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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you

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Speaker 2: along with Mark. Anthony. Mark's website is afterlifefrequency dot com

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Speaker 2: linked up at Coast tocoastam dot com.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 2: There are many, many religions. What do they feel about reincarnation?

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Speaker 2: Some do, some don't, don't they.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, George Normally, when we think about reincarnation, that draws

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Speaker 3: us to India, which is the home to Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism,

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Speaker 3: and Buddhism. They all originated there and all of those

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Speaker 3: belief systems embrace reincarnation as a basic tenet of those faiths.

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Speaker 3: But the Dali Lama has said that reincarnation isn't just

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Speaker 3: a Hindu or Buddhist concept, but rather part of the

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Speaker 3: history of human origin. And according to Pew Research, and

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Speaker 3: let me see, there's two organizations few research, the Global

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Speaker 3: Research Society excuse me three and the Institute for Social Research,

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Speaker 3: fifty one percent of the world's people now believe in reincarnation,

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Speaker 3: including thirty three percent of Americans. That's huge, that is huge,

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Speaker 3: and this includes countries where the religions that are dominant

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Speaker 3: there reject reincarnation. But the thing is, when you start

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Speaker 3: studying theology, I've noticed, along with several other scholars, that

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Speaker 3: reincarnation is at the root of all the religions. In Judaism,

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Speaker 3: there are references such as in Jacob's Ladder. Now, Jacob's Ladder,

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Speaker 3: which is in Genesis twenty eight, is one of the

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Speaker 3: most mysterious and mystical and studied passages in scripture. Very briefly,

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Speaker 3: Jacob was a prophet and he laid down and he

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Speaker 3: had a dream where he saw the original staoids Heaven. Basically,

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Speaker 3: you saw this this ladder with angels ascending and descending

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Speaker 3: between Heaven and Earth and an unending procession. And the

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Speaker 3: interpretations of Jacob's Ladder have been ongoing since ancient times,

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Speaker 3: and one of the interpretations by Kabbalist scribes, a progressive Christians,

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Speaker 3: and certainly Hinduism Buddhists is that the ascending and descending

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Speaker 3: angels are representative of the cycle of spirits descending from

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Speaker 3: the spirit realm, which is Heaven, to Earth and then

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Speaker 3: back again. So it is believed that this could be

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Speaker 3: a reference to reincarnation. Now I know there's people who

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Speaker 3: disagree with that. I'm just telling you what's one of

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Speaker 3: the many metaphors of Jacob's Ladder as Another one is

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Speaker 3: that there's the timelessness of time, that there's an interconnectedness

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Speaker 3: between heaven and Earth and course of reincarnation. So that's

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Speaker 3: a very very fascinating passage. But George, there's also it

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Speaker 3: is believed references to reincarnation in Christianity in the Bible,

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Speaker 3: that is correct. And in the early centuries of Christianity

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Speaker 3: there were several different schools of thought, and one of

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Speaker 3: them was by Origin of Alexandria. An Origin of Alexandria

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Speaker 3: and what he taught was that all souls lived through

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Speaker 3: multiple ages in a succession of lifetimes, and all spirits,

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Speaker 3: including Satan, would eventually work their way up to a

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Speaker 3: higher level and be reunited with God. And so this

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Speaker 3: was one of the early schools of thought in Christianity.

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Speaker 3: Origin lived in the early third century and by the

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Speaker 3: By the next century, the Emperor Constantine called the Council

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Speaker 3: of Nicia, and in the Council of Nicia. It was

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Speaker 3: the Bible was codified. In other words, you know, Constantine

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Speaker 3: Most of the people in the empire were Christian, and

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Speaker 3: to as the Byzantine Empire. The emperor there, Justinian Justinian

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Speaker 3: the Great, called fourth the Fifth Ecumenical Council, and at

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Speaker 3: the Fifth Ecumenical Council, reincarnation was officially banned. It was

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Speaker 3: declared as heresy and put off to the side. However,

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Speaker 3: it is believed that a number of passages still survive

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Speaker 3: the editing process, one of which is is Jacob's Ladder

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Speaker 3: in the Old Testament. The other one is the Transfiguration

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Speaker 3: now George. The Transfiguration is also one of the most

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Speaker 3: and Elijah appear on either side of him. Fascinating because

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Speaker 3: Moses was the bringer of the law according to Jewish tradition,

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Speaker 3: Christian tradition, Jesus was the embodiment of the law. Well,

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Speaker 3: do you say that I am? And the disciples say, well, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, some say that that you're the prophet Elijah,

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Speaker 3: disciples asked, why do the teachers the law say Elijah

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Speaker 3: that Jesus lived eight hundred years after the prophet Elijah,

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Speaker 2: Did they pave the way for Jesus?

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Speaker 3: Yes they did, Yes they did. And then Jesus replies,

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Speaker 3: He's basically said in Matthew eleven, to be sure, Elijah

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Speaker 3: Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him,

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Speaker 3: same way. The son of Man, meaning Jesus, is going

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Speaker 3: to suffer at their hands. Then it says in Matthew thirteen.

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Speaker 3: have examined this passage very closely. Basically, what Jesus is

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Speaker 3: saying is Elijah has already come, but he appeared as

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Speaker 3: a reference that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of

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Speaker 3: the prophet Elijah, who lived eight hundred years before. Once again,

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Speaker 3: I realized this is going to be very controversial for

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Speaker 3: a lot of people. And I'm not telling you that

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with them?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you know, John the Baptist was

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Speaker 3: Elijah reincarnated, but it does appear that incarnation is referenced

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Speaker 3: The transfiguration is considered one of the most, like I said,

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Speaker 3: I've seen several so called physical mediums, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: Do you believe Mark, that all of us have reincarnated

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Speaker 3: I do, I do, and and I've done readings George

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Speaker 3: for over fifteen thousand people, and very often the question

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Speaker 3: of reincarnation comes up, and I don't do reincarnation readings.

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Speaker 3: And talents that people seem to naturally possess. I mean

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Speaker 3: at at Edgar Casey Reincarnation Summit. When you have four

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Speaker 3: extramarital affairs. Now this is a little kid, okay, this

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Speaker 3: Ian Stevenson, yeah at the Division of Perceptual studies at

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Speaker 3: the University of Virginia applied the scientific method to analyzing

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Speaker 3: cases of reincarnation. We call them court case of reincarnation type,

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Speaker 3: and Stevenson focused on children, children toddlers that started recalling

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Speaker 3: prior lives. He studied over twenty five hundred of these cases.

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Speaker 3: He avoided religious discussion. He's stuck strictly to science. After

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Speaker 3: he passed, doctor James Tucker took up his role. And

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Speaker 3: the case studies that I have examined are just fast,

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Speaker 3: just fat. There's so many. I mean, we could spend

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Speaker 3: an entire week just talking about the case studies and

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Speaker 3: reincarnation because now they're being documented in a way that

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Speaker 3: they never have before.

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