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Speaker 2: conversation with a musician of our choosing. Before I get
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Speaker 2: Graham Coxon, who, of course you know as the guitarist
Speaker 2: from Blur as well as a solo musician in his
Speaker 2: own right. But Graham recently scored his first TV show
Speaker 2: on Netflix. It wasn't actually a Netflix original, I found out,
Speaker 2: actually found out halfway through this chat with him. Originally
Speaker 2: The End of the Fucking World was shown on Channel
Speaker 2: four apparently, but you can now watch it in full
Speaker 2: on Netflix. Eight episodes that all twenty minutes long. So
Speaker 2: it's very watchable TV, and it is very dark and
Speaker 2: funny and beautifully scored by Graham, the first piece of
Speaker 2: film and TV work that he's done, and it sounds
Speaker 2: like it won't be the last either. So Graham and
Speaker 2: I speak about that about the Beatles, which seems to
Speaker 2: be a recurring theme on the podcast, especially the subject
Speaker 2: of is Paul McCartney good or a very embarrassing man?
Speaker 2: And we also talk about box sets, Ryan Gosling and
Speaker 2: driving in America. Now, well, the only thing that I
Speaker 2: think I probably should do just before we get started
Speaker 2: is mention a little bit about the End of the
Speaker 2: fucking World. As I say, it's all on Netflix and
Speaker 2: there's eight episodes in total, and they're all very short.
Speaker 2: But the story itself is something that we don't actually
Speaker 2: mention during this podcast, so if you've not watched it,
Speaker 2: you might be thinking, what the hell is this they're
Speaker 2: talking about. So just to give you a very brief outline,
Speaker 2: the End of the Fucking World is essentially a love
Speaker 2: story about two misanthropic teens who go on the run,
Speaker 2: essentially played brilliantly by two British young actors Jessica Barden
Speaker 2: and Alex Lutha, who are just total fucking weirdos throughout
Speaker 2: the whole thing, but brilliantly done. And Graham's songs and
Speaker 2: music is a key part to the whole thing. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: And also we are just about to announce a new
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Speaker 2: Adam quite for information on that. In the meantime, thank
Speaker 2: you very much to Graham Coxon for coming by our
Speaker 2: office in East London and having this very relaxed conversation
Speaker 2: with me. We'll be back in another two weeks without
Speaker 2: fail with episode forty five of Midnight Chats. You still
Speaker 2: Camden based?
Speaker 3: I'm around that area, yes, ye, North London, been there
Speaker 3: for a long time now into the twenty odd years. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like coming over this way though. It's like a
Speaker 3: totally different place and changes and developed and always looks
Speaker 3: different and more. Hackney Road is actually is where Blurted
Speaker 3: started rehariting really just along here very very early days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was that up at Premises. Yeah was it
Speaker 2: called premises, It's called the Premier.
Speaker 3: Says yeah, okay, yeah. We used to just sort of
Speaker 3: just write and rehearse in there, so.
Speaker 2: I know some bands up there now. And did you
Speaker 2: have like a room that was always yours that you
Speaker 2: could keep all your stuff in and it was your
Speaker 2: like base or did you have to just lug your
Speaker 2: stuff there each time you wanted to rehearse.
Speaker 3: No, we didn't have that. We I mean we weren't.
Speaker 3: We were just rehearsing in between going to university and
Speaker 3: stuff then, so we weren't anything. But luckily the boy
Speaker 3: called Jason who worked there, he had the house VW
Speaker 3: Van and he started to help us out, so he
Speaker 3: would start to lug. He was sort of becoming a roadie,
Speaker 3: and he stayed with us for years and years and
Speaker 3: years and years the premises in the end and just
Speaker 3: started to be at full time roady.
Speaker 2: I mean, this area must have changed a hell of
Speaker 2: a lot since then. So what year was that would
Speaker 2: have been like ninety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, eight nine, ninety it's changed a lot. It's a
Speaker 3: lot more funnier graffiti rather than just scary graffiti.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a bit safer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You've been in Canada North for twenty years.
Speaker 3: In those days, I was living in Lucia.
Speaker 2: Do you envisage a time of leaving London at any point.
Speaker 3: I've tried living in the countryside and I went a
Speaker 3: bit crazy. Whereabouts What did you try in the middle
Speaker 3: of Kent, Okay, But you have to get in a
Speaker 3: car to do anything. Yes, I quite like walking around
Speaker 3: with some headphones on, and I like having a coffee
Speaker 3: place within reach walking distance, not reach, you know, and
Speaker 3: just just convenience. I quite like that a bit of
Speaker 3: a creature of habit I do similar stuff every day,
Speaker 3: so I like being able to go to a reasonably
Speaker 3: healthy place where you can get food and coffee and
Speaker 3: whatever and browse around.
Speaker 2: I went to the Lake District on holiday last year
Speaker 2: and what my wife and I had been taking for
Speaker 2: granted is how eight places are open here because we
Speaker 2: went to the pub and they'd closed the kitchen at
Speaker 2: eight o'clock and we just missed it. And they were like, no,
Speaker 2: there's no food now because we put and I say,
Speaker 2: it's eight o'clock, but I need to give.
Speaker 3: You any cold food that.
Speaker 2: No, No, it was like five piles day. They were like, no,
Speaker 2: it's close. And that's the kind of thing I really
Speaker 2: take for granted living in London.
Speaker 3: New London's coming over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I'm starting to get the itch
Speaker 2: to meet. Well, I don't know. I don't know where
Speaker 2: i'd move to. You know, that's the thing. I think,
Speaker 2: like you, I'd feel like if I moved it into
Speaker 2: the countryside, I would feel I'd feel a bit alone
Speaker 2: and isolated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it, and I love looking out on
Speaker 3: fields and things like that, but then there's no distraction.
Speaker 3: I like being out and about seeing things happen around me,
Speaker 3: looking at people and getting the distraction and this distraction
Speaker 3: from your own head, but also a little bit of
Speaker 3: our inspiration from what's going on around you. And you know,
Speaker 3: you get a bit BUCOLICI you're in the country all
Speaker 3: the time. I mean, I've thought about where would I
Speaker 3: go if I had to leave England and you know,
Speaker 3: wear an America? Would I would I move to l
Speaker 3: A or something. I like LA. But America is such
Speaker 3: a nuthouse and at the moment, I don't know what.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a that's a tricky one too. But
Speaker 3: I've got lots of friends there and I always enjoy
Speaker 3: it out there. I get a bit sick of shorts
Speaker 3: and T shirts.
Speaker 2: After a while, and you do have to drive everywhere
Speaker 2: there as well. Yeah, that's cool though, is I've never
Speaker 2: driven in America.
Speaker 3: Well, you when I was out there last we hired.
Speaker 3: I hired this car. It was some they laughed at
Speaker 3: me because it was just I think it was. It
Speaker 3: was a soccer mom's car, kind of a mini.
Speaker 2: Van, okay, right, like a sliding door.
Speaker 3: Sliding door, but you know it was a flipping end.
Speaker 3: Just huge engine, massive engine, and fitted everybody in and
Speaker 3: all the cases and stuff. So I quite enjoyed rolling
Speaker 3: around in that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm actually going to California
Speaker 2: on holiday this year to drive the do it the coast,
Speaker 2: the Pacific coast time. All right, I'm going to get
Speaker 2: a big one because I just feel like it's got
Speaker 2: to be a big one, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Well the first time I did it, I was in
Speaker 3: New York and I drove from New York from the
Speaker 3: Greenwich Hotel out to the Hampton's and it was in
Speaker 3: one of these huge, huge Fords, massive and it was
Speaker 3: an x L, so it was even longer, you know,
Speaker 3: a massive four wheel drive thingy. And on the way back,
Speaker 3: I was had to zoom back to get back to
Speaker 3: that hotel drop everybody off because they were going to
Speaker 3: see a plate and I had to get back the
Speaker 3: van back before a specific time, which is which was
Speaker 3: back up towards the garden gardens the Madison Square and
Speaker 3: it was hellish and I got stuck on this cross
Speaker 3: section thing and they were like toddlers, the way American
Speaker 3: New Yorkers drivers like toddlers. They don't care about anybody
Speaker 3: else and they go into any gap. I was absolutely stuck.
Speaker 3: And then there was this sort of topless bus right
Speaker 3: and you know the tourists in the top, and he
Speaker 3: started to turn left. I couldn't move. Someone had wedged
Speaker 3: me in there, and the back of the bus swung
Speaker 3: out and scraped all the way down the side of
Speaker 3: this big truck thing I was driving. And the car
Speaker 3: started jumping, jumping up and down, and nearly kind of
Speaker 3: tipping side was my wingbury got smashed off, and everybody
Speaker 3: on the top of the bus was looking down and
Speaker 3: I had to and I just made it. It was
Speaker 3: the most stressful day of my life, and I just
Speaker 3: made it to drop the car, but I had to
Speaker 3: show them that it was totally trashed. Then I had
Speaker 3: to get a cab back to the hotel within a
Speaker 3: certain amount of time at rush hour and it was
Speaker 3: the most hellish day I've ever had.
Speaker 2: So what did they say when you kind of turned up?
Speaker 2: You were so close with you like a few blocks away,
Speaker 2: having returned it in one piece, and you turned it
Speaker 2: up just smashed the ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it just it was really really horrible. And
Speaker 3: were they mad that happens? I guess that's sort of.
Speaker 3: I mean, it must happen, and it wasn't my fault,
Speaker 3: And just it was crazy New York driving shower. I
Speaker 3: would never experience anything so stressful.
Speaker 2: You're brave for taking it on. What were the Hamptons like?
Speaker 3: That was really nice? It was it was it was
Speaker 3: after we'd played out there, so it was just after
Speaker 3: Halloween and there was loads of fields full of pumpkins.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. And we just went there and stayed
Speaker 3: in this little house, his friend's house, and it was
Speaker 3: kind of empty, just drove around, went to Mond Talk.
Speaker 3: I think that's where Louie sort of lived.
Speaker 2: He moved out there.
Speaker 3: It's right out to the very end. There's there's two places.
Speaker 3: There's Montalk and somewhere else. We went to and that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's kind of nice. It was sort of rainy and
Speaker 3: a bit cool by that point.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got some questions to ask you, specifically about
Speaker 2: the end of the fucking world, all right, But yeah,
Speaker 2: this morning I saw an announcement about this Beatles tribute band.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm discussing that with me our
Speaker 3: friend Jamie. Yeah yeah. So what's I've forgotten that I've
Speaker 3: been Yeah, have.
Speaker 2: You forgotten about the fact that you've got to learn these?
Speaker 2: Do you know these songs? So to explain to it
Speaker 2: to anyone, because this has literally been announced this morning.
Speaker 2: I think it's for the Teenage Cancer Trust concerts that
Speaker 2: go on here in London at the Royal Albert Hall. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Roger Dultry and you're going to be in part of
Speaker 2: is it Matt? It's Matt Bellamy's projects. He done this before.
Speaker 2: I got the feeling from what I've heard he's done this.
Speaker 3: I've seen some gigs before where they've had various people
Speaker 3: guesting on various famous people as well, guesting people singing.
Speaker 3: You know, even one of the Beatles did it. But
Speaker 3: my old friend Jamie is the guitar player in there,
Speaker 3: and it's just some of his friends that he moved
Speaker 3: to la and a few years ago, and so he's
Speaker 3: one of my dear mates out there and he just
Speaker 3: hangs out with these these guys were musicians, and I
Speaker 3: think and they just were jamming around with the Beatles stuff,
Speaker 3: I think. But but I think they're more interested in
Speaker 3: the levery lever claud Hamburg style stuff, you know. So
Speaker 3: I think it's got a bit of that tilt to it.
Speaker 3: And he said, well, we've got this show, you want
Speaker 3: to do it? And yeah, I mean I know half
Speaker 3: the songs anyway, and I'll be able to get me
Speaker 3: old my old Cuban heels on again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's going to be early Beatles stuff, is it.
Speaker 3: I think it's mostly early Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sure? Did you grow up with the Beatles?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my bible.
Speaker 2: So you just note. So if some I was to
Speaker 2: say to you were going to put on a show
Speaker 2: of Beatles covers, you don't even You're just like, I've
Speaker 2: got it. You just know it, you just know.
Speaker 3: Most of it. Yeah, I did. I did. I did
Speaker 3: the Abbey Road album in a pub in Clark And
Speaker 3: with Robin Hitchcock and Mark Bedford from Madness and other people,
Speaker 3: lots of people I forget now, h and that was good.
Speaker 3: That's a good one to do, Yeah, because and learn
Speaker 3: all the lead parts to that and and it was fantastic.
Speaker 3: Loved it. But yeah, the beginning of Octopus's Gardens quite tricky,
Speaker 3: but yeah, but it's this great fun. It's a brilliant
Speaker 3: rat record. To play all the Beatles stuff is great fun.
Speaker 3: That's how I learned the guitar. You know the Beatles
Speaker 3: complete open that and strum along all boxers?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that the one with the psychedelic picture on
Speaker 2: the front.
Speaker 3: That's the other completely We had that one, and then
Speaker 3: there was the one with the gold coins on, which
Speaker 3: was the one on which was the one I was
Speaker 3: after for a while because I think that they were
Speaker 3: in the same key as the record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other one isn't. Yeah. So who at
Speaker 2: the show? Which Beatle will you be?
Speaker 3: I don't know. There'll probably be more too more people
Speaker 3: on stage than there were Beatles, so I'll probably have
Speaker 3: to be a kind of I'll go with being a
Speaker 3: sort of a George.
Speaker 2: I guess was George or Beatle?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, did you have a Beatle?
Speaker 3: They all melged into one beast really the Beatles for me,
Speaker 3: and that I didn't really you know they were they
Speaker 3: were They were such an amazing mix of voices when
Speaker 3: they were all singing. But I like Paul.
Speaker 2: We've got just down there. Yeah, we get some stick
Speaker 2: for that. I seem to mention him every time I'm
Speaker 2: on the podcast. Paul McCartney seems to be the recurring
Speaker 2: theme of this podcast.
Speaker 3: I really what's wrong with Paul?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like people I have a really loved Paul.
Speaker 2: If you're a Beatles fan, you obviously love Paul McCartney.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people thinking of that embarrassing dad
Speaker 2: figure and they can't get over that. It's not cool
Speaker 2: to like Paul for people of a certain.
Speaker 3: Some people who are very knowledgeable think the opposite. If
Speaker 3: you talk to Svonius, he was says so different. I
Speaker 3: I you know, Paul was actually the more avant garde
Speaker 3: member of the Beatles throughout their you know, the mid sixties,
Speaker 3: and he was exploring all the kind of culture. I think,
Speaker 3: but you know Paul's stuff. You know, my little girl,
Speaker 3: she responds to Paul's voice. She loves the Yellow Submarine
Speaker 3: and she loves all those songs that are on that,
Speaker 3: and they spread over the Beatles whole career. So she
Speaker 3: responds to his voice, and I suppose I did. They're very,
Speaker 3: very melodic. And later on I got into John Lenham Moore.
Speaker 3: I've got more interested in him as a man, as
Speaker 3: a person, And I always sort of liked George, but
Speaker 3: he was he was more of a private guy. Less
Speaker 3: information about him, really, I suppose, and so and I
Speaker 3: always thought Ringo was great drummer. And no problem of Ringo,
Speaker 3: you know, saying whether Paul's cool or not in a
Speaker 3: waste of time. I think it's just, you know, they
Speaker 3: were all brilliant and then in that within that band,
Speaker 3: they all just they they all fitted together perfectly.
Speaker 2: So the end of the fucking world.
Speaker 3: Your first score, they call it a score, Yeah, call
Speaker 3: it a score.
Speaker 2: Have you been offered them before and turned them down
Speaker 2: or no? This is the just the first one that
Speaker 2: kind of came up, and yeah, how was it as
Speaker 2: a genuine experience, But it's.
Speaker 3: My main Matt He I got to know him. He
Speaker 3: he grabbed me to write a tune for the end
Speaker 3: of the Riot Club, right, which was the film about
Speaker 3: the sort of yeah about that, and I wrote a
Speaker 3: song for the end of that, and then this came up.
Speaker 3: He just thought I'd be really perfect for it.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I think the director Jonathan and Wessel really liked my
Speaker 3: It was sort of a fan or whatever they exist,
Speaker 3: and I just thought that would be great. And so
Speaker 3: they asked me and they sent me some scripts, you know,
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and I was just like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: do this. It seems like it would be a good,
Speaker 3: good fun So.
Speaker 2: Is that how it works? And they send you scripts
Speaker 2: rather than footage or yeah.
Speaker 3: I got scripts first, and then eventually I got a
Speaker 3: few ruffs of a couple of episodes, and then we
Speaker 3: had a meeting. And the thing is the episodes will
Speaker 3: have a tempt and for those who don't know what
Speaker 3: that is, they put a song in behind the action
Speaker 3: as a sort of an indicator as to what they're
Speaker 3: you know, they think would be appropriate.
Speaker 2: Oh so that so it's just kind of like just
Speaker 2: like holding place. Yeah, they put a song in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing they could be songs that did you
Speaker 2: know the songs were they like well known?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Mostly at the end of the fucking world though,
Speaker 3: it's got a lot of old fifties interesting songs on it, fifties,
Speaker 3: early sixties. But then it's got my stuff but a
Speaker 3: lot of my stuff it wasn't exactly written to. It
Speaker 3: wasn't sort of like a soundtrack or scoring when it
Speaker 3: was written to with the action in mind. Almost it
Speaker 3: wasn't written to score to the action. So it doesn't
Speaker 3: you know, no loudbits coincide with stressful action or you know,
Speaker 3: none of that sort of thing. So I was kind
Speaker 3: of thinking about what the tempts were and then being
Speaker 3: inspired by the characters and the situation, and then I
Speaker 3: tried to write songs that felt like they'd been there
Speaker 3: for anyway, that they had been picked, rather like the temps.
Speaker 3: So it was amazing practice for me because I had
Speaker 3: to sort of genre hop decade hop, and I hadn't
Speaker 3: been using DAWs and all the rest of it at
Speaker 3: home for that long. So it was really great practice,
Speaker 3: you know, seeing how I can do that, seeing how
Speaker 3: I could do it on you know, go from sort
Speaker 3: of early nineties a bit slackery whatever that's called slacker
Speaker 3: sort of stuff, like early Beck kind of thing. I suppose,
Speaker 3: sorry Beck slacker, but you know, as it's kind of
Speaker 3: a loose genre, and then our late seventies and then
Speaker 3: and then sort of cinematic, kind of very Valvy, Scott Walker, Stroke,
Speaker 3: you know, Lee Hazelwood. Some people said a couple of
Speaker 3: the songs were a bit like Lee Hazewood, but much
Speaker 3: inspired by Scott Walker, and then and then and then
Speaker 3: and then a little more sort of the sister album
Speaker 3: by going Big Star, that kind of thing, Stroke ry
Speaker 3: kuderish but more essexy. So there was a lot of
Speaker 3: different things to explore, music to explore, and I was
Speaker 3: like doing it, you know, going full full time on it.
Speaker 3: Nine to six.
Speaker 2: Can you remember what the original brief was when they
Speaker 2: came to you and said we've got this thing. Did
Speaker 2: they outline the story, the characters? How much kind of
Speaker 2: information did they give you to go on?
Speaker 3: And well, it went on a little bit about the story.
Speaker 3: They didn't tell me what was going to happen. We
Speaker 3: went over what was happening in the episode, how people
Speaker 3: were feeling, and this is happening here, and we need
Speaker 3: a theme maybe for these detectives and you know, these
Speaker 3: two policemen and then they have a song here. If
Speaker 3: we want something generally know, she's crying in this bit,
Speaker 3: we need something kind of gentle, maybe underscoring on this bit.
Speaker 3: And so I just sort of come up with, you know,
Speaker 3: and I'd write a list of what sort of was required,
Speaker 3: crying bit, you know, and then I It was quite
Speaker 3: interesting because you know, having a brief and having a
Speaker 3: kind of some sort of inspiration. I found that I
Speaker 3: could work quite well without having some sort of an
Speaker 3: absolute blank space to start on. It was quite good
Speaker 3: having having a sort of a brief sort of, so
Speaker 3: I found that I could work quite quickly, and if
Speaker 3: they wanted this type of shoe, I could send them
Speaker 3: sort of three or four of that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: or maybe two one day. You know. Yeah, but there
Speaker 3: was there was a couple of big Scott Walker types
Speaker 3: that went things, and some of the things didn't get
Speaker 3: make it onto this soundtrack record or the or the series.
Speaker 3: You know. So even in discussions I would be going, oh,
Speaker 3: hang on a minute, and I have to go up
Speaker 3: go to the loo or whatever and just sing a
Speaker 3: little idea. And then after the meeting I'd go home
Speaker 3: and record it and they'd have it at the end
Speaker 3: of the afternoon. I mean, I was sort of amazed.
Speaker 3: But it was good because it got me fast on
Speaker 3: logic and stuff, you know, you know, it got me
Speaker 3: really quick, and I got a workflow because before if
Speaker 3: you just you know, mucking about, you don't actually do
Speaker 3: anything really, you don't figure out what your workflow is.
Speaker 3: And so I got faster and faster, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it would be like automatic, and then there'd be a
Speaker 3: song and then I'd chuck it over to them and
Speaker 3: learn how to do that, you know, bounce as audio file.
Speaker 3: You know, I've never done in the stuff.
Speaker 2: Before, schooling yourself rapidly.
Speaker 3: And in between watching a quick YouTube video about how
Speaker 3: to do this.
Speaker 2: I will reach for YouTube on literally anything I don't
Speaker 2: know how to do.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's incredible. I love those I love those
Speaker 2: people that put up you toials on how to change
Speaker 2: the bulb in your car, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: It's just like such a selfless thing to do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm now going to make a video about window wipers,
Speaker 2: cleaning a window whippers or whatever. Yeah, so when did
Speaker 2: you see the whole series?
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because I'd see some lockdown and then
Speaker 3: we'd watch it, and then we'd go to edits and
Speaker 3: then they'd be still discussing at this and that, and
Speaker 3: then i'd see the very last one and you know,
Speaker 3: flip my neck, and just about the only piece of
Speaker 3: music that was done to action was that extended p
Speaker 3: that was during the caravan, right right at the end
Speaker 3: of the end of episode eight. But it was always
Speaker 3: kind of I was always listening out and looking at things,
Speaker 3: so I was always in a sort of an analytical
Speaker 3: frame of mind. So when we settled down to watch
Speaker 3: it in its full thingy, I was kind of like, wow,
Speaker 3: I was really amazed. I was. I was really impressed.
Speaker 3: It was tons better than I actually thought it was
Speaker 3: going to be. Thought I thought the first episode, I
Speaker 3: was really scared that no one would watch past the
Speaker 3: first episode because because the kids are such an unattractive
Speaker 3: the horrible kids. But then by two episodes two and three,
Speaker 3: I think they become really they really grow on you,
Speaker 3: especially especially her. She becomes funnier and funnier, and you get, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, it's really dispassionate.
Speaker 2: It's it's funny should say that, because Greg, who just met,
Speaker 2: watched it with for me and it said, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's brilliant. He was nothing but full of praise for it,
Speaker 2: and I ended up absolutely burning through them. But after
Speaker 2: about like the first couple I was like I'm not
Speaker 2: sure I'm going to able to get through this because
Speaker 2: of that exact reason. Like the kids are just like
Speaker 2: so misanthropic and so like so kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't cheer up, you know, and you know, kind
Speaker 2: of like these nasty characters, but by the end of it,
Speaker 2: you're super rooting for them.
Speaker 3: The thing that gets you through is the is that
Speaker 3: is the humor. If that wasn't there, you'd be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: so why are you talking down? You know that, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's just tiny little throwaway bits that have
Speaker 3: me really chuckling and really enjoying characters. She's great writer,
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was. And then you know, there was
Speaker 3: things that I'd forgotten. I put there's this track, will
Speaker 3: bust up, and then I was like, hang on, they're
Speaker 3: singing it, and I've completely forgotten that I put some
Speaker 3: vocals done that because there was in such a rush.
Speaker 3: I must have done it last minute and gone, I
Speaker 3: put a quick vocal on here, and then I sent
Speaker 3: it off and forgot about it. And then, you know,
Speaker 3: so there were times when I was listening to it
Speaker 3: almost like it was done so quickly that I'd forgotten
Speaker 3: a lot of the songs almost and then so it
Speaker 3: was like hearing him for the first time. And again
Speaker 3: that's quite odd.
Speaker 2: When it finally went up on Netflix in one bulk,
Speaker 2: did you sit down and watch it?
Speaker 3: I watched it on all four. I think first it
Speaker 3: was a Channel four thing. First was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 3: It was on Channel four. Then it went Netflix went
Speaker 3: on Netflix on it. Yeah, So I watched them then
Speaker 3: early early on.
Speaker 2: And the character, as we say, like those kids are
Speaker 2: so so kind of nihilistic and misanthropic. Was there anything
Speaker 2: in them that, even though you're no longer seventeen yourself,
Speaker 2: could you relate to them in any way? How were
Speaker 2: you as a seventeen year old?
Speaker 3: I was nothing like that. I was utterly the other way.
Speaker 3: I was naive and overly romantic. I romanticized everything, you know,
Speaker 3: and I was just sort of an esthete that flipping extreme,
Speaker 3: you know, as an art student. Played music. That was
Speaker 3: my whole thing, you know, music, listening to records. I
Speaker 3: you know, I was getting busted up a little bit
Speaker 3: from relationships being tricky and things and losing my innocence
Speaker 3: in ways. In a way when I was through my
Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen and things like that, thinking flipping out, you know,
Speaker 3: falling in love and having relationships there were this is
Speaker 3: not what it's meant to be like, this is not
Speaker 3: what it's like in the Beatles, you know, things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and sort of growing you know, not quite growing up,
Speaker 3: and always finding it all a bit a bit difficult,
Speaker 3: and then going off to London when I nineteen to
Speaker 3: go to art school. So I wasn't. I used to
Speaker 3: read a lot of stuff, and I used to read
Speaker 3: a lot of existential stuff. I used to I used
Speaker 3: to love a bit of sartra and I used to
Speaker 3: want to have a lot of knowledge of why we here?
Speaker 3: Who are we? What should we do? What? You know,
Speaker 3: what's the point? Sort of thing. But I was never
Speaker 3: I don't think I was. I was ever a psychopath
Speaker 3: or sociopath or any of these things. I think I
Speaker 3: was just mega romantic, not anymore.
Speaker 2: Though now harder than did And yeah, yeah, it's like, Barren,
Speaker 2: do you still read such? Do you still read sart?
Speaker 3: Totally misheard you?
Speaker 2: What do you think I said that?
Speaker 3: I thought you said you still retouch her?
Speaker 2: And I was like, are you talking about slurring accent?
Speaker 3: I love a bit of Sarta, the Age of Reason
Speaker 3: and all that nausea. I really, I really liked it.
Speaker 3: And then I got into Salinger a lot. And I
Speaker 3: remember when I was reading Sylvia Plaid and Salinger at
Speaker 3: the same time, and that was flipping. If you're feeling
Speaker 3: a little bit moody, that's a good thing, that's a
Speaker 3: good look. Yeah. I actually found that Sylvia Plaid a
Speaker 3: lot more comic than I thought I was going to.
Speaker 2: What were you reading, Belgium?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the old classic. The first half is quite funny,
Speaker 3: you know, it's got a lot of wicked humor in it.
Speaker 3: And then before you know it and you don't quite
Speaker 3: know when it happens. It's like, what this has completely
Speaker 3: changed And it's about clever because you don't know quite
Speaker 3: when it's happened, but you're suddenly it's suddenly plummeted somewhere else. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I always loved Sallenger. I had a romantic thing
Speaker 3: with you know, about his characters and the class family
Speaker 3: and all the rest of it. You know, I've always
Speaker 3: loved books and I've always devoured author's really like Jim Thompson,
Speaker 3: the crime writer, and I was really into his stuff.
Speaker 3: He wrote Killer inside Me in The Getaway, amongst other things,
Speaker 3: and then really into Paul Ulster, really into Leviathan, The
Speaker 3: Moon Palace and the New York Trilogy and The Oracle
Speaker 3: Night and these incredible genius books, and then even in War. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's all such a you know, I get obsessed with novelists,
Speaker 3: and so I do love reading. But now I'm on
Speaker 3: YouTube too much figuring out how do how do you
Speaker 3: do this? How do you do a fade on MIDI boring?
Speaker 2: Distracting it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really boring.
Speaker 2: Do you do you miss being a teenager? Or any point?
Speaker 3: Not? Really, it was all right. It was sort of
Speaker 3: fraught with feelings of what if. You know, I've always
Speaker 3: had inadequacy. You know, my main thing is Europe. You know,
Speaker 3: that's my main internal dialogue.
Speaker 2: I think that's quite I think that's quite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was probably quite natural. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 3: was all right. I mean I wouldn't mind doing some
Speaker 3: of my twenties again. My thirties was all right, a
Speaker 3: bit lonely. I mean I was on my own quite
Speaker 3: a lot dur in my thirties, and I was sort
Speaker 3: of starting out and doing my solo sort of albums.
Speaker 3: A little bit then. So I was at home a lot,
Speaker 3: strumming away at a guitar, watching the news on the
Speaker 3: sofa and looking after my little and who is today? Eighteen?
Speaker 2: Wow? Today? What today?
Speaker 3: Today?
Speaker 2: It's a birthday?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh wow. Yeah, it's grat It's pretty nuts. So yeah,
Speaker 3: some of my twenties, I just think I was in
Speaker 3: a bit of a marred because I wanted things to
Speaker 3: be a certain way and they weren't. Like getting a bit.
Speaker 3: You know, the nineties it was a bit you had
Speaker 3: quite a busy time, and it was busy, and it
Speaker 3: was all just seemed a little bit like you're having
Speaker 3: to do an awful lot of pointless stuff.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I had a lot of chips on my shoulder about
Speaker 3: about this sort of how I was experiencing it. But really,
Speaker 3: you know, I should have just had a good time,
Speaker 3: you know, I should have just no one said, Graham,
Speaker 3: stop drinking? Will you not have a good time? Just
Speaker 3: cheer up? You know, it's great. Think about it.
Speaker 2: Were you not allowing yourself to because obviously in the
Speaker 2: nineties there are a lot of people who were really
Speaker 2: I imagine, filling you with praise and saying how great
Speaker 2: you were. Did you did you find that uncomfortable that
Speaker 2: being told that you were great?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You do. But it's funny when you're in a band,
Speaker 3: you're you're you're the others that get told get told
Speaker 3: they're great more.
Speaker 2: What everyone in the band thinks that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably probably they do. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: you get told you're great whatever, But really, your day
Speaker 3: to day experience of yourself and your band and whatever
Speaker 3: is that sort of it's kind of like it's it's
Speaker 3: sort of you've got to live with yourself, you know.
Speaker 3: That's that's basically you've got to drag yourself around in
Speaker 3: your and you're in your own mind and not off.
Speaker 3: It's not always a great place, especially if you're exhausted.
Speaker 3: And you know, when we first went to America two
Speaker 3: months tour or something like that, in a bus where
Speaker 3: your parents aren't there, no one's going to tell you
Speaker 3: what to do, and you can do what you like,
Speaker 3: flip an egg, and you don't realize that you're testing
Speaker 3: the limits of your sanity until you're you're breaking down
Speaker 3: and crying for no reason. You're like, what's going on?
Speaker 3: All I've been doing is drinking every night, and for
Speaker 3: six or seven or eight weeks and you know, suddenly
Speaker 3: you're you're having a flipping breakdown. You don't really know why.
Speaker 2: So did the rest of the guys know how to
Speaker 2: deal with that kind of tuff.
Speaker 3: Some people just didn't have to escape as much as
Speaker 3: I did. But we were partying pretty heftily. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a funny one. No one tells you. You look, man, it.
Speaker 2: Slowed down, you know, honestly, that's the nineties, the age
Speaker 2: of the excess.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It kind of turned out that that was pretty I
Speaker 3: took it to a cab drive on the way and
Speaker 3: he recognized me. He was talking about were great, weren't I?
Speaker 3: You know, and and I think were In a way
Speaker 3: it was. It was the sort of record industry's last hurrah.
Speaker 3: It was when they still have money and you could
Speaker 3: still have big launch parties for albums and your albums
Speaker 3: didn't get leaks as well, which is pretty cool, and
Speaker 3: people buy them. Yeah, people would buy them. There was
Speaker 3: money knocking about. You could have daft, big silly parties
Speaker 3: and all the labels had these big conferences that weekends
Speaker 3: where everyone just let their hair down a bit too much.
Speaker 3: Probably so in that way it was kind of great.
Speaker 3: No one knew what was around the corner, although they
Speaker 3: were warned actually quite often. Quite they were worn quite
Speaker 3: a lot that they had to really keep on the case.
Speaker 3: As regards the Internet, but I suppose no one thought
Speaker 3: it would really collapse in the way it did. So Really,
Speaker 3: the nineties really was that last era of recording of
Speaker 3: being sort of a thing. Like the seventies, eighties, and nineties,
Speaker 3: they were these decades of excess.
Speaker 2: I suppose I wonder if bands now, like young bands,
Speaker 2: kind of do kind of go for it as much
Speaker 2: as you guys did them.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and we just thought that's what you did,
Speaker 3: you know. Growing up, I wanted to be in a
Speaker 3: group like the Who you know, and they were sort
Speaker 3: of role models. It's pretty dangerous role models to have.
Speaker 3: But I've watched The Kids all right, that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there was tons of swearing, there's tons of smashing guitars obviously,
Speaker 3: tons of drinking, you know, and mayhem. And I just
Speaker 3: thought that's what being in a band was, you know.
Speaker 3: But nowadays I think people come at it from a
Speaker 3: bit more of a business side, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: you go to school to learn it. Now you don't
Speaker 3: see in your bedroom and learn tons of blues licks.
Speaker 3: No anymore, you know, you come out more from a
Speaker 3: business angle. But I'm sure there are bands that are
Speaker 3: flipping mental and still still doing all the crazy stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know, in the very early nineties, we go
Speaker 3: to the Camden Falcon and they'd be Shane McGowan and
Speaker 3: they'd be early bands like the Venus Beads, and they'd
Speaker 3: be gosh, who who were that Terry Biggers group after
Speaker 3: the House of Love. And there was a lot of
Speaker 3: really strange, mad, insane and kind of dark characters around
Speaker 3: and you'd be playing poor with them and you'd be
Speaker 3: and suddenly you were you were a space pilot or
Speaker 3: something like them, and you'd be part of some weird
Speaker 3: group of people and who were all lovely and I
Speaker 3: see still see around, they're still looking about. But it
Speaker 3: was a very dark and weird scene and it was
Speaker 3: very funny. But it seems to have totally disappeared, and
Speaker 3: it's turned very very shiny and very professional and a
Speaker 3: bit wingy.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're obviously going through a huge nineties kind
Speaker 2: of rose tinted view of it, and everything's nineties and
Speaker 2: fashions nineties, and everything's kind of like, what the nineties
Speaker 2: great and celebrate to it. Yeah, yeah, I was going
Speaker 2: to ask you all clothes. I was going to ask
Speaker 2: you how it feels having like been in the thick
Speaker 2: of it and now having to experience all these people
Speaker 2: saying how great it was or kind of have an
Speaker 2: opinion on it. But as this passed you by the fact.
Speaker 3: Well, the nineties we were just trying to be the sixties.
Speaker 3: It was trying to be our own sixties, and there
Speaker 3: were some terrible people. Would like the blow Up Club,
Speaker 3: you know, I'd go there every week. You know, you
Speaker 3: have a pinted larger. I'd drop my Parker off at
Speaker 3: the old think cloak room whatever, and someone would drop
Speaker 3: some something zoomy into my drink and off we go.
Speaker 3: And I'd look around there, going, he's got a fed
Speaker 3: perry on and a tie on a fed Perry and
Speaker 3: then a zip up added he's got And I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is not right, this is all
Speaker 3: totally wrong. But I suppose nineties fashion was rip rip
Speaker 3: jeans and plaid chirts as well, you know, and it
Speaker 3: was all sorts of things, wasn't it. But the rippop thing,
Speaker 3: it was pretty awful. It was. It was kind of
Speaker 3: quite oiky, I think, is that a terrible thing to say?
Speaker 2: Oh? I think you. I think that's fair. And it was.
Speaker 3: It was good. It looks good we did it doesn't
Speaker 3: look good on everyone, you know. It was kind of mardish.
Speaker 3: I mean, I suppose blurb was sort of quite mardish
Speaker 3: and messed around with with d ms and loafers and
Speaker 3: Harrington's and things like that. I got kind of bored
Speaker 3: of it quite quick.
Speaker 2: So in terms of the film work, the scores, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's is that something you've been wanting to do for
Speaker 2: a while or is it just something that's kind of
Speaker 2: this is a little project and maybe it will be
Speaker 2: the only thing that you do for film or would
Speaker 2: you want to do Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Quite like to do more. I'm not very good at
Speaker 3: doing loads of things at the same time, but definitely
Speaker 3: i'd like to do I'd like to do more. I
Speaker 3: like the idea of, you know, I can just work
Speaker 3: at six in the morning if I want in a
Speaker 3: dressing gown, just you know, because it is at my house.
Speaker 3: You know, I've just got this sort of room where
Speaker 3: I set up my stuff and it sounds all right.
Speaker 3: I haven't really treated it or anything. But there's a
Speaker 3: lot of old tweed jackets and overcoats everywhere, so I
Speaker 3: suppose that sort of acoustically treats.
Speaker 2: The space and you soundproved you're tweed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, basically eighteen years living in Camden sort of
Speaker 3: worth of tweed. So yeah, I quite like it. I
Speaker 3: like the idea that I can I go up there
Speaker 3: and it's my own space and it's where I put things.
Speaker 3: They stay there, and I can sort of get absorbed
Speaker 3: whatever I'm doing. I can get into it and work
Speaker 3: quite well. So yeah, i'd like to do more. I'm
Speaker 3: pretty unsure as to whether they're going to be any more.
Speaker 3: End of the fing world hasn't been discussed, and I
Speaker 3: know there's too sort of some people think it'd be
Speaker 3: a great idea, of think it'll be a terrible idea.
Speaker 2: But I think it's that that I don't want to
Speaker 2: spoil it for anyone who has not seen it. But
Speaker 2: the ending is so kind of it's kind of perfect
Speaker 2: as it is, isn't it. Yeah, But I understand that
Speaker 2: these things kind of are sometimes too tempting to leave alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think I think it's an incredible story
Speaker 3: that that. You know, Jonathan found this comic in a bin,
Speaker 3: you know, and he's picked it out of a bin,
Speaker 3: and at the end of the that looks interesting and
Speaker 3: and really liked him, thought this would make a great series.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize he'd found it in a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and any contact to Charles who'd done that made
Speaker 3: them who had self published this comic, you know, in
Speaker 3: the States, And so it's kind of a lovely sort
Speaker 3: of fairy tale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: And he's capable of writing tons of great stories. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it might not even be about them too, you could,
Speaker 3: you could write stories about other people, other things. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 3: who knows.
Speaker 2: Do you go in for box sets generally and binge
Speaker 2: watching kind of a season of something that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love a bit of a binge.
Speaker 2: What's what are your favorites?
Speaker 3: My favorite all time would probably be Breaking Bad.
Speaker 2: I've not seen Breaking Bad yet, My god, I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm actually not very good at a box sets. But
Speaker 2: I have seen all of End of the fucking World.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it helps that there's there's eight and they're
Speaker 2: all like twenty eight. Yeah, and I can cope with that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm currently halfway through season two of Stranger Things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: have you seen that one? Yeah, I've seen those and
Speaker 2: I'm into it. But I feel like if I basically
Speaker 2: take my foot off the gas and if I don't,
Speaker 2: if I go a day or a night, if I
Speaker 2: go a night without watching one, I kind of think
Speaker 2: I can live without this, you know really. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: not seen Breaking Bad, but that's your one course. I
Speaker 2: love that, which is related, okay, but you need to.
Speaker 3: And I really love mad Men. I really love Broadwalk Empire.
Speaker 3: You know, I've I've watched I watched a lot of them.
Speaker 3: I've always kind of watched them. The Old House of
Speaker 3: Cards so you used to watch that years ago, like
Speaker 3: ten years ago, into watching the Old House of Cards and.
Speaker 2: The original one, not the Space one.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched the Space that's another one. Yeah, probably
Speaker 3: I'm sort of saving. But the Strange Things. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: really love the Big Little Liars? Is that Big Little Lies,
Speaker 3: Little Big Liars?
Speaker 2: Is that the one about the girls, the group of girls?
Speaker 3: No, my wife watches it's spoon.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, that's not it. I don't know that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was just a one season thing.
Speaker 3: I really thought that was that was fantastic beautiful soundtrack
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: I guess you've done the Wire? No, have you not
Speaker 2: done the Wire?
Speaker 3: No, there's a few I haven't done that people want
Speaker 3: to hear.
Speaker 2: I've done that one, and I don't really do that.
Speaker 2: The problem is with that one is I feel like
Speaker 2: and everyone says that's the best one or breaking bad actually,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I've peaked because that was one
Speaker 2: of the first ones I did, and now any ones
Speaker 2: I've seen after that aren't. That's good. It's five seasons,
Speaker 2: so it's it's pretty manageable.
Speaker 3: Campire is pretty good.
Speaker 2: That's that's the scor one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, semi prohibition.
Speaker 2: What do you what about Game of Thrones? Yeah that
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love a bit.
Speaker 2: I had to give that one up.
Speaker 3: Did you when did you give it up? Because was
Speaker 3: it when it was just all getting a little bit
Speaker 3: too like sort of like shagging and killing basically all
Speaker 3: the time?
Speaker 2: You know what? I gave it up. I'm kind of
Speaker 2: almost embarrassed to say after five I watched five seasons
Speaker 2: and then I just thought this isn't going anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Dragon Lady's not even got over the river at
Speaker 2: this point in the second five seasons. But she's still
Speaker 2: thinking about it, and what did I got my friend
Speaker 2: who's read them all to ruin it for me. I
Speaker 2: was like, tell me everything that happens, so I don't
Speaker 2: have to watch this anymore. She told me everything, so
Speaker 2: then I felt at peace with it a bit. But
Speaker 2: I've heard it's got good again now and it's actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's rewarding the people that did stick with it. Well.
Speaker 3: I thought after a couple of seasons, like I was
Speaker 3: feeling a bit sick. It was like too much, like
Speaker 3: oh my god, And then it started to get good
Speaker 3: with that red wedding thing, and then I really love
Speaker 3: Homeland as well. And the last two series of that
Speaker 3: seasons I hate calling them seasons, but the last two
Speaker 3: of those it seems to be like, like I think
Speaker 3: that it's the same as the Game of Thrones. It's
Speaker 3: just it's just blokes walking around with sort of leather
Speaker 3: chest plate things on having conversations. For most you know,
Speaker 3: on the side of a mountain. It's like, well whatever,
Speaker 3: and it's you know, I want to see some a
Speaker 3: bit more of the gratuous.
Speaker 2: You've now you becometuity. Yeah, you've become like kind of
Speaker 2: institutionalized by the violence. Now there's not enough violence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not enough violence, and it's not enough sex.
Speaker 3: So I need loads of that in my just general life.
Speaker 3: So that's nighttime, that's generally I'm up to, not really
Speaker 3: and Homeland. Homeland is as well. It's like people in
Speaker 3: corridors having conversations, mostly because the story is ridiculous. They
Speaker 3: have to have these long sections where there's just then
Speaker 3: there's a bit of excitement, and then the last episode
Speaker 3: is ridiculously intense. But the series has been totally boring.
Speaker 2: It finished.
Speaker 3: Now I'm really looking forward to another one going on,
Speaker 3: and I think that's one coming up soon.
Speaker 2: Must they dragged them out? Prison Break was one I
Speaker 2: watched which got so unbelievably ridiculous. Yeah, like, the first
Speaker 2: seasons good and the second one is good, but you
Speaker 2: can tell that they rode it as too, you know,
Speaker 2: and there's this point when it should have ended, and
Speaker 2: they obviously got offered too much money to not end it,
Speaker 2: and then it just becomes absolutely the most ridiculous thing
Speaker 2: you've ever seen. But you're you're like, you've spent all
Speaker 2: these hours on it, You've got to see it through
Speaker 2: to the end, and it just got it's absolutely mental,
Speaker 2: you know, like dead characters coming back to life.
Speaker 3: I really like Dallas excellent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of thing. But I mean, i'd recommend
Speaker 2: it if you're into if you're you know, if you're
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 3: But they dressed in magical clok. No, no to life.
Speaker 3: When any game of Friends, you can kind of there's
Speaker 3: a bit of witchcraft in that, so you can kind
Speaker 3: of come back from the dead.
Speaker 2: No, this is just contemporary, modern day. Just someone go,
Speaker 2: it was faked you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was somehow dreamt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Was it, Bobby Ewing dreamt a whole a whole series
Speaker 3: of yeah, Dallas or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he did, didn't It was all just a
Speaker 2: dreams and dream I always thought that would have been
Speaker 2: a good ending to Lost. Yeah, if it was just
Speaker 2: someone was watching it on a plane.
Speaker 3: I never watched that.
Speaker 2: No, I watched. I watched the first episode and was out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know, there's the girl in that silly film,
Speaker 3: So this is forty Paul film. I love all those
Speaker 3: silly films. There's a girl who's obsessed with lust and that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've not seen that film like I do quite
Speaker 2: like those silly films. Idea yeah, is that your genre,
Speaker 2: your go to genre? I do quite like that stuff.
Speaker 3: I like wander lust and you know it silly, I
Speaker 3: mean a bit puerile and I love you, love you man,
Speaker 3: and this is forty.
Speaker 2: The forty year old Virgin.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's about stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Judge appetitle kind.
Speaker 3: Of yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, I quite like that,
Speaker 3: kind of quite like Seth Seth thing me Rogan quite
Speaker 3: like his laugh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a bear.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's worth it for every few minutes.
Speaker 2: So what would you like to soundtrack next? Is there
Speaker 2: anything you'd like, like, any type of thing? Would you
Speaker 2: like to soundtrack one of those films Judd apatowity he
Speaker 2: got on the phone.
Speaker 3: I mean, what what sort of soundtrack do they have?
Speaker 3: They just have silly means kind of like they might
Speaker 3: have a little bit of kind of scar punk or
Speaker 3: skate punk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a bit of like kind of a hangover
Speaker 2: from the American Pie soundtrack. It's like that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be fun. Yeah. I can write. I
Speaker 3: can write a novelty song. I write a couple of
Speaker 3: novelty songs that were even too stupid for for the
Speaker 3: end of the fucking world. I said, what about these
Speaker 3: you know that that song I wrote, you know, the
Speaker 3: really silly novelty, sort of old fashioned. I wanted it
Speaker 3: to be sounded like it was made in the forties.
Speaker 3: What about that? No answer? Okay, they're totally not even entertaining.
Speaker 2: It's just never responded.
Speaker 3: But I might make a different version of it and
Speaker 3: try and and just you know, punt it around a bit.
Speaker 3: Wants it. It's pretty funny. Yeah, it's got a whole
Speaker 3: kind of vocal sound solo. It's not words, it's just
Speaker 3: vocal noises and lips sounds. But it's a solo. I
Speaker 3: want to hear I wonder what it's like one of
Speaker 3: those It's like one of those really ridiculous old novelty records,
Speaker 3: you know. It's kind of like Spike Jones and the
Speaker 3: City Slickers or the Goons or something mixed together.
Speaker 2: I want to hear this.
Speaker 3: It needs to be better version. Maybe that was it?
Speaker 2: Did you watch La La Land?
Speaker 3: No? You know what?
Speaker 2: I love that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I did. I'm getting mixed thingies about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I suppose my my genre of
Speaker 2: choice is probably romance and rom com more and more
Speaker 2: these days, and I did like that. I'll also watch
Speaker 2: anything with what's his face in? Ryan Goslin?
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, what to answer for, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: It's his fault that a state agents. Now Look how
Speaker 3: they do their tight suits in their Ivy League haircuts.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Another sort of Gosling in smaller Gosling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Goslinization of the world.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love old gods, but criky, everyone wants
Speaker 3: to look like For a while, I wanted to look
Speaker 3: like the gods, didn't they. I saw this great film
Speaker 3: called Mister Roosevelt. Have you seen that? Really daft film.
Speaker 3: I had some really good music in it too. I
Speaker 3: have no idea. It's one of them feel good indies.
Speaker 3: We often settled down to feel good indie and now
Speaker 3: look it up. It might have a picture of a
Speaker 3: cat on the front. Mister Roosevelt is actually a cat.
Speaker 3: But it's about a girl who goes from La back
Speaker 3: to her hometown because the cat had passed away. She
Speaker 3: goes back to where she she sort of just walked
Speaker 3: out on her boyfriend. She goes back into that situation
Speaker 3: and he's found himself a new girlfriend. And it's just
Speaker 3: how they are in this situation and which yeah, they
Speaker 3: go back to Austin, right basically, uh, And it's just
Speaker 3: the silly, daft film, but you know, good funny. It's
Speaker 3: just one of those things that you just think you
Speaker 3: see the cover and you go, oh, yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 3: look like you know, but then you're like, wow, this
Speaker 3: is really nice and really funny and yeah and daft
Speaker 3: and it's just nice and nice film. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm going to check it out and check it and
Speaker 2: check out La La Land. It's the State Agents dancing around.
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