WEBVTT - Painting a Rotten House

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to okate F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's show, we get into a conversation with our friend,

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<v Speaker 1>our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, and we talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him about the kind of stages of grief that

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<v Speaker 1>we continue to find ourselves in three weeks removed from

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<v Speaker 1>this election, and what is it going to take for

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<v Speaker 1>us to be able to navigate through and to find

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<v Speaker 1>the strength again to imagine what resistance looks like in

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<v Speaker 1>the new Trump regime. I think that it's important, and

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<v Speaker 1>I say this in the interview with Jonathan, that we

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<v Speaker 1>actually take this time to feel our feelings, that we

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<v Speaker 1>take this time not to do a series of finger

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<v Speaker 1>pointing or the ways in which you know, this policy

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<v Speaker 1>measure wasn't talked about enough, or that policy measure wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>talked about enough, but actually really feeling the grief and

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<v Speaker 1>the disappointment and the anger that many feel towards half

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<v Speaker 1>of this country right now, this kind of disorientation around

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<v Speaker 1>who we are and who we will be over the

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<v Speaker 1>next several years under the Trump regime. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we find our way back in this moment

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<v Speaker 1>of darkness, back to the light. What does it mean

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<v Speaker 1>to do that? And so Jonathan and I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go through this conversation because, as I've said to all

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<v Speaker 1>of you, I am in the midst of feeling a

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<v Speaker 1>whole host of things where I feel one that the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party is as responsible for getting us to this

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<v Speaker 1>position as the Republican Party is, and that maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>is time for a multi party system. But do we

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<v Speaker 1>jump right into the fixing and the doing before we

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<v Speaker 1>actually move through the feeling. So that conversation with Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>is coming up next, folks. You know that whenever we

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<v Speaker 1>have the opportunity to sit down with our in house doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Jonathan Metzel, we are always thrilled for the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to get your analysis. Jonathan. We are three weeks removed

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<v Speaker 1>from the election, and I'm gonna be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't seem to move in a straight line on this.

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<v Speaker 1>I am up and down. I'm not in a place

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<v Speaker 1>of how could this happen? I'm just like, there is

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<v Speaker 1>just this overwhelming sense of grief around America right now

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<v Speaker 1>that I have, and also just the desire to really disconnect.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to ask you, like about kind of

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<v Speaker 1>this process. Is it like going through and maneuvering through

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<v Speaker 1>an unexpected death, Like is it like dealing with news

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<v Speaker 1>that a family member is ailing and they're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to make it? Like how do you make sense of

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<v Speaker 1>these feelings?

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<v Speaker 2>If you talk to people on the right, they're very

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<v Speaker 2>energized right now, they're very optimistic, they're very upbeat. They

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<v Speaker 2>won the game, right and our side loss, and so

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<v Speaker 2>the question is like, how do you respond to that?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm seeing a number of different responses. One is,

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<v Speaker 2>as we've seen a lot of finger pointing. Another is,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've seen this so widely. This is just me

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<v Speaker 2>talking as a person, not as a researcher, disengagement or disbelief,

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<v Speaker 2>like so many people are like, Oh, it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be that bad, it's not going to be that different,

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<v Speaker 2>Like a kind of acceptance minimizing and then the resistance

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of stuff like we saw before, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I find actually the minimize I mean, of

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<v Speaker 2>course an emotional roll crushure too, because everybody's just tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we had this huge election, and remember the feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like when you won an election, you feel great, You're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get started. It's energy and that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But now we have the opposite, which is we got

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<v Speaker 2>our best kicked, and so there's a sense of helplessness.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a sense of I worked so hard and I

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing to show for it. There's just a resignation

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<v Speaker 2>all those things. And I don't know, I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 2>all seem like normal human responses honestly to the situation

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<v Speaker 2>we're in right now. But I guess I think I've

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned this before, but like, I have a colleague who's

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<v Speaker 2>from a country that was a democracy and turned into

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<v Speaker 2>a totalitarian regime actually, and a couple of friends from

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<v Speaker 2>different places, one in Europe when in Asia specifically, I

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<v Speaker 2>always ask them, like, what's it like when you're thriving

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<v Speaker 2>democracy became single party rule telleritarian thing and people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>both people I've really stuck talked to a length about

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<v Speaker 2>this said, the scariest thing is not like the resistance

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<v Speaker 2>was crushed. We kind of saw that happening. It was

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<v Speaker 2>more that kind of people just kind of accepted it.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of impacted their like was there an apathy

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<v Speaker 1>would that be the word or not? Apathy?

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<v Speaker 2>Like resignation. All of a sudden, people were like different.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like remember in twenty sixteen when Trump pointed

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<v Speaker 2>people were like out there in the streets and in

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<v Speaker 2>march and all these kind of things. But now like

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<v Speaker 2>many of the things Trump says make kind of sense

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<v Speaker 2>to people, or people minimize it or they're afraid and

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<v Speaker 2>they just want the bad stuff not to happen to them.

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<v Speaker 2>And we hear this a lot, right, We hear this

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, and so the question is kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>do you do in the face of that? But I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one of my colleagues told me people just

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<v Speaker 2>accepted it as their daily life. They started to do

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they needed to survive, and people I never would

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<v Speaker 2>have expected started telling on their neighbors. And that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what happens. Is people are in this system and

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<v Speaker 2>then the system changes, and then I don't know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>not related, but I'm thinking, like, for example, about those

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<v Speaker 2>democracy protesters in Hong Kong right now. For example, ten

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, who could ever imagine Hong Kong was a

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<v Speaker 2>thriving democracy and there's no way China would upend that

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<v Speaker 2>because it was such a great financial boom and China

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<v Speaker 2>would never commit like economic suicide. That would be totally irrational.

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<v Speaker 2>And now all those protesters are in trial or in

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<v Speaker 2>prison or things like that. China's not doing great economically,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was the price that they paid to enrich

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<v Speaker 2>certain people and create power for certain people. And Hong

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<v Speaker 2>Kong is still there, but it's a shell of what

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<v Speaker 2>it was economically before. And so you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>the logic through which people say, oh, this is never

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen turns out not to not to be

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<v Speaker 2>the logic that actually works.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'm wondering, is it's never going to happen or

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to be that bad? Is that self protection?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it disassociation? Given that history is in fact, like

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<v Speaker 1>a really good guide in this place. And again, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying that things will dramatically, to your point, change

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<v Speaker 1>in twelve months, but they will this slow, this creeping

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<v Speaker 1>fascism that I think has been creeping for the last

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<v Speaker 1>nine years. Is it self protection, the disassociation, the belief

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<v Speaker 1>that it couldn't possibly or it won't be that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a form that people are taking in order

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of steal themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think there are two ways to think about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, of course people feel defeated, and they feel resigned,

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<v Speaker 2>and they feel exhausted. The answer that I find frustration

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<v Speaker 2>with is like people thinking that this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the same as what happened in twenty sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>it ain't.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going We're in a different world right now. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I've had talked to numerous people who

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<v Speaker 2>are like, oh, it's just the same as twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>and we got through it and stuff like that. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but the challenge is really different right now. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a much different entity than Trump taking over while all

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<v Speaker 2>of the guardrails were still in place in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not the case now. I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 2>look just at what the Supreme Court by itself, Alito

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<v Speaker 2>and on down are aiming to do with many core

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<v Speaker 2>foundations of education, reproductive rates, guns, all those kind of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this is not twenty sixteen. And so I've been

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<v Speaker 2>trying to explain to people, hey, look, man, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot different right now. But I think the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>is we have to look at ourselves. I think that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm just thinking of Jason Stanley's book about

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<v Speaker 2>the rise of authoritarianism, and one of the most important

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<v Speaker 2>things for that to rise is a fractured opposition. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I think it's really a time also for us

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<v Speaker 2>to really look at our if you're not in the

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<v Speaker 2>governing party right now, look at ways. You know, we

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<v Speaker 2>have to rebuild a coherent, almost monolithic opposition or we're

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<v Speaker 2>just going to keep getting fragmented. And so I think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's also a chance to reflect on ourselves, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think strategy going forward is really important.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's really funny is that no one that

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<v Speaker 1>I am talking to is in strategy mode. They're in shock,

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<v Speaker 1>they're in protection mode, they're in cya mode. There is

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of forward thinking. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there is just this place of emotional and physical haze

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<v Speaker 1>that has come from the last hundred and some odd

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<v Speaker 1>days of like utter exhaustion. And I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump and Steve Bannon's strategy of flooding the zone

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<v Speaker 1>has been like a tsunami. Even as we're going through

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<v Speaker 1>each and every single appointment and each person that's coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a video yesterday and I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be honest I actually don't care. I

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<v Speaker 1>am in a place of like he could appoint Daffy

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<v Speaker 1>Duck at this point, and I actually don't give a fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, it is a genuine numbness, like I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the point of following each and every single

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<v Speaker 1>one of these appointments? What's the point in following every

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<v Speaker 1>single bouncing ball that Donald Trump and this administration is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be putting out? Where's the end? And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think that obviously there are people that are doing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of protectionism, particularly those in the nonprofit arena,

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<v Speaker 1>given that you know, their entire organizations could potentially be

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<v Speaker 1>shut down and name this terrorist organizations and then just

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<v Speaker 1>go from there and what happens to those people and

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<v Speaker 1>those entities and then the people that they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to help and protect. But I don't know, there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of forward thinking, And I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>both worries me and I also completely understand it because

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<v Speaker 1>I think that a lot of people, particularly black women,

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<v Speaker 1>are just like, well, you wanted this, so go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Like I'm not engaging at the level or

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<v Speaker 1>with the intensity that I did in twenty sixteen or

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<v Speaker 1>that I did in twenty twenty, Like, I don't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so delicate right now, you know, honestly, because the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats lost for a number of reasons. I mean, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>didn't overperform, We underperformed. And so the question is how

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<v Speaker 2>did our coalition fall apart? And was that the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the coalition or not? And so I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of reckoning that will happen. I also think

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<v Speaker 2>that as the impact of what's going to happen on

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<v Speaker 2>people's daily lives becomes more real, people hopefully will become

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<v Speaker 2>more energized. But maybe that's not the case. Maybe people

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<v Speaker 2>are afraid and exhausted and resigned, and that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just think something has to happen, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>now is not the time. And you know, it's the holidays.

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<v Speaker 2>People are tired. We lost. I hope we rebuilt. I

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<v Speaker 2>really knew. But I would love it if he appointed

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<v Speaker 2>Daffy Duck to me. That would be a game changer.

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<v Speaker 2>I would actually about that. So if Daffy Ducks are

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<v Speaker 2>the cards to me, that would change everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I will say this though, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>your point, like Democrats were not shellacked in this election.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the narrowest margin of a win in modern times.

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<v Speaker 1>He's under fifty percent in the popular vote, like it

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<v Speaker 1>was such a narrow win. So I will push back

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<v Speaker 1>on the coalition collapsing, because that would have been like

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<v Speaker 1>if this had been a title wave. It wasn't. There

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<v Speaker 1>were a number of people, millions of people that did

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<v Speaker 1>not engage at all in this election, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that is for a number of reasons, as is

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<v Speaker 1>the case with every presidential election, where everyone that has

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to vote does not vote.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me let me be clear, then I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you. I think that going forward, what's going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen is that people are going to have different stakes

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<v Speaker 2>in what's happening, and so people who are wealthy are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do better, people who are white are potentially going

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<v Speaker 2>to do better. As these immigration crackdowns start happening, people

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<v Speaker 2>are going to either think I'm out there, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take a risk, or it's not happening to me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to stay home, and that kind of thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I guess I would hold by the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>there were fault lines that helped contribute to our underperformance

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<v Speaker 2>in this election, even though we was again a close election.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't win the election, and we didn't win a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of congressional and Senate seats that we probably should have,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I do think that there were fault lines

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<v Speaker 2>that we just don't have the luxury of having anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>like either we're on the same team or we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>And so creating a narrative about that, I think is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be important because I just again, I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't think we have a luxury of hashtag dismantle anything

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. And agree, I agree with you, it's close,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm saying that as the effects of NBC potentially

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<v Speaker 2>going away and squashing the Department of Education and then

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<v Speaker 2>doing all these things in a way, it's just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be harder to build that coalition, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>fracturing is going to you know, we just have to

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<v Speaker 2>be careful that the fracturing is not just about self

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<v Speaker 2>interest but is about mobilization, which I think is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's my thing. One of the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>have been kind of reframing myself around these systems don't work,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've never worked for black people, for people of color,

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<v Speaker 1>for women. We've taken incremental changes and growth and have

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<v Speaker 1>made them bigger than they are. When we look at

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<v Speaker 1>the institutions that are going to be destroyed, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sitting here Jonathan these days, and I'm just like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if your life expectancy, your viability, economic viability can all

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<v Speaker 1>be determined by your zip code, by what elementary school

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<v Speaker 1>and high school you went to, by your geographical location,

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<v Speaker 1>and that continues to be a serious determining factor, then

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<v Speaker 1>like the systems that were put in place to lift

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<v Speaker 1>people up haven't when I look at like the difference

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of education just in blocks in Brooklyn alone, right,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on what area, what neighborhood in Brooklyn you are,

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<v Speaker 1>if your child was able to get into a Magnet school,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're you know, or you're in a regular public school,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever determines everything. So in a way, I'm at a

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<v Speaker 1>place where I'm just like, well, he's going to destroy everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've been painting a rotten house for generations and

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen the racial wealth gap, haven't seen the gender gap,

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen any of these things decrease with any significance.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think that for some of the people

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<v Speaker 1>that did stay home, they're taking some not all. Some

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't give a fuck at all, but some were

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<v Speaker 1>looking at this and saying, tell me what the serious

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<v Speaker 1>differences have been. And at some point, maybe things just

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<v Speaker 1>do need to be destroyed. Unfortunately, maybe there does need

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<v Speaker 1>to be a significant loss of life for there to

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<v Speaker 1>be a jarring out of like this complacency, out of

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<v Speaker 1>this malaise of incrementalization.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I have talked about this before, Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>think the frustration is something that you and I can

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<v Speaker 2>both see, right. I mean, it wasn't just that people

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<v Speaker 2>stayed home. Plenty of working less people and people of

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<v Speaker 2>color voted for Trump, and so that frustration is something

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<v Speaker 2>that he really tapped into well by and spent a

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<v Speaker 2>long time telling everybody the economy was great and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't great for them. And so I think part of

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<v Speaker 2>that issue is you and I talked about like the

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<v Speaker 2>politics of joy, but I don't know the Republicans one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent attack ADS and so we were on the

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<v Speaker 2>defense the entire time, and so what you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>is real, of course is real. But again, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so wary of the politics of burning everything down

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<v Speaker 2>because that imagines that we're going to build back a

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<v Speaker 2>better system.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no. What I'm saying is that we are

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<v Speaker 1>not going to build back a better system. Somebody will.

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<v Speaker 1>And it isn't our politics of burning things down. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the politics that has now been elected whose plans are

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<v Speaker 1>and strategy is to burn everything down. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>have no mechanism of power, not in the House, not

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<v Speaker 1>in the Senate, the people themselves are tired and exhausted.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not the mentality of like, oh, let us

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<v Speaker 1>get into like this is what their plan is. And

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<v Speaker 1>so my thing is like, no, we this generation that

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<v Speaker 1>is here right now is not going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the rebuild because there's going to be decades

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<v Speaker 1>a generation of destruction and darkness that is coming. But

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<v Speaker 1>at some point, as waters recede, there is a billback phase.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'm saying is that the majority of us

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<v Speaker 1>won't be here for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I need Daffie Duck, honestly, right, I need

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<v Speaker 2>that again, Like this is our moment. It just feels

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<v Speaker 2>like crap. And then honestly, man, we need a narrative,

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<v Speaker 2>like we need a unifying narrative. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to figure out study what other people have done.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, we need a narrative that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>brings it back together. If the Democrats are not the

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<v Speaker 2>party of the mainstream or the working class or people

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<v Speaker 2>who are. I mean, we just don't have a narrative

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<v Speaker 2>right now. So we need a narrative. And often narratives

0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.200
<v Speaker 2>are defined in opposition. And so if Trump overplays his hand,

0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.040
<v Speaker 2>it's easier to have a resistance narrative than when we

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<v Speaker 2>just don't have a narrative right now. And so we're

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<v Speaker 2>scrambling and terrified. And as you say, the issues for

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<v Speaker 2>which you and I and many other people have fought

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<v Speaker 2>for lives are serious risk right now. We've got to

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<v Speaker 2>figure something out. We've got to figure something out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that at some point something will

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<v Speaker 1>be figured out. But I think that what I encourage

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<v Speaker 1>people to do is kind of move through their feelings

0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and emotions at this point, because that's really all there

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<v Speaker 1>is to do. And I think that where our problem

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<v Speaker 1>comes is consistently in this rush to you know, build

0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the plane while flying it. And I think that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at a point at least today, this week and this

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<v Speaker 1>month where I'm just like, yeah, I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 1>doing both, and like I actually just feel like sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in this and seeing how it unfolds before I spring

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<v Speaker 1>into action. And I think that there needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>a deeper analysis and reflection before there is a new

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<v Speaker 1>strategy and a message.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you there. It's Thanksgiving. Everybody, take a breath,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we can figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>We will as always, my friend, Jonathan, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>making the time for wokf appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hang in there, We'll get back on our feet. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just going to take a minute kind of realizing what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening right now. One hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me today. Here folks on wokef

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<v Speaker 1>as always. Power to the people and to all the people. Power,

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<v Speaker 1>get woke and stay woke as fuck.