WEBVTT - Ep 44: Graham Coxon 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:20.520 Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.240 Hey, good evening, Midnight Campus. How are we all doing? 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:25.439 It? 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:30.200 Felt like spring has arrived here in London. I hope 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:34.360 it's wherever you are as well. It was a tropical 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:39.279 twelve degrees today, so things are looking up. Thank you 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.319 for joining us this evening for another rambling late night 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.200 conversation with a musician of our choosing. Before I get 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.960 into that, let's just address the elephant in the room 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.280 and the fact that there wasn't a podcast last week. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.400 We do apologize for this, but we have a good reason. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.720 Last week we finally relaunched Loud and Quiet magazine. It's 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.000 something we've been working on since the beginning of the 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.040 year and we just couldn't do both last week. Something 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.120 had to give and we had to get this issue done. 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.200 So that's why there wasn't a podcast. But the good 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.679 news is that the issue is done. It's out there. 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.119 We're feeling very smug about the way it's turned out. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.760 Please do check it out, especially if you're unaware of 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.720 that side of the things that we do releasing a 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.600 music magazine. You can find a stockist on loudon Quiet 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.039 dot com, where you can also order a copy or 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.600 a very popular thing to do right now would be 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:46.640 to subscribe so to the podcast. Then tonight's guest is 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.920 Graham Coxon, who, of course you know as the guitarist 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:54.600 from Blur as well as a solo musician in his 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:59.840 own right. But Graham recently scored his first TV show 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.480 on Netflix. It wasn't actually a Netflix original, I found out, 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.160 actually found out halfway through this chat with him. Originally 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.600 The End of the Fucking World was shown on Channel 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.080 four apparently, but you can now watch it in full 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.680 on Netflix. Eight episodes that all twenty minutes long. So 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:25.240 it's very watchable TV, and it is very dark and 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:30.600 funny and beautifully scored by Graham, the first piece of 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.079 film and TV work that he's done, and it sounds 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.240 like it won't be the last either. So Graham and 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:44.480 I speak about that about the Beatles, which seems to 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.480 be a recurring theme on the podcast, especially the subject 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:51.160 of is Paul McCartney good or a very embarrassing man? 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:56.919 And we also talk about box sets, Ryan Gosling and 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.960 driving in America. Now, well, the only thing that I 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.359 think I probably should do just before we get started 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.880 is mention a little bit about the End of the 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.080 fucking World. As I say, it's all on Netflix and 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.920 there's eight episodes in total, and they're all very short. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.079 But the story itself is something that we don't actually 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.760 mention during this podcast, so if you've not watched it, 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.000 you might be thinking, what the hell is this they're 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.600 talking about. So just to give you a very brief outline, 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:30.040 the End of the Fucking World is essentially a love 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.840 story about two misanthropic teens who go on the run, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:42.200 essentially played brilliantly by two British young actors Jessica Barden 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:47.640 and Alex Lutha, who are just total fucking weirdos throughout 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:52.680 the whole thing, but brilliantly done. And Graham's songs and 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:58.600 music is a key part to the whole thing. So yeah, 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.040 I'm pretty sure that's all you need to know. Please 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.800 do check out the issue of the magazine that is 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.000 out there now, so much great stuff in there, some 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.320 really good writing from our whole team of writers, as 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:14.040 an interview with Nicky Wire. There's the David Byrne cover feature. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.040 There's Lucy Dacus, There's what else is in there? There's 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:24.640 that band that I've just named after eight Stars. There 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:30.919 is a great rapper called Shirt. There is another great 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.920 rapper called key Dash. There's loads please do check it out. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.880 Laden Quiet dot com is where all that information will be. 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.240 And also we are just about to announce a new 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.120 podcast that we will be doing a live podcast series 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.920 which is coming very shortly, so please do check out 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.160 Adam quite for information on that. In the meantime, thank 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.960 you very much to Graham Coxon for coming by our 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.839 office in East London and having this very relaxed conversation 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.279 with me. We'll be back in another two weeks without 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:26.440 fail with episode forty five of Midnight Chats. You still 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:27.159 Camden based? 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:33.240 I'm around that area, yes, ye, North London, been there 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.960 for a long time now into the twenty odd years. Yeah. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.040 I like coming over this way though. It's like a 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:46.440 totally different place and changes and developed and always looks 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:52.239 different and more. Hackney Road is actually is where Blurted 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.920 started rehariting really just along here very very early days. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.560 Yeah, it was that up at Premises. Yeah was it 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.200 called premises, It's called the Premier. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.800 Says yeah, okay, yeah. We used to just sort of 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:07.400 just write and rehearse in there, so. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.760 I know some bands up there now. And did you 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.560 have like a room that was always yours that you 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.240 could keep all your stuff in and it was your 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.240 like base or did you have to just lug your 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.279 stuff there each time you wanted to rehearse. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.760 No, we didn't have that. We I mean we weren't. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:27.279 We were just rehearsing in between going to university and 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:32.400 stuff then, so we weren't anything. But luckily the boy 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.760 called Jason who worked there, he had the house VW 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.480 Van and he started to help us out, so he 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.320 would start to lug. He was sort of becoming a roadie, 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.040 and he stayed with us for years and years and 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.240 years and years the premises in the end and just 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.960 started to be at full time roady. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.479 I mean, this area must have changed a hell of 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.200 a lot since then. So what year was that would 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.640 have been like ninety. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.479 Yeah, eight nine, ninety it's changed a lot. It's a 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.280 lot more funnier graffiti rather than just scary graffiti. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.240 Yeah, yeah, a bit safer. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:08.800 Yeah. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.360 Yeah. You've been in Canada North for twenty years. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:13.920 In those days, I was living in Lucia. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.520 Do you envisage a time of leaving London at any point. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.040 I've tried living in the countryside and I went a 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.200 bit crazy. Whereabouts What did you try in the middle 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.480 of Kent, Okay, But you have to get in a 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.520 car to do anything. Yes, I quite like walking around 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.920 with some headphones on, and I like having a coffee 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:36.400 place within reach walking distance, not reach, you know, and 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.120 just just convenience. I quite like that a bit of 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.200 a creature of habit I do similar stuff every day, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.400 so I like being able to go to a reasonably 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.000 healthy place where you can get food and coffee and 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:52.480 whatever and browse around. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.200 I went to the Lake District on holiday last year 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.960 and what my wife and I had been taking for 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.600 granted is how eight places are open here because we 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.480 went to the pub and they'd closed the kitchen at 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:08.760 eight o'clock and we just missed it. And they were like, no, 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.920 there's no food now because we put and I say, 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.160 it's eight o'clock, but I need to give. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.640 You any cold food that. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.640 No, No, it was like five piles day. They were like, no, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.920 it's close. And that's the kind of thing I really 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.160 take for granted living in London. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:24.640 New London's coming over here. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.120 Yeah, I feel like I'm starting to get the itch 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.080 to meet. Well, I don't know. I don't know where 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:31.960 i'd move to. You know, that's the thing. I think, 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:33.600 like you, I'd feel like if I moved it into 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.960 the countryside, I would feel I'd feel a bit alone 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:37.679 and isolated. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.360 Yeah, I love it, and I love looking out on 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.480 fields and things like that, but then there's no distraction. 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:46.240 I like being out and about seeing things happen around me, 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.800 looking at people and getting the distraction and this distraction 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.160 from your own head, but also a little bit of 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:58.160 our inspiration from what's going on around you. And you know, 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.160 you get a bit BUCOLICI you're in the country all 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.360 the time. I mean, I've thought about where would I 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.920 go if I had to leave England and you know, 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.440 wear an America? Would I would I move to l 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.959 A or something. I like LA. But America is such 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.640 a nuthouse and at the moment, I don't know what. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:17.800 You know, it's a that's a tricky one too. But 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.920 I've got lots of friends there and I always enjoy 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.839 it out there. I get a bit sick of shorts 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:23.920 and T shirts. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.680 After a while, and you do have to drive everywhere 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.600 there as well. Yeah, that's cool though, is I've never 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:30.560 driven in America. 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.000 Well, you when I was out there last we hired. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.600 I hired this car. It was some they laughed at 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.600 me because it was just I think it was. It 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.840 was a soccer mom's car, kind of a mini. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.040 Van, okay, right, like a sliding door. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.120 Sliding door, but you know it was a flipping end. 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:55.480 Just huge engine, massive engine, and fitted everybody in and 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.440 all the cases and stuff. So I quite enjoyed rolling 0:09:58.480 --> 0:09:59.080 around in that. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.320 Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm actually going to California 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.520 on holiday this year to drive the do it the coast, 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.680 the Pacific coast time. All right, I'm going to get 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.719 a big one because I just feel like it's got 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:15.840 to be a big one, isn't it. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.079 Well the first time I did it, I was in 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:24.920 New York and I drove from New York from the 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.120 Greenwich Hotel out to the Hampton's and it was in 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.160 one of these huge, huge Fords, massive and it was 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.760 an x L, so it was even longer, you know, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:39.640 a massive four wheel drive thingy. And on the way back, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.200 I was had to zoom back to get back to 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.480 that hotel drop everybody off because they were going to 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.680 see a plate and I had to get back the 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.920 van back before a specific time, which is which was 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:59.800 back up towards the garden gardens the Madison Square and 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:05.120 it was hellish and I got stuck on this cross 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:09.080 section thing and they were like toddlers, the way American 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.720 New Yorkers drivers like toddlers. They don't care about anybody 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.400 else and they go into any gap. I was absolutely stuck. 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.079 And then there was this sort of topless bus right 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.319 and you know the tourists in the top, and he 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.920 started to turn left. I couldn't move. Someone had wedged 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.120 me in there, and the back of the bus swung 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.560 out and scraped all the way down the side of 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:35.120 this big truck thing I was driving. And the car 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.480 started jumping, jumping up and down, and nearly kind of 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.320 tipping side was my wingbury got smashed off, and everybody 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.840 on the top of the bus was looking down and 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.520 I had to and I just made it. It was 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.480 the most stressful day of my life, and I just 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.720 made it to drop the car, but I had to 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.640 show them that it was totally trashed. Then I had 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.000 to get a cab back to the hotel within a 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.679 certain amount of time at rush hour and it was 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.280 the most hellish day I've ever had. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.640 So what did they say when you kind of turned up? 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.920 You were so close with you like a few blocks away, 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.120 having returned it in one piece, and you turned it 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:08.320 up just smashed the ship. 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:12.800 Yeah, yeah, it just it was really really horrible. And 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:18.200 were they mad that happens? I guess that's sort of. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.680 I mean, it must happen, and it wasn't my fault, 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:26.880 And just it was crazy New York driving shower. I 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.079 would never experience anything so stressful. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.640 You're brave for taking it on. What were the Hamptons like? 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.720 That was really nice? It was it was it was 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.560 after we'd played out there, so it was just after 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.960 Halloween and there was loads of fields full of pumpkins. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.480 It was crazy. And we just went there and stayed 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:50.000 in this little house, his friend's house, and it was 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.960 kind of empty, just drove around, went to Mond Talk. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:59.400 I think that's where Louie sort of lived. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:01.160 He moved out there. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.199 It's right out to the very end. There's there's two places. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:08.680 There's Montalk and somewhere else. We went to and that, Yeah, 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.520 it's kind of nice. It was sort of rainy and 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.120 a bit cool by that point. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.880 Well, I've got some questions to ask you, specifically about 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.760 the end of the fucking world, all right, But yeah, 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.679 this morning I saw an announcement about this Beatles tribute band. 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.120 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm discussing that with me our 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:30.480 friend Jamie. Yeah yeah. So what's I've forgotten that I've 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.400 been Yeah, have. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.400 You forgotten about the fact that you've got to learn these? 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.959 Do you know these songs? So to explain to it 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.920 to anyone, because this has literally been announced this morning. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:46.160 I think it's for the Teenage Cancer Trust concerts that 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:50.040 go on here in London at the Royal Albert Hall. Yeah, 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.319 Roger Dultry and you're going to be in part of 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.880 is it Matt? It's Matt Bellamy's projects. He done this before. 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.840 I got the feeling from what I've heard he's done this. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.520 I've seen some gigs before where they've had various people 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:07.240 guesting on various famous people as well, guesting people singing. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:11.160 You know, even one of the Beatles did it. But 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.480 my old friend Jamie is the guitar player in there, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.080 and it's just some of his friends that he moved 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.560 to la and a few years ago, and so he's 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:24.000 one of my dear mates out there and he just 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:28.000 hangs out with these these guys were musicians, and I 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.320 think and they just were jamming around with the Beatles stuff, 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.840 I think. But but I think they're more interested in 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.680 the levery lever claud Hamburg style stuff, you know. So 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.120 I think it's got a bit of that tilt to it. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.560 And he said, well, we've got this show, you want 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.640 to do it? And yeah, I mean I know half 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.240 the songs anyway, and I'll be able to get me 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.880 old my old Cuban heels on again. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.520 Yeah. So it's going to be early Beatles stuff, is it. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:54.960 I think it's mostly early Yeah? 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:56.640 Sure? Did you grow up with the Beatles? 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:57.840 Yeah, it's my bible. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:00.280 So you just note. So if some I was to 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:01.520 say to you were going to put on a show 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.560 of Beatles covers, you don't even You're just like, I've 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.360 got it. You just know it, you just know. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.880 Most of it. Yeah, I did. I did. I did 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.760 the Abbey Road album in a pub in Clark And 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:18.480 with Robin Hitchcock and Mark Bedford from Madness and other people, 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.880 lots of people I forget now, h and that was good. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.800 That's a good one to do, Yeah, because and learn 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.239 all the lead parts to that and and it was fantastic. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.240 Loved it. But yeah, the beginning of Octopus's Gardens quite tricky, 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.080 but yeah, but it's this great fun. It's a brilliant 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.440 rat record. To play all the Beatles stuff is great fun. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.040 That's how I learned the guitar. You know the Beatles 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:47.120 complete open that and strum along all boxers? 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.000 Yeah? Is that the one with the psychedelic picture on 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:50.520 the front. 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.640 That's the other completely We had that one, and then 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.480 there was the one with the gold coins on, which 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.680 was the one on which was the one I was 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.160 after for a while because I think that they were 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.680 in the same key as the record. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.480 Yeah, and the other one isn't. Yeah. So who at 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.560 the show? Which Beatle will you be? 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.560 I don't know. There'll probably be more too more people 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.760 on stage than there were Beatles, so I'll probably have 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.240 to be a kind of I'll go with being a 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:18.240 sort of a George. 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:19.920 I guess was George or Beatle? 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:20.800 No? 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.120 No, did you have a Beatle? 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.920 They all melged into one beast really the Beatles for me, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.200 and that I didn't really you know they were they 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.720 were They were such an amazing mix of voices when 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.600 they were all singing. But I like Paul. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.520 We've got just down there. Yeah, we get some stick 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.000 for that. I seem to mention him every time I'm 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.520 on the podcast. Paul McCartney seems to be the recurring 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:45.680 theme of this podcast. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:47.640 I really what's wrong with Paul? 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.480 Because I feel like people I have a really loved Paul. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.000 If you're a Beatles fan, you obviously love Paul McCartney. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.040 But a lot of people thinking of that embarrassing dad 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.800 figure and they can't get over that. It's not cool 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.280 to like Paul for people of a certain. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:07.400 Some people who are very knowledgeable think the opposite. If 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.879 you talk to Svonius, he was says so different. I 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.639 I you know, Paul was actually the more avant garde 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:20.040 member of the Beatles throughout their you know, the mid sixties, 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.080 and he was exploring all the kind of culture. I think, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.440 but you know Paul's stuff. You know, my little girl, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.320 she responds to Paul's voice. She loves the Yellow Submarine 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.119 and she loves all those songs that are on that, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.760 and they spread over the Beatles whole career. So she 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.800 responds to his voice, and I suppose I did. They're very, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.399 very melodic. And later on I got into John Lenham Moore. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.400 I've got more interested in him as a man, as 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.240 a person, And I always sort of liked George, but 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.360 he was he was more of a private guy. Less 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.200 information about him, really, I suppose, and so and I 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.480 always thought Ringo was great drummer. And no problem of Ringo, 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.480 you know, saying whether Paul's cool or not in a 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.080 waste of time. I think it's just, you know, they 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.720 were all brilliant and then in that within that band, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.120 they all just they they all fitted together perfectly. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.440 So the end of the fucking world. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.719 Your first score, they call it a score, Yeah, call 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:21.240 it a score. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.200 Have you been offered them before and turned them down 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.719 or no? This is the just the first one that 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.280 kind of came up, and yeah, how was it as 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.240 a genuine experience, But it's. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:38.280 My main Matt He I got to know him. He 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.879 he grabbed me to write a tune for the end 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:47.040 of the Riot Club, right, which was the film about 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:51.760 the sort of yeah about that, and I wrote a 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:56.000 song for the end of that, and then this came up. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:57.959 He just thought I'd be really perfect for it. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:18:58.280 I think. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:03.320 I think the director Jonathan and Wessel really liked my 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.919 It was sort of a fan or whatever they exist, 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.919 and I just thought that would be great. And so 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.760 they asked me and they sent me some scripts, you know, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.720 stuff like that, and I was just like, yeah, I'll 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.760 do this. It seems like it would be a good, 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:21.840 good fun So. 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.360 Is that how it works? And they send you scripts 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.840 rather than footage or yeah. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.080 I got scripts first, and then eventually I got a 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.080 few ruffs of a couple of episodes, and then we 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.680 had a meeting. And the thing is the episodes will 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.919 have a tempt and for those who don't know what 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.359 that is, they put a song in behind the action 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.680 as a sort of an indicator as to what they're 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.160 you know, they think would be appropriate. 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.760 Oh so that so it's just kind of like just 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.920 like holding place. Yeah, they put a song in. Yeah, 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:51.639 and I'm guessing they could be songs that did you 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:53.239 know the songs were they like well known? 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.680 Yeah? Mostly at the end of the fucking world though, 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:02.680 it's got a lot of old fifties interesting songs on it, fifties, 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:07.159 early sixties. But then it's got my stuff but a 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.680 lot of my stuff it wasn't exactly written to. It 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.040 wasn't sort of like a soundtrack or scoring when it 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.119 was written to with the action in mind. Almost it 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:20.960 wasn't written to score to the action. So it doesn't 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.520 you know, no loudbits coincide with stressful action or you know, 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.480 none of that sort of thing. So I was kind 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.480 of thinking about what the tempts were and then being 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.679 inspired by the characters and the situation, and then I 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.080 tried to write songs that felt like they'd been there 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:42.280 for anyway, that they had been picked, rather like the temps. 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.800 So it was amazing practice for me because I had 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:54.160 to sort of genre hop decade hop, and I hadn't 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.719 been using DAWs and all the rest of it at 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:01.240 home for that long. So it was really great practice, 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.639 you know, seeing how I can do that, seeing how 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.720 I could do it on you know, go from sort 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:11.080 of early nineties a bit slackery whatever that's called slacker 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:15.440 sort of stuff, like early Beck kind of thing. I suppose, 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:19.399 sorry Beck slacker, but you know, as it's kind of 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:23.160 a loose genre, and then our late seventies and then 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:28.679 and then sort of cinematic, kind of very Valvy, Scott Walker, Stroke, 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.320 you know, Lee Hazelwood. Some people said a couple of 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.120 the songs were a bit like Lee Hazewood, but much 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:40.000 inspired by Scott Walker, and then and then and then 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:44.520 and then a little more sort of the sister album 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.600 by going Big Star, that kind of thing, Stroke ry 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.520 kuderish but more essexy. So there was a lot of 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.199 different things to explore, music to explore, and I was 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.960 like doing it, you know, going full full time on it. 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:01.080 Nine to six. 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.440 Can you remember what the original brief was when they 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:06.520 came to you and said we've got this thing. Did 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:10.280 they outline the story, the characters? How much kind of 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:11.760 information did they give you to go on? 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:14.679 And well, it went on a little bit about the story. 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:16.679 They didn't tell me what was going to happen. We 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:19.440 went over what was happening in the episode, how people 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.560 were feeling, and this is happening here, and we need 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.920 a theme maybe for these detectives and you know, these 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:29.320 two policemen and then they have a song here. If 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:31.480 we want something generally know, she's crying in this bit, 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.080