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Speaker 1: I love fishing, and I want to share my interest

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Speaker 1: a d bag about it. Step one, insert your favorite

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Speaker 1: He started asking me about sasquatch and I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is this is really strange. I've heard there's Assenko shortage,

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Speaker 1: foreign troop bier Senko, Good morning to generate anglers. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Bend, the fishing podcast that's connected by contradictions, nourished

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Speaker 1: by non sequiturs, booied by buffoonery, and flourishes on flotsam.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe SURMELI mild wealthy, and I can't believe Joe

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Speaker 1: actually read that intro. You know, I really should have

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Speaker 1: vetted that before we started recording, but I was busy

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Speaker 1: this morning. Oh well, now you know, and knowing is

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Speaker 1: half the bat battle literations aside, this episode really is

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Speaker 1: like a hodgepodge of oddities, much like what you might

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Speaker 1: if you did some snorkeling at your local lakes this summer,

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Speaker 1: which I recommend if you've never done that. And it

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Speaker 1: got me thinking about a conversation that that we've had

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Speaker 1: on and off over the past year between the two

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Speaker 1: of us and and also with our buddy Ryan Callahan,

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Speaker 1: about the things we throw in the water. And when

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Speaker 1: the the editorial we. I'm not talking about society in

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Speaker 1: people who fish. We got we got this email recently

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Speaker 1: And I think Jason summed up the situation pretty eloquently

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Speaker 1: me that I have spent literally my entire life attempting

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Speaker 1: I could not even begin to count how many plastic

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Speaker 1: And I you know, I think that's a perspective that

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Speaker 1: for me personally, right if I break off on a

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Speaker 1: damn it, that was a perfectly good paddle tail. And

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Speaker 1: inevitably it's like I've only got two left in bone white,

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Speaker 1: which is all that's working today, and it's it's very selfish,

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Speaker 1: it's a very selfish reaction. Um, but I rarely give

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Speaker 1: Like that's what we've been discussing. That's that's what this

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Speaker 1: multiple conversations on this show about removing lures in line

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Speaker 1: misfortunately laziness. Um. But we really haven't gone into the depths,

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Speaker 1: I mean the kids, the kids, they just have to

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Speaker 1: from your little trip down Shame Lane. Okay, to remind

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Speaker 1: thirteen fishing makers of fine rods, reels and tackle. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: indeed it is and and one of the ways bringing

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Speaker 1: this back. One of the ways I tried to avoid

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Speaker 1: that shame lately is by fishing their jabber Jah square

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Speaker 1: It's not like I'm like, I'm so stuck with this

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Speaker 1: around you? Yes, yes, it's just like you know, kind

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Speaker 1: I've heard people say this, contrary to what some people think,

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of soft plastics don't buy O D grade.

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Speaker 1: don't know, they're probably not gonna eat like a lifeless

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Speaker 1: spinner bait or crank bait that's wedged in the rocks, right,

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Speaker 1: but no, they very well might eat a sanko or

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Speaker 1: like a torn up creature that's that's quivering down on

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Speaker 1: that definitely happens that. That's that's the thing that that

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Speaker 1: that absolutely happens that I'm not I'm not an expert

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Speaker 1: the first story of the email, it seems like lakers,

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Speaker 1: especially like to munch posted out soft plastics, and it's

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You know, there's a couple there's a couple

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Speaker 1: And I have not heard. I have not heard the

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Speaker 1: for the smooth moves? Absolutely? And I want to preface

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Speaker 1: not a Sasquatch believer. I'll throw that out there. There's

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Speaker 1: five and two pounds. No one in my life has

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Speaker 1: ever mistaken me for doing yoga. And uh, it's like, oh, yeah,

426
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Speaker 1: those the folks that do yoga have higher alpha brain

427
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Speaker 1: wave counts and they have a higher probability of seeing sasquatch.

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Speaker 1: Definitely one of the weirder guide trips I ever put on.

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Speaker 1: And uh one, I mean this was yeah, years ago.

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Speaker 1: One I'll never ever ever forget. So I don't believe

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Speaker 1: in sasquatch, but now I have to know, like this guy,

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Speaker 1: had he seen him, if he was that into it?

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Speaker 1: Like was he one of those Sasquatch dudes that's looking

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Speaker 1: You know, I tried to block a lot of that

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Speaker 1: day out of my marine, and so I don't specifically

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Speaker 1: remember that, but it wouldn't be surprising to me if

437
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Speaker 1: he was, yeah, on the Sasquat safari at some point.

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Speaker 1: What I'm curious about is like, did you ever get

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Speaker 1: any information on what he meant by alpha brain waves

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Speaker 1: and how alpha brain waves impact your ability to see it?

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Speaker 1: Sounds like acid trip stuff like take this and you'll

442
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Speaker 1: ride the snake. It's like Alpa like even harkening back

443
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Speaker 1: to this, once we go into details, there's definitely some

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Speaker 1: PTSD there. It's like I said at the beginning, I

445
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Speaker 1: I've ring a ton of guide trips and it's all

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Speaker 1: really cool folks. I mean, the folks like this are

447
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Speaker 1: the vast exception, and I've done a pretty good job

448
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Speaker 1: compartmentalizing that and vacating most memories other than just the

449
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: batshit crazy stuff that I heard. Fair enough, man, fair enough, well,

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Speaker 1: I think I think the takeaway on this one, if

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Speaker 1: if there is one, is that alpha wave will help

452
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Speaker 1: you see sasquatch, and you should all do yoga if

453
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Speaker 1: you're hoping to get there. And uh, if you wanta

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Speaker 1: have a good day with your guide, probably don't shoot

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Speaker 1: on his truck, his river, and his state all at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of it. That's that. That's good advice right there,

457
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Speaker 1: A good start, Alpha waves, bigfoot, that damn Sam Squatch,

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Speaker 1: Sam squadch, he's going my jerky Uh. I will say

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Speaker 1: that my years of guiding reinforced for me that you

460
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Speaker 1: don't actually have to be smart to get rich, Like

461
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Speaker 1: the phrase more money than sense came to mind from

462
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Speaker 1: time to time, like Joe was very careful to point

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Speaker 1: out many I would say. I would say the vast

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Speaker 1: majority of the people I guided are highly intelligent humans,

465
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Speaker 1: great people, but not all. And I'm not I'm not

466
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Speaker 1: claiming to be the smartest guy on the planet. I'm

467
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Speaker 1: definitely not, but there were definitely days where I was

468
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Speaker 1: sitting there being like, you are so much more wealthy

469
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Speaker 1: than I am, and I know I'm so much smarter

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Speaker 1: than you. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we give you an opportunity to demonstrate that

472
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Speaker 1: intellect you're so certain of? Uh? In the weekly battle

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Speaker 1: of wits we call fish news Fish that escalated quickly.

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Speaker 1: We got a fun little announcement to share with you

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Speaker 1: guys before we getting the news here. By now, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure most of you are familiar with the fish eating

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Speaker 1: fish eating fish. That's what we call it. Fish graphic

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Speaker 1: drawn by our good buddy Mike suit Off for the

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater fishing sticker. That's the first place you saw it.

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Speaker 1: I know some of you have that sticker. Some of

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Speaker 1: you've gotten it from us because we've been sending a

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Speaker 1: bunch out in our bent sticker packs. That graphic is

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Speaker 1: also on the header of our Fishing Weekly newsletter, and

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Speaker 1: guess what, it's now on T shirts and hoodies at

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Speaker 1: the Meat Eater's store. We're excited being I am, I'm excited,

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Speaker 1: and I hope everybody else like they're slick man. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do love T shirts and hoodies in general,

488
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Speaker 1: but you gotta be careful, like your T shooting hoodie

489
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Speaker 1: has to represent you, and I feel like this one

490
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Speaker 1: very much represents both of us, and I think it

491
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Speaker 1: represents a lot of you out there. I think what

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Speaker 1: you see, you're gonna say, yeah, that's me. And there's

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Speaker 1: a strong chance that we're gonna be giving some of

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Speaker 1: these away as you know giveaway items in the near future.

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Speaker 1: Also a strong chance you guys will be able to

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Speaker 1: snag some official Degenerate Angler gear from the Meteor Store

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Speaker 1: in the near future. That stuff is not there yet,

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Speaker 1: but the fish eating fish eating fishing fish it's up.

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Speaker 1: You can buy it now. Yeah, And if you can't

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Speaker 1: find it, just you just search fish eating fish eating

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Speaker 1: fish in Google. Maybe Russian nesting doll fish. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you might find it that way. LRD knows what else

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Speaker 1: you'll find if you search that, But anyway, you know, no,

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Speaker 1: the the Degenerate Angler stuff is in the works. But

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, be the his person at the ramp

506
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Speaker 1: rocking that killer pseudo graphic ID area. And until we

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Speaker 1: have some degenerate Angler gear in the store. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you can still snag free stickers from us by either

509
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Speaker 1: using those Degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags or getting

510
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Speaker 1: a shout out on this show, Speaking of which, I

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Speaker 1: have a few very quick shoutouts before we move on here.

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Speaker 1: First one goes out to Dan Jones, who wrote in

513
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Speaker 1: to just say we missed some low hanging fruit in

514
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Speaker 1: that mean mouth bass story, and he's like, why wouldn't

515
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Speaker 1: why wouldn't that just be called a medium mouth bass?

516
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Speaker 1: Which I thought was was brilliant. He nailed it. That

517
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Speaker 1: was a good one. That was like perfect dead humor

518
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Speaker 1: for both Yes, exactly, sticker sticker pack for Dan um

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Speaker 1: and then Mitch McGee he d m me and he

520
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: says question for you and Miles, how do I show

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Speaker 1: and tell people that I love to fish in a

522
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Speaker 1: way that the Bent Podcast wouldn't make fun of. Examples

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Speaker 1: of things to made fun of, Salt Life stickers, any

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Speaker 1: fishing brand sticker on my truck, driving a Subaru rod

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Speaker 1: Vaults exclusively wearing Salty Crew merch. I love fishing, and

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Speaker 1: I want to share my interest with others, but I

527
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Speaker 1: also don't want to be a d bag about it, dude.

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Speaker 1: Possibly one of my favorite questions, Um, you might well,

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Speaker 1: now you're gonna have bent stickers, so those are approved.

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Speaker 1: Put that you can put those in your truck. You

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Speaker 1: might want to pick up fish eating eating fish t

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Speaker 1: shirt that's approved. Because my real, my real answer to

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Speaker 1: Mitch was just like, dude, don't listen to us. Who

534
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Speaker 1: are we? What do we know? You be here? Okay

535
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Speaker 1: you want to with a rod vault on it? Go

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Speaker 1: for right ahead? Um, and the final one, I gotta

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Speaker 1: I got a quick note from James Miles and his

538
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Speaker 1: daughter Nora in just turned five and she's apparently a

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Speaker 1: big fan of the show and asked if I would

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Speaker 1: give her a birthday shout out. He says, she's mainly

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Speaker 1: into the music. Also some of the stories, most of

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00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: them are over her head, and she's really into the

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Speaker 1: sound bites that Phil adds she's a big Phil fan.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. Happy birthday, Noor. And speaking of Phil,

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Speaker 1: Phil is the guy who gets to judge our news

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Speaker 1: stories when this is all over. Remember this is a competition.

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Speaker 1: Miles and I do not know which news stories the

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Speaker 1: other guy is bringing to the table. It's always an

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Speaker 1: advantage to be the leadoff, and that is you this week, sir,

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Speaker 1: What do you get? And this week especially was a

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Speaker 1: big advantage for the leadoff. I think we both know

552
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Speaker 1: this because he assumed what I was gonna lead with,

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Speaker 1: even though we haven't. We haven't discussed it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna lead with the elephants, or rather the whale

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Speaker 1: in the fish news room this week. That's why I

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Speaker 1: didn't do it, because I wasn't the lead off. We

557
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Speaker 1: have been inundated so many people. I think half the

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Speaker 1: people who listened to this show have already sent the story.

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Speaker 1: But for the other half, here's the biggest watery, fishy

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Speaker 1: story of the week. Michael Packard, a fifty six year

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Speaker 1: old commercial lobster diver from Massachusetts, was diving in forty

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Speaker 1: five ft of water off the coast of Provincetown last

563
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Speaker 1: week when he felt quote this huge bump and then

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Speaker 1: everything went dark. And everything went dark because Packard was

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Speaker 1: inside the mouth of a humpback. Well, now, if you're

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the ocean and you feel an

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Speaker 1: immense force crash into you and then everything goes dark,

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Speaker 1: what would you assume had happened? Um, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I was swallowed by a shark, isn't that I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't know I got hit by a boat

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Speaker 1: or a submarine. See, I would I would assume I

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Speaker 1: got munched by a shark like that would be whether

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Speaker 1: I don't like something slams into me to the bottom

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Speaker 1: and and things go black. I think I just got

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Speaker 1: chewed by a shark and I'm dead. That's what maybe maybe,

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Speaker 1: like the average person would think that, because I'm a

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Speaker 1: shark guy and also large, like it would take a

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Speaker 1: full on negladon to just like make me disappear in

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Speaker 1: one bite. It's even a great white like. So, I

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Speaker 1: see what you're saying. But I don't know. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have thought that. Well, maybe you're just more of a

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Speaker 1: shark expert than the rest of us. But but and

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Speaker 1: Packard would agree with me. He thought he got hit

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Speaker 1: by a shark. But then he told w be Z

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Speaker 1: TV quote. Then I felt around and I realized there

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Speaker 1: was no teeth, and then I had felt really no

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Speaker 1: great pain, and then I realized, oh my god, I'm

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Speaker 1: in a whale's mouth and he's trying to swallow here.

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Speaker 1: This is really nice. Now, for the record, the whale

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Speaker 1: was almost certainly not trying to swallow him, but we'll

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Speaker 1: cover that in a minute. Packard. Baggard wrote on Facebook

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Speaker 1: that he thinks he was inside the whale's mouth for

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Speaker 1: thirty to forty seconds before the whale rose to the

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Speaker 1: surface and spit him out. Now this sounds insane. The

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Speaker 1: whole story, I mean to me, seems utterly implausible. Whales

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Speaker 1: don't eat people. Whales are pretty aware of what's going

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Speaker 1: on around them. The idea that a whale would just

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Speaker 1: like gobble up a scuba diver is frankly ludicrous. But

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Speaker 1: this story has witnesses. Commercial divers work in pairs like

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Speaker 1: with it. There there's a diver and then there's a

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Speaker 1: crewman that stays on the boat top side and and

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Speaker 1: tracks the diver's bubbles so you can help out something

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Speaker 1: goes wrong. Packridge crewman, a guy named Josiah Mayo, was

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Speaker 1: doing just that and then all of a sudden, a

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Speaker 1: whale breached right in front of him and spit out

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Speaker 1: his coworker. And that's got to be crazy. A charter

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Speaker 1: boat captain named Joe Francis was working in the area

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Speaker 1: and also witnessed the incident. Before rushing over to help.

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Speaker 1: He told w b Z TV quote, I saw him

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Speaker 1: might come flying out of the water feet first with

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Speaker 1: his flippers on and land back in the water. I

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Speaker 1: jumped aboard the boat. We got him up, got his

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Speaker 1: tank off, got him on the deck and calmed him down,

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Speaker 1: and he goes Joe. I was in the mouth of

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Speaker 1: a whale. Packard was immediately rushed to Cape Cod Hospital,

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Speaker 1: where he was treated for soft tissue damage, before limping

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Speaker 1: out on his own power later that day. Knowing as

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Speaker 1: we all do, that whales don't eat people, what the

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Speaker 1: hell happened? In Ker, executive director of the group Ocean Alliance,

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Speaker 1: explained that humpback whales employ a strategy called lunge feeding,

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Speaker 1: in which they identify a school of fish, accelerate, quickly

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Speaker 1: open their mouths and quote, taken ten SUV's worth of

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Speaker 1: water and fish and then everything else. Though as we said,

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Speaker 1: hump ACKs are usually pretty aware of their surroundings. It

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Speaker 1: appears that this may have been a juvenile or subadult whale,

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Speaker 1: like a teenager. And if whale teams or anything like

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Speaker 1: human teams, they're feeding behaviors maybe somewhat more reckless and

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Speaker 1: indiscriminate than their elders. Either way, researchers think that there's

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Speaker 1: like a one in a million accident where the diver

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Speaker 1: just happened to be in the wrong place at the

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Speaker 1: wrong time, and the whale just got him by mistake.

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Speaker 1: Humpbacks have very small esopha guy, which is good for

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Speaker 1: this guy, because there's no way the whale goes swallowed

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Speaker 1: packard even if it wanted to. They do, however, have

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Speaker 1: very powerful mouths and jaws, so the whale could have

636
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: easily crushed the diver, likely breaking his neck and her back.

637
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: But that's not what it did. Instead, like it sucked

638
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: him up and went, oh, ship, this isn't what I

639
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: meant to have. I don't want this, and then like

640
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: rushed to the service where it shook its head and

641
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: then potentially used its tongue to eject packard skyward. That's

642
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: the theory. Now, in several of the stories I read,

643
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: people would come up with some kind of analogy for

644
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: how the whale was trying to get rid of and

645
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: react to a foreign object in his mouth, like one

646
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: compared to to a biker getting a bug in their mouth,

647
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, And that's not the analogy that I thought of,

648
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: like when I heard the story analogy pot in my head,

649
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: but it wasn't that. I thought of a fish with

650
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: a plug in its mouth coming to the surface and

651
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: trying to shake it loose. Like that's the image that

652
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: I have in my head, but in a much larger

653
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: scale and with a person, not a plug. And I'm

654
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: not sure if there's any useful insight to be gleaned here,

655
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: but I think Packard's the only person I can think

656
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: of who's like been the lure that the fish was

657
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: trying to throw, you know what I mean, Like he's

658
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: been the lure. Other people have come close, but this

659
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: is the only one I know of where he ended

660
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: up in there fully enclosed. I have no clue if

661
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: experienced like endows him with youthful wisdom that we English

662
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: can use. I don't know, but I would like to think, right,

663
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: I'd like to think he's like, guys, I've been the bait.

664
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: Here's what I know now, Like I don't. He didn't

665
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: do that. He didn't give that any of you that

666
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: that That's what I hope. Last point on this, this

667
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: dude seems to be one of those people to whom

668
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: crazy shit just happens and he survives. Twenty years ago,

669
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: he was in a plane crash in the Costa Rican jungle,

670
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: in which he sustained massive facial lacerations and multiple broken

671
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: bones in his arms and legs. He survived for two

672
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: days in the jungle before being rescued, and the doctor

673
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: said he would not have made it through another night.

674
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: So this dude sounds like the kind of guy they

675
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: would make a movie about. And he actually told the

676
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: New York Post that if they do make a film

677
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: about his life, he'd like to be played by Nick Well. Yeah, okay,

678
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: so yeah, we had we had to touch on that

679
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: when a few you thoughts like I see humpbacks of

680
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: fair amount off Jersey during the striper season because they

681
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: come right in on the bunker schools and that that

682
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: that feeding style. It's no joke, man, And people have

683
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: hooked them by mistake, because they'll hook a striper and

684
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: the bunker and they're fighting it and whale just come

685
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: up and take the whole school one shot, just like

686
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: like a metric ton one shot. And if if if

687
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: your your fishes in the middle of it, it's going

688
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: down too. And like I said, I don't know of

689
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: anybody who's been fully engulfed, But man, I know plenty

690
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: of kayakers who've had some scares. I've had some scares

691
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: on larger boats. I mean it's like a very imposing thing.

692
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 1: They come up straight vertical like that, and like there's

693
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: there's no stopping them. But it I'm not surprised, you know,

694
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised when I read that it was a

695
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: juvenile because most sort of whale follies and foibles, that's

696
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: the case, Like they breach all the time, and it's

697
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: like you're breaching in a fleet of boats. How are

698
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: you not hitting them? But the big ones, like they

699
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: they understand their spatial deal. It happens every once in

700
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: a while, one will come down and clips somebody's about

701
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: and it's always a juvenile. So like they're still they're

702
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: still learning, you know what I mean. When when when

703
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: you were a teenager, did you bump your head on

704
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: shipped constantly? Because I know I did, so it makes

705
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: perfect sense to me. My space didn't actually solidify until

706
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: I was like I didn't butt my head, but I

707
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: would like, you know, be in reverse when I thought

708
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: I was in drive, like go over parking cones like

709
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: jump over the concrete parking. I didn't almost hit a

710
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: lady at the best Buy like the first week I

711
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: had my license. As you know, we don't need to

712
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: get off on that. I'm an excellent driver now, but

713
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: I feel I feel for the juvenile whales. Um. Also,

714
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking about it. I I I

715
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: poked fun it at the shark thing, knowing that, like, oh,

716
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think it was a shark, but dude, great whites,

717
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: cape cod, hand and glove, Like there's there's great whites

718
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: all over up there. So now that I think about it,

719
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: considering where he was in the world, Yeah, like they

720
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: like they tracked them up there all the time. So

721
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad that worked out. What a story, What

722
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: an American, what a tough man, Like if you can

723
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: survive in the jungle after a plane crash, this was

724
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: like no big deal. Thirty seconds in a whale. I've

725
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: got a problem. I'm walking home to night and going

726
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: to Chili's. Um. I know, no good transition whatsoever. I've

727
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: been trying to think of it. I don't have it.

728
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: We've been I feel like we've been sucking on transitions

729
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: in general. Lately and sort of copying out and just

730
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: being I still working it. Okay, all right, fair enough.

731
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: So the only thing I got, which is totally lame,

732
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: is like we had a feud between whale and man.

733
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: Here's another odd feud film. Feel free to cut that

734
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: because that was a ship or don't whatever. Anyway, weird

735
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: feud I found documented on Syracuse dot com. And according

736
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: to this story, um, and I actually did know this.

737
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: New York Seneca River is hailed as one of the

738
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: premier carp destinations in America. It's so good, in fact,

739
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: that the World carp Championships are scheduled to be held

740
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: on its shores in three But there could be a

741
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: monkey wrench that stops that from happening. And that monkey

742
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: wrench is named Tony Crawford. Okay, so Tony Cross, Tony,

743
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: Tony Big Tone. He works for Midway Lakes in King Mountain,

744
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: North Carolina, which is a series of pay legs, and

745
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: apparently Tony and crew have been making annual tracks to

746
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: Seneca with tank trucks, catching a mess of those famous

747
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: trophy carp and hauling them back to King Mountain to

748
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: stock the pay legs. According yes, now, according to Ian Sorrel,

749
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: president of the Carp Anglers Group of North America. He's

750
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: quoted in the story saying it's been a dirty secret

751
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: for a number of years. So Crawford has been doing

752
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: this for a while. This is not a new thing. Uh.

753
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: Here's a quote from the story. Paul Russell, one of

754
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: the co directors of the Wild Carp Classic and a

755
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: carpet fishing guide, said the Seneca has been recognized internationally

756
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: as a premier carp destination. He said anglers participating in

757
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: recent years in the Classic have noted a decrease in

758
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: the fishing quality on the Seneca. Some have decided not

759
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: to come to the Classic as a result. During the

760
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: recent Classic held this pass May, Russell said, only thirty

761
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: one of more than fifty teams caught enough big fish

762
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: meaning fifteen pounds are greater to qualify for the Big

763
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: ten category, which considers the total weight of a team's

764
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: biggest ten fishing has the biggest cash payout. The bigger issue,

765
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: apart from whether Crawford's actions are affecting the quality of

766
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: tournament carp fishing in the river, is whether the practice

767
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: could result in unintended spread of disease and invasive aquatic

768
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: species from one state's waterway to another. So I certainly

769
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: understand the frustration of the recreational carp fishing community here, um,

770
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: and I guess they've kind of they've had enough, and

771
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: they've enlisted the help of New York Assemblyman Will Barkley,

772
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: who the story says is drafting legislation to get the

773
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: activity under state Department of Environmental Conservation control. But the

774
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: thing is, this is not a cut and dry fight,

775
00:39:53,840 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: because Crawford is doing absolutely nothing illegal whatsoever. Why wildlife

776
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: officials from both New York and North Carolina are like, yeah, sorry,

777
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: I kind of don't care carp or not game fish.

778
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: There are no walls saying they can't be broad across

779
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: state lines, and if they're being stocked in a privately

780
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: owned body of water, it's perfectly fine. There are no

781
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: rules or regulations in either state governing this. So what

782
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: the story doesn't tell us is exactly how many fish

783
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: or pounds of fish Crawford and company are taking. And

784
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: I also question, just to sort of play Devil's advocate,

785
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: if this one dude and his car henchmen are really

786
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: that responsible for a downturn in carpet numbers because there's

787
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: no mention of bow fishing in this article. But in

788
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: my experience, I think you've seen the same thing. Where

789
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: there are a lot of common carp, there are bow fishermen.

790
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: And just again, a quick Google search turned up plenty

791
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: of hits for bow fishing on the Seneca. Um. All

792
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: that said, having hung out with really really devoted carp

793
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: guys like the euro guys, like I feel the pain here,

794
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: Like you already are always worrying about bow fishing and

795
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: how that's going to affect you know, the thing that

796
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: you love to do, and then you have this guy. Um,

797
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: but I mean it really just all ties back to

798
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: the fact that I just don't think carp will ever

799
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: achieve the status they have in Europe, Like it will

800
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: just never happen here. Like it's like you're screaming at

801
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: a wall if you're trying to do right by common carp.

802
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: And final thought, well, I can't. I can't fully blast Crawford.

803
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: I will say, like, man, there's a there's a ton

804
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: of miles between between King's Mountain, North Carolina and the

805
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: senetor River, Like you mean to tell me you can't

806
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: find carp in that span that like fewer if any,

807
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: people care about like if you would come and take

808
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: them all for your pay lake, that seems odd to

809
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: me to make that journey. But I thought that was

810
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: interesting because it's a it's a very like I get it,

811
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: it's a nasty fight, but I don't know who's winning that,

812
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: if anybody. I would highly doubt that it's this guy's

813
00:41:52,360 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: carpet toting operation. That's actually imp he's single bought on.

814
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: I think you're spot on with with it's you know,

815
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: more likely bow fishing or something else, but probably bow

816
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: fishing um and which again also perfectly legal. Uh And

817
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm not calling that out as as something negative, but

818
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: if the if the if the carp folks are looking

819
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: for a reason why their numbers are going down so precipitously,

820
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you can just single out this one

821
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: dude who's grabbing fish as your scapegoat. Yeah that said,

822
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: I think what he's doing is kind of shady. Yeah,

823
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean cool, But I mean I'm not either. But again,

824
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: you're looking at this small group of people who really

825
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: like it's so hard to be a devout carp guy

826
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: in this country because like everyone is against you, you know,

827
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, like, no matter how much you try,

828
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: and it's similar to snake AADs, no matter how much

829
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: you preach you know, the benefits and the fun, it's

830
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: the average dude is against you. So I mean, I

831
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: think it's it's it's shady too, and I think it's

832
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: kind of wrong. And again I think he could probably

833
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: find carp for the pay Lake a lot closer. But um,

834
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, to the average guy, it's still carp you know,

835
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: It's just it's just some carp man. I was trying

836
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: to figure out why this bothered me so much, and

837
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: I think I've just put my finger on it. They

838
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: may be whatever, just carp. I like carp You like carpet,

839
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: So we don't feel that way. And they may not

840
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: be a game fish as a designated by management agencies,

841
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: but there's still a public resource. Yeah. Those are fish

842
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 1: that come from a public lake that are feeding upon

843
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: all the things in that lake that are available to

844
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: the public, that are being taken out of that public

845
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: trust and privatized. And that pisses me off, Like the

846
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: just the philosophical implications of that pissed me off. That

847
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: to me is the antithesis of the model that we

848
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: have for wildlife management and fisheries, and so that just

849
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 1: doesn't work for me. That just that makes me angry. Well,

850
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope there's there's some kind of happy

851
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: medium or some kind of turn of events here, because

852
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not in the harp scene, but

853
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: if they're really thinking of having the World Championship on

854
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: American soil, I mean, you gotta have a pretty damn

855
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: good card fishery to attract people from across the globe

856
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: to hear um. So that's that's pretty impressive in and

857
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: of itself, you know it is. I think the connection

858
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: that I have between this and my second story is

859
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: is that it fits both of these touch on fishing

860
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: tournaments that people don't know that much about and maybe

861
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: attract a local interest that that the rest of the

862
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: country might never heard about, but are a big deal

863
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: in their their little areas. So I gotta say this

864
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: next story, I came away from it scratching my head

865
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're gonna come out of this with

866
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: with some some questions more than answers, all right, So

867
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: everyone we talked to in the fishing and tackle industry

868
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: right now, every everybody that we we have a conversation

869
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: with is all about how popular fishing is, how how

870
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: how much money they were making, how crowded the lakes

871
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: and rivers are, how difficult it is to keep tackle

872
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: in stock, how busy the guides are. Right, that is

873
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: the hottest conversation in the fishing industry right now. But

874
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: one particular shop just doesn't seem to think it's popular

875
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: enough like they feel they feel the need to create

876
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: this extra huge incentive to get people out fishing. Enter

877
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: the story of Old Walter two point oh. Last weekend

878
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: was free fishing weekend in Tennessee, meaning that anyone could

879
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: fish without needing to purchase a license. To capitalize on

880
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: what was already sure to be a busy couple of

881
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: days on the water on the famed South Holeston Reservoir,

882
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: Watson's Marine and Tackle in Bluff City, Tennessee, decided to

883
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: up the ante. On June tent at around one am,

884
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: watson employees caught, tagged, and released a three and a

885
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 1: half pound small mouth that they named Old Walter two

886
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: point oh. They then announced on their Facebook page that

887
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: anyone who caught the fish legally and delivered it to

888
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: the shop alive would win one hundred thousand dollars. Winners

889
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: were required to follow all fishing game laws and catch

890
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: the fish on a rod and reel, but live bait

891
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: and artificial lures were both legal. According to Watson Marine Quote,

892
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: this entire event was inspired by a similar contest in

893
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: the mid nineteen eighties that many still look fondly back

894
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: on in the great memories from the event, and hopefully

895
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: that same sentiment was relayed this past weekend. That's why

896
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: the fish are called Old Walter two point oh, and

897
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: that all sounds kind of heartwarming. But I read a

898
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: bunch of stories about this, and no one actually seems

899
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: to remember the details of that original contest from forty

900
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: years ago, or even the exact year that had happened.

901
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: So either people don't want to talk about the details

902
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: with the press because it was sketchy or not sanctioned

903
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: or something I don't know, or they really don't remember

904
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: what happened. So I don't quite get how this is

905
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: an extension of history being relieved, But either way, this

906
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: year's Old Walter event will be much better cataloged in history.

907
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: What was already a crazy weekend on a popular reservoir

908
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: turned into a complete mad house. Anglers flocked not just

909
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: from Oliver, Tennessee, but from neighboring states and even further afield.

910
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: Local local news station five reported talking to a group

911
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: who came from Michigan for a crack at the hunder

912
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: Grand Smally public access points were just like choked with

913
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: bank anglers and and the boat ramps were exactly what

914
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: you would imagine, just like hellish nightmare scenes. The good

915
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: news is that I couldn't find any reports of of

916
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: disasters or incidents or injuries or drownings or fist fights

917
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: or anything. But the bad news, despite the thousands of

918
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: hooks and lines combing South Holsted for two days straight,

919
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: no one caught Old Walter. He's still out there, chilling,

920
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: sitting there. In a final update to their Facebook page

921
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: on Monday morning, Watson's Burned announced that Old Walter still

922
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: carries a prize on his head, but now it's fifteen

923
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: hundred bucks instead of a hundred grand. Oh, so it

924
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: had to be caught over that weekend. Had to be

925
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: caught over the weekend. Man, Man, I don't want to

926
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to, like, I don't want to speculate,

927
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: But doesn't this all sound real shady, like there's like

928
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: some element of shade to this. Yeah, of course they

929
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: are insistent. If you look at everything they put up publicly,

930
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: like this is a real thing, And after it was

931
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: over they put up pictures of the fish they're calling

932
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: old Walter and then releasing it say it's real. Here

933
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: it is. But I think you're exactly right. All of

934
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: it smacks as a little shade to me from the

935
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: like some sort of origin to a contest from the

936
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: eighties that no one really knows anything about two like

937
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: there's a hunderground. We swear the fishes out there like

938
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, and I don't know. And again

939
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this marina. But I'm just

940
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: thinking of like the local marinas on some of the

941
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: bigger lakes around here. If they offered up a hundred

942
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, I'd be like, you haven't made a hundred

943
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in that little marina in that place, like

944
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: in the last Like it just seems like one of

945
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: those things where it's like we're gonna, we're gonna do

946
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: it to hype it up, but like they somehow know

947
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: they're not going to have to pay it out or something.

948
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: I mean, like the best of people. But yeah, it

949
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: feels sketchy to me too. I think it's also possible.

950
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: I'll say this, we don't know how busy they are.

951
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: That's a very popular part of the fishing country. Like

952
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: fishing is a big deal over there, particularly bass fishing,

953
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: and if they sell a lot of big bass boats

954
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: and last year was probably a better year for them,

955
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: very well could I'm thinking of it as like a

956
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: small mom and pop place, but that might not be

957
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: the case. Even still, it's like, why not just leave

958
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: it a hundred thousand dollars till it's called if you

959
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: have the hundred thousands? Because they got what they wanted.

960
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: They got a weekend of like crazing is and people's

961
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: beending money. They that that it's diminishing returns for them. Well,

962
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: you know what the problem here is. I've heard there's

963
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: a Senko shortage. So all those people probably none of

964
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: them had a foreign troop beer Senko and and there

965
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: you go, and that's what happens. Well, um, we'll monitor

966
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: to see if old Walter Walter isn't that there's no,

967
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: it's not Old Walter. It's old Walter Old Walter. There's

968
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: no D. There's no D. There's to be a silent um. Yeah, well,

969
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: well we'll see what happened. I would like to follow

970
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: up to see if somebody actually catches it, just to

971
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: prove that it's out there. I just want to know.

972
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: I just want to know. Um. But okay, so I'll

973
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: transition to to uh proving there here's some this is

974
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: some real proof about muskies. I'm trying to set up

975
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: this transition. This is proof proof about muskies. You didn't know.

976
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: Data that proofs they is about muskie ship that you

977
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: probably didn't know before. How's that was that smooth? I

978
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: thought it was great. I'm moving on straight out of Michigan.

979
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a muskie named James. This is from

980
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: m live dot com, your source for James. The musky

981
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: plush toys on season lunch boxes. Just kidding about those,

982
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: but not but not about the muskie which the Michigan

983
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: DNR named James because his tag number was double O

984
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: seven a good one. So old James was first tagged

985
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: in the Detroit River. Is it old old James? We

986
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: have Old Walter, and I'm saying Old James was first

987
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: tagged in the Detroit River in the late spring of right,

988
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: and by the end of that summer found his way

989
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: clear across Lake Erie to Buffalo, New York. By January,

990
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: James was back in the Michigan waters of Lake Erie,

991
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: and in May he was only a few hundred yards

992
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: from where he had been captured the year before. So

993
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: that is a round trip for James of six hundred

994
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: and twenty miles. And according to the story, UH James

995
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: is still tagged and they monitor this through through sonar um.

996
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: James has repeated this same pattern, the same movement in

997
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: following years and is still providing scientists with data on

998
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: these movements. How many times have they this story the

999
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: story did not say. It did not give an amount

1000
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: of specific times it was repeated. It just said this

1001
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: was the first pass, and he's made similar or passes

1002
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: just as close in subsequent years, all the way out

1003
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: and all the way back. Right. So from the story,

1004
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: tagging and tracking of Muskie's is ongoing, with researchers hoping

1005
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: to use fish movement patterns to identify unique groups of fish,

1006
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: which according to the d NR, can inform overall estimates

1007
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: of populations and provide pivotal information to fisheries managers. Each

1008
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: fish is surgically implanted with an acoustic transmitter that emits

1009
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: coded pings unique to each fish and has a battery

1010
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: life of at least seven years. Um And says these

1011
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: signals can be detected by a network of listening stations

1012
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: throughout the Great Lakes as part of the Great Lakes

1013
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: Acoustic Telemetry Observation System, which I happen to know, while

1014
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: the story didn't go into it, they have these things

1015
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: planted all over the lake. They monitor all kinds of stuff,

1016
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: like they know like where all the wall eyes are

1017
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: right now and where. But I didn't know that they

1018
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: were doing this with muskies, Like I know that they've

1019
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: done a lot with salmon, and I know they've done

1020
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: a ton with walleye, and there's there's really no like

1021
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: huge follow up behind that other than I. I just

1022
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: always find these little tidbits fascinating because I think with

1023
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: freshwater species in particular, UM, so many people just kind

1024
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: of consider them home bodies, and that's not at all true.

1025
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: Like in so many cases, if fish have room to roam,

1026
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: a lot of them will for a multitude of reason.

1027
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: And this takes me back to that story. You come right.

1028
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: This was a while ago, but it's about the the

1029
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: near record muski in the Minnesota lake that wasn't supposed

1030
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: to have muskies in it. There's this big mystery and

1031
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: all they could figure was there was this long network

1032
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: of these small like culverts and ditches that ran underneath roads, um,

1033
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: that distantly connected to musky waters and there it's like, hey,

1034
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of speculation, like, well, that's the

1035
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: only way he could have got there. A must taken

1036
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: them years to do it. Um. But sometimes the lens

1037
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: they'll go are hard to comprehend without data like this,

1038
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: and this is like right in front of your face,

1039
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: Like they tracked this muskie swy miles multiple times, um,

1040
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: and they they've done a bit of this kind of thing,

1041
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: even on like salty stripers out here. Always blows my

1042
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: mind too. Um. One of them spent I remember this

1043
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, spend a ton of time

1044
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: in the summer, seventy miles offshore in the canyons where

1045
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: the tuna and the marlin are right and it's like

1046
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: by the book that fish should never be there, but

1047
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: like there it was, science says so right in your face,

1048
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: so I'm always it is fascinated by studies like this

1049
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: that just show you, like how far and wide fish

1050
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: will roam, So dude, And maybe it's probably not in

1051
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: there because you would have covered it. But I'm just curious,

1052
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: are there any hypotheses as to why that fish was

1053
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: making that trip, because usually they're going to be following baits,

1054
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: following cooler water, or following something that is attractive to

1055
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: them exactly, And no it didn't. But I'm just gonna

1056
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and

1057
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: say that if you base it around Walleye movements, I

1058
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: know a little bit more about that, Like if you

1059
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: talk to guys like Ross Robertson, like real wringers in

1060
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: that system, like they they follow emerald shiners, they follow,

1061
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: like you said, cooler temps. And while there's always like

1062
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of Walleye everywhere, as I understand it,

1063
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: like the main bulk, the main population, they slide from

1064
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: one side of that lake and back again for following

1065
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: everything from temp to food. So I would assume the

1066
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: muskies moving for the same reason. And I actually, as

1067
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: I recall it, like the the eastern side of that basin,

1068
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: I think has the cooler water in the summer, like

1069
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: late summer, you want to be on the eastern side

1070
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: of that basin. So I'm sure even if it's I

1071
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: don't know whether the muskies are migrating per se, but

1072
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: like if you're a muskie and you're hungry, you can

1073
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: follow a bunch of small wall eyes around, right, you

1074
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's a connected yeah or yeah.

1075
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: So I'm sure it's all interconnected to just these general

1076
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: migrations throughout the system. And as a salty guy, that's

1077
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: so common, like how totally fish migrating move But I

1078
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: mean that may as well be the ocean. There's so

1079
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: much water and so much space, so it's not like, well,

1080
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: Cleveland's wal eyes are here and they're always here. Like

1081
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: those fish, it's almost like a saltwater environment the way

1082
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: they migrate through that system, which is why those those

1083
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: great lakes, like hardcore musky guys are so dialed on

1084
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: localized bites at certain times of you're right, like you

1085
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: hear about that all the time, and and where you

1086
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: know whether they're they're in the Fox River of Green

1087
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 1: Bay just for one period of time when when the

1088
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: conditions are right and it's just like saltwater. You gotta

1089
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: follow them where they go as they move. It's it's all,

1090
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: it's all, it's all the fish. I've done it with

1091
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: small mouths up there, and like it's super secret deal

1092
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to talk about. But be that as

1093
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: it may. It's like we fished this area where you

1094
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: would have a hell of a time ever catching a

1095
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: small mouth except for like these two weeks in November,

1096
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: and they're on these Volkswagen sized pieces of rubble in

1097
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: basically a shallow desert and they're not that Like, you

1098
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: won't catch a small mouth there any other time of year.

1099
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of that in the Great Lakes

1100
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: and it always fascinates me how salty it feels like

1101
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: right here, right now. So James the musky six miles,

1102
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: good on him. I'm sure he's strong. He might you know,

1103
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: you might want to let him fight musky guys instead

1104
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: of just ripping him to the net in two seconds.

1105
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: While he rolls around, let me have a little drag,

1106
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: let him run, don't bring him in. Green could go

1107
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: bed anyway. So it's got a lot to choose from.

1108
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: Who's gonna take the wind guy? Getting eaten by by whale.

1109
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: Old Walter carp few of the century, James the Muskie.

1110
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: We'll see what Phil has to say, and then we're

1111
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: gonna do a little freaking Philistines right after that. Okay,

1112
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: So you're you're telling me a hundred thousand dollars if

1113
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: I make him the winner. M you got a deal man, Okay, ye,

1114
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: because he did such a good job this week, and

1115
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: for no other reason, Miles Nulty, you're the winner of

1116
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: fish News this week. No hold on one second, hello,

1117
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: what okay? Deals off? I Actually I just recounted the points,

1118
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: and um, it turns out that that Miles was actually

1119
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: taking truckloads of fish News points from Joe's beautiful public

1120
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: lakes and trucking them all the way to his stuffy

1121
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: private lakes, and uh listen. Not technically illegal, but not

1122
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: in the spirit of fish News, and therefore I have

1123
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,959
Speaker 1: to make Joe certainly the winner of fish News this week.

1124
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: What's fast? It's a guy who doesn't care about books

1125
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: or interesting films and things. Robert Lurke is best known

1126
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: as a hunting writer. His account of a nineteen fifty

1127
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: one African Safari Horn of the Hunter is still regarded

1128
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: by many as the greatest African hunting book ever written. Others,

1129
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: myself included, contend that it's somewhat egregious derivation of Hemingway's

1130
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: Green Hills of Africa dulls the shine regardless of what

1131
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 1: I think. However, Rurk rose to prominence and fame when

1132
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: Horn of the Hunter was published in nineteen fifty three,

1133
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: and remained there until he died of cirrhosis of the liver.

1134
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: In n style and topic weren't the only attributes were

1135
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: shared with, or perhaps borrowed from his favorite writer and

1136
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: personal hero. In my estimation, Rurk's most compelling, original, and

1137
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: enduring work is collected from a series that ran in

1138
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: Field and Stream from nineteen fifty three to nineteen sixty one,

1139
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: titled The Old Man and the Boy. The stories are

1140
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: written from the perspective of a grown man recounting the fishing, hunting,

1141
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: and practical education he received from his grandfather while growing

1142
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: up on the rural coast of North Carolina in the

1143
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. The series is technically fiction, but clearly based

1144
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: on Rurk's own upbringing. He recounts his childhood through a

1145
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: romantic prism that throws rainbows across nearly every character an event,

1146
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: Even when the story's hint at darkness or ugliness, those

1147
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: smudges get covered by colorful sentiment. Grown men getting blind, drunk,

1148
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: and falling into a name fisticuffs after a failed raccoon

1149
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: hunt over nothing beyond ego and idiocy are recalled in

1150
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: a char ring in tender anecdote. When one of them

1151
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: misses a punch badly, falls off the porch and remains supine.

1152
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: His fellow combatant and brother decides to join him. They

1153
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: sleep off their alcohol and fury, curled together in the

1154
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: dirt and looking so peaceful, are joined by one of

1155
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: the hounds, who stretches out across their feet. But in

1156
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: this book, rurks rosy reflections feel more perspectivele than deceitful.

1157
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: Adults often see their own backstories through the fun house

1158
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: mirror of nostalgia. When we remember our pasts, and especially

1159
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: our childhoods, we almost always find the time works on

1160
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: memory in much the same way that water does on stones.

1161
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: Rurk portrays early twentieth century North Carolina as a fantasy

1162
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: world for a boy who liked fishing, hunting, and being outside.

1163
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: In each vignette, he recalls some kind of wonderful adventure

1164
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: chasing quail or blue fish, where the boy is ushered

1165
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: towards some deep wisdom through the folksy backwoods brilliance of

1166
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: a grandfather, the old Man. The lessons are always practical.

1167
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: Steward your fishing game, bring spare tackle. Don't start drinking

1168
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: until after you're done hunting. Sometimes they're moral. Train a dog,

1169
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: don't break him. Idleness is only a sin if you

1170
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: squander it. One can be kind without being weak. Often

1171
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: they're philosophical. The person who speaks the most and loudest

1172
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: usually knows the least, or, to quote the old Man himself,

1173
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: the world is full of fine, fragmentary thoughts, killed at

1174
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: birth by the interruptions of damned fools. Mostly, the old

1175
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: Man teaches the boy to slow down, shut up, and

1176
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: pay attention to the world around him, especially the non

1177
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: human life. And while the stories consistently flirt with that

1178
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: shadow line where poignant becomes traite, they never seem to

1179
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: cross it. The old Man is wise and brilliant, but

1180
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: also self deprecating and just flawed enough to feel like

1181
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: the grandfather you wish you had Being that this book

1182
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: is set in the South in the nineteen twenties, it

1183
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: reflects flawed and ignorant cultural attitudes about race and gender.

1184
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: To consume this book entirely without critical thought would run

1185
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: counter to one of the central philosophies that the Old

1186
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: Man espouses. People are often dead wrong in their opinions

1187
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: about and ways of treating other people whom they do

1188
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: not know. We can always do better by ourselves, our world,

1189
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: and our species by actually listening to and internalizing experiences

1190
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: that are not our own, those shot through with relic

1191
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: arts of racism and chauvinism. I feel relatively confident that

1192
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: if Rurk's characters were alive today, some of their assumptions

1193
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: would change, And I think anyone reading this book in

1194
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: the twenty one century would be wise to maintain the

1195
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: skepticism of dogma and questioning of other's opinions that the

1196
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: Old Man so often recommends to the Boy. Here's a

1197
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: taste of the style and pacing that should convince you

1198
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: why this book is a perfect summertime read. We came

1199
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: around a bend of the Big Creek, and the old

1200
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: Man told me to head her into the bank where

1201
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: there are a lot of lily pads and weeds, and

1202
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: it looked like some fairly deep pools now. Then, son,

1203
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: the old man said, we ain't gonna talk any because

1204
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: fishing is a silent sport, and a lot of conversation

1205
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: scares the fish and wreck the mood. What I want

1206
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: you to do is sit there and fish, And when

1207
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: the fish ain't biting, I want you to listen and

1208
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: look and think, think about heaven and hell and just

1209
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: how long is hereafter? Look around you and don't take

1210
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: nothing for granted. Look at everything you see, and listen

1211
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: to everything you hear, just like you were brand new,

1212
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: come for another world, and think about all those things

1213
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: and how they got there. Now, let's fish well, sir.

1214
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: When you can't talk, you got to think and look

1215
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: and listen, And all of a sudden I was a

1216
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: lonesomest boy in the world. You know anything about what

1217
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: it's like to be in a fresh water swamp in

1218
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: the south when the sun starting to drop and the

1219
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: noises begin, or what it smells like and feels like

1220
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: as it cools off from the heat of the day,

1221
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: and what sort of things are all around you. I

1222
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: got to look in at the water. It was clear

1223
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 1: and clean, but brown is your hat from the leaf dye.

1224
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: And when you scooped it up a handful tasted a

1225
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: little like the leaves smelled if you crumpled them up

1226
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: in your hand. And it was full of all sorts

1227
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: of little things. Bugs that hopped and popped, little crawlers

1228
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: that left a tiny wake behind them like a mink.

1229
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: Swimming fish swirled and rose to snap at the beginnings

1230
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: of the fly hatch. A big bullfrog gave a loud,

1231
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: croaking kurt thump and leapt into the water with a

1232
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: splash over on the other bank of watermarks, and slithered

1233
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: down the greasy earth and slipped into the water without

1234
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: a sound. It was so lonely in that swampy river

1235
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: that it made you want to cry. All the sad

1236
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: sounds in the world suddenly started. A dove set up

1237
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: that woeful whoo hoo hoo across the swamp, and another

1238
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: one sadder still began to answer them back. They sounded

1239
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: like two old widow women swapping miseries in the utter. Hush,

1240
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: A million noises intruded. A bittern roared, a heron squawked,

1241
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: a kingfisher rattled a deer snorted and barked. A bird screeched,

1242
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: a crow cod Somewhere deep in the swamp, there was

1243
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: a growl and a scream as a wildcat skittled a rabbit.

1244
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: A squirreled, chirred, and was answered. Leaves rustled, things fell off, Trees,

1245
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: bushes stirred mysteriously with the passing of unseen animals. In

1246
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: my brain, I looked at all of it, the trees,

1247
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: the grass, the moss, the bugs, the birds, the ferns,

1248
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: the flowers, the setting sun, the rising hatch of flies.

1249
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: I felt the dark creeping, and saw the first shining

1250
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: speck of star, and heard the mounting noises in the swamp.

1251
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: I felt cold in my bones from the rising yasthma

1252
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: of mist as the air cooled. I was so lost

1253
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: in what was going on in the million slivers of

1254
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: vibrant life that when a big fish hit I lost

1255
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: him out of sheer panic. I'll tell you why, man,

1256
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: After all these years, what's still difficult for me to

1257
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: to fully appreciate and understand is that my byline appeared

1258
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: for for so many years in the same magazine where

1259
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: those stories came from. You know what I mean? A

1260
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of history. There man a lot of it. And

1261
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: like when we met, right when you when we met,

1262
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: you were the fishing editor at Field and Stream, I

1263
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: was the fishing editor at Gray Sporting Journal. And I

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01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: think sometimes, at least the first we both felt like

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01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: we were we were wearing clown shoes, right, because I'm not,

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01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: but I'm not mistaken. I think we were both the

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01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: youngest people to ever hold that title of those magazines

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01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: pretty sure. Yeah. And and by the time you were there, right,

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01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 1: Rurke was long dead, he was long gone, but you

1270
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: still got to share mast heads with some of our idols,

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01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: right like Tom, Tom mcgwain, AJ McClain, David James, Duncan

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01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: Pete from Jim bab Like oh yeah, oh dude, yeah,

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01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean I still think about it now, like my

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01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,439
Speaker 1: stuff for for years went alongside Eddie Nikins and Phil

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01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: Bore Jaley, and I'm still damn proud to have been

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01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: part of that magazine and just like the literary and

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01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: sporting tradition behind it, you know. Yeah, I mean, dude,

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01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,480
Speaker 1: while you were there, Harrison was still publishing Field and Stream.

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, these were these were for for both of us.

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01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: I think those were kind of magical times. And I'll

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: never forget the day that I was told I got

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01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: that job. I blew my mind. It was one of

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01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: the top five happiest days of my life without question.

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. And look at us now, Look

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01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: look where we've gotten. We get to make a podcast

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: with with such luminaries as lands By and Scatchee Johnson, um,

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01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: you know. Plus we get to we get to come

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01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: the internet for fishing products where they ridicule and derision

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01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: for our sale been segment. God, you know it just

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01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: all paid off? Face? Why did you put the hand

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: to pay You don't know what I'm getting? Man, What

1292
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: you didn't have to be so hurtful with me so angry.

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01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: The original idea for this segment was for us to

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01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: make jokes about used fishing gear that was for sale online.

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: But as we've kind of gone with this, we keep

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01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: finding or getting sent links to these just absolutely ludicrous

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01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: manufacturer products. So Joe and I have talked about this,

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01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: like off off the radio here, We've we've had conversations,

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01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: and we've decided to officially open up the category a

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01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: little bit right, give ourselves licensed to make fun of

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01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: absolutely any worthy fishing related products, even if they're not

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01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 1: being pawned off second hand. Yeah, because it's I don't know,

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01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: it seems like there's too many not to like we

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: have to We've already done a couple of times, but

1305
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: now we're officially saying that we're doing it so right.

1306
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: And and to be clear, we are in no way

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01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: shape or for him giving up on combing Craigslist and

1308
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: Facebook our you know, we're just we're expanding. Okay, we're expanding.

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01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: We're giving ourselves license to make fun of new shit

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01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: and use hit. As I I said, I don't know,

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: not too long ago, I prefer to ridicule a single

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01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: person over a company. Right to me, it's it's like

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01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: it's no different than my preference for buying stuff from

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01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 1: a small business instead of a large corporation. I actually

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01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: I actually want to see the impact I'm having, both

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01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: positive and negative. Um, but look, sometimes you gotta expand

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01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: your horizons. So that's that's what we're doing. That's what

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01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: we're doing. And uh and and you're helping us with

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01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: this because because listener Brandon Razinski recently sent us a

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01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: link to a product being sold by a phishing gear

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01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: company that I somehow I'd never heard of this before.

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01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how I missed it. Judging judging by

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: their website, yeah amazing. Judging by their website, the tackle

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01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 1: box Shop seems like it might be a money laundering

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01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: front for the Russian mob specializes in Chinese knockoff fishing gear,

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: which may or may not have disappeared from a shipping crate.

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01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: According to their website quote at the tackle box Shop,

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01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: we stocked nearly all accessories including phishing lures, hooks, jigheads,

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: weight sinkers, line stoppers, barrel swivels, free tackle boxes, and

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01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: over all any and all phishing equipment you need for

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01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: salt water and fresh water. I don't get the free

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: tackle boxes, the stock of free tackle box free, I

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01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I don't know so much.

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01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: So with a tagline like that and prices like these,

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01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: you can understand why they just can't afford to hire

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01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: copy editors fluent in English language. You can get yourself

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01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: right now. If you go there, you can purchase for

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,480
Speaker 1: yourself an entire ten piece set of maps Agia knockoffs

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01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: for American. Of course they're not. These are not advertised

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01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: like you can't look up MEPs knockoffs. It won't come

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01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: up there, obviously it But it's like, it is so

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01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: obvious that these are just they're painted just to be

1343
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: exactly like aglas, but they're not. However, the tackle box

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: shop labels them as quote feather hook sequence fishing lures,

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01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: whatever the hell that is. I don't know what that is.

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01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: I see that sea fishing all the time pop up

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01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: on cheap stuff. It's always like Lord's for sea fishing,

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01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: like some maps. But how is it you see? It's uh,

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01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: it's irrelevant. But as look as bad as their rip

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01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: off gear is, that's that's not the thing that caught

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01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: our attention, because there's plenty of rip off gear out there, Okay, Like,

1352
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: like you got to be more creative than knocking off

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01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: of maps to get on the BENT program, right, because

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01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: it seems they also specialize in gimmicks that probably never

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01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 1: should have seen the light of day. And the one

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01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: we want to tell you about is called and I

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01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: ship you not right, It's called the eruptive fish hook net.

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 1: Now you may be wondering, what the hell is an

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 1: eruptive fish hook net? How does it erupt? Do I

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01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: use it to net fish hooks? That have somehow erupted

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01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: into the water. You might be thinking, I need to

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01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: see a photo of this understand what we're talking about.

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: So did we It didn't help us that much. Nope, Okay,

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01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 1: the problem is at the corresponding photo of the product.

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01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: It won't it won't clear up that many questions. I'm

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01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna try here. Okay. It's a barrel

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01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: swivel attached to a thin metal rod that has a

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: copper spring like one of those sort of like pot

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01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: belly stove shape weird springs loosely wound around it, and

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01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: on the other end of the copper spring are neon

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: green beads and attached to the back end of this

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: contraption appears to be just a lot of tied up

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01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: nylon mesh netting. So it's just none of it makes

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01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: any sense, right You You look at the name, you

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01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: don't know what the name is about. You look at

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: the photo and you're like, what is this thing that

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01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking at? So naturally you move onto the product description,

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: figuring that's going to clear some things up. And and

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01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: in this case, it's given in in three easy to

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01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: follow steps, which we will now read for you, so

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01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: you can be as confused as we are. Step one,

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,759
Speaker 1: insert your favorite and tastiest bait into our copper protected

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01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: spring bolb And this this step comes with photos. The

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01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: photos show absolutely nothing to do with bait. No, they're

1385
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 1: just more pictures of this strange product. But this time

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: the mesh net is untangled and just it's hanging, and

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01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 1: there's some trees in the background for ambiance. I guess

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01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, okay, So here's step two. Okay,

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: we'll get there together, somewhere, we're gonna have somewhere. Step two,

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01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: wait patiently for a shoal of fish to appear. That's

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01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: the step. And that's the step, wait patiently for a

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01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: shoal of fish, not a school um. And in this photo,

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01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: the eruptive fish hook net hangs in front of a

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01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 1: solid black background, and there's ten little tiny Atlantic salmon

1395
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: photos shopped around it, right, and they're just like staring

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01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: blankly at the dropping net as though they too are

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: wondering what the hell this thing is and why it's here,

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01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: how it's gotten into their environment. Maybe very confused. Maybe

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01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: step three will bring it all together for us. Possibly

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01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: possibly not. Step three pull up on your road to

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01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: release the safety bead and release the large net to

1402
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: tangle fish. And the photo here just shows a close

1403
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 1: up of a person sitting a lawn chair holding a

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: spinning rod, which does nothing to alleviate my skepticism about

1405
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: this whole thing or my confusion as to what exactly

1406
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: a safety bead is and what it has to do

1407
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: with fishing. Okay, so I feel like I have somewhat

1408
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: deciphered this though. Okay, so from what we can piece together,

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: this is kind of like a cast net designed to

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01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: be used with a rotten reel, but that wouldn't actually

1411
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: work because if you understand cast nets, they have lead

1412
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: weights all around the perimeter, so that when you throw

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01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 1: one over a shoal of fish um, the weights sink

1414
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: very quickly to the bottom and the fish get trapped underneath.

1415
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: And at Okay, then when you you pull back on

1416
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: the line, it's cinches the perimeter of that net close

1417
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: the fish can't escape. Now, this item, I don't know.

1418
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it would have any such functionality,

1419
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,879
Speaker 1: and I don't really tell, but I think the idea,

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01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: right this is, this is what I gather is that

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01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: you would dangle this like you straight off a dock

1422
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: or a boat, because I don't think you could cast it.

1423
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,480
Speaker 1: It wouldn't go anywhere. It weighs. It weighs zero. It's

1424
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: got the copper spring. What's got the copper spring? And

1425
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: once you fill that up with oatmeal or whatever, then

1426
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: you can send it flying. Right then you could heave

1427
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: it a mile. But I think what you would do

1428
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: is you would you would dangle this vertically off off

1429
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 1: a dock or a boat, and then when a shoal

1430
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 1: of fish swims over to nibble the bits of chum

1431
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: coming out of the copper plate chum capacitor, like you

1432
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: snap the rod, the net opens and falls down around them,

1433
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: but without any weights around the perimeter of the net.

1434
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: I don't see how that's post bowl or like what

1435
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: would you do? You have to like lower the rod

1436
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: around them, Like if you have only so much line up,

1437
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: do you open the bail and let it fall? But

1438
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: that wouldn't work either, because then that wouldn't work because

1439
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: the copper weight would go down to them. It would open.

1440
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: It would make the net open, not closed, I know,

1441
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: but just again, like that's like the best thing I

1442
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: can I can figure right, but really, at best, I

1443
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 1: guess you might have one or two. You know, members

1444
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: of the bluegill should just tangled up in the massive

1445
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: ball of nylon mess. Shit, that's the best. They had

1446
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: a couple of spines in there. You catch them, you

1447
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: use it once because you'll never untangle it again, and

1448
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: you throw it in the trash. That's what you do anyway.

1449
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 1: According to the website, this heralds and this is a

1450
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: quote upgraded version of fishing. Change traditional fishing methods, remove hooks,

1451
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: and improve safety. Just hanging on the fishing rod, you

1452
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 1: can realize safe fishing. This is that's a real sentence.

1453
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: They you can catch big fish without a hook. I'm sold.

1454
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean I was confused and lost up until then.

1455
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: But that last that that last strong statement of positivity,

1456
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: just because we all want to realize safe fishing. You

1457
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: all want to realize it's basically when this whole podcast

1458
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: is just realizing safe fishing. But just hanging on the

1459
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: fishing rod. It's just that's all you gotta do, Just

1460
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: hang on it. You you didn't mention the best part

1461
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: because somehow the price just dropped from hurry up, hurry

1462
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: up and get them. Um. I assume they're actually already

1463
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: flooded with orders. But after this airs, they'll they'll sell

1464
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: out in minutes. It's the next tick on me elmo

1465
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: um so act now everyone, Thanks again to Brandon Rozanski

1466
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 1: for sending us the link. And if you come across

1467
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: ridiculous fishing related ship on sale, please send links to

1468
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: Bent at the Meat Eater dot com so we can

1469
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: keep the sail bin full. Well, we're just about to

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Speaker 1: run out of oxygen on this free dive to the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the mall pond. But for those of you

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Speaker 1: who weren't keeping track of what we picked up along

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Speaker 1: the way, we now know that anglers are just litterbugs

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Speaker 1: with fancy boats and Yogi's commune with sasquatch or sam squatches.

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Speaker 1: I like to say times were simpler fish here and

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Speaker 1: at least slightly more racist in the thirties. And uh

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Speaker 1: that new technology maybe making castnets easier to throw, but

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Speaker 1: it's not improving on the original design. Please please keep

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Speaker 1: those awkward photos, bar nominations, sale ban items, fish news stories,

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Speaker 1: and other highly appreciated emails coming to Bent at the

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Speaker 1: media dot com. And and do remember, like we said

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Speaker 1: last episode, if you have any questions you want us

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Speaker 1: to address on or off the show, please send them along.

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Speaker 1: We don't promise we'll get to all of them, but

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Speaker 1: we will do our best. Yeah, hit us up on

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Speaker 1: the social media is with the hashtags Degenerate Angler and

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Speaker 1: Bent Podcast. We also just ordered a whole new batch

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Speaker 1: of Degenerate Angler stickers that are just waiting to get

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Speaker 1: slapped on your truck or boat. And don't forget about

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Speaker 1: those badass new fish threads in the Meat Eater store

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Speaker 1: that that original Sublime forty ounces to Freedom hoodie you

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Speaker 1: bought right after Bradley died in It's uh, It's time

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Speaker 1: to retire that one.