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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie.

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Speaker 1: You know, the other day I was feeling, uh, feeling

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Speaker 1: kind of like a bundle of nerves, and so after

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Speaker 1: work I decided to to go to the local y

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Speaker 1: this class. Yeah, yeah, you just go in as a priest.

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Speaker 1: They just retry it in, pull the demon out of you.

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Speaker 1: That's cos you know, you're angst and then wham, the

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Speaker 1: rest of the evening you're just you know, carefree, laid back.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't it end in laughter yoga? Well, laughter yoga's next door,

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Speaker 1: but it's why so you can hear it. And it's

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Speaker 1: kind of hard sometimes to figure out which classes which,

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Speaker 1: Yeah is it exorcism, is it the laughter yoga? Is

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Speaker 1: it the children's karate class? I don't know. It all

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Speaker 1: kind of mills together. Yeah, yeah, well that's the wife

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Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, but I jove exorcism. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people arguing it's not quite to the point yet where

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Speaker 1: you can go and take it at the y But

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of folks getting the devil yanked

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Speaker 1: out of him by various holy people. It's true. In

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Speaker 1: a two thousand and five gallop pole, they found that

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Speaker 1: of Americans believe that quote people on this earth are

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Speaker 1: sometimes possessed by the devil unquote. And they didn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: go and put this in their um straight up findings

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Speaker 1: as they normally do, because they couldn't quite construe what

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Speaker 1: that meant. The gallop pole was like, m do they

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Speaker 1: mean metaphorically possessed by the devil? Do they truly think this?

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Speaker 1: And yet there that figure stands. Yeah, I mean because

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Speaker 1: you can say, like, well, hey, that that guitarist, he

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Speaker 1: is a man possessed up there in the stage, But

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you actually think that the Lord of

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Speaker 1: Hell has inhabited his body to enable more creative guitar playing.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yes, Um, that's my own personal thing when

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Speaker 1: I'm when I'm exercising myself out to be as a bulb.

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Speaker 1: How do you exercise yourself? Do you like you have

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Speaker 1: like a prerecorded video mirror mirror? But then you can't

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Speaker 1: exercise yourself if you're possessed, Right, that's the devil exercising itself. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Robert. It seems to me like there

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Speaker 1: are all sorts of rules here with this whole exorcism thing,

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in a little bit. But um,

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Speaker 1: but I think that's piqued our interests because it actually

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Speaker 1: has been on the rise exorcisms. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we're at heart of science podcasts, so obviously we're not

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Speaker 1: going to be We're not asking the question are these

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Speaker 1: people really being possessed by demonic creatures from other planes

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Speaker 1: of existence? I'm just gonna go ahead and say, no,

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Speaker 1: that's not actually happening. But but that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: what's happening isn't real in in some senses, and isn't

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Speaker 1: really fascinating you to try and figure out, Yeah, why

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Speaker 1: someone would think they were possessed or another person would

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Speaker 1: tag that person is being in the same that we've

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Speaker 1: we've talked about alien abduction encounters, and you know, we're

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Speaker 1: pretty sure on the fact that and we definitely approached

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Speaker 1: the topic from the standpoint of no, they're not being

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Speaker 1: abducted by extraterrestrials and probed upon. But but what is

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Speaker 1: going on is interesting in terms of of their of

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Speaker 1: what's going on in their brain, how they're interpreting it,

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Speaker 1: how they're weaving it into their worldview. And there's some

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Speaker 1: similar stuff to discuss with exorcism. Yeah, and so we'll

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Speaker 1: be talking about that, We'll be talking about why it's

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Speaker 1: on the rise, We'll talk about what Mother Teresa has

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Speaker 1: to do with it, and why they can actually be really,

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Speaker 1: really dangerous. Yeah, and there's a as far as exorcism

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Speaker 1: goes again, ancient rights of exorcism exist in various cultures

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Speaker 1: throughout the world. It basically comes down to ideas that

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Speaker 1: there is an evil foreign force, spirit, a demon um

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Speaker 1: they're you know, various versions of this have inhabited somebody's

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Speaker 1: body and it needs to be removed, either sucked out

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Speaker 1: or banished um dependent by somebody who is holy. Now,

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Speaker 1: most people are pretty familiar with the with of course,

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Speaker 1: the movie The Exorcist or some of these more recent

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Speaker 1: exorcism movies that have made the rounds, and that's a

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Speaker 1: very you know, iconic vision of the the Catholic priest,

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Speaker 1: to day basis. That's right, that's just what I call it.

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Speaker 1: As male priests are freaking out, you guys are just

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Speaker 1: like Tuesday, right exactly. But yeah, I mean that is

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Speaker 1: the thing that I think most people refer to, and

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Speaker 1: it is a terrifying movie. Yeah, but not to get

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Speaker 1: reference earlier in the film. Like, I think it's a

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Speaker 1: great film, but I think the moments that work best

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Speaker 1: we have to talk about it. It's huge in in

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Speaker 1: But then there are there are various other cultures. UM

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Speaker 1: two thousand nine, just to just to give you just

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Speaker 1: a taste of another world of exercism. Uh. In two

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Speaker 1: thousand nine, uh Uh, famed Israeli master of the Kabbala,

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Speaker 1: Rabbi uh Dovid Batsori, attempted to remove a debuck. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Brazilian man via the internet, like via via Skype, which

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Speaker 1: I which I really love because because we were talking

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Speaker 1: and I was like, well, you know, people do um

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Speaker 1: do exorcism through Skype. It seems possible. And sure enough, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you have this. That's the story that also

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Speaker 1: singing yeah. And then what was There's some quote that

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Speaker 1: so they both claim to have heard the carp speaking

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Speaker 1: like whoa, why was the dude on marta stare at

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Speaker 1: it removed. And then a female healer would actually take

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Speaker 1: so you mean they're very all these different purging rituals. Um.

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Speaker 1: of religions um, Islam, Hinduism, but we mostly think of

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Speaker 1: it in the Roman Catholic Church. And they define um

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Speaker 1: a sort of possession to look like something like this,

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Speaker 1: noting that none of those things are are super natural.

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Speaker 1: a book series of my brother and I just consumed

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Speaker 1: when I was very little and very little eight or

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Speaker 1: ten or something, um, and was completely obsessed with with

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Speaker 1: the occult and and all these different things. So I

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Speaker 1: think it's a I think it's an interesting way to

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Speaker 1: go about it. I think where it gets dangerous and

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Speaker 1: problematic is when uh, exorcism is foisted upon people who

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Speaker 1: don't really have a voice for themselves, and that can

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Speaker 1: be kids and teenagers and certainly mentally folks. And they've

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Speaker 1: been deaths. I mean, there's been like I was, I

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Speaker 1: think I mentioned earlier how saltwater sometimes used. There have

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Speaker 1: been people who have died from saltwater poisoning due to

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Speaker 1: exorcisms people have I mean, it's you can do a

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Speaker 1: Google news search and you'll find some rather harrowing results.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there's there's a laundry list of of

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Speaker 1: different ways that people have died, and unfortunately a lot

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Speaker 1: of kids too, with the hands usually of their parents. UM.

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Speaker 1: And of course the Catholic Church will tell you, okay,

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Speaker 1: well we screen, but again it's up for interpretation. And

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Speaker 1: in the earlier days, like in the seventies, I think

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Speaker 1: they were looking for people who had epilepsy and saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: well they must be epileptic. They don't worry there, you're

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Speaker 1: not possessed. But there wasn't really a good understanding of

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Speaker 1: mental illness or even something like Tourette Um. So you

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Speaker 1: know if you if you had Tourette syndrome and like

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Speaker 1: teen fifty you have, you know that you might be

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Speaker 1: an atmosphere where that cultural script said that you were possessed.

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Speaker 1: But I mean recently there have been deaths um. I

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Speaker 1: think one of the most famous ones is annalyse Michelle.

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Speaker 1: This is a twenty two year old German woman who

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Speaker 1: died from starvation and dehydration and underwent sixty seven exorcisms

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Speaker 1: over a year and a half period. Uh yeah, by

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Speaker 1: the church, um I should add. And then there were

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Speaker 1: Pentecostal ministers in San Francisco who pummeled a woman to

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Speaker 1: death in nine as they tried to drive out her demons. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventeen year old girl was suffocated by her

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Speaker 1: mom with a plastic bag in effort to destroy the

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Speaker 1: demon inside her. And most recently, a two year old

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Speaker 1: died um in Fort Wayne, Indiana this year from an

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Speaker 1: exorcism exorcism performed by his mother. And I won't go

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Speaker 1: into details because it's terribly depressing. Sorry, sorry, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's important just to throw that out that, um,

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Speaker 1: there has been an uptick in exorcism. So it's that's

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Speaker 1: why I think you have to look at it as

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Speaker 1: a whole and say, Okay, here's the metaphorical part, not

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Speaker 1: not a problem. You know, kids working things out, um,

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Speaker 1: people working things out for themselves on a metaphorical level.

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Speaker 1: Here's the physical level where it can go way too far.

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Speaker 1: And this cognitive dissonance really becomes a problem if you

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Speaker 1: submit yourself to that level where you say, okay, I

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Speaker 1: submit my mind in my body to this act um.

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Speaker 1: And actually the uptaking exorcism is happening here in the

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Speaker 1: United States and Poland, in Mexico as well, and in

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Speaker 1: a November article in The New York Times called for

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Speaker 1: Catholics interest and exorcism is revived. UH says priests say

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Speaker 1: they're overwhelmed with requests for exorcisms in the US. Conferences

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Speaker 1: have been held to prepare more priests and bishops for exorcisms. UM.

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Speaker 1: A recent UH conference they had sixty six priests and

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Speaker 1: fifty six bishops turn out, and the goal was for

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Speaker 1: each diocese to have someone who could at least screen request.

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Speaker 1: So the Catholic Church will say, though, that the purposes

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Speaker 1: not necessarily to revive the practice, but to help Catholic

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Speaker 1: clergy members learn how to distinguish who really needs an

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Speaker 1: exorcism from who really needs a psychiatrist or pastoral care.

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Speaker 1: M okay, which I still think, Okay, well, all that's interesting,

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Speaker 1: and yet it does seem like a practice that is

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Speaker 1: should have maybe gone away within the age of horse

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Speaker 1: and buggies and uh. And then there's the whole point

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Speaker 1: that Pope Benedict sixteenth has been returning to more sort

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Speaker 1: of classical um, I guess ways of looking at the

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Speaker 1: church and um and caring for its church members. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess I would. I would hope that most people

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Speaker 1: that would come in seeking an exorcism would be it

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Speaker 1: would would be advised to pursue various other treatments. It

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Speaker 1: just seems I just I do hate to think of

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Speaker 1: somebody with any kind of legitimate problem being referred to

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Speaker 1: the exorcist. Yeah. Yeah, and this this art coal it said, um,

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Speaker 1: this man by doctor Apple be a longtime observer of

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Speaker 1: the bishop said, what they're trying to do in restoring

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Speaker 1: exorcisms is to strengthen enhance what seems to be lost

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Speaker 1: in the church, which is the sense that the church

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Speaker 1: is not like any other institution. It's supernatural, and the

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Speaker 1: key players in that our heart are the hierarchy and

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Speaker 1: the priests who can be given the faculties of exorcism. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, the syneca me says that it's just it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a bit of a power thing. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I can't get too into hole into them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm as discussing the past. I'm all open

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Speaker 1: for like the you know, the positive aspects of various religions,

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Speaker 1: you know, take take what you want and run with them.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, when you start throwing devils into

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Speaker 1: the whole mix, it gets a little problematic in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: it does. It doesn't. Like I said, for the metaphorical part,

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Speaker 1: I'm all for that, this sort of like proto psychotherapy

519
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: of hey, let's let's work this out with this part amount. Uh,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, when it reaches the physical realm, it's a

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Speaker 1: bit problematic. Um. Mother Teresa, did you know that she

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Speaker 1: had an exorcism performed on her. This was late in life, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she underwent an exorcism after a bout of insomnia was

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Speaker 1: blamed on the devil, so says the Archbishop of Calcutta,

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Speaker 1: Henry Sebastian Disusa, who happened to be in the hospital

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Speaker 1: with her at the same time. And she would had

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Speaker 1: been admitted for heart problems before her death in September,

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Speaker 1: And so when doctors couldn't find a medical reason for

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Speaker 1: her sleeplessness, he thought that she was being attacked by

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Speaker 1: the devil and he wanted her to calm down, and

531
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Speaker 1: so he went to her and said, would you like

532
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Speaker 1: to have an exorcism performed on you? And she said, okay, sure.

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Speaker 1: Well I guess there are two ways of looking to seither.

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Speaker 1: This is outrageous because Mother Teresa was you know, great woman,

535
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Speaker 1: did all this work, Beacon of light, beacon of light,

536
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Speaker 1: you know, super holy. Why would she have to deal

537
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Speaker 1: with this especially right, you know, right, why would the

538
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Speaker 1: devil dog her now? But then also you could look

539
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Speaker 1: at it, well, she's super you know, um hooked into

540
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Speaker 1: all into the spiritual world. You know, she's like a

541
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Speaker 1: So she's kind of like a computer running without firewalls

542
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Speaker 1: or virus protection, and so if she gets one bad

543
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 1: email in it could it could mess up the whole system.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and he claims that she she was

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Speaker 1: fine afterward, and um, the all they did was a

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Speaker 1: prayer of protection, So it wasn't like they were I

547
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Speaker 1: imagine I wasn't there. I haven't read any accounts, but

548
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Speaker 1: I would like to think that they were just sort

549
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Speaker 1: of saying the prayer and not um not like for

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Speaker 1: four hours screaming in her Yeah. Maybe maybe she got

551
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: an abbreviated version. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, someone was

552
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: standing over you for four hours screaming prayers in your face.

553
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Speaker 1: Do you think you get so upset that you would vomit? Maybe?

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm just saying like, this is when the

555
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Speaker 1: hallmarks too, right. I mean I get kind of auntie

556
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Speaker 1: if I have to set still for you know, over

557
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Speaker 1: a half hour. So yeah, I imagine it would be

558
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Speaker 1: pretty rough. Yeah. I'm just thinking about it because especially

559
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Speaker 1: if the expercis wouldn't let me like check my my iPhone,

560
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Speaker 1: and then I would be like, ah, this is the worst.

561
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Speaker 1: Maybe I am possessed by the devil. I'm just thinking that,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's certainly something that could get

563
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Speaker 1: a person riled up and start behaving unusually, if if

564
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Speaker 1: they didn't already have some sort of pre existing condition

565
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: that would exacerbate that. But anyway, did you know also

566
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Speaker 1: that the Pope has a chief exorcist? Oh? I bet

567
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: he does. Yes, of course he does. Um. And his

568
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Speaker 1: name is Father Kirila and Morth and he has carried

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Speaker 1: out more than seventy thousand exorcisms in a career spanning

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Speaker 1: twenty four years. Wow. Do you think there's ever like

571
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Speaker 1: a big Vatican like Christmas party? And because I'm just thinking, like, uh, um,

572
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Speaker 1: our friend guy, the Vatican astronomer and protector of that

573
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: does he is the guy who protects the meteorite collection.

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Speaker 1: I mean that maybe another dude, but all right, So

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Speaker 1: so imagine the Christmas party where uh, for a guy

576
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Speaker 1: walks up and then he runs into the the exercy.

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00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, guy, I'm in charge of keeping an

578
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: eye on the cosmos for for for the Vatican, and

579
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, and these are my science credentials. What do

580
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: you do? Well? I cast the devil out of people.

581
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: You know, those guys are not gonna sit probably next

582
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Speaker 1: to each other at the Christmas dinner. Like I can

583
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Speaker 1: tell you that they probably whoever was planning the event

584
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Speaker 1: was like, do not put these two together because this

585
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: opposite ends the where the Catholic churches in modern time. Yeah,

586
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: because they're like Father and MOR's going to start saying

587
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: that this thing again, this, this is actually quite from

588
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: We have cardinals who don't believe in Christ, bishops connected

589
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: with demons. Then we have these stories of pedophilia. You

590
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: can see the rot when we speak of Satan's smoke

591
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: in the Holy rooms of the Vatican. So he feels like,

592
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: I mean to him, like the Satan's around and this

593
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: is the reason for all the horrible things that have

594
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: happened to people in into the Roman Catholic Church. Yeah,

595
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: well it certainly takes the heat off of people. Yeah,

596
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: but definitely do not put consulmar me mis dude together. Yeah.

597
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: All right, Well well that let's let's exercise some listener

598
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: mail mail bag here, it's getting a little backed up.

599
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Let's get a little coffee. Yeah, we have one here

600
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Speaker 1: from a listener by the name of Alicia and Alicia

601
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Speaker 1: Wrightson and says I used to work in my college bookstore.

602
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Speaker 1: One day we received some boxes with a funny word

603
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Speaker 1: on him. I didn't know what the word meant until

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Speaker 1: I opened a box and saw what was inside a

605
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Speaker 1: blood pressure cuff. The word was and we take a

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Speaker 1: shot at this vy gummm on the meter alright, like

607
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Speaker 1: I'm am on a meter. Yeah, it's just the side

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Speaker 1: of the word. Sent me into utter hysterics, and I

609
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Speaker 1: was useless for a good half hour. Then I said

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Speaker 1: it out loud, which got got the giggle started all

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Speaker 1: over again. To this day, it remains the funniest word

612
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen or said, and it can still make

613
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Speaker 1: me giggle. Um. Keep up the great work with the podcast,

614
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Speaker 1: and please check out my band The Wag at the

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Speaker 1: Wag get banned dot com. Some of your HSW mates

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Speaker 1: have our CD. There you go. Um, And then we

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Speaker 1: have and I did check out that link to make

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Speaker 1: sure it didn't like, actually go somewhere horrible. It does

619
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Speaker 1: go to an actual fans website. All right, good good.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just simply I'm not just gonna throw links

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Speaker 1: out here. Um. We also heard from a listener by

622
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Speaker 1: the name of Samuel Um and uh which Samuel. If

623
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Speaker 1: I'm just to get into the whole devil thing. Again,

624
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: Samuel means venom of God and it was like an

625
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: old demon name the old is this venom and not poison? Yeah,

626
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: poison of God, venom of God. I don't know anyway.

627
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Speaker 1: That's like again in high school is really into all

628
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Speaker 1: that stuff. So, but I don't have all the knowledge

629
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Speaker 1: with me anymore. Anyway, Samuel the human not a demon,

630
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Speaker 1: um wrote in had some very nice things to say,

631
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Speaker 1: and then added at the end, I just listened to

632
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Speaker 1: the podcast uh Religion in Space and Roberts saying something

633
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Speaker 1: along the line with him loving idea of religion being

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Speaker 1: carried into space in June really made me laugh, as

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Speaker 1: I thought it would be the worst nightmare of Dawkins

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. Indeed, Yeah, there uh, there are a number

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Speaker 1: he certainly probably would flip. Yeah. Um, so hey, uh,

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