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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: Howard Reback as we talk about gambling. What are some

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Speaker 2: of the signs of a problem gambler, Howard that somebody

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Speaker 2: can look at and recognize with a loved one or friend.

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Speaker 3: I like to answer that by saying, it's something like

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Speaker 3: when you fall in love. It's something that you just can't.

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Speaker 4: Get out of your mind.

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Speaker 3: You eat it, you sleep it, you drink it. You

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Speaker 3: think about it all day long, all during your waking hours.

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Speaker 3: You think about how and when you're going to gamble next,

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Speaker 3: Where you're going to gamble next, where the money to

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Speaker 3: gamble next will come from if you don't have it,

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Speaker 3: Stories about telling your friends, your family, or your employer

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Speaker 3: about why you might be missing some time so you

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Speaker 3: can go gamble. It encompasses your life, George. It literally

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Speaker 3: takes over your supposed normal thought process and you just

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Speaker 3: can't shake it. And when you start thinking about gambling

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Speaker 3: all day long, then God knows you have a problem.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's.

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Speaker 3: Pretty much how I lived my life for a couple

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Speaker 3: of years, and in full transparency, and I knew something

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Speaker 3: was wrong, but I just did not stop. It took

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Speaker 3: over my life.

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Speaker 2: Did you pull out yourself or did somebody help you?

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Speaker 3: This is a story. I don't know why I get.

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Speaker 3: I get very very teary when I whenever I'm asked

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Speaker 3: that question. But I suppose it means it's real. I

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Speaker 3: had my family help me, George, And we can digress

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Speaker 3: for a second in full transparency, that my brother, who

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Speaker 3: is everything to me, and of course he's he's listening

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Speaker 3: quietly in his home in Los Angeles, is a friend

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Speaker 3: of yours. And that's how you and I come together.

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Speaker 3: And my brother Billy, along with a few cousins in

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, in conjunction with my ex wife and my folks,

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Speaker 3: had me come to LA and arouse on false pretenses.

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Speaker 3: And of course when I when I got to Los Angeles,

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Speaker 3: the family had an intervention, George. And as they say,

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Speaker 3: the jig was up.

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Speaker 2: They were waiting for you.

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 3: They were waiting for me, and without the bad pun

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Speaker 3: they got me in spades. And they did what they

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Speaker 3: set out to do. And these were professionals, not therapists,

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Speaker 3: but whatever they did, it worked. They could not have

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Speaker 3: done a finer job. I never felt so low in

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Speaker 3: my life, next to a few stories about getting hurt

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Speaker 3: while I was gambling, but that's for another question or

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Speaker 3: another date. And my brother and the family, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: did what they had to do. They called me out

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Speaker 3: on it. If I could say one what one nice

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Speaker 3: thing about myself at that time was I didn't give

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Speaker 3: them any trouble. I didn't put up a fight I

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Speaker 3: was had. They cornered me. But the important thing is George,

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Speaker 3: more than anything, was that the deal with my family

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Speaker 3: was if I was to admit that I had a problem,

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Speaker 3: which I did just about instantly, was they were going

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Speaker 3: to back me up and help me get out of it.

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Speaker 3: But as anybody who went to rehab knows, you have

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Speaker 3: to admit it yourself first and foremost, because if not,

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Speaker 3: nothing else matters. So insummation, I was in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 3: the family was.

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Speaker 4: Waiting for me.

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Speaker 3: They put the puck in the net. They got me

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Speaker 3: to go to rehab. I admitted everything, and I won't

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Speaker 3: say that as they say is history. It was a

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Speaker 3: long and tough journey out, But that's the day it began,

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Speaker 3: and literally and literally it was like yesterday George. But

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Speaker 3: it worked, God knows it worked. They did a yeoman job,

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Speaker 3: they all did. And once again, a very very special

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Speaker 3: thank you to my brother, who I repeat as listening Billy.

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Speaker 3: And without him, I really can't tell you where I'd

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Speaker 3: be right now, George, I really, I really don't know.

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Speaker 2: And he's one of Hollywood's a great scriptwriters.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the best scriptwriter comedian.

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Speaker 3: But to me, his best job is being a brother.

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Speaker 3: He was a great son and a great friend of mine.

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Speaker 4: He stood by anything, and it's he stood by me.

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Speaker 3: And I'm very proud to say that. Although he lives

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Speaker 3: We never let thirty six hours go without speaking to

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Speaker 3: to apologize, which I did. He waited for me to

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Speaker 3: apologize to everybody that had hurt around me, which I did.

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Speaker 3: And I repeat the rest as I say, is history.

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Speaker 3: But it wasn't easy. George, and anybody listening right now

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Speaker 3: to your listeners, anybody going through what I went through

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Speaker 3: before I had help. I beg you, I urge you,

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Speaker 3: I ask you, ever so politely, to put up your hand,

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Speaker 3: speak up, speak out. People do want to help, but

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Speaker 3: you have to either ask for it or be honest.

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Speaker 3: It's not just going to always come to you. I

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Speaker 3: was exceptionally lucky with the family that I had and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how many problem gamblers are in denial?

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Speaker 3: Oh god, I have to say that any problem gambler

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Speaker 3: at the beginning are all in denial. And again I

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Speaker 3: go back to myself in first person, that it's so

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Speaker 3: hard to explain when you're going through a horrific addiction

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Speaker 3: and deep down and I'd like to think that I'm

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Speaker 3: not I mean, I may not be Albert Einstein, but

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Speaker 3: I'm also not the dumbest guy in the block. I

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Speaker 3: had to have known, and I think about this often, George,

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Speaker 3: but somehow that thought process went away and I kept

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Speaker 3: it at work, be it in your bank, account. I

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Speaker 3: think everybody goes through denial until the point when it

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Speaker 3: begins to hurt you. And hurt comes in all different

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Speaker 3: all different ways, right, and when it stops, it begins

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Speaker 3: to alter your life. And Tuesday wasn't the same as Monday,

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Speaker 3: and Monday wasn't the same as Sunday, and your relationship

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Speaker 3: or you are living in denial. Because again, I repeat,

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Speaker 3: I think anybody and everybody must know when they're doing

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Speaker 3: something wrong, and it just takes that that little moment

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Speaker 3: in time, that little moment in time when we finally

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Speaker 3: reached our breaking point. And with me, it was sitting

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Speaker 4: If that makes.

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Speaker 2: Sense, could you go at this point to Vegas, sit

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Speaker 3: One thousand percent. And I'm not saying nine hundred percent,

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Speaker 3: one thousand percent or more. Again, when Billy comes home

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Speaker 3: the old days. It used to take my mom and

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Speaker 3: I sit with Billy. He plays his one hundred bucks

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Speaker 3: or fifty bucks in THEI Kino machine. I have my one,

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Speaker 3: two or three diet cokes. I watch the world go by.

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Speaker 3: I say hello to everybody I know, and I literally

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Speaker 3: and I want to say this very very politely. It's

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Speaker 3: not that I couldn't care less, but I have such

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Speaker 3: a different take on the building that we call the

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Speaker 3: casino than I used to have that it's not remotely

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Speaker 3: it's literally black and white, George, it's not the same.

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Speaker 3: So to answer your question, as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: I've been trying to get to Vegas and meet Billy

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Speaker 3: in Vegas, and maybe this show will will promote us

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Speaker 3: to finally go one of these fine days. I'd love

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Speaker 3: to go, absolutely, but it's very simple. If you're not

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Speaker 3: going to go with a gazillion dollars on you that

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Speaker 3: you can't lose, then there's no harm. Why not? I

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Speaker 3: still love the game of black jack. As a matter

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Speaker 3: of fact, I consult for a lovely, lovely casino. That is,

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Speaker 3: for those of you who may not know. I'm in Montreal, Canada,

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Speaker 3: It's a native casino and I consult for them for

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Speaker 3: this sole reason that the people who run the casino,

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Speaker 3: the general manager and the operation manager. And I'll give

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Speaker 3: a quick shutout to Carl and JF. The guys that

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Speaker 3: And my job is to keep the casino basically clean.

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Speaker 3: If anybody has a problem, I'm there, meaning that I'm

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Families hire me George to watch their partner who might

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Speaker 3: be lying I'm giving a picture. Please see if you

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Speaker 3: can see John at the casino. So I go in

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. So I literally spend more time in

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Speaker 3: completely differently. Obviously it's it's I'm comfortable, but it's a

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Speaker 3: whole different world. The idea of going in, George and

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Speaker 3: I call the old days twenty plus years ago, sickens me,

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Speaker 2: What is it about addictive gambling that happens to people?

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Speaker 2: What are they looking for?

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Speaker 3: I think the average look not the average person. I

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Speaker 3: think the five, six or seven percent, George, that are

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Speaker 3: the addictive gamblers. I think what they're looking at is

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Speaker 3: they want all the money in the building, which is

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Speaker 3: not going to happen unless your steed you win, or

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Speaker 3: you own the casino or you're the operator.

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Speaker 2: And look what happened to good old sleeve.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well exactly that's a whole other story. Absolutely, and

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Speaker 3: it can't be done. You know, people who have the problem.

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Speaker 3: They have forty chips in front of them, George, they

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Speaker 3: want sixty. They have sixty chips in front of them.

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Speaker 4: They want eighty.

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Speaker 3: It's never enough. And there in lies the problem that

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Speaker 3: it's never enough, which goes back to the beginning of

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Speaker 3: our conversation almost fifty minutes ago, about being greedy, about

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Speaker 3: wanting everything everything in moderation. And the problem is, I

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Speaker 3: said before, they have a great marketing team. Most casinos do,

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Speaker 3: and they lure you into the building, which is fine,

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Speaker 3: no different than alcohol companies or celebrities that own tequila companies.

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Speaker 2: Or retail companies trying to get you to buy their products.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's exactly.

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Speaker 3: I bought one thing an Amazon three weeks ago. I

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Speaker 3: still at ninety eight ADS a day, exactly exactly, and

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Speaker 3: that doesn't add in. Good luck to them. That's called marketing,

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Speaker 3: which is a brand new enterprise in the last thirty years.

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Speaker 3: But as far as Gambers are concerned, they want easy money.

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Speaker 3: And the problem is when somebody does win, they think

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Speaker 3: you're really a sick person with a problem. I did.

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Speaker 3: I thought that way. I was in the clothing business.

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Speaker 3: I was a pilot. I did okay, But I figured

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Speaker 3: I could go to the casino and make a month's

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Speaker 3: The problem is I would give it back the next

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Speaker 3: or the end of two days, you're negative. Eventually, as

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Speaker 3: you said before Georgia half an hour ago, Vegas wasn't

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Speaker 3: built on winters n so invariably people give it back.

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Speaker 3: The key is if you can walk into a casino

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Speaker 3: and you know when to leave, and you know when

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Speaker 3: to stop, and you have a budget, and you listen

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Speaker 3: to yourself, you wouldhere to that budget. You don't lie

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Speaker 3: to yourself. You go with two hundred dollars and that

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean you go in with three and you stop.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a terrific way to spend an evening.

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Speaker 3: You can have lots of fun. It's when you lose

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Speaker 3: yourself that's when the trouble begins. And I lost myself

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Speaker 3: and that's when the trouble began. And to answer your

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Speaker 3: Vegas right now and have a great time. Absolutely, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: matter of fact, I will, and I'll have a great time,

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Speaker 3: and I won't be sick, and I won't blow my

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Speaker 3: me again. How's that. That's a promise in front of

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Speaker 3: all your listeners right now? Okay, George.

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Speaker 2: I was there about six months ago and met Wayne Newton,

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Speaker 2: and that was worth the entire trip to me.

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Speaker 3: Howard, he's about three four hundred years old.

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Speaker 4: Now, how old is Wayne Newton?

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Speaker 2: He's up there, he's up there. But it was fun.

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Speaker 4: It was his story.

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Speaker 2: I heard a Sinatra story that he was at the Sands,

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Speaker 2: the casino. Howard Hughes had just bought the casino and

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Speaker 2: And that Frank was sitting at a blackjack table losing,

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Speaker 2: or one hundred thousand dollars on credit, and Howard Hughes

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Speaker 3: One thing you learn when you're in the casino business,

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Speaker 3: never argue or fight with security because.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to win. You're not going to win.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm one hundred and fifty pounds five seven jew

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Speaker 3: from Montreal. It's not a good idea to take on

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Speaker 4: Here's the good news.

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Speaker 3: I now work with them, not against them, So it's

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Speaker 3: all good. No, but you're you're right. People walk into

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Speaker 3: the building, George, and luckily it's not a big amount.

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Speaker 3: But but mathematically it's still too many. And people do

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Speaker 3: tend to lose themselves. And that's a great story you

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Speaker 3: just told. I never knew that. I wonder that's a

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Speaker 3: public story.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen I've seen athletes. I work with athletes, entertainers, politicians,

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Speaker 3: some local big wigs here in Montreal, Toronto, and you'd

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Speaker 3: be surprised what these people turn themselves into when they're losing,

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Speaker 3: or they have lost already.

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