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Speaker 1: I get everybody. I'm Dan Horde, and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The Old Days, Good Times I remember. Addition,

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Speaker 1: as I catch up with four former Bengals, including three

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Speaker 1: who were chosen among the top fifty retired players in

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Speaker 1: team history when the Bengals celebrated their fiftieth season. But

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Speaker 1: we're not looking back. On this edition of the pod,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to David Fulcher, Joe Walter, Jim Breach, and

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Speaker 1: John Jackson about the team's offseason moves and it's immediate future.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to those conversations, here's a quick reminder

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Speaker 1: Another player who is part of the Legends Bobblehead set

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Speaker 1: is safety David Fulcher. I recently caught up with a

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Speaker 1: three time Pro bowler and discussed the contract status of

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Speaker 1: Jesse Bates and why David is happy that some people

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Speaker 1: consider last year's Super Bowl run a fluke. David, what

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Speaker 1: was your reaction to some of the moves the Bengals

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Speaker 1: have made in the offseason. Oh, unbelievable. I think finally,

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Speaker 1: as so many years of watching this franchise kind of

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Speaker 1: of the free agent picks were well overdoing. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: excited just to see Burrow play with somebody up front

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Speaker 1: that that can really protect him. Yeah, they had an

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Speaker 1: obvious need and they went out and signed three free

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Speaker 1: agents to fix it. And that's surprising because we've been

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Speaker 1: that u's couch quarterbacks have been waiting for, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden boom, the Bengals do exactly what we expected,

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Speaker 1: But at least we addressed what we needed. And then

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Speaker 1: in the draft they went heavily on guys that played

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Speaker 1: your position, A couple of safeties and a cornerback. And

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Speaker 1: these guys are all very versatile. You are an extremely

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Speaker 1: you know, and these guys can come and play big

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Speaker 1: as well. Unfortunately, I hate to see Jesse Bates sit

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Speaker 1: But I understand the business part of it and understand

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Speaker 1: They still have until July fifteenth to theoretically extend Jesse Bates.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where that stands. Obviously, Joe Burrows contract

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Speaker 1: Bengals great offensive lineman Joe Walter, the right tackle for

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