: they can make a play on. But in the back
Speaker 2: of their mind they're like, but what if and you
Speaker 2: don't play that what if game?
Speaker 1: You're like, go get it. Yeah, I tried not to
Speaker 1: play that with have game.
Speaker 3: I'd be lying if I said I didn't didn't at times,
Speaker 3: Like I remember, We're just playing against Minnesota, and I
Speaker 3: kept second guessing a little bit because they.
Speaker 1: OC is nice. He's nice.
Speaker 3: He is probably like one of the best OC's that
Speaker 3: I've ever played against, like ever.
Speaker 1: So like I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 3: I watched them and I'm like, Bro, they have the
Speaker 3: same exact stems, the same exact everything, and they're running the.
Speaker 1: Opposite rode off of it.
Speaker 3: Also, they'll literally have a void from two and they'll
Speaker 3: make you think it's a dig and have a dig
Speaker 3: and go off of it a boy from two and
Speaker 3: actually run a dig, they have a void from two
Speaker 3: stem in and run an out route.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, bro, they really like he's nice. That's
Speaker 3: probably one of the only games this year where I
Speaker 3: was like, I was sticking, like, bro, do I really
Speaker 3: want to gamble against him?
Speaker 1: And then they o see they see the head coach
Speaker 1: right right, come on.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking on the side and I just see
Speaker 3: his face. He got that face like he played quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm thinking, like, all right, he looking
Speaker 3: to lax, like what's going on? Like what's about to
Speaker 3: have been here? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was kind of crazy, man, But yeah, gotta get it.
Speaker 3: You gotta get him his flowers.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, he's one of the best out there
Speaker 2: right now, and he's he drawing him up like everybody's
Speaker 2: you know, Kyle Shanahan McVay. They all doing them spray
Speaker 2: releases offs a condensed split. And so when they get
Speaker 2: those spray releases. I started to when I was young.
Speaker 2: I just pressed everything and I ended all that shit
Speaker 2: and and then I just have to just fight in
Speaker 2: the run game, you know what I mean, Because sometimes
Speaker 2: they cracked and they get they get outside and so
Speaker 2: I just have to react quick. And you know, every
Speaker 2: now and then they get me. But for the most part,
Speaker 2: the past game was dead, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So if it's if it's third and something, or if
Speaker 2: it's second and long or something, I'm up there. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm about to dead all this ship, and y'all gonna
Speaker 2: have to show me that y'all can get to the
Speaker 2: edge in this past game. And as I got older,
Speaker 2: we had to start peddling. I still, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't like the pedal. I like to butt to
Speaker 2: the sideline everything. Yeah, And so I would I would
Speaker 2: back up like like two yards outside, probably like eight
Speaker 2: yards deep, butt to the sideline, and I would I
Speaker 2: would shuffle, id shuffle for two steps as they stem
Speaker 2: and I I, damn there be at like an angle
Speaker 2: so that I could break for the post or I
Speaker 2: could break for that out and you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I settle down on that curl.
Speaker 1: But that messes the problem.
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Speaker 3: Because like you said, that run game man, it's been crazy,
Speaker 3: Like the way that the way that teams try to
Speaker 3: detect off the condensed they see a corner press.
Speaker 1: They gonna try to get on the aas now. You know,
Speaker 1: teams really they they be hunt that that is.
Speaker 2: Right, unless you got it like a nine technique that's
Speaker 2: really gonna.
Speaker 1: Get No, that's that's that's that's that's a little different.
Speaker 3: You know. That's why I'll be saying I miss my
Speaker 3: dog jfm uh play for the Broncos. One of them
Speaker 3: non texts where it's like I don't want to say
Speaker 3: what I want to say, But he was one of them,
Speaker 3: like he crashing all of it down.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I had nothing to worry about.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I got nothing to worry about now,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, like, you know, when we played
Speaker 3: Denver before the game, I was talking to him man.
Speaker 1: Like, man, I miss you boys. You know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: b I miss you too. You know.
Speaker 3: It's one of them things like that's that's the brotherhood
Speaker 3: that come with being in the NFL. You know, the
Speaker 3: planet that you have with with with the past guys
Speaker 3: that you play with, you know, so yeah.
Speaker 2: It ain't no shot at the current guys. I'm sure
Speaker 2: they know you got a lot of love and respect
Speaker 2: for him, But it's just like Mike Bennett and Cliff
Speaker 2: Abra when they came. You know, we had big red
Speaker 2: and we used to play this sixth technique. Then Cliff
Speaker 2: came in. He wanted to be in a nine and
Speaker 2: he would always I would always say, man, you're making
Speaker 2: me get in the sea gap now, like just no,
Speaker 2: you got to close it. You gotta crash this down.
Speaker 2: And every time he would and now I'd be.
Speaker 1: Like, Weld, like this, we're good.
Speaker 3: Get some assistant tackles off of that, like you know,
Speaker 3: you ain't got to right boy tackle every single play.
Speaker 1: And the see gap.
Speaker 3: You know, he set their ends condens it down or
Speaker 3: set their ends arm over and both of y'all make
Speaker 3: the play.
Speaker 2: You know, that's I'm in there with you exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: But every now and then we used to have Mike
Speaker 2: be and he would jump a gap, so he would
Speaker 2: be and like he'd be playing the tackle because him
Speaker 2: and Cliff Wuld played the same side, and Clipp be
Speaker 2: the end. He'd beat the tackle so be like in
Speaker 2: a four eyes and then he jumped my gap and
Speaker 2: so I'd have to go to the beat gap, and
Speaker 2: you know it, get it get loud in that big gap.
Speaker 1: Really, you're real loud in there.
Speaker 3: Bro, I probably only had to make one tackle in
Speaker 3: the big gap my whole out of these old three seasons,
Speaker 3: one or two, and you're gonna fee him.
Speaker 1: If you don't feel right away're gonna feel them next day,
Speaker 1: for sure, no question. Look.
Speaker 2: I always tried to hit him shoulder to the thighs,
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to get down quick, like so I
Speaker 2: get down, wrap that up up to the ground because
Speaker 2: all these big fellas about to come exactly.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that's been my this year, bro, Like
Speaker 3: tackling people high in that like, Bro, I didn't got
Speaker 3: friendly fired this Brody got friendly fired probably like four
Speaker 3: or five times this season.
Speaker 2: Look, I gotta I gotta work with you one off season.
Speaker 2: We're gonna I'm gonna show you exactly hot track.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: They took the ground and you out of harm's way
Speaker 2: every time. I'm not hitting nobody high unless I got to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bro, we played the Patriots. I thought it was
Speaker 3: friendly fire. I'm snapping in the D line. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: y'all see, I'm pulling it because Remindre Ran, he ran
Speaker 3: he was like four yard self. I grabbed him. I'm
Speaker 3: pulling him back I'm thinking that d Lineman came and
Speaker 3: hit me. Mind you, I'm on the ground. I'm looking
Speaker 3: through my ear hole like, whoever hit me? My whole
Speaker 3: helmet that turned my face straight, helmet that shifted.
Speaker 1: So I'm heiling mad. You know. I look on film
Speaker 1: he was the Patriots ohod line and he just dove
Speaker 1: into me. Bro.
Speaker 3: But if I would have got lower, just made the tackle,
Speaker 3: I would have been chilling. Everything would have flew over me.
Speaker 3: So that's the one thing I do. Gotta get right on, Bro,
Speaker 3: because they be hunting. Well you you just got a track.
Speaker 2: Hey m m No, the drills to o no, the
Speaker 2: drills Like it's just shoulder pass the thigh every goddamn time.
Speaker 1: Like there's no option of like go high.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to binge your knees, get down there
Speaker 2: and shoulder to thigh Like I'm not I'm not hitting
Speaker 2: nobody high unless we the same size, and even then
Speaker 2: I'm probably not hitting you high unless I'm really just
Speaker 2: pissed off and I got some.
Speaker 1: Ship to get off. Yeah. Yeah, you're doing a great job. Brother.
Speaker 2: You get to the league with you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: going from like a three star then you and Kobe
Speaker 2: at at Cincinnati. First off, he balding right now. You know,
Speaker 2: he got his op and he got him a book.
Speaker 2: He putting it on tape right down at safety.
Speaker 3: Man weine. We've been talking, Man, We've been chopping it up.
Speaker 3: You know, I've been able to catch a couple of
Speaker 3: his games.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Just let him know how proud I am him. You
Speaker 3: always tell me how proud he is, and me like,
Speaker 3: he really a dog, Bro, You really a dog. Obviously
Speaker 3: it's football. You're gonna h your ups and downs. Bro,
Speaker 3: You're gonna have your ups and downs.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna be able to just cruise like this.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be up.
Speaker 3: You might go down a little bit, even if it's
Speaker 3: down a little bit, man. So you know, just being
Speaker 3: able to see him out there, man, like he's playing fast.
Speaker 3: You know, in the run game, past game, he's playing fast.
Speaker 3: I've seen one of the players. I forgot where they
Speaker 3: just played, but they threw the ball in the air.
Speaker 3: Bro had the ball.
Speaker 1: Safety. Kobe came out the post smack them.
Speaker 3: He threw the players. They ain't call it. They caught
Speaker 3: it up exactly, They picked it up.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So just to be able to see him out there
Speaker 3: having fun, man celebrating. You know, that's a blessing to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to pick against Atlanta. I think that
Speaker 2: was his first one. Yeah, I had to. I gotta
Speaker 2: go talk to him because you can't slide on picks.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well it's too hard to get him.
Speaker 1: I'm running faver.
Speaker 2: You look, you look at all my picks. Boy, I'm
Speaker 2: cutting across the field. I'm making this play last as
Speaker 2: long as I can.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. I didn't even know he slid on that.
Speaker 1: I just see him posted.
Speaker 3: I just seen him the picture him catching it.
Speaker 2: They ran a couple of yards and then, like you can,
Speaker 2: then slid and I was like, no, yeah, triping, But
Speaker 2: talk to me about getting drafted. And as high as
Speaker 2: you got drafted, was that where you wanted to go?
Speaker 2: Is that where you expected? Because I mean it's a
Speaker 2: short list of corners that they went top four.
Speaker 3: You know, I really thought that New York was where
Speaker 3: I was going to end up. You know, I love
Speaker 3: their coaching staff. You know, Houston, the official there, the
Speaker 3: thirty visitor was smooth. I feel like they scheme wasn't
Speaker 3: really for me. Right when they had that coaching staff
Speaker 3: Obviously they got a different coaching staff. Now that's similar
Speaker 3: to the scheme that we played in New York, you know.
Speaker 3: You know, so when I got when the Jets called
Speaker 3: me Bro, it was just it was a blessing. Man,
Speaker 3: it was a blessing. That's where I wanted it to be.
Speaker 3: Obviously I got the name SAW, so my marketing people
Speaker 3: was already they were like, oh, yes, yes, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But with a football perspective, you know, because that's the
Speaker 1: main thing.
Speaker 3: You know, I was blessed to be able to, you know,
Speaker 3: come to New York, and you know, I'm still blessed
Speaker 3: to be able to be playing well.
Speaker 1: Tell telling people some stuff.
Speaker 2: They know, you know what I mean, because you know,
Speaker 2: you know, New York market is crazy, the media is crazy,
Speaker 2: as you've experience for the last two years, the good
Speaker 2: and the bad. Talk about how how this journey has
Speaker 2: affected you, your family, you know what I mean, who
Speaker 2: you brought with you, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I know this has been a blessing for your family,
Speaker 2: But just talk about how the impact that you've been
Speaker 2: able to have.
Speaker 1: Man, it's a blessing. Man.
Speaker 3: The area I come from, I think it's the most
Speaker 3: dangerous part of Detroit, you know.
Speaker 1: So for me to be able to.
Speaker 3: Just move my my mom out the hood, you know,
Speaker 3: and the stuff that I've seen growing up is like
Speaker 3: stuff that a lot of people my age during that
Speaker 3: time wouldn't have seen. So it's just all things that
Speaker 3: motivate me and all things that I consider my why so,
Speaker 3: just to be able to move my immediate family out
Speaker 3: of the hood and stop all the stuff that they
Speaker 3: was going through, you know, it's a blessing. And to
Speaker 3: be able to come to New York, you know, it's
Speaker 3: a blessing because the fan base they've welcomed.
Speaker 1: Me with Oprah arms.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's gonna be some good and it's some bad,
Speaker 3: especially like and I mean it's an the most humble
Speaker 3: way is possible, you know, especially when you coming in
Speaker 3: the league and you have as much success that I've
Speaker 3: had in New York.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like people be waiting to see
Speaker 1: you not have your best game.
Speaker 3: So what I've learned is like, obviously every game that
Speaker 3: I play is not going to be the greatest, you know,
Speaker 3: but I don't think I really have like horrible, horrible games.
Speaker 3: It'd be like all right, cool, I played decent this game,
Speaker 3: But my decent games they look at it is like
Speaker 3: I played horrible, right, But if it's somebody that's not
Speaker 3: in the New York market, it's like my decent game
Speaker 3: would be like a pretty good game for the person
Speaker 3: who's not in the New York market, you know. So
Speaker 3: that's what this year has made me understand, because obviously,
Speaker 3: if we were winning, it wouldn't be a huge deal.
Speaker 3: But you got when we're not winning as much, you know,
Speaker 3: it's an extra emphasis on everybody, you know, especially when
Speaker 3: you have these diehard Jets fans who were like they've
Speaker 3: been waiting for us to make the playoffs for the longest,
Speaker 3: They've been waiting for us to win the super Bowl
Speaker 3: for the longest. So I understand, you know, I understand
Speaker 3: where it all comes from.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, I mean, look, if anybody feels you
Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't in a New York market, but
Speaker 2: I had a lot of spotlight on me and our team,
Speaker 2: you know, because the success we had and leading the boom,
Speaker 2: and I just talked the most shit, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm talking cash out there, like I'm not
Speaker 2: really feeling all this nonsense they talking about.
Speaker 1: And so you know, every game they want you to fail.
Speaker 2: I god, damn, have an eight pick season my second
Speaker 2: year I'm all pro. They tell me I'm a bum.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I got eight books. I didn't shut down
Speaker 2: everybody y'all put in front of me. And y'all then
Speaker 2: the next year, I lead the league in picks, another
Speaker 2: eight picks, We win the Super Bowl, number one defense
Speaker 2: in the world, up for Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2: They still talking, he's slow. It's the scheme. It's this,
Speaker 2: I said, Why ain't nobody else getting eight books in
Speaker 2: the scheme? Exactly why there's so many people running this scheme.
Speaker 2: It ain't nobody else having it's kind of success. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm one of them. And then the next year, you know,
Speaker 2: all Pro, and they're still you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So after a while you got to sit there and
Speaker 2: be like, man, maybe people just want to hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeh.
Speaker 2: They look for you to have one bad play if
Speaker 2: I give up a catch. I gave up a slant
Speaker 2: one time to Keenan Allen. I never forget it. It
Speaker 2: was the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen season, and I mean,
Speaker 2: when I tell you, it was plastered all over ESPN.
Speaker 2: This is a slant and I'm dead tired. It's one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty. It's like the twelfth player to drive.
Speaker 2: I'm dead out there. I ain't gonna lie. And it's
Speaker 2: like he just came off the sideline. I just ran
Speaker 2: a gold round. I'm like breathing, and so he outside
Speaker 2: released me. So you know, I go for the fade
Speaker 2: and then he's running slant. I just head whip it
Speaker 2: and I'm just like get him to the ground, like
Speaker 2: I'm tired. You know, hey boy, they got that plastered everywhere.
Speaker 2: He's exposed, like they exposed and they finally showed everybody
Speaker 2: he can't play.
Speaker 1: I said a slant. Yeah, Like y'all got to be
Speaker 1: getting me. Man.
Speaker 3: I feel like I think that they don't know what
Speaker 3: we like, what it took for us to get there,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's like they don't understand and you
Speaker 3: have to think about the whole other side where it's
Speaker 3: like people really betting on the games, so it's like
Speaker 3: a lot of the anger be from that, you know.
Speaker 3: So it took me a minute the process, Like, bro,
Speaker 3: I mean I get I just missed the tackle that
Speaker 3: went for like five six yards, but like this.
Speaker 1: Is the end of the world, Like what do we like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? I play corner.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying corners only need to cover because I
Speaker 3: used to say that a lot corners covered, but like
Speaker 3: a complete corner is the best corner thousand percent.
Speaker 1: But as a corner, matter of fact, not even just
Speaker 1: a corner.
Speaker 3: As a defender, you gonna misscackles every now and then
Speaker 3: you go, that's just what That's just what it is,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Back linebackers, d lineman, corner safeties,
Speaker 3: everybody gonn miss tacles that you know at some point,
Speaker 3: you know, so that is what it is. But you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes I feel like they think we robots, like you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you're totally right.
Speaker 2: They have unrealistic expectations, like there are miss tackles where
Speaker 2: you're like, man, I'm but one thing I'll say is
Speaker 2: like y'all don't care more than we can, you know what.
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they don't care more than you care. Bro,
Speaker 1: I had a tackle I had to tackle.
Speaker 3: I had to tackle that I missed against the Texans,
Speaker 3: they threw the flat route.
Speaker 1: I'll go low.
Speaker 3: Quincy bumping to me because he's going for the tackle
Speaker 3: as well. So I bounced off of him and I
Speaker 3: bounce off my shorts. They say I watched a TV copy.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, man, this is something that they're saying
Speaker 3: that he has to improve. Obviously, I want to improve
Speaker 3: in everything. But it wasn't like I just ran up
Speaker 3: to him and just missed the tackle. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. It's just, yeah, it's just stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I don't really pay attention to it no more. But
Speaker 3: it's just stuff like that where it's like, what are
Speaker 3: we What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: It's just something to talk about, Like they gonna pick
Speaker 2: your game part, They're gonna, they're gonna. They always kept saying,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, even when I'm having crazy
Speaker 2: two sets, They're like, yeah, but he's slow. I'm like,
Speaker 2: y'all really think I'm out here picking every goal route
Speaker 2: that's out there, and I'm slow, like y'all, y'all, like
Speaker 2: y'all gotta be on drug. Y'all think the receiver running
Speaker 2: four three and I'm just out here running four six
Speaker 2: and I'm just the same speed as him going up
Speaker 2: catch the ball, bringing it down and it just be nonsense.
Speaker 2: And so you gotta understand. You got to keep the
Speaker 2: main thing the main thing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: get better with what you can, get better at, work
Speaker 2: on your craft, and keep just challenging yourself because nobody
Speaker 2: wants it better than more than you. Nobody has higher
Speaker 2: expectations for yourself than you do.
Speaker 1: And Bro, it had been, it had been days where
Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep.
Speaker 3: I'm giving up a twenty yard past and that's my
Speaker 3: only completion and that's my only reception of the.
Speaker 1: Day allowed on me. Bro, Just like, Bro, I really
Speaker 1: could I could have. I really should have.
Speaker 3: I'm my biggest credit. Y'all don't gotta Hey, I wanted
Speaker 3: I wanted the baddest. My coach don't want it more
Speaker 3: than me. Y'all don't want to. So just like you said, Bro,
Speaker 3: like I'll really be having them days where it's like, Bro,
Speaker 3: I'm over I over critique myself, you know what I'm mean?
Speaker 1: That's just right I am.
Speaker 2: And And they sometimes let the results like dictate they feelings,
Speaker 2: like like when I'm playing well, I'm preparing well. When
Speaker 2: I didn't play well, still prepared well. I guarantee you
Speaker 2: I still put the time in, put the work in,
Speaker 2: put the energy in. I gave it everything I had.
Speaker 2: They just had a better day than me. That happens.
Speaker 2: I'm a human being, Like I might have stumbled on this,
Speaker 2: I might have saw something different than what it was,
Speaker 2: but I guarantee you, I still put the work in
Speaker 2: to get there. You're like, it's gonna work out for you.
Speaker 2: You stay with that formula, brother, it's gonna work out
Speaker 2: exactly like it's opposed to. And it's gonna work out
Speaker 2: like that for the team. Sometimes it's just being able
Speaker 2: to have that mindset and allow other people around you
Speaker 2: to elevate too. It's hard because we play corner, so
Speaker 2: corner is such an individual. Like I'm in this world,
Speaker 2: y'all don't understand. I got a lot of space and
Speaker 2: a lot of great athletes I gotta.
Speaker 1: Deal with all day exactly.
Speaker 2: But in order to be a great defense and a
Speaker 2: great team, and y'all have been a great defense. But
Speaker 2: since you've been there, you know, with Salah, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about Salah in a little while, but you
Speaker 2: just got to keep encouraging each other. And it's a
Speaker 2: lot of what Davante's talking about when he came in.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's when in culture it's about celebrating. Like if you
Speaker 2: start practices, you think we were crazed dogs and we
Speaker 2: on the sideline. You you sitting there looking at all
Speaker 2: pros on the sideline getting super hyped for this practice.
Speaker 2: Squad kid make batting the past down and you're like, bro,
Speaker 2: who's this day getting excited for? Is he been gonna
Speaker 2: make the team? It's like, it ain't about him making
Speaker 2: the team. It's about us celebrating everybody's success. Like I
Speaker 2: care about him winning. We worked hard, he in the
Speaker 2: film room, we in a film room winning. We see
Speaker 2: how how hard he working, how much better he's gotten,
Speaker 2: and we want him to show, want to show how
Speaker 2: much we care that he's out there putting the work
Speaker 2: and he's having success. And when you do that on
Speaker 2: a big scheme, everybody feels like they matter. Everybody's putting
Speaker 2: in the work. So then everybody wants to say put
Speaker 2: the same effort in that you're putting in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel that. Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But talk to me about Salad because you you
Speaker 2: talked about playing for Salah and obviously you've been playing
Speaker 2: for Brick the whole year and and you know he's
Speaker 2: been your coordinator.
Speaker 1: That move just seemed crazy. I talked to DJ about it.
Speaker 2: He seemed to be like, call off guard by it,
Speaker 2: and just you know, it just was unexpected, not you know,
Speaker 2: you guys don't have any control over what happens and
Speaker 2: who gets hired and fired, but talk about your mindset.
Speaker 1: When that happened and I.
Speaker 3: Was shot, you know, I wasn't on Twitter, uh during
Speaker 3: that time. So my agent just text me. He was like,
Speaker 3: how you feel about the news, And I didn't even
Speaker 3: know what he was talking about. I just asked him, like,
Speaker 3: is it bad bad news? Like or is it just
Speaker 3: bad news? It's like bad bad news. And I just
Speaker 3: typed in the New York Jets and that's all I
Speaker 3: could see. That's all I could see on Google Bro.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, man, it's crazy. Wouldn't expecting it because
Speaker 3: our record wasn't even that bad at the time, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I don't remember what it was,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't and three. Yeah, it was two and three,
Speaker 3: So you know, it kind of kind of caught me
Speaker 3: off guard.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I remember I text him, told him I love him,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate him because he he really was a
Speaker 3: huge reason why my family life shames, you know.
Speaker 1: So you know, we still talk. You know. He called
Speaker 1: me the other the other which was it like a
Speaker 1: week ago, a week some change ago, and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: make sure y'all out there having fun. Man, I see
Speaker 1: all of Hey.
Speaker 3: It looks like y'all not having as much fun right now.
Speaker 3: Make sure y'all celebrating everything. I'm like, you're right, coach,
Speaker 3: you know, And it starts with me. Let me make
Speaker 3: sure I'm not making this just feel like a job.
Speaker 3: Let me make sure that I'm treating this like it's
Speaker 3: my passion, because it's really what it is is this
Speaker 3: is my life. And you know, I addressed that with
Speaker 3: the defense, and you know, I feel like we all
Speaker 3: took them to it's a matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I respect that he wants he still wants
Speaker 2: y'all team to do well, you know, And that's all
Speaker 2: he keeps when I talk to him. He's like, bro,
Speaker 2: I want him to make the playoffs. I want I
Speaker 2: want to see my guys have success. They earned it,
Speaker 2: they deserve it, you know. And and that's hard, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because I'm a spiteful kind of dude.
Speaker 1: So you you you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: don't think it has anything to.
Speaker 2: Do with y'all, but the owner doing that to me
Speaker 2: as a person personally, i'd be like, man for all that,
Speaker 2: I'm done with all this, you know. But y'alla ain't
Speaker 2: that kind of guy. You know, he's still like he's
Speaker 2: hurt by that. You know, he thinks he should have
Speaker 2: been given an opportunity to have a full you know,
Speaker 2: seven team games with airing at the helm and his guys,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, let him see that it
Speaker 2: ain't gonna work, or it is gonna work. I think
Speaker 2: y'all still got a great team, just when it comes
Speaker 2: to defense, like even missing tackles, like when you swarm,
Speaker 2: it don't matter, like everybody gets there, then nobody even
Speaker 2: noticed you missed the tackle because the next person hitting
Speaker 2: him up half a second later. And so miss tackles
Speaker 2: only show up when the effort of everybody isn't there.
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about your staff, monsters, Because it
Speaker 2: looked like Quinn be all over the place like project roaches,
Speaker 2: and so does Quincy and so does CJ when he's
Speaker 2: out there, and the d line. But it has to
Speaker 2: be like habits in practice, Like every single play, we
Speaker 2: only out there three faux plays before they rotate the
Speaker 2: twoes in. So it's like, for three fold plays, can
Speaker 2: everybody get to the ball, Like even backside corner, can
Speaker 2: you just come tag off? Even if you tagging off
Speaker 2: right as he goes into the huddle? Fuck it Like
Speaker 2: it's a mentality. It's a mindset every single time. So
Speaker 2: then when we get out there on game, like it's given,
Speaker 2: like you don't even have a choice. Your body just
Speaker 2: starts going. You're like, man, what my dope, Mama still
Speaker 2: running all the way over there, they already tackling. But
Speaker 2: when it becomes happened, you start running, you start having fun,
Speaker 2: and you start hitting people, and you start like you
Speaker 2: start swarming, and people don't want to go play with you.
Speaker 3: Right right now, I feel like I feel like I
Speaker 3: definitely feel like when you run into the ball, that's
Speaker 3: when it starts like having fun out there, like because
Speaker 3: you sacrificing your energy for the man next to you.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm speaking on behalf of Like if you
Speaker 1: the backside corner, are you gonna make the play?
Speaker 3: Probably not, but you never know. You never know what's happens.
Speaker 3: So you know, that's just one of those things where
Speaker 3: it's like, man, we all got to be swarming. Like
Speaker 3: you said, if everybody swarming, somebody miss a tackle, getting
Speaker 3: cleaned up right right now. But we're like, if it's
Speaker 3: not no effort, then he gonna miss it. If somebody
Speaker 3: miss a tackle gain another team yards, then it's like,
Speaker 3: such a sens has to make that play.
Speaker 1: Such sess has to make that tackle.
Speaker 3: What is he doing when it's so much it's a
Speaker 3: team sport, getting into team, eat off, run it to
Speaker 3: the ball, all of that, all of that, and it
Speaker 3: takes everybody, and a rising tide lifts all ships.
Speaker 2: If everybody's swarming, everybody looks good, everybody, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's looking like they're missing tackles. It just
Speaker 2: looks like, damn, this New York just defense is all
Speaker 2: over the place like what has gotten into them? Like
Speaker 2: they craized dogs. And a lot of times that's used
Speaker 2: to be how we work, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Because and I give Earl Thomas a lot of credit,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, we had a lot of
Speaker 2: talent on this defense. But when you talk about practice
Speaker 2: a tone Cetter at practice. That boy is full speed
Speaker 2: and walk through practice. I don't give a damn if
Speaker 2: we in a hotel ballroom like full speed. If you
Speaker 2: don't want even to go full speed, take him out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so if he going at that pace, we must
Speaker 2: go at that pace. So it ain't no choice. It
Speaker 2: ain't know, like, man, we're gonna go. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: go this what pace we going today? Ain't nobody ain't
Speaker 2: no question. And then the offense just has to deal
Speaker 2: with what we have to deal with because they're like,
Speaker 2: we already know these boys. Is like, coach, don't put
Speaker 2: the ones against the ones. You already know what these
Speaker 2: dudes are on. Man, just put the tools out there.
Speaker 2: Even feel like dealing with him, Yeah, yeah, now.
Speaker 1: I feel that it's crazy. I was about to take bro.
Speaker 1: I've seen him player with Earl Thomas. He was in
Speaker 1: he was in a post. He was in a post.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: The aint ran like a screen. He was the first
Speaker 3: person to make them play on the screen. Like, I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 3: how I to keep rolling the back were watching this
Speaker 3: in the mid of the bed room.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. I'm like, oh yeah, he different And
Speaker 1: he was the middlefield post safety us.
Speaker 2: Yes, like because his like in his brain, like he
Speaker 2: watching so much film, so when he sees what he's
Speaker 2: supposed to see like us play developing, like he know,
Speaker 2: he trusts, like what you were talking about, Like no hesitation,
Speaker 2: no doubt, no nothing, like he's trusting. I've watched fifty
Speaker 2: hours of tape on his team, like I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: going yeah. And so when you got five six dudes
Speaker 2: out there, all just we locked in, we communicating everything.
Speaker 2: So it's like even if he wrong, we're gonna cover it.
Speaker 2: Like we're gonna get we're gonna get back, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna get to play dead it.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: If if you're wrong, he didn't got a rough end
Speaker 2: the pass or call out the middle of the field. Bro,
Speaker 2: it was crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Bro, he's the best. He's the best to
Speaker 1: do it. Bro. And you know I gotta say that
Speaker 1: because he I played with him and I saw him
Speaker 1: every day. I feel that. But but I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of your game. Brother. I loved you when you
Speaker 1: when you came in.
Speaker 2: I loved you, know the all pros and all that,
Speaker 2: but I loved your press, your footwork, Obviously I talked
Speaker 2: to Salad all.
Speaker 1: The time, and you know what I mean, I talk
Speaker 1: to you as much as I could.
Speaker 2: When you know, he asked me to call you and
Speaker 2: give you my two cents or I try to text
Speaker 2: you and give my two cents, because he just wanted
Speaker 2: the best for you. But if you got any questions
Speaker 2: for me or anything you want to ask me, man,
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 3: Man, We're gonna stay in touch like you, Like you said,
Speaker 3: solid definitely want it was best with me, Bro, And
Speaker 3: I appreciate you for you know, always hitting me up
Speaker 3: when you could tell me give me some tipts, Bro,
Speaker 3: because it definitely helped me.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: Definitely, No matter how how big I get all pros,
Speaker 3: pro bos, none of that, Bro, Like, I'm always gonna
Speaker 3: be a sponge, you know, always gonna be willing to
Speaker 3: line you know what I'm saying, never gonna get the
Speaker 3: big heads.
Speaker 1: So no, I definitely appreciate that. No, I appreciate you, man.
Speaker 1: It's you. You've been incredible and obviously starting as fast
Speaker 1: as you did.
Speaker 2: Just keep on doing what you're doing, stay humble, love
Speaker 2: on your family and and stay on the Grindstone, and
Speaker 2: like I told you, just don't let these people get
Speaker 2: to you and get you out of character. The same
Speaker 2: thing I told you the other day is because that's
Speaker 2: all they waiting for. They waiting for you to get
Speaker 2: out of character, to be like just like they waiting
Speaker 2: for you to make a mistake and get beat on
Speaker 2: the play, you know, so they could say I told
Speaker 2: you so.
Speaker 1: I told you you wasn't like that. I told you
Speaker 1: just a kid from Detroit. He just that.
Speaker 2: That's just that Detroit. And I mean we knew it
Speaker 2: the whole time. We just was waiting for it to
Speaker 2: show up exactly. Just keep you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: you're pros pro you You've handled everything beautifully. You've handled
Speaker 2: the start of your career incredibly. Just keep on keeping on, man,
Speaker 2: and keep and keep my boy DJ Reid humble and
Speaker 2: get them snacks, them rookies.
Speaker 1: Gonna get oh bro speaking to that. No, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, DJ DJ bro like here, cool here, cool back.
Speaker 1: He definitely ain't how you was.
Speaker 3: I heard some stories about you with them snacks man,
Speaker 3: But man, DJ DJ been doing this thing this year.
Speaker 1: Bro. He definitely a guy that I always watched.
Speaker 3: We always picking each other's brains, Bro, So it's great
Speaker 3: being in the same room as him. Speaking of a snack,
Speaker 3: the snacks we got Quanta stickers, right, Quanti STI. I
Speaker 3: can't even call him his nickname, man. So we still
Speaker 3: ain't got no snacks, oh, he say? He say, Man,
Speaker 3: we got the Thursday night game. DJ like, Bro, where
Speaker 3: the snack?
Speaker 1: Say DJ? If you on his bad side, it's something
Speaker 1: that you did wrong. You know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: just how he is.
Speaker 3: Like. He ain't got no ego, he ain't got like
Speaker 3: he he hell a cool. So still say, uh, nah, Bro,
Speaker 3: we got we got three he said. He said like this, Nah, Bro,
Speaker 3: we got three days off at the Thursday night game.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm gonna just wait till we get back,
Speaker 3: like what, But then we're like all right, cool gool coole.
Speaker 3: We get back yesterday, which is Monday. The snacks still
Speaker 3: out there, he say, BRO went out of time.
Speaker 1: Bro. I'll have one back on home, BRO. So how
Speaker 1: do we DJ said, don't he said, don't worry. Aboudy
Speaker 1: and Ricky Dinner gonna be a movie. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a movie.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be silly, silly, dun't see y'all better than me,
Speaker 2: because because we used to get the cars told and stuff.
Speaker 1: Like that, like one falls and.
Speaker 2: All of it rolls like everything right like, and they
Speaker 2: don't uite get mad. Ain't no fighting, y'all, ain't gonna
Speaker 2: fight me over this. Like, be a rookie and do
Speaker 2: the simple stuff we're asking. Are there's consequences, And I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna get your car told somewhere where you can't
Speaker 2: find it, and then I'm gonna we're gonna be done
Speaker 2: with it. Go go walk seven miles. It's at the
Speaker 2: store right over there, and then next time you'll have
Speaker 2: my snacks. Man, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta take
Speaker 2: that one. I ain't even know.
Speaker 1: I ain't even know you could do that. Okay, you
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Talk to the security, get the gate open, Hey, toe truck,
Speaker 2: is this car right here, put it on the truck.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take it right here to this safe area.
Speaker 2: And he walking home to day, Like, go ahead and
Speaker 2: walk and get it, and next time you give me
Speaker 2: my snacks and we don't.
Speaker 1: Have no problem. All right. I'm stealing that one. I'm
Speaker 1: stealing that one. I'm gonna let him know ahead of
Speaker 1: time too.
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, is either you gonna get the snacks or
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, you gotta walk to your car.
Speaker 2: The coldest thing I ever heard of a vet doing
Speaker 2: to a rook is as Jared Allen. They said, Jared
Speaker 2: Allen got a barn built around a dual car. They
Speaker 2: got his because I guess they had a field across
Speaker 2: from the facility. And they said he told the car
Speaker 2: to the field and had them build a barn around
Speaker 2: it and thought.
Speaker 1: His car was stolen for like a week. What that's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, Bro, Yes, sick, yeah, Bro, Bro, I love
Speaker 1: DJ Man. He's a good dude. He's a good human being.
Speaker 3: He's a human I've never seen him mad until the
Speaker 3: snack situation. I've never seen him mad until this year,
Speaker 3: right situation. Right, that's kind of crazy, brus So I
Speaker 3: tell him, I'm like, Bro, I ain't never seen DJ Man.
Speaker 1: So if he mad, you can't keep making.
Speaker 3: Excuses, bro, like you because my rookiear they helped me
Speaker 3: pay for my rookie dinner.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 3: I had a situation where I said, Bro, this is
Speaker 3: all I'm at this I tried to keep it a hundred,
Speaker 3: like I try to be like, Bro, this is.
Speaker 1: All I asks, Bro, just don't get to buy hell
Speaker 1: of stuff that y'all ain't gonna eat.
Speaker 3: Bro. I feel like I got the respect. I feel
Speaker 3: like we got the mutual respect where it's like we're
Speaker 3: gonna be We're gonna be respectful for this dinner. So basically,
Speaker 3: if y'all want to get food that y'all can eat
Speaker 3: for a few days, go ahead. If y'all want to
Speaker 3: get some drinks that y'all have with you, but don't
Speaker 3: just get stuff and just leave it on the table.
Speaker 3: Like I don't heard all type of rookie dinners where
Speaker 3: people just get hell and stuff and just leave it
Speaker 3: on the table. They ain't even gonna touch it. But
Speaker 3: with me, it wasn't even events and the players that
Speaker 3: tried to get over on me. It was the restaurant. Oh,
Speaker 3: the restaurant was bringing flashes in for five k apiece
Speaker 3: were just looking like, hold on, I get the bill.
Speaker 3: It's said like twenty some thousands. I'm like, I ain't
Speaker 3: gonna lie, Bro. You know you know we like in Bro,
Speaker 3: I ain't gona lie.
Speaker 1: I can't pay this y'all. It ain't even off the strimp.
Speaker 3: But like y'all like a lot of this and stuff,
Speaker 3: y'all didn't even eat, or a lot of y'all didn't
Speaker 3: even order. Like only one person ordered some food and
Speaker 3: it was Michael Carter. Everybody else is sitting there and
Speaker 3: they just eating it. But they not understanding, like these
Speaker 3: people trying to get over on it. So they see
Speaker 3: the bill, like hold on because they tried to look
Speaker 3: out like they ain't trying to do no right. They
Speaker 3: wasn't trying to kill you. They weren't trying to kill me.
Speaker 3: So I ended up paying. They're like ten you know,
Speaker 3: other people just throwing there like a thousand, just like
Speaker 3: some little calm thousand and we got the bill pay.
Speaker 1: But I said, like, we can't go there no more,
Speaker 1: like no rooge, I wouldn't even want.
Speaker 3: To do that to the like even stick even though
Speaker 3: even though he doing what he doing with the snacks,
Speaker 3: Like we.
Speaker 1: Got to get it in a different way, like yo,
Speaker 1: y'all gotta get it even if we try to get
Speaker 1: over on them and hit them over the head a
Speaker 1: little bit. Us.
Speaker 3: Plus the restaurant, the yeah, don't kidding like that That's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, man. So you know, we we definitely
Speaker 3: gotta something, gotta give some gotta for sure. Man, every
Speaker 3: rookie dinner we had, we never had. No nobody drafted, hired,
Speaker 3: and then third, I don't think. And then that was
Speaker 3: like my last year, we had a third round pick.
Speaker 3: I think we had Shaq Griffin went third, and anytime
Speaker 3: I just didn't feel right killing them. We just messed
Speaker 3: with him, you know, I mean, we act, we order
Speaker 3: an you know what I mean, all this other nonsense.
Speaker 3: We'll order big steaks, bill will come out to like
Speaker 3: four grand or something. We'll probably play pay half of
Speaker 3: it and let them pay two grand or something. We
Speaker 3: ain't killing them doing crazy. Feel like that's how it
Speaker 3: should be, you know, as long as the rookie doing
Speaker 3: what he's supposed.
Speaker 2: To do, you know, right, have my snacks or or
Speaker 2: get ignorant. If you don't have a snack, then it
Speaker 2: gets different. But also, I want to talk to you
Speaker 2: off these py calls and holding calls. Don't say nothing
Speaker 2: because I don't want you to get fined. It's been
Speaker 2: some god damn bull crap. And I just said it.
Speaker 2: When DJ was on here, there was like two or
Speaker 2: three games. That Buffalo game was silly. That Buffalo game,
Speaker 2: I said, Hey, this is the first time I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say they cheating these boys.
Speaker 1: Now, if you look.
Speaker 3: Around the league, like you, if you look around the league,
Speaker 3: you will see, like everybody probably got more PI calls
Speaker 3: than they've had they I know, me, I think now
Speaker 3: it's I haven't seen it, but I have more than
Speaker 3: I've had the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Because we were talking about it in my me room.
Speaker 1: I think DJ, dude, I think bro.
Speaker 3: Really everybody you could think of it, you know. So,
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of the concepts look the same.
Speaker 3: A lot of the corners try to play it the same,
Speaker 3: even if they have different bills. Like so, it's like
Speaker 3: I see the same stuff, same concepts, the same hip slips,
Speaker 3: the sameeness and that same day. And it's like sometimes
Speaker 3: you see it get called sometimes don't. Like I remember, like, uh,
Speaker 3: it was a play on we was playing the Patriots
Speaker 3: and Gonzales. He grabbed devonce arm a little bit and
Speaker 3: they didn't call a piare or holding or nothing like that.
Speaker 3: Me as a corner, I'm like, he's just playing physical.
Speaker 3: That's how I look at it. As a corner, so like, hey,
Speaker 3: if you throw the penalty, he was playing physical. If
Speaker 3: you don't throw the penalty, he was playing piscical.
Speaker 1: It just is who it is.
Speaker 3: And then the other one, they called another one and
Speaker 3: it was his great defense, like he didn't grab him,
Speaker 3: none of that, but they called it. But I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, the rest aren't human. So I feel like
Speaker 3: sometimes they might call it a flag if they feel
Speaker 3: like they probably missed it previously. Like they might call
Speaker 3: a close one, So say, if it's if it's a
Speaker 3: blatant one, dang, I.
Speaker 1: Ain't call that one.
Speaker 3: If it's one that's a little close or could possibly be,
Speaker 3: they gonna.
Speaker 1: Throw that one. You know what I'm saying. This is
Speaker 1: your third year in the league, right, I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you some some game that I got
Speaker 2: as a rookie, and it's gonna sound crazy, and maybe
Speaker 2: you don't use it.
Speaker 1: Every week.
Speaker 2: They have that you get that sheet with everybody's name
Speaker 2: on it and all that in your locker. Right, they
Speaker 2: also have a sheet with every referee name on it.
Speaker 2: Does Brick or chiltte ever go over there with y'all.
Speaker 2: We've been we've been going we started. We started going
Speaker 2: over it after Minnesota game. Because Minnesota game.
Speaker 1: I had bro They hit me for every penalty it
Speaker 1: was to hit me for.
Speaker 3: I got here with a defensive holder, I got here
Speaker 3: with a illegal contact, and I got here with a
Speaker 3: PR and.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 1: Well all three of the balls was uncatchable. One of them.
Speaker 3: I was just like this, this is like different because
Speaker 3: it was a little fadure out. I'm chest to chest
Speaker 3: looking back for the ball. The ball was strong all
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 1: Out of bounds, and they called you. I remember that.
Speaker 3: I was just like, I go back, I go back
Speaker 3: to solond I'm like, solid, t o, how do I
Speaker 3: play the back shoulder if it's not Chess's chests looking
Speaker 3: through the man looking back for the ball.
Speaker 1: Salad come up to me, like, play your game, keep
Speaker 1: playing your game.
Speaker 3: So I'm like to hear that from a coacause when
Speaker 3: you get them pilloties, you're thinking like, damn, I'm hurting
Speaker 3: the team.
Speaker 1: Hey I just did this. Hey I just when you
Speaker 1: heard the coach say that, he realassure you.
Speaker 3: Like, all right, let me just keep doing what I'm
Speaker 3: doing because they probably understanding where I'm coming from, right, you.
Speaker 1: Know, So just to be able to hear that that
Speaker 1: was that's cool. That's one thing that Sala always did.
Speaker 3: If I was tripping on something, Sala gonna tell me, hey,
Speaker 3: you tripping, Hey do this better, Hey, you can do
Speaker 3: this better. And every time it was always off of like,
Speaker 3: I know he said it out of love. I know
Speaker 3: he's saying it because he wont was best for me,
Speaker 3: because he won, was best for the team. If he
Speaker 3: ever told me, like, keep playing your game, then I know, like,
Speaker 3: all right, he understanding the lives.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, cool, That's what I'm gonna do. Right. So
Speaker 1: that's just how I've handled it. Man.
Speaker 3: I don't never try to snap on the rests. I
Speaker 3: don't ever try to, you know, just say certain things.
Speaker 3: It's just you got receivers right now that will be
Speaker 3: running their route, mere route. They leaning up against you.
Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, you leaning up against me. You
Speaker 3: run an inside release, some outside levers right on your outside.
Speaker 3: You're leaning up against me. Am I supposed to just
Speaker 3: do this? Or am I supposed to stay latched like this?
Speaker 1: Hands low? Okay? Cool? But bro, it's just a little different.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: It's look, look, they got DJ for something.
Speaker 2: I taught him as a rookie, and I felt so
Speaker 2: sick about it because I taught him like if somebody pushed,
Speaker 2: like keep the arm and make them one hand, put
Speaker 2: you on sports center, pull through and go for it.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be like, hey, I got that arm
Speaker 1: pulled through, reach put your other arm and go for it.
Speaker 2: And so he did it, and they called it, and
Speaker 2: I said, bro, they never and there's no way he
Speaker 2: could have saw it because you looking from there the
Speaker 2: receivers back to you.
Speaker 1: He grabbing this on there's no way you throwing out.
Speaker 3: But another thing on that play, he didn't even reach
Speaker 3: and pool and accelerate, like he just had his arm
Speaker 3: and was running like DJ is still running his normal
Speaker 3: speed and just had his arm, like he didn't try
Speaker 3: to like do what you said, like pool and accelerate,
Speaker 3: because you got to think the receiver could have possibly
Speaker 3: flopped it stuff if he did that. He just ran
Speaker 3: and the receiver just doing like I think he's talking
Speaker 3: about the Bills game, but I think I think he's
Speaker 3: had got that one called yeah, because he got that
Speaker 3: one called against New England Thornton and against Buffalo, both
Speaker 3: of the same ones where it's like, is the ball catchable? No?
Speaker 1: Is he slowing his speed down? Lo, the receiver's arm
Speaker 1: is out.
Speaker 3: Is he just gonna run and just be like blocked
Speaker 3: off by the hand and just be running into his hand? No?
Speaker 1: So what he is he gonna do? Grab the arm?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: But Bro, the one Jefferson he ran that outer that
Speaker 2: seven cut on DJ and tried to brush off and DJ, great.
Speaker 1: D great defense, great defense. If it's something crazy. If
Speaker 1: it's something bro, this is how it's up. Bro, if
Speaker 1: it's a.
Speaker 3: Crazy PI or crazy holding, we literally be like, nah,
Speaker 3: that's you ain't have to do that.
Speaker 1: I didn't had times about it, told DJ, yeah, you
Speaker 1: ain't have to do.
Speaker 3: That right there because you already and it's been time
Speaker 3: with DJ, so you ain't have to do that right
Speaker 3: there because you're in a good position to trust up speed.
Speaker 3: And that tell us us, bro, you hell a fact,
Speaker 3: Like we always we be coaching ourselves. So by the
Speaker 3: time by the time T come up to us, a
Speaker 3: solid couple a brick come up to us to tell
Speaker 3: us like, hey, yeah you ain't we already it went over.
Speaker 3: We're good, coach, were good. We ain't got to worry
Speaker 3: about it. You know, you know, that's just that's the
Speaker 3: chemistry that me and DJ got. But yeah, man, it's
Speaker 3: definitely been rough. Obviously we've been able to watch football
Speaker 3: and just see like these PR calls and each hold
Speaker 3: costs throughout the league has been crazy. But I remember
Speaker 3: that Minnesota game. We think like, bro, is it is
Speaker 3: it us? Like, is these people have to get us?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on?
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like that game, because they might
Speaker 2: have got you like three times in one drive. I
Speaker 2: think it was like two or three times. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, like.
Speaker 3: They got they got me off the they got me
Speaker 3: off the whip off, the whip rout that Addison and
Speaker 3: on even grazed they got me off that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was, I went to the sideline.
Speaker 3: I'm understand like if this is my rookie year, I
Speaker 3: threw a helmet kick some all that, but I'm understanding
Speaker 3: like the effect that I got on everybody else, And
Speaker 3: it's like if I do this, then other people go
Speaker 3: if they get mad, they feel like they're good. All right, SA,
Speaker 3: Calm down, you got a lot of football to be
Speaker 3: a lot of It's a lot of football to be played.
Speaker 3: Calm down, you know, but sometimes you can't get a
Speaker 3: little frustrated, you know, right, But that's growth.
Speaker 1: That's growth showing showing a little growth for your three
Speaker 1: year three growth, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So back to this growth. These reps got names
Speaker 2: and they got families, and they people. They normal people.
Speaker 2: And this is a trick they taught me early on. Bro.
Speaker 1: I would know the names. I would I.
Speaker 2: Would probably either know one fact, because we always had
Speaker 2: this researcher that he just would tell me stuff about
Speaker 2: him because he that's just what do you want to
Speaker 2: call bighead Todd.
Speaker 1: We just he just would help.
Speaker 2: And so like, I don't know if they kids went
Speaker 2: to a certain school or if they went to a
Speaker 2: certain score, are they fans of like Bama or you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Texas saying them and you know
Speaker 2: they lost that week or they won and be like, man,
Speaker 2: I see your Texas ay and m team boy. They
Speaker 2: doing it this year, and it'd be like, man, Josh, Man,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you this year. Like Bro, I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: you get in the game, and I didn't got more
Speaker 2: warnings than anybody come up to you and be like hey, hey, Searan,
Speaker 2: come on, man, I could have got you, right there.
Speaker 1: I appreciate and the ref and.
Speaker 2: The receiver over there, Custody mouth like hey, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: come on now, Hey, don't talk to Jason like that.
Speaker 1: Hey, come on, got to steal that. Come on telling you?
Speaker 1: I know no.
Speaker 3: This is the day that got me though. Were playing Pittsburg.
Speaker 3: Right first drive Van Jefferson, he run like over the
Speaker 3: ball city he pushed, He pushed off.
Speaker 1: Hella. I'm like, come on, ref, come on, ref, George,
Speaker 1: because he running around he pushed off. Hella. I tell
Speaker 1: I talked to the ref. Matter of fact, I talked
Speaker 1: to that ref before the game. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know his name.
Speaker 3: I'm like, ref, just know there's gonna be a physical
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a physical matchup. He like pushing off.
Speaker 3: Reff said, you know who you watched Hilm too. I
Speaker 3: know he's a huge push off guy. We're gonna let
Speaker 3: y'all play. He's talking about me and pickets, pickets.
Speaker 1: Pushing on me.
Speaker 3: I'm looking back for the ball on the goal. I'm
Speaker 3: not disrupted him at all. After the play he called
Speaker 3: a p I I'm like, ref, what did I do?
Speaker 3: Like you're pulling him? You'll stop him?
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 3: I did not pull him at all, like, not even
Speaker 3: a little bit. Like I literally was chested chest and
Speaker 3: I was running like vertical. I wasn't even laaning it
Speaker 3: on him, like I looked.
Speaker 1: I looked through him.
Speaker 3: Then I turned it the last minute hit the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I say, hey, Rev, you tell I looked at him.
Speaker 1: I looked at him.
Speaker 3: He probably bad for me because the way I said that,
Speaker 3: I thought about it, like, did I really say it
Speaker 3: like that?
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, ref, he said, just let us lay today. Iver.
Speaker 1: I know you probably thinking about that, like, damn, I
Speaker 1: feel a little bad. I definitely did say I was
Speaker 1: gonna let them play. But man, that was that was
Speaker 1: one that hurt me. That was the one that hurt
Speaker 1: the heart right there.
Speaker 2: You know right, I'm not gonna tell you it may not,
Speaker 2: it may not do nothing, but just learn that dude name.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you because they got numbers too, so you
Speaker 2: ain't even got it. They got they usually when they
Speaker 2: got the car, they got their faces and everything. But
Speaker 2: if you you only got to know the back judges,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, That that that's down the field.
Speaker 2: You could know the white hat you know what I mean? Easy,
Speaker 2: But know that the judges and just be like instead
Speaker 2: of ref you'd be like, hey, Terrence, Terrence, come on now, hey,
Speaker 2: don't do me like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I got family to feed too, Okay, Like
Speaker 1: you know, I promise you that little bit of human,
Speaker 1: a little bit of him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, make them feel, make them feel. But I'm always
Speaker 3: talking to them though obviously I don't be knowing all
Speaker 3: their names. But bro me, I like interacting with people
Speaker 3: in general, especially people in the football field.
Speaker 1: So like we a lot of them already familiar with
Speaker 1: who I am. And I didn't seen him before, even
Speaker 1: one of the refs.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: One of the refs coached my state championship game in
Speaker 3: high school. Wow, yes, And I don't even know if
Speaker 3: it was just my state championship. He like, he coaching
Speaker 3: Detroit a lot, Bro, So I'll be seeing him already,
Speaker 3: be knowing who he is, you know. So some of
Speaker 3: them I'm more familiar with the others. But I'm definitely
Speaker 3: gonna take that tactic right there. You know, it's a tactic,
Speaker 3: but for real, for it's just being human decency, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, they name man and that's just obviously them
Speaker 3: giving you some graces.
Speaker 1: Just he was gonna come with it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, everybody on the field y'all all grown man.
Speaker 3: So just being able to know their name and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, that's that's cool.
Speaker 2: And give them a little bit more respect, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, shows that Hey, I'm acknowledging that you're
Speaker 2: a human being and you're not just a ref out here.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, You're a person.
Speaker 1: I know your name, you know my name? Yeah, help
Speaker 1: a brother out. Yeah yeah yeah, Like.
Speaker 2: Let me play my game and not you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't need no nonsense if it look,
Speaker 2: if you give me two warnings or one warning, that's
Speaker 2: one less flag I got in this game, one last
Speaker 2: first down, you know, because they'll callt some bs backside
Speaker 2: and it'd be like, bro, he wasn't even looking over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's happened to me before.
Speaker 2: The gun shooters get you out too. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Every great corner, if he ain't been scored on, he
Speaker 2: ain't great. Yeah yeah, because you don't know what you
Speaker 2: are until you get scored on. He'll have a rough
Speaker 2: game and then you gotta respond. Yeah yeah, that is
Speaker 2: it is shrue, ma, But I appreciate you man, I
Speaker 2: don't want to take no more time on you off day.
Speaker 1: We can sit here and talk all day. Man. Good.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun, bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we'll get you back on next time when y'all,
Speaker 2: when y'all make the playoffs this year, y'all make that
Speaker 2: crazy run, and we'll be talking about.
Speaker 1: It, all right, cool, all right, brother. Appreciate you, man,
Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
Speaker 2: The volume