1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Official Jets podcasts presented by win Bet. Betty's a team 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: sport been together at win Bet, Eric Allen and the 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Mayn Backer Bart Scott here at one Jets Drive and 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: the Audi Performance Studio were joined from Florida. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: I believe is correct. 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 3: In Florida we. 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 4: Want to move. We don't want to move it to 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 4: to to to specific. You know what I'm saying. I 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: was gonna say for I want to move to You. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: Can't say that, you know a recent home buyer. 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 5: Wow, I am, Yeah. Yeah, That's what I'm talking about. 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: Is everything going on being at home is ahead of guys. 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 4: You have to decorate it. That's the problem. 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: That's what That's what I'm doing dealing with right now. 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 5: You're still wait for Drakes. You're still wait for drapes, 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 5: wait for Drake for everything. It's all coming from North 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 5: Carolina too. 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: Hey, literally, Bart and I have been doing this content 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: thing for a long time since he was a player, 20 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: and you as well, dous. But I think I start 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: with apartment maybe a round oh nine shortly after you 22 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: sign here. You always when you had the kids and 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: they were much younger, Halloween was a big deal in 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: your house. 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 5: Oh well, you know, like in my neighborhood they have 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 5: like this crazy a could de sack where it's probably 27 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 5: be like two three thousand kids and people could drive 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 5: from all over the world me all over Jersey to 29 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 5: go there, and like the fire department lights it up. 30 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 5: It's one way in, but it's like a cul de 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 5: sac that probably has ten blocks within the cul de 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 5: sac and every it's most unique thing I've ever seen. 33 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 5: Every single house has their doors open, and the all 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 5: homeowners are in full costume right like every single one, 35 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 5: and a lot of the kids teachers are there. 36 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 4: It's one of the most unique things I've ever seen before. 37 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 5: I sometimes I have to take pictures to send people 38 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 5: to say, hey man, it's just normal like and I 39 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 5: think when you move in there the cold de sac, 40 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 5: they let you know that what's expected of you. 41 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: Go big or go home. 42 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 4: Dudes. 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be comfortable with that myself because I'd be 44 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: asking everybody to take their shoes off. 45 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 5: What they don't come to the door, but they they 46 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 5: have little parties though too. If you if you did, 47 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 5: they know, you know, you get to come into the house, party, 48 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 5: get get slizzled up. 49 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 50 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 5: You be cold out there in these streets with these kids. 51 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, parents be needing a little 52 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 5: whiskey and honey. 53 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: That's right, you gotta stay warm, all right, dude. Whiskey 54 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: and honey probably would have gone well. Sunday night for 55 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: Jets fans, celebrating a third consecutive win over the Giants. 56 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: Wasn't pretty, but they got the job done. How much 57 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: could that win payoff down the line? 58 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 6: Well, you got to look at this in totality, Bart 59 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 6: and Ea. The Jets had lost seven consecutive games coming 60 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 6: off the buy. So if you just look at the 61 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 6: season in whole, right, it's all about checking off boxes, right, 62 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 6: being able to like Philly records that are bad, Right, 63 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 6: seven straight losses coming off the by, No matter how 64 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 6: ugly it was, you got the win, so you were 65 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 6: able to check off that box. Right, you lose Aaron Rodgers, right, 66 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 6: I think three and three going into the by. Even 67 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 6: with Aaron Rodgers, a lot of people would have checked 68 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 6: in a heartbeat. Now the Jets are four and three 69 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 6: in the thick of this thing, right, and they have 70 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 6: an opportunity in front of a home crowd and prime time, 71 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 6: which the Jets affaired really well. 72 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: In primetime so far. 73 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 6: Now, remember they beat the Bills on opening Monday Night, right, 74 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 6: had a close down to the wire game versus Kansas 75 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 6: City Chiefs. Now they get the Monday night game at 76 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 6: home versus the LA Chargers, who have struggled defensively letting 77 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 6: passers pass. 78 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: The ball for a lot of yards. 79 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 6: So this is a great opportunity for the Jets to 80 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 6: really solidify themselves as being a true contender and making 81 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 6: a playoff run. 82 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 5: And these are the games that you have to win. 83 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 5: So you like to to do Zible's point. Right, you 84 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 5: talk about beating Philadelphia for the first time. Check yep, 85 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 5: you talk about winning coming out of buy check. It's 86 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 5: one that's still remaining. Well what you're talking about, and 87 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 5: that's the pass check. And then after that, if you 88 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 5: get all those checks, I'm pretty confident that you're going 89 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 5: to get the last check that we all want now 90 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 5: to twelve year draft of making it to the postseason. 91 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 4: Check right. 92 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 5: So if they want, if they want to continue to 93 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 5: checking the boxes, they got to make sure that they 94 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 5: come out in games that they're going to be favored in. Now, 95 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 5: I think you know, looking at the lines, so far early, 96 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 5: I think they're minus three, so I think that you know, 97 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 5: they're not expected to win this game, but you know, 98 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 5: going forward, playing the Falcons, playing the Giants, I mean 99 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 5: not the Giants, playing uh, the Raiders or Rangers, right, 100 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 5: and that's a team that's in disarray, but they're going 101 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 5: to play spirited. Whenever you fire a coach, you always 102 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 5: get a spirited effort, at least for the first couple 103 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 5: of weeks before god start, you know, packing that pod 104 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 5: and saying, hey man, I make sure I don't get injured, 105 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 5: you know. So, like, the Jets have great opportunities and 106 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 5: it's all coming, you know, together at the right time. 107 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 5: Now they have to be able to put in better 108 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 5: performances because now they that they are going to be 109 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 5: the favorite of some of these games, they're going to 110 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 5: get the team's best because they're going to get excited 111 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 5: to upset the Jets, opposed. 112 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 4: To vice versa. The Jets are surprising and upsetting the 113 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: other teams. 114 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: All right, dudes, what do you make of what's happening 115 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: up front along that offensive line? You got Connor McGovern 116 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: goes down against the Giants, he's on injury reserve. You 117 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: got west Reizer who moved over started at guard in 118 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: that game because the injuries, moves over to center, he 119 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: goes down, he's on an injury reserve. You ended up 120 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: finishing the game with your four string center. A guy 121 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: who was elevated from the practice squad on Saturday, inn 122 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: Xavier Newman, who shifted from guard to center. Roger Staffold 123 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: was added. Wasn't a trade acquisition. But here's a guy 124 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: who's got familiarity with Keith Carter from their days together 125 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: in Tennessee when they were rushing that football with big 126 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry. But what do you make of the immediate 127 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: challenge for the Jets up front? 128 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, Bart, you know this is all about continuity. When 129 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 6: you're in the influx of moving different offensive line pieces around, 130 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 6: you don't have that continuity. 131 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: Now, we'll see what happens this week. 132 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 6: Joe Tipman, you know, Saw has already come out and 133 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 6: said he's a fast hitler. 134 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 3: We'll see if he'll be able to go. 135 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 6: You get an extra day with it being a Monday 136 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 6: night game, so that could be up for play, right 137 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 6: Dwayne Brown, you know he's still on IR could he 138 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 6: be healthy enough to potentially come back sooner? 139 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: Rather than la later. 140 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 6: But fellas, can we just give some flowers to Xavier Newman. 141 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 6: I don't think bart people understand how truly difficult it 142 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 6: was for what he did on Sunday. Right, heaven never 143 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 6: played the position right. First snap is fumbled, the Giants 144 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 6: get of recovery. The second second snap right, it goes 145 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 6: almost over Zach Wilson's head. But besides that, there was 146 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 6: no really snapping fractions for the rest of the game. 147 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 6: For god that had never really played center before. We 148 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 6: don't even know if he took center snap store in 149 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 6: practice that week. And for him to have the presence 150 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 6: of mind at the end of the game to look 151 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 6: to his right to spot the ball and then know 152 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 6: that the ref still has to touch the ball before 153 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 6: you snap at the Zach. That way, there's no penalties. 154 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 6: I want to give flowers to Xavier Newman. I thought 155 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 6: he did a heck of a job. He also had 156 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 6: to block one of the best defensive tackles in all 157 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 6: the football and Desha Lawrence Destin Lawrence is a defensive 158 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 6: tackle and he's in the top five and pressures for 159 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 6: defensive lineman not d tackles for defensive linemen in the NFL. 160 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 6: That's who he had to block. Not only stopped the ball, 161 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 6: but he had to block this guy. So want to 162 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 6: give flowers to him. But it's all about continuity, right. 163 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 6: You hope Joe Tipman is one healthy, right, because you 164 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 6: don't want to put him out there before he's ready. 165 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 6: But I think Xavier and Newman getting that experience and 166 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 6: maybe this week working at center, hopefully the Jets will 167 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 6: get some debt back saffooed. 168 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if Rodgers Staffville will be ready. 169 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 6: We didn't see Justin Pugh play straight off the couch 170 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 6: for the New York Giants. We'll see if that happens 171 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 6: with Roger Safville because like you said, he he has 172 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 6: familiarity with the offensive line coach. And then also another veteran, 173 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 6: Dennis Kelly right Jets signed him a few weeks ago. 174 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: Could he potentially get. 175 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 6: Some burn So it's all about, you know, understanding in 176 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 6: the NFL, players are going to get dinged up right 177 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 6: and the next man up mentality. 178 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: I know it's a cliche, but it's a true thing 179 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: in the NFL. 180 00:07:59,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: Man, that's crazy. 181 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: What's happening to the Jets offensive line over the past 182 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: few years. Uh, where would you go in terms of 183 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: center because Tipman started out here during training camp and 184 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: he was like a second or third of the top chart, 185 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: but he started he's been starting at guard. 186 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 2: Would you keep no Himan at center? 187 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 5: I would keep no him at center. I think he 188 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 5: didn't do anything that disqualifies him if you give him 189 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 5: an entire week to kind of figure things out. You know, 190 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 5: I like Tipman at guard because it gives him opportunity, 191 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 5: you know, to be able to pull and get other 192 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 5: perimeters and all that type of stuff. But also, man 193 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 5: like you just to talk about you know, sometimes it's 194 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 5: gifting a curse. You know, you have all these guys 195 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 5: coming in, but they can get healthy at the right time. Right, 196 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 5: Just imagine Tipman comes back. He has tremendous experience played 197 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 5: at a high level, right and if X was what 198 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 5: they effectually caused them, can't kind of get some experience 199 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 5: and that solidifies that spot but gives you depth to 200 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 5: move pieces back around. But also Dwayne Brown maybe going 201 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 5: to right tackle right and who knows if macmmion you 202 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 5: can play inside at guard. And that's that's that's why 203 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 5: it's important that you get guys and you bring guys 204 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 5: in your in your program that has versatility because in 205 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 5: this league, you got to be able to if you 206 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 5: get you know, if you're an inside linebacker, you got 207 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 5: to be able to play both inside linebacker spots and 208 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 5: potentially be able to go to sink down and sink 209 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 5: front and be able to hold the hold the bottom, 210 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 5: you know, the outside. If you're a guy like Franklin Myers, 211 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 5: if you can play defensive tackle, you gotta be able 212 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 5: to slide out and be able to play defensive end. 213 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: Right. 214 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 5: So you talk about the versatility, and that's a testament 215 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 5: to Joe Douglas and in solid with their program building. 216 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 5: And you look at also, you know, I believe you know, 217 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 5: they probably have Linel Collins on speed dial. I know 218 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: people say that he's not ready to play yet coming 219 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 5: from that surgery. He'll be ready in a couple of weeks. 220 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 5: You tell him you go get you go get ready 221 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 5: in the shadows. We're gonna bring you in. And so 222 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 5: maybe who knows, you can have Dwayne Brown or right 223 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 5: tackle a Linel Collins that right guard right, and then 224 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 5: you can maybe have you know, on the other side, 225 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 5: you behold with beck n and Townlinson and then you 226 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 5: can they can battle it out for that center position. 227 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 5: So because you have to play so many people so 228 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 5: early in, the Jets have handle adversity. You know, when 229 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 5: you get to the middle season, you see other teams 230 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 5: they can't handle the adversity so quickly. You see San 231 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 5: Francisco hasn't been able to handle the adversity just with Deebo, 232 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 5: Samuel and Trent Williams. Like they still have all pros 233 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 5: and all stars all over the place. 234 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 4: They've lost three in a row. 235 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: This is an awesome point. 236 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 5: So it's a testament to the resolve for all the 237 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 5: players that they brought in and what they're made out of. 238 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 5: And I love that you bring guys in that have 239 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 5: faced adversity that's been cut because when they get these opportunities, 240 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 5: they say, man, listen, I'll take whatever opportunity you give me. 241 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: I don't get center, Okay. 242 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Resolve, resilience. This team continues to overcome adversity. I 243 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: don't care how ugly it's been duees. You got Thomas 244 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: moristat who This guy predicted before the game that one 245 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: of the punters is going to be the MVP of 246 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: the game, and it ends up being more stat who 247 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: in eleven punts nearly average fifty yards of boot had 248 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: four down inside the twenty three down inside the five 249 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: yard line. And then after the game, the guy was 250 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: in tears because he was talking about how great or 251 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: how much he cares and how great an organization this 252 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: is in the culture that is inside that locker room. 253 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 254 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, he talked about how a few years ago that 255 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 6: nobody wanted him and the Jets gave him an opportunity 256 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 6: and he'll forever be thankful to the Jets. I was 257 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 6: actually kind of mad when you know, even the year 258 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 6: that you know, Brandon Man was hurt, he came in 259 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 6: that they let him go because I thought he punted 260 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 6: at an elite level like he's been doing this year. 261 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 6: So he's really solidified him and Greg the Legs airline 262 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 6: have solidified those specialist, you know, positions for the Jets 263 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 6: where it's kind of been influx the last couple of years. 264 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 6: They've been able to stabilize that. And Bart we talked 265 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 6: about this earlier, right like, if you know that you 266 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 6: have an opportunity to win the game or going to overtime, 267 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 6: and great the leg steps up, there's a good chance 268 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 6: you're going to go to overtime and win the game 269 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 6: because he's been pretty automatic and talk about field position battle, right, 270 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 6: that's an underlying factor that people that don't talk about 271 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 6: this game enough. Right, When you have a good defense, 272 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 6: you want to win the field position battle. 273 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 4: Point. 274 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: Case in point, Giants won the toss. If they were smart, 275 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: they would. 276 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 6: Have went on defense first, right, because knowing what their 277 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 6: offensive game plan was with Tommy DeVito, they decided to 278 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 6: go on offense first. They throw three swing passes to 279 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 6: the right and lose yard field position. 280 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: Right now, they just have a short field. 281 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 6: They're able to make a couple passes, get a DPI 282 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 6: and they're in field goal range for Greg zerline to 283 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 6: win the game. So the field position battle really helps 284 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 6: when you have good specialists like Thomas Morris said, and 285 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 6: also Greg Zerline. 286 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 7: Jets fans, we're in our final push and the clock 287 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 7: is ticking. Win Bet is giving you a golden opportunity 288 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 7: to win VIP prizes for the twenty twenty three season. 289 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 7: The win Bet Green Room is the most exclusive space 290 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 7: at the stadium with all inclusive food and beverage, lower 291 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 7: level seats, and appearances by Jets legends and celebrities. 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The Jets made one 300 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: move about a week prior to the trade deadline, sending 301 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: Mkole Harman back to the Chiefs in essentially a pick swap. 302 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: Can we talk about the wide receiver position? Because you 303 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: talk to Garrett Wilson each week on your show, Big 304 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: Time Dog Guy gets it. Don seven catches one hundred yards. 305 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: But how do you see the rest of the room 306 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: working out here? Because the Jets have expressed the interests 307 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: and optimism on Xavier Gibson when they dealt Cardman back. 308 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: Obviously Corey Davis, who. 309 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: I think people I don't know if they forget about it, 310 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: but he was on this roster, he retired. 311 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 4: And he was a big player. 312 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so where do you what do you think of 313 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: that room right now. 314 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 5: Well, you talk about Taylor, who's a straight up burner, right, 315 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 5: So you need somebody always that can take the top 316 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 5: off the defense because Lizard isn't that. 317 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 4: He's more of a possession receiver. 318 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 5: So and the guy that's tremendous on in the running game, 319 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 5: Xavier Gibson can be your gadget guy. You give him 320 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 5: some other things, but jet sweets, like over rocks, anything 321 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 5: that can get him in his hands where he can 322 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 5: use those you know, those punt return type of skills. 323 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 5: And then you know, I look at Bromley right he's up, 324 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 5: and you look at Randall Cobb being down last week. 325 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 5: I think Brownley is going to get some opportunities here, 326 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 5: and you know it gives you also opportunities with Bromley 327 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 5: his size and Taylor with his speed to be able 328 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 5: to move Garrett Wilson inside where teams that are trying 329 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 5: to double him and take him away can't really take 330 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 5: him away when he's in the slot because you can't 331 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 5: get hands on them. You send them in motion and 332 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 5: be able to get those favorable matchups. So it's about 333 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 5: how the pieces. Sometimes a hole is greater than some 334 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 5: of his parts. And I think the Jets can kind 335 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 5: of do that using guys to do what they do well. 336 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting Brownley, he made those contested catches throughout the 337 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: summer and in the spring, and he made this roster, 338 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: one of the undrafted free agents who made the roster 339 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: along with the savior Gibson. 340 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: Deuce. 341 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, Brownley, I think he's going to get it more 342 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 6: opportunities and I would not be surprised to see him 343 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 6: and Xavier Gibson almost split those slot you know, receiver 344 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 6: reps in half going forward, right, because you want to 345 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 6: see what you got with this influx of youth and 346 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 6: young talent on your roster. 347 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: Another thing, Bart, I think you know, me and AA 348 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: talked about this last week. 349 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 6: I think of just to go more twelve personnel, even 350 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 6: on third down, A Jeremy Rutger and also Tyler Conkling 351 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 6: can be a mismatch for a lot of linebackers in space. 352 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 6: We've seen in that week I believe it was Week 353 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 6: four versus Kansas City Chiefs. Right, how many times Zach 354 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 6: Wilson hit Tyler Conklan or Gjermy Rucker on their back 355 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 6: shoulder fade? Right, These guys can really get down the field. 356 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 6: I think that the thing can use that to his advantage. Right, 357 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 6: they do, like they just do run a lot of 358 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 6: twelve and thirteen personnel, but I think they sued to 359 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 6: run it to attack down the field, especially down the 360 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 6: scenes with the two tight ends Jeremy Rucker and Tyler Conklin. 361 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: I think this back half of the season we should. 362 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 6: See more of those guys getting shots down the scenes 363 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 6: because you know this bart when you're in that trail position. 364 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: It's really hard. 365 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 6: If there's a perfect pass on the back shoulder, it's 366 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 6: really hard to defend. 367 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 5: That, especially if teams decide to say, man, they running 368 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 5: out of this personnel. And sometimes you can put them 369 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 5: opposite of each other, but you can put them on 370 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 5: the same side of each other and create like that 371 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 5: dominant side where you can double double and work up 372 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 5: to the linebackers and the safeties and then you can 373 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 5: split them and then split them out. I think Rutgers 374 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 5: is athletic enough and fast enough to be able to 375 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 5: split him out with that little cut split. And those 376 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 5: are also you know cut splits where you can do 377 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 5: those tosses where he can crack down and really help 378 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 5: out on the run game. 379 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 4: As well. 380 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 5: You know, so I think you should be able to 381 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 5: be creative out it. I like that person a lot. 382 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 5: I think Rutgers really, you know, underestimated for his ability 383 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 5: to be a receiver because he went to a college 384 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 5: in which he had three first round draft picks and 385 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 5: nobody got to see that part of his game. But 386 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 5: we hear about it all the time. We know he 387 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 5: has the speed and we know that he's sure handed. 388 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: What do you make of the trade deadline from a 389 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: Jets perspective, dudes, Joe Douglas said he made multiple calls 390 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: to multiple teams, had conversations about multiple players at multiple positions. 391 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 4: Yeah. 392 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing about the trade deadline. 393 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 6: When you're bringing somebody in, fellas, you got to bring 394 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 6: somebody in that you know is going to fit the system, 395 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 6: fit the locker room. 396 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: Everything has to mesh well. 397 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 6: I think Joe Douglas said it perfectly himself, like we 398 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 6: could be a buyer, but there has to be sellers too, 399 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 6: and it has to make sense for both sides. So 400 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 6: now I know a lot of Jet fans were up 401 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 6: in arms. Even me, I thought maybe there would be 402 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 6: a potential move. We saw Ezra Cleveland get traded, I 403 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 6: believe for a sixth round pick to the Jacksonville Jaguars. 404 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 6: Just knowing all the injuries with the interior offensive line, 405 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 6: that potentially could be something that Joe Douglass looked at, 406 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 6: and I'm sure he didn't make a call. But at 407 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 6: the end of the day, maybe it just didn't make sense. 408 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 6: Maybe Joe Tipman is a lot healthier than a lot 409 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 6: of us, you know, think he is, and he could 410 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 6: potentially come back sooner rather than later. 411 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: And then I know a lot of people. 412 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 6: Were looking at the receiver position hunter Renfro with the 413 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 6: Las Vegas Raiders. Maybe he didn't make a call, you know, 414 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 6: because supposedly Carl Lawson was potentially a guy that could 415 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 6: potentially get traded, maybe a swap if the logistics worked 416 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 6: with the Vegas Raiders, but that ultimately didn't happen, and 417 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 6: Donovan People's Jones ends up even Cleveland for a sixth 418 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 6: round to go to Detroit. So I think Joe Douglas 419 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 6: sat back with the staff, sat down with Robert Sala, 420 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 6: and at the end of the day, it just didn't 421 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 6: make sense. I guess as far as compensation and what 422 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 6: teams are willing to get for certain players and the 423 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 6: you know, the the Jets stayed pat, but they did 424 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 6: sign Rogers Saffold, and you would hope in about two 425 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 6: weeks that he's ready to go and ready to play 426 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 6: and help provide depth for this offensive line. 427 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: I feel like we're gonna say this every week after 428 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: team starts one to three. But how big of a 429 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: game is this specific one coming up Jets Chargers Monday 430 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: Night Football? 431 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 5: I mean it's important because if you don't win the division, 432 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 5: you have to keep pace right and you have an 433 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 5: opportunity to climb up on. You know, you hope that 434 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 5: Kansas City can play well and beat Miami for you, you're 435 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 5: gonna have an opportunity to handle your business, you know, 436 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 5: yourself in the upcoming weeks. But also this is an 437 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 5: AFC opponent this week as well. When you talk about 438 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 5: tie breakers being able to get into the playoffs, you 439 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 5: talk about next week against the Raiders as well. 440 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 4: Maybe that's why the Raiders. 441 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 5: Didn't want to trade, because they were an opponent, and 442 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 5: you know, you look at what happened out there with 443 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 5: the Broncos. You know, it looks like they're trying to 444 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 5: save their job because they feel confident that they've won 445 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 5: three and they feel like, oh well, maybe we're starting 446 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 5: off slows, so why get rid of young talent. You know, 447 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 5: Sean Payton has a lot to try and back up 448 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 5: because he talked a lot, so maybe they didn't want 449 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 5: to deal guys in that regard. But you have to 450 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 5: understand that. You know, the dash the cash is coming 451 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 5: and Joe Burrow looks like he's getting back, so you 452 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 5: know them and the Baltimore Ravens are going to be there. 453 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 5: So you're saying, if we don't win our division, who 454 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 5: do we have to compete with for those wildcard spots? 455 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 5: So you know it comes down to tie breakers in AFC, 456 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 5: So you want to stack as many AFC games and 457 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 5: wins on your win column as you can. 458 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: On paper, this is an inviting target. The Chargers defense. 459 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: They've given up a ton of big plays in the 460 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: back end. 461 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: They've been better this year. 462 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 5: If you got to block them, building you got two 463 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 5: of the best pass rushers in football. 464 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: So let's get into that right now. What do you 465 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: think about the matchup at hand for the Jets offense? First, 466 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: the Chargers defense? 467 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, like you said, first and foremost, it starts in 468 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 6: the trenches right when you talk about Khalil Mack and 469 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 6: also Joey Boza and Tully Tuopo too, who they drafted 470 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 6: in the second round from sc He's a nice piece 471 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 6: that moves from inside the outside too, and he's been 472 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 6: a really good pass rusher for them as well. So 473 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 6: we know the injuries that the Jessup sustained on the 474 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 6: offensive line. So first and foremost, before you can attack 475 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 6: down field, Bart you know this, you gotta block them 476 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 6: up front. 477 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 3: Right. 478 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 6: You don't block them up front, you can't throw the 479 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 6: ball down the field. So they're gonna they're gonna have 480 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 6: to be able to do that. And then we talked 481 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 6: about it. The Charges have been extremely better in stopping 482 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 6: the run this year. They were got awful last year. 483 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: So you can't abandon the run, right, You still to 484 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: have Breese Hall in the backfield. 485 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 6: One thing I would like for them to do is 486 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 6: kind of like what the Charge have done with Austin Eckler. 487 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 6: Get Breese Hall involved in the passing game. We saw 488 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 6: just last week him take a fifty fifty yard checkdown, 489 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 6: just a simple checkdown. That's how special this kid is. 490 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 6: You gotta get him involved in the passing game. And 491 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 6: then also we know that Garret Wilson's gonna get a 492 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 6: lot of attention. He's gonna come down to attacking down 493 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 6: these seams against these linebackers Murray and Kendricks. You gotta 494 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 6: attack them down the scene with these line these tight 495 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 6: ends that we have. We talked about that earlier, right, 496 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 6: Jemmy Rucker, Tyler Conklin attacked these linebackers and coverage because 497 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 6: Kenth Murray has struggled and coverage from the linebacker position. 498 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: It's easy for me to say, sitting in this very 499 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: comfortable green share. But to his point, Dude's point about Hall, 500 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't think any defensive back in the league wants 501 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: any part of Bristoll. 502 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 4: No, he's a lot bigger than people give him credit 503 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 4: for it. 504 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 5: He's a stout, big backing, you know, but he has 505 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 5: that electric speed, so he puts defenders on their heels 506 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 5: because they don't know what to do. Like he can 507 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 5: run around you, but then he can run over you, 508 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 5: and you know, they so so it puts him in 509 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 5: a tough position. 510 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: You know. 511 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 5: I would like to see them, you know, maybe come 512 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: back more with the pony package too, because I think 513 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 5: it's opportunities to be able to do double screens and 514 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 5: middle screens. We saw last week, you know, the old 515 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 5: middle screen. I haven't seen old middle screen since I 516 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 5: forgot the coordinator you guys have from Buffalo, you know 517 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 5: for a long time, Chan Gailey and and pile with it. 518 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 4: With the middle screen. 519 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 5: I saw Jamiir Gibbs take a middle screen where people like, 520 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 5: what is he doing? 521 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 4: He ran out here and he ran all the way 522 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 4: across the field. 523 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: Yea. 524 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 5: I would like to see, you know, the middle screens 525 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 5: kind of come out and the double screens and the 526 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 5: wheel routes with you know, the leading blocker, you know, 527 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: cause I think that's the opportunity to get Dalvin Cook 528 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 5: in a comfortable place as well. 529 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: That's a key point here because Joe Douglas said that 530 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: both Carl Lawson and Dalvin Cook are gonna be our 531 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: valuable assets and we're gonna need them down the stretch. 532 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: At what's your thoughts, Duce. 533 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 6: Well, we know this bart football is one hundred percent 534 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 6: injury right right, and there could be a game where 535 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 6: you're gonna have to lean on Dalvilin Cook because you know, 536 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 6: Brees Hall maybe isn't one hundred percent We know what 537 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 6: running backs, there's a lot of rare and tear on 538 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 6: the body, and we're hope that breesh Hall is you know, 539 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 6: healthy for the duration of the season. But there's times 540 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 6: we're gonna have to lean on backs. We just we 541 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 6: saw it last year Breeshall went down and you know, 542 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 6: you had to use Bam Knight, you had to use 543 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 6: Michael Carter, you had to use Johnson too. 544 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: Todd Johnson had running back. 545 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 6: So there's opportunities where Dalvin Cook could be called upon 546 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 6: later on the season. 547 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: So you just hope that he stays in it. I 548 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 3: know it's frustrating as. 549 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 6: A guy that's been a pro bowler, right, a guy 550 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 6: that's had four straight years with over eleven hundred yards 551 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 6: rushing not being able to get the carriers to get 552 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 6: warmed up in the game because we know what's a 553 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 6: rhythm type thing. But you got to be ready when 554 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 6: your number is called. Right, and Carl Lawson, right, we 555 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 6: already saw our woods go down. Right, Tanzel Smart's going 556 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 6: to get an opportunity. We know that they're deep at 557 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 6: the defensive end position, but anytime somebody gets nicked up, 558 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 6: Carl Lawson has to be ready to go so again, 559 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 6: I know it's frustrating when you used to being the guy, 560 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 6: but that's the NFL, right as ebbs and flows to 561 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 6: this thing, Bart and when your numbers called, you better 562 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 6: be ready to go out there and produce. 563 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 4: Zachy y are what you put on film. 564 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 5: I mean, I'd like to see them maybe use Carl 565 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 5: Loss to get more creative, you know with our woods 566 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 5: been out and maybe do some of the things they 567 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 5: do with Michael Parsons when you put him over a 568 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 5: center and just see if he can use some type 569 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 5: of quickness or some type of pass rushing moves, you know, 570 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 5: either going left or right and being able to isolate 571 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 5: himself on top of you know, as you saw them 572 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 5: with do that with Bryce Huff a couple of times. 573 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 5: But if they're both off side, kind of a NASCAR 574 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 5: package to get him come. We'll get him a hythm 575 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 5: because last year he did have seven sacks, right all right, 576 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 5: So let's see if we can get him in rhythm. 577 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 5: You know, it seems like he's struggling on the outside, 578 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 5: gets taller, bigger, you know, position players, put him on 579 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 5: the inside, put him in a phone boll for see 580 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 5: if God's can deal. 581 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: With them Fellaws. 582 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: I love this matchup with this Jets defense that has 583 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: been great against very good to elite quarterbacks, whether it 584 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: be Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts going against Justin Herbert, Well. 585 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 4: They're gonna your challenge this week. 586 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 5: Listen, Listenin Herbert ain't gonna be afraid to give this 587 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 5: guy a chance because Sauce Gardner's on the other side. 588 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 5: When you talk about that's Keenan Allen over there, Yeah, 589 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 5: you know, I mean, and Sauce better have his technique 590 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 5: right because he's one of the most crafty route runners 591 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 5: this game has to offer. 592 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: Who else should we be circling. I'd start with Austin Eckler, right. 593 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: Austin Eckler. 594 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 6: If you look at this Jets team and you look 595 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 6: at the history, Bart, you know this, when you have 596 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 6: an aggressive D line, what slows them down. 597 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 3: Austin Eckler is one of the best screenbacks. 598 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 6: In all the Crazy Lives, Jets have seemed to really 599 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 6: struggle gets stopping running back screen. So I know that 600 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 6: it's being talked about the meetings, but you know this, Bart, 601 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 6: We're all. 602 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: On that field. 603 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: Man. 604 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 6: It's like dogs in the meathouse. Right, you want to 605 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 6: just get after the quarterback, you have to be smart. 606 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 6: Austin Egger is probably gonna get more targets and it 607 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 6: gets rushing attempts this game, so you have to know 608 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 6: the game plan going in. You just have to be smart. 609 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 6: I'm not saying turn your aggression down when you rush, 610 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 6: but if you get too easily an issue about that, 611 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 6: turn it out, turn around, retrace your steps. 612 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: Defensive linemen are gonna have to make plays. 613 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 6: On the screen play this Monday night if the Jets 614 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 6: want a chance to win this. 615 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 5: Game, especially when he's blocking you, because he does a 616 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 5: great job and blocking you and they really making you 617 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 5: think you beat him and turn around. It's like a 618 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 5: one man screen on again like one guard. Yeah, it's 619 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 5: like a swing pass. It's like a slip screen with 620 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 5: like a one man like in front the center of 621 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 5: the guard. And it's like really last week he was 622 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 5: super successful on it twice and they do it really, 623 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 5: really well. So the just's gonna have to understand you 624 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 5: retrace your steps always and if you get your keys 625 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 5: three by one center and backstep the same way, you 626 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 5: have to know, Okay, that's a screen indicator. So you 627 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 5: got to be able to take your football acumen up 628 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 5: just a notch. 629 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: And one of the best watpins in the national football 630 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: He got cler okay, So what makes Herbert unique as 631 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: far as the way he operates in the pocket. 632 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 5: And he's been struggling with his accuracy with this finger 633 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 5: right and what's going on with his finger. So he's 634 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 5: typically very accurate quarterback, much like Trevor Lawrence. But Trevor 635 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 5: Lawrence is a better runner. I'm surprised with his size 636 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 5: and its speedings athleticism. He doesn't run as much as 637 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 5: like you would think like Josh Allen or Trevor Lawrence. 638 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 5: So that's a good thing because the Jets once again 639 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 5: was struggling with Tyrod kind of getting out of the pocket, 640 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 5: you know. So I think he's just elite, one of 641 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 5: the best guys in the game. And they're under tremendous 642 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 5: pressure because they have high expectations, especially after get in 643 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 5: the bag and you know, right now it doesn't look 644 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 5: like they're going to catch Kansas City, So they have 645 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 5: to be eyeing the Jets as this as a team 646 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 5: that we have to beat because we may have to 647 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 5: see them and we may have to be competing with them. 648 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 4: For the last couple of spots in the playoffs. 649 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: You guys think they gain confidence last week beating a 650 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: Bears team that was obviously down. 651 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 4: Nah, you get the Bears. 652 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 6: Well to me, to me, a win always Bills convenist, 653 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 6: no matter who is against. You got to look at 654 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 6: the week before close game versus Dallas Cowboys, and the 655 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 6: thing that is kind of plagued justin Herbert is what 656 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 6: does he do in the fourth quarter when they're down once? 657 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 6: I mean an astounding stat thirteen interceptions since twenty twenty 658 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter of one score games. Like, you 659 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 6: don't want that connotation with you, And to Bar's point, 660 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 6: this is one of my favorite quarterbacks in the league. 661 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 6: This guy can make every throw. Bart and you talked 662 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 6: about how big he is. His athleticism, you would think 663 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 6: he runs more, but he is one of the better 664 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 6: quarterbacks throwing on the move right. He does present that 665 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 6: issue and we've seen it from time to time him 666 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 6: scramble and get first downs, but he's a guy that's 667 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 6: always looking downfield. He doesn't want to take off with 668 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 6: the four ball. He wants to get his receivers, tight 669 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,719 Speaker 6: ends and backs involved in this game. So if you're 670 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 6: the Jets. This is a guy that can make every throw. 671 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 6: You gotta rile him. It's not easy to do that 672 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 6: because this guy never feels like he's out of a 673 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 6: game with the arm talent he has. But the defensive 674 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 6: line definitely has to come alive this game and rattle 675 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 6: Justin Herbert. 676 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: Give me a number. How many points just gotta scored 677 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: this week? 678 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 5: They got to score at least twenty eight? Yeah, I think, yeah, 679 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 5: I think, because you think eight, I think. 680 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 4: I think. I think if you hold this this Charger 681 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 4: team to twenty one points, that's a win. 682 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 5: Right, So yeah, you better have yo. I'm gonna say 683 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 5: twenty eight. In case a kick a lake field goal, 684 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 5: twenty four to twenty eight. 685 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 6: I'm gonna say that Jets have to score on offense 686 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 6: at least twenty one points. If you look at that 687 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 6: Dallas team, they were able to hold him to seventeen. 688 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 6: I think that could be the sweet spot for how 689 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 6: this Jets defense is played. But you need at least 690 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 6: twenty one to twenty four from this Jets offense this week. 691 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: All right, great job Fellas the trade deadline came and went, 692 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: and I decided that, hey, we got a good team, 693 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: so no movement here. 694 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: He