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Speaker 2: So if the school has a sponsor, the player can't

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Speaker 3: Boom it just people don't say that out loud. That's

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Speaker 3: why I'm here.

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Speaker 4: So a school like Michigan, I'm assuming.

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Speaker 3: They have their their Nike schools.

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Speaker 2: Now, you can't you can't be a quarterback and have

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Speaker 2: a Nike sponsorship. Because Nike is already sponsored.

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Speaker 3: You can be no, you can be the quarterback and

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Speaker 3: wear Nike for free. You can't get paid, or you

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Speaker 3: can't wear nothing else. If this was if nil was

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Speaker 3: supposed to represent a true market value, that means when

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Speaker 3: you go to a college, you should be able to

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Speaker 3: wear whatever shoes that's paying you, not the shoe that

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Speaker 5: My graduates from my school being forced back drop drop, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Drop back drop. All right, all right, guys, welcome back

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Speaker 2: EYL Detroit Edition. So this is something.

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Speaker 4: What about I didn't have a proper introduction.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to get into it. This is something that

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Speaker 2: is very important to both of us. So before we

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Speaker 2: I started crying because it was real emotional for me

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Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate the support. And the crazy thing about

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Speaker 3: All American Game. Juwan and committed, Jimmy committed. Ray committed

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Speaker 3: That wasn't my number in high school. I knew we

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Speaker 2: It's little things that people don't even realize that it's

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Speaker 2: bringing back so many memories for me. Like when you

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Speaker 2: And I'm from New York, so it was like old eyes.

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Speaker 3: They were after us.

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Speaker 2: They went too far. But it was like little things

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Speaker 3: so I can wear my hair the way I want

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Speaker 3: I got braids, I have twists like that happens. The

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Speaker 3: Because we were trying to be comfortable, we didn't realize

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Speaker 3: But I'm not wearing no small shit. He had him

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Speaker 3: That's like soft porn, like for real, for real, we're

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Speaker 4: Y'all made the basketball sneakers.

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Speaker 3: They ain't came back four times back with boxes of shoes,

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Speaker 3: like I don't even have to make this up like

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Speaker 3: And so imagine if we would have been able to

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Speaker 3: trademark socks that were black. When we went to the mall,

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Speaker 3: they didn't even have five pairs of black socks in

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Speaker 4: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So if we got a dollar for every time somebody

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Speaker 6: All I want in high school we played boways on

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Speaker 6: black socks. Correct, But it stems from y'all, Doug. We

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Speaker 6: So but I mean John Thompson obviously resident peace legendary

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about this. So you in il name

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Speaker 3: The number one word is greed that I have. I'm

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Speaker 4: Terms and conditions apply.

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Speaker 3: But I want to set the table with this acknowledgment.

449
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Speaker 3: The sports that are predominantly black are the ones that

450
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Speaker 3: once you get into them, the goal is for you

451
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Speaker 3: to feed the system and help the system make as

452
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 3: much money as possible before you profit. Basketball and football,

453
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Speaker 3: predominantly black sports, are the main ones with restrictions after

454
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Speaker 3: high school. For a while it had dress code, had

455
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Speaker 3: salary cap, couldn't small weed, had a length of contracts

456
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Speaker 3: like in baseball you can sign a ten year deal,

457
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Speaker 3: and hockey you can sign a nine year deal. Canan

458
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Speaker 3: basketball and tennis and golf. In NASCAR, you can turn

459
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Speaker 3: pro after high school. Canan basketball and football. They're going

460
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Speaker 3: to force us and this is a residue of slavery,

461
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Speaker 3: That's what it is. They're going to force you to

462
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Speaker 3: feed and pay the system as long as possible when

463
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Speaker 3: you graduate from high school. There's so many players that

464
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Speaker 3: shown you can go to the league and be successful.

465
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Speaker 3: Kobe kg Jo, Darryl Dawkins, Spencer Haywood, the originator, Ron James,

466
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Speaker 3: so team at So there's evidence, concrete evidence that Hall

467
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Speaker 3: of Fame players can go from high school to the

468
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Speaker 3: pros's twenty twenty two. Now, that's bang why they want

469
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Speaker 3: you to feed the system. Same with the NFL. So

470
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Speaker 3: what happens with the NIL is right now. JEEP is

471
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Speaker 3: a sponsor of JRLA Puma is a sponsor, MGM is

472
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Speaker 3: a sponsor. If I went to Michigan right now, they

473
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Speaker 3: wouldn't let me have them a sponsors because it conflicts

474
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Speaker 3: with what they already have. So now you're just getting

475
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Speaker 3: like the residue.

476
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Speaker 2: Explain that. Explain it. So if the school has a sponsor,

477
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 2: the player can't have that same sponsor.

478
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Speaker 3: Boom it just people don't say that out loud. That's

479
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Speaker 3: why I'm here.

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Speaker 4: So a school like Michigan, I'm assuming.

481
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Speaker 3: They have their their Nike schools.

482
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Speaker 2: Now you can't you can't be a quarterback and have

483
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Speaker 2: a Nike sponsorship because Nikes already sponsored you.

484
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Speaker 3: Can be No, you could be the quarterback and we're

485
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Speaker 3: Nike for free. You can't get paid or you can't

486
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Speaker 3: wear nothing else. So let's see if this is a

487
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 3: If this was if nil was supposed to represent a

488
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Speaker 3: true market value, that means when you go to a college,

489
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Speaker 3: you should be able to wear whatever shoes that's paying you,

490
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Speaker 3: not the shoe that has a contract with the school.

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Speaker 6: Right so the Nike school, you can't have an ADIDA

492
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Speaker 6: athlete or even like if it's school like Michigan, hypothetically

493
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Speaker 6: for it, it's huge in Michigan, right, they're not doing

494
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Speaker 6: anything with Chrysler.

495
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: No. So say the school has a deal with a network,

496
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Speaker 3: and I have a deal with a network, they're gonna

497
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Speaker 3: try to make me get rid of my deal before

498
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Speaker 3: I signed. There's some fine print in your letter of

499
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Speaker 3: intent that basically acknowledges whatever things that happen with the school,

500
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Speaker 3: whatever sponsors happen with the school, whatever sponsors happen with

501
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Speaker 3: the program, you're required to support that. So that's why

502
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Speaker 3: you're not seeing major collegiate athletes getting paid off of nil,

503
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Speaker 3: because the schools ain't giving up their relationship. So the

504
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Speaker 3: example we just used, say Michigan has a deal with Nike,

505
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Speaker 3: and Nike's gonna pay them fifty million dollars a year

506
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Speaker 3: or whatever, and you're trying to get the number one

507
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Speaker 3: player in the car. You're trying to get Bronnie James

508
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Speaker 3: to come there. Hypothetically, he ain't choosing no school for

509
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Speaker 3: no money. I'm just using him as an example, and

510
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Speaker 3: say the deal is fifty million dollars. Nike don't care

511
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Speaker 3: if you give Brownie five. They don't care, but they

512
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Speaker 3: gonna give you forty five, and you gonna give him five.

513
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Speaker 3: The deal is still fifty. That's the difference. The school

514
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Speaker 3: ain't gonna cut into their bread to make sure you

515
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Speaker 3: get paid.

516
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Speaker 4: So that's what's going on the that makes my life.

517
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Speaker 3: That's why nobody getting paid.

518
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Speaker 2: That's why nobody has like a Nike sponsorship. You only

519
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Speaker 2: see no players with like Nike deals.

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Speaker 3: You have not seen players get real deals.

521
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Speaker 4: It's like random.

522
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Speaker 2: So the quarterback, the quarterback at Alabama that had like

523
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Speaker 2: he's not.

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Speaker 6: Even the highest, but he's seven hundred and forty four thousand.

525
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Speaker 6: But arch arch Man, it's like random company. So it'll

526
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Speaker 6: be like a phone company that's that's local or something,

527
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Speaker 6: heating and cooling exactly arch Man, he's getting three point

528
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Speaker 6: four million.

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Speaker 4: Say that name allowed exactly what we know that. I

530
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Speaker 4: was gonna say his name?

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Speaker 2: Okay, who's he getting three point four million from?

532
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Speaker 4: They just announced it.

533
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Speaker 2: He's a text the youngest brother.

534
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Speaker 4: He's the nephew of paying man.

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Speaker 2: My nephew. Yeah, he's a quarterback in Texas.

536
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Speaker 6: He's going to be correct and say that name again,

537
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Speaker 6: that last name for so both names.

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Speaker 2: His name is Archie Man, right.

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00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: Both exactly exactly. So they can send some emails and

540
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Speaker 3: some texts, right, to make sure that he's gonna get

541
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Speaker 3: taken care. That's one person.

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Speaker 2: So you're not a fan of the nil.

543
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Speaker 3: I'm a fan of it existing. I'm know it's not

544
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Speaker 3: going to have the impact that it should because we institute.

545
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: We had a shoe, there was a fab five shoe

546
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Speaker 3: called the Hirachi that truly exists. That's a living, breathing thing.

547
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: There's licensing for shorts, there's licensing for socks. Like if

548
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: we would have been able to profit off of that,

549
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Speaker 3: in particular players like Ray and Jimmy who didn't have

550
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Speaker 3: long NBA careers, they would be millionaires off of that residuals. Correct,

551
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Speaker 3: And so now you graduate the idea and again it's

552
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Speaker 3: a it's it's almost a Jedi mind trick to somebody

553
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Speaker 3: that lived the game and know the game. So the

554
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Speaker 3: rest of the world celebrated and ill yes, Rah, you

555
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Speaker 3: don't see nobody getting nothing.

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Speaker 2: And it's crazy too because it's like I used to

557
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Speaker 2: play D one for a couple of years. So when

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Speaker 2: the game was out, what was it, two K to.

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Speaker 3: The basketball game March Madness, I don't remember being on.

560
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Speaker 2: That used to I never played video game, but he

561
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Speaker 2: used to play. He used to play with my character,

562
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Speaker 2: so I thought it was.

563
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Speaker 4: What a real brother does.

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Speaker 6: I almost well with this team. But even though he's

565
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Speaker 6: rated seventies all of the shots and.

566
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Speaker 2: There, I was a bad rating. But I just thought

567
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Speaker 2: it was cool just to have a character in a

568
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Speaker 2: video game. I wasn't. I'm in college, you know what

569
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Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm like, this is dope that I'm actually

570
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Speaker 2: in a video game. And then when I believe it

571
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Speaker 2: was ed O bandon right, they sued and then they

572
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Speaker 2: want and then I actually got a check. I think

573
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Speaker 2: I got a checked like three four thousand dollars later on,

574
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: but long story short, I was part of a class

575
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Speaker 2: action lawsuit. So then you start to realize later on,

576
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: like then they was actually making a lot of money

577
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: from your likeness. Correct, you know what I'm saying. You

578
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: don't realize that when you're in it.

579
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Speaker 4: And you know what did they do there?

580
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: Adopt the game?

581
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: There's no one boom because we ain't gonna pay you

582
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: no more?

583
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Speaker 3: Is it?

584
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

585
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: They stopped the game.

586
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: There's no more game.

587
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 6: There's no more Marchmadaws football, and there's no more may

588
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Speaker 6: stop the game.

589
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: It ain't like we're gonna keep the game and pay

590
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: the players. It's like, we're gonna get rid of the

591
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: game so we don't have to play the players. And

592
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: like you, I remember being on that game, being naive,

593
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: playing with myself and Da Da And imagine you got

594
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: four thousand dollars, probably a decade or so after you

595
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: left school. Just just just just think about those residuals.

596
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: Just think about that. If they gave you four thousand dollars,

597
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 3: that means they made forty million minimum.

598
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

599
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Speaker 6: Let alone whoever the cover team was, because they didn't

600
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 6: use to use the picture. It would be like whoever

601
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Speaker 6: was the championship team? I remember when when mellowing them

602
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 6: one and it was just like damn, they just got.

603
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Speaker 3: His picture a d like that right in the body style.

604
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, got his breaks, got everything,

605
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: but don't have his like we know who that is.

606
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: And so again I think the n i L, the

607
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: institution of the n i L, is a band aid.

608
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: The true execution that's gonna be game changing is when

609
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 3: the schools and the coaches, as you mentioned Nick Saban,

610
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: are willing to share their sponsors that are locked in

611
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: with the school. Because you can't come in with a competitor.

612
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: If you got Nike, I can't wear Puma. If you

613
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: got Forward, I can't rock Jeep, so I can't get

614
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: the big bag.

615
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Speaker 2: And that's funneling a lot of Adida's kids to Adida schools,

616
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: a lot of Nike kids to Nike schools.

617
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: Correct because and then what happens is that starts to

618
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: funnel down a high school that's high school level. And

619
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Speaker 3: why a lot of times does that shoe company sponsor

620
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: that team because who's playing on it. I remember, I'll

621
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: never forget playing against Jamal Mashburn and the Gauchos and them.

622
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: I was like, it was.

623
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Speaker 3: Like they was they was they was booted. I was like, yo,

624
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: they fresh. That's because of the players that have come

625
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: through the program, and so we're going to invest in

626
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: that program. Is that program still exist?

627
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's not. It's not the same level

628
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: as it was before.

629
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Speaker 4: It's been a little drove spell for New York correct professionals.

630
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: That's like Saint Cecilia and Detroit the same thing when

631
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 3: players were playing and it had the the the cachet,

632
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: then we had the sponsors. When it doesn't necessarily have

633
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: the same pro prospects and the same cachet. It's not

634
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: existing anymore. Where did Mellow go to high school?

635
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: St? Anthony's?

636
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: He went?

637
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: He went he was.

638
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: No, he went to he went to the prep school.

639
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 4: I'm sorry not saying so.

640
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: I bring this up for a reason. Old Kill is

641
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: one of the greatest schools to producing players of all time.

642
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: My brother Stephen Jackson, Mellow, all of these guys. The

643
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: one thing about like being an athlete and being in

644
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: this sports, like we admire everybody. So I remember, like

645
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 3: admyroing Baltimore when they had Reggie Wingate and Reggie Williams

646
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: and Sam Cassell and on Muggsy Bowls, like we watched

647
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 3: programs from other places, and I remember idolizing what ol

648
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: Kill was doing. Like I was like, that's dope. It's

649
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: a school that brings people from all over the world

650
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: in theory becomes one of the greatest basketball teams in

651
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: the country while still nurturing young men. I was like,

652
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: that's dope. But when all of those top flight players leave,

653
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: so the the sponsors and Okill probably don't even exist anymore.

654
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 6: They're still playing the same level. I mean, they top

655
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Speaker 6: ten nationally every they deserve to be because that's that

656
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Speaker 6: program is dope.

657
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Speaker 4: But a program like rights doesn't exist anymore.

658
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Speaker 2: Right, shut the whole schoo down.

659
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 3: And what that is is solely the sponsors and school,

660
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 3: solely the sponsor saying, y'all got who on the team.

661
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: Not gonna work?

662
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden they're not there no more,

663
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Speaker 6: thank you, let's pivot, let's find the next school.

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Speaker 2: Correct, basically correct? So speaking of schools, all right, we're

665
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Speaker 2: in your school right now. Congratulations person for me, thank you.

666
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: This is impressive.

667
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Speaker 2: We gotta take a short tour before we came here,

668
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Speaker 2: but it's very impressive. The school that you've built Jalen

669
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Speaker 2: Rose Academy Leadership Jalen Rose Leadership Academy, and it's ninth

670
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Speaker 2: through twelfth grade in Detroit, Michigan. And it's a free

671
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Speaker 2: charter school. Is that correct?

672
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Speaker 3: Correct?

673
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Speaker 2: Okay, So talk about that. What made you want to

674
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: get into the business of education? And how long had

675
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: the school been in existence?

676
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Speaker 3: So that we're entering our twelfth school year. And the

677
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 3: one thing that people underestimate about athletes, and I joke

678
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: with my entertainment friends all of the time of this,

679
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 3: it's athletes are required to be educated because you gotta

680
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: stay eligible. And therefore, because you play sports, in theory,

681
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: you're required to be a role model. Very early as

682
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: an athlete, people come up to you taking pictures on

683
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: your autograph, on your likeness, wanna, you know, spend time

684
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: with you. And so, as somebody that was a former athlete,

685
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 3: I was trying to think, how can I give back

686
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: to the community in a meaningful way because I already

687
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: had the Jayalen Rose Charitable Fund that influenced forty plus

688
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: young people with scholarship dollars to college. But I felt

689
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 3: like that just wasn't enough. It you c you can't

690
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: achieve your goals necessarily anymore in America that you dreamed

691
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: of right out of high school. But if you think

692
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: about this, anybody that can hear my voice that is

693
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: graduated from high school. When you leave high school, your

694
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: high school don't do nothing for you anymore. They invite

695
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: you to the ten year reunion. You get successful, they'll

696
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: ask you to donate, but they don't support you. And

697
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: so one of the things I wanted to do is

698
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: I feel like the eight most important years of a

699
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 3: young person's life are the ford that they're in high

700
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Speaker 3: school or the Ford that they could be in college.

701
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Speaker 3: Now you ask any adult where the dreams went awry?

702
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: Is doing those puberty eight years You start making your

703
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 3: own decisions, You start being exposed to drugs and sex

704
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 3: and drinking and social media just j you get exposed

705
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: to life, and you need a level of nurturing after

706
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: high school. So it's important for me to champion a

707
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: nine through sixteen model that when you graduate from high school,

708
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: it's not just school. Throw you're hat in the air

709
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: and see you in ten years. It's secondary education. So

710
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna support you community college, university, se trade school,

711
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: military police, had me. Whatever you decide to do, we're

712
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: gonna be there and continue to help nurture you. And

713
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: so the nine through sixteen thing is one of the

714
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Speaker 3: things I'm most proud of. The Other thing is that

715
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Speaker 3: we go for eleven months in the United States of America.

716
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: You get our school in June, you go back in September.

717
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: The people that we owe billions of dollars to, or

718
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: trillions of dollars to, like a China, for example, they

719
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: require their young people to go to school six and

720
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: there's sometimes seven days a week. So we can't truly

721
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: compete in the global economy. So how can I take

722
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: these young people who are not reading or doing math

723
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Speaker 3: at the ninth grade level, but still put them in

724
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Speaker 3: position to compete for the same career, the same job,

725
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: the same collegiate classroom as their suburban counterparts. And so

726
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: that's why I wanted to champion a nine through sixteen model.

727
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: If I had a blank check, I would ultimately see

728
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 3: I would I would hope that the United States would

729
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: adopt a model of a K through sixteen to where

730
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: you're nurturing a young person the entire way through. And

731
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: that's in the classroom, that's in trades, that's for jobs,

732
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: that's for social and emotional support, that's when you're dealing

733
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: with depression, you're dealing with anxiety. We got the counselors

734
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: here like it's a lifestyle, and that's what I wanted

735
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: to create here, but I didn't have the bandwidth to

736
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 3: do that just being one person. Look at the beginning

737
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: pictures of when we started the school, ain't no sponsor

738
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: standing behind me, not one, Like it's literally me and

739
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: Dave Bing, who was the mirror at the time, cutting

740
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: the ribbon. And so over the years we started to

741
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: make our outcomes happen. Sponsors and supporters started to come

742
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: on board. So for me, it was an opportunity to

743
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: start a school. I always was passionate about education, being

744
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: a member of the Fab five and being the McDonald's

745
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: all the maor people. Hey, headline is how many points

746
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 3: I scored, how many games we want? But people underestimated

747
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: the fact that I was an honor roll student in

748
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: high school. I was on the dean's list at Michigan. Like,

749
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: education was always important to me. So for me, it

750
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: was just an opportunity to help as many young people

751
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: be educated by a quality school in their community and

752
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: put them in position to chase their goals.

753
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Speaker 2: So what was the process?

754
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 4: Like I noticed is eleven year journey with twelve year journey.

755
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 6: Now we'll have to go into the new school year

756
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 6: a work doing the inner workings of education.

757
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 4: Like we've all been.

758
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 6: Students and I was, you know, a teacher, and when

759
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 6: you go on the other side, you realize, wait, this

760
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 6: is there's a lot of stuff that you don't know.

761
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 6: So getting the funding, figure out curriculum, making sure that

762
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 6: the act graduation rates, attendance rates, correct truancy, all these

763
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 6: things like, what was like that learning curfew, Like.

764
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Speaker 3: It's a it's a it's refreshing for me to see

765
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: how young people come in because I was this young

766
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: person too at eighth grade. You don't know if you

767
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 3: want to be fly, you don't know if you want

768
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: to be smart, you don't know if you want to

769
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: sit in front of the class, you know, if you

770
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: want to be cool, Like you're still trying to figure

771
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: it out. And the number one thing that I realized

772
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: that these young people needed was physical support and energy

773
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 3: and time and money. And so the quality of your

774
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: education in the United States of America is defined by

775
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: your zip code. There's reason why people with means move

776
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: to a district where there's good schools. And so there's

777
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: levels to this. There's the private school parent, there's the

778
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: suburban public school parent, there's the inner city private school parent,

779
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: and then there's the public school. So what ends up

780
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: happening is you get residue from all of that and

781
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: now you have school. And so there are high performance

782
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 3: schools like in Detroit. If you say, hey, what's the

783
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: most high performing schools in Detroit the last thirty years,

784
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 3: everybody gonna say cast Cast Technical, right, and it has been,

785
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: but why is it only one? It's only one? King

786
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: started to come along, Renaissance popped up there for a while.

787
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: But what they do, and this ain't no shots or shade,

788
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: is just a reality. They test you in before ninth

789
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: grade and they'll test you out before tenth grade. And

790
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: so what we do, being open enrollment, tuition free public charter,

791
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: is we're gonna take you as you are, and we're

792
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 3: gonna nurture you over this eight year period to put

793
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: you in a position to take care of yourself, educate yourself,

794
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 3: and be in a position to take care of those

795
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: you love. And so there have been a lot of

796
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: challenges in trying to fundraise and trying to expand the facility.

797
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of frustration by me that I

798
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: need to stay encouraged. There's so many times I think,

799
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: like man Michigan been fundraising for since the eighteen hundreds,

800
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: the people just turn around to give them a hundred

801
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: million dollars like it ain't nothing like can you give

802
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: them ninety eight and give us two? You know what

803
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But then what I learned is some people

804
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 3: and they not judging how you give. Like I had

805
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: to learn to not judge people who don't give back

806
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: to the community, who don't give their time, who do

807
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: give for prestige. And I had to realize, we don't

808
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: have a stadium one hundred and twenty five thousand fans

809
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: that's going to bring you to half, to bring you

810
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: to midfield and give you a standing ovation. Or we

811
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: don't have like the shiny building that you could put

812
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: your name on and then when your college plays on TV,

813
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: they're like, yo, that's just such and such and such

814
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: and such building. And so this is the actual charity

815
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: that makes it to the hood. And even though I

816
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: got to knock on doors, you know, a thousand times

817
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 3: to probably get one donor, that's been the biggest hurdle

818
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: in the biggest challenge to try to make sure they

819
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: have the access they need to carry out the goals.

820
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: So who is it funded by the state or is

821
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: it funded by private.

822
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 3: See here's this is like the nil so a private

823
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: So a charter school gets zero state funding for its facility. Right,

824
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: what's the most important thing in your life? Your house

825
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: and your car. So we ain't getting no money for

826
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: our facility. That means we need an HVAC system right now.

827
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: It costs one point five million dollars, y'all doing this

828
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: interview in this room because this is the new wing

829
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: that we expanded six or seven years ago. We ain't

830
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: doing it in the old wing because they no air conditioned.

831
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: We ain't doing it in the old wing because we

832
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: got an elementary school gym that I can jump up

833
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: and pull the rim down now because I didn't realize

834
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: it was hanging. I just got here today. And so

835
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 3: that to me has been like not only the biggest challenge,

836
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: but like that's gonna be the biggest game changer also,

837
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna turn these limits into lemonade. And the

838
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: donors that we have and the sponsors that we have,

839
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: I'm extremely grateful for them. But when I'm able to

840
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: expand this facility where we don't have rotating teachers, I

841
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 3: want to create a holistic space for meditation, prayer, counseling,

842
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: have a gym where our team can play, where we

843
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: can host high school tournaments and district regionals and stuff

844
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: like that. We can host colleges maybe when they come

845
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: playing practice, pro teams when they come playing practice, Like

846
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: that's really the next phase of what we're trying to do,

847
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: but it is extremely challenging raising money for inner city

848
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: young people.

849
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 6: I know you said you weren't disappointed in people not

850
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 6: giving back on the surface, right, But Isaiah is one

851
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 6: of the people who gave back, and it's a few

852
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 6: other sponsors. But obviously as a celebrity, it feels like

853
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 6: this should be like something that people should get behind. Well,

854
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 6: I mean this has obviously been a valuable lesson. So

855
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 6: how do you, I mean, how do you differentiate? Like

856
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 6: I thought he was cool, you should support my vision.

857
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 6: People don't. Now It's like, well, how do I view

858
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 6: you now?

859
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 3: Would you just saying right there, Paim like I stop

860
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: liking people because I feel like if the person if

861
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: you've ever heard the word Detroit, if you've ever been

862
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 3: in Michigan, if you've ever gone to college here, if

863
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: you've ever came to Detroit Metropolitan Airport, I told you

864
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: about the school or you heard about the school. So

865
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 3: if you see our donor wall, if you see our

866
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: golf outing and you're like, wait a minute, I just saw.

867
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: Joe Ernest, what's up.

868
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 6: You ever walk into a small business and everything just

869
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 6: works like the checkout is fast. Seats of digital tipping

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Speaker 3: d I just saw her talking about what updot What

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Speaker 3: happens is I had to step back and be like yo,

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Speaker 3: some people ain't willing to donate their time and their

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Speaker 3: money when there isn't Press Stiege involved. And that was

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Speaker 3: a hard dog. I'm trying to tell you that was

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Speaker 3: a hard step because if I showed you my phone

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Speaker 3: and the people that I texts that either ignore me

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Speaker 3: or don't donate and claim to put on for the city.

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Speaker 3: This ain't like the first year I've been doing this,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I been doing this twelve years.

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Speaker 3: So at some point you've got to fall through.

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Speaker 2: It, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Graduation call. I picked up the phone. Big Sean, he there,

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Speaker 3: Ti Grizzley, he there, Godfather inside the Baby, he there,

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Speaker 3: Platinum Equity Pistols they there, Calvin Johnson, Megatron, he there.

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Speaker 3: So I learned to then celebrate and embrace the people

932
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Speaker 3: who do support, not clown expose or be mad at

933
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Speaker 3: the people who don't. And that's hard. That's that's that's

934
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Speaker 3: that's so challenging because usually the person that's the founder

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Speaker 3: of the school ain't alive or it's named after somebody else.

936
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Speaker 3: Like I'm a living, breathing human being interacting with everybody.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, like, I know though, like and so

938
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Speaker 3: that that was challenging. But as people start talking about

939
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Speaker 3: charity and giving back, I noticed many public figures don't

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Speaker 3: have a foundation. A lot of people grow up somewhere

941
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Speaker 3: and they don't have their driver's license still where they

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Speaker 3: grew up. I do. I can flip it to Florida

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Speaker 3: right now and save money on my taxes. I ain't

944
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Speaker 3: doing it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, talk about that though, right, Like obviously you went

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Speaker 6: to school here in this in the state of Michigan.

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Speaker 6: He played for at this right, drafted by the Nuggets

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Speaker 6: YEP ninety.

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Speaker 4: Four, played for the Bulls. I did, played for Indiana,

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Speaker 4: I did Toronto, was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, indeed, y'all pay good and did Phoenix Knicks and.

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Speaker 6: I was Gonnay with the Knicks during all that time.

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Speaker 4: You still lived there, Yes, so why it's so important

954
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Speaker 4: to be I mean, this is your neighbor.

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Speaker 3: I ain't never leaving. I can walk to the house

956
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Speaker 3: I grew up in right now. And my grandmother, who

957
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Speaker 3: I lost a year or so ago, she was one

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Speaker 3: hundred and three and she lived all of those years

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Speaker 3: in the city, and she made sure, along with my

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Speaker 3: mother who I lost last February, they made sure that

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Speaker 3: you're gonna put on for the city, You're gonna give

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Speaker 3: back to the city, and real Detroit is stay in

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Speaker 3: the city. I could take y'all, we could jump in

964
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Speaker 3: the car right now and go drive and I could

965
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Speaker 3: just pull up on people and be like, YO, would

966
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Speaker 3: you rather live in Detroit or La Detroit? I ain't

967
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Speaker 3: never leaving.

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Speaker 3: You want to live, you want to live in? You

974
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Speaker 3: want to go live in Hawaii? Or Detroit? Detroit? I

975
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Speaker 3: ain't never leaving? What did I say in a fab

976
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Speaker 3: five Dot who want to go to Europe. It ain't Detroit.

977
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Speaker 3: That's what I said. This was thirty years ago. You

978
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Speaker 3: see what I mean. This was thirty years ago. And

979
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Speaker 3: the reason why we feel so passionate about it is

980
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Speaker 3: not only what it's done for us, but we know

981
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Speaker 3: it needs help. We know it scarred. We know that

982
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Speaker 3: if you leave a time that had one point five

983
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 3: million people that now has six hundred thousand people, you're

984
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Speaker 3: going to continue to diminish our hometown. So it's important

985
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Speaker 3: for people who have the opportunity to migrate to still

986
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Speaker 3: consider making Detroitor Michigan their home to do that reinvestment.

987
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Speaker 3: So that's why it was important to me to never believe.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about fundraising from a business standpoint, because the

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Speaker 2: business show and that's a business within itself. So what

990
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Speaker 2: lessons did you learn as far as fundraising and what

991
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 2: is some techniques that you know you use to improve

992
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Speaker 2: your your fundraising over the over the course of time.

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Speaker 3: The first thing I learned is that people don't donate

994
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: for pity. They donate for things that they feel like

995
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: make them happy. It's like it's like like you see

996
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: those commercials all of the time that they used to

997
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Speaker 3: have where they show kids with flyers flying around their

998
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 3: faces and stuff like that to try to make it

999
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: create an imagery of Oh, you got to reach in

1000
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Speaker 3: your pockets and help them right now. Well, that, in theory,

1001
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 3: is the reason why that stopped. You notice that campaign

1002
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: doesn't run anymore because people give, like I mentioned, for

1003
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: prestige and validity. Majority of our sponsors have never been here.

1004
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: The thing that I realize that they're investing in me,

1005
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Speaker 3: in my vision, and they feel like like the parents feel,

1006
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: y'all come here one day during dismissal or if y'all

1007
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,479
Speaker 3: come here one day when the young scholars are coming

1008
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 3: to school, y'all are hit of parents dropping them off

1009
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Speaker 3: to you, Jalen, we know you got them. It's the

1010
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 3: same thing with fundraising. I'm donating to you because I

1011
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 3: know that you're so committed in this. I've seen you

1012
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: spend your time, your energy, your money. So I'm in

1013
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: theory donating to you because I know you're going to

1014
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 3: do the right thing for them. And the other thing

1015
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: I learned is that a lot of times trying to

1016
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: ask people to donate for something can be challenging if

1017
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: they're not from Detroit they don't live in Detroit and

1018
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: they don't have kids to go to school in Detroit.

1019
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 3: So in other words, you have a school that's ninety

1020
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Speaker 3: nine percent black, but a donor wall of businesses and

1021
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: companies and people that are probably ninety five percent white.

1022
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Speaker 3: So that dynamic is one that you navigate and you're

1023
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,959
Speaker 3: really grateful to those that support and now my goal

1024
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 3: is just to put some more zeros on them donations.

1025
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So even that, like the fundraising process, people, I'm

1026
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 6: sure there's people are like, what do you need to

1027
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Speaker 6: raise funds for?

1028
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Speaker 4: Right, Like you're the same reason why Michigan need to

1029
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Speaker 4: raise money.

1030
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Speaker 3: So like Michigan been raising money since the eighteen hundreds.

1031
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Speaker 6: And so like they can see the tangible things like, oh,

1032
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 6: we built this new wing, so like can you talk.

1033
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: About they feel like we got enough?

1034
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 4: Exactly.

1035
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Speaker 3: That's because they feel like y'all got y'all got heat,

1036
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: right right, y'all got a building.

1037
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Speaker 6: So that's why I'm trying to say that this a

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Speaker 6: coss associated with actually running a school, Like there's a

1039
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Speaker 6: lot that goes into it. Can you talk about that?

1040
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 6: Because obviously you said the HVAC that's a real issue.

1041
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: Correct, And in Detroit. Because here's the thing. A property

1042
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 3: like this, if we were in Chicago or New York,

1043
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 3: we could take over a facility to be worth one

1044
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: point eight million dollars ten years ago in the same building,

1045
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: but now be worth three million. Well, in Detroit, that's

1046
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: say one point eight billion dollar building. Now it's worth

1047
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: one point three appreciation. Man, you see what I'm saying.

1048
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 3: So that dynamic affects everything that you do. It affects

1049
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: the enrollment is just not as many people. It affects

1050
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 3: the teachers, the talent pool just isn't as plentiful, And

1051
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 3: it affects the donors because it's not as many people

1052
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 3: that live here or care about what's happening here. So

1053
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 3: what happens is that becomes a trickle down effect for

1054
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 3: everything that we're trying to get accomplished. And the idioticy

1055
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: of some people makes them think, oh, they see me

1056
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 3: like I ain't a billionaire, you know what I'm saying,

1057
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 3: Like you heard Chris Rock, Like Shaq Rich the person

1058
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: that writes shack check is wealthy, you see what I mean.

1059
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: But what happens is sometimes people see us, oh, y'all

1060
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: got enough good, we got running water, you good. You

1061
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 3: know what I mean, We gave you enough. And that's

1062
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 3: where I have to come in and make sure that

1063
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: our fist fight as much as possible for all of

1064
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: the support that our scholars are gonna need to chase

1065
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 3: their goals. You never have enough money, never have enough money.

1066
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Speaker 3: And I love y'all shirt's assets of aliabilities because one

1067
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 3: of the biggest misnomers about successful people is that we

1068
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 3: can both walk past the same thousand dollars pile they

1069
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 3: gonna fight you for it. See a lot of time,

1070
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 3: the mentality is the broke person thinks the rich person

1071
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 3: ain't gonna fight them for that thousand dollars. But the

1072
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 3: reason why they rich is but because they keep stacking

1073
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 3: those thousands of dollars. Like now, we don't value change.

1074
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 3: So many times in the day I swear to you,

1075
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: I walk past pick up this quarter, it's good luck,

1076
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: it's good luck. And then before you know, I looked

1077
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Speaker 3: down the email like, oh, uesp don't want to do

1078
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Speaker 3: what cool? In my mind? That creates a domino for

1079
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Speaker 3: opportunity for good luck. And so that's what I'm hoping

1080
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Speaker 3: to get accomplished it.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of ESPN, so we recently chopped it up with

1082
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Speaker 2: AB shot out to him no doubt, and he said

1083
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: something that was actually pretty profound where he said that

1084
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: most athletes they struggle when they're done playing because the

1085
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: opportunities is very short for them.

1086
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 3: Right.

1087
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: It's like, unless you're a sports broadcaster, which very few

1088
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: people can be a sports broadcaster, there's not a lot

1089
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: of opportunities. And he was like, not a lot of

1090
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: people stay relevant their relevance he dies. He was like,

1091
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 2: he's able to stay relevant. It's a whole different conversation,

1092
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: but long story short, Yeah, you've you've been able to

1093
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: be a sports broadcaster, but not a lot of people

1094
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: have been able to be sports broadcasters. So talk about that,

1095
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: the transition from being an athlete to no longer playing,

1096
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: your transition to being a broadcaster, how that's worked, and

1097
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: a lot of your peers that have not been able

1098
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: to transition as smoothly as you have.

1099
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 3: AB's my guy and he went to Central Michigan, and

1100
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: I've been following him and supported him and had love

1101
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: for him for a long time. And the one thing

1102
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 3: about being an athlete is it becomes of what have

1103
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 3: you done for me lately? Career? If you're a singer,

1104
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 3: or you're a financial advisor. You could do shows or

1105
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 3: manage money in theory forever. You can do that to

1106
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 3: your thirties and forties, your fifties, your sixties. I was

1107
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: just playing golf. Well, I guess I missed the ball

1108
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 3: five times. I do a't considered playing golf, but I

1109
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 3: was out there at an event with Jack Nicholas. Like

1110
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: he's in his eighties, he can still play golf. As

1111
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 3: a basketball player or as a football player, at some time,

1112
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: there's going to be a shelflight to what you do.

1113
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 3: So there has to be a plan of appreciating your position,

1114
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 3: like Rick Ross said, applying your promotion. And I started

1115
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 3: working on my set career when I got traded from

1116
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: the Pacers because radio TV finn was my major in

1117
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 3: college and in Indiana, we were going to the playoffs.

1118
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 3: We had one of the best records in the league

1119
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 3: and dah da da dah. But when I got traded

1120
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 3: to the Bulls, it was February. They had nine wins, Like,

1121
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 3: we ain't going to playoffs. It's my team right right,

1122
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, we ain't going to the playoffs. I literally

1123
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: reached out, I had did one oh six apart. I

1124
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 3: did b T mad Sports. I reached out to contact

1125
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: I had there and I pitched the idea to let

1126
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: them have me cover the finals for them that year.

1127
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 3: I was like, I got a spot in LA. I

1128
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: think the Lakers are gonna make They just won championship,

1129
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 3: like I think they had Shaq and Kobe. It was killing.

1130
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 3: I was like, I think the Lakers gonna be in.

1131
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 3: The Lakers are in for sure, y'all should let me

1132
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 3: cover it. All y'all gotta do is send the camera.

1133
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 3: I'll get the access. I'll do all of that. Lakers

1134
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 3: made it. They played New Jersey nets at the time,

1135
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 3: and I did everything interview, Shaq interview, Dezel interview, Jack interview, everybody,

1136
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 3: cut and spiced it. They played it on TV. Soon

1137
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 3: they played it on TV. I recorded it and I

1138
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 3: pitched it the best damn sports show. And they hired

1139
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 3: me so while I was in the league. Like we

1140
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 3: see Draymond Green, my little brother doing it right now,

1141
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 3: but imagine it took like twenty five years for another

1142
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 3: player to do it while they were playing. I already

1143
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 3: did that. You see what I mean. They hired me

1144
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 3: while I was in the league, and so from two

1145
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 3: thousand and two or three to two thousand and seven, BT,

1146
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 3: Mass Sports, NFL Network, MTV Movie Awards, Top Rank Boxing. Like,

1147
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 3: I was doing all of these gigs while I was

1148
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 3: still a twenty point scorer in the league. So when

1149
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 3: I retired in two thousand and seven, I'm trying to

1150
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 3: figure where I was gonna go next with my mother

1151
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 3: time media career. I ended up choosing ESPN because it's

1152
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 3: twenty four seven, three sixty five sports, and that's where

1153
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: I ultimately landed. This was my twentieth consecutive year covering

1154
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: the finals on TV, and so like being a part

1155
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: of the multi media space and trying to keep myself relevant.

1156
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: It's a score of the game and it's a game

1157
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 3: of life. And the one thing athletes have to learn

1158
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 3: is it's only like ten people that the rest of

1159
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: the world really cares what they accomplished, you know what

1160
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 3: I mean? And in America, to be honest with you,

1161
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 3: society tries to make us feel like it's only ten

1162
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 3: successful Black people like you. Ain't you ain't you ain't

1163
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 3: what is you done? You ain't nobody? You're a loser,

1164
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: like a loser, what I mean? Hold up, mother, you

1165
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, how black cart down to the dentists, Like,

1166
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 3: How'm a champion in my life?

1167
01:06:58,840 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1168
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 3: But what ends up happening is it's like, if you're

1169
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 3: not Michael Jordan, you're not jay Z. The society makes

1170
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 3: us think it's only ten successful black people, and the

1171
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 3: relevancy you talked about, that's only it's not relevancy. Actually

1172
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 3: it's visibility because just because I'm not on TV all

1173
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 3: of the time, I don't mean I ain't somewhere breaking

1174
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: bread doing what I want to do. Hav an entrepreneur pursuits.

1175
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 3: Look at a junior Bridgeman, Yeah, yeah, like he's been

1176
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 3: an elite businessman forever as a former NBA player. What

1177
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 3: I'm Denny Johnson, Jamal Mashburg, same thing, Jamal Mashburn. Correct.

1178
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: And so what ends up happening is those stories don't

1179
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 3: get acknowledged, but they're happening. And the reason why they

1180
01:07:53,800 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 3: don't get acknowledged is because those dudes ain't pumping chess.

1181
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 3: It's all talking about.

1182
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 7: They just like collecting the money, you know what I'm saying,

1183
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 7: Like like dice game, it just collected the money, right,

1184
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 7: And so that to me is actually been an amazing

1185
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 7: thing for me to still work in multimedia.

1186
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 3: After playing or wild playing, because it then drives the

1187
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: opportunity for me to fundraise for j LA, the opportunity

1188
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 3: to keep a visibility that now gives me an opportunity

1189
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 3: to change things in my community. That's really the thing

1190
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 3: that I appreciate about the opportunities I've been giving.

1191
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so from the business standpoint, let's start early.

1192
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 6: You said when you were in college you didn't know

1193
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 6: what your credit score was, so they probably the education

1194
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 6: wasn't there. But obviously throughout your career you've developed it.

1195
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 6: And so you've had two careers, right, You've had the

1196
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 6: professional one as an athlete. Now you have a professional

1197
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 6: one as an analyst and a producer too. Who's the

1198
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 6: fab five thirty to thirty was done by you?

1199
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 3: So what's that like?

1200
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 6: Because we spoke to Jamel Hill about negotiating contracts. I

1201
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 6: know it's one thing for the sports, but from this side,

1202
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 6: this is this is this is a new thing.

1203
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 4: Are you hands on?

1204
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 6: Is you keep the same agent when you're going through

1205
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 6: this process or how does this work? I'll fire you

1206
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 6: in a minute.

1207
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 3: I had a couple of agents as a player and

1208
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 3: I've had a couple of agents as a media personality,

1209
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 3: and one of the scariest things about being talent, as

1210
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 3: we're called is that some of the most important conversations

1211
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 3: about your career happened but you're not on the phone,

1212
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 3: y j. Just think about the dynamics of that. You

1213
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 3: hire an agent, they're talking to the network, they're talking

1214
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 3: to the team, but you ain't on the phone, and

1215
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 3: so you don't know what they saying about you or

1216
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: if they even representing your best interest. So what ends

1217
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 3: up happening is what I learned to do is I

1218
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 3: have an amazing team of people that work for me.

1219
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm i am not who I am without my team.

1220
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 3: I got the best team, but I need to know

1221
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 3: what's being said cause it's too important. So yeah, yes,

1222
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: I'll still have personal relationships with the people I'm negotiating with.

1223
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 3: I'm still talking to them, I'm still communicating with people

1224
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: that work on my behalf because it is a different game,

1225
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 3: it is a different space, and also the media hates

1226
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 3: when you don't conform. Like Lamar Jackson right now, he

1227
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 3: negotiated his contract with the Ravens. At some point when

1228
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 3: you hear him talk at some point when people are

1229
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 3: talking about his contract, they're gonna say Olamar doesn't have

1230
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: an agent. I remember he was coming out for the

1231
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 3: draft and they were like, well, it's hard to get

1232
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 3: in contact with No, he's not his mama's representing him.

1233
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 3: You want to contact anybody, you could call a MoMA.

1234
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 3: He ain't hard to find. What it is is he's

1235
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 3: not traditionally paying the system to get him paid. He's

1236
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 3: bypassing it. I'm gonna be on the phone to talk

1237
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 3: about my money in my career and they don't like that.

1238
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 3: They hate that. And that's why you going into a

1239
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 3: season as a four MVP without a deal. Deshaun Watson

1240
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 3: how many games he won for the Browns.

1241
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 6: Zero can't play the first twelve most money ever for

1242
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 6: a quarterback.

1243
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 4: And it deals back to a bit. So this year

1244
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 4: gets one of the cellar.

1245
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 3: They're going to take care of him because he's talented,

1246
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 3: is the point. Lamar has already shown us that. But

1247
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 3: since he's not feeding the system, it's a little tougher

1248
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 3: for him to get his bread. And so that's what

1249
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: I learned, is that even if you're unorthodox and you're

1250
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: not necessarily just like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, okay, okay,

1251
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 3: then it could be a little more turbulent. But you

1252
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 3: need to stand on the table about your life, your

1253
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 3: business because we only have one.

1254
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: How do you feel? So we spoke to Jamil Hell

1255
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 2: she was talking about women.

1256
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 3: I love Jamil about Yeah she's from Detroit.

1257
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: Yes, she was talking about the difference between.

1258
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,919
Speaker 3: Now she represents the city. I loved Jamil. Yeah, she

1259
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 3: she put on for the city.

1260
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: So she was talking about the difference between women and

1261
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: men in sports. And her husband who went to my

1262
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 2: high school. Yeah, good DUDEO met him in La too. Yeah,

1263
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: she's talking about the differen between women and men's pay.

1264
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 2: But I just thought of something just in this moment. Actually,

1265
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 2: you see Tony Romo. He's excellent. He's actually excellent in

1266
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 2: he gets paid over there, but he gets paid a

1267
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: lot of money. I think who else Tom Brady got

1268
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 2: offered the deal before he even.

1269
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,759
Speaker 4: He's still playing Troy Aikman.

1270
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 2: Uh, these contracts that they get in is crazy football.

1271
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 2: They're like baseball numbers.

1272
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 3: McAfee.

1273
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't. I've never heard of her. I might

1274
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: be wrong, but I haven't heard of any black sports

1275
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 2: analysts or black players having that same type of even

1276
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: steven A when they was like how much he got

1277
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 2: paid and it wasn't really that much compared to other

1278
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 2: people in that space. What is your thoughts on that,

1279
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 2: because that's something that nobody's really like. I said, I

1280
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 2: never even thought about that until this very moment. I've

1281
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: never heard anybody bring that up. But I don't know,

1282
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 2: seems a little off to me. Most of the sports

1283
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 2: are dominated by black athletes.

1284
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 3: And for steven A, who's been able to establish himself

1285
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 3: as one of the best at what he or we does,

1286
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 3: he's not quote unquote considered a former athlete because he

1287
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 3: quote unquote didn't play in the pros. And so I've

1288
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 3: said this, I would make more money in this game

1289
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 3: based on my experience and based on my education. If

1290
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't a former player, I would make more money.

1291
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 3: And what has happened in sports. If you have the

1292
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 3: word quarterback attached to your name in football, it could

1293
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 3: be Pop Warner quarterback. You could get top dollar.

1294
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 2: For your job.

1295
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 3: Basketball players, you ain't seen it. When it's time for

1296
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 3: that multimedia space to get paid in football, it's oh,

1297
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 3: it's so much money in the game of course they're

1298
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 3: gonna pay Jane or John Duck. It's money in basketball too.

1299
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 3: And another thing you don't see, and this is something

1300
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 3: that I hope to be a part of, is us

1301
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 3: now being our own multimedia conglomerate where we actually own

1302
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 3: the content, where we're creating the shows, where we're now

1303
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 3: the infrastructure. You're still working with the system within the system,

1304
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 3: but that still hasn't happened. And especially for people that

1305
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 3: look like me and you and those top dollar game

1306
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 3: changing tracks, you ain't seen it for a former basketball player.

1307
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 4: No, I'm trying to even think of a black football player. No,

1308
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 4: definitely not football, but what and you but you just said, why.

1309
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 3: The only former black football players I see working in

1310
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 3: the media or who Michael Vick.

1311
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: Ray lewis the quarterback quarterback backs? Yeah, Michael Vick.

1312
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 4: They got RGI three at ESPN Archie three.

1313
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 3: He just got into it absolutely, And so they're starting

1314
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 3: to trickle in now. But what has happened is to

1315
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 3: his point, like the market has already been set. And

1316
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 3: so for me as a form, I'm the only basketball

1317
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 3: player still to this day, and I stand on the

1318
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 3: shoulders of my brother John Sally, who brought me in

1319
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 3: former Bad Boy og when he was a member of

1320
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 3: the Best Damn Sports Show. And I remember Jason Williams

1321
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:56,480
Speaker 3: of the Nets.

1322
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 4: Jason Williams, okay, that Jameson.

1323
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,839
Speaker 3: Before he had his issue. He was also working with NBC.

1324
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 3: And those were two people when I was in the

1325
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 3: late nineties thinking like, dangn that's dope. They in the

1326
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 3: league and they working in the media. So I kind

1327
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 3: of asked them for advice and what I should do

1328
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But still to this day, when

1329
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 3: I started doing Numbers Never Lie with Michael Smith and

1330
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 3: Hugh Douglas. That was in like twenty eleven. That was

1331
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 3: the first time since The Best Damn Sports Show that

1332
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 3: a former basketball player was featured on the Monday through

1333
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 3: Friday show. That's still the case to this day, like

1334
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 3: on Deontay Water to this day, to this day. And

1335
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about like an NBA show. Of course

1336
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 3: you're gonna have some basketball players on an NBA show.

1337
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 3: I'm talking about like a variety show like Jayda and

1338
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: Jakobe is a variety show. You look at the show.

1339
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 3: I got Immortals behind Me, got the Ali Summing, I

1340
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 3: got Harriet Tubman, I got Nipsey like that's a variety show.

1341
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: Still to this day, the only basketball player featured on

1342
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 3: the Monday through Friday show. So these are things in

1343
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 3: the industry that I hope to change, that I want

1344
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 3: to see change and I welcome and so I hope

1345
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 3: that that's happening. But it's already been established almost how

1346
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 3: it's going to be, So it's hard to cut through.

1347
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 3: Look at if you look at the faces of the

1348
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 3: announcers the Playboy, if you look at the look at

1349
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 3: the faces of the hosts in basketball and football. You

1350
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 3: look at the faces of the announcers in basketball and football.

1351
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 3: You look at the faces of the people that break

1352
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 3: news in basketball and football. Even though those sports are

1353
01:17:52,720 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 3: majority black, we're verly we're underrepresented in the areas I

1354
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 3: just described.

1355
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 6: And as you're saying, I'm thinking of the names that

1356
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 6: I'm hearing these lyrics from.

1357
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 4: It's either the Chefter or it's Wojo for basketball.

1358
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 6: And everybody's number everything, even like Mike Breen or you

1359
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 6: got Jim Nansen football. I'm just thinking of the names

1360
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 6: as you're saying it. But I mean, you're in media, right,

1361
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 6: so you do have Jailing and Jacob and then you

1362
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 6: have jailing.

1363
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 4: Versus everybody, so you have the media. Yep, is it?

1364
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 6: Is it the expansion gonna happen to because obviously that

1365
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 6: thirty for third that you did, I mean you were

1366
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 6: producing that, So there's plenty of other stories that can

1367
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 6: be told.

1368
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 4: Do you vision yourself and your team.

1369
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 6: Telling more stories and having more of a you know,

1370
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 6: like a handle and trying to shape narrative and change this?

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01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes? And the thing that has changed from only

1372
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 3: having linear opportunities on television to now having these digital

1373
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 3: opportunities that before everybody was only in the rush to

1374
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 3: be on TV. But now you realize based on the

1375
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 3: digital space as we now do this show, like, there's

1376
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 3: so many successful properties that aren't on linear television because

1377
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 3: they're being now funded digitally and you can put them

1378
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 3: out socially and you can put the clips out and

1379
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: then you can now create a career in theory without

1380
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 3: being on TV. See when I started doing this, you

1381
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 3: couldn't have a career without being on TV because social

1382
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 3: media didn't exist, right, And I hope that we're starting

1383
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:40,759
Speaker 3: to see more diversity in a couple of the spaces

1384
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 3: that I mentioned. But I've been saying this for twenty years.

1385
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 3: To be honest with you.

1386
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: I also just thought about something in this moment with media.

1387
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 2: Sports is the only feel where players are critiqued every

1388
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 2: single day, Like if you think about it, there's not

1389
01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 2: daily shows that it's like critiquing actors. Shows as critique

1390
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 2: and musicians like you got the breakfast though, but they're

1391
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: not like every single day their job is into break

1392
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 2: down every part that Drake has.

1393
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 4: Correct outside of politics, right.

1394
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:15,919
Speaker 2: Politics, But every single day there's sports critique, and sometimes

1395
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 2: it goes a little too far, like Skip, he goes

1396
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 2: too far sometimes, I think, in my opinion, he goes

1397
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 2: too far away too much. Yeah, definitely.

1398
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 3: So I had to tell him about itself too.

1399
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what you tell that?

1400
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 3: I know that he averaged.

1401
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 2: In high school.

1402
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 3: That's a classic clip. I really that was. I was

1403
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 3: on my care risk one and the teacher he taught

1404
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 3: us that he kept a disc record for everybody in

1405
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 3: the top ten in case somebody he ready for a

1406
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 3: body shot. He ready for a jab, and I was.

1407
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: I was ready for the same thing. I was ready

1408
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 3: for a face shot, a jab. I was ready for

1409
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 3: a knockout punch, you know what I'm saying. And that

1410
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 3: and that's what it has to be. And so also

1411
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 3: as we talk about like the athletes and media also

1412
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 3: acknowledge this, who are the experts? If I have experienced

1413
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 3: at something whatever it is, and you don't, and we

1414
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 3: have the same information in the same knowledge base, that

1415
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 3: makes me the expert. That's why if you notice when

1416
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 3: you're watching certain when you're watching it don't even matter digital, linear,

1417
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 3: and it don't even matter what you're watching. The person

1418
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 3: that's getting paid the most is asking the person with

1419
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 3: the expertise.

1420
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 6: The question, yeah, the commentator, get gain, tell us what

1421
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 6: you saw, get gain?

1422
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 3: And then this athlete sometimes becomes disposable or turnkey because

1423
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna get somebody else that just got out of

1424
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 3: the league. This is the expert, right, but we now

1425
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 3: need that person to be paid as such. That's a

1426
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 3: despair that that's a discrepancy that's happened in multimedia for

1427
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 3: a very long time that it's obvious to see.

1428
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 2: So do you think that what's the responsibility for journalists too,

1429
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,480
Speaker 2: because they walk a lot of dead lines in sports,

1430
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: Like what do you think the responsibility is between doing

1431
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 2: a job, critiquing somebody, giving your opinion and going too far.

1432
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 3: Going too far as when you're calling Chris Bosh Spice.

1433
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: M hm, that's too far Spice. Like from the Spice

1434
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 2: girls heard that? Who said that?

1435
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 3: You mentioned the name right right, So that's going too

1436
01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 3: far to me. And it's a real distinction. If you're

1437
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 3: from the hood, you're gonna appreciate this. When you call

1438
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 3: me out my name is when you go too far, we'll.

1439
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 2: Talking about Lebron's son.

1440
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 3: And like I told him, every time you talk about Ronnie,

1441
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about you because he don't deserve that.

1442
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 3: Like I'm a son of a former athlete that I

1443
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 3: didn't know. Like him and his father have a terrific relationship.

1444
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 3: Lebron has been very open with allowing the public into

1445
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 3: his life. We know who his wife is, we know

1446
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 3: his kids is, we know where he lived, we know

1447
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 3: like him, Chris Paul Steph Curry, like certain athletes do

1448
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 3: an amazing job of being a dad, a husband, a brother,

1449
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 3: a son and all of that in front of everybody.

1450
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 3: Like that's impressive to me. And what crosses the line

1451
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 3: is when you calling me out my name. You can

1452
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 3: say I was over twelve. You can say that you

1453
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 3: don't like my game, you can say that I'm don't

1454
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 3: deserve to be an All Star, whatever you want to say.

1455
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 3: But when you start creating nicknames to call me, that's

1456
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 3: too far.

1457
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 6: That's like the west Brook. Then he says west Brook. Yeah,

1458
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 6: you're talking about the Hall of Famer.

1459
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 3: Yes, because you don't have to disrespect me. It's nothing

1460
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 3: when you when you call me a name, all you're

1461
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 3: trying to do is disrespect me. Yeah, you know what

1462
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 3: I mean, and get some And here's a peanut gallery thing. Also,

1463
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,560
Speaker 3: you're trying to get some key keys. You're trying to

1464
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 3: get so you're trying to create a name to get

1465
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 3: them to laugh at me. So now what if I

1466
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 3: come for your job?

1467
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 2: Well, it's a president that's been said. Remember Romeome, you

1468
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 2: got smack put hands on camera.

1469
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:41,759
Speaker 3: I remember that.

1470
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: That was the legendary moment that was he asked him

1471
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 2: to stop and he said he said it like three

1472
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 2: more times.

1473
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1474
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 4: That was crazy.

1475
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so to me, that's that's that's the line

1476
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 3: of going too far when you're calling me out my name.

1477
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 3: And now with social it's even more intense because even

1478
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 3: if I'm cool with it and I'm like, it ain't

1479
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 3: no big deal. My brother, not my family, ain't my

1480
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 3: kids not. So now I still gotta come for you, bro.

1481
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: I even I didn't like. I didn't like the way

1482
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: that steven A. I didn't like the way that he

1483
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 2: took the Kyrie thing because I felt like, all right,

1484
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 2: if you don't agree with him getting a shot, which

1485
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 2: was inconsistent because he actually had what's McCauley as his

1486
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 2: NFL player the year, Aaron Rodgers wouldn't get the shot either,

1487
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: so there was an inconsistency in that. But the way

1488
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: that it was almost like he had something personal against him,

1489
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 2: like I mean like that to me and we met Kyrie,

1490
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 2: He's actually a really cool dude. So I thought that

1491
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 2: that's something that is dangerous too, because it's like you

1492
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 2: got a lot of extreme people and like when you're

1493
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 2: fueling a fire and you never know, somebody might take

1494
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 2: that and run with it, like you know what I mean.

1495
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 2: And I felt like that's something that's not responsible to

1496
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 2: kind of put out there, like it crosses the line

1497
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 2: between being a sports and list and being a personal vendetta.

1498
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 6: But it also fuses, like you said, like somebody who's

1499
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 6: not in the right mindset, like what happened with Chris

1500
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 6: Paul at the playoff game. They feel comfortable touching his mom,

1501
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 6: that's an issue. Or like when somebody's saying West Brick

1502
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 6: in front of his family and they just came to

1503
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 6: watch it. Get me right, Like, you don't know what

1504
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 6: that one take that you had to try to get

1505
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 6: labs to try to get raised has now done on

1506
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 6: a personal level to somebody's family.

1507
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 3: And you're calling me a name more importantly, so other

1508
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 3: people will too, right, So you're giving me a tag now,

1509
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 3: and as somebody who's so very grateful that his name

1510
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 3: has become a common name, nobody knows that better than me.

1511
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 3: A name is a symbol like that. That's not a

1512
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 3: shotgun decision. When you're gonna name your kid after somebody,

1513
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 3: that's a nine month everybody get to chime in on

1514
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 3: the name of the baby, parents get to chime in, siblings, grandparents, grid,

1515
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 3: that's not a shotgun. That's not a one night stand decision,

1516
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so when you're calling

1517
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 3: me Box Spice, you're saying it so everybody else will too.

1518
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 3: That's my true problem with it. You're trying to get

1519
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 3: me a tag. So now I gotta defend myself because

1520
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 3: if I don't, then now everybody's gonna think that's cool.

1521
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 3: It's almost like social media. At some point you gotta

1522
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 3: just block.

1523
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 6: People, yeah, or you can't defend yourself right right right,

1524
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 6: because if you do, now you know this person has

1525
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 6: an opportunity every day to say it, and you're not

1526
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 6: gonna get the opportunity to say because you got to

1527
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 6: focus on the craft.

1528
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 3: I'm not judging people that do. I just joined Instagram

1529
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 3: maybe three years ago. At first I wasn't gonna join.

1530
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure my age matures. You know what I'm saying.

1531
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 3: It ain't both that. You know what I'm saying. I'm like,

1532
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 3: all right, everybody, you gotta joint. You gotta joint, you

1533
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 3: gotta joint. And the one thing I noticed, and I

1534
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 3: never do this, and again there are other people that

1535
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 3: do this, But if I post something, I ain't about

1536
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 3: to argue with the people in the comments. I posted it.

1537
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 3: I said it, and I'm gonna stand on it. I

1538
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 3: ain't about to now get in the comments and be

1539
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 3: arguing with everybody about what I just said. I'm just

1540
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 3: not gonna do that. And that's the same thing that

1541
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 3: we have here is if you're calling me a name,

1542
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 3: you're disrespecting me, so be ready for me to pour

1543
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 3: receipts on you. And normally in these cases, and we're

1544
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 3: talking about one point four, he didn't handle it well

1545
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 3: when I pull his receipts. He didn't handle it well.

1546
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 3: Because usually if you're a junior playing JV, that's almost

1547
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 3: like a.

1548
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 8: Bully, right right, So, but but now if people say

1549
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:02,719
Speaker 8: that to him, right, he'll be mad.

1550
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 4: Still at me.

1551
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 3: Because I put it out there. And that's how the

1552
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 3: athlete feels when you do that to them.

1553
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are your own medicine.

1554
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the fact that is.

1555
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 2: Well, before we leave, just one one question I got

1556
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 2: to ask you. I don't like to just do top five,

1557
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 2: it is kan generic, but I want to ask you this,

1558
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 2: who is the top three college teams? Because you want

1559
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 2: a legendary team. You want you want a legendary team,

1560
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 2: top three college teams, and that could be for just talent,

1561
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 2: a loan or impact or whatever however you want to I've.

1562
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 3: Never been asked this.

1563
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 4: We've had this, we had this conversation.

1564
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 3: So okay, okay, so my top three can excuse themselves.

1565
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 2: No, no, he got it.

1566
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 3: Well, the Fab five is in there. That's one, of course,

1567
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 3: U N l V.

1568
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 4: What's your l J Stacey og Man championship year? The

1569
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 4: year any year? Okay they now they lost to do

1570
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 4: but that they had two years they won and they lost.

1571
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 3: The year they lost the Duke I was in Anderson

1572
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 3: I was. It was in southwest Detroit and Anderson Hunt's

1573
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 3: basement with full U and l V gear on and

1574
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 3: like you and the five five lost. Tears came down

1575
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 3: my eyes. I never knew that I'd be playing against

1576
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 3: Duke the next year in the finals. That's crazy. That's crazy.

1577
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Fab five running rebels. I mean, I love

1578
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 3: DC Syracuse teams.

1579
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me.

1580
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,839
Speaker 3: Sherman, Douglas, Stevie Towmson.

1581
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 2: You want to throw a couple more, you want to

1582
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 2: do five? Just around it, all right, let's do five?

1583
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 3: All right? All right? Okay?

1584
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,719
Speaker 2: Because Georgetown, which one.

1585
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 3: I was gonna go to one before Patrick Patrick, Edgie

1586
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 3: williams wing Gate that squad.

1587
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's like the eighty fourteen ye and.

1588
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 3: I mean that Carolina squad with Jordan's Worthy, you know, so.

1589
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 4: All yes, go all right?

1590
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 3: Got it?

1591
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 2: So all right, that's that's the sort. What I said

1592
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 2: was for what impacted me personally was you guys, of

1593
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: course U n l V. Of course North Carolina. But

1594
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 2: the different North Carolina team when they had Vince Carter

1595
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 2: agreed Jamison.

1596
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but see they're younger than me. Yeah, they're younger.

1597
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 4: That's why everything is.

1598
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, how impacted.

1599
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,600
Speaker 6: Remember at Coda Shaman Williams Knocktart so.

1600
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 3: Are you ready for this? Mac Tar played with Tim Duncan.

1601
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 3: At wake Forest he played with Rashie, and North Carolina

1602
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 3: played with us, and that's what I got. Yeah, it

1603
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 3: was he was so Larry Brown was my coach with

1604
01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 3: the Pacers. One year in pre season we actice at Carolina.

1605
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 3: I went to campus the first time I seen Rashie,

1606
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:13,600
Speaker 3: Vince Carter, Stackhouse rocking Michigan gear on campus at Carolina,

1607
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 3: and they was like, Dean Smith, love you dog. They

1608
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 3: took me to Carolina's I guess it was the athletic facility.

1609
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 3: It was a picture of me hanging up shooting the

1610
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 3: ball over Bobby Hurley. It was it was like Dean

1611
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 3: love you. I was like, well, he ain't love me,

1612
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 3: not let me win that champions you know what I mean?

1613
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 3: But I love them too, like like squads after me,

1614
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 3: like players at Like when I say after me was

1615
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 3: like after I was in college. Bubble Chuck for sure.

1616
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: So that was my name. So like for me, it's

1617
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 2: moments in time. And I got that same feeling that

1618
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 2: I had when y'all got was playing, when Allen Iverson's playing.

1619
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 2: But it wasn't just Ai. It was Victor Page, also Pages.

1620
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 3: Lefty Strong, you love him. It was love Y again.

1621
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 4: I love also Della Harrington, Chunky Piston.

1622
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 2: They had like four NBA players on that.

1623
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 6: But the conversation, Carolina was to the conversation we had

1624
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 6: was who was the most you said, I said the

1625
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 6: ninety Kentucky You said, Duke. They never said I would

1626
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 6: never say that's not true, all right, So if I

1627
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 6: did say dude, you know that the conversation was.

1628
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 4: The most talented basketball team. And so we talk of talent.

1629
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 6: There's no more there's no team that has more NBA

1630
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 6: players than the ninety six Kentucky team.

1631
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 3: That's a fact.

1632
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 6: There's not even that's wall Boogie, that's Blessed Mercer ninety.

1633
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 6: They beat Otil and they Ailson was at Ohio State,

1634
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 6: heard his knee and trans Kucky. That's what they had,

1635
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 6: Antoine Walker and Colder and no no, no, Antoine Walker,

1636
01:33:54,520 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 6: Tony delk Walt to McCarty, uh Ron Mercer. That's five

1637
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 6: NBA first round players. Squad first round you.

1638
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 4: Had, like guys off the bench. I think it's.

1639
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 2: Got How do you measure that impact in the league though.

1640
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 4: Now that said talent, that said talent, that's different.

1641
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 3: What about the Kentucky team with wall Boogie.

1642
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 4: But they didn't win Bladtae, they didn't win.

1643
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 3: They did, they didn't win.

1644
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 6: And then the net so that the Duke one was yo,

1645
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 6: that ninety eight Duke team that lost to Yukon are

1646
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,759
Speaker 6: not just super Corey mcghetty, Melton brand trains your LinkedIn

1647
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 6: like that that team.

1648
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Where you you talent, you gotta measure them about what

1649
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 2: they did in the NBA also on them.

1650
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 6: That's so then you name it better than the Kentucky one.

1651
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 6: I mean they got eight NBA players. That's tough to do.

1652
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 2: Bro, that is crazy.

1653
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 4: That's tough to do.

1654
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 2: That is crazy.

1655
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:46,719
Speaker 3: That's tough.

1656
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have the same cultural impact.

1657
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 6: Now I didn't have a culture impact now they I

1658
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 6: mean Patino was a coach, he probably has more impact

1659
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:54,759
Speaker 6: on the game than those guys.

1660
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 4: But you know, Sideat was also who.

1661
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 3: No doubts, just saw him at the posts when the

1662
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 3: Celtics was playing.

1663
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 2: He was the best one on the team Korea.

1664
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 6: Watch career watch for sure, but Derrick Anderson, had he

1665
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 6: not get hurt, probably was At.

1666
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 4: I mean equally as talented. My mercer didn't really pan

1667
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 4: out like we thought.

1668
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, there was a crazy talented team and that

1669
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 3: that really set the stage to Cale doing the one

1670
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 3: and done thing. They beat you mass that's at the

1671
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 3: stage I know said that's new row, new role on Marcus.

1672
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 2: I used to padilla, Yeah, head guard.

1673
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 6: I usually that's when you used to I used to

1674
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 6: like literally vhu like vhs at all the games. Like

1675
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 6: the last time I did that and it hurt my

1676
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 6: heart was the ninety seven Championship.

1677
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 4: I'm a Kentucky fan.

1678
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 6: That's why you said Jamal Masher, I'm like, oh, yeah,

1679
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 6: I love him and Travis for it. That's when I

1680
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 6: start like, oh these monks so y'all. You could see

1681
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 6: like obviously that but the impact was big, but they

1682
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 6: lost to my bibby in Arizona.

1683
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 4: One. I can't I can't do this no more. It's

1684
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 4: too emotional.

1685
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 3: But I'm glad you pulled my coat to that Kentucky

1686
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 3: team having hey pros. I slept on that. That's true.

1687
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 3: That's what I do.

1688
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 6: You know, I have a career in sports at some point.

1689
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 3: This is what we know.

1690
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: We do the sports thing all day every day.

1691
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did have the five jersey with the bulls.

1692
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 4: And my daughter's middle name.

1693
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 3: Is Rose Lessons.

1694
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 4: But we'll talk about that. So it was gonna be jailing,

1695
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 4: no joy, it was gonna be jailing. But her name

1696
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,639
Speaker 4: is Jordan. But you can see why.

1697
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 3: You, Michael Jordan, get the edge every now and slightly.

1698
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 2: Oh nah, appreciate you, brother, Thank you.

1699
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,919
Speaker 3: I appreciate y'all. And the number one thing I appreciate.

1700
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 3: First off, I'm a fan of y'all show, and there's

1701
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 3: nothing like that in the marketplace. We need more intelligent,

1702
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 3: responsible brothers that have the pulse of our culture, but

1703
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 3: also how the respect of our people. So I thank y'all.

1704
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 3: And then the other thing, I want to thank all

1705
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,560
Speaker 3: y'all for actually coming here. See Detroit is one of

1706
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 3: those places like you gotta get on the airplane. You

1707
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 3: see what I mean. It ain't a part of yall

1708
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 3: normal route. You see what I say, y'all have to

1709
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 3: look at the schedule, like when we're going to Detroit, sous.

1710
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 3: But you see what I'm saying.

1711
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 2: I think I like about Detroit shouting. My god can

1712
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 2: shout out to chill, you know, but Detroit real solid dudes,

1713
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's like old school. It's like

1714
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 2: the old school, like you know what I'm saying, Like

1715
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 2: heavy integrity, like and they just good dudes, you know

1716
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,879
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like everybody that I met from Detroit

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Speaker 2: is real, like just real cool, real play, like real solid.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I mean. Like when y'all come back,

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01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 3: depending on what day it is, I love to take

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01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 3: you guys out and show y'all around a little bit

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01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 3: for sure, done and done. Let me know when y'all

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01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 3: gonna come back. I know we're here on the Daylight

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01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 3: Tip and we're talking about j R l A educate

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01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 3: the community, but.

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Speaker 2: We got too, so we do events all over, like

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01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 2: we did a big event in Atlanta that you definitely

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01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 2: have to do a done.

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01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 3: Let me know done.

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Speaker 2: Anything that you want to tell of people before before

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01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 2: we rap? How can they donate to the school actually.

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01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 3: So the JR lad Trade dot com for more information

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01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 3: about the school. We're open enrollment with tuition free with

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01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,799
Speaker 3: public charter in in our twelfth year of operation. Right now,

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01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 3: I have a capital campaign where I'm raising ten million

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01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 3: dollars to expand our facility so that we can have

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01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 3: a state of the our collegiate gym, so we don't

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01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 3: have to have rotating teachers. We can have a couple

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01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:43,440
Speaker 3: of more classrooms. Trying to create a holistic space for meditating, praying, yoga, stretching,

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01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 3: and counseling. And so this school is a community hub.

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01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 3: When the pandemic happens, we open it up as a

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01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 3: voting site. We feed families, We presented an opportunity for

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01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 3: people to get vaccinated. So this is a labor of

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01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 3: love for the community. So I'm grateful that you guys can't.

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Speaker 2: We're definitely gonna put the link in the description and

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01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 2: we're gonna donate as well, because you know it's inspiring

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01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 2: to see what you're doing. Thanks, So keep up the

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01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 2: great work, brothers.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you. Man.

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Speaker 2: Love there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, that's a rapper.

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Speaker 3: Daln Rose y'all.

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Speaker 5: My graduates from my school being force back drop drop

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01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 5: Mike drop back drop.

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Speaker 9: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child

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01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 9: in Massachusetts. An MS thirteen gang member from El Salvador

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01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 9: accused of murdering a Texas man of Venezuelan charged with

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01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:53,600
Speaker 9: filming and selling child pornography in Michigan. These are just

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Speaker 9: some of the heinous migrant criminals caught because of President

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Speaker 9: Donald J. Trump's leadership. I'm Christine, the United States Secretary

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Speaker 9: of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border crossings

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Speaker 9: are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over one

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01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 9: hundred thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. If you are

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01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 9: here illegally, your next you will be fined nearly one

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Speaker 9: thousand dollars a day, imprisoned, and deported. You will never return.

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01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 9: But if you register using our CBP home app and

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01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 9: leave now, you could be allowed to return legally. Do

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01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 9: what's right, leave now. Under President Trump, America's laws, border

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Speaker 9: and families will be protected.

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Speaker 4: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security,