1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission Control decond. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: want you to know. As we've explored in previous episodes, 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: our species knows roughly when and how human beings first 11 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: reached the continent we know of as North America, but 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: we still continue to search for more concrete. It's gonna 13 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: be such a horrible pun later and sirs about who 14 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: these people were. And, as most of our fellow conspiracy 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: realists know, many of the things children are taught about 16 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: in North American history later turned out to be either 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: misleading or holy false. The best example of this is 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: probably the tale of Christopher Columbus or Christo Bauld Cologne. 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: Uh without dating ourselves, guys, do you remember being taught 20 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: about Christopher Columbus in grade school? Elementary MIDDLETTERA didn't he 21 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: sale ocean blue in Foh yeah, into our psyches. Uh yeah, 22 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: that that That's what I remember. But yeah, then the Nina, 23 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: the Pinta, the Santa Maria, all that stuff, And I 24 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: remember how exciting it was to say that quickly outside 25 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: of that, you know, as far as the actual explorations 26 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: and you know who was behind them, I vaguely remember 27 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: the details. But but yeah, Yeah. It's strange because a 28 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of kids, especially in the West, 29 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: in the US and Canada, were taught a somewhat simplified 30 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: version of history, right of European transatlantic exploration towards this 31 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: continent and towards South America as well. But obviously, current 32 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: historical research indicates Columbus was far from the first European 33 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: to reach what we call North America. Right, But if 34 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: this explorer was not the first, then who was? According 35 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: to uh one group of researchers, the answer may be 36 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: found in a slab of rock located, of all places, 37 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: in modern day Douglas County, wait for it, Minnesota, that's 38 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: called the Kenzie did Ruined Stone. Uh. You know, you 39 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: pointed out this reminded you a bit of the Georgia 40 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: Guide stones and I definitely see the similarities. But first off, Minnesota, 41 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: it's inland. It's far far away from where a ship 42 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: would be at that time, right, well it is, but 43 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: but it does offer us a really good opportunity because 44 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: it's in Minnesota and it involves Nordic or Scandinavian runes. 45 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: I think we get to do both a Minnesota and 46 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: a Scandinavian accent. It is. It is pretty much between 47 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: Minneapolis and Fargo. I mean it's like almost in between there. 48 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: So here are the facts. What are we talking about? 49 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: I know some of us listening, Uh maybe our heads 50 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: exploded when they said, all right, well, finally they're gonna 51 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: give us the truth about the Rune stone, which is 52 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: a cool, very high sword and sorcery fantasy sounding word. Uh. 53 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: It dates back to There's a Swedish immigrant, his name 54 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: is Ulof Alman, and he like late in that year. 55 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: He he said that he had stumbled across a mysterious 56 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: stone while he was clearing trees and stumps from some 57 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: farmlands he had just acquired. Olaf himself came to the 58 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: US in eighteen seventy nine, so he had been here 59 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: for a while. Uh, this wasn't like he didn't just 60 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: get off of a ship and then go find a 61 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: tree with a stone in it. So he was he 62 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: was just like an enterprising farmer. And we know the 63 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: story of how he found the stone. Oh yes, the 64 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: tail goes that Olaf found this stone near the crest 65 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 1: of a small knoll, not that knoll, but an actual 66 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: k n O L L. And it was when he 67 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: found it he was laying face down, so you don't 68 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: even really understand what it is, right at least when 69 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: you first look at oh, there's a stone there. It 70 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: was tangled up in the roots system of this tree 71 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: that was there on the nola, a poplar tree. And 72 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 1: this is the way this tale goes. You'd think, okay, 73 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: it was just one day, but X where it's now 74 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: can't really agree on what day it was actually found. 75 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: When it was truly discovered, They put it somewhere between 76 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: August and the eighth of November of that year, so 77 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: that's a pretty big chunk of time at at some 78 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: point at which it was discovered. And you know, and 79 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: it's really one of those things if you're hanging out 80 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: somewhere near a tree, maybe by your house, it doesn't 81 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: matter where you live. If you're if you've got a 82 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: root system going on in some trees, you dig a 83 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: little bit, just a tiny bit, or even not dig, 84 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: just brush away some leaves and and stuff that's just 85 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: been lying on the ground, you might find some fairly 86 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: big stones. Yeah, yeah, it's not abnormal, it's not unusual. 87 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Will define stones somewhere by a tree, right, Yeah, there 88 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: we go, we'll we'll workshop it, will workshop it. But 89 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right. Uh, according to the story, there's 90 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: a reason that this stone didn't just get you know, 91 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: tossed aside or used to build some rough structure on 92 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: the farm. It's because Oldoff's son Edward, who was ten 93 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: years old at the time, noticed something weird. He could 94 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: just make out. Of course this is covered in dirt, right, 95 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: if this story is true, he could just make out 96 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: what appeared to be markings. Uh not not just the 97 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: patterns of time or erosion, but what seemed to be 98 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: purposeful markings on one side of the stone. So they 99 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: clean it off. That's the sound effect for cleaning stuff off. 100 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that one. So they're they're on the stone 101 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: and uh, they find these markings are an inscription and 102 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: it appears to be made by human beings. And it 103 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: appears that they have written in some some sort of 104 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: message for posterity uh in some kind of language. But 105 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: the farmers don't recognize the alphabet, which will also be 106 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: important later. And their farm is in a rural area 107 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: like The closest settlement is Kensington, Minnesota. Yeah, and this 108 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: word spread uh pretty quickly through Douglas County. On New 109 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: Year's Day at eighteen ninety nine, the mayor of Kensington, Minnesota, 110 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: a Swedish born gentleman by the name of John P. Hedberg. Uh. 111 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: Maybe a distant relative of Mitch. I don't know, it's possible. Well, 112 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: John P. Wrote a letter recounting this story to Sevenska 113 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Americanska post in, which is a fancy way of saying uh. 114 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: Swedish American newspaper essentially, and that was the name of 115 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: this Swedish American newspaper in Minneapolis. And Hedberg in his 116 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: correspondence and closed a penciled sheet showing reproductions of the 117 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: two nineteen characters from the inscription that we're talking about 118 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: in his letter. In the body of the letter to Hedburg, 119 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: Um he guess that the inscription might be an ancient Greek, 120 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: which was a language that he couldn't read. He was yeah, right, yeah, 121 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: but um, he wasn't trying to put one over on 122 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: this guy. Um, he was genuinely interested. From what you 123 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: can tell from his letter to the papers editor and 124 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: publishers Hedberg was really just trying to get a little 125 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: help solving this mystery. He thought maybe there would be 126 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: some experts there that could, um, you know, point him 127 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: in the right direction. At the very least, he wanted 128 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: to know on the surface what was going on on 129 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: the surface of this strange stone that they found on 130 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: the surface, scraped into it with some sort of pointy object. Right, 131 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna get into it later. But you're 132 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: right to any paper, doesn't matter how you know, well, 133 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: they are known throughout the land. You're right to a 134 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: publication and you say, look at this thing I found. 135 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: It's really strange. What do you think it is? I mean, 136 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: you're letting you're letting that publication know that it exists, 137 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: and it could be it is a mystery, right no 138 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: matter what. Yeah, planting that seed. Well. Also, it's the 139 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: mayor of a of a rural area, so this is 140 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: one of the strangest things to happen, probably during this 141 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: mirror's tenure. But also let's let's assume that the editors 142 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: and publishers get a lot of letters in the post. 143 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: You know, maybe there's a two headed cow report, maybe 144 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: the crops are failing or overly abundant. The reason the 145 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: publisher reads this letter is because he is a friend 146 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: of the mayor, the guy who publishes the paper. Yeah, 147 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: or you know that time that that one big fella 148 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: through that little fella in the wood chip. Remember when 149 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: that happened. That was a big story at the time, 150 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: especially Yeah, but what it happened in the eight hundreds. 151 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: Remember they didn't have electrically powered wood chippers, so the 152 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: wood chipper wasn't uh so, yeah, so they spread this. 153 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: And I appreciate your point about possible motivations there, Matt, 154 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: because of course, the art of the con teaches us 155 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: that if you want to pull a good con, if 156 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: this guy's motivations were anything less than sincere, uh, then 157 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: you can't show all your cards at once. Right. The 158 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: mayor is talking to a personal friend of his, so 159 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: he uh he, in the most objective way possible, just says, okay, 160 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: here we go, what do you think? I think it 161 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: might be ancient Greek, but I don't speak it because 162 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to real people in, you 163 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: let them feel like they're making the decisions you control 164 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: them making. Anyway, the stone is at least real. It's 165 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: not a the stone itself. Its existence is not a hoax, uh. 166 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: The same way that you know, we went through spate 167 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: of uh people claiming a few years ago to have 168 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: found Bigfoot's corpse, and those yeah, they had something, they 169 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: had something. One case it was like a guerrilla suit 170 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: in a cooler. But there is a real stone here, 171 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: and we have very great descriptions of it. It's made 172 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: of a hard gray type of sandstone called uh gray 173 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: whack w A c k e uh. It's it's about 174 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: the size of like your typical tombstone, I mean your gravestone, 175 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: not the pizza uh, which isn't bad uh. And it's 176 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: it's this irregular rectangle shape, regular rectangular shape. Uh. It 177 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: weighs about two hundred two pounds. It's thirty inches high, 178 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: thirty thirty one inches high, sixteen inches wide, about five 179 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: and a half to six inches thick. So it's a 180 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: it's hefty it's not something you casually carry around, and 181 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: it seems like it would be a difficult thing to 182 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: lose in the first place. Uh, but again, our species 183 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: loses cities, civilizations, entire eras of history. Who were the 184 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: sea people's anyway? Asking that question for the rest of 185 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: the show that it exists as long as we can 186 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: just keep saying see people. So I don't know why. 187 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: That just strikes me as delightful. The sea people. I 188 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: just think of a picture, you know, underwater dwelling types 189 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: with gills and webbed feet. I picture sea monkeys. I'm 190 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: just gonna be honest. It was hard for me not 191 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: to say that during the broad Sage collapse thing that 192 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: was pulling up images of old school sea monkeys, which 193 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: I think really some kind of shript. It's all sea 194 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: persons for me, you know persons, I guess, yeah, murperson, 195 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: bird person, all the hits, all the good ones. Uh. 196 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: So it does the everybody agrees this stone exists. It 197 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: has something carved upon it, right, has something carved into 198 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: the face of the stone. And the if you look 199 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: at pictures of this which are widely available online, you'll 200 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: see that the front face looks partially damaged, so as possible, 201 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: there was more to this original message. And now now 202 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: we get to the very strange part. We know what 203 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: the message says, sort of. We have a bunch of 204 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: linguists who have been looking at this since at least 205 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: and they agree kind of on this message. But Olaf 206 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: first he didn't. According to him, he initially thought that 207 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: this was some kind of Indian almanac. By whence you 208 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: meant Native American almanac? But later people said, wait, those 209 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: look like rooms. Was that a quotation sound or an 210 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: engraving sound? That was a mund The engraving sound is 211 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: more like a oh you made a sound earlier in 212 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: the episode. Was that a scrubbing sound, you man, that's 213 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: a cleaning, That's a I just I was. I was 214 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: clarifying our our sonic terms here. Yeah, it was ruins 215 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: runs you, Um, I don't know. On this show, we've 216 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: encountered runs many a time. I think, most commonly when 217 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: dealing with research on the Nazi Party. I think, at 218 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: least for me, that's when a type of runs we've 219 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: been encountering quite frequently. Well, the notion that they have power, right, 220 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: isn't that part of it? Right? The words have power? 221 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: In quite a literal way. Uh. Yeah, RUMs are used 222 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: in various magical systems or traditional beliefs. They have also 223 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: been uh kind of what's the word appropriated by political 224 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: movements or by metal bands and uh maybe they would 225 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: say that's not appropriation, but in the case of the 226 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: Nazi Party, it's definitely appropriation. Well, but just just from 227 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: a form factor. From like if you're thinking about fonts 228 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: or something, the runs such as these do there is 229 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: something about them that is striking um almost, I don't know, almost, 230 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: in the way the hieroglyphics have the same kind of 231 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: feel where it feels like there's more inside whatever is 232 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: written or inscribed than just letters. It feels that way. 233 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the same with a lot of 234 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: um Asian characters, you know, where there there feels like 235 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: there's an imbued meaning um within the system. I mean, 236 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: it's much more. There's more to it than just a 237 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: straightforward a shape or a letter. You know, it feels 238 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: like it's got you could in the way that like 239 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: certain Japanese characters can tell a story, you know, with 240 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: with some brushstrokes, you know, or there's a lot more 241 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: contained within that one character than with just a letter 242 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: that would then be used to spell out a word. Right, Yeah, 243 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: RUMs are crazy. I I watched I've been rewatch. I've 244 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: been watching like two Halloween movies. Wanted two Halloween movies 245 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: a day, you know, to over and I stumbled upon 246 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: a film that I had never heard of, called Spell, 247 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: which is about a guy with O C D whose 248 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: spouse passes away. None of this is a spoiler, and 249 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: so he just sort of impulsively goes to Iceland and 250 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: he gets really wrapped up in Icelandic folklore and rooms. 251 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: And I fell into Uh, I fell into the rabbit 252 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: hole of Icelandic traditional beliefs, and I spent I swear, 253 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: I spent like two hours this past weekend wondering how 254 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: we can make it a stuff they don't want you 255 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: to know episode, until I said, I'm just gonna have 256 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: to I'm just gonna have to be content to name 257 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: drop that thing because there's not a conspiracy. First place 258 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: I I ever remember hearing about runes was in the uh, 259 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: the Hobbit movie where where then they're one of the gnomes. 260 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Is like those are rude stones, you know as a friend, 261 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: and like, you know, because they do have power. They 262 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: are also in a lot of obviously like RPG type 263 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: game there in Legend of Zelda, their a way you 264 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: can power up a sword by adding a rune stone 265 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: to it that gives it a special property or whatever, 266 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: outside the scope of today's discussion, but still the point 267 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: is that language can be imbued with meaning and power 268 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: in the right hands, at least in theory. I really 269 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: hope some of you also teleported on Ruins and Ultimate 270 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: online the way I did, because that was one of 271 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: my favorite things. So let's just let's just talk about 272 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: these ruins for a little bit. Runs in general, it's 273 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: an agent North European writing system, right. It's probably first 274 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: developed in the second century CE, and most likely under 275 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: Roman influence. They were also taught in several places throughout 276 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: the world, specifically in Scandinavian um schools school children in 277 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. We're learning what ruins were UM, at 278 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: least in a general sense, in early education. In that way, 279 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: UM more as a history lesson, I think, I mean, 280 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: that's that's my understanding. It would be more of a 281 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: let's learn about our our history, our past. Now it's 282 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: a skull Amans thing they're teaching those kids spells, teaching 283 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: occult power over the elements, how to find fortune and 284 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: love and uh lay enemies waste. No, you're right, though. 285 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: Ruins are a real thing. Uh. They're very very popular 286 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: in fiction. But they are very much a real thing. Uh. 287 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: And they were taught in various parts of Scandinavia to 288 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 1: school children in the eighteen hundreds. At least we know 289 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: that for sure. Uh. So here is the translation. This 290 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: is again, this is a generally accepted translation. They're going 291 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: to be people who go back and forth about the 292 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: specifics here, but it's it's like a it's a confession. 293 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: We don't need a we don't need a prologue. Here. 294 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: Here it is. We are eight Goths and twenty two 295 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: Norwegians on an exploration valley from Vinland through the west. 296 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: We had camp by a lake with two scarys, that 297 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: small rocky eye. On one day's journey north from this stone, 298 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: we were out and fished. One day after we came home, 299 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: we found ten of our men, red with blood and dead, 300 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: a v M. Standing probably for a Virgo Maria or 301 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: Hail Virgin Mary, save us from evil. We have ten 302 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: of our party by the sea to look after our 303 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: ships fourteen days journey from this island, year thirteen sixty two. 304 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: Whoa thirteen sixty two. These runes are describing a couple 305 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: of different journeys that were taking, but one specific exploration journey. 306 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: I like how they put that from Vinland through the west. 307 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: Is that the same as Finland. We're gonna we're gonna 308 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: spend some time discussing what that may or may not mean. 309 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure where is Vinland? You say? But yeah, really 310 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: interesting stuff like giving almost in uh sunken tread or 311 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: in a hidden treasure map kind of vibe like we're this, 312 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: we're this distance away from this stone from where we were, 313 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: also this other distance in this other direction away from 314 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: this stone for this other thing. Fascinating that this thing, 315 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: this message would end up etched in stone in this place. Hmm, 316 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: Well why is it there? How did it get there? 317 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: What does it mean? We'll tell you, well, at least 318 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: as much as we know afterward from our sponsor, and 319 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: we're back um talking about potentially magical artifacts found in Minnesota. Uh, 320 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: not too too too terribly far from Minneapolis, where we 321 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: know a magical creature once Dwelves Uh Prince the Purple one, um, 322 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: but unrelated to any Goths or Norwegians that I know of. 323 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: But the Minneapolis Journal actually scooped the Swedish paper that 324 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: we discussed, the Swedish language paper that we discussed earlier. 325 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: UM on that translation referencing said Goths and Norwegians eight 326 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: and twenty two in number. Um. And it was kind 327 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: of a thing. Um. The stone itself was put on 328 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: display in a bank, although this account we found on 329 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: the internet incorrectly refers to the bank as a drug store. Um. 330 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: And it's super important to note that olaf Olman never 331 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: actually was looking to get paid for his discovery. The 332 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: Minnesota Historical Society actually has a bill of sales showing 333 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 1: that Almans sold the stone to them for ten American 334 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: dollars in nineteen and eleven, which would be around three 335 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: bucks closer to two sixty dollars. So what's the deal? 336 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: Where do the facts and the fiction meet, and and 337 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: of which is there more? This is the question I 338 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: think we have for today. The first thing I would 339 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: put forward is, who's to say it wasn't a combination 340 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: bank and drug store. I mean, ever, everybody's seen those, 341 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, you certainly will see banks in grocery stores 342 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: and drugs and pharmacies and grocery stores, though I cannot 343 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: say I have ever met seen a bank in a 344 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: freestanding drug store. But or maybe we just need to 345 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: pop up uh, you know, banking institutions are stressful for 346 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people. Maybe we need to pop up 347 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: pharmacy right after you sign thirty years of your life 348 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: away and alone. I think I think there's probably a 349 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: law against that for good reason, But it's not a 350 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: bad idea. There's a lot of money to be made. 351 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: And then you can go next door to the combination 352 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: Pizza Hut Taco Bell and get a little snack. Seriously, yes, absolutely, 353 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: But also, you guys are familiar with the concept of 354 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: minute n X right where the drug store essentially will 355 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: have a physicians assistant care type situation. But but in 356 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: a drug store, why aren't there minute clinics with psychiatrists 357 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: in them having a crisis that has a psychiatrist installed 358 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: just waiting for you come come to me prescribe the 359 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: Probably because I would say probably because it's tougher to 360 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: help heal a wounded mind than it is to help 361 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: bandage up a broken arm. I don't I don't mean 362 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't mean to actually do good for any patients. 363 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: I just meant to to push more pills. I got it. Okay, Yeah, 364 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: let the let the oxycotton tycoons know right, there's the 365 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: revenue stream, just like oil companies figured out plastic. I 366 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: hope those words don't come back to haunt us. There's 367 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: a point though, that I don't want to lose. We'll 368 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: get too far from the translation, and that is that 369 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: the Goths are Swedes. Goth is a word for Swede. 370 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: They're not the uh, They're not the Motley crew from 371 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: Letter Kenny or South Park, the Cure fans, you know, 372 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: with emo haircuts and potential like chain mail belts or 373 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: something like that black fingernail polish. They may have had 374 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: chain mail. Um yeah, likely on more than their belts, 375 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: though I would, I would, I would imagine so unless 376 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: it was something of religious or spiritual cultural significance. Yeah, 377 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: this is an excellent question about fact versus fiction, because 378 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: if the Kensington room Stone is what uh It's believers 379 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: say it is, and if the message on it is 380 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: true and is from thirteen sixty two, then it's hugely 381 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: important for our understanding of North American history, forget that 382 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: of world history. This would be a big deal because 383 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: how would how how would this group of Swedish people 384 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: and Norwegian people vikings working together? How would they how 385 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: would they reach the Midwest from Vinland? Right? Even though 386 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: they say they did at a great personal cost, they 387 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: paid in blood for this trip. Um, it's still it's 388 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: it's still a long journey. Maybe we maybe we should 389 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: pause for just a second to talk about Vinland. We've 390 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: been throwing this around. You've you've probably heard of Greenland, 391 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: You've probably heard of Iceland, and maybe the nifty little 392 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: story behind their names. Uh, Vinland is kind of in 393 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: that same headspace. It's an area of North America that 394 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: was explored by Norse vikings. Leif Ericson landed there around 395 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: one thousand CE. So you know, you don't have to 396 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: be a math doctor to know that's way before Columbus. 397 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: It's incredible to have that inscribed, you know, allegedly in 398 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: the hundreds. So I guess what I'm trying to wrap 399 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: my head around was reading this story from the is 400 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: it what is in the Minnesota post um and they're 401 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: discussing Vinland and the route through the West from Vinland 402 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: and what where that would be from where where it 403 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: would actually be located. And I'm genuinely a little bit 404 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: confused because it seems as though it's a bit unknown 405 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: where Vinland is ben do we have maybe I just 406 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: don't have it in my research, like actually where it 407 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: is located? So in current US yes, so right now, um, 408 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: right now. The popular consensus is that what we what 409 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: was described as Vinlands by Leif Ericson and co. Is 410 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: probably an area that includes Newfoundland and the Gulf of St. 411 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: Lawrence and maybe goes as far as New Brunswick. So 412 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: really it's it's Canadian, okay, but but but it is. 413 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: It is a wide range, and it is accepted as 414 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: fact that that these people arrived there in one thousand CE. 415 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: We just don't know what happened in the thirteen hundreds. Well, 416 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: and if you definitely want to learn historically accurate account 417 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: of what Vinland was, there is an anime manga series 418 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: called Vinland Saga. Uh so that would be the place 419 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: to go. I'm kidding, but it is interesting when uh 420 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: a country like Japan, uh, you know, portrays a culture 421 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: like the Viking type situation. It's very I don't know, 422 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: I'm I'm intrigued by this because it does appear to 423 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: be like Viking ships and swords and that kind of 424 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: high jinks. Looks pretty interesting. But um, so what would 425 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: what land mass would we attribute it to? Like if 426 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: does it still exist or find anything about? Oh, it's 427 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: just North America, just part of it, Okay, interesting, it 428 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: would be like the east upper upper eastern coast of 429 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: the North American continent. Uh. But from what we know 430 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: in the earliest accounts of land it was described as Uh. 431 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: It was first written about in ten seventy five, and 432 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: it was described as these remote islands. So imagine you 433 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: get close, you find some islands, and you think we've 434 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: gone really far, we should turn around. They didn't really, 435 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: from what we understand, they did not know the enormity 436 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: of the land mass that they were very very close to. 437 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: That makes sense. So Vinland at this point is um 438 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: we should also say it's the idea of these early 439 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: Viking explorers in one thousand CEU. It's a very popular idea. 440 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: It's in a lot of conversations in the zeitgeist in 441 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: the nineties in Europe and in the US. So someone 442 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: would probably no, uh, somewhe in Minnesota would have heard 443 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: this story, especially given the massive Swedish population, they would 444 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: have been familiar with this, and that's why it got 445 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: so much interest from the media. There was a flurry 446 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: of investigations. We're talking scholars and linguists. They dive into 447 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: this description and they're fighting back and forth like what 448 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: kind of runic system is this? How old is it? 449 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: That's the big question, right? And then historians and scientists 450 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: are doing the same kind of thing that we we 451 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: were just doing, where they're they're essentially pulling up a 452 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: map and they're going, Okay, fictional boat, how does it 453 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: get to Minnesota? You know what I mean? Well, dude, 454 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: there's it's it's fascinating. If you just read that translation, 455 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: doesn't it call the place where the tablet ends up 456 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: an island and not just a hill? Right? So that, right, 457 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: that alone makes the mind start wondering, well, wait, what 458 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: was this flooded? And unless you know the historical record 459 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: of the area you have extremely accurate information on that, 460 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: your mind may think, well, perhaps it was a lot 461 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: of a lot of this was flooded at some point, 462 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: even if it was only on a temporary basis. Um 463 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: to where this this whole area could be traversed by 464 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: ship or by boat rather than on on foot on land. Yeah, 465 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: it's a good point. I mean, we know that geography 466 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: can change, right, especially over over time. That's the thing. 467 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: If you're if you're hearing about this, and you're not 468 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: a scholar of ancient languages that are somewhat obscure, and 469 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: if you're not a forensic expert or a professional historian, 470 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: then this sounds like it's at the very least, it 471 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: sounds like it's an interesting thing, and it sounds very possible. 472 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: The stone itself ended up getting sent to some professionals, 473 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: especially one professor George O. Kerm, who was a philologist 474 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois. And so so he 475 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: looks at it, he looks at this draft people are 476 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: figuring out about based on what we know about the inscription. 477 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,239 Speaker 1: And when he looks at this first draft, he is 478 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: he's got a little spark of hope, right, are we 479 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: about to learn more about hidden history? But then he 480 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: inspected the language on the stone itself, you know when 481 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: he did it, when he did a firsthand investigation, Yeah, 482 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: really really puzzled, and it led him and many others 483 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: to ask what the heck is going on? What is 484 00:31:53,080 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: the provenance of this stone? Will answer the question definitively afterwards, 485 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: maur Sponsor, Here's where it gets crazy. Okay, I gotta 486 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: say it. It's fake. What just just like that, it 487 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: gets crazy. It's fake. It's well, it gets a little 488 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: crazier than that. But the stone itself is nine eight 489 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: percent point nine hoax. Uh. It might be an historical 490 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: hoax like the Shroud of Turin or something spoilers, but 491 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: but this has proven pretty definitively. There are big problems 492 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: with the stories. There's not just problems with the the 493 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: story of the farmer finding it. There's a problem with 494 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: the story that's on the stone. Math problems right, like 495 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: problems and the farmer selling it for ten bucks even 496 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: if it was two sixty bucks. Come on, this is 497 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: things incredible tent bucks. Yeah. Look for the Vikings ships 498 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: to have made a fourteen day journey from alexandria Um 499 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: to where they ended up. The only possible route they 500 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: could have taken was from Hudson Bay, which is eight 501 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: hundred miles. As the crow flies longer. Uh, if you 502 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: take a more winding path like a river and having 503 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: to pick up the boat and put it back down, 504 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: which is a word I learned today called portage, and 505 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: um a particularly difficult distance to manage in fourteen days 506 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: in the way that it was described here in in 507 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: this on the stone, the route through the west from 508 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: vin Land, that whole situation, whose location in thirteen sixty 509 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: two would have been unknown. That's the thing we've we've 510 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: all kind of struggled with us. We were trying to 511 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: pick this thing apart. And no other record of this 512 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: expedition has been found literally anywhere. Um So why would explorers, 513 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: it just suffers such a massacre, stopped to carve in 514 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: these beautifully ornate, uh and organized characters the stone inscription? 515 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: I would you know, just to counter a little bit 516 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: to that last part there, I mean, if maybe the 517 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: belief is that all is lost, you want to warn 518 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 1: anyone else who's going to be coming this way about something. 519 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: Maybe you don't have enough information. So as one of 520 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: the men is dying, he's carving furiously trying to get 521 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: a message into this stone before he leaves, or before 522 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: his party leaves, or and he perishes. Just point it 523 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: out there, that feels very video game like to me 524 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: or movie like, but just as a possible reason to 525 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: make them look like that maybe a testament to the 526 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: lives lost there, maybe some way to make a mark 527 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: before they themselves disappeared. Would say that we do need 528 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: to point out the word no bi he's found in 529 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: the vicinity of the stone that we know of. Uh. 530 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: And it's also it's it's a good question. We don't 531 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: know why this would happen in a vacuum, why there 532 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: would be no other no other secondary source. If it's 533 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: a true story, then perhaps the grizzly fact of the 534 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: matter is that uh, the author, along with the their 535 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: cohort all died. Maybe no one made it back to 536 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: tell the tale of their you know, they're they're woefully 537 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: unfortunate trip. But okay, so that's a that's a huge 538 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: problem the math there. These folks were mavericks. If they 539 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: were able to if if they were able to uh 540 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: sail to this very specific place in a way that 541 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: would have required them to at some point pick up 542 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: their boats, physically carry them across the ground, put them 543 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: in another water. So we're continue on their marry. Wait 544 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: that's a lot, uh, but there's another problem with the 545 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: story and I hate to say it, it's a it's 546 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: a problem with the farmer. It's very very strange. I'm 547 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: not calling him a liar, just say it's very strange 548 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: that Olaf would not have recognized something familiar about rooms, 549 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: because remember, he grew up in Sweden, is during a 550 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: time when Scandinavian children were often taught about rooms. Uh, 551 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: he was not a I guess we wouldn't call him 552 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: a highly educated man, but that doesn't make unintelligent. He 553 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: was literate. He had a small library at his house 554 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 1: and some of those books had you guessed it, ruins 555 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: in them. Okay, So then we have to wonder if 556 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: the inscription itself the message, if it was genuine. M hmm, right, Well, 557 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: if someone were to inscribe something in what do we 558 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: call it that that's a fun word that we just 559 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: gray gray whack. If someone were to, you know, inscribe 560 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: this thing in gray whack, they would have to at 561 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: least have an understanding of what these ruins meant, how 562 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: to put them together to form, you know, sentences with meaning. 563 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: And you know, if the farmer does have these books, 564 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: he did grow up in a place where he learned 565 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: at least parts of this language. I don't know if 566 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: you have the nerve or the wherewithal to pull up 567 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: a prank or even a quick way to make ten 568 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: bucks the worst way to make ten dollars. Ever, that's 569 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: a lot of work to put in. Like how long 570 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: does it take? The look, I've never uh, I imagine 571 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: it would take a long time to carve something into stone, right, 572 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: So if you average out this is this is maybe 573 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: us being cheap skates. But it's if you average out 574 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: the uh that ten dollars across however many hours it 575 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: would have taken to make this, it's not a great gig, 576 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like if you were 577 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 1: being commissioned to build a piece of art in stone 578 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: for two hundred sixty dollars. That feels that feels cheap 579 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: to me for an ornate piece of stone. But I 580 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: don't know. Hey, it's also kind of an odd prank, right, 581 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: Like I mean, obviously we're talking about it. Obviously had 582 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: got some attention. You know, it was put up in 583 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: the drug store slash uh bank whatever whatever whichever when 584 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: it was combination drug store bank. But what do you 585 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: think the end game was just to make a fuss 586 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: just to get people excited. They're riled up. That's a 587 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: good question. There have been some people who guessed that 588 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: this conspiracy, and it is a conspiracy if it's a hoax. Uh. 589 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: There have been some people to guess that it had 590 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: more than one uh involved more than one person. That 591 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: one of Alman's friends pastor former pastor named Zvin vogel 592 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: Blob focal Blood, may have helped him out because Svenn 593 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,959 Speaker 1: had a knowledge of Runes and according to a couple 594 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: of sources, again this is touchy. This is like, this 595 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: is like the Syrian sources writing about the assassins. You know, um, 596 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: there are sources who say that both of these guys, 597 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 1: Spinn and Olaf didn't like academics. Then like the Ivory Tower, 598 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: they resented him for some reason. So maybe this is 599 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: like a little a little philip toward them, or you know, 600 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: a bite of the thumb, just a quick philip. Yeah, 601 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: that's the word. Fa. We never heard anyone in like 602 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: twenty in the whatever this era is referred to flipping 603 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: someone a quick philip. I love it, I love it. 604 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: It's funny. We we mentioned at the top of the 605 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: show how this sort of reminded me of the Georgia guidestones. UM. 606 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: I think one uh misconception about the Georgia guidestones they're 607 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: a hoax, is that they're meant to be interpreted as 608 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: some sort of ancient artifact, like some sort of Stonehenge 609 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: type situation. But you know, it's certainly something that the 610 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: mind might jump to and just seeing it cold because 611 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: they do appear to be these ancient kind of carved 612 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, granite slabs that that very much resemble a stonehenge. 613 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: But obviously we know, at the very least the mystery 614 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: behind that is what the identity actually was of the 615 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: man who paid to have them erected and designed. But 616 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 1: we know that a man did have them erected design 617 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: with full cooperation of the city and the you know, 618 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, bought the plot of land and all that stuff. 619 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: So that's different, um, but still very interesting in that 620 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: they are both. You know, the guidestones are sort of 621 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: meant to resemble something that could be taken as ancient, 622 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 1: but it serves a much more modern purpose. UM. I 623 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: understand the meaning and the point behind the guide stones. 624 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: I don't understand the meaning and the point behind this. 625 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: If it were a hoax, right right, right, Yeah, So 626 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: that's that. I mean, that's a key question because, uh, 627 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: we don't have definitive proof that all off omen made 628 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: these things as a jolly prank. In fact, he never 629 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: admitted a hoax, even unto his deathbed. Again, as we said, 630 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 1: he wasn't. He clearly was not out to become wealthy 631 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: from this, and he was adamant. He stuck to his story. 632 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: It was steadfast about his version of events until his death, 633 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 1: and he stuck by the story even when the academics 634 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: that he reputedly resented came back with problems with the 635 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: inscription itself. They first analyze it in right same year 636 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: it gets reported, and a lot of these experts dismissed 637 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: as fake. Back then, they say there are too many 638 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: discrepancies in the form and the vocabulary. Because they're like 639 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,399 Speaker 1: the Indiana Jones top men. They get together and they say, okay, look, 640 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: we are experts in a very specific field, the known 641 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: languages of fourteenth century Scandinavia, and we checked with each other, 642 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: and none of us think this is legit. They were 643 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: saying that back in early nine hundreds. Most experts since 644 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: then have agreed, Uh, but even if you say, even 645 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,320 Speaker 1: if you say, well, maybe this person was just writing 646 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 1: in a weird way because around half of their friends 647 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: were dead. It was a very trying time. They were 648 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: very stressed out. Even if we accept that, we have 649 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: to ask ourselves about the age of these things, the 650 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: condition of the raw. Yeah, so they're you know, they're 651 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: picked up in eight nine, right, And if you if 652 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: you're talking about what is that five hundred years that 653 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: they would have been laying there, or yeah, more than 654 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: five years that they had been laying there, you'd think 655 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: that the stone inscriptions would have just been worn to nothingness, 656 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: or at least worn heavily after all that time of 657 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: just the elements and laying there being you know, scraped. 658 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 1: I know it doesn't sound like much, but being scraped 659 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: by roots and by dirt and as water runs underneath 660 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: it every time it rains, and all these other things. 661 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: But the weird thing is, though, to me, is if 662 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: it's laying on its face and it isn't directly being 663 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: hit by rain and debris all that time, I don't know, 664 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: I feel like it would degrade less so than if 665 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: it was facing up. But but maybe that's just my 666 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: ignorance as to how things actually get weathered, um and 667 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: what years can do to something. But you know, I 668 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: know that's certainly in question here. Why why were the 669 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: ruins still so intact and seemingly pristine? I see you're 670 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: saying if it was like mounted like a tombstone upright, 671 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: then it would be spared more like. And then then 672 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: if it were like uh, you know, mounted on the 673 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: ground facing up, then probably that amount of time the 674 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: ruins would have been completely wiped away. You know, well, 675 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is because of how it 676 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: was found. I correct me if I'm wrong, then, but 677 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: I think it was found face down like the runs. 678 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: You don't see the runes. You see just the rest 679 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: of the gray whack stone. You pick it up, and 680 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: then you see the runes that certainly would have preserved it. 681 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: I would imagine, that's my thought, But I know that 682 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: experts at the time we're just saying. I hear you know, 683 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Matt. This is what the 684 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: experts would have said. Hear what you're saying that. But 685 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about five years. We'll also over yeah, over 686 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: five hundred years. Would root systems of other trees not 687 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: have broken. Yeah, engulfed it broken more of the stone 688 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: into bits or you know, eroded at time, wears on 689 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,280 Speaker 1: things on all the works of man. Uh, so maybe 690 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: we can say, what about the most popular poplar tree 691 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 1: in town? How old was the tree? Uh? They did 692 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 1: an interesting thing, not super scientific. Uh, the tree that 693 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: held the stone was destroyed by But people went back 694 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,919 Speaker 1: to the site. They looked around the area, They saw 695 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,760 Speaker 1: other other poplar trees, like nearby copes of poplar trees, 696 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: and they they had local saying, Okay, these poplars are 697 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: around the same size, they're around the same age. And 698 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,240 Speaker 1: then uh, the experts knocked down some of those trees 699 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: and through the magic of dindoc analogy, they figured out 700 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: that those trees were probably between thirty to forty years old. So, uh, 701 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,919 Speaker 1: the age of that If that gives us information about 702 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: the age of the tree where the stone was supposedly found, 703 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,320 Speaker 1: then we know that uh, that roots system had engulfed 704 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: it within thirty to forty years. Again, if if this 705 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,919 Speaker 1: is true, because another person who was at the excavation 706 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: site later who visited it, UH County School superintendent named 707 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: Cleve Van Dyke said hold on those those trees are 708 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: only ten or twelve years old. But you know we 709 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: said that in the Minnesota accent. I meagine, and we 710 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: attempted ey attempted a nor a Nordic accent yet or 711 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: a Scandinavian Ben you promised us a B. What we 712 00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: were talking, we were talking sor there we go. But 713 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,919 Speaker 1: just I I hear you about the trees like that. 714 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,359 Speaker 1: That makes a whole lot of sense as to why 715 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: it would have end up ended up where it was 716 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: if those trees were only that old, right the just 717 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: to jump back quickly to the inscription and the age 718 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: possibly of that there was there's an analysis in two 719 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: thousand three done on the actual inscriptions the ruins that 720 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: are you know, inscribed into into the rock. And there's 721 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: a person, Scott F. Walter who conducted this analysis, and 722 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, according to him in his study, they were 723 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: around two hundred years old, So that would put them 724 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds we're talking about when they're you know, 725 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:55,280 Speaker 1: first discovered and studied. Um, it's an interesting thing because 726 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: to me, I know that two hundred years isn't come on, 727 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 1: that's not an exact act number of years that these 728 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: inscriptions have been on there. But that gives you a 729 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: pretty at least a good idea of how old they were, 730 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: rather than seven hundred years, six hundred years, five hundred years. 731 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: But it is interesting to think that at least in 732 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 1: one analysis it put the range of old only around 733 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: two hundred years rather than you know, the five hundred 734 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 1: six hundred year range. Right, And even that, even that 735 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: measure is controversial, Right, You'll find a lot of people 736 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: who reject that. I just have to stay with this 737 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: casting characters, Who's who's the guy made Spinal Tap beston show? 738 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: Christopher Guest Christopher Guests feels like Kensington Runestones would be 739 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: a great Christopher Guest film. Oh, that's a really good 740 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: idea would be. There's a there's a really great, very 741 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: small part in um Waiting for Guffman where David Cross 742 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,439 Speaker 1: plays like a historian or something and he's talking about 743 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: you know, he's like a UFO, uh, the enthusiasts, and 744 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,800 Speaker 1: he said, in this circle and it's always two degrees 745 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 1: colder with a five percent chance of rain, like he's 746 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: out in the field. That's the only time you hear 747 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: from David Cross in that movie. But I love that part, 748 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: such a shot, shot, a bunch of other stuff, and 749 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: then it just ended up getting cut on the on 750 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 1: the cutting room floor because they play, they have a 751 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: good time with those movies. It's all, you know, mostly 752 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: improv I think, with like a skeletal outline. So I 753 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't doubt that that there's probably some good outtake somewhere 754 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: out there in the world. Well, Chris, if you, if 755 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,959 Speaker 1: you are listening to the show, let us know when 756 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: we can expect your feature film on the Kensington Ruined 757 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,880 Speaker 1: Stone and whether or not it is a hoax. Uh. 758 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: This there's one thing that I held back on that 759 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: I think I think is substantive and should be mentioned. 760 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people in the area today 761 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,879 Speaker 1: especially who say they believe in the veracity of the runestone. 762 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: Now is that measure of sincere belief or is that 763 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,479 Speaker 1: sort of like a regional pride thing? Right? Like how 764 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like how Atlanta still supports the Falcons, 765 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: But I don't think like like blame Missouri and their stools. 766 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: You know, that was another Christopher Guest reference. I'm just saying, 767 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: let's give it, let's give up both in But there 768 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 1: was one great comparison. I read from linguistics expert about this. 769 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,759 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this line to you guys, just 770 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: the one line. Remember when Neil Armstrong landed on the 771 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: moon in nineteen sixty nine and said, l m a 772 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 1: O this is tight. That's uh. That language is off 773 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: by about fifty years, says linguist Jackson Crawford, and his 774 00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: argument is that the language of the Kensington runestone is 775 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 1: off by about six hundred years. He's an he's an 776 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 1: old Norse specialist with a PhD. So, in his professional opinion, uh, 777 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: this was written far after it claimed to be written. 778 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it may have been written 779 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: around the late eight hundred mm hmm. Strange and suspect. 780 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 1: It really just brings you back to the question why 781 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 1: why would someone do this? And if it was the 782 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 1: farmer will Off, then why would he? I mean, why 783 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: didn't he sell it for more money? Why didn't it 784 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: become a tourist attraction of some sort. We've seen on 785 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: this show several times throughout the years where in places 786 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,239 Speaker 1: across the United States, a hoax of some kind will 787 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: begin and it takes on a life of its own. 788 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: And even if it has proven to be a hoax, 789 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: it becomes a museum or a place where you can 790 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 1: go and see it, and you know, the person who 791 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,759 Speaker 1: founded or the family can prosper from it, even if 792 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: it is considered a hoax by everybody. I mean, it's 793 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: a it's something that can happen, and it didn't seem 794 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 1: to happen that way for all Off. It It's just 795 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,479 Speaker 1: it's very weird and you didn't come forward to say, oh, yeah, 796 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: this was a hoax later on in life. Um, nobody 797 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 1: else did either. So maybe ol Off did discover something 798 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: that someone else hoaxed. Um, which is a possibility that 799 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,759 Speaker 1: we can't completely throw away. But it's just I don't know, 800 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 1: none of it feels right, or maybe maybe it just 801 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 1: doesn't amount too much. I guess that's why there's such 802 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: a problem with it when I'm thinking about it. However, 803 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,640 Speaker 1: you can go and see it right now. It's still 804 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: like this, and it's in a museum in the museum 805 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 1: right oh, yes, the Ruined Stone museum that you can 806 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 1: visit now, though maybe you don't want to go in person. 807 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,440 Speaker 1: Maybe you can do it virtually, but if you were 808 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,360 Speaker 1: going to go in person, it's at two oh six Broadway, Alexandria, 809 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: Minnesota A five six three oh eight. And uh, you know, 810 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,839 Speaker 1: there's a phone number you can call and you can 811 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 1: see all this stuff and learn more about the runestone itself, 812 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: at least according to the museum at rune Stone Museum 813 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: dot Org. Yep. And while you're there, why not make 814 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 1: a day of it. Uh. The Runestone Museum is just 815 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 1: across the way. It's walking distance from the Legacy of 816 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 1: the Lakes Museum. And uh g, I could you not 817 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: a gigantic Viking statue? Nice? So well, then in the 818 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,840 Speaker 1: runestone by the way at the museum is displayed beautifully. 819 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 1: It looks incredible. On that website you can you can 820 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 1: see lots of pictures of it. There's some videos in there. 821 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:46,160 Speaker 1: There's I think a few ships, like Scandinavian ships, and 822 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: there's a whole Scandinavian heritage exhibit there. That's I mean, 823 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,359 Speaker 1: I would say it's probably gonna be worth your time. 824 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,400 Speaker 1: I'd love to go. Yeah, I agreed. I would also 825 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: love to check this out. You can see the story 826 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: of this, you can get a map of the county there. Uh. 827 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:07,759 Speaker 1: You can also visit the Kensington room Stone Park, which 828 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: is a short drive from the museum and you can 829 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,759 Speaker 1: learn more at the Kensington Heritage Society. We want to 830 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 1: say again, there are people like there are people who 831 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,240 Speaker 1: believe that this is an honest the goshness Viking relic, 832 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: and then there are other people, to be candid, the 833 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,319 Speaker 1: majority of academics who believe that it is in some 834 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 1: way and historical hoax. But don't let that ruin a 835 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: good trip to the museum. You know what I mean? 836 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: I I that's one of the only things I miss 837 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: is I miss museums. Miss handshakes. Those are always those 838 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: have always been weird. Hugs hugs are weird, but museums 839 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: are great. Yeah, museums were nice and in zoos yeah, 840 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 1: well yeah, the Atlanta Zoo is back up and running. 841 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 1: It's it's got COVID safe precautions in place with they 842 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 1: only let a certain number of people in and I 843 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,919 Speaker 1: went and it wasn't too bad, And that's a good zoo. 844 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 1: I think Atlanta's there's a good zoo because it's a 845 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,360 Speaker 1: lot of the animals that are in there wouldn't survive 846 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: in the wild, which maybe some people take issue with 847 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 1: that version of events. I understand that, but it does 848 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 1: it's it's okay with me. And just because the Kensington 849 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: room stone is likely a hoax, it doesn't mean that 850 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,160 Speaker 1: Viking relics other Viking relics aren't real. It doesn't mean 851 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:35,600 Speaker 1: that there are not more strange tales of Free Columbus 852 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 1: era exploration from Europeans. You'll you'll see all kinds of arguments. 853 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,360 Speaker 1: There's there's one that's pretty interesting about Greek contact in 854 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: the fourth century b C. Because a guy named J. 855 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 1: Richard Stephie looked at the construction of a Greek ship 856 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,320 Speaker 1: from the fourth century and found they used a mixture 857 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:05,000 Speaker 1: of a gov leaves and pitch. Where does ave grow? Interesting? Right, 858 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,120 Speaker 1: it's not proof, but it's it's not fire, but it's smoke. 859 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: You can also learn more about theories about the priory 860 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 1: of psion and things like that which are um of 861 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:22,760 Speaker 1: varying lausibility and UH and the legend of St. Brendan, 862 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: the Irish monk UH. The list goes on. But I 863 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,640 Speaker 1: think if we are doing due diligence and admitting when 864 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,799 Speaker 1: something seems like a hoax, even though the story about 865 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: it would be cool, I think what we're doing our 866 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: due diligence. There we have to be careful to remember 867 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: that this does not in the sess. This does not 868 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 1: automatically mean every other controversial historical relic is somehow a hoax. 869 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,640 Speaker 1: And I think it's important that we keep that kind 870 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,839 Speaker 1: of thing in the backs of our minds whenever we're 871 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,280 Speaker 1: exploring something like this, Like even if even if everybody 872 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,200 Speaker 1: says it's a let's at least think about it in 873 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: on the base context of what everybody else is working 874 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: with before passing judgment. I think that's important. And to 875 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,840 Speaker 1: that end, we very much want to know what you 876 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 1: think about the Kensington run Stone. Uh, and you know 877 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,360 Speaker 1: any other thing that we just mentioned a few moments ago, 878 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,080 Speaker 1: but the Kensington run Stone in particular, have you been, 879 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,720 Speaker 1: have you seen it? Have you heard any tales about it? Um? 880 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,440 Speaker 1: I'd love to know your experience at the museum again, 881 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,680 Speaker 1: just so I can live through through your experience as 882 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,240 Speaker 1: I miss museums along with Ben and Noll and Paul. 883 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know what other kind of stuff about 884 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, pre contact, pre Columbus contact from Europeans here 885 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 1: in the America's what do you think about all of 886 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: that stuff? You can contact us. We're all over social 887 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,720 Speaker 1: media on Twitter and Facebook, we are conspiracy stuff. On Instagram, 888 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: we are conspiracy stuff show. That's right. If you want 889 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: to get a hold of us uh in a different way, 890 00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 1: you can join our Facebook group which is called Here's 891 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy easy as pie to get in. 892 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 1: Just a name and name, any name will do. An 893 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 1: interesting name, a name from conspiracy history, but but preferably 894 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 1: a name of myself or matter Ben or Mission Control 895 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:18,040 Speaker 1: or Doc Holiday and you're in. Or just make Ben laugh. Yes, yes, uh, 896 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 1: someone had a great, a great pun and I was 897 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,440 Speaker 1: laughing so hard that I just I just approved you. 898 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry I should have saved it for the air. Uh. 899 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 1: But yes, yes, let us know. We try to be 900 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 1: easy to find if you don't sip the social needs. UH. 901 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 1: If going online is not your bag of badgers, that 902 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,400 Speaker 1: we have a different rune stone for you to hit 903 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 1: up to contact us. Check out the series of uh 904 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 1: Nu miracle hieroglyphics on your phone your telephonic device, and 905 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,360 Speaker 1: UH cast a spell you know cast one eight three 906 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,080 Speaker 1: three see it with us st d W. White e 907 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,600 Speaker 1: K and you will speak directly into a void that 908 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:10,200 Speaker 1: may speak back. That's right. Rel poor one eight three 909 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:16,480 Speaker 1: three std w y T k Rell poor everyone, Uh whatever, 910 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,200 Speaker 1: my head. Maybe that's all good. There's there's three people 911 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,000 Speaker 1: listening that got that, and I hope you appreciate it 912 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: as much as I do. Yeah, because I think we're 913 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,200 Speaker 1: I think we're lost. Man, were trending. Yes, that's all good. Guys, 914 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: just gather as much blood moss and man man Drake rude. 915 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,000 Speaker 1: I think if you just gather a bunch of that, 916 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,520 Speaker 1: you need those re agents was that one from the 917 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,600 Speaker 1: sky Rim then the dragon yell? Those were rude based, 918 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:50,760 Speaker 1: weren't they? Yeah, exactly. Hey, And if you don't want 919 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,240 Speaker 1: to do any of that, you can send us a 920 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,720 Speaker 1: good old fust do ra. We are conspiracy at I 921 00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 1: heart radio dot com. M Stuff they don't want you 922 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,120 Speaker 1: to know is a production of I heart Radio. 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