WEBVTT - Donovan Mitchell Moved to the Cavs

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode of The Heat Check.

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<v Speaker 2>We're a little late to talk about this Donovan Mitchell trade,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did have some other pressing business which we

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<v Speaker 2>will get to where I actually broke the donovand Mitchell

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<v Speaker 2>trade to the City of New York live on their

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<v Speaker 2>air before anyone else. So if there was an awesome

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<v Speaker 2>time to be on w f A N that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>Two straight hours of angry New York fans. We look

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<v Speaker 2>at the aftermath of the trade. We also get into

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<v Speaker 2>this new Patrick Beverly.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll call it a development.

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<v Speaker 2>He's stern shit up in la already, folks. He is

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<v Speaker 2>now working to change the cold. And we also discussed

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<v Speaker 2>the latest news from the EuroBasket twenty twenty two. An

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<v Speaker 2>amazing tournament. This is not getting enough love and enough shine,

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<v Speaker 2>so do me a favor. Training camp coming so fast,

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<v Speaker 2>let's drop that beat. It's a bit late, but unless

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<v Speaker 2>you've been living under a rock, you are aware now

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<v Speaker 2>that Donovan Mitchell has been traded. But he's been traded

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<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere to the Cleveland Cavaliers after months of

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<v Speaker 2>speculation saying it was a done deal that he'd end

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<v Speaker 2>up a nick no sir. At the very last minute

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<v Speaker 2>left at the altar once again, and the Knicks, according

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<v Speaker 2>to a ton of sources.

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<v Speaker 3>Still in shock. They are shook it. So you already

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<v Speaker 3>know the details.

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<v Speaker 2>The Knicks creating a fake deadline, which we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>last week, signed R. J. Barrett to a one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty million dollars four year extension, and the next

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<v Speaker 2>day two three days later, I guess Colin Sexton, Lori

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<v Speaker 2>Markenen three unprotected firsts pick swaps to Utah for Donovan

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<v Speaker 2>Mitchell and now they have one of the best starting

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<v Speaker 2>fives in the league, just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Knicks, let me tell you this, they are

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<v Speaker 2>facing a very divided fan base, a very divided for

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<v Speaker 2>an office, and accusations that they're just continuing to be

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<v Speaker 2>the Knicks, just NIXT doing nixt thing. Jeff Van Gundy

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<v Speaker 2>basically summed it up when he told The New York Post,

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<v Speaker 2>the Knicks have good players, but if you line it

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<v Speaker 2>up against the competition in the East, this roster is

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<v Speaker 2>not on the same level. They could shock the world

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<v Speaker 2>and be a playoff team, But I look at the

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<v Speaker 2>East and I have to say eight to thirteen is

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<v Speaker 2>where they should be predicted to go. Eight to thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not even close to a lock for the play

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot has to go, right. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably right. I think that's probably true. But I also

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<v Speaker 2>have a unique perspective. I think on this trade, I

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<v Speaker 2>just so happen to be filling in on wfa in

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<v Speaker 2>for Carton and Roberts during drive time, the number one

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<v Speaker 2>show for sports talk radio in New York City, heart

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<v Speaker 2>and lifeblood of New York Sports, the largest sports radio

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<v Speaker 2>station in the world. Right as the Donovan Mitchell trade broke,

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<v Speaker 2>and were not even at a break, not even at

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<v Speaker 2>a commercial, no time for the news update. Guy no no,

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<v Speaker 2>our producer slacks us Donovan Mitchell just traded to the

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<v Speaker 2>Calves go and it was like, Hey, sorry, uh Giuseppi

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<v Speaker 2>from the Bronx, we gotta let you go. I know

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<v Speaker 2>what you think is really important about the Mets, but

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<v Speaker 2>we've got some breaking.

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<v Speaker 3>News shit going on right now. Donovan Mitchell's not coming

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<v Speaker 3>to the Knicks.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, while we were on the biggest Knicks news of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, and me and my co host had to

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<v Speaker 2>break it to a very excited and then let down

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<v Speaker 2>fan base.

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<v Speaker 3>Two hours of calls, ring ring, ring, ring, lots.

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<v Speaker 2>Of people wanted to give their perspective, and the entire

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<v Speaker 2>calls were essentially this spectrum of what the trade meant. Surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 2>though I thought a lot more people would be mad.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean people were mad, but I thought more people

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<v Speaker 2>would be mad. It was pretty much fifty to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>down in the middle half. The callers were irate, saying,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the Knicks continuing to do what the Knicks do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're never gonna get a star. This is why we

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<v Speaker 2>can't watch this team. What's wrong with us? Basically the

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<v Speaker 2>argument that the Knicks are doomed, right, They're always gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be terrible. They go into the spiral, they talk about Dolan, who,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, for the record, I love very musical,

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<v Speaker 2>very dynamic team owner. And the other half they're fans

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<v Speaker 2>of RJ. Barrett, They're fans of Quentin Grimes and the

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<v Speaker 2>other young players. Plus they just thought three first round

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<v Speaker 2>picks was too much to give up for Donovan Mitchell,

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<v Speaker 2>an undersized point guard or shooting guard to go along

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<v Speaker 2>with their undersized point guard.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think there's also what has gotten missed a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>is that there's a group of Knicks fans that are

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm tired of us just going out and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get stars.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't think it works for us.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done it, it's never ended up having some positive effect,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe hype, but we've never won a title from it.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to build through the draft, we want to

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<v Speaker 2>build up young players. We want to get good organically

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<v Speaker 2>and then maybe, just maybe will support this squad. And

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<v Speaker 2>now they have that for the first time in ages,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got the ability to grow a young core. Only

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<v Speaker 2>because the Mitchell trade blew up, and mostly now people

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<v Speaker 2>are dissecting the trade, trying to figure out why the

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<v Speaker 2>deal fell through, why Donovan ended up in Cleveland. So

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<v Speaker 2>much conspiracy theories amok. Some people say that Danny Ainge

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<v Speaker 2>was just so petty. He told Donovan Mitchell, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sending you where you want to go. You've been on

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<v Speaker 2>this little New York City like policy tour. You've been

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<v Speaker 2>kissing babies from the Bronx to Brooklyn to Long Islands.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been at every Knicks. You've been at Mets games

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<v Speaker 2>and Yankee games and Islanders games and Rangers games. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what, Donovan, fuck you enjoy Cleveland? Go to a

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<v Speaker 2>Guardian's game? How about that. I don't know if that's true,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's an amazingly a testament to how amazingly petty

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<v Speaker 2>the uh danny aingels. The origins may go back, though,

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the bad blood, to the first round

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<v Speaker 2>of the playoffs. Why you say, well, Knicks executives decided

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<v Speaker 2>they were gonna put their their shoes on the on

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<v Speaker 2>the hardwood at a playoff game that they had no

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<v Speaker 2>staking their team had been eliminated. But yet we see

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<v Speaker 2>Knicks executives court side for a playoff game.

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<v Speaker 3>Quart side.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't even sit just in the in the nosebleeds in

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<v Speaker 2>a box in the suite. No, no, in the area

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<v Speaker 2>that the scouts sit. No, no court side.

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<v Speaker 3>So you see us and we see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because they were simultaneously courting Jalen Brunson chitching and

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan Mitchell chit ching at once. Dallas Mavericks played the

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<v Speaker 2>Utah Jazz in the first round, and old boy were

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<v Speaker 2>the Utah Jazz. Mad Zach Low said this on his podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen some reports that say, well, the Jazz were upset,

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan Mitchell maybe wasn't all in forever with the Utah

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<v Speaker 2>and as punishment, will send him to a place he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Were the Jazz mad? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it that the reason that they traded him to Cleveland?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not the only reason, but it's a phenomenal, nice

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<v Speaker 2>little cherry on top and as an interesting aside to

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<v Speaker 2>how the deal went down. Gerson Roses you may know

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<v Speaker 2>the name, you may not, ancillary player in the NBA space,

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<v Speaker 2>but recently fired from the Timberwolves as a GM for

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<v Speaker 2>an extramarritoral affair with someone inside the organization, also accusations

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<v Speaker 2>of contributing to a toxic work environment. He was the

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<v Speaker 2>one responsible for the day to day talks of the

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<v Speaker 2>Nicks and the Jazz. Why you ask, well, Leon Rose

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<v Speaker 2>likes him. He's hired Gerson Roses as a consultant. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>Knicks fan's not too happy about that, I would imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>but he does have a good relationship with the jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is there's just too many people who

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<v Speaker 2>have too many cooks in the kitchen. You've got Leon Rose,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got world Wide West.

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<v Speaker 3>Where is he? We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, an amazing side road I heard the

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<v Speaker 2>world Wide West. If you meet him and he's like, hey.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Fat Joe and you're like, yeah, I know Fat Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Fat Joe met at a party and he'd go okay

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<v Speaker 2>really and you're like, yes, really, And then he'll go

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<v Speaker 2>ring ring, ring, ring, and FaceTime Fat Joe. Fat Joe

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<v Speaker 2>will answer upon the first ring because he's fucking Worldwide West.

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<v Speaker 2>How he's so powerful? I need to take a deeper dive,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'll say what's up Fat Joe, and Fat Joe

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<v Speaker 2>will probably say what's up my guy? And he'll say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know this guy right here? And presumably hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>for you, Then Fat Joe will say yes, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he'll say what's this guy? Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they legit? Is he legit?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he?

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<v Speaker 1>Is she?

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<v Speaker 2>Not legit? Oh? Okay, thanks guy, and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Just hang up.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that not the craziest receipt pulling that you've ever seen?

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<v Speaker 2>And he does that like with everyone I've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of something.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to the story.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got Leon Rose, you've got Worldwide West the

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<v Speaker 2>receipt puller. You've got Tom Thibodeau in the mix. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got Scott Perry, who I don't know if anyone still

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<v Speaker 2>realizes he's there in a GM capacity, but he is.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw him at summer league. What does he do?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Does anyone know, cap expert? Not sure, but he is

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<v Speaker 2>still there. And now you've got on top of all

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys and the owner who knows so much

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<v Speaker 2>about basketball that he likes to get involved sometimes as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you've got a consultant, Gerson Roses, not a GM,

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<v Speaker 2>not an assistant GM, not a scout, nothing, a consultant

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<v Speaker 2>handling the nitty gritty of maybe one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>important trades in the last I don't know, twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>years of Nick's basketball history. What's that saying about too

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<v Speaker 2>many chefs in the kitchen? M I've been watching the

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<v Speaker 2>bear by the way. Phenomenal, phenomenal chef's kiss, they say.

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<v Speaker 2>Not surprisingly, there was some disagreement with the Nick C

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<v Speaker 2>squeet over Donovan Mitchell. Some people all in AKA Worldwide

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<v Speaker 2>West and Fat Joe by the way, there's Fat Joe

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<v Speaker 2>contingent as well. Others clearly valued the other assets. Somehow

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<v Speaker 2>someway Quentin Grimes being untouchable. Not Grimes, the singer, Quinton

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<v Speaker 2>Grimes untouchable, second ear Quinton Grimes. He's six y six,

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<v Speaker 2>he can play some defense, but untouchable in the dawno

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<v Speaker 2>of Mitchell trade, Sir some valued RJ. Barrett very highly.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't see value in giving up Barrett and the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the young guns and three protected unprotected.

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<v Speaker 3>First said of them bridge too.

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<v Speaker 2>Far, throwing trader Danny the guy that we know likes

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<v Speaker 2>to fuck every other trade partner and that's just his

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<v Speaker 2>m O. That's not my opinion, that is fact. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what you get is a complete puff piece where in

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Globe about this deal. Some when I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I pulled my Brian Windhort's glasses on when I saw that,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, why would the Boston Globe do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Why would they do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Danny Ainge and his roots to Boston doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of roots with Utah. Also, whatever sort of

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<v Speaker 2>bargain basement newspaper that they have there in Salt Lake,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not moving anyone but the Boston Globe writing a

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<v Speaker 2>full on, in depth article about what went down and

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<v Speaker 2>how the Knicks missed out on Donovan Mitchell and how

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<v Speaker 2>it's not Danny Ainge's fault. Come on with one of

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest shill journalists in life, Gary Washburn. No way,

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<v Speaker 2>Danny Ainge was responsible for the Knicks talks breaking down.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, hmm, interesting Danny Inge leveraging old relationships

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<v Speaker 2>to spin a narrative to make himself look better in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of Cleveland, Cause that matters as well. Talk about

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<v Speaker 2>nuts on the table, talk about big swinging Dick Kobe Altman.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck, I didn't know he headed in him. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know he had laid around in the weeds waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for the Knicks to do nixt things get too arrogant.

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<v Speaker 2>Danny Ainge continue to push back randoms involved in the

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<v Speaker 2>trade discussions.

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<v Speaker 3>They say, you know what, we're out as soon as RJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Barrett gets his extension, we're back in. Actually, we'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to offer you Lori Markenen, Colin Sexton and a boatload

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<v Speaker 2>of picks. How's that work done done? What a dynamic

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<v Speaker 2>team they were last year? They had Ricky Ricky Rubio again.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got a healthy Colin Sexton. Ideally they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to pay Colin Sexton very much. They've got a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of guys who've made the All Star Game recently, as

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<v Speaker 2>recently as last year. And they said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>East is too stacked. We gotta make a move. We

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<v Speaker 2>got to make a move. I think this makes them

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<v Speaker 2>a player. I think this makes them in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>considering that they were somewhere between three and five last

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<v Speaker 2>year all year until Rubio went down with an acl

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<v Speaker 2>and then Jared Allen went down with a finger injury.

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<v Speaker 2>Before that, they were rolling number one defensive team in

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<v Speaker 2>the league. And now you add a guy who can

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<v Speaker 2>get you a bucket when things get ugly, You've got him,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got Garland. I think this makes him better than Philly,

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<v Speaker 2>not saying a lot because Philly added PJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Tucker.

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<v Speaker 2>They added some dogs on this team. And I do

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<v Speaker 2>like Embiid more than pretty much every other center in

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<v Speaker 2>the league. But goddamn, this Cleveland team with multiple All

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<v Speaker 2>Stars and youth, they really could finish four in the

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<v Speaker 2>East for in the East. And I think this also

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<v Speaker 2>puts us in a different discussion with Kobe Altman, Like

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<v Speaker 2>this seriously puts you in a new conversation when you

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<v Speaker 2>come out of the woodwork and you are Cleveland, Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>and you find a way to get a star from

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<v Speaker 2>New York who wants to go to New York, who's

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<v Speaker 2>been on a summer tour inside of New York with

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<v Speaker 2>the shirt off, with a Mets hat on everything, and

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<v Speaker 2>you find a way to steal him away from a

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<v Speaker 2>team who is desperate to get him. That gives a

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<v Speaker 2>whole new level of respect to you. And people are

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<v Speaker 2>already saying, which I think as actually might be true,

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<v Speaker 2>is that Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland are a top

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<v Speaker 2>five backcourt in the NBA. Now my top five Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Paul and Booker until Chris Paul is dead probably soon,

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<v Speaker 2>Klay Thompson and Steph until Clay Thompson is dead, which

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<v Speaker 2>is probably soon, John Morant and Desmond Bain.

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<v Speaker 3>Very underrated backcourt.

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<v Speaker 2>Desmond Bain, I don't need to tell you, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you forgot, he's one of the best three point shooters

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<v Speaker 2>in the league. Even with his little alligator arms, he

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<v Speaker 2>can still play defense.

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<v Speaker 3>He's number three. They're number three.

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garland I think are number four and

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<v Speaker 2>young and de Jon Tamurray.

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<v Speaker 3>Two all stars along with an All.

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<v Speaker 2>Star center, probably the best rookie in the draft last

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<v Speaker 2>year outside of Scottie Barnes. But people are very hot

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<v Speaker 2>high on what Evan Mobley can do. Then you add

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<v Speaker 2>in Kevin Love, one of the best role players in

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<v Speaker 2>the league right now, alongside Ricky Rubio, the heart and

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<v Speaker 2>soul of this team.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>As for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Knicks, this is now an exploring year.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you have? Who is Obie Toppin? Who is

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<v Speaker 3>Quentin Grimes? Are Barrett RJ?

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<v Speaker 2>Barrett Good?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Jalen Brunson gonna get you the forty one point

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<v Speaker 2>type of performances that he did when Luca was off

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<v Speaker 2>the floor or is he close to the guy we

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<v Speaker 2>saw a Villanova somewhere in between. And we know that

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<v Speaker 2>Tibbs hates the kids. That's what he does. He hates kids.

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<v Speaker 2>But he might not have a choice. You might have

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<v Speaker 2>the screws put on you and say, listen, TIBs, it's

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<v Speaker 2>time for you to play the young guns, and to

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<v Speaker 2>play them from game one to see what we have.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do know they're not done.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that they are sick.

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<v Speaker 2>I ran in funnily enough, I ran into Gerson Roses

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<v Speaker 2>and Tom Thibodeaux at Summer League. Gerson Roses very friendly,

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<v Speaker 2>not surprising, awesome. Guy knew him back in Minnesota. So

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<v Speaker 2>I asked him what it was up to and he

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<v Speaker 2>said what am I up to getting TIBs some more talent?

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<v Speaker 3>Boy? Did I not?

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea When he said that, he really

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<v Speaker 2>meant it. But I tell you what, the priority to

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<v Speaker 2>get Tibbs more talent was paramount, and this was after

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<v Speaker 2>the Jalen Brunson deal.

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<v Speaker 3>So who have they added since Crickets? No one? Nobody?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I missing anyone? Nobody? They've extended RJ. Barrett, So

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't look like they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to get more talent in the aftermath of messing

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<v Speaker 2>out on Donovan Mitchell. We'll see how these youngsters develop,

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<v Speaker 2>whether Tips plays them together, whether Leon Rose and Worldwide West,

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<v Speaker 2>who's face timing everyone is facetiming another star who might

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<v Speaker 2>be disgruntled. Maybe there's trays up their sleeves in February,

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<v Speaker 2>But if that was their goal, then I'm pretty confident

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<v Speaker 2>it's still the case now. So we'll have to see

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<v Speaker 2>what they end up with closer to February.