1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Two Pros and a cup of Joe. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady, Quinn, Jonas Knox with 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: you Hair. 4 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Coming up on this Wednesday edition. 5 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: We've got the usuals, We've got Petros pop at a 6 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: gas stopping by, We've got our midweek awards, and we've 7 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: got the leftovers. We're also going to talk about decisions 8 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: that were made. Some were very dumb, like Bill Belichick 9 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: not being a first ballot Hall of Famer. Others were 10 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: kind of puzzling, like why Joe Brady and what did 11 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: Josh Allen have to do with it all. The college 12 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: football schedule is starting to come out, the Big ten 13 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: schedules out and there's some things missing that you've seen 14 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: for years and years and years we will discuss. We'll 15 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: also talk about a return home for Mike McCarthy, who 16 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: was very emotional. And we've got the usual fun stuff. 17 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: It's all yours coming up next Here, Two Pros and 18 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: a cup of Joe on a Wednesday, Fox Sports Radio, 19 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: and we are often running on a Wednesday morning. It 20 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: is two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, 21 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: LaVar Arrington, Brady, Quinn, Jonas Knox with the Here you 22 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: can find us as always on the iHeartRadio app. You 23 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: can find us on hundreds of affiliate It's all across 24 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: the country. And if you're listening on the podcast, we 25 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: appreciate you doing so. We are going to be taking 26 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 2: you live here all the way up until nine am 27 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. And we got a question 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: right out of the gate for you. You ever wipe with 29 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: a piece of dry toilet paper and wondering is this 30 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: as good as it gets? 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I don't think 44 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: he was expecting that yesterday that we questionnaire. But he's 45 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: what it is, you know, seasons wrapping up. You know, 46 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: we're looking for all sorts of stuff, all kinds of material. Hey, 47 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 2: this is this is a fun one. Okay, how about this? 48 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: Bill Belichick did not receive enough votes to become a 49 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: first ballot Hall of Famer. He fell short of the 50 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: forty out of fifty needed for induction, sources told ESPN. 51 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: Belichick declined to comment, but reportedly was puzzled and disappointed. 52 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: But he did reportedly speak to an associate and say, 53 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: quote six super Bowls isn't enough? What does the guy 54 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: have to do? There are multiple sources who told ESPN 55 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: that Spygate, Intoflategate, the twin cheating scandals during the Patriots 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: championship run came up in deliberations. A voter who spoke 57 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: on condition of anonymity, said that Bill Pollion, who was 58 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: an ardent supporter of Robert Kraft, former GM of the 59 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: Bills and the Colts, he believed according to he told 60 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: some voters that he believed Belichick should quote wait a 61 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: year before induction. His penance for Spygate, the two thousand 62 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: and seven cheating scandal that cost the team a first 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: round draft pick, now should be noted. Bill Pullion was 64 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: reached out to by a couple of different reporters. He 65 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: told one he couldn't recall clearly whether or not he 66 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: voted for Belichick to get in or not, but was 67 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: pretty certain he did, and then told another one that 68 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: he was certain that he did. 69 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: So this whole thing is a clown show. 70 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 4: Is this the same bill that a first round great 71 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: on Tom Brady? 72 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: That's oh, that's correct. 73 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: Is this the same bill point that said Lamar Jacxis 74 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: should be a receiver running back? 75 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: Same same bill, Polly, Yeah, okay, yeah, just make it sure. 76 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: I think he also voted Shador into the Pro. 77 00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: Bowl, or thought he did. Yeah, he couldn't remember. I 78 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: don't know about you guys. 79 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: When I saw this, I thought to myself, we've gotten 80 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: to the point where maybe I'm wrong, but we've allowed 81 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: people to have power or hold up you know, these 82 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: sorts of things over a coach or player. And we've 83 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 4: seen it before, right, I mean, Tera Owens, same thing, 84 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 4: like he's had to wait or he had to wait. 85 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 4: But there's a number of guys that, like, you have 86 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 4: people who vote on this that I don't know. 87 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 5: This is one of those times. 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: When it makes you question everything in regards to who 89 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 4: is in control of certain measures of our sport. 90 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 5: Of the NFL. 91 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 4: I mean, how could you possibly now look at Bill 92 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 4: Belichick as on the Mount rushmore of coaches in NFL history, 93 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 4: despite some of the things that they've even mentioned, and 94 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: then allows someone with a vendetta that's over twenty years old. 95 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 4: I mean, when's the last time Bill Pullian was a 96 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 4: part of an organization. 97 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: It's been a while. I mean I haven't heard his 98 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: name in quite some time. 99 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 4: Man, Yet he held on to this vendetta for over 100 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 4: two decades. Like the last time I could think it 101 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 4: was like two thousand and seven. Like you have to 102 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: go back a long long time before there was actually 103 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 4: a direct impact on Bill Pullian facing Bill Belichick. And 104 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: maybe he's just being an unbiased, you know, arbiter saying, hey, 105 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: make a case against Bill Belichick because everyone thinks they 106 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: should be a first. 107 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 5: Ballt Hall of Famer. 108 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: But my thing is, this is a stain on the 109 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: entire procedure for the Hall of Fame. And this is 110 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 4: supposed to be I mean, this, this should have been 111 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 4: a shoe in. This should have been an easy one. 112 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 4: And and I'll go as far as saying this, if 113 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 4: they're gonna hold this against Bill Belichick, but. 114 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 5: Have they not? Have they held that against other like 115 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 5: Patriot players and people who are part of that. 116 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: I don't know, But what I will say is it's preposterous. 117 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: The man will arguably go down as the greatest coach 118 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 3: of all time. Now, people may want to debate on 119 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: different different planes, different different categories of reasoning, but Bill 120 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: Belichick had the most dominant outside of maybe the early 121 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers, you know he had, he had the 122 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: most dominant run of time as a head coach. It's 123 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: and even if it even if it wasn't that, even 124 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: if you could debate that someone is a better coach 125 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: than Bill Belichick, you have to debate that coach that's 126 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: the greatest of all time is better than Bill Belichick. 127 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 5: It's a debate. 128 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: So if that's a debate, then you tell me. 129 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: You tell me what is again, And I've always said this, 130 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: like for good or for bad, for deserving or not deserving, 131 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: what are the parameters? 132 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: What's the criteria for becoming a Hall of Famer? 133 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: Please, somebody help me understand it, because if Bill Belichick 134 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: is not a first ballot Hall of Famer just like 135 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 3: people were up in arms. I remember when what Warren 136 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: Satt was up in arms about Michael Strahan being a 137 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer. 138 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: I believe Mike was the first battlet. 139 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. 140 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: I believe they were like kind of a few people 141 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: were up in arms about him getting in. If you 142 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: want to debate, guys, Okay, he got the sack record, 143 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: he got a Super Bowl, But I don't think there 144 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: there's any debating whether you're a Hall of Famer, or 145 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: whether you're a voter, or whether you're a. 146 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: Fan, current player, current coach. 147 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: If Bill Belichick is not a first ballot Hall of Famer, 148 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: what is the standard a first ballot Hall of Famer 149 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: and stand that up next to Bill Belichick. 150 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: And see if it's that, If it remains valid, it's 151 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: a joke. 152 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 5: It's just. 153 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: Like these people who have agendas who get to control. 154 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: As Brady said, you know how you're looked at in 155 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: your career because they can't let go of the fact 156 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: that they got their ass whooped for a couple of decades. 157 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: So now they're going to get their get back, Like 158 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: this is our opportunity to get our get back. 159 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: It's a joke. 160 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: Tony Grossi, who out of Cleveland, sent the following tweet 161 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: out yesterday, said, as a member of the coach subcommittee 162 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: that advanced Belichick as a Hall of Fame finalist, I 163 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: am appalled at the leak and the result of the vote. 164 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 2: None of the fifty voters knew the result. I'll take 165 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: get a step further. How about we release the identity 166 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 2: of the voters who voted not. 167 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: To take them off, and take them off and like, yes, 168 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: you should be able to be fired in and replaced 169 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: as well, and as they irresponsible. 170 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: I think that's a great point. 171 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: And this happens a lot in boxing in MMA, when 172 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: there's a scorecard that's just egregious, they will sit them 173 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 2: down and be like, how did you come to this? 174 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: Like explain your decisioning so that we know that you, 175 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: like there's not other things going on here. I would 176 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: love to see I doubt it happens. I would love 177 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: to see the ten plus or eleven plus voters who 178 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: said that guy right there who's done something. No coach 179 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: has even come close to that guy right there is 180 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: not a first bout Hall of Famer. 181 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: I would love to see it come out. It's just ridiculous. 182 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 5: I also think when you hear the standds from Bill. 183 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 4: Pollyan, I mean, if he's being serious and he's saying, 184 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 4: you know, I'm not one hundred percent certain whether or 185 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: not maybe you're mentally competent. 186 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 5: May actually do that though yeah maybe not like like 187 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 5: that should actually call him to question. 188 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: You just voted on this, and for such a prestigious award, 189 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 4: for someone who's thought of. 190 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 5: So highly in Bill Pollian to be voting on this, you. 191 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: Can't one hundred percent remember who you voted for for 192 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: a moment that is legacy, like like for their legacy. 193 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 4: I think the hard thing too about this is even 194 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 4: for those people who feel like, hey, you know what 195 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 4: he did, she'd and you know you should have you 196 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 4: should have to be punished for this or he already was, 197 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 4: like he already served that that punishment for all of that. 198 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: And it's he's had multiple Hall of Fame careers as 199 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: as a head coach. I mean, this is over a 200 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 4: two decade span of dominance in the AFC East or 201 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 4: in the AFC and going to Super Bowls like one 202 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 4: six eight in total when the Giants as an assistant. 203 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: It's just it's crazy to me that there's certain people 204 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 4: and then this happens in baseball. 205 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 5: Too, you know, you know exactly, and that's our reaction. 206 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 4: It's hard because you have certain people who you know, 207 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 4: you used Vendetta, I used Vendetta. It's almost like though, 208 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 4: this is the power of the pen, this is what 209 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 4: they hold over the head of every player, coach. And 210 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 4: it bothers me in the sense of we have the 211 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 4: wrong people then determining who should get in. And even 212 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: more so the fact that, like this is part of 213 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 4: his legacy, and so at a moment when you know 214 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: that portion of his life is done, he's already been 215 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 4: punished for whatever mishaps he did have overcame it anyway, 216 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 4: when multiple supers after that, anyway, and you're still punishing 217 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 4: him for it. 218 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 5: Because how it impacted you. 219 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 4: Like I just I think we need to rethink all 220 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 4: of this, all of how we go about determining who 221 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 4: gets a chance, to determine who gets in, it's ridiculous. 222 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: I also the thing that and it's not to take 223 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: it a step into the morbid direction, but one of 224 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: the things that always bums me out is when people 225 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: are enshrined into a Hall of fame after they've passed 226 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: and they're not there to get to enjoy that moment, 227 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: especially when there's an opportunity to induct them earlier. They 228 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: haven't played games since then to make their case stronger. 229 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: And and I'm not trying to, you know, speak doom 230 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: and gloom on the whole thing. Belichick's seventy three, like 231 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: you know, like we don't know, like tomorrow's not guarantee 232 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: for anybody. And so the idea that you would want 233 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 2: to just mess with and is, you know, if this 234 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: report is true, and Don Van Natta was the guy 235 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: who reported on it, if it's true that you know, 236 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: Poleon was influencing people in the room to say, well, 237 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: he should have to wait a year, so wait, what 238 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: like that that's your punishment, Like what if something happens 239 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: in a year from now, Like what if something happens 240 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: in the next year and he's not there to get 241 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: to experience it or get to enjoy it. And it 242 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: was all because you knew he was a Hall of famer. 243 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: You're admitting he's a Hall of Famer, But no, no, no, no, no, 244 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 2: we gotta we got to slap his hand, We got 245 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: to punish him a little bit here make him wait 246 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: another year before we induct him into the Hall of Fame. 247 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: It just the this exposes and now I start to 248 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 2: wonder how many guys aren't in the Hall of Fame 249 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: because somebody does have an agenda against him. You mentioned 250 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: the Terrell Owen stuff. 251 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 5: That's an easy one. 252 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 2: Like there's there's there's a lot of There's probably a 253 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: lot of players who maybe aren't getting an opportunity to 254 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: be a Hall of Famer because maybe they were short 255 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: with a media member when they were doing a postgame 256 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: interview one time after a tough loss. Like now you 257 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: have to question everything like is this on the up 258 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: and up? Or did your feelings get hurt while you 259 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: were covering a player and now you're going to have 260 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: a red ass about it and then hold it against 261 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: him for the rest of their life. 262 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 5: It is a great question. 263 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: Again, I don't think there's any real way to justify it. 264 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: But doesn't it bring in the question now? I mean, 265 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 3: will it will craft be brought into the conversation? I mean, 266 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: and in some type of way if you're looking at 267 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: the silver lining of this, doesn't this now create pressure 268 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: to respect Bob Kraft? I mean, well, I'll say Robert. 269 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: I mean, my granddaddy's a Robert. 270 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 5: How do you how are you? 271 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 4: How are you going to put like Bill Belichick on 272 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: ice for a year before he gets in and not 273 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: for forced Robert Kraft away. I mean, honestly, you can 274 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: make the same case for Tom Brady, like like. 275 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 5: Where do you draw the line of who's gonna wait? 276 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 5: Because of this? 277 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 4: And I actually think it probably has more to do 278 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 4: with how he's handled the media than anything else. Like 279 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 4: I think because of his short manner and style and 280 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: dismiss siveness. 281 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 5: I think that's more what this is about than anything else. 282 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 5: Is people viewed him as a jerk, but he won, 283 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 5: so he could be however he wanted to be. 284 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: That's what it was, and that's what it is. Like that, 285 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: that's that's. 286 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 5: What it is. That's what this is because otherwise. 287 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: Otherwise you got to apply this same logic that Bill 288 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 4: Poyan and whatever else didn't vote for Bill Belichick to 289 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 4: every player, every defensive player that was a part of 290 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 4: the right, every offensive player, everyone who was a part 291 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 4: of it. 292 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 5: It should all be applied equally. 293 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: Then if that's the logic that you're using, because what 294 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: you're saying, Bill Belichick was a mass run. 295 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 5: Everyone was completed. Then you think the players of people 296 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 5: weren't going along with it. He was the whole thing. 297 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: And but see, but it was mean to me for 298 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: all these years. And now I'm going to get you back, Bill, 299 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 3: And you know what your get back, Your retribution is forever. 300 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: It's like you could get over. 301 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: You can see Bill Belichick at the Super Bowl, see 302 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: him out of unc game if he's still there, see 303 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: him around town with his chick and and you could 304 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: meet a different Bill Belichick and you don't get you 305 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: do not get to take this back. Like you could 306 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: be like, oh my god, Bill Belichick, You're like you're 307 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: really cool now, Like oh my gosh, Like were. 308 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 5: You always this guy? Like you're a really. 309 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: Good and then you're gonna walk away from Bill and you're. 310 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: Gonna be like, dang, like I was one of the 311 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: votes that kept him off of first ballot Hall of Famer. 312 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: That's an asterisk. 313 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: That's an And what's sad about it is it's an 314 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: asterisk for the Hall of Fame because you gotta you 315 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: gotta question the credibility. You have to there's no way 316 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: around questioning the validity and the credibility of the process 317 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 3: after this, there's no way. 318 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he gave short answers. 319 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's not like he's spitting somebody's face or 320 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, like stormed out of a proud I don't 321 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: remember Belichick ever storming out of a press conference. He 322 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: gave short answers. Okay, so he wasn't the most cooperative, 323 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: So that's gonna he was a hold ug. 324 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 3: Like they weren't just short answer all right, like they 325 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 3: were like, you're you're a dumb ass. 326 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, look that doesn't take away from the fact 327 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: that guy won three hundred something games in six Super 328 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: Bowl on that. 329 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm not going to beat you on that. 330 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 5: But he was mean to me. 331 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: What are we talking about here? Like THEO things? This 332 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: is like what's the is it Happy Gilmore? 333 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: Where the guys got a hit list of people he 334 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 2: wants to kill that were mean to him in school, 335 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: and then he crosses off at Billy called that guy, 336 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 2: and then he and then he puts lipstick on afterwards. 337 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: Its Bill Pully and putting lipstick on afterwards. 338 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: When Belichick finally gets it, he's like, Okay, now everything's fair. 339 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: Now that we're we're not even playing ground. It's I 340 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 2: don't get it, man. 341 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 4: It goes to show you too, how out of touch, 342 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 4: whether it's Bill Poynt or anyone else's with today's society 343 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 4: that you thought you could get away with this for you, 344 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 4: You thought you could like do whatever you did behind 345 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 4: the scenes to not allow the greatest coach in NFL 346 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: history to be rewarded for his accomplishments. 347 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 5: And it wasn't going to get out. 348 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 4: I mean, as much as they're trying to make this 349 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 4: damaging about Bill Belichick. 350 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: That's an interesting. 351 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 5: Actually this is more damaging about Bill Pollyan. It's a 352 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 5: coasting point. It comes off as petty and pathetic. 353 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 4: And by the way, I know the Poian family, like 354 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: I've played, you know, his son coached me, and it 355 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: is incredibly disappointing to think that a family that I've 356 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 4: always held in such high regard that he would act. 357 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 5: Like this and he would do this sort of thing. 358 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: That is that's a that's an interesting point. 359 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think that you have to have 360 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 3: the conversation of what you guys just stated, where do 361 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: you go from here? You know, you can't everybody not 362 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 3: like that's that's it. Should be the highest honor to 363 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: be able to decide who goes into the Hall of Fame, 364 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 3: the highest honor that you could have, and and to 365 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: take it and use it like this in this moment. Yeah, 366 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's a terrible look for football. 367 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 3: It's a terrible look for the Hall. And I don't 368 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: know if there's a hole. I hope they make it 369 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: right type of deal. I mean, you obviously probably have 370 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: to ride with what it is that you you've done 371 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 3: and decided, but man, if this would be one time 372 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: to be like, hey, pump the brakes, we got this 373 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 3: one wrong. 374 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: You know, let's let's let's walk this back. 375 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 3: Bill Belichick is going into the Hall of Fame on 376 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 3: the first ballot, because that's correct. 377 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 2: I mean, it makes me respect the College Football Hall 378 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: of Fame more because they didn't hold any grudges against 379 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: LeVar and he's a tyrant off the air, like I mean, 380 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: it's just like the things that he does and he. 381 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: Still got in because that took precedent. 382 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 5: Of style whatever else they I mean, you know. 383 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: Guy walking away, black man, guy walking around. 384 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: The double lung transplant and he's got he's got his 385 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: breathing machine on a cart in a field and the 386 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: var's got him in a dark. 387 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: I was already in the Hall of Fame when that happened, though, 388 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: I mean, hey, I'm just saying. 389 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it felt like you'd been there. 390 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 5: Yes, I believe, I don't think so. No, maybe not. 391 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I went in in twenty two. 392 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 3: When did this happen? Have we been around each other 393 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: this long? 394 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 5: Yes? Yes, it was at least the year. 395 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: Before and all that twenty twenty one. 396 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 5: It was when we started doing the show to go. 397 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: Did I do this in twenty twenty one? It looked 398 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: like you've done it many times before, But I think that, 399 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I think but you still got in. 400 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: That's hope. 401 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 5: People realized we're completely joking about that. 402 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: They don't screw you. 403 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, it was. 404 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 4: Here's the thing is, when you set the video, it 405 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 4: was almost like, I don't know why, like you didn't 406 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 4: think we believed you, or like we were we were 407 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 4: obviously we would have your back, but you felt the 408 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 4: need to set us the video. So because you said 409 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 4: the video, like we had to dig in, like there 410 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 4: was that. 411 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 5: Sort of involvement, like you had that sort of involvement 412 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 5: in the entire thing. 413 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: It's all good. 414 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed picking on me and it's time, 415 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: you know for those who listened to our sh don't. 416 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: Know you guys, you and it's if you picked on 417 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 4: yourself more, we wouldn't have to do it like that's 418 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 4: ll ya. 419 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: What I'm never going to pick on myself. No, No, 420 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: that ain't gonna happen. 421 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 5: It's got those positive affirmations, that's right. 422 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: Damn, that's what I will say. I'm not I wasn't 423 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: a first ballot Hall of Famer. I mean, twenty two it's. 424 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 4: Ten years after you're done playing college is when the 425 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 4: window opens. 426 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in the first ballot. That would have 427 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 3: been twenty ten. I mean some guys did not have 428 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 3: to wait at all, That's what I will say. And 429 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: some of them didn't even have nowhere near the careers 430 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: that some of us say. I'll give up the pros. 431 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. But you ain't 432 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: going to talk to me about college at all. You'd 433 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: keep my name out your mouth with college. Yeah. 434 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 4: Well, and here's what I'll say to you is you 435 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 4: probably hear that process and it may not be the 436 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: same process exactly as the Pro. 437 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 5: Football Hall of Fame, but you're privy to some of 438 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 5: those conversations. 439 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 4: And I would say this in the same light as 440 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: we're talking about the negative conversation for or about Bill Belichick. 441 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 5: Even at that level. In the college football Hall of Fame, 442 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 5: there's certain schools. 443 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 4: And I really sure have an agenda and they like 444 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 4: want to get their guy in. 445 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 5: And you're probably saying to yourself, like, this guy is, 446 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 5: you know, not a guy that you know was. 447 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 4: Playing at like the division one is high of a level, 448 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 4: like maybe not as much of a Hall of Fame, 449 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 4: But that's not always the initiative or that's not always 450 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 4: what it's about. So you know that guy gets in 451 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 4: even though it doesn't fall into category with who you 452 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: would say, Hey, I'm a Hall of Famer and I 453 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 4: don't know that if you this guys as a Hall 454 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: of famer, I'm saying, I. 455 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: Will say, it looks like they listen to my input. 456 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: I will say that, and I'll stay away from that. 457 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: But they listen. At least they listen when they ask 458 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: questions and ask for feedback on who and why they 459 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: They seem to listen. 460 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: It's like when you're talking about hot sauce, people should listen. 461 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: You know you think so, because well, when you talk 462 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 3: about hot sauce, which is interesting because we're gonna get 463 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 3: the pizza in two seconds as well, I'm put some 464 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: Louisiana hot sauce on there because it's the big game 465 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: and I'll be in Santa Clara and you know what, 466 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: it's in Santa Clara, and you know it's three of 467 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: us going to the game. 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Here he 518 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 2: was he demoted something along those lines, but nonetheless, Joe 519 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 2: Brady's been taken over the offense for a couple of 520 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: years now, and now he is the guy who gets 521 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: the gig full time to take over for Sean McDermott 522 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 2: after nine pretty successful years there in Buffalo. So congratulations, 523 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 2: Josh Allen got his guy. 524 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: So do you guys like it? 525 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 5: Let me let me just get this straight. 526 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 4: So we moved on from a coach and I'll keep 527 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 4: saying this, like he missed the playoffs once in nine years, 528 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 4: had the third highest active winning percentage of any coach 529 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 4: in the NFL fifteenth. 530 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 5: All time, to then hire the guy who is the OC. 531 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 4: After this whole interview process, which it feels like there's 532 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 4: a number of organizations where like I don't know that 533 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 4: this was your Plan A, or maybe even your Plan B. 534 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 4: Like I understand you wanted to pair Josh Allen with 535 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 4: an offensive mind, but. 536 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe I just thought. 537 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: This this process would happen maybe faster for Joe Brad 538 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: if he was indeed the guy they wanted all along, 539 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 4: And maybe maybe they had to play things out satisfy 540 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 4: the Rooney rule. 541 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 5: But I don't know. 542 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 4: It feels like maybe they missed on a few guys 543 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 4: and this is where they settled. 544 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 5: Because what are you really getting in this case? 545 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 4: You filed your head coach so you could promote your 546 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 4: general manager to a higher position and then hire oc 547 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 4: Like what change did they really make? There was no seriousness, 548 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 4: Like that's what I'm saying, Like, like what like, So 549 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 4: if you're a Bills fan, what makes you excited about this? 550 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 5: You now get a head coach who's got no head 551 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 5: coaching experience. 552 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 4: And I'm not saying Joe Brady's not gonna make a 553 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 4: good head coach or a great head coach. 554 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 5: It's just the decision that goes to annoint him. 555 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: Now it feels like one that kind of similar to 556 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 4: the Cowboys last year. You kind of settled on it, 557 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 4: like you couldn't find someone else who really maybe you 558 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 4: wanted or would make you more excited about it. And 559 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 4: I said this earlier this week, every single hiring and 560 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 4: not everyone's happy about Mike McCarthy. The guys won a 561 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 4: super Bowl, he's got a track record, he's got a 562 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 4: great history of winning in the NFL. And there's probably 563 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 4: some Pittsburgh Steels fans who aren't excited. So you're not 564 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 4: gonna make everyone happy. It just feels like, initially I 565 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 4: don't think this was plan A, maybe not even Plan 566 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 4: B of who they were trying to target to go after. 567 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: Let me ask you us a question. Clearly, Josh Allen 568 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: had influence on the hiring because he's spoken highly of 569 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: Joe Brady. The reports are he's been in all these 570 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: interviews with coaches before. So if he's got clear influence 571 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: on the hiring of the new coach, did he have 572 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: clear influence on the firing of the previous It's a. 573 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: Great question because that's what I was thinking. That's that's 574 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 3: kind of the lane I was sitting there. I was 575 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 3: thinking on like, you didn't hear you didn't hear Josh 576 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: Allen come out in any type of major defense against McDermott. 577 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: Like I just I wonder if if you need to 578 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: run it by him on who to hire, didn't you 579 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: need to run it by him on who to fire? 580 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 5: Like that? 581 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 2: That's the part I wonder because if Josh Allen would 582 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: have stepped up, and if they would have gone to 583 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: Josh Allen before and said, hey, we're thinking about making 584 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: a change, and he would have said no, no, no, no, no, 585 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: that's not what we need. We came up short, I 586 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: didn't play my best, etc. 587 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: Etc. They wouldn't have fired Sean McDermott, and. 588 00:29:54,400 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 3: You wouldn't have elevated your GM. It just sounds like 589 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 3: a wholesale selling of the blame on one person. 590 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, because if you think about it again, this 591 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: was the year. 592 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: You cannot tell me otherwise that this isn't the year 593 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 3: for Josh Allen to win a Super Bowl. The fact 594 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: that you came up short. You didn't even play in 595 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 3: the AFC Championship game. 596 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: You didn't even make it to the championship game. 597 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: The fact that you came up so short, someone was 598 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: to blame somebody, as Chris Carter would say, somebody had 599 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 3: to be your fall guy. Everybody gotta have one. Y'all 600 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 3: got a crew, okay, and this Bill's crew, the Bill's 601 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: Mafia used McDermott as their fall guy because there's no 602 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: other way to explain. Okay, now it makes a little 603 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: bit more sense. You got the owner sticking up for 604 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: the GM. You got the GM getting elevated to another position. 605 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: You got one guy that lost his job, the hey 606 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: guy loses his job, and then you promote from within, 607 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 3: which that was their deal. You said they wanted to 608 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 3: decatisfy the Brady the Brady rule. 609 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 5: You want to decidify the just. 610 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: Making Brady rule, the Rudy rule, Right, Brady. Only only 611 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: Irish people get it. 612 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 3: They were intending to elevate Brady the entire time. 613 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 5: It's just too many Brady's. 614 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: How many Brady's like there are like and the fact 615 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 3: that we worked with Q it's a lot of Brady's 616 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 3: that be hit me. 617 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 5: So it's really not like going up. 618 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 4: I was the only one I had ever met or 619 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 4: really knew as far as first name. 620 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 5: And then there was Tom obviously who everyone knew us Joe, 621 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 5: you know, Yeah, but then there's Kyle Brady's. 622 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 3: Like thirty, and then there's the Brady's Like then there's 623 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: the Brady b Union. 624 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Brady Bunch. People knew them. 625 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a lot of Brady out but man. 626 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 5: That was their last name. 627 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: Though I know a thousand VARs, so many exactly, you 628 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: know what's crazy. There were at least two other Levars 629 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 3: in the league when I was in the league, no kidding, Yeah, 630 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 3: one from I want to say North Carolina State and 631 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 3: it was in North Carolina State. 632 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: Or what's the wolf Pack? What's What's what's. 633 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: The North North Carolina State? Okay, And then there was 634 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 3: another one from Iowa. I think one was LeVar Woods 635 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 3: and one was LeVar Fisher. I want to say, anyways, 636 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 3: which would be more than more than Brady's. You know 637 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 3: how many Bradys were in the league. 638 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: On Pro Football Reference, I just typed in LeVar and 639 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: I've got LeVar Arrington, LeVar Edwards, LeVar Glover, LeVar Glover. Yeah, 640 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: no relation to Danny. 641 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 3: I thought it was Leroy. But okay, die Hard baby 642 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 3: play two games? 643 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: Wasn't was he no? 644 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: Lethal weapon? Lethal weapon? That was the other one. He 645 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: was day, Well, you got them roll for a reason. 646 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: That was Areditor too. That was a right, you're stupid. 647 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 3: Anyway, back to the original point, Jonas, I think you're 648 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 3: spot on. 649 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: Did Josh Allen get Sean McDermott fired? I think there's 650 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 2: collusion going on here? And and so what they're the bills? 651 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: GLA was going to make the decision? Your your who's 652 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: the GM? What's his name again? 653 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 5: Bean Bean? Bean? Yeah? Bean was right? Bean was keeping. 654 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. This probably stems all the 655 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 3: way back to preseason. It probably goes into training. Cant 656 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: like this is our year, this is our year. You 657 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 3: built it up to be that. You gotta be explaining 658 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 3: during the course of the season how things are going 659 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 3: to the ownership being probably did an amazing job, excellent 660 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: job of showing what this team's trajectory was, where they 661 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 3: were going, what their performance should be when they did 662 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 3: not deliver. It was already mapped out, It was already 663 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 3: set up. If it goes this way, great, we keep going. 664 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 3: If it doesn't go this way, here's plan B. If 665 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: plan B doesn't work, here's plan See, they probably had 666 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 3: all of this ready to go. 667 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 5: Anyway. 668 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: Do you guys think they fired McDermott before talking to 669 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 2: Josh Allen. I mean, I find it hard to believe 670 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 2: they would make a move and it. 671 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 5: Will hold on for a second. We're kind of getting 672 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 5: out here on this like there is let's go. There 673 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 5: is an element of let's go, let's go out. There 674 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 5: is an element of we don't have a ton of time. 675 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 5: There's an element of that. 676 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 4: Terry Pegoula, if he opens the Pandora's box of you 677 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 4: know again, and you can make the correlation to if 678 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 4: you're gonna let Josh Allen be a part of the 679 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 4: hiring process, then yeah, you're probably asking his opinion of 680 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 4: certain people getting fired too. However, I think it's a 681 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 4: bad president to set as an owner and on top 682 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 4: of that, you know, how does that go? 683 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 5: After their last game? 684 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 4: He calls Josh or pulls him aside and has a 685 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 4: private meeting with him, and the next thing you know, 686 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 4: mcdermotc getting clipped. 687 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 5: Like I don't know that i'd want that. 688 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 4: Weight as a player too, Like, as much as you 689 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 4: want to be involved in some of the decisions because 690 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 4: it ultimately impacts your legacy, I also don't know that 691 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 4: you want to be involved with that. 692 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 3: So but you know, casual conversations with their players though, 693 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 3: especially the ones that they like, probably, But I think. 694 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 4: If you're a player and you're like, hey, man, I 695 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 4: don't want to be responsible for getting that guy can 696 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 4: no family moving owner? 697 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 3: What if you were talking to ownership and you're you're 698 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 3: this type of guy too, They're gonna be. 699 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: Like, hey, Brady, how you doing. You're gonna be like, hey, 700 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: how you doing, Bud? 701 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 5: Everything good? Yeah, you're good, Yeah, everything's good. 702 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: How are you liking your coach? 703 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 3: Oh, he's amazing, And you're going to give information as 704 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 3: to why he's an amazing coach, and that's going to 705 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: be a part of y'all's exchange. They might have been 706 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 3: information gathering off off of him. It could have been 707 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 3: as simple as that, how do you like Joe Brady 708 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 3: or how do you like your guy? 709 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 5: Like? Like, are you enjoying working with him? 710 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 2: This? 711 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: That, and the other. They could have asked the same 712 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: thing about McDermott. 713 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 5: There's a strong possibility. 714 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 3: That Josh Allen could have been the reason why they 715 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 3: kept McDermott as well. 716 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 4: Kid, when we go back, When we come back, can 717 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 4: I give you an alternative to what I think actually happened? 718 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 3: Come on, let's keep it going, man splays, in case 719 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 3: you miss is going to have to go into another 720 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 3: another round. 721 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: All right, So here's a game day tip. 722 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 2: Order pizza out before the QB shouts the first hunt, 723 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: and if you're hungry, the big New Yorker's got those 724 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 2: giant ultiple slices and right now it's just ten bucks, 725 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: the biggest pizza for the biggest games. 726 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: Only at Pizza Hut. 727 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 2: All right, it's coming up next here, we're going to 728 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: do a deeper dive into this hole. 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Just search two pros FSR 748 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 2: and subscribe. All right, So before we went to break, 749 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 2: we were discussing whether or not Josh Allen got Sean 750 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 2: McDermott fired, and so just kind of kicking it, kicking 751 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 2: things around and talking about the Joe Brady hiring and 752 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 2: sort of what influenced Josh Allen at on the firing 753 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 2: and the hiring, and Brady Quinn you were saying something 754 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 2: before we had to take a quick break there. 755 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 4: So yeah, So I actually don't think this has anything 756 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 4: to do with Josh Allen getting McDermott fired. I think 757 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 4: I had to do more with maybe Joe Brady, who 758 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 4: you know, look as head coach, got fired. So there's 759 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 4: nothing that necessarily keeps him on there in Buffalo interviewing 760 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 4: for not only head coaching jobs but also offensive coordinator 761 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 4: jobs for this upcoming season. And I think if you 762 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 4: look at the musical chairs that currently exist and the 763 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 4: fact that there are some vacancies still out there, there 764 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 4: was probably the leverage from Joe Brady and his agent 765 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 4: that if you don't give me this job, I've got 766 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 4: to move on with what I know is one hundred 767 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 4: percent going to happen for me, whether that be their 768 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 4: Cardinals head coaching position, whether that be maybe he was 769 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 4: the first candidate for the Titans offense coordinator position, not 770 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 4: Brian Dable. I don't know all the specifics to it, 771 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 4: but I think that likelihood of Joe Brady actually leveraging 772 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 4: it and saying, if you don't hire me. I've got 773 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 4: to go. I've got to take this other opportunity. And 774 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 4: I think that probably is what happened. More so than 775 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 4: the theory you're thrown out about Josh Allen and the 776 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 4: rest of this. 777 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,919 Speaker 2: Well, I just wonder would they really make the move 778 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 2: without talking to their superstar before doing it, Like would 779 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 2: they really make the move to just walk in and 780 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 2: be like, hey, we're going to fire our head coach 781 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 2: before talking to our best player. 782 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 4: I think you've got to make those decisions independently of 783 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 4: that player, because that player is not always going to 784 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 4: be there. 785 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, but that coach I ain't always going to 786 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 3: be there. 787 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,439 Speaker 5: Looks of it. But as an owner, if you start 788 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 5: doing it that way, it becomes kind of, yeah, you 789 00:39:59,239 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 5: don't want that. 790 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 3: You don't want that. You definitely don't want that. So 791 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's it's pretty I would lean 792 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 3: towards the idea that it isn't on. It wasn't on 793 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 3: Josh Allen, But you gotta believe that them not getting 794 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 3: it this year was I mean, somebody had hell to 795 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 3: pay for it. You just can't. There's no way to 796 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 3: justify it any other way. And I you know, but 797 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 3: how much of us say That's what's curious to me. 798 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 3: I wonder if it'll ever come out, how much of 799 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 3: us say, did maybe Josh Allen have Well. 800 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,720 Speaker 4: If it does come out, you know, he may forget 801 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 4: if you one hundred percent was for or against it 802 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 4: said to keep him. 803 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 5: Hired or fire, that's a good point. Might not be 804 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 5: able to recall. 805 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 2: I mean, Polon did spend a lot of time in Buffalo, 806 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 2: so maybe it's there's something in the water out there. 807 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 3: You know, maybe he could have had a big bullet 808 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 3: chili for lunch. You know, sometimes it makes you, uh, 809 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 3: they could have stood up the white. 810 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's unfortunate. God, I really wish we could get 811 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 2: the names of those people who didn't vote Belichick, and 812 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 2: I really do. But you know, it seems like that's uh, 813 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 2: it's gonna be uh. 814 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 3: I mean, if there's no consequence to you doing something 815 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 3: like this, then you'll always do dumb stuff like this. 816 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 3: I mean, they make it a point to talk about 817 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 3: our paychecks and stuff like that, talk about who's making 818 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 3: the votes. 819 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: I want to know, we the people want to know. 820 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, yeah about it.