WEBVTT - Secrets Exhumed w/ Roscoe Orman 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:07.680 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.200 These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:31.600 Done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:33.120 I'm Kara Klank. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.120 And I'm Liza Traeger and we are so excited to 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.800 be talking SVU sadly crimes and then also celeb guests, 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.520 and we have so much to discuss up top. Though, 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.920 because Kara went to see Elton John with her friends Dad, 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.879 I don't know everything. Oh it was so good. It 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:52.640 was so good. 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.120 It's just like a bucket list person I've always wanted 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.760 to go see and I really wanted to see him 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.560 when he was with a Billy Joel in the city 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.520 when I live there and I never got around tw 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.560 it or I remember like asking Jared and he was like, 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.800 no thanks, And I was like doubting our relationship because 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.480 I was like, who would say no thanks to going 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:09.240 to that concert? 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:10.119 But he's weird. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.680 Anyway, I had the best time. I went with three 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.440 of my girls from college. We just had a blast. 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.760 Like it was at the stadium where the padres placed. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.560 It was very big. They do like they do like 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.880 piano cam on him a lot where all you see 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.880 are like bedazzled sleeves, and then piano was like him 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:29.920 banging on the keys. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.200 But it's just hit after hit. I mean, I think 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.360 he sang maybe two songs. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.080 That I didn't know super well, but like everything else 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.640 is just like the hits, and he has no opening act. 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.399 He goes on at eight o'clock. They're like, don't be late. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:45.520 He went on at like eight oh five, I mean 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.920 truly and just starts and putting. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.840 On a great So do they what time does it 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.960 say on the ticket? And does it say don't be late? 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.240 There's no opener? Come at eight because usually people are 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.920 lates of concerts, Like I wonder if he the doors. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.520 At six oh door doors at six being your seat 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:00.960 by eight? 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.760 Elton starts on time and there is no opener. Okay, cool? Yeah, 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.600 Goga didn't have an opener. I remember Madonna didn't have 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.639 an opener. I think Shared did not. No Share had 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:12.520 some Belgium bands. 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.120 Shared Share maybe when I saw Share had like a 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.000 DJ or something at the beginning, But yeah, I don't 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:18.040 think it was like an opener. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.079 They don't need it, So what's the demo? Is it 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.680 like a lot of elderly all over the damn place. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.600 Like it was a lot of older people, but it 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.200 was like a lot of young people and like our 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.240 age and stuff. It was really all over the place, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:38.080 like truly, he's just such a worldwide all ages talent. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.440 And he was like talking on stage about how he's 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.240 like gonna retire and spend time with his kids, and 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.720 I go, bullshit, I'll believe it when I see it. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.800 I was like pretty drunk and was like, he's never 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.960 gonna stop. He's not. 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.200 They're all liars, they're all narcissists. They need it for 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.800 tenth farewell tour. You heard share this is just gossip 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.160 about old legends. We could do it like a legends 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.600 gossip minute. Cher is dating this new young man. It 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.000 just came out, this new young guy and he's Amber 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.840 Rose's ex who apparently cheated on her like crazy, So 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.680 I really hope this man doesn't fuck with Cher. I 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:19.000 mean she'll kill you. Yeah, she'll have you killed. I 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.160 was in New York and I did have a lovely moment. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.799 I was in a car going over the Willmsbury bridge 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.520 and I just looked to the right and it was 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.000 like a movie. We were in traffic, so it wasn't moving, 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.760 so it was just like the full night like lit 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.160 up skyline, like truly like a fairy on the water. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:36.600 The moon was huge. 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:40.520 And then Kelly Clarkson started playing on the radio, you 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:42.880 know the like the moment. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.520 The big hit moment like this. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.280 Yes, And then a moment like this started playing and 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.080 I was I truly started to cry. I couldn't believe it. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:52.760 I was like, this is what this is what I 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.400 live for. I'm like, this is it. And I asked 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.440 him to turn it up, and I just like looked 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.800 at the moon and skyline in the water and I 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:02.440 was just like, you know what, Kelly, it is. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.200 This is the moment. It is the moment. No people 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.320 away the lifetime for a moment like this. I love it. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.480 And it felt really cool. And I did a thing 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.800 for the first time. You know, our friend Yasir Lester 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.000 and his brother made a movie mm hmm. And I 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.560 got to go to like the rough cut screening and 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.200 have a paper and like they ask for notes and stuff. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:24.840 Oh yeah, I've been to one of those. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.640 I've never done that I didn't know what was up, 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.960 but it was like a really intimate group in some 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:31.839 office like little theater space. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:32.200 I don't know. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.160 I felt like it felt cool. I felt like a 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.239 Kerrie bradshop. I deleevely, you know. I gave the notes 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:38.080 I gave, but I. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.840 Loved I'm glad they add other people there. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.719 I would say that they just invited you, and they're 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.960 like it all hinges on what Lisa Trigger thinks of 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:47.640 this movie. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.680 I just wish I could be more helpful. But I 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.719 was literally just like amazed someone can make that. Like 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.279 I was just like ten. They're like, I'm like ten, Yes, 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.640 I loved this. They're like, what parts are lagging? Like 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.960 where you know it's a rough cut and they want. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.360 No notes cut out of ten? Everything rolls. Yeah. I 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.680 was just like this was great. This was great. I 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:09.480 laughed here. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.120 And then my other friend who stayed till them, she goes, oh, no, 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.839 people were giving like real helpful notes, and I wish 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.760 I could be that person with them too, but I 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:19.040 was not. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.039 Did you see Aaron our friend Aaron? Oh did she 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.080 go in the movie. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.960 In the movie, Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, she is 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.359 in the movie. And she is in the beginning and 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.280 very fun. It's great. I was like, oh, cutting room floor. No, 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.440 she's definitely in it. Well, also, Chelsea's in that scene. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.720 He's he can't cut out in life, but she. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.520 Said, she goes, I'm not gonna get cut because I'm 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:42.320 in a scene with his wife. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.160 Yeah, but it was really good. I don't even know 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.400 how much I can chat since it's such rough abs, 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.400 but just impressive, just impressive the skills people have. And 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.159 it takes I mean years because yeah, it was just 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:58.440 an impressive, cool moment I feel. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.360 And as usual, we're in the time machine. So this 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.720 episode will be coming out a couple of days after 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:07.080 everyone will have done Thanksgiving. Hopefully you're all getting over. Yeah, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.760 hopefully you'll all be getting over whatever trauma your family 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.840 inflicted on you this past weekend. And are you doing 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:17.360 BT dubs. I'm I'm home. I'm staying home. I'm having 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.000 so far. One family over that you know that has 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.880 one little kid and then maybe Aaron, who I just 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.040 talked about, but not sure. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.799 And you're not cooking, I assume, so what are we doing? No? 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.000 No, the other mom is a good cook, Like she's 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.240 gonna do a roast turkey because I don't even eat meat. 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:36.040 My kids don't eat meat. 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:40.520 Aaron doesn't either, So like I'm gonna do potatoes, crampberry 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.640 out of a can, and like one other thing, and 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.640 she's gonna do sweet potatoes, green beans and the turkey, 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.400 and so it's like we just like splitting it and 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:48.880 we're like, let's just not make Oh, I'm gonna do 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.400 a vegetarian stuffing too, because I love stuffing, like stuffing 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.240 fucking rules, but I don't like the kind that's been 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:55.719 inside the. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.360 Bird or whatever. Yeah. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.760 No, I meat and I don't love that. Yeah, Yeah, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.039 want some normal stuffing. Yeah, So Thanksgiving we'll have come 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:07.279 and gone, yes. 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.320 And we will actually when this episode airs, we will 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.440 be zipping up our suitcases in anticipation of heading out 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.840 to Orlando. Please come see us tomorrow night, Wednesday, the 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:23.720 thirtieth of November in Orlando. We're so excited. Then on Thursday, 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:27.240 we'll be in Tampa. What's up Tampa. We'll be there 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.800 on the first of December, and then we have a 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.280 day off, and then on Saturday, the third, we do 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:36.640 a little afternoon show at the Miami Improv And that's 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.360 in Miami, So come welcome us to Miami with that 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.840 song from Will Smith, and you know, come see us 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.920 in Florida. And then of course, you know we've got 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:51.680 more dates in December, Texas, Sacramento, and then all of 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.520 our East Coast dates in January. So go to That's 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.000 messed up live dot com if you have not had 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:58.880 a chance to buy tickets yet, because some of these 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.520 shows are selling out, So get them, babies, girl. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.840 I have a question. So I'm on the flight. I'm 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.120 very sleepy this morning, and I'm resting. I'm sleeping. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.200 You know, I'm sleeping on the flight, but I could 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.400 tell we've landed. You know, I understand what's happening. But 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.040 the guy next to me poked me to wake me up, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.320 and truly, I don't think i've ever acted. So I 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.600 was like, don't touch me, and he was like, well, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.840 you were sleeping, and then I grabbed my bags and 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.880 it was still a line. I go, yeah, and now 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.760 like why would you like, why are you touching him? 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.800 He told you to wake you up when the flight landed. 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:38.839 Yes, that's crazy, and I was so aggressive towards him, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.440 but it's like, don't touch I get it's not even 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.480 time to leave. It's not like people have passed us, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.760 like we truly just grounded. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:47.960 Like the door wasn't the. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.360 Way you would have you would have, like all the 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.199 people trying to pull their carry ons out on the top, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:54.439 you would have woken up naturally. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.560 And even if you hadn't, could did he have to 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:58.719 like get by you or what? 0:08:59.080 --> 0:08:59.280 Yeah? 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:04.480 I'm always an but like I just hated being poked 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.000 awake by a stranger and I was just and he 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.600 seemed alarmed when I said, don't touch me, but it's like, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.320 don't And I don't know if I told you this, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.160 but a couple of weeks ago, stop me if I've 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.160 already talked about it on the pod. I'm sitting out, 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.360 you know, at the cellar whatever. Me and Jared Fried 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.400 are sitting. A guy comes up to us and compliments 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.840 us great. He shakes Jared's hand AND's like, oh, hell, yeah, 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.840 you were funny. Comes to me I'm sitting, hugs me, 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.400 kisses my neck, what goes? 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:39.320 You were great? Kisses my neck like twice, And I. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.160 Wish I treated him like I treated this poke guy, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:43.240 and I wish him this moment. 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:44.560 I went like, what are you doing? 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.440 But I was kind of alarmed, and then he walked away, 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.920 and I go, Jared, he just kissed my neck, and 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.120 he goes, wait, I thought you knew him. I assumed 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.880 he the way he hugged you. I thought you knew him. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.040 I go, I did not know him. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.160 How to kiss anyone's neck. That's not a sexual. That 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.520 like a neck kissing is purely sexual. There is no 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.000 platonic neck kissing. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.760 I wish I did something and got him banned or something. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.880 I just did not act fast enough. And then I 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:11.160 just looked at him and I go, you don't even 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:12.640 have to worry about I'm like, no guy would ever 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.280 do this to you, Like, no one would grab you 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.360 and just kiss your neck like that so twisted. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.000 I mean, famously, a big comedy booker of a festival 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.960 kissed my hand on two different occasions. That is nothing 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:29.440 compared to your neck. Neck is not okay. Neck is 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.600 not okay. Blown away, And know you have not mentioned 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.839 this on the spot, because I would fucking remember it. 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.360 I'm like, so gross, because it's like, God, neck is 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.559 like basically sex. I mean, to me, someone kissing your 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.319 neck is like you're about to fuck Like. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.560 I'm sorry, Like I wish I said something, but I 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:53.200 truly was just like, what. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.760 What's the guy trying to hit on? You? Do I 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.800 know him? Is that hitting on? 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:58.880 It matter if you know him, I don't care if 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.000 you gave him a kidney. That is such a weird 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:05.280 fucking thing to do. That is so fucking weird. Anyway, listen, 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.560 we let's make this a short intro. You are tired 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.640 from traveling. I have to go take my children somewhere, 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:17.000 so let's let's get this episode started. You have Tricksie 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.679 Mittel's number. I need you to ask her when does 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:24.560 she sleep? I need to know when she's sleeping. I 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:25.640 need to know how she's fun. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.679 Because of the constant because of the constant travel. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.400 She's busier than me. Is she sleeping? I want to 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.200 know what she's up to. Great question. So if you 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:34.920 can please. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.680 Find that out for me, that would be great. Do 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.000 my mess. 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We've been working on it. 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.920 And we're we got it baby, Season fourteen, episode fourteen. 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.080 You know I love that. I love a little numbers game. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.559 And we open up in the squad room, Olivia is 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.839 packing up a box and Finn is walking behind her 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.600 with a box and he's just like, I don't want 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.000 to move, and Benson's like it's six feet like could 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.120 you just shut the fuck up? And Craigan's like, new year, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.640 knew me. I want to shake things up. You guys 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.400 are getting too complacent. But Finn just likes his old 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.200 desk and that's that. And Tomorrow's like, oh, do you 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.679 need a grief counselor I love a joke. I love 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.839 a joke, And usually he's just sat at you know 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.040 about his wife are shooting an unarmed kid. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.839 But here a joke, So that's great. You don't get 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.480 that much chuckle out of old Nickamarrow. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.760 And then Finn's like, yeah, easy, you don't have you 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.080 have to move your desk, Like, don't fucking do that. 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.360 And then Munch walks in and he's like, so I'm 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.760 leaving for a few months and you guys are rearranging 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:47.400 the furniture. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:48.240 What's going on? 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.200 And then Craigan's like, oh, looky, here the guy who 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.760 left us for Cold Case. So this was like the 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.600 in between years of Munch where he was like in 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.320 and out or did he leave and come back. I 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.120 tried to look at the dates on IMDb, and I. 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:00.200 Was like, I can't. I don't have time for that. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:00.439 Yeah. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:01.920 I wonder if he was just like, I want to 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:03.880 be in Paris for half the year, so can I 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.920 just like go to a different unit, but I like 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.160 still come back to shoot upisodes here and there. 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.120 I wonder if he works or he's truly munch vibes 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.480 where he's just like, I will never work again, thanks 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.280 for my residuals, and I live cheaply. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.520 I mean, I don't even know if it has to 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.000 be that cheap. These people must make a ton off residuals. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.000 It's playing constantly and their main character. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:23.720 And they have the good deals. 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.000 Yeah, I'm sure the new people don't have, like, yeah, 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:30.080 the amazing deals like everyone else so much has some 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.880 good news though kind of but yeah good there so 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.120 cold case. There was a hit on an unsolved rape 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.520 murder from nineteen eighty seven, the year I was born, 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.400 And he hands the file over to tomorrow and Rollins 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:41.920 is here too. 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.280 It's a full house. I'm obsessed with this episode. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.360 So and then for nineteen eighty seven, Rollins goes, that's 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:48.680 not cold that's frigid. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:53.040 Does that count as a joke, I don't know. For Rollins. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.960 And so then it's Brian Traymore fifty two, and he 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.920 was picked up in Miami on a cocaine pass. They 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.720 took way too long to process the DNA. He's actually 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.040 already served his three months and is being released in 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:10.320 Florida tomorrow. So Craigan's going to start some extradition papers 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.720 and then Benson and Tomorrow book the next flight to Miami, 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.000 and Finn's like, you know, I can go to Miami and. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.080 The CA it's so funny. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.240 He goes cap I really got a feel for the 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.840 scene down there, like it's like, come on, send me. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.160 But he's making him stay with Rollins, his best SIA 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.200 to work. And so now we're in Miami. It's bright baby, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.920 and I wonder if this is where Dexter Morgan worked, 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:34.240 Like I wonder if they hung out. 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.400 I do not think they went on location to Miami. 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.560 I think they went and fat like turned the lights 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.000 on somewhere in Chelsea Peers. 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:41.520 And now that's what this is. 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:43.680 Well, I didn't think they go went to Miami. But 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.360 Dexter Morgan's also not a real. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.640 Man, Oh, I know, but well that's Miami Metro different. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.160 It's a totally that's a totally fake police department than 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:52.880 Miami PD. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.200 Oh so these are so they would not be crossing 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.120 path Yeah, they wouldn't be crossing paths. This was say 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:05.080 guys Simpson's crossover episode. I was like, Kara, I know 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.280 they didn't go to Miami like you fuck no. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.880 I think it's funny that, like to portray Miami, they 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.560 probably just went to one of their own sets and 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.320 turned the lights on because like, it's so fucking dark 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:17.320 everywhere on a CEE. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:18.640 You that's so. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.560 True, and you know, I haven't. I've never seard this 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:23.680 much time on a set like I have on Michelle's show, 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.320 usually in and out in a day, And it is 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.280 cool to see what the lighting does. No wonder you 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.160 have to wait for lighting, like it is incredible what 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.800 they fucking do with these lights. And they talk in 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.680 a language I don't know. They're like five twenty percent 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.359 sparkle over here, bring the paper, and I'm just like, yeah, 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.000 oh my god, it's the afternoon. Like it is really 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.280 really kind of cool. I took a lighting class in college. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.600 My teacher's name was blue, just blue. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.800 And he was like a full hippie man, like so cool, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.640 and he would just it was it was lighting for theaters, 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.000 so not quite television, but all we would do is 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:00.760 walk in the woods and he would be like, do 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:02.600 you see how the light drifts down through that tree? 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.800 Like that's always like I got credit for that. That's great. Class, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.639 it was great. In high school. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.000 I took stage craft and you learned like all of 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:12.639 it and you had to get twenty five hours on 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.320 the crew to get a passing grade. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.159 And it was just everything. And so we had to 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:17.119 do a light presentation. 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.240 You pick three colors and then to a song you 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.560 like light yeah. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.200 Jah wait, you're bringing me back. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.760 I had to do some kind not to a song, 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:26.600 but I had to do a presentation too, where I 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.960 was like I had to set the lighting schematic for 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:30.439 like three scenes or something. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:30.960 Yeah. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:35.359 Well, the song I chose, oh was rock San from 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:40.359 Mulan Rouge. I got the cheating the Tango Tango, so 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.320 it was like Moody and Sexty. 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:46.320 I love that song. I love that fucking song. It 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.080 slaps like that's one of the best songs on Lulan Rouge. 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.879 But in high school, theater. The boy like the student 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.960 who is really into lighting. Him and his girlfriend would 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.240 fuck up on the route like rafters all the time. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.360 Of course, yeah yeah, shout out. 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.199 They also though they were gonna get married, which I 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.000 think is I love high school people that are like, 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:03.879 we're in this forever. 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.720 I just I like that vibe. So Benson's and short sleeves. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.080 Tomorrow's in a polo to prove, hey, we're in Miami, 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.760 and all of a sudden she hates it. She's like, ugh, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.720 I hate it, and Amorro's like the sun, the coffee, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.959 the people, and she goes the heat, the bugs, and 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.040 he's like a Cuban sandwich and she. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.440 Goes, I hated it. And it's like. 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.640 You're always trying to go on vacation, like you love 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.560 the Bahamas. And then he says it, He's like, well, 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.640 you never complain about the Bahamas. And it's like, why 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:34.720 does she hate Miami and not the Bahamas? Is it 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:36.760 that she doesn't love the fucking Bahamas? 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.840 I think also coming to Miami for work, where you 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.400 like have to wear dark jeans and like button up 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.080 like like blouse, maybe that's like more annoying. I kind 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.960 of love that she's just like ride or die New York, 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.160 Like New York is the only cool place to live 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:50.880 to live. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:51.959 No one's making her move there. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:53.680 But it's like they had time for a Cuban sandwich 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.600 and a coffee, like you hated it, Like what are 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:56.560 you talking about? 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.359 I'm just shocked by this. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.840 Like it's kind of like Sex and the City when 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:03.960 Miranda goes out with the guy who hasn't left Manhattan 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.879 in a decade and he's proud of it, and it's like, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.280 you can. I think New York's the best place in 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.360 the world that I've been and I still would love 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.160 to go to Miami. Yeah, which will we We will 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.919 be there. We will be there soon. So a polo 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.639 wearing cop comes in. He's like, what up, guys, we 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.119 got a problem And they're like, wait, Brian Tramer is 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.320 being released today, right, And they're like, yeah, but the 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.240 FBI beat you to the punch and they're so confused. 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.280 We walk over, get me a drum roll. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.240 It's Agent Dana Lewis aka Star aka Marsha gay Harden, 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.320 friend of the podcast, our first Oscar winner on the show, 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.879 a drag Race fan, and we're happy to see her 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.160 here on her third appearance on SVU as the same character. 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.159 I just gave you a moment if you wanted to 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:49.479 say something, but I will compete. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.840 I'm just like, I'm just like still so baffled she 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.280 did our podcast. I'm so excited. It like just makes 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.360 me so happy that she did it, like and off 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:57.120 right off the bat. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:01.160 We were nobody, We were nobody. Yeah we came out 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.240 and us Kate Burry. Yeah we really came out swinging. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.760 So she has a side part gelled lobun and they 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:09.440 high five. 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:10.679 There's some handshake. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.480 Tomorrow asked what the FBI is interested in with this case, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.800 and she acts, she answers that he's actually a prime 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.040 suspect for three other rape murders and that it's a 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.639 cereal Sacramento, Philly, Washington into in New York. Tomorrow fights 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.560 for the case and he's like, these aren't even federal charges. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.720 We want this, and it's like who cares, go swim 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.840 in a pool, have a cocktail, try to fuck Benson, like, 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:37.440 live your life, eat on her wife, so she should. 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.720 She suggests working together on this, and Benson WARN's nick 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.160 she doesn't actually mean it's a question, and then there's 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:48.520 a buzzer and Harold Paranow rolls in. He's in a wheelchair, 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.600 and he's very well known for another wheelchair part, which 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.160 is kind of wild because he's he's a walking man, 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.440 I think, But in OZ, he's in a wheelchair the 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.320 whole time and he's the main narrator of OZ. Like 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.399 he is, Yeah, he's like he does little poem riddle. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.639 So he's in this wheelchair in the glass box in 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:08.479 the middle of like this prison, and he'll be like, 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.960 riddle me this, riddle me that, what not? And like 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:14.639 he'll do a little and then the episode starts and 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.040 then something dramatic will happen and he'll be like, don't 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:18.119 you remember my riddle? 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.600 So yeah, that's like, yeah, what he is in US. 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.320 I know him from many things. He's very prolific, but 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:26.920 I love him from clause. He plays Nisi Nash's brother 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.720 on clause and he's like, I don't know if they 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.720 specifically say if he's like neurodiverse or on the autism 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:34.840 spectrum or what, but that's who he plays. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:36.800 I don't know if that's maybe. 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:38.800 I'm sure people will write and tell me, but like, 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:40.960 I don't know if that's maybe controversial now that you 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.600 would want to have somebody who's actually neurodiverse play that part. 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.880 But he I thought he gave it like he didn't 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:48.960 play it like a cartoon character, and that show is 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.359 so cartoony, Like he played it really real, and I 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.320 really like loved his portrayal. 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.320 I thought he was great good. Yeah, I heard nothing. 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:57.560 I got to watch clause. 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:01.520 Yeah, it's it's off the phone and walls. It's so good. 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.480 So Amaro, Benson and Lewis are all surprised. He's in 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:07.439 a wheelchair and they let him know that, you know, 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.680 we have a warrant for your arrest, and he's obviously 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.520 sad about it, with an emotional rollercoaster. He just wanted 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:13.960 to do a little bit of coke and now he's 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:18.040 caught for like decades old crimes and they fill him 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.880 in that it's rape and murder and it's finally caught 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.560 up to you, and he's super confused and looking at 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.919 the court papers and Lewis grabs the chair and starts 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.520 pushing him off as the credits start to roll. Now 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:30.920 we open back up on a corkboard in the squad room. 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.320 He was paralyzed from the waist down in a bus 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.560 accident in April nineteen eighty eight, three months after his 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:40.040 last suspected attack. Finn asks if we're sure he's guilty 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:41.800 of all five and Danea is like, yeah, it's the 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.400 same pattern. All women rapes tied up, strangled with athletic tape. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.320 He wore latex gloves and stuffed them in the women's mouth. 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.680 He was an assistant equipment manager for the Atlanta Barons 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.159 baseball team between eighty six and eighty eight, and away 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.520 game schedule puts him in every single city at the 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.439 time of these murders. Rollins then asked, it's like how 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.480 they got so lucky with the DNA, since back in 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.240 the day they didn't always collect that stuff. So it's 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.800 much as time to shine and he has all the answers. 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.240 So it came from a cold case in Sacramento, and 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:12.400 then the New York ran the DNA from the rape 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:14.359 kits ten years ago, but there were no hits, and 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:17.680 so Brian got caught up and arrested with this cocaine 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:21.119 charge in Miami, and they assumed like he hasn't been 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.320 committing crimes all this time, just because he's in the chair, 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.000 and he would have been like out there raping if 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:32.000 he could. Teresa Gray is Teresa Gray is a Sacramento victim, 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.960 and Gina Mantos the first New York victim, and then 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.240 Dana Lewis says they're reaching out to other cities to expedite, 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.720 and Craig is like, let's get a confession, and we're 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:43.080 lucky he waved his right to counsel, and Benson wants 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:45.479 in there with Nick, and Craigan's gonna allow dand Lewis 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:48.399 to watch. Rollins gets a ping on her phone and 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:51.040 is like, hold up, we got a break. Is Gina's 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:54.480 former roommate. They found her, So we go to Williamsburg 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.639 Hospital and our girl is a medical professional. Everyone's in 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:02.400 winterwear and Rollins has like expert scarf tying around her neck. 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:05.280 She gives us the goods that her friend Gina was 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:09.000 a slut and she like theirs more than the sport, 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:11.920 but was always at sporting events trying to smash and 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.600 she wanted to meet Michael Jordan and they ask if 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.320 she can help idea suspect and she's like that was 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.720 so long ago, and they're like please, and she's like okay, 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.800 so she gets she goes through the photos on an iPad, 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.040 and when it gets to Harold, she goes, maybe, Okay, 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.440 he looked right past me. I remember him sports bar 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.280 a couple months before the girl was killed. 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:33.840 Like, can I just stop for a second. 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:37.000 I don't remember people I've like had sex with ten 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.480 years ago, let alone a guy that maybe looked past 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:43.119 me at a sports bar fifteen years ago. I mean, like, 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:48.359 maybe I just can't with some of the identifications of people. 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.160 Maybe she thought he was hot and she was pale, 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.159 like she was jealous of Gina. So like, yeah, you know, 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.520 he worked for the team, but like Gina, she was jealous. 0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:58.920 She says it, She's jealous of Gina. 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.560 Guys didn't look at her, only at her friend and 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.159 people paid her oh, and that her parents paid her 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.919 rent and like she was poor. So maybe it was 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.520 like a really traumatic evening at the bar where no 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:10.520 one wanted to fuck her. 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:11.000 I don't know. 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:13.439 So then she walked in and found her and it 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.040 was horrible and all of a sudden or was she happy, 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:16.480 we don't know. 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:20.520 So the photo I guess not. But she learned a 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:21.360 lesson that day. 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:25.040 So the photo of Gina's thrown onto the table in interrogation, 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.479 and they're like, you remember her, Benson says, and he's like, 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:32.320 Gina doesn't ring a bell, but she's cute. And he 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:35.240 says he doesn't remember her any or know anything about her. 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.959 And they let him know that the roommate I d'd him, 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:40.040 and he's like, it was the eighties, sweetheart. 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:41.960 You know how many women I talked to in the eighties. 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.359 And she's like, yep, you treat women like games, lure 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.000 them in, tell them you're some big deal. 0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:48.040 And he's like, I never lied about my job. 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:50.120 And then tomorrow needs to dunk on this guy more 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:52.439 and he's like sure, but they didn't actually want to 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:54.280 hang out with you. They wanted to meet the players, 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.120 not the equipment guy. Oh, and he goes, yeah, I did, 0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.119 all right. It was different back in the day before 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:01.800 the chair. And again Amara was like, oh, yeah, when 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.120 you can walk and fuck, remember those good old days. 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.159 And it's like, leave this guy. I mean, I guess he's. 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:09.679 A rapist murderer, but like they're like bullying him, and 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:11.439 he says, if I were you, i'd remember who I 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.399 was fucking and not since you can't fuck anymore, and 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.480 all you have is memories. And Harold changes his demeanor. 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.520 He's so offended. He's such a good actor, and he says, fine, 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:23.440 I remember meeting her, and they go there's DNA in 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.080 her body and we know you were with her, and 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:26.720 he says, fine, so I went home with her, doesn't 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.240 mean I killed her. Benson leans in and says, Brian, 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.800 let me ask you something. That bus hit you and 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.679 broke your spinal cord and it didn't just cripple you, 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:37.399 it made you impotent. Leave him alone, Like how are 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:41.560 you making me a defend a rapist murderer? Like They're like, 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:43.960 you've had twenty five years to think about that accident. 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.440 You ever think it was karma? 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.520 And he looks at her with disgust, and we cut 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:51.199 to Rollins greeting mister and missus Stanger Stannger, Patty Stanger, 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:54.600 I'll say Stanger, who were called in and hopefully they 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.720 found who killed their daughter. So they show suspect the 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.480 photos of the suspects of the parents, and of course 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:01.200 the dad's like, I don't really know these guys, and 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:02.800 it's like, why would you know random guys that your 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:06.320 daughter fucked, Like that would be weird? And they say, 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.560 Kira wouldn't have gone with a man like that, and 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.560 I'm like, do you mean black? Like this seems kind 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.440 of bad, and Finn and Rollins do a little look 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:15.359 at each other and then asks like, well, was the 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:16.760 daughter a basketball fan? 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.200 And they're like, no, she likes music, hated sports. 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:23.160 We're from Vermont, and he is doing a pretty good 0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:26.960 Vermont accent. I have to say, oh, really, she hated spots, 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.080 Like yeah, it's Vermont's like a weird like a weird 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.720 country Boston accent in a weird way. 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.120 Like, but he is doing a good accent, this guy, 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:36.399 I think. 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.199 And Rollins is like, maybe you didn't know everything she 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:41.680 did for fun and he goes, no, we met Noah, 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.040 her fiance, like two weeks after she met him, Like 0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.320 they were so in love and that's why they knew 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.439 that the cops were wrong about her being killed by 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:49.520 a random man at a bar. 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:50.840 It's just like not her life. 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.719 So she was a kindergarten teacher and Noah was traveling 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.400 on business and she remembers that she called the mom 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:58.399 and was like, I missed my guys so much, Like 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:00.760 we really don't thing this man. 0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.120 You have killed our daughter. So we're back with Harold. 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:04.600 And there's tons more photos on the table and they're 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:08.400 pushing to get a confession, and Benson's pacing like, Sacramento, 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:12.400 February nineteen eighty seven, Teresa your first victim. Then he says, yeah, yeah, 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.320 she screamed when I did her, And Tomarro continues victim 0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.560 to Philly Marley and he says, yes, Washington, Diane, Yeah, 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.040 she just laid there for Gene's. 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.200 Kind of weird too, that, like we just jump into 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:24.720 this scene where he's fully confessing. 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:28.439 Now, yeah, we gotta assume a couple hours two. 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.480 Minutes ago he was like, what do you mean just 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.199 because I had sex with her doesn't mean I killed her? 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.760 And now he's like, yep, did her? Did her? Did her? 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:38.080 Like maybe the bullying about him being impotent helped, Like 0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:43.840 I don't know, so then uh oh, Gina, she was nuts, Yeah, yeah, whatever, Yeah, 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:44.400 I did them all. 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:45.080 What can I say? 0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:46.920 And then they're like number five here in New York 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.840 and he goes, no, I never met her, and they 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:53.560 seem stumped, and Craigan's like, it's been over fifteen hours 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.040 and he won't confess to the fifth and Benson's like, 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.760 what do we have on her? Dana Lewis repeats all 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:02.040 the overlapping elements of the case, and Rollins is in 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.240 the meeting to filling them in on what the parents 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.560 said and how she wouldn't take home a stranger from 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.920 the bar, and then also forensics are negative on prince 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:13.280 blood and fluids. So Lewis is like, okay, we got 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:15.920 the gloves, what do we have have we swiped the 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.840 inside of the gloves, like people, people, Let's get moving. 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.320 We got to find some evidence. So Benson's like, okay, 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:24.760 we'll make another call to a cold case. So Kragan's like, honestly, 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:26.440 it gets lonely there, so why don't you pay them 0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:28.280 a visit and let them know the FBI is breathing 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:28.880 down our necks? 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:30.120 He says, take much. 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.120 They love him over there, and I can't tell if 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:41.080 it's sarcastic or sincere thoughts sarcastic. Okay, so they hate him, 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.560 and we're off to the storage room. It's Rollin's and 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.680 munch and so so many boxes piled super high. It's 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.560 a super mess. And Detective Emily Ling played by Sue Kim, 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.440 is there and she's been in two other episodes of 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:59.200 SBU Video Killed the Radio Star and Manhattan Vigil and 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:01.360 she's walking them through all the boxes and I feel 0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.840 like she seems annoyed, and then the log says there 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.200 should be latex gloves, athletic tape, and fingernail clippings from 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.200 the VIC. She gets the box down. Uh oh, someone 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.240 got there ahead of them ten years ago. They were 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:17.280 checked out by a detective. O'Reilly and there should be 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.560 another box too, And then it pulls back to all 0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:23.120 the boxes and it's like, fuck, like the second box 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:24.920 can be our ticket to the evidence, but there's so 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:25.640 many boxes. 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:26.240 What do we do? 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.959 So now we're back in interrogation and they keep just 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.560 like number five, Kira New York, you did it? And 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.840 he says, no, she's not even my type, red hair, yuck. 0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.520 I didn't do her. And they're like and they're like, 0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:40.640 we can prove it. 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.760 We have your DNA and he says, whatever you say, 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.520 and Amaro goes, no, we need to hear you say it. 0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.440 But like he admitted to the others, why would he 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:50.440 lie like I just say it when they're just so 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.080 onto something. And then I'm like, like, why did you 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:55.960 even need to get him on another account of murder. 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:57.160 You got him on four Like. 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:00.560 I think there's a jowsier for the parent, and I 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.720 think that's all it's like usually about is like closing 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:04.880 the case and like getting the closure for the. 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.160 It's just it's like, just get him on other stuff. 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:10.880 He says, I want to get out of this room, 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:12.680 and Benson's like, that's not going to happen till you 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:15.240 tell the truth, and he yells, I didn't touch this bitch, 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:17.880 and the camera pulls back to reveal Craigan and Lewis 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.640 watching this all go down. He then again yells, I 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.920 hate redheads and that is like, I'm going to ask 0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:25.680 for a lawyer if you keep playing these games. And 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.840 Craigan's like, why is he doing this? Lewis says to Craigan, 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:32.160 Creakan probably knew that she was pregnant. She was two 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:33.720 months along at the time of the crime. It was 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:37.000 left off the autopsy report to save the family, so 0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.800 the FBI knew. How did he know? And she says, oh, 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.200 she probably told him when she was begging for her life. 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.760 She says, Captain, I realize this is New York, but 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:47.560 I know him. 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:48.200 Thank you. 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.920 She says, he lets her in without even saying a word. 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.600 She comes in and introduces herself and tells the detectives, 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.320 your captain said you can take a break and we're 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.560 going to keep talking. He's all yours, agent, Amaro says, 0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.280 and they both walk out. So she walks in. She's like, hey, 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.000 here's your friend. You know you're going back to prison 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:04.680 in that chair. 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:05.400 That sucks. 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:07.920 There are places where you'll be lucky to get out 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.320 of that chair, or lucky to even get a bucket, 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.160 but there are other places that are more enlightened. And 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.200 he's like and then he's like, what do you want 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.680 and she says, I know you killed her. And then 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.520 they're like, no one has to know about that. Just 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:21.600 tell me the truth right now. Everything was going to 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:24.040 be all right. He asks she was pregnant, and she 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:25.840 takes it as fact, like a little word game, like 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.760 see I knew, you knew, And she says, I know 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:30.920 You've had a tough road stuck in that chair, put 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.760 people looking right through you, nobody knowing what you're capable of. 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.160 But I see you, and I saw you back then, 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.560 and it cuts to Benson being pissed that Craigan took 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.160 them out and they're like, we were right there, and 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.400 it's like it has been fifteen hours, so maybe you 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.640 weren't right there, and maybe you should take a break 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:49.320 after fifteen hours, like I don't know how you're still mad, 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:51.680 and Craigan's like, listen, it doesn't hurt to switch it up. 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.400 Amaro asks Live if she's got a second, and she 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.840 scurries off as we hear the voiceover of Lewis saying 0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:58.840 what it was like to be with a real man, 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.400 and it cuts back to them, so she's like, they 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.120 didn't appreciate you, and here you are, and she was 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:05.880 just like, I bet it felt really good to tell 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.720 the truth about those girls, right, Brian, just lift off 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.360 your shoulders and he agrees, and she says it's like 0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:14.440 a pressure pushing down on your head like a brick. 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:15.960 She's like, let it go. 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:17.920 She's like, I think the man who did this is 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:19.600 not the man you are today, but you have to 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.240 own up to it to move on and want you 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:23.560 to have peace, Brian, don't you want that too? 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:25.480 Peace? And he says yes. 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.280 Well, take another look, she says, and see if you 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:32.080 remember her, And she says so pretty, so young, those eyes, 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:33.880 and we see all the photos on the desk and 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.400 the crime scene pics are very vivid and scary, and 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.600 she says, do you remember Harold looks super sad and says, 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:44.760 I remember Amaro's filling Benson in on Rollin's evidence box 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.080 escapades and the detective who checked the boxes out was 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.360 unrelated to the case and doesn't remember anything, and then 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.200 she says, cold case more like lost case. 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:55.720 Okay, Carrie Bradshaw. 0:33:57.880 --> 0:33:59.960 A man walks in and asks to speak to detect 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.600 to Rollins, and he's Noah Bunning and he was Kira's fiance. 0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.880 Her parents called and so he flew in from Seattle quickly, 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.600 and Dana Lewis comes out into the squadroom excited and gloating, 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.520 and the man Noah, goes Dana and he recognizes her 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:18.080 but is also confused. 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:18.600 They hug. 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.520 She tells Noah, I think we finally got him, and 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:26.160 Amarro is suspicious and like him and Benson exchanged glances, 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.880 which leads us to like a little done done moment, 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.080 So we're back to exactly where we were, just back 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.400 in the squadron and Benson doesn't buy the confession and 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:37.200 she's like, wait, he confessed to cure it too, and 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:39.120 she says, yes, I mean you took him to the edge. 0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:40.160 I just flipped him over. 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.919 And Noah's like, I can't believe this, and Dana says, 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:44.640 I know, it's all a shock. I got to get 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.880 my team. I'm gonna call them and I'll fill you 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.279 in later. Craigan says that Nick can do that, and 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.600 she quickly agrees, says of course, and says we'll catch 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:53.040 up later. 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.479 Nick grabs Noah and they walk off. 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.399 Benson and Dana stay to talk and Craigan is gonna 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.799 call the da. Nick then swirls back without Noah to 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.200 be like, that's so weird. You said you didn't know 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.000 the family, and she's like, well the parents, but yeah, 0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.080 but I you know this, Noah, we've actually known each 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.799 other since college and Tomorrow doesn't like that she never 0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.279 mentioned that, and Benson's got her girls back and he's like, 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:17.759 that was twenty five years ago, bro chill out and 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:20.080 she explains that she was a senior, he was a freshman. 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:21.360 They went to Tulane. 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.040 She says that he had a crush on her, but 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.719 that his life was like turned upside down and we 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:28.600 pant to Noah and he's looking at the photos of 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.560 the suspects and he's like, none of these guys mean anything, 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:34.320 and he lasts. When Tomorrow asked if they watched basketball together, 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:41.000 he's like, she's from Vermont, Hello, cross country skiing is life. 0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:43.480 She's not a sportscal So the. 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:45.080 Night of the murder, he was at Duke because he 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.640 was a textbook salesman. He then goes into a little 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.000 monologue like he doesn't think about it every day, but 0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.080 since you know, he's gotten married. Since then, he's gotten 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.279 the kid he got divorced, but not a month goes 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.120 by that something doesn't remind him of Kira. He gets 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.400 up and he's being fled with memories and thoughts, and 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:03.680 he shares that her parents never bought what the cops 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.880 were selling about her bringing some random guy home. And 0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:08.960 he's like, there must have been drugging or a break 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:12.200 in or something and mentions Dana and Tomorrow is like, 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:16.040 agent lewis this guy called her when it happened And 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.279 he's like, so you stayed in touch after college and 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:22.759 he reveals that they dated on and off. Amara responds 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.279 with an oh. He asks if they talked a lot 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:27.720 about the case and he said, we didn't do much talking, 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:31.960 you know what I mean, And we do. If Kira 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:35.600 being pregnant was planned, no, he chuckles. In fact, he 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:37.839 freaked out at first, but then realized it was meant 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:40.279 to be, so he stops seeing Dana and says that 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:44.279 he always knew Dana wasn't the one. Amorro runs to 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.960 Daddy Craigan to spill the beans. He asks if he 0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:50.080 heard Brian do the confession, and Craigan did not catch 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.319 the end of the confession. Tomorrow starts spiraling and it's 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.600 like it doesn't match up, Boss, and Benson walks in 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.120 behind into the office. 0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:58.439 She says, Nick, we're good. 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.839 Dana gave me the blow by blow, and He's like, well, 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:02.920 did she tell you that she dated Noah on and 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.719 off after college? And Benson's like, I mean, she's a 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:09.160 real private person. Amar was like, if she talked cases 0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:11.279 with him, he could have known the mo O and 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.680 did it, and Benson's like, his alibi checked out, but 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:14.960 I guess we can double check it. 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:16.560 So they're gonna double check. 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.479 So then they're like, why don't we find the og 0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.200 detective to the case and ask some more questions to 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.160 him and so then they ask, so when Lewis broke 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.920 into the interrogation, was that your idea or his? And 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.640 it was hers and she was obsessed with Brian and 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.680 Benson's like, if you think Noah's punk, asked Trickter, there's 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.440 not a chance, and they're like, well, maybe she's protecting 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.759 this dork. They did day and Finn and Rollins go 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.520 talk to the detective from that night. His name's Jerome 0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:44.279 Howard and he's played by Roscoe Orman, who was on 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:48.560 Sesame Street for four hundred and twenty two episodes as 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:49.560 Gordon Wild. 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:55.480 Yeah why a legend, children's developmental legend. 0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:59.680 And he has a fun pattern sweater on that I'm 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:03.280 upset with. And he says that she was a genuine victim, 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:07.279 and I do hate that phrasing, but he said not 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.400 a drop of liquor in the house, and it's like, 0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.360 so if you have a bottle of vodka in the freezer, 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:15.200 you're not a real victim. It's like, yeah, I hate 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:21.680 police culture. But Kira was a teacher. The fiance's airtight 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:25.640 alibi there like it was receipts, airplane tickets, phone records, 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:27.920 and after interviewing him, there was like no way. 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:29.600 His heart was super broken. 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.479 Rollins is like, was the FBI there, and he's like, ugh, yeah, 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.400 they had some young girl profiler and she acts like 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.960 it was her crime scene and there and that we 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.520 were just the hired help. And Finn asks if she 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.920 had mentioned she knew the fiance and he says, nope, 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:47.200 she was all business. You know what I'm thinking about, 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.440 Like the FBI is always like, oh the fuck the FBI. 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:52.320 Won't they work together? But I'm sure the FBI thinks 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.279 that the police are stupid, like we all think the 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:58.520 police are stupid, Like it totally makes sense. Like I've 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.400 been so mad at the FBI territorial and stuff, but 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:02.640 it's like, yeah, they don't respect you. 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:05.239 Yeah, because i mean, like if you look at the 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.080 hierarchy of it, it's like anything else. The FBI is 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:09.960 supposed to be like the best of the best, like 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:11.719 the people that go there, so they look down on 0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:13.440 people like that are lower than them. 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:15.319 But also I do think. 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.239 It's weird that you can't do drugs because remember we 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:22.120 met that couple in Nashville where he worked as a 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:23.560 police officer like. 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.120 Someone's husband, but he wanted to be in the FBI. 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:26.200 And they try to recruit him. 0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:27.920 But when they asked if you did drugs, he's like 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.080 I tried weed once and you're done, Like you can't 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:31.480 do it. 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:32.920 Yes, it's so crazy. 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:34.560 Oh did I ever tell you that one time my 0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.680 friend got a job at the FBI, Like, not as 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:40.000 an agent. I think it was something else and I 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.680 was his interview reference. 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:44.600 Like an FBI agent came to my work. 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:46.799 We went out to a like a coffee place, and 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:48.399 they asked me all these questions about him. 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.000 It was cool. Did you tell the truth? 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.160 Yeah, he was a good guy, Like there was nothing 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:56.359 I wasn't like you know. 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.440 But I just don't understand why you can't be a 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:00.920 stoner in the FBI. 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:02.520 I don't get it. 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.520 I don't think you could have while it's illegal, you 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.279 can't habitually be a marijuana user. What if you were 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:12.759 like overlooking cases with cartels and marijuana. Yeah, but once 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:16.080 I tried it one time in college? Is crazy? 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:18.839 Yeah, Like because you don't want to because then if 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.880 do you think they like they could figure out and 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.520 like that's why you can't lie like I would. 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.719 Just I thought that I heard something a few years 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:28.640 ago that they were changing that kind of thing, but 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.560 maybe I'm wrong. All right, they were changing like the 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.440 whole I've tried it once. Thing like, obviously, if they 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.759 test you and you've smoked like within the time of 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.640 the test, maybe they can kick you out because they 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:43.440 think you're like an habitual user. But I don't know. Yeah, 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:45.440 I mean whatever. In ten years it's all going to 0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:45.880 be legal. 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:52.600 Go well, hopefully, yeah, no abortion, but we could be high. 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.160 Finn asks if she had mentioned she knew the fiance, 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.239 and he says no, but she was all business. So 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.120 then we cut back the precinct and we're in the 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.200 bunk bedroom and Tomorrow is helping Brian into the bed 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.640 from his chair, and he's kind of pissed. He goes, 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:08.040 that was way too long for me to be in 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.920 the chair. It's like, not cool. But he's not tired, 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.239 he says, And Tomorrow asks, why you got something on 0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:16.400 your mind? So Marrowster's playing a little game to get info, 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.040 and he says, usually once people confess, it's easy to 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.839 fall asleep at night. So then he starts talking about 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:25.080 Kira and says, is it true? Was she pregnant? So 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:29.480 then Harold Parano little Brian. He goes, well, that's weird. 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.000 If she was pregnant, why was she drinking in the bar? 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:34.520 That's a good question. 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.600 Yeah. So he's like, riddle me. 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.440 This the only sex life I've had in twenty five 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.520 years is all up here and he points to his head. 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.560 The other four girls, I remember every single detail. I 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:48.600 replay it all the time. This last girl, it's like 0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:51.120 the tape gott E Race. And we cut to Benson 0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:53.080 and Lewis at the bar and she asks, Dana is 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.520 the reason you stayed on the case for Noah and 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.319 she admits partly. And she's like, so he called you 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.280 after the murder and Dana confirmed and she says yes. 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:04.480 And then I had to accuse myself because the bureau 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.400 are real sticklers about that, and Benson's like, when was 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.440 the last time you chatted with him before the murder? 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.680 And she doesn't remember him. And then Benson gets a 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.640 phone call and then says bad news. Brian's recanting on 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.040 just the last one. He's claiming corsion and tomorrow is 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.120 now with Benson at the office being like, look, he's 0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:22.439 not good for this, I know it. Benson is sick 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.600 of this shit. Nick, listen to me. Dana is not involved. 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.680 She says she's a dedicated officer, just like I am. 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.480 At that moment, Dana Lewis walks up, being like, why 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:35.200 is Brian taking so long? So Nick says, I'll check 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:38.040 on him in the bathroom. So Amarro goes to check 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.160 on Brian in the bathroom and Benson and Lewis are like, 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.759 let's close this shit out. So Benson and Lewis are 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.560 waiting in the interrogation room for him when Craigan walks 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:49.200 in and goes, sorry, guys, Brian had an accident, so 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.600 they're changing his clothes. Dana's like, ugh, he's stalling and 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:54.799 if you guys were taping my interview, he'd be an 0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:55.800 arrayment right now. 0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:58.160 So Craigan leaves and says, we'll get you a camera. 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.520 Amorrow approaches Craigan to watch from the window and says, okay, 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:03.920 Brian's in the crashroom and everyone's. 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:05.799 Informed not to go in there. Good good. 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:08.400 We cut to Tomorrow setting up a video camera in 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.880 the room and they're like, listen, Brian's having a lot 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.520 of stomach issues. Unis are cleaning him up. We got 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:16.680 to just you know, that's it is what it is. 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.359 So Dana as I love how the excuse is just 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.840 like diarrhea. We'll be on it soon, but it's just 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:26.879 right now a lot of diarrhea. 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:28.279 Uh. 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.759 Dana asked him, since he's been spending the most time 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:32.840 with him, what's his vibe, and it's the same shit, 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.360 like he's sad and feels bad, but not the last one. 0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:38.200 She thought about that there's no seman found at the scene. 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:40.520 Maybe he failed to perform and doesn't want to admit it. 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.160 He also says that he seems really upset that she 0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:46.359 was pregnant and at a bar, so the videos up 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:48.400 to Morrow. Says he was like setting it up and 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.920 he's like, I'll go check on Brian. So now just 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.040 Benson and Dana Lewis in the room, the camera is 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.759 set up and Benson's like yeah. Her parents also said 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.879 there was no way that Kara would take a stranger home. 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.000 Did Kira go to school with you and Noah? 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.799 And Dana responds that knows since he was younger than 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.480 her and she was even younger than him, But then 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.600 you were still in contact with Noah like me when 0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.160 he met Kira, Like, are you sure you guys never 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:13.480 met or knew each other? And She's like, I don't remember, 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.759 it was so long ago, and then she asks if 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.120 she ever met Kira and she's like, honey, I can't remember, 0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.799 like maybe at a party. And Craigan and Tomorrow are 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.120 watching the footage of this on the laptop and Rollins 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:24.840 and Finn come to watch the show and fill the 0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:26.960 captain in what the og detective. 0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:28.680 Told him about Noah not being good for this. 0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:30.880 So then Rollins goes but we did find out that 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.920 Lewis was on the crime scene, and Amarro informs us 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:36.319 that she told Benson she was down in Georgia at 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:41.520 the time, So lies, lies, lies. Craigan plays sneaky games. 0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.759 He enters interrogation, is like, hey, Finn and Rollins are back, 0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.680 just filling you guys in, and oh, Dana Lewis, the 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:51.040 detective from the case, mister Sesame Street sends his best. 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.560 Benson makes a face. I thought you said you were 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.040 you had to recuse yourself. She's like, I kept my 0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.240 eye on it, and also, why are you even talking 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:02.080 to this detective? He's probably senile by now. And then 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.719 to me, I'm also like, Craigan might be the same age, babe, Like, 0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.720 I don't think you should do that, because that happened 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.359 to me once. I was sitting somewhere and I was like, well, 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.680 you know, I have old parents, and then a woman goes, well, 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:13.200 how old are they? And then I'm like, oh, this 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:18.000 bitch is as old as my parents, Like, so I 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:19.840 you know, that's like a fun little game that I 0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.600 can relate to. And she starts losing it a little, 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:24.680 like Noah's not good for it, and where the fuck 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:27.520 is Brian and Craigan's like, ugh, I'm just as annoyed 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:29.719 as you are, but he's covered in shit, so why 0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:33.960 don't you give him a second? And Benson is starting 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.520 to look pissed, and Lewis thinks and realizes what's going 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:40.280 on and is like, huh are you looking into Noah? 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:41.359 And you didn't fill me in? 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:43.960 And Benson's like, come on, you had a blind spot 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:45.799 for him, And she's like why because I dated him 0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.439 in college and Benson says, well, Noah says it's much 0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.400 more than that. So Harden says, well, it wasn't to me, 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.399 it wasn't that serious. I didn't take it seriously at all, 0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.120 and Benson is cold hearted and says even though he 0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:59.960 ended it after meeting her, and she's like, I was 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:03.160 that Quantico. I'm consumed with my career, not obsessed with 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.640 some old boyfriend. And Benson trips her up boyfriend, So, 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:08.640 so you did just call him a boyfriend? 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:09.160 I see? 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.319 And she says, what's going on here? If I didn't 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:14.320 know better, I would say this was an investigation? And Benson, 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:17.800 without skipping a beat, asks should I mirandize you. Louis 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:20.239 sits down cocky and says, you got something to ask me? 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:20.759 Ask me. 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.560 Benson leans over and says, talk to me, Dana, how 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.200 did we end up here? So Louis responds, like, where 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.520 do you think we are? And Benson goes, Brian's not 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.400 good for this. And then it's like, Noah has an 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:34.560 airtight alibi as well. And if you're like me, like 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.840 we both are working in this industry, you profile killers 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.440 and suddenly you're hiding personal ties with the deceased, like 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.200 you can see that. I'm questioning what's going on here? 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:48.360 And she says I was in Georgia undercover and I 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:51.640 cannot prove it. So Benson laughs and I'm kind of 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.719 laughing too, and Louis says, Honey, I'm not good for 0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:57.760 this run touch DNA and those gloves and you'll see. 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.520 So we cut to Munch surrounded by box and Craigan 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.120 over the phone being like, come on, bitch, find those gloves, 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:06.640 and he's like, yeah, okay, okay, I'm trying it. So yeah, 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:08.400 there's just like so many boxes, and I'm like, I 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:10.440 wish Craigan could just see how many boxes there are, 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:12.279 Like I want to know where they filmed it. Is 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:14.480 it a real place they have to buy all those boxes? 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:16.319 I bet it's relocation. 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.880 I bet it's at least a storage facility of some kind, 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:21.799 because like to buy all those I mean it was 0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:25.799 like roof to ceiling, like fifty foot ceilings. 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:27.239 So many boxes. Would love to know where they filmed 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.600 the box scenes. Next time we talked to Neil Barr, 0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:32.440 let's get this one on. Well, this is power him, 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:34.759 but if we get warn light, we'll ask him. So 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:38.000 then Craigan hangs up and goes Finn go to the boxes, 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:41.920 and Finn's pissed. He's so sad, so he walks off 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:43.799 while Robin's and tomorrow He's like, he can't go to 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:45.560 Miami and now we have to go to the box room. 0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:47.120 He's like now I gotta go hang out with Munch. 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:48.719 He's gonna try to convince me to buy a bar 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:50.000 with him again, like fuck. 0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:53.080 So when Finn leaves sad, then Rollins and Tomorrow are 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:55.920 still in Craigan's office when Rollins suggests following through with 0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:58.640 the latex gloves and using that since she mentioned them. 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.760 So Rollins comes in and whispers to Benson, and Lewis 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.200 laughs like, bitch, stop whispering, Just tell me what the 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:06.799 break in the case is. Rollins comes in and says, 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.600 you have you have a problem here. The forensic evidence 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.000 you talked about is gone. But you know that, don't you? 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.080 And then Lewis laughs, laughs and asks if everyone here 0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:18.319 is this paranoid, and Rollins continues, we caught a break though. 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.560 The detective who checked out the evidence didn't realize that 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.160 there were two boxes and he only took one. So 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.680 Dana Lewis, yay, we found a box. How exciting. And 0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:29.879 then Dana's like, yeah, way to go good, Like she's 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.960 acting so pumped that the boxes are found. She's incredible. 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:35.600 She's thinking on her toes and she is Star. Do 0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:37.000 you remember Star's last name? 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:39.840 Now I just want to say Star Jones, but no, 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:41.640 I don't star either. 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.239 So because she she pled the fifth like on the 0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:47.600 It's so funny when I hear plead the fifth, I 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:49.880 think about Bravo and Andy Cohen more than I think 0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:55.800 about the court of law. So Star Morrison, Star Morrison, 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.279 Star Morrison, thank you for looking that up. So then 0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:01.239 it's like, so you check the gloves he stuffed in 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.840 her mouth and Rollins says, no, they weren't in the box. 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:06.839 But you know what was Kira's fingernail clippings and there 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.080 was blood on them. Benson says, we're going to run 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.920 the DNA, and Lewis asks, you are well, I mean 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.520 my DNA might be there, Okay, you're guilty. Like what 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.080 So she says her DNA might be there because I 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:18.840 was at the crime scene and the morgue and cross 0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:22.160 contamination is the bane of forensics across the country. 0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:23.799 But it's like, you gave yourself up. 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:27.440 This is like this is an FBI like mistake, Like 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:29.560 you would you could have admit that later like once 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:31.359 they find out, you be like, wait, what what are 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:33.960 you talking about? But so like yeah, preempt that your 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:36.840 shit's gonna be there. That's like a guilty person, and 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:39.080 then she goes and all of these bluffs, you guys, 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.400 I wrote the book on them there. The problem is 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:44.120 they don't work on someone who isn't guilty. Noah comes 0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:46.560 to talk tomorrow, and he doesn't get why he's back there, 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:49.120 but he's willing to help. Somorrow goes, you told me 0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.200 that Dana wasn't the one. Did you tell her that? 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:53.560 Did Dana know you felt that way? And he says, 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:56.440 I don't know. I mean, yes, yeah, I'm sure she did. Like, 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:58.720 there wasn't really a breakup. I was traveling a lot. 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.400 So mars like, oh, so you just like faded away 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.600 and she had feelings for you. Did she ever talk 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.759 about wanting more, getting married, starting a family? And he responds, yeah, 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:11.359 I told her I wasn't ready. Amarro pushes, so how 0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:13.720 long after did you tell her you were gonna marry Kira? 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:15.360 A few months? 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.320 And when he told her, she lost it and wouldn't 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:22.600 stop shaking, And finally he gets it. He asks, so 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:25.440 you're telling me it wasn't a stranger And he's like, 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:27.360 so it was more than just to break it, and 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:29.680 wasn't it. So we cut back to Lewis and Benson, 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:32.480 and Benson's playing her like, I'm sure there was a 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.839 super good reason for anything that you had to do, 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:37.719 and she's like, you've used every tool here, and if 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:39.880 I've had anything to confess, I would just do it 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.880 so you felt better about yourself. Amaro runs into the 0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:45.560 room and Lewis is like, oh wow, Cavalry is here 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.759 to help you. And Amaro's like, we have everything, but 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:51.560 we don't have motive, and she's playing like she's excited 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:54.520 to hear what the motive is. And he starts like, well, 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:56.360 I knew you were upset when Noah told you he 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:58.720 was engaged to Kira, you know, in that Mara hotel 0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.520 room after you let him fuck. And she laughs and 0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:05.640 is like, ouch, playing hardball, Okay, you think I'm jealous 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:09.560 of some kindergarten teacher, a small life in a small world. 0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:11.719 And she asks them if they really think she would 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:16.560 sacrifice her career and life for that speck, and Amarro's like, speck, really, 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:19.719 you know, everyone still talks about how beautiful she was 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.480 and how young, and she stole your future and she 0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:25.320 quickly says my future was at the Bureau, and Amara 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:27.279 with the bomb says, well, that's not what you told 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:30.880 Noah when he got you pregnant. She slams her paper 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:33.200 cup coffee on the table and stares up at him. 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:35.600 That was private and he had no right to tell you. 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:38.080 But he continues to talk like that, and he's like, 0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:40.440 he told you he didn't want a family, and then 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:43.280 you had an abortion, and she's like, that was my idea, 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:47.279 Like she didn't want to do the abortion, and Benson adds, oh, 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:50.080 so Noah asked you to, and she pretends like she 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:52.400 doesn't remember, but you just said it wasn't your idea, 0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:55.560 so like you know who strapped you down, bitch. So 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.160 then Benson's like, this is something that affected you. And 0:51:58.200 --> 0:52:00.359 She's like, I'll get over it. I get over all 0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:02.319 the time. I've been raped, I've been shot, I'm chill. 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.440 And Tomorrow's like, but you've been you were seeing him 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.799 for like six or seven years. You loved him and 0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:11.040 she said not after he lied to me, And Benson asks, well, 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:13.400 then when did he tell you about Kira, And again 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.759 she claims not to remember, but Tomorrow knows and it 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:19.120 was two months if that, and Leuis glares at him 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:22.080 and Benson plays the empathy game. Like, damn girl, that stinks, 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.880 No wonder you blocked it out. Her betrayal, asks you 0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.160 to get an abortion and then leaves you for her, 0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:31.080 and Tomorrow asks how she found out that she was pregnant, 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.040 and she says, Noah told her, and Tomorrow goes, no, 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:35.600 he told me, he didn't. She then guesses that it 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:38.320 must have been one of the detectives or Kira. 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.319 Benson says, and it was you. It's like what you 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:42.040 told the captain. 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:45.000 How Brian found out that she was pregnant while she 0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.640 was begging for her life And she shakes her head no, 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:50.759 and Benson's like, that was fucking you in that room, 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:52.880 killing or as she begged for her life and the 0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:57.759 life of her unborn child. And that's from Chicago. Do 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.600 you remember that? Like Renee on the stand, I thought 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:04.840 you would. I thought that would penetrate. And Amaro was like, 0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:07.480 is that how you found out? A week after the 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:11.120 motel dumping Kira was murdered And She's like, I could never. 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:12.839 She says, I'm just like you. 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:15.719 I've dedicated my entire life to justice and doing good 0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:18.719 in the world, you know me? And Benson responds, I do, 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:21.120 And She's one of the best Nick, but she can't 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:24.520 help wondering if all that sacrifice is to make amends 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.239 and make up for that one mistake. And she's like, 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:30.520 please don't say that, Olivia, please, and Benson continues on, 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.319 no wonder you spent so much time undercover because you 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.600 were running away from your self, Dana, from what you've 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:38.000 had done. It must have been so hard to keep 0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.759 that horrible secret locked up inside you. It's time now 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:43.400 you gotta let it go. And she's like, I know you. 0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:45.560 You did not plan on doing this, and she's starting 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:48.600 to cry. Her hand is on her chest. So she 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.040 explains how she went over to Kira's house to talk 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:52.960 to her and she just wanted to tell her like 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.200 he doesn't love you more than he loves me. 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:56.480 He's using both of us. 0:53:56.840 --> 0:53:59.239 And then she said she felt sorry for Lewis, Like 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:00.960 you can't tell someone and you feel sorry for them 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:02.680 when they're at the end of their rope, they will 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:06.520 kill you. Like not to blame the victim, but like 0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:08.440 that is a rude thing that like I feel really 0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:11.640 sorry for you. That's gonna get someone to pop off, Like, yeah, 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:16.040 that's that's not a chill statement to say, so she 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:18.200 said she felt sorry for Louis, but they were meant 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:21.960 to be together. And then Kira confessed to Dana that 0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:26.520 she was pregnant, and that once she told Noah that 0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:28.319 she was pregnant, he got down on his knees and 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:31.640 asked her to marry him, and he looked so happy, 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.560 and she clenches her fists, and so that's how she 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:37.279 found out. She doesn't even know what happened. Next, there 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.920 was a body and she looked so pretty but so 0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:42.000 much blood, and I like that she looked hot even 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:46.640 after murder, and she she she remembers looking at her 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:49.200 being like, ugh, I bet nothing has ever gone wrong 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:53.319 in her whole life and that sucks. And Amara was like, 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:55.880 but she was gone, and you needed to protect yourself, 0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:58.319 so you stage the crime scene. She's like, I guess 0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:00.400 I did. I don't really remember. I was so familiar 0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:05.160 with Brian's like patterns. I was on autopilot. I'm sorry, Olivia, 0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:08.280 I'm sorry, and Benson whispers, I know. And then Craigan 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:10.439 opens the door to arrests Dana Lewis for the murder 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.360 of Kira's danger, and she wipes away her tears and 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.120 snop from her nose and says, I understand it's time 0:55:16.239 --> 0:55:19.280 twenty five years And she gets up slowly and says, okay, 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:22.520 I understand, Amaro cup start. She gets walked away and 0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:26.640 Benson is pissed, and it ends on Benson's pissed off face. 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:29.840 Yeah, because Benson was like, this is another one of me. 0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:32.080 This is like someone like me who's given it all 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:35.000 up for the job and like does and has like 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:35.920 a pure heart. 0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:38.760 And then it's like, nah, you're the only good person. 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:40.880 Well yeah, because that happened to her season nine with 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:43.960 Signature as well with Erica Christiansen, and like she that 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:46.239 really touched her too, because it's like, oh, we're like 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.960 we're girl cops doing it for ourselves. And then it's 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:53.120 like she ended up being a looney tune too. I also, 0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:55.680 like I wonder if Dana Lewis in this moment felt 0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.960 the like relief of a confession that she was telling Brian. 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:01.600 Usually people feel after the yeahs, like yeah. 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:03.560 I feel like that was like a foreshadowing about the 0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:05.200 brick and like the weight that. 0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:06.920 Well, No, I was also gonna say that she's married 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.000 his kids, like it sucks. 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:12.720 Yeah, don't you also think it's weird that they didn't 0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:15.160 cast like just a smidge of a hotter guy to 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:19.399 play Noah, Like he's such a dork and he had 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:23.719 this badass f like pre FBI woman and then he 0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:26.359 has this beautiful kindergarten. I'm like, let's get a little 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:28.440 bit of a hotter guy. I'm just being lucist right 0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:30.320 now because I thought Noah was kind of schlubby. 0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:32.719 But maybe Noah was hotter in his twenties. 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:36.000 Sure well, let me get into the real case, because 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:38.200 it's it's a wild one and I. 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:42.640 Don't do you remember? Do you remember hot or Not? Yeah? 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:43.359 I do. 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:48.480 Maybe we should play that with Noah on our Instagram hot. 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:53.200 Or Not and we'll just humiliate the actor. Listen, do 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:54.440 you know anything about this case? 0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:55.480 No? 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.920 Except yes, because people keep writing us obsessed and they 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.880 want ok and more, and you've been dying to do 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:07.919 this crime forever. So I've heard rumblings, but I'm ready 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:08.680 to be educated. 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:26.480 Okay, we will be right back after these messages. We 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:29.680 are back, and let me take this from the very 0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:32.200 tippy top. This is a crime that takes place in 0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:35.160 the LA area, which I honestly completely forgot that this happened. 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:36.800 Like so close to like where I live. 0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:41.600 So John Rutten was a student at UCLA majoring in 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:44.800 mechanical engineering from seventy eight to eighty two. He had 0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:48.520 dated a fellow student there named Stephanie Lazarus. One source 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:50.160 I read and said she was a poly sci major. 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:54.000 Another says sociology. Either way, she's from Seami Valley, which 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:57.120 is about forty minutes Outsiday useless. 0:57:57.320 --> 0:58:00.520 Yes, majors, you know it doesn't matter, interchangeable and this 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.640 is coming from a sociology major, but like this isn't real, 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:04.480 it doesn't matter. 0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:08.200 Yeah, So she's from seem Valley and that's like a 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:12.280 that's like a cop town. That's like I remember see 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:15.160 Me Valley from the OJ stuff, like one of the 0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:17.240 cops that took the gloves like brought it home to 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:19.320 his house in seem Valley and then brought it in 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:23.120 the next day to like the police. And so I 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:25.880 always associate seem Me Valley with a my friend's wedding 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:28.120 I went to there, and b it's a cop town. 0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.160 So that's where she grew up and lived later in 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:35.200 life as well. So her and Stephanie and John were 0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:37.800 both big sports people and an article I read said 0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:40.800 she played JV basketball at UCLA, and I just did 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:42.960 not know colleges had JV teams. I thought by the 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.120 time you were in college, it was like varsity or nothing. 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:49.600 But I guess there was JB and much for mural. Yeah, intramural. 0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:52.560 I played intramural softball where I like smoked cigarettes while 0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:56.720 I played, Like trust me, like I know, I know 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:58.080 the intermural scene. 0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:00.640 I wish I knew you and your cigarette years, Like 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:04.520 it's just so funny that you'd be ripping cigarettes. 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:07.480 Like Liza, I was a heavy smoker, Like I smoked 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:09.320 all the time, Like it was never too early for 0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:11.160 me to smoke. I'd be like eight am on the 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:13.000 way to a meeting. I'm smoking, like I was a 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:18.440 fucking smoker, much like in the episode Stephanie and John 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:21.600 loved to fuck, like their relationship was like mostly hooking up. 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:23.800 Says fucking it sounds like yeah. 0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:27.080 So allegedly Stephanie would like steal his clothes when he 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:29.480 showered and like take pictures, like take naked pictures of 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:31.720 him sleeping, which she was very horny for him. And 0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:34.560 then John thought the relationship was mostly about that, just 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:37.400 like physical stuff. But then this one article I was 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:39.400 reading said that they didn't actually even have sex until 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:41.200 after they graduated in nineteen eighty two. 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:43.560 Before that, it was just a lot of like hooking up. 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:46.600 But then they went on to have sex around twenty 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:49.120 to thirty times between eighty one and eighty four, so 0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:51.760 they were like on and off again fuck buddies and 0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:54.080 he was not into labels and says that she was 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:57.560 never his girlfriend. Okay, In the summer of nineteen eighty four, 0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:02.440 he meets Sherry Rass And I think this case always 1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:04.680 confused me too, because there was a recent case of 1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:09.320 Sherry Peppini, who's the woman who staged her own kidnapping. You remember, 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:11.600 she was like jogging and she like left her earbuds 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:13.600 and then like came back all beaten up. But people 1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:17.640 were like, it seems like you did this yourself, did you? Okay, 1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:18.919 a wild case. 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:20.360 I hope there's an spe based on it. 1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:20.680 Yeah. 1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:24.200 Anyway, there's something I love about staging your own disappearance. 1:00:24.320 --> 1:00:25.280 I really love. 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:27.240 That it was like a wild gone like the real 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:30.080 life Gone girls what everybody was like calling it. But anyway, 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:33.720 different Sherry's this is Sherry Rosmussen and Vanity Fair calls 1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:37.080 her quote a tall Scandinavian beauty with light brown hair, 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:40.400 a broad face with high cheekbones, and wide set eyes 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.840 under dark arching eyebrows. Okay, Vanity Fair wants to fuck her. 1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:47.120 And they both liked to run. Both John and Sherry 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.120 liked to run. They're both everybody in the story is 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:51.000 in great shape. They just keep talking about how hot 1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:54.040 everyone's bods are. And both of them had careers that 1:00:54.080 --> 1:00:56.200 were kind of like taking off. He had just graduated 1:00:56.240 --> 1:00:59.080 and was like doing engineering shit. She was in critical 1:00:59.080 --> 1:01:01.440 care nursing kind of like a wonder kind like she 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:05.080 was like started college at sixteen, and at twenty seven 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:08.160 she was already the director of nursing at Glendale Adventist 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:12.000 Medical Center, which is I frequent. It been many times. 1:01:12.040 --> 1:01:14.040 My kids have doctors there. I have doctors there. I 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:16.880 go there all the time. John and Sherry immediately fell 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:18.960 in love and they got engaged, like it was kind 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:21.200 of a whirlwind romance, Like I think they met the 1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:23.720 summer of eighty four and they were engaged by like 1:01:23.720 --> 1:01:27.640 the fall of eighty five. And John testified later that 1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:30.320 he never told Stephanie about starting to date Sherry because 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:32.880 he hadn't seen her in months, and in September of 1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:36.560 nineteen eighty four, Stephanie threw John a surprise birthday party 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:39.760 for his twenty fifth birthday, completely unaware that he was 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:42.280 in a serious relationship with Sherry, like did not know, 1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:47.120 so you know, after Stephanie did find out, she made 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:49.440 John come over to her place, where she like professed 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:51.880 her love to him through tears like it's they take 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:54.400 a lot in this episode from the real story. She 1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:56.720 also asked to fuck him, which of course he did 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:59.360 because he is a man, and later he said that 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:01.560 was a stupid move, but it didn't change anything about 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:04.760 his relationship and his feelings for Sherry. So he also 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:08.080 said he confessed that he fucked Stephanie to Sherry and said, 1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:10.080 don't let this mess us up. I want nothing more 1:02:10.080 --> 1:02:12.080 in the world than to be married to you. So 1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:15.160 Cherry knew about this like indiscretion, and I guess at 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:18.360 that point they'd only been dating for three months. 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:19.040 But still he cheated. 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:22.080 He also said about Stephanie, it was clear she was 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:24.240 very upset that I was getting married and moving on, 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:27.920 like after she found out about the engagement. And it 1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:31.720 turns out that the night of their the night that 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:36.080 they had their like closure sex, she had a male 1:02:36.160 --> 1:02:38.880 roommate who was another cop, and that she came home 1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:40.480 and was like, John broke up with me, and then 1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:43.040 they did buddy sit ups together to make themselves to 1:02:43.040 --> 1:02:46.640 make her feel better, Like they just did like damnedem 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:49.600 sit ups. Like imagine if that was how you got 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:51.960 yourself to feel better. Wow, the shape I would be 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:56.280 in anyway. Stephanie also knew John's entire family and even 1:02:56.280 --> 1:02:59.480 wrote his mom a letter that said, quote, I'm truly 1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:01.600 in love with John and the past year has really 1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:03.240 torn me up. I wish it didn't end the way 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:05.120 it did, and I don't think I'll ever understand his 1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:09.040 decision end quote, and John later testified, I always made 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:11.000 it clear that we were just friends and this wasn't 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:14.360 going towards marriage end quote. But it's like people hate labels, 1:03:14.360 --> 1:03:16.400 but maybe this is why we need labels, because like 1:03:16.760 --> 1:03:19.080 she fully thought this was her on again, off again boyfriend, 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:20.560 and he was like, I thought we were fuck buddies. 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:21.200 What's going on? 1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:25.320 So anyway, some people thought that Stephanie was kind of 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:28.720 trying to insert herself into John and Sherry's relationships. 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:30.400 A little bit like third wheel style, Like, there. 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:32.400 Was this incident that's written up in a couple places 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:35.360 where Stephanie brought her water skis over to John and 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:37.800 Sherry's apartment so that John could wax them for her. 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:41.120 And Stephanie was looking all hot in workout clothes when 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:43.960 she did it. So John agreed to wax the skis, 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:46.440 and Scherry got pissed at him, rightfully, and was like, 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:49.000 what's going on, Like why is she stopping by her 1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:51.440 for you to do shit for her? And he insisted like, 1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:54.400 don't worry, like we're totally done, so this is not 1:03:54.880 --> 1:03:57.040 this is not anything, like I'm just doing her this favor, 1:03:57.120 --> 1:03:59.240 like you have nothing to worry about. And then Stephanie 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:02.200 came by days later to get the skis and John 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:05.400 was not there, and she was in her uniform and armed, 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:09.160 which like could be perceived as trying to intimidate this 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:13.000 like new girlfriend, right, So Sherry like was begging John 1:04:13.040 --> 1:04:17.160 to tell Stephanie to stop coming by, and Sherry was 1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:20.800 like confessing a lot of stuff to her father, Like 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:25.200 according to Sherry's father, Nell's, Stephanie at one point visited 1:04:25.240 --> 1:04:29.720 Sherry at work, like stormed into her office in I 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:32.320 read in another article in tight short shorts and a 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:34.600 tube top, and I love that. If you're going to 1:04:34.640 --> 1:04:36.240 be a psycho and you're gonna come in and tell 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:38.400 some woman to like stay away from your man, you 1:04:38.520 --> 1:04:40.280 got to be in shorty shorts and a tube top 1:04:40.600 --> 1:04:43.959 and looking hot. So and she basically was like telling 1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:46.400 her it's not done between me and John. And essentially, 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:48.600 if I can't have John, no one else can. Like 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:52.080 very yikes. And so Sherry told her dad she thought 1:04:52.280 --> 1:04:55.760 Stephanie was stalking her, and but that she said, I'll 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:59.080 handle it, like I'll figure it out. So Sherry and 1:04:59.160 --> 1:05:01.480 John did end up getting married in November of nineteen 1:05:01.480 --> 1:05:05.959 eighty five. Three months later, February twenty fourth, nineteen eighty six, 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:08.720 Sherry and John are living in a condo in Van Nuys, 1:05:08.880 --> 1:05:11.840 which is just it's part of LA. It's just north 1:05:11.920 --> 1:05:14.160 of it's like in the valley, just north of like 1:05:14.200 --> 1:05:17.720 the rest of LA. And Sherry was supposed to go 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:19.440 give a talk at work that day and it was 1:05:19.440 --> 1:05:21.600 like a motivational speech, and she didn't really think that 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:23.920 those worked. So she was like, I'm not really feeling 1:05:23.920 --> 1:05:25.880 this and was telling John I might call him sick. 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:28.920 At nine p forty five, in the morning, a neighbor 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:30.920 noticed that their garage door was open and there was 1:05:30.960 --> 1:05:34.600 no car in it. And throughout the day, like later 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:36.520 in the morning and then throughout the day, John was 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:38.760 calling the house but not getting an answer from Sherry. 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:40.920 Her sister was calling the house and not getting an answer. 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:44.320 And at noon that day, two men who were thought 1:05:44.360 --> 1:05:47.560 to be gardeners or like workmen in the neighborhood gave 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:50.160 neighbors a purse that they found which did turn out 1:05:50.200 --> 1:05:53.640 to be Sherry's. And around twelve thirty PM, a maid 1:05:53.760 --> 1:05:58.240 in another apartment in the condo said she heard two 1:05:58.240 --> 1:06:02.880 people fighting and something falling. So that evening, when John 1:06:02.920 --> 1:06:05.320 returns home from work, he finds his garage door open 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:08.800 and there's broken glass in the driveway. Also the BMW 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:11.440 he had bought Sherry as an engagement gift excuse me 1:06:11.960 --> 1:06:16.080 was missing. And then he entered the house and found 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:20.640 Sherry dead on the living room floor, shot three times. Okay, 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:23.640 there's no sign of force entry, but there were signs 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:25.960 of a struggle. A vase that looked like it had 1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:29.040 been broken over Sherry's head. There's a bloody handprint next 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:32.280 to the burglar alarms panic button, there was overturned furniture 1:06:32.440 --> 1:06:37.120 stereo speakers. It looked like a struggle had ensued upstairs. 1:06:37.200 --> 1:06:39.840 One of the two sliding glass doors on the back 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:42.760 balcony was shattered, and so that was the glass that 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:45.960 he had seen on the pavement outside the garage. So 1:06:46.800 --> 1:06:48.680 it also looked like at one point the killer had 1:06:48.680 --> 1:06:51.200 maybe tried to tie Sherry up, and she had defensive 1:06:51.240 --> 1:06:54.240 wounds and a bruise on her face that implied she 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:56.840 might have been pistol whipped with the gun. She had 1:06:56.880 --> 1:07:01.800 three shots in her One seemed like it had been 1:07:01.840 --> 1:07:04.360 fired by I'm not sure how far away, but the 1:07:04.400 --> 1:07:07.440 second two shots had been fired directly, like with the 1:07:07.440 --> 1:07:11.000 gun placed on her chest, like point blank range, So 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:13.160 any of the three shots probably would have killed her, 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:15.400 but this person wanted to make sure she was dead, 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:18.560 and the second two shots had been fired through a 1:07:18.640 --> 1:07:22.120 quilted blanket to like muffle the sound. So there was 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:26.720 also a bitemark on her arm which investigators swabbed for saliva. 1:07:26.760 --> 1:07:29.400 They took a cast to like compare against teeth and stuff, 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:33.919 and then like the silver BMW was found a week later, 1:07:34.080 --> 1:07:37.000 parked on the street in Van Nuys, unlocked keys in 1:07:37.040 --> 1:07:39.520 the ignition, and in the car they found fingerprints, a 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:42.440 spot of blood, and a strand of brown hair. Now, 1:07:43.160 --> 1:07:47.680 Sherry's father Nels immediately suspected Stephanie, and he kept telling 1:07:47.680 --> 1:07:51.040 investigators check out the lady cop, the ex girlfriend of 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:54.120 her husband. He didn't know her name, so he just 1:07:54.200 --> 1:07:56.640 kept saying, check out the lady cop. And the father 1:07:57.480 --> 1:08:00.680 said that homicide Detective Lyle Meyer dis missed it and 1:08:00.720 --> 1:08:02.920 told him you've been watching too many cop shows. 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:04.480 Lol. 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:07.880 So, in fact, as we've seen time and time again, 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:11.320 this detective Meyer had heard from the neighbors about these 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:14.280 two Latino men who had been burglarizing homes in the 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:17.000 Van Nights area and had even at one point assaulted 1:08:17.040 --> 1:08:19.320 a woman. So he decided this is who did it. 1:08:19.360 --> 1:08:21.840 And he never strayed from that narrative. He just got 1:08:21.920 --> 1:08:23.800 that narrative like fixed on it and was like, this 1:08:24.000 --> 1:08:26.880 is it. So John had been at work, he had 1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:27.840 an alibi, and he. 1:08:27.800 --> 1:08:28.639 Was not a suspect. 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:30.559 He was also much like they said in the episode 1:08:30.640 --> 1:08:35.320 what the original investigator, Roscoe Orman's character said, he was 1:08:35.400 --> 1:08:38.479 visibly distraught, like this guy was broken hearted, like no 1:08:38.520 --> 1:08:42.080 one thought it was him. There was no motive, no insurance, 1:08:42.080 --> 1:08:44.519 They had no history of problems together, you know, like, 1:08:44.840 --> 1:08:47.760 so it was everyone testified around them that they were 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:51.679 like wildly in love. John himself thought Stephanie had nothing 1:08:51.680 --> 1:08:53.800 to do with it, and so Mayer believed him and 1:08:53.840 --> 1:08:57.200 didn't look into it any further. And John also said 1:08:57.280 --> 1:09:00.280 he didn't know about the work confrontation and that Sherry 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:02.120 would have told him if something like that happened. So 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:04.840 he's acting like the dad made up that his daughter 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:07.600 told him about this. There also might have been some 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:12.400 classic cop cover up shit going on here, because first 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:15.840 of all, all records pertaining to Nell's suspicion about the 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:18.439 Lady Cop, and even the interview with John the day 1:09:18.479 --> 1:09:21.920 after murder where he discussed Stephanie with the detective with 1:09:22.000 --> 1:09:25.439 Detective Mayor are missing, Like, there's no records that have 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:29.440 anything about Stephanie except for one. There are audio recordings 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:32.000 and notes of every other interview in those first days, 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:35.960 which was standard operating procedure, but there were none for 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:39.080 any of the interviews where Stephanie Lazarus was mentioned specifically. 1:09:39.120 --> 1:09:40.120 And is this. 1:09:40.040 --> 1:09:42.400 Motherfucker still working? Like this kind of cop should be 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:45.000 fired immediately with no retirement, you know what I mean, Like. 1:09:45.120 --> 1:09:47.120 That's a great question. I mean this, Yeah, I don't know. 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:49.479 This was like any other job. If you fuck up 1:09:49.520 --> 1:09:51.800 like this, like nurses always say it, it's like if 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:53.639 you kill a patient, you're in trouble. 1:09:54.040 --> 1:09:54.280 Yeah. 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:57.479 I just don't understand how you could be bad at 1:09:57.479 --> 1:10:01.599 your job, truly fuck up investigations by the law, covering evidence, 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:05.040 and then be like back the blue just protect that. 1:10:05.080 --> 1:10:06.000 We're just our friends. 1:10:06.360 --> 1:10:08.840 I know. I don't know if this guy was I 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:11.080 don't know if Lyle Mayer was the guy that actually 1:10:11.080 --> 1:10:11.880 did the covering up. 1:10:11.960 --> 1:10:12.800 Nobody really knows. 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.360 Actually I'll get more into that, but like you know, 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:19.920 he definitely fully just ignored leads because he had his 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:22.680 own version of what he thought the crime was. 1:10:22.800 --> 1:10:24.439 Like, yeah, exactly what you're saying. He did a bad job. 1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:25.400 It was twenty six years ago. 1:10:25.439 --> 1:10:27.479 I'm sure he's off the force now anyway, But I 1:10:27.520 --> 1:10:28.760 doubt he got suspended. 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:30.240 I'm sure he's just like retired. 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:34.400 So there's audio recordings and notes of every other interview 1:10:34.439 --> 1:10:36.200 of everyone they talked to in the first few days 1:10:36.200 --> 1:10:40.799 of the investigation, but there's nothing about Stephanie being specifically mentioned, 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:44.960 and both John and Nells remember speaking to the cops 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:48.040 and mentioning this person, and those interviews were not recorded 1:10:48.160 --> 1:10:52.240 or the recordings have gone missing. So later Nells was 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:55.960 extremely skeptical also about the Latino burglars theory. He was like, 1:10:55.960 --> 1:10:58.680 the crime scene looked like a struggle had ensued for 1:10:58.760 --> 1:11:01.400 at least an hour. How would Sherry have fought off 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:05.040 two men for that long? Like, that's pretty tough. So 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:07.880 Detective Mayor's partner, Steve Hooks thought that the perp might 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:10.800 have been a woman because quote, women are biters. Because 1:11:10.800 --> 1:11:14.960 of the bite mark okay, she also had not just 1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:17.519 been shot and killed. There were three shots, like someone 1:11:17.600 --> 1:11:19.879 wanted her ass dead. That's like a lot for a burglar, 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:22.160 For a burglar to be like bang bang bang, like 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:24.600 I got to make sure that you're totally dead is 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:28.280 a lot. And so no one ever looked into Stephanie Lazarus. 1:11:28.320 --> 1:11:31.320 And apparently it seems like Mayor or Hooks may have 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:33.640 called her once and that was it, and there's not 1:11:33.680 --> 1:11:36.479 even like a record of that. But the only mention 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:39.280 of her in the entire file of this case is 1:11:39.320 --> 1:11:42.240 a note from November nineteenth, nineteen eighty seven. More than 1:11:42.240 --> 1:11:44.120 a year and a half after the murder, and it 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:50.280 reads John Rutten called period verified Stephanie Lazarus Comma po 1:11:50.439 --> 1:11:54.600 Comma was former girlfriend. So and I'll get into that 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:57.000 message a little bit later. So there were no arrests, 1:11:57.040 --> 1:11:59.160 and everyone thought it was these two burglars who were 1:11:59.160 --> 1:12:02.240 never caught and like we're at large or whatever. But 1:12:02.520 --> 1:12:04.960 Nells and his wife Loretta like kept going. They offered 1:12:05.000 --> 1:12:07.040 a ten thousand dollars reward. They went on a show 1:12:07.080 --> 1:12:09.759 called Murder one and did a segment about Sherry's murder. 1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:13.240 He kept calling the lp LPD detectives and saying, what 1:12:13.360 --> 1:12:14.320 about the lady cop? 1:12:14.360 --> 1:12:15.519 Have you asked the lady cop? 1:12:15.880 --> 1:12:18.479 And then when DNA testing became like much bigger, because 1:12:18.520 --> 1:12:21.360 this was the mid to late eighties, like DNA I 1:12:21.400 --> 1:12:25.160 think started popping like early nineties, he called the LAPD 1:12:25.200 --> 1:12:26.160 and was like, okay. 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:27.000 Can you run the evidence? 1:12:27.040 --> 1:12:29.200 And the DNA found it the scene and he was 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:31.240 told that the department had a limited budget and could 1:12:31.280 --> 1:12:33.439 not afford to run such tests. So he offered to 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:35.680 pay for the tests himself, and he even had a 1:12:35.760 --> 1:12:38.120 lab straight up willing to do the work. And he 1:12:38.200 --> 1:12:40.040 said he was told them that He was told by 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:42.400 them that the DNA would do no good without a suspect, 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:44.880 which may have been true because their database wasn't like 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:47.679 a full database yet, like it might not have solved 1:12:47.680 --> 1:12:51.680 anything immediately. But Nells wanted the testing done because he 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:54.640 suspected Stephanie. But he never got a chance because guess what, 1:12:54.920 --> 1:12:58.519 just like in the episode, the evidence fucking disappeared. Some 1:12:58.840 --> 1:13:02.479 random detective not connected to the case allegedly signed it out. 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:04.920 The man has no memory of doing that, and so 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:06.480 the evidence just disappeared. 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:10.120 Infuriating. Okay, like just gonzo. 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:12.839 Any detective can sign out any kind of fucking evidence 1:13:12.840 --> 1:13:14.720 and it doesn't matter. This man may not have even 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:16.360 done it. Someone could have just looked up a random 1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:19.839 CoP's name and like written it down. So for eighteen years, 1:13:19.960 --> 1:13:22.880 the file and whatever evidence was left was just like 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:26.320 rotting away in storage. And in nineteen eighty nine, wildly 1:13:26.400 --> 1:13:28.840 John even met up with Stephanie in Hawaii for a 1:13:28.880 --> 1:13:32.679 scuba trip, and first he called the detective to confirm 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:35.280 that Stephanie was not linked to his wife wife's murder, 1:13:35.479 --> 1:13:39.040 and Meyer was like, Yep, no suspicions at all. Have aloha, 1:13:39.200 --> 1:13:41.799 have a great time in Hawaii. The Vanity Fair article 1:13:42.080 --> 1:13:44.080 like that has a lot of the information I'm using, 1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:46.479 but also other articles, but this one had like an amazing, 1:13:46.640 --> 1:13:50.280 like very detailed profile about this. They said they reconnected 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:52.640 in Hawaii. I don't know if it was romantic or what. 1:13:52.960 --> 1:13:56.840 But down the road, John remarried. Stephanie married another cop. 1:13:57.479 --> 1:14:02.040 She John, Yeah, I think maybe kids. Stephanie adopted a 1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:06.639 daughter with her husband, and she also moved up as 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:08.800 a cop. Like she had a pretty distinguished career. She 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:11.240 was very well respected. She had no write ups in 1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:16.080 her file, unlike Stabler. And so almost two decades of 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:19.360 silence in this case. And then in two thousand and four, 1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:23.839 which is apparently in two thousand and one, the LAPD 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:27.080 police chief started a cold case unit because crime had 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:28.200 started to fall in LA. 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:29.920 So they wanted to like, Okay, if you. 1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:32.599 Cops aren't doing anything, you detectors aren't doing anything, let's 1:14:32.600 --> 1:14:35.559 get you working on some of these cold cases. So 1:14:35.760 --> 1:14:39.280 this woman named Jennifer Francis was a criminalist with that unit, 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:42.920 and she got Cherry's case. She was very confused when 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:45.120 she started going through the file. She was like, where's 1:14:45.160 --> 1:14:47.680 the swab from the bite? Like where's the DNA, like 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:50.040 the swab from the bite, and She's like, since it 1:14:50.080 --> 1:14:53.679 wasn't in the file, she checked the coroner's freezers by hand. 1:14:54.280 --> 1:14:58.439 The swab was found in a Manila envelope that had 1:14:58.520 --> 1:15:00.880 somehow like taken on moisture from the side of the 1:15:00.880 --> 1:15:03.920 freezer walls, and so the case number had worn away, 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:06.479 but it had Resmusen written on the front of it. 1:15:06.520 --> 1:15:08.920 But evidence is usually stored by number, not by name, 1:15:09.080 --> 1:15:12.000 and so whoever gathered up the evidence in eighty six 1:15:12.600 --> 1:15:14.600 had just like left it in the freezer where it 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:17.479 sat for eighteen years because it didn't have the number 1:15:17.640 --> 1:15:20.640 case number on it. Inside the envelope was a screwcap 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:24.160 tube and inside the tube were two swabs. So in 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:27.000 January of five she ran the DNA through CODIS and 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:29.920 there were no hits, but the result did show that 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:32.400 the bite on her arm had been made by a woman, 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:35.439 just like that first guy fucking said, and no one 1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:39.360 even chased it down. At this point, Jennifer Francis does 1:15:39.400 --> 1:15:42.960 not know about Stephanie or Nils's theory or anything, because 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:46.120 there's nothing written about her in any of the files 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:49.519 for a cold case officer to even discover, so maybe 1:15:49.560 --> 1:15:51.519 one of the burglars had like the fact that the 1:15:51.600 --> 1:15:54.120 dad keeps calling the LAPD and no one even jots 1:15:54.160 --> 1:15:56.679 it in the notes. No one even says Dad really 1:15:56.720 --> 1:15:59.760 suspects female cop. Dad really thinks it's this person, Like 1:15:59.760 --> 1:16:01.640 there's nothing about her in the notes except for that 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:05.040 one little note I read earlier. So they're like, Okay, well, 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:07.320 maybe one of the burglars had was a female. That's 1:16:07.360 --> 1:16:10.759 like not typical, but there's no female suspects in the file, 1:16:10.960 --> 1:16:13.840 so guess this will just sit in evidence and this 1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:16.760 everything just goes back into storage for another four years. 1:16:17.160 --> 1:16:19.280 Now it's two thousand and nine and the case pops 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:23.880 up again when Van Nuy's homicide detective Jim Nuttle, he 1:16:24.080 --> 1:16:26.639 notices the same thing Jennifer Francis did, that the DNA 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:29.800 report kind of like fucked the entire working theory of 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:32.920 the crime. So he tells his boss named Robert Bubb, 1:16:33.200 --> 1:16:36.320 I love that name, who assigned two more detectives, Mark 1:16:36.360 --> 1:16:40.000 Martinez and Pete Barba. They all started looking through everything 1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:44.559 and were actually like, hello, Barba, Yeah, there's a barber 1:16:44.680 --> 1:16:47.400 on the case. So they start looking through everything and 1:16:47.439 --> 1:16:50.439 they're actually like Okay. The working theory was that she 1:16:50.600 --> 1:16:54.280 walked downstairs surprised the burglars, and the burglars like tussled 1:16:54.320 --> 1:16:57.200 with her and then shot her. Okay, but that doesn't 1:16:57.240 --> 1:16:59.360 even make sense, like when they at when they look 1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:02.120 at all, like the when they reconstruct the times the 1:17:02.320 --> 1:17:05.200 crime scene themselves, or like that doesn't even work. Like 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:09.400 what happened was the intruder went upstairs and surprised her 1:17:10.040 --> 1:17:13.439 and then a shot was two shots were fired at 1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:16.760 her that missed, and that shattered the sliding glass door, 1:17:16.800 --> 1:17:20.280 and that's why the glass door had was shattered. So 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:24.120 the perpetrator came upstairs surprise, share surprise, Sherry tried to 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:27.400 shoot her twice. Scherry somehow manages to get downstairs and 1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:30.200 tries to reach for the panic button on the alarm system, 1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:33.599 but the killer stops her and they start fighting. Sherry 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:35.519 at one point must have managed to get the gun 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:38.000 away from the killer and put the killer in a headlock, 1:17:38.080 --> 1:17:40.080 and then the killer bit her to get her free. 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:43.280 So when the kill, that's when the killer hit her 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:45.880 with the vase, which incapacitated her long enough to get 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:47.719 the gun back, and then that's when she was shot. 1:17:48.040 --> 1:17:49.920 And then they took the quilts and fired the two 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:52.160 more shots through at point blank range to make sure 1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:54.760 the job was done. So then the killer tried to 1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:57.600 stage the scene to look like an interrupted burglary, Like 1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:01.320 there were CD player and like VCR and stuff like 1:18:01.400 --> 1:18:03.120 stacked on top of each other that had like a 1:18:03.160 --> 1:18:05.360 bloody fingerprint on it, so they made it seem like 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:09.640 it was a burglary interrupted. And the detectives working on 1:18:09.680 --> 1:18:13.280 the case in nine noticed in that original message where 1:18:13.280 --> 1:18:16.360 it said po next to Stephanie Lazarus's name, They're like, 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:17.960 what does that mean? And then they figured out it 1:18:18.000 --> 1:18:21.120 was police officer, So they looked her up and they 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:22.960 found that as of two thousand and nine, she was 1:18:23.000 --> 1:18:26.679 still working in the art theft division. Hello our friend 1:18:26.760 --> 1:18:29.840 joystart management a small This is a small squad that 1:18:29.880 --> 1:18:33.800 investigates art theft and fraud, right across the hall from homicide. 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:38.280 So they goed and love that homicide and art or 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:38.960 her next to you. 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:41.519 I know, but like apparently she was great at her job. 1:18:41.600 --> 1:18:44.000 She had like she had been building up this really 1:18:44.000 --> 1:18:46.439 big case for three years against this person who had 1:18:46.479 --> 1:18:49.040 like stolen art from an old person and was kind 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:51.680 of like participating in elder abuse and like there was 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:55.200 this like a valuable piece of art. Anyway, that case 1:18:55.240 --> 1:18:57.000 went to shit and I'll tell you you'll find out 1:18:57.080 --> 1:18:57.479 very soon. 1:18:57.560 --> 1:19:03.360 Why. So they call John Rutten, the you know, the 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:04.000 husband in. 1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:06.120 The case, and he was like, yeah, you guys have 1:19:06.160 --> 1:19:08.320 always known about her, but I don't think she did it, 1:19:08.360 --> 1:19:10.240 and he refused to believe that she had anything to 1:19:10.280 --> 1:19:12.800 do with it. Then they called Nell's the dad, Who's like, 1:19:13.000 --> 1:19:15.639 are you actually fucking kidding me? Like, I've been calling 1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:17.960 you guys and telling you guys about this fucking woman forever, 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:20.599 Like how are you just calling me now in two 1:19:20.600 --> 1:19:24.160 thousand and nine years after this crime, twenty three years 1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:26.720 after this crime and asking me about this woman. So 1:19:26.760 --> 1:19:29.240 they start thinking about it how a cop would do this, 1:19:29.400 --> 1:19:30.960 Like how would a cop do this crime? And how 1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:32.960 would they cover it up? First of all, they would 1:19:32.960 --> 1:19:34.439 do it on and off. They wouldn't do it while 1:19:34.439 --> 1:19:36.519 they were working, So it must have been a day 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:39.479 that they were off duty, a day off. They find out, yes, 1:19:39.600 --> 1:19:42.080 Stephanie was off on the day of the murder. What 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:44.759 about the gun? A cop would never use their service 1:19:44.840 --> 1:19:49.000 weapon because obviously that's very traceable, But most cops have 1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:52.120 more than one gun. So they found out that she actually, 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:54.960 after she graduated college, had registered for a thirty eight, 1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:57.320 which is the weapon used in the murder, and that 1:19:57.400 --> 1:19:59.600 she had reported it stolen a few weeks after the 1:19:59.680 --> 1:20:03.800 murder had taken place in Santa Monica. All this information 1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:06.000 was right there for the cops to find too in 1:20:06.040 --> 1:20:08.400 nineteen eighty six. They just never fucking looked for it, 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:11.360 Like they never even checked into Stephanie Lazarus's background, Like 1:20:11.360 --> 1:20:12.320 what was she doing that day? 1:20:12.360 --> 1:20:13.200 Oh, she was off. 1:20:13.760 --> 1:20:15.960 Does she own any weapons? Oh yeah, she owns the 1:20:16.040 --> 1:20:20.400 murder weapon. Like so much crazy lazy police work. So 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:23.040 now these guys need her DNA, okay, but they don't 1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:24.400 want to ask her for it. They want to get 1:20:24.400 --> 1:20:27.720 it sneaky style to not alert her that they're onto her. 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:31.640 So they follow her and her adopted daughter to a 1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:35.920 trip to Costco and after they eat, they grab the 1:20:36.000 --> 1:20:38.920 drink cup that she leaves behind. Classic you don't think 1:20:38.920 --> 1:20:42.639 this shit happens, It happens. And then the DNA from 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:46.120 the bite on sherry was done done a match. 1:20:46.760 --> 1:20:49.639 So I'm just scared, Like the dad is dead by 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:52.920 this point and never saw justice or did he know? 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:58.840 Okay? So in jew the whole fucking Department. 1:20:58.400 --> 1:21:00.320 In June two thousand and nine, they bring in to 1:21:00.400 --> 1:21:03.679 talk to her and and you can watch the entire 1:21:03.720 --> 1:21:06.040 interrogation on YouTube and it is in the show notes, 1:21:06.080 --> 1:21:10.360 and it's wild, like you just can like tell she's guilty, 1:21:10.400 --> 1:21:11.320 but she's also like. 1:21:12.400 --> 1:21:14.439 This is what what are we talking about? This is crazy, 1:21:14.479 --> 1:21:15.719 like it's it's nuts. 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:18.280 And did she look super hot? Was she wearing a 1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:21.200 tube star? I think those days are behind her. 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:23.360 She has kind of a wild face, like one of 1:21:23.360 --> 1:21:25.960 the articles described her as having like an elastic face, 1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:29.479 like like big expressions and like that is kind of 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:31.880 what she looks like. But I also think people overact 1:21:31.880 --> 1:21:35.200 a little bit when they're guilty. So they bring her in. 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:38.640 At first, the questioning is very casual. They're like, so, 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:41.000 we're working on this cold case. Had you ever met Sherry? 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:43.200 And she was like, god, I don't know. Like it's 1:21:43.320 --> 1:21:45.240 very like the way that we're talking to Dana Lewis 1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:47.880 at the beginning, maybe at a party. I really it 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:50.400 is so long ago, I can't really remember, and like 1:21:51.120 --> 1:21:53.479 it was twenty three years ago, but it's like you 1:21:53.520 --> 1:21:58.160 would remember meeting your ex boyfriend's like, new wife, I 1:21:58.160 --> 1:22:00.920 don't know, you just would and at least meeting her 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:03.160 at one point, maybe not exactly what you talked about, 1:22:03.160 --> 1:22:05.000 but meeting she's like, yeah. 1:22:04.800 --> 1:22:07.040 I think her name was Shelley Sherry. 1:22:07.479 --> 1:22:09.640 So she's pulling all that shit like you haven't been 1:22:09.640 --> 1:22:12.120 thinking about this for the past twenty three years NonStop. 1:22:12.840 --> 1:22:15.600 So she's sighing and saying geez a lot and like 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:18.160 really putting on an act, like what geez, what do 1:22:18.200 --> 1:22:19.960 you guys? I mean it's like, yeah, okay, I saw 1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:21.200 her one time at her work. It's not like we 1:22:21.240 --> 1:22:24.320 went to lunch or something like. It's wild and they're 1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:26.880 asking her if she ever had a physical altercation with Sherry, 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:29.280 and she just kept saying, that doesn't sound familiar. I 1:22:29.280 --> 1:22:33.040 don't recall that, like super super off the wall. This 1:22:33.080 --> 1:22:37.240 is like incredible, and she's remembering. As they keep going, 1:22:37.280 --> 1:22:39.880 her memory is coming back more and more like, yeah, 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:42.120 maybe I did talk to her at her work one time, 1:22:42.280 --> 1:22:44.799 and yeah, like maybe I did talk to a detective 1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:46.640 after she died. She says she found out about the 1:22:46.720 --> 1:22:49.320 murder from a poster at her work like that, like 1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:52.200 he didn't call her, she didn't know from him like whatever. 1:22:52.800 --> 1:22:55.200 So she got pissed eventually and is like, are you 1:22:55.240 --> 1:22:57.080 accusing me? Do I need a lawyer? And they're like, no, 1:22:57.120 --> 1:22:59.000 you're here of your own free will. You can leave, 1:22:59.080 --> 1:23:03.120 and she didn't. But then later, after more and more questioning, 1:23:03.160 --> 1:23:05.240 she does walk out, and as soon as she walks out, 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:08.040 they formally cuff her and arrest her. Okay, and she 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:11.439 keeps saying, this is crazy, this is absolutely insane. That's 1:23:11.439 --> 1:23:13.160 what she keeps repeating as they're arresting her. 1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:15.120 And she was. 1:23:15.120 --> 1:23:18.240 Apparently, as I said before, mostly beloved by colleagues, and 1:23:18.280 --> 1:23:20.240 people were very shocked to hear about that she could 1:23:20.240 --> 1:23:22.719 have had something to do with this. But a few 1:23:22.760 --> 1:23:25.360 colleagues actually said that she could get angry kind of 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:26.920 on a whim, and they had a nickname for her, 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:30.800 which was Spazarus. And I mean, obviously that's a problematic word. 1:23:30.840 --> 1:23:33.799 I'm not using it. This was the you know, eighties 1:23:33.800 --> 1:23:38.519 and nineties. So she was allowed to retire early from 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:41.320 the LAPD. After her arrest, It's like, yeah, duh, she 1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:42.639 will not be coming back to the squad. 1:23:42.640 --> 1:23:43.160 I don't think. 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:46.080 So. She was arraigned in July of two thousand and nine, 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:49.400 she pled not guilty. There wasn't a bail hearing for 1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:51.840 six months, which is nuts, Like it is wild to 1:23:51.840 --> 1:23:54.080 sit in jail for six months waiting for a bail hearing, 1:23:54.920 --> 1:23:58.320 but but she deserves it, right, But bail was said 1:23:58.320 --> 1:24:01.080 at ten million dollars, which is like double what the 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:04.599 prosecutors even asked for, and her lawyer was like Robert 1:24:04.640 --> 1:24:07.519 Blake and Phil Spector, both on trial for murder that 1:24:07.520 --> 1:24:10.960 they most definitely committed, both got one million dollar bail 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:12.280 and they're like millionaires. 1:24:12.840 --> 1:24:15.519 So yeah, but you're a cop, Yeah, you know what 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:15.840 I mean. 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:19.080 I'm sorry, Like you're a murdering cop and rotten jail 1:24:19.120 --> 1:24:21.920 for six months, like I give a shit, yeah, no 1:24:22.040 --> 1:24:24.200 problems destroying evidence, and like. 1:24:24.360 --> 1:24:25.599 The amount is just shocking. 1:24:25.640 --> 1:24:27.360 It's like, yeah, but why aren't you giving ten million 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:30.120 dollars to millionaires who killed their girlfriends? Like I don't 1:24:30.120 --> 1:24:31.960 know that they could be getting ten million as well, 1:24:32.479 --> 1:24:34.599 but I see what you're saying, Like it is more 1:24:34.680 --> 1:24:36.320 like an abuse of power, and I'm sure they like 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:41.040 look down on it more. But eventually a judge like 1:24:41.080 --> 1:24:43.360 set aside some charges that would have allowed them to 1:24:43.360 --> 1:24:44.480 go for the death penalty. 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:47.360 Also I am just reading in this at this. 1:24:47.320 --> 1:24:49.760 Point in my research, I read for the first time 1:24:50.160 --> 1:24:53.720 that the marriage certificate was stolen in the attack. So 1:24:53.800 --> 1:24:58.160 this woman was like full on scorched earth. Hell, hath 1:24:58.240 --> 1:25:02.879 no fury, like a woman scorned stole the marriage certificate wild, 1:25:03.320 --> 1:25:06.320 I can't even so. I don't know why this trial 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:08.000 lasted for like two and a half years. I think 1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:10.439 it's because her lawyer had like a million pre trial 1:25:10.479 --> 1:25:12.240 motions and they all had to be heard, and it 1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:16.080 was like trying to exclude her the warrant of stuff 1:25:16.120 --> 1:25:18.200 they found in her house because her house like didn't 1:25:18.240 --> 1:25:21.640 exist when the murder happened, trying to exclude all this 1:25:21.840 --> 1:25:24.479 other stuff. But in March of twenty twelve, she was 1:25:24.560 --> 1:25:27.040 convicted for the murder of Sherry Rasmussen. She was sentenced 1:25:27.080 --> 1:25:30.760 to twenty seven years in jail. She has attempted to 1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:33.479 appeal her case several times about lower courts have upheld 1:25:33.520 --> 1:25:36.040 the conviction, and she is serving her sentence at the 1:25:36.080 --> 1:25:39.640 California Institute for Women in Corona, and after credit for 1:25:39.720 --> 1:25:42.000 time served before the trial, she will be eligible for 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:45.000 parole in December of twenty thirty four, which is in 1:25:45.439 --> 1:25:51.800 twelve years so the Rasmussins did sue Lazarus and the LAPD. 1:25:52.120 --> 1:25:54.760 I found both of the cases online, but real law 1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:56.400 cases are extremely hard to read. 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:59.519 My mind cannot like absorb them. But I found out that. 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:03.759 But essentially Nells's case was dropped as time barred because 1:26:03.760 --> 1:26:06.320 they waited too long to file it, I guess. And 1:26:06.400 --> 1:26:10.559 then all the lawsuits were either were dropped against the 1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:13.360 LAPD or were found in favor of the LAPD. So 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:17.240 apparently a reinvestigation by the department did not find that 1:26:17.240 --> 1:26:19.240 there was any evidence of an internal cover up. 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:20.680 Of course, but you know. 1:26:20.600 --> 1:26:22.479 I don't really think they have an IAB guy like 1:26:22.560 --> 1:26:24.840 Tucker trying to fuck the cops over all the time. 1:26:25.280 --> 1:26:27.160 He's probably like high fiving them, like, oh do you 1:26:27.160 --> 1:26:30.120 burn that box of evidence? The missing evidence from the 1:26:30.160 --> 1:26:35.040 case file is a complete like mystery. It remains completely 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:39.280 unknown what happens to that evidence. And uh, as I 1:26:39.320 --> 1:26:40.880 was reading this, I was like, how has this not 1:26:40.920 --> 1:26:41.400 been a movie? 1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:42.880 How has this not been turned into a movie? 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:45.040 Like this is a wild case, like this would be 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:47.760 at worst a lifetime movie, but at best you could 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:49.240 make it into like a super cool, like. 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:50.400 Psycho sexual thriller. 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:54.720 So I find a Deadline article that Endeavor and Anonymous 1:26:54.720 --> 1:26:58.600 Content acquired the rights to Matthew mcguff's book The Lazarus 1:26:58.640 --> 1:27:02.080 Files colon a cold case investigation. This is a book 1:27:02.120 --> 1:27:04.320 about the case. I used one of his articles as 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:06.519 a source that he wrote in The Atlantic. This is 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:09.080 a book about the case and the LAPD cover up 1:27:09.080 --> 1:27:11.080 that this guy worked on for nine years and he 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:14.240 also did a podcast about it. So it turns out 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:16.519 that the woman who created Remember when we talked about 1:27:16.520 --> 1:27:19.280 the act and Gypsy Rose and how this woman wrote 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:22.719 an article and then go and then sold the rights 1:27:22.760 --> 1:27:24.160 to the act to her article. 1:27:24.640 --> 1:27:26.240 She sold the rights to her article. 1:27:25.960 --> 1:27:28.519 And created the act, and I feel like Gypsy Rose 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:30.679 was like pissed to her. So this woman who wrote 1:27:30.680 --> 1:27:33.400 that Gypsy Rose article and created the act is the 1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:36.640 one who has been hired to adapt this into a 1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:37.280 TV show. 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:40.639 Her name is Michelle Dean and she was This. 1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:42.400 Is an article from March of twenty twenty one, So 1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:44.600 maybe it's still in the works, but it's been a 1:27:44.640 --> 1:27:45.200 year and a half. 1:27:45.200 --> 1:27:47.240 Maybe it got scrapped. I'm like, can I write it 1:27:47.320 --> 1:27:48.680 like I'm upset? Let us in? 1:27:49.120 --> 1:27:51.120 Yeah, let us in, Like I think this could be 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:54.240 such a cool movie. And like it's the Vanity Fair article. 1:27:54.560 --> 1:27:58.480 I you know, all who play hard? Who I play hard? 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:03.000 And my notes or what like, all my sources are great, 1:28:03.000 --> 1:28:05.320 but this Vanity Fair article is like great because they 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:09.280 bounce back and forth between bits of her interrogation and 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:12.479 what happened in like real in the case timeline, and 1:28:12.520 --> 1:28:14.360 they just go back and forth, and I feel like 1:28:14.800 --> 1:28:17.320 it's cool. It's like a cool article the way they 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:19.120 did so I could see why I could see that 1:28:19.280 --> 1:28:23.120 article being optioned for you know, but I think that 1:28:23.280 --> 1:28:24.720 his article may have done the same thing. 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:27.639 Mcguff's article did the same thing. So whatever. 1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:31.599 This man, Matthew McGough worked very hard on this case 1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:33.559 and I hope that he gets some TV money out 1:28:33.600 --> 1:28:33.800 of it. 1:28:33.880 --> 1:28:37.040 But that's that. And they took a lot of it. 1:28:37.520 --> 1:28:40.599 Like in SVU it was nineteen eighty seven, in real 1:28:40.640 --> 1:28:43.640 life it was eighty six. Like there were just like 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:47.480 tons of tons of similarities. 1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:49.519 Yeah, damn. 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:52.280 She still maintains her innocence. I mean, like she never 1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:54.080 said like, all right, fuck it, I did it. But 1:28:55.360 --> 1:28:57.679 you know, I think if you've been lying to yourself 1:28:57.680 --> 1:28:59.280 and covering up a crime for twenty three years. 1:28:59.320 --> 1:29:01.400 You might actually you didn't do it. Who knows. 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:03.519 I'm like looking at her face trying to think who 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:06.519 would play her, and I can't. I'm not casting it 1:29:06.520 --> 1:29:10.719 as quick as i'd like. Oh yeah, let me look, 1:29:11.000 --> 1:29:12.719 we'll figure it out before it airs. 1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:13.800 We'll do it. I don't know. 1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:17.720 Yeah, let's go to our interview and in our post mortem, 1:29:18.160 --> 1:29:28.160 we will cast this woman. Guys, our guest today is 1:29:28.160 --> 1:29:34.360 an actor who has positively affected the lives of literally thousands, 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:38.120 if not millions, of children multiple generations. Best known for 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:40.760 portraying Gordon Robinson on a little show you may have 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:43.920 heard of called Sesame Street for forty two gd years. 1:29:44.280 --> 1:29:46.680 He's also been featured on the series The Wire and 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:50.240 Blue Bloods, but today you know him as former case 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:53.040 detective Jerome Howard, now living the good life in a 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:57.639 crazy sweater of retirement. Please enjoy our chat with Roscoe Orman. 1:29:57.960 --> 1:29:59.479 Oh my gosh, this is thrilling. 1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:04.200 I can't. We were talking to a legend. Amazing. Well, 1:30:04.240 --> 1:30:07.360 we got to know, how often are people stopping you 1:30:07.400 --> 1:30:10.120 on the streets? How old Eli Gordon? 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:16.800 Well that's that's that's the main attraction for viewers, you know, 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:20.720 after what forty years of Sesame Street is you know, 1:30:21.080 --> 1:30:25.360 it's pretty phenomenal. Actually yeah, but I've done you know, 1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:30.200 so many other projects. You know, of course, theater, live theater, 1:30:30.920 --> 1:30:34.760 you know, Broadway off Broadway, regional theater, you know, so 1:30:34.880 --> 1:30:38.320 many different I forget most of what I've done. 1:30:39.760 --> 1:30:42.320 I feel like when people see you, it's like when 1:30:42.360 --> 1:30:45.280 you see a teacher outside of school or something like, 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:49.360 I just can't imagine, like a kid, like if. 1:30:49.280 --> 1:30:51.880 You can't see you after they've seen you on Sesame Street, 1:30:51.920 --> 1:30:55.519 it's like, what so you said you don't remember a 1:30:55.560 --> 1:30:57.280 lot of stuff you've done, which makes sense you've had 1:30:57.320 --> 1:30:59.920 a very long career, but do you remember your SBUs? 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:02.360 That's what we're here to talk about, of course, and 1:31:02.439 --> 1:31:04.720 like we're here to talk about the episode that you 1:31:04.720 --> 1:31:07.519 were in Secrets Zoomed. But as I was doing the research, 1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:09.919 I was like, oh my gosh, I forgot that. We 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:13.120 we've already covered the episode's signature and you were in 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:15.240 that episode as well where you found the dead body. 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:17.680 And we got so many messages from our listeners that 1:31:17.720 --> 1:31:20.679 were like, you guys didn't mention that that was Gordon 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:25.520 from Sesame Street, And we were like, oh, sorry. 1:31:24.479 --> 1:31:28.320 Wow, that's that's really something I had no idea. 1:31:28.000 --> 1:31:30.200 Yeah, because it was just like you're you know, your 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:32.040 scene is like you're with a kid and you guys 1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:34.160 find the dead body and the scene is so gross 1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:35.880 that I think I was focused on that and not 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:36.360 on you. 1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:39.280 Yes, and I was a park ranger if. 1:31:39.160 --> 1:31:42.560 From that message, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, Wow. 1:31:42.760 --> 1:31:45.240 It brings brings back some memories, you know. 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:49.559 So when you did so, I mean obviously SVU is 1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:53.519 like could not be a further walk away from Sesame Street, right, 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:55.719 Like it's a completely different type of show. 1:31:56.120 --> 1:31:59.360 There is one other thing I did well, actually two 1:32:00.439 --> 1:32:05.160 that are really far removed from Sesame Street. One was 1:32:05.720 --> 1:32:10.120 All my Children, but I was a bad guy and 1:32:10.160 --> 1:32:13.360 I was doing Gordon, you know, simultaneously, so it was like, 1:32:14.280 --> 1:32:15.360 you know, who is this guy? 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:18.840 Is he? Is he Gordon? Or or is he Tyrone? 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:20.320 Yeah? 1:32:20.320 --> 1:32:22.280 And I used to watch All My Children when I 1:32:22.320 --> 1:32:24.160 was really little, So I bet if I had ever 1:32:24.360 --> 1:32:26.479 caught you and then caught you on Sesame Street, that 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:29.840 would have been a really confusing, very confused. 1:32:31.680 --> 1:32:32.120 Mm hmm. 1:32:32.840 --> 1:32:38.080 My uh little you know time with Tyrone on on 1:32:38.360 --> 1:32:42.360 uh All my Children was it was kind of looked 1:32:42.400 --> 1:32:45.640 down upon that this guy who was you know, uh 1:32:46.280 --> 1:32:49.680 on a children's show was was also a pimp on 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:53.240 on All My Children. Yeah, so that was that was 1:32:54.000 --> 1:32:57.360 something that I had to kind of, yeah, you know, 1:32:57.760 --> 1:32:58.479 recover from. 1:33:01.240 --> 1:33:04.280 And you know, I wasn't. I didn't have to you know, 1:33:04.439 --> 1:33:07.639 leave leave the Sesame Street for having appeared. 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:10.880 I mean, isn't that what acting is all about. 1:33:11.000 --> 1:33:12.880 Right, exactly exactly? 1:33:13.160 --> 1:33:15.400 The pimp one day, Big Birds from the next. 1:33:15.640 --> 1:33:15.840 Yeah. 1:33:16.120 --> 1:33:18.160 Well, I guess because they're both on during the day, 1:33:18.240 --> 1:33:21.400 there is a possibility. Like with SVU, it's like s 1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:23.879 fews on at ten o'clock at night. Kids really shouldn't 1:33:23.880 --> 1:33:26.200 be watching they shouldn't be awake watching TV. But all 1:33:26.240 --> 1:33:28.760 my children, I guess it would be confusing if you 1:33:28.840 --> 1:33:31.639 were checking around for PBS and you see. 1:33:33.240 --> 1:33:35.439 Yeah, yeah, and that I can, I can. 1:33:35.680 --> 1:33:39.840 I can really identify with that, Yes, especially since I 1:33:39.960 --> 1:33:42.400 have you know, five children of my own who yeh, 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:44.479 you know, of course they know that I'm really dead, 1:33:44.680 --> 1:33:44.800 you know. 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:49.759 Yeah, Well, can I ask a question about Sesame Street 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:51.720 and I don't Maybe this doesn't make any sense, but 1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:55.639 was there a specific Sesame Street character that you felt 1:33:55.680 --> 1:33:59.200 like you connected with the best, like you an Oscar. 1:33:59.520 --> 1:34:01.920 You like, Who's who's the guy? 1:34:02.720 --> 1:34:11.719 Uh Well, my favorite, uh character among the puppets was Elmo, oh, Elma, 1:34:12.760 --> 1:34:14.479 Elmo Almo. 1:34:14.800 --> 1:34:19.000 Frank Oz, who was the puppeteer was it is, I 1:34:19.040 --> 1:34:20.120 should say, a genius. 1:34:20.200 --> 1:34:26.040 I mean he has so much he brings so much humor, 1:34:26.720 --> 1:34:28.800 and you know, he's so quick on his feet he 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:31.280 makes up stuff that and if and of course if 1:34:31.360 --> 1:34:34.680 you're working with him, you have to really, you know, 1:34:35.320 --> 1:34:38.400 be on your toes because he's he's that good. He's 1:34:38.520 --> 1:34:41.600 able to, you know, create on the moment, you know. 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:44.519 And uh so it was always always fun to working 1:34:44.560 --> 1:34:47.519 with him. I've worked with Frank Frank Oz a few times. 1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:52.080 Not Frank Frank, Jim Henson. Jim Henson of course worked 1:34:52.080 --> 1:34:55.519 with him quite a bit. Carol Spinney of course, who 1:34:55.600 --> 1:34:59.880 played the Big Bird and Oscar the Grouds both Oh wow, yeah, 1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:03.320 Oscar the Grouch and who was a grouch and of 1:35:03.400 --> 1:35:03.960 course big. 1:35:03.880 --> 1:35:08.240 Bird who is the sweetest natured thing human or not human? 1:35:08.360 --> 1:35:13.519 But how did she do both? Because I feel like 1:35:13.600 --> 1:35:14.479 Big Bird in Oscar. 1:35:14.880 --> 1:35:19.400 His name is Carol, Carol the Guy A R R 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:22.320 O L. Carol Spinney, But he. 1:35:22.960 --> 1:35:25.080 Do both and what did he do when when Big 1:35:25.160 --> 1:35:28.000 Bird and Oscar had to interact they didn't. 1:35:28.400 --> 1:35:31.400 Oh, I can't believe it. I don't think I ever 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:31.960 noticed that. 1:35:33.360 --> 1:35:36.600 Which Muppet do you think would sadly be on s 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:37.759 v U as a criminal? 1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:39.120 Oh? 1:35:39.280 --> 1:35:46.080 My goodness, I guess Cookie Monster the most. Yes, yes, 1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:50.800 and Cookie Monster was Oh gee, who played. 1:35:53.400 --> 1:35:57.880 That was Frank also Frank Genius, Yeah, he did Cookie 1:35:57.960 --> 1:36:00.880 Monster and Grover Wow? 1:36:01.160 --> 1:36:01.400 Wow? 1:36:01.920 --> 1:36:03.880 Yeah, I mean I guess I could also see Oscar 1:36:03.920 --> 1:36:05.080 the Grouge finding a body. 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:07.960 You know, of course he's in the garbage, so you 1:36:08.000 --> 1:36:09.280 know he can be on the show too. 1:36:10.240 --> 1:36:12.160 And then there was also Elmo. I don't know if 1:36:12.200 --> 1:36:13.360 you remember remember Elmo? 1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:14.639 How can you forget? 1:36:14.880 --> 1:36:17.000 I cannot remember the Little Red Monster. 1:36:17.520 --> 1:36:21.240 No, there's something weird about Elmo, like the way that 1:36:21.560 --> 1:36:25.160 like kids are obsessed with Elmo right away. Like my 1:36:25.280 --> 1:36:27.920 three year old saw Elmo like just on a thumbnail 1:36:28.000 --> 1:36:30.000 once and was like that, I want to watch that, 1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:30.920 and you. 1:36:30.960 --> 1:36:33.920 Know, identify with him because yeah, he's the kid, he's 1:36:33.920 --> 1:36:38.519 the kid in the book, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:36:39.160 --> 1:36:41.639 Some wonderful times. You know, we had so much fun, 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:43.759 you know, and we were we were like family. 1:36:43.840 --> 1:36:44.200 Anyway. 1:36:44.360 --> 1:36:48.599 You know, we knew those characters, you know, as personal 1:36:48.680 --> 1:36:52.800 friends and their creators you know, were just geniuses. 1:36:53.400 --> 1:36:57.160 Now when you go on sets, like when you showed 1:36:57.240 --> 1:37:00.760 up on SVU, were people extra to see you? 1:37:00.960 --> 1:37:02.160 I'm assuming people. 1:37:02.200 --> 1:37:04.640 Well if they grew up watching Yeah. 1:37:07.400 --> 1:37:10.960 For this one though, did you know Harold's paranow from. 1:37:10.880 --> 1:37:14.280 Oh yes, of course, yeah Harold, yes, yeah. 1:37:14.960 --> 1:37:18.280 Yeah, he was like the main bad guy in this one, 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:21.439 but not really well well no, not in the end, 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:24.640 but yeah, but he you know, the twist is that 1:37:24.720 --> 1:37:28.439 it's not him, but uh, but you are playing this 1:37:28.680 --> 1:37:30.840 cop that they go back to, you know, check on 1:37:31.520 --> 1:37:33.720 your info from when you were and you were like 1:37:33.920 --> 1:37:37.360 really easy, breezy, like I believed you were a cop completely, 1:37:37.560 --> 1:37:39.639 Like I wasn't getting boredon anymore at all. 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:41.240 Like have you been a cop before? 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:44.680 I've played severals? 1:37:44.880 --> 1:37:47.360 Okay, yeah, I think I saw you were on the wire. 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:51.200 You played a car of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, because 1:37:51.200 --> 1:37:53.760 you're just like sliding right into the cop language and 1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:55.920 just talking to them like you were another cop. 1:37:55.960 --> 1:37:58.760 And it was like the very yeah, we need you 1:37:58.960 --> 1:38:01.920 back on SVUS A criminal you know, you played a cop, 1:38:02.040 --> 1:38:03.200 you played a park ranger. 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:04.400 We need you back. 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:06.479 No more. 1:38:06.560 --> 1:38:11.400 Mister, you should really explore your you got to murder 1:38:11.520 --> 1:38:12.479 somebody or something. 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:18.280 Absolutely, hopefully they're listening. Yeah, thank you so much. 1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:20.839 Do you have any other stories from Lawn Order, SVU 1:38:21.240 --> 1:38:24.320 or anything you'd like to share with me? 1:38:25.120 --> 1:38:30.400 It was a long time ago, long yeah yeah, mmmm. 1:38:30.560 --> 1:38:35.360 Well, you know, I love I still love doing live theater, 1:38:35.680 --> 1:38:38.719 and whenever I have have the chance to be on stage, 1:38:39.600 --> 1:38:43.080 you know, whether it's off Broadway, regional theater, you know, 1:38:44.640 --> 1:38:48.080 or Broadway, you know, I just love that experience of 1:38:48.200 --> 1:38:51.240 being with a live audience of people who give you 1:38:51.320 --> 1:38:53.840 all that energy because you know they're in the moment too, 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:56.839 you know, And so that's that's my favorite. 1:38:58.000 --> 1:38:59.840 Well, I hope we see you on a stage too, 1:39:01.160 --> 1:39:02.880 And thank you so much for taking the time to 1:39:03.000 --> 1:39:03.640 talk to us. 1:39:04.080 --> 1:39:11.240 Absolutely, what a sweetie, such a sweet man. 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:15.599 Oh my god, I love Gordon slash Roscoe h slash 1:39:15.680 --> 1:39:18.439 Jerome slash Jerome slash Grandpa. 1:39:19.439 --> 1:39:20.200 I really loved it. 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:22.200 You know what, I just realized I didn't mention in 1:39:22.280 --> 1:39:26.240 the intro that I'm really passionate about. I was with 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:29.599 someone that worked on SVU and I got iced Tea's 1:39:29.680 --> 1:39:31.880 lunch order, texted Cara. 1:39:32.400 --> 1:39:33.080 No response. 1:39:33.760 --> 1:39:36.360 I like, when I looked at the time stamp of it, 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:38.320 it was the second I got on the highway to 1:39:38.400 --> 1:39:40.559 drive two and a half hours back from San Diego 1:39:40.640 --> 1:39:41.160 to LA. 1:39:41.560 --> 1:39:43.840 And then I just forgo. I was like, Lisa's texting 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:46.280 me about like hot dogs and iced tea. I don't 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:48.040 know what's going on. And then I just completely forgot 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:48.519 to respond. 1:39:48.560 --> 1:39:50.840 And later I get the I cannot believe you didn't 1:39:50.880 --> 1:39:53.479 respond to the sext, and I'm like, I'm so sorry. 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:57.760 Well, so, for those wondering, he eats one of three 1:39:57.880 --> 1:40:01.559 things every day for lunch, either two hot talks. One 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:04.040 is a chili cheese, one is a Sauer kraut mustard, 1:40:04.680 --> 1:40:07.680 or he has two slices of pizza, sausage or pepperoni. 1:40:08.280 --> 1:40:13.760 Or he orders a subway sandwich. The meatball sub with 1:40:13.880 --> 1:40:18.120 cheddar a legend. So I just love that he has that, Like, 1:40:18.200 --> 1:40:21.000 if you are that rich and still eating subway, you're 1:40:21.040 --> 1:40:21.559 a real one. 1:40:22.000 --> 1:40:25.200 Like sometimes Carti's husband. Are they married future? 1:40:25.680 --> 1:40:27.960 No, I don't think offset. I don't think they're married. 1:40:28.320 --> 1:40:31.559 I think they're just uh, you know, together. He eats 1:40:31.760 --> 1:40:34.800 like he eats really silly things. 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:37.160 I wish I remember, like he'll make mac and cheese 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:40.200 with ramen noodles and like weird stuff like that, Like 1:40:40.280 --> 1:40:45.080 I like people that's still kind of don't fully change. 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:47.360 Like I'm sure Ice tease eating caviar once in a while. 1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:49.680 Oh wait, I'm an asshole. I just looked it up. 1:40:49.960 --> 1:40:53.280 Cardian Offset got married on my birthday in twenty seventeen, 1:40:53.880 --> 1:40:58.439 and they're still marriage dum according to according to their Yeah, 1:40:58.439 --> 1:40:59.320 according to the Internet. 1:40:59.400 --> 1:41:03.000 So I photos. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think 1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:04.680 we did. I don't think we did. 1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:06.519 I think it was like one of those things they 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:09.080 just got married and oh it says that they did 1:41:09.120 --> 1:41:11.599 it in their apartment on this one episode, this one 1:41:11.920 --> 1:41:15.200 thing I'm on. So but yeah, I love when that 1:41:15.360 --> 1:41:17.600 is funny, when like people like could literally be just 1:41:17.680 --> 1:41:20.160 eating sugarfish sushi, Like they could be eating like the 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:22.720 best of the best, and they're like a subway Meatball's hub, 1:41:22.800 --> 1:41:24.800 give me that yoga matte bread and then putting me 1:41:24.920 --> 1:41:28.160 ball on it, and I want that. But this was 1:41:28.240 --> 1:41:31.360 a this was like another This is a banger of 1:41:31.439 --> 1:41:34.160 an episode. I fucking loved covering it. I don't know 1:41:34.240 --> 1:41:36.479 that there's any like lessons we could learn. Like I 1:41:36.560 --> 1:41:38.439 think it's like the lesson is like you're always going 1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:40.080 to get caught, even if you think you did it, 1:41:40.240 --> 1:41:43.080 like you got away with something. I feel like you're 1:41:43.080 --> 1:41:45.240 always gonna get caught. Like there's all these killers that 1:41:45.320 --> 1:41:50.000 we find decades later, you know, Golden State BTK, Like 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:54.200 even people that didn't taunt the cops are getting caught. 1:41:54.520 --> 1:41:58.519 So just if you're listening to this podcast and you're 1:41:58.560 --> 1:42:01.640 a fucking murderer, you should know they're gonna find you. 1:42:03.240 --> 1:42:08.200 Yeah, just release it. Take the bricks on her shoulders, shoulders, babes. 1:42:09.720 --> 1:42:09.960 Yeah. 1:42:10.000 --> 1:42:12.040 But we also this is a lesson we learned time 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:14.680 and time again. Cops are not to be trusted. They 1:42:14.720 --> 1:42:18.799 will lie to protect themselves, they will do whatever it takes, 1:42:19.080 --> 1:42:23.360 like it truly so bad at their jobs, refusing to 1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:27.360 see outside of their opinions or actually do work, or 1:42:27.520 --> 1:42:30.680 listen to grieving parents trying to find the killers of. 1:42:30.720 --> 1:42:33.000 Their daughter, like they're truly trash. 1:42:33.120 --> 1:42:35.519 So I think we learned that, and we learned if 1:42:35.560 --> 1:42:38.280 you want to cost someone, we're a tube top, make 1:42:38.320 --> 1:42:40.479 a steak, yes, put. 1:42:40.320 --> 1:42:42.800 Those shorty shorts on, a little bit of that ass 1:42:42.840 --> 1:42:44.840 hanging out and get a tube top on and then 1:42:44.920 --> 1:42:46.519 get over to that girl's place and say if I 1:42:46.560 --> 1:42:47.679 can't have him, no one will. 1:42:47.720 --> 1:42:49.160 But then just don't murder her. And I know you 1:42:49.280 --> 1:42:52.040 guys wanted who's playing this person? 1:42:52.200 --> 1:42:53.960 We'll do a pole. I didn't even think I can. 1:42:54.120 --> 1:42:56.040 I know, I can't. I can't think. Okay, I can't 1:42:56.040 --> 1:42:57.360 think of it. She like looks so nuts. 1:42:57.360 --> 1:42:59.479 You know what, I bet Sandra Bullet could do a 1:42:59.560 --> 1:43:03.439 fun job kind of like you know, Sandy Bullock, playing 1:43:03.520 --> 1:43:04.600 like someone unhinged. 1:43:04.680 --> 1:43:06.599 She's never done that. I think that would be fun. 1:43:06.840 --> 1:43:09.040 She's a little un hinged in forces of nature, but 1:43:09.120 --> 1:43:12.720 not in a bad way. Yeah, not in a bad way. Yeah. 1:43:13.400 --> 1:43:14.960 So let's move on to what was Sister peg Do? 1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:17.080 Which is our weekly segment where we give you, guys 1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:20.920 an article, an organization, a book, something to give you 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:22.920 more information about what we talked about today. And we 1:43:22.960 --> 1:43:25.760 want to direct you actually today to another podcast, not 1:43:26.439 --> 1:43:28.440 you know, don't leave us, but this is an episode 1:43:28.720 --> 1:43:31.839 Wicked Words, which is a podcast on our beloved Exactly 1:43:31.920 --> 1:43:37.400 Right Network where the host Kate interviews Matt McGoff. I 1:43:37.439 --> 1:43:39.200 think that's how you say his last name, Matt McGoff 1:43:39.520 --> 1:43:43.479 about his book The Lazarus Files, and we will link 1:43:43.520 --> 1:43:45.679 to that if you want more info from him, because 1:43:45.720 --> 1:43:47.479 he's really like the expert on this. I could never 1:43:47.560 --> 1:43:50.240 cover what he covered in nine years of researching this case. 1:43:51.000 --> 1:43:53.720 So definitely check out that episode. We will have it 1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:56.680 in our show notes of course, and it will be 1:43:57.080 --> 1:44:00.920 in our Instagram highlight titled what would Sister Peg Do 1:44:01.080 --> 1:44:02.799 WWSPD amazing. 1:44:02.880 --> 1:44:05.080 Thank you so much, I really want I don't know. 1:44:05.200 --> 1:44:07.960 Yeah, this is a wild case and I've bet lots 1:44:08.000 --> 1:44:11.160 of you want to know more like it is so interesting, So. 1:44:11.360 --> 1:44:14.240 Thank you for that. 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