1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. When Vice President Kamala 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Harris announced her running mate in twenty twenty four would 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: be the current governor of Minnesota, Tim Waltz, many of 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: us did not know that much about him. Waltz was 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: a teacher, a football coach, a congressman from Minnesota's first District, 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: and currently serves as the governor of Minnesota, but when 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: he hit the national stage, very little was known about 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: his politics. In his new book about Waltz, Behind the Veil, 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: A Stand against Governor Tim Waltz, Paul Gizelka tells the 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: real story. Gizelka worked alongside Waltz when he served as 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Minnesota's Senate Majority leader from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one. 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: Following the vice presidential debate on Tuesday night, our conversation 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: couldn't be time Leader. So I'm really pleased to welcome 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: my guest, someone who knows Waltz personally, has worked with Waltz, 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: and has great stories to tell. Paul Guzoka. Paul, welcome, 16 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining me in the Newts World. 17 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 2: Well, newt It's great to be on your show, and 18 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: it's been a while since I've seen you and been 19 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: with you, and so it was like one of my 20 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: favorite national leaders, the Contract with America, and so really 21 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: glad to be talking to you. 22 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: I have to tell you I received several emails from 23 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: friends when your book came out. I ordered it right away, 24 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: and I think it is probably the most revealing book 25 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: about Waltz that I know of. So you have a 26 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: unique position. But before we get to the book, into 27 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: the past, you know, we just had this vice presidential debate, 28 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: and I'm curious what your reaction was to Waltz's performance. 29 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: I think Vance slaughtered him. I mean, he looked like 30 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: a deer in the headlights. And when you have to 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: memorize what you're going to say, which is what Walls 32 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: had to do versus Vance, knowing clarity what he wanted 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: to say, you could see one candidate was very calm. 34 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: The other candidate just seemed really, really nervous. And you know, 35 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: so I don't think he did well. And I was 36 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: surprised that he didn't even have to talk about his 37 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: role as a leader in Minnesota, because there was plenty 38 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: of other things that he could talk about to show 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: his strengths. 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking Vance, klust and I watched the debate, and 41 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: I sort of had the feeling that there were moments 42 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: where Walts just blanked out, that he wasn't sure what 43 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: was going on or what to do. And I'm curious, 44 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: when you dealt with him, what was your sense of 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: him in that sense me, when you negotiated directly with him, 46 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: what was that like? 47 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: You know, the negotiations. At first pre COVID, I thought 48 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: he wanted to raise taxes a lot, and he wanted 49 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: to do an extreme left agenda policy wise, and I 50 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: had already had two years of experience as leader, and 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: so we really really did well. We ended up lowering 52 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: taxes the biggest tax cut in Minnesota history, of which 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: he tried to take credit for at the Democrat National Convention. 54 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: But once he got emergency powers, once he had to 55 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: make decisions about the riots after the death of George Floyd, 56 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: he froze there too, where he kind of went into 57 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: this frozen he wouldn't make a decision. Well, that was 58 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: the experience I had through many decisions related to COVID, 59 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: and many decisions related to the riots, and then even 60 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: beyond that. 61 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation about his inability to tell 62 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: the truth. And I was particularly struck last night when 63 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: they asked him about Teneman Square and he started by 64 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: wandering around and meandering, and the moderator came back and said, well, 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: you know what I ask you about was why did 66 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: you say you were a tenement square when you weren't there? 67 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: And he said one of the great lines of the 68 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: debates I've ever seen, He said, I'm just a knucklehead 69 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: in your sense when you dealt with him, was he 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: generally honest or did you have a constant challenge to 71 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: know what was behind what he was saying? 72 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: Well, particularly in public, his conversation with the media was 73 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: typically grandiose, exaggeration, or lying, depending on how he wanted 74 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: to define it. But they didn't really fact check them 75 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: a lot in Minnesota, and I mean it's coming out 76 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: more later. I worked with Governor Mark Dayton. He was 77 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: a Democrat before Walls, and a handshake deal was a 78 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: handshake deal, and that's why we got along pretty well. 79 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 2: It wasn't quite that with Tim Wall. They never really 80 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: felt like I knew exactly where he was coming from, 81 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: what he was trying to do, And that's hard to 82 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: govern with somebody on the opposite side of the aisle. 83 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: When that's how you feel, that. 84 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: Doesn't speak well of them. But I have to say, 85 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: having negotiated for years with Bill Clinton, you always knew 86 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: that you didn't know Clinton's capacity to look you in 87 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: the face, tell you how totally he was with you, 88 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 1: and three minutes later indicate that he didn't really quite 89 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: mean always with you, meant always with you. It was 90 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: just amazing. And I get the sense of Walts in 91 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: that sense is not as sophisticated and congenital as Bill was. 92 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's nobody at that level. But you know, 93 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: and I put a lot of that in the book 94 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: Behind the Veil, because I wanted people to see how 95 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: he negotiated, how he made decisions. Once COVID hit, I 96 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: had complete text strings of all of our conversations, through 97 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: all of these decisions, making what I said he should do, 98 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: what he ended up doing. I just didn't put him 99 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: word for word in the book, just because there is 100 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: some benefit of behind the scene conversations. But he's not 101 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: a good leader in a crisis. The number one thing 102 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: I hope people understand when a crisis hits, he's not 103 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: a good leader. And then the second one is when 104 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: he has power, he can't be trusted. I mean with 105 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: emergency powers. Literally, I got the Democrats in Minnesota's House 106 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: to agree with me against his wishes to take his 107 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: powers away from him after he'd had it for almost 108 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: a year and a half? 109 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: Was he year since? Occasionally he just froze up. 110 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: I'll tell you where he really froze up. A very 111 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: important example of that was death of George Floyd. Was 112 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: on a Monday. Everybody saw that video. I mean it 113 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: was gripping. Tuesdays the riots started, and that should have 114 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: been a clue. Wednesday, the mayor of Minneapolis asked walls 115 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: for the National Guard, and that's when he really froze 116 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: sat on his hands. Thursday, the Third Precinct police station 117 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: burned down. First one and over one hundred years in America. 118 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: Now I'm texting and behind the scenes, you know, where 119 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: are you? He was very defensive, you know, he said, well, 120 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: you should get with your buddy. He was the head 121 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: of Minneapolis Police. And I tried to connect those two. 122 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: Friday wells Fargo burns down. Now it's one thousand, five 123 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: hundred buildings damaged that are destroyed, half a billion dollars 124 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: worth of damage. Now I'm calling the White House and 125 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: I'm asking them to get a message to Trump that 126 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: he's going to have to intervene. And finally, on Saturday, 127 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: he finally got the National Guard out at night and 128 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: they turned the tide. But then, you know, as we 129 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: started to go through the records, we did hearings in 130 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: Minnesota Senate, and the General John Jensen of the National Guard, 131 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: we asked him under testimony, could you have stopped this 132 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: had you been called up sooner? And the short answer 133 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: is absolutely yes. He blamed the mayor of Minneapolis. Then 134 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: the Minneapolis mayor showed proof that he asked. Then he said, well, 135 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: they're just a bunch of nineteen year old cooks anyway, 136 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: the National Guard, so poor decision maker. And then once 137 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: the decisions he made were bad, he blamed others for them, 138 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: rather than what a good leader does say I was wrong. 139 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: I'll take the heat. 140 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm surprised by your comment about you know, nineteen year 141 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: old coups, because he makes a great deal out of 142 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: his own role in the Guard, and you'd have thought 143 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: that he had some sense of respect for the Minnesota Guard. 144 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: You would think that, I mean, and that's you know. 145 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: Even when I was pushing him, he said, well, you've 146 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: never served. I was three years out of high school 147 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: right after Vietnam and I didn't and I am grateful 148 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: for those that do serve. But he positions himself as 149 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: for rural America, and it's like that is the opposite 150 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: of the direction he's going. He got caught on tape 151 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: once when he was running for governor talking about northern Minnesota, 152 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: rural Minnesota. He said that just a bunch of rocks 153 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: and Cole's out there anyway. He might have thought it 154 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: was funny, either the guard comments or the rural Minnesota, 155 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: but it really is something that shows a lack of 156 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: respect for those people. 157 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: Were you surprised given everything you knew when Kamala picked him. 158 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: I was very surprised. And here's what I told. Somebody said, 159 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: if she picks Walls, it shows that she's a week leader. 160 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: If she picked Shapiro, even though there's some pressure because 161 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 2: he's Jewish and she had a lot of Muslim supporters, 162 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: I thought, if she goes that route, it shows she's 163 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: a little bit stronger leader, that she's willing to take 164 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: a little bit of heat. But she picked Tim Walls, 165 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: and I thought, honestly, it shocked. When I wrote the 166 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: manuscript Behind the Veil, I wasn't thinking about it as 167 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: something to speak against Tim Walls and don't hire him. 168 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: I was just writing about my experiences in government and 169 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: how to make government work in a divided state. But 170 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: then suddenly he's the guy, and I've got the manuscript written, 171 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: and so we rushed to get it out. I focused 172 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: the second half of the book on many of his 173 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: leadership decisions that really show what kind of a leader 174 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: he is, and it's not good. 175 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: Why do you think she picked Walls? 176 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: My guess is she didn't realize all of this stuff 177 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: that would come out about him. I think she figured 178 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: he's going to represent rural America. She's got a in 179 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: many swing states that are spread out throughout that area, 180 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: and I don't think she knew what she got. But 181 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: you know, he's a great cheerleader for her. But I 182 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: don't view either one of them as strong leaders. And actually, 183 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: even though I don't think he's a good leader, I 184 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: think he's a stronger leader than she is. So he's 185 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: going to have a lot of influence in her administration 186 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: if they win. I hope that's not the case. But 187 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: that's why I want people to read the book. 188 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: You sarved with three different governors, Templenty, an old friend 189 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: of mine who's a Republican, and then the Democrats, Mark 190 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: Dayton and Timols. How would you compare the three? 191 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: Well, both Plenty and Dayton. We're very effective, and I 192 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: think people saw as very genuine. I mean, Mark Dayton 193 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 2: was heading a different direction than where I wanted to go. 194 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: But at least you knew where he was coming from. 195 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: He spoke to a Chamber of Commerce event, a large dinner, 196 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: and he choose out the crowd says you all need 197 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: to pay more taxes. Well, that's where he was coming from, 198 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 2: so at least he told us. But with Walls, he 199 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: was just a little more COI and you didn't really 200 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: know who he was or what he was trying to accomplish. 201 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: So as he's trying to position himself as this moderate 202 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: When he was a congressman, he was in a rural district, 203 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: so his voting wrecord was moderate. But as soon as 204 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: he was running for governor, he got rid of his 205 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: NRA hat and every policy he tried to do was 206 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: far left. We just stopped him in Minnesota, we had 207 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: a one seat majority in the Senate, our Republican majority. 208 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 2: Everything else was controlled by Democrats. The courts, seven appointed 209 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: Supreme Court judges right now are appointed by Democrats, every 210 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: statewide office by Democrats. So we were able to stop him. 211 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: But he was trying to do all those things, and 212 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: then in twenty twenty three he got the trifecta and 213 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: everything that I said he was trying to do he 214 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: actually did and it wasn't good. 215 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: Our mutual friend former Combers and Ben Webers said to 216 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: me that once they had complete power in the House, 217 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: Senate and governorship, they ran through one of the most 218 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: radical state legislatic programs in the country, and that he 219 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: had gone to the White House and said, this is 220 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: how you do it. So if you win in twenty 221 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: twenty four, this is how I can come in and 222 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: really drive the country to the left very fast. 223 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's interesting too. He only did one 224 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: debate when he ran for government the second time around, 225 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: and stays away from the media. So that game plan 226 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: you can see for Harrison Walls now. But to give 227 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: you an idea, in twenty twenty three, then we had 228 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: an eighteen billion dollars surplus because we didn't want to 229 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: spend it and they didn't want tax relief. He spent 230 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: all of that. He raised taxes ten billion dollars, increased 231 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: spending forty percent forty percent in one year, and then 232 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: now we show a structural deficit in the future for Minnesota. 233 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: As far as policy, you know, he says he's four 234 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: reproductive rights, but it's abortion all the way up to birth. 235 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: And he eliminated two simple compromises. We had. Number one, 236 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 2: if a young lady got pregnant, we gave them resources 237 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: to help that woman be successful. He took all that 238 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: money away. And then we had passed a born Alive 239 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: legislative policy, which simply said, if abortion has botched that 240 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: baby's alive, the doctor needs to help that baby survive. 241 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: He eliminated that language too, So in the debate when 242 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: he says it's not what you say, it is what 243 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 2: vance was pointed out to him. Maybe two others clean 244 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: energy they passed by twenty fortyilities have to have one 245 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: hundred percent renewable energy or carbon free. It's impossible in Minnesota. 246 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 2: We don't have enough. Nuclear wind doesn't work when it's 247 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: twenty two below or colder. Solar if it's not sunny, 248 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: and so it doesn't work, but they did it anyway. 249 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: And then one last one, when he brags about paid 250 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: family leave, they say, if you're an employer with one employee, 251 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: you have to pay this tax. The employee does too, 252 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: and that employee can have up to twenty weeks off 253 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: every single year. You know, they have to be eligible. 254 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: But I can envision some employees may milk that system 255 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: and it doesn't work. That's why I say extreme, because 256 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: he really was. 257 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: You're describing on energy, something which is happening all over 258 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: the industrial world, and in places like Germany, they're beginning 259 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: to collapse because it's so clearly he's not sustainable. Why 260 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: do you think when the experts come in and they explain, 261 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: you're not going to have an electric and we need 262 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: more electricity, not less, because of a huge computing power 263 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: for artificial intelligence. Why do these guys not notice that 264 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: there is a real world. 265 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: I can only assume that they think their base loves 266 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: that rhetoric. But it's their job, it's all of our 267 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: jobs to help people connect the dots between what works 268 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: and what doesn't work, and how fast we do it. 269 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: I'm not against clean energy. I'm not against electric cars, 270 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: but let the market drive it. I think Jade Vance 271 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: was brilliant last night when he said, if you really 272 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: care about clean energy, let's bring those jobs back to America, 273 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: where we do it cleaner than anybody else. But every 274 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: one of those issues, I feel like they're pandering to 275 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: their base. For example, during the riots in Minnesota, one 276 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: of the reasons I think he sat on his hands 277 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: is because a big number of those protesters were their base, 278 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: and so he didn't want to turn them off. So 279 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: he's trying to make a decision, threading the needle between 280 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: them protecting the state. But in the end, the state 281 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: is the one that lost. 282 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: Several friends close to has They now live in Minneapolis, 283 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: and one of them lives in the neighborhood where the 284 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: police station was burned down, where the local store was 285 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: burned down. It went from being a really nice, middle 286 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: class neighborhood being a disaster in four days. 287 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: I used to call Minneapolis in Saint Paul's Shining Cities. 288 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: I mean, they were far safer once the riots began. 289 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: What followed was a very anti police movement, of which 290 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: Governor Walls was leading. I just wouldn't let him do 291 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: all these anti police policies. But the Minneapolis police force 292 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: went from eight hundred members down to about three hundred 293 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: and fifty, and they had wanted to grow to twelve hundred. 294 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: So they were just not enough. They couldn't do their job. 295 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: They weren't appreciated, and Tim Walls was not standing up 296 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: for him. During the riots, I went to the basement 297 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: of the Capitol where all of these police groups were meeting. 298 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: They were staging to go take back the streets. He 299 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: never showed up there. He never ever thanked them for 300 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: the risk that they were taking to take our streets back. 301 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: And carjackings went up to almost I think it was 302 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: like two a day at the peak in Minneapolis, when 303 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: it had been much more rare. And so all of 304 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 2: that is because of bad leadership. 305 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: Most of my life going to the cities, you saw 306 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: it as one of the nicest and cleanest and safest 307 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: places in America, and all of a sudden you have 308 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: entire neighborhoods that are dangerous. 309 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I think a big part of 310 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 2: that is if you don't appreciate the police and you 311 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 2: make it difficult for them to do their job, and 312 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: then if they make a mistake, you put the hammer down, 313 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: which is what Walls and Attorney General Keith Ellison did 314 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: in Minnesota. You're not going to have the same kind 315 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: of impact that you wanted to have to keep your 316 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 2: cities safe. I'm a big believer in backing the men 317 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 2: and women in blue, and they like us. If there's 318 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: a bad apple in their group, they want to pluck 319 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: that bad apple out too. But you don't throw away 320 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: all the good police officers and the work they do 321 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: for us. 322 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: At a state wide level, you're the largest center of 323 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: Somali refugees in the country. What's their impact on the 324 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: politics and governance of Minnesota. 325 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: Well, they vote almost completely Democrats. It's about one hundred 326 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: thousand people. I will say when I was in office, 327 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: I was trying to make inroads into their communities because 328 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: many of their beliefs line up more on the Republican side. 329 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: I heard from one Democrat legislator that was ousted by 330 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 2: another Democrat challenger who was Somali that he thought that 331 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: there was in that race. It wasn't enough in the 332 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: Trump election to make a difference in Minnesota, but there 333 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: is influence. Congressman Omar is from a district that is 334 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: heavily populated with the Somalis, and even when she's challenged 335 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: by the Democrat side, she seems to hold her own. 336 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: One of the places I would say, rivaling the mishandling 337 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: of the riots was the weird stuff that Waltz did 338 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: during COVID. You say this in your book, he should 339 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: in order that said you could have up to fifty 340 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: people in a bar and ten people in a church. 341 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean, what is the rationale for that? 342 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: There is no rationale. I think what it showed was 343 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: he doesn't give a lot of weight to the church 344 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: community and the need for spiritual connections. And I mean 345 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: that was like the last straw for some of these 346 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: church leaders. My wife said, let's just do church in bars. 347 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: We're going to disregard it. So I was doing zoom 348 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: meetings with the church, and I put this in the 349 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: book Behind the Veil because I wanted people to understand 350 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: some of the dynamics of actually having to work against him. 351 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: And these church leaders they wanted to work with the governor, 352 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 2: any governor, but they finally reached a point where they said, 353 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: we're going to open up anyway. We don't care what 354 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: you say. I think it was their constitutional right. If 355 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: you have a Walmart open with five hundred people, then 356 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 2: you have to have a church open. That brought him 357 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: back to the table. It all happened behind the scenes. 358 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: But then he finally agreed to two hundred and fifty people. 359 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: But you couldn't do funerals, You couldn't do weddings. But 360 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 2: suddenly the George Floyd funeral, Well, we can do that one. 361 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 2: So he picked and choosed winners and losers. That's where 362 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: I say he didn't handle power well because he thought 363 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: I can decide all of this. It was like king 364 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 2: like powers. I remember behind the scenes he said I'm 365 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: going to buy a morgue and I said, you don't 366 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: need a more Why don't you lease the building? Why 367 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: don't you go at freezer trucks? And that's where it's 368 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: nice to have the documentation. He went ahead and did it. 369 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: He said, fifty thousand people are going to die. At 370 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: the same time. I looked at the same data, the 371 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: same science, and I said it's going to be five 372 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: thousand people. And a year later it was five thousand people. 373 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: And we never used the more these decision making in 374 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: crisis he looks at the data wrong or he freezes. 375 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: And now let's say he's second command of the United 376 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: States of America. You do not get do overs against 377 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: Russia or China, or Iran or North Korea. And that's 378 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: what you're bringing to the table if you're electing him. 379 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: I read somewhere that at the point where he had 380 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: closed the churches, he allowed all of the Americans to 381 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: open on the grounds that retail therapy was very important. 382 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: I love the concept of retail therapy. 383 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I say he really undervalued the church. 384 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 2: And you know, he used to scripture last night, and 385 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: I kind of smiled because when I was in negotiations 386 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: with him, I felt all of these negotiation strategies and 387 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: I just smiled because I knew where I wanted to go. 388 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: But one of them was occasionally quoting me a scripture 389 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: because he knows I'm a follower of Christ, and somehow 390 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: that's going to sway me into his rhetoric. But I 391 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: didn't think he valued the church enough. Otherwise, certainly they 392 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: would have had at least fifty when Bars had fifty. 393 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: In a sense that he meets, but he doesn't necessarily listen. 394 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: I think that's a really good way to say it, 395 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: because he'd often say I hear you, Paul, but it 396 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: was like, you don't hear me. For example, when he's 397 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: talking about fifty thousand people will die, and he took 398 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: the personal protection equipment away from surgical centers so they 399 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: couldn't make a profit. He did leave abortion centers open. 400 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: But I said, Governor, are you looking at the data? 401 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: I said, are you looking to New York? Because in 402 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: New York, I said, they have four times the population 403 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 2: of Minnesota, but they don't have the beds being used 404 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: that you say are going to be in Minnesota. But 405 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: he just I hear you, but he didn't listen, you know. 406 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: So that's where it was very frustrated under emergency powers 407 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: because as an almost equal leader Senate majority leader versus governor, 408 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: he had to listen to me. Under emergency powers, he 409 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: could take it under consideration, but he got to do 410 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: whatever he wanted to do. 411 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: On medical issues when you have things as famous as 412 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: the Mayo Clinic, that he certainly was surrounded by people 413 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: who had a pretty sophisticated understanding of the issues. 414 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I think the University of Minnesota, 415 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: the Mayo Clinic didn't have all the answers on it. 416 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: I think it's sort of like I think they were 417 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: looking at worst case scenario, and I was trying to 418 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: weigh out the economic problems, the drug addiction problems, the 419 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: foreclosure problems. So I tried to see it bigger. And 420 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: when you'd see it that way, you're willing to take 421 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: some risks, because there's other risks of not taking those risks. 422 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: So I realized that people were all over the board 423 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: on COVID. You know, That's why I don't focus a 424 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: lot on that issue. But his leadership decisions that one 425 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: the riots, one other one I'll give you, And I 426 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: put this in the book. Behind the Veil as well, 427 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: is there's a statue of Christopher Columbus was a statue 428 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: right next to our capital, and Mike Farcia, who was 429 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: part of the American Indian Movement back in the seventies, 430 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: put out a statement He's going to tear that statue 431 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: down in the afternoon, and the governor saw it. He 432 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: was fully aware of it, and he put one highway 433 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: patrol out next to that statue. As a group of 434 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred people came up to that statue. 435 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: Mike Foresia had a rope in his hand, standing right 436 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: next to the highway patrol person. That person, the highway 437 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: patrol person then goes into the Capitol where there's scores 438 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: and scores of highway patrol. Mike Parcia throws a rope 439 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: around the neck and pulls this you down. And I 440 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: was a mile away, having either lunch ORed in I 441 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: can't remember what it was, a meal. I got up 442 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: there right away and it was already on a flatbeg 443 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: truck being hauled away. And I thought, this is an 444 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: assumption now, but I believe he knew it. I believe 445 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: he looked the other way and let a mob do it. 446 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: And that is the worst kind of leadership decision I 447 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: can possibly imagine. 448 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: This whole notion of catering to the hard left, which 449 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: of course fits perfectly in a Harris Waltz ticket, because 450 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: she was sending out recommendations to give money to an 451 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: organization in Minneapolis that was bailing out the rioters. You 452 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: have Harris in favor of putting the rioters back on 453 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: the street, while you have Waltz trying not to use 454 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: the National Guard to stop them. I mean in some ways. 455 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: It's a perfect ticket. 456 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: If you want to go straight far left and ruin 457 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: the country we have. That is why I've been so aggressive. 458 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: I'm normally fairly mild mannered. I like government to work. 459 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: I try to build compromise, but sometimes you have to 460 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: confront and that's what I'm doing in this case against 461 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: Tim Wallas. I mean, putting the book out, it definitely 462 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: made a statement, you know, and I hope people buy it. 463 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: I mean, just go to Amazon and type in Behind 464 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: the Veil and you can find it. But people need 465 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: to be aware of what kind of leader he is. 466 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 2: They saw last night that he's a terrible debater, but 467 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: what is he like when he makes decisions. 468 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: One of the things I've been working on is the 469 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: whole issue of corruption in government, because the average American 470 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: is very convinced that large parts of the government are 471 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: just playing corrupt. It's not that they're liberal or conservative 472 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: or they're inefficient, they're just corrupt. And you have in 473 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: the Walls administration a perfect example in an organization called 474 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: Feeding Our Future, which apparently stole two hundred and fifty 475 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: million dollars. 476 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's just one of multiple groups that took 477 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: money we had another program to pay frontline workers during 478 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: COVID Bonus, and that one they abused. They gave out 479 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: over two hundred million dollars to people that didn't qualify. 480 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 2: And then there's Medicaid issues, all total more than a 481 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 2: half a billion dollars of fraud and waste. And so 482 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: we brought in the OLA, the Office of Legislator Auditor. 483 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: It's nonpartisan, and they were pounding Governor Wilson his administration 484 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 2: for not being responsible for the dollars that are coming 485 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: into Minnesota. And they just made excuses. I mean, it's 486 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: excuses about the riots, AND's excuses about everything rather than 487 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: just taking responsibility. But waste and fraud is a big deal. 488 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, you know, our federal government is far 489 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: beyond Minnesota, and if they're in charge, I don't think 490 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: he's going to do any better there. I think it'll 491 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: be worse. 492 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: Which gets made is sort of my final big topic, 493 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: which is if whe Harrison Walter do win, what would 494 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: worry you the most? 495 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: The biggest thing for me is if we have a 496 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 2: huge national crisis, particularly against a foreign country. I don't 497 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: think he is even close to ready. I think his 498 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: ability to decide. First of all, it's too slow and oftentimes, 499 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: you know, you have to make decisions on the fly 500 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: where you're gathering information, and his compass doesn't point to 501 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: the right decision. And I do think if Harris is 502 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: the president, I think she's weaker. Yet, so if he's 503 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: who she's leaning on for advice, I think it really 504 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: brings us in the wrong direction. I mean, I don't 505 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: think he has a good grasp of what it takes 506 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: to make money, you know, I just don't think he's 507 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: business savvy at all. I don't think he understands how 508 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: hard it is to make money, and so doesn't really 509 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: I don't think he really cares about the taxpayer in 510 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: the way I think he should. And so those are 511 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: all other issues that I care about, but the biggest 512 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: one is making a decision in a crisis. I don't 513 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: think he's ready. 514 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: Well, if you look at the war in the Middle East, 515 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine, the threat to Taiwan, the southern border, 516 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: there are a lot of places where you'd better have 517 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: a strong leader because we're in real trouble. 518 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: Harris has proven that she's not a strong leader. I mean, 519 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: she was borders are and it's terrible. Wallace is proven 520 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: he's not a strong leader, and so two week leaders 521 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 2: doesn't make a strong leader, you know, versus Trump. Trump's 522 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: not a good job. A lot of people don't like 523 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: his personality and that he's abrasive. But I'll tell you what, 524 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: I'd rather have a strong leader than a week leader 525 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: any day. 526 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: So this is probably a little bit of a silly 527 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: thing to end on, but I can't resist. Can you 528 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: explain the whole coach thing? I mean, was he a coach? 529 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: They're running around with her calling him coach. Oh, I'm 530 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: so glad coach is here. But I keep hearing that 531 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: he was like a volunteer. 532 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: He was an assistant coach. He had a duy and Nebraska, 533 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: and I don't really focus on that much, but I 534 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: think that's part of the reason he was only an 535 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: assistant coach. The assistant coach doesn't make the decisions. He 536 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: didn't make decisions in the National Guard. What I tell 537 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: people's look, he was a teacher, so during COVID, he 538 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: should have known that you should never keep kids out 539 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 2: of school for a long long time. He was an 540 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: assistant coach, he should have known you never should put 541 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: a mask on kids playing basketball. I mean, how silly, 542 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: how dumb is that he was a National Guard member. 543 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: He should have never cut down the National Guard his 544 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: nineteen year old cooks. He should have known that they 545 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: could do their job. 546 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: You know. 547 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: So every area that he brags about, I look at it, 548 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: I say, well, you should have known that. And I 549 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: don't dislike Tim Walls. I don't think he's the right guy. 550 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: And I'm one of the few people that knows him really, 551 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 2: really well behind the scenes, and I say, I'm the 552 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: reference that says don't hire him. That's the reference I am. 553 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: It's okay to have him over for iced tea and cookies, 554 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: but let's not give him any kind of power. 555 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: We promised each other before he was VP candidate that 556 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: we'd get a beer sometime, because you know, you have 557 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: those epic battles. Governor Dayton still calls me Planny and 558 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 2: I when to work Florida. We get together. But you know, 559 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: maybe I'm a little bit too strong now where that 560 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: isn't going to happen. But I don't dislike him. I 561 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: just think he's the wrong guy for the job. 562 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: Oh thank you for joining me. Having an eyewitness who's 563 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: actually worked with him is very helpful. Your new book, 564 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: Behind the Veil, A Stand against Governor Tim Waltz is terrific. 565 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. It's available now on Amazon, and 566 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: our listeners can keep up with what you're doing on 567 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: your website, Gauzeka dot com. So thank you so much 568 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: for being. 569 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: With us newt It was an incredible honor. Thank you 570 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: for what you're doing. I love that you are continuing 571 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: to just lead the way. Thank you so much. 572 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Paul Guzoka. You can get 573 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: a link to buy his new book, Behind the Veil, 574 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: A Stand against Governor Tim Waltz on our show page 575 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: at neworld dot com. New World is produced by Gangrad 576 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive producer is Guarnsey Sloan 577 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: and our researcher is Rachel Peterson. 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