WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Mongolian Death Worm 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:16.520 Thinking sideways. I don't. I'm not stories of things we 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.759 simply don't know the answer too. Well, Hey there, everybody, 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:27.080 and welcome to Thinking Sideways. As always on Steve joined 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:32.000 my my beloved co host. Well hey there, well, hey, 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.640 there is my signature lying. I know. I'm sorry. I 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:41.440 always make fun Yeah, you know, trying to be on radio. No, no, really, Well, 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.840 this week, ladies and gentlemen, we've of course got another 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.360 little mysterious story for you. And it's not just mysterious 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:53.519 as scary as hell. Well, you know, it's funny. As 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.440 I've found this and started looking it up, I realized 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.960 that it's kind of going into territory we've never gone 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:03.360 into before, which is cryptozoology. Actually we've been there. We've 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:08.560 covered the troop of cobra quite extensively, not really, but yeah, 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.840 and the the fairies count then, and I don't think 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.440 fairies count. We talked about the Yetti or Bigfoot. We've 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:21.360 talked of the state Marshmallow Yettie, Yeah, we did. I 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.559 was thinking about It's like, why haven't we ever gone 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.320 into the realm of cryptozoology yet? We just haven't gotten 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.720 there yet. We're just know we're getting around to it. Okay, 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.360 there's a lot of unsolved mysteries out there, Steve. We've 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.679 just scratched the surface, not even touched the tip of 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.360 the iceberg. Yeah, and we got to do this once 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:38.840 a week. Only once a week do we get to 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.399 solve the mystery, you know. So there's that's true. We 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.319 don't have enough time to Maybe we should go to 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:49.400 five days a week. I don't have time for that 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.279 time for that. No, I do not. I do not. Well, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.600 let's let's go into the story. What we're gonna talk 0:01:55.600 --> 0:02:00.560 about today is the Mongolian death word. I love that 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:06.240 it does have the most awesome name ever, death worm. 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.600 It sounds like a metal band. It's like the death Ship. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:15.320 Yeah right, death the death Star. We haven't covered that 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.079 one yet. I'll do it next week. I know you will. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:23.680 The story. If the name of this creature didn't already 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:29.720 clue anybody in, it's the Mongolian death worm. Is from Mongolia, which, 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.600 if you don't know your geography, Mongolia is north of China. 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:40.200 It's connected to Russia. It's in that whole upper region 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.320 of the European continent. Are they not in Europe, It's 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.200 in Asia. It's like yes, but yeah they're not. Yeah, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.200 it's not so much connected to Russia, but the borders 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.160 Russia and Russian sort of ran the country for a 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.400 long time, kind of dominated. It isn't Mongolia the reason 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.119 that the Great Wall of China exists. I believe that 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.880 the Mongolians were the invaders. Yes, yea, so we'll just 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.360 do that also for all of you who you know 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:09.079 need your Mulan references. All right, Well, the Mongol death 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:13.200 worm not a creature that you, evidently, according to local lore, 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:19.120 want to ever meet nor mess with. Deadly as hell deadly. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:23.000 That's why they call it. The death is the jury room. Yeah, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:31.400 the paper cuff, the death worm, the mildly annoying worm. Yeah, absolutely, 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.320 Let's be honest. Aren't most worms mildly annoying? There are 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.800 a lot of gross Yeah. They only come out when 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.240 it's like wet and rainy. I actually really like regular worms. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.840 They do great things in my yard, know they do. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:44.360 But when they kind out, when they come out of 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:45.720 the woodwork and you have to look at them, that 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.400 kind of gross. Yeah, I don't think so. How can 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.360 you tell what they're facing, what their butt is? I 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.280 don't have to because there were a worm, and I 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.320 just don't care. I throw them back into the dirt 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.960 and say, away with you, a little one, and don't 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.400 eat that stuff. I hope you say that every time 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.960 you do anything to a worm. Away with you, little one. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.720 Let's say, like wash my hands, now, I just wipe 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:13.080 a momba pants. Okay, Well, here's the thing. We're gonna 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.120 say this right from the outset. The Mongolian death worm 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:21.560 has never been confirmed to exist. So this is truly cryptozoology. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:26.480 No carcass, no life specimen um, you know, no pictures 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.640 of it, no audio. But I don't know what audio 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:34.280 worm would bake, so now that doesn't exist either. And 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.599 then the sound of a body hitting the ground. I 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.120 was going to say it would be like rumbling underground, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:44.520 right because it tunnels. Apparently it does make ripples in 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.480 I mean, I'm just saying we've all learned from dune 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.600 critters and critters. But tremors, yeah, that they kind of 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.360 make the noise. I kind of do have that awesome 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.920 Hollywood sound effect. Well, let's let's let's start talking about 0:04:59.920 --> 0:05:02.760 the death worm a little bit, talking about the specifics 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:08.839 about the death worm. It's really huge, No, not actually 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.640 According to the locals who believe in the death worm, it's, 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.440 as we said, found in the Mongolian desert in the 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.160 Gobi Desert, actually is not the Mongolian but the Toby Desert, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.320 and it only comes out during the hottest months of 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.360 the year, which evidently are June and July. And you're 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.080 likely to see the death worm right after a heavy rain, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.039 just like normal worm, just like normal work. I wonder 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.080 how many times you get a heavy rain in the 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.640 Gobi Desert in June and July. I don't think it has. 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.640 It's probably all that often. Yeah, that's why you don't 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:46.800 see why you exactly according to the locals, they they 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.760 call it and I'm doing my best on this pronunciation 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:55.760 all goy hi, probably badly pronounced, but it's not pretty 0:05:55.760 --> 0:06:01.440 good to me. Yeah, loosely translated, that translates to intestine 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:06.480 worm or large intestine worm, and that's supposed to be 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.400 in reference to the fact that it's red in color, 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:15.720 kind of blood like, and the size, which is evidently 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.920 supposed to be about the size of a human intestine 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.440 around I'm guessing is what they mean, because the human 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.920 testine is actually really really long, maybe also long maybe 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.040 never mind, I'll bring my theories up later. Okay. So 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.359 some say that it has dark red splotches on it, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:39.120 so red spots, darker red spots. It's supposed to be 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.520 between two to five ft long, which I believe equates 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.320 to about one to one and a half meters long. 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.760 I did do the math to figure that out. Why 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.600 would you do it in the meters because everything reported 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:58.520 it meters so that I remembered what I saw. And 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.719 this is a description that really I don't know how 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.360 to quantify. It's supposed to be as thick as a 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:11.600 man's arm, so that means my forearm, my bicep, Schwarzenegger's bicep, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.520 like I don't know whose arm this is in reference to, Well, 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:18.880 probably the Mongolian's arm, and they're probably a little smaller 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:23.480 than ours. Maybe maybe the creature has no scales on 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:27.440 its body, so it's got smooth skin. And it doesn't 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:31.960 have eyes or a mouth or any kind of sensory organs. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.920 It doesn't have a mouth that are visible. People can't 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.400 tell probably well, and and let me hear let me, 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.000 let me get to this next bit, and that'll kind 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.920 of maybe help us a little bit. Is it's not 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.040 you have an earthworm. They're tapered and they come to 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.840 a point on both ends. According to the lore the 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.560 death worm, it ends bluntly at both ends, so it's 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.920 it just tapers along, rounds off and it's done. So 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.680 it's not as if it's got a flat end and 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.360 a point the end. It's it's the same on both sides, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.600 and so people can't tell according to this that what 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.240 end is, what what's front, what's back, just like a 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:15.040 regular worm, as you said, Okay, okay, Now there are 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:20.160 accounts that say that it has uh, it does have teeth. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.560 It does have a mouth, and that mouth is filled 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.480 with sharp teeth, rows and rows of sharp teeth, yes, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.440 which when it attached you allows it to drill straight 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.480 through your body, just like spinning around wildly and just 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.839 like right like the lamp rays that we have to 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.920 damn right, yeah, justsgusting. Well you can see their mouths 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.840 when they've got a big sucker mouthful of teeth and 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.720 then they just kind of drill into something right in 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.640 that how they do that into the side of fish 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.960 and stuff like that. Usually Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.640 that's a brutal way to kill something, and so I 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.079 I never want to meet one of these things. It 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.760 will do it to me, like when I go deer hunting, 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.560 you know, like I could just like grab him and 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.920 chew my way through them their side like that. But 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.880 I usually shoot him because I'm a nice guy. Never 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:15.040 mind the catching them while running and chewing gun because 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.520 it's more humane. I think we're just learning something about 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.280 Joe and the fact that he apparently has a rotator 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.200 drill of a mouth. Yeah, that we haven't been seeing 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.000 this whole time. I don't want I don't want to 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.480 know what other secrets he's keeping. I don't either. It's 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.040 in the basement. Yeah, let's let's let's keep going here. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.520 The death worm, it's got quite a few tricks up 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.199 its sleeve for how it will defend itself. Oh, because 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.160 the drill mouth wasn't enough. Exactly okay, exactly sure. The 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.280 first is that when threatened, it can change its skin 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:53.440 color from red to yellow. It can spit poison at 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:58.000 its enemy, so it's projects some kind of yellowish poison. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.960 And as a on topper, Oh, by the way, it 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.160 produces electricity. You can electrocut you totally electricity. I recall 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:10.480 reading a tale about some herdsman reported that they it's 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.040 like zapped an entire herd of camels and kill them. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:17.199 All that was. That was one of the stories that 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.120 that I came across. Let's see what else if we 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.960 got here about this worm. I think we've talked about 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.280 regular earthworms, and it's probably pretty important for people to 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.800 kind of get an idea what this thing is supposed 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.720 to look like. Is it doesn't look like a regular 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.920 earthworm in terms of you know, earthworms are kind of 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.280 they're slimy and they're gooey. Well, it can't be a 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.520 regular earthworm because it's in the desert and earthworms have 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.120 really permeable skin to let water in and out. So 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.600 it's it's not like you would think of as the texture. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.360 That's why I pointed out it's got no scales, but 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.880 smooth skin makes me think that would be like kind 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.800 of a dry skin might have. It might actually have 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.520 small scales, because nobody ever seems to get too close 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:04.000 to this or really large like. So something that I 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:08.560 will likely be referencing this whole episode long is the 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.839 dune worms, right, And they didn't have like scales per se. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:17.480 It was each section was one great like scale scale 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.520 that would be possible too, And those were handy to 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.520 you because you could like catch a ride by hooking. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.679 You're working your hooks underneath those things and then drive them. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.120 Totally was I was researching this. I was totally watching 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:33.040 that scene on Yeah, he rides it up, but I 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.560 didn't try to pronounce it the you know, to put 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.440 it in the story, because I could not pronounce the 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.160 word that they used for the worm and due a 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.560 complicated like a very complicated made up language. Yeah, I 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.839 forgot s been so long since I've read that. The way, 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.360 if there's any any listeners out there who are movie 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.640 directors or a movie pretty serious, could you guys do 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.360 a remake and do it right this time? That would 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:59.040 be nice, Okay, because as you pointed out to me, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:04.559 you know, they made a Longolian deathware movie. What it 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:10.680 looked surprisingly shockingly like a combination of the worms from 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.800 Tremors and Dune. Yeah it was a lot bigger, Yeah, 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:20.200 giantly huge. Well, we're way off track already. This is 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:25.079 going to keep happening, I can tell um. Uh, let's see, 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.120 so Joe had talked about this. There's there's a bunch 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.360 of stories about how deadly it is. And Joe had 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.400 talked about the herd of camel that had walked over 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.599 it and it shocked the crap out of him and 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.959 killed him from the ground, right, It just stuck its 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.040 tail up a little bit, and well it was underground, 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.520 and they walked over the ground and disturbed it. Yeah. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.840 When yeah, that noise, what was that noise? That one 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:55.320 right there? Uh, there is another story where there was 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.600 a man in the desert and he had an iron 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.959 rod in his hand for fun. Yeah, you just sitting 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.000 around board poking it in the sand, and suddenly fell 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.640 over dead. And when his friends came over to see 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.160 what was going on, there was a Mongolian deathworm squirming 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.280 in the sand where he had been poking the rod, 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.240 So obviously he had poked it and it had shocked 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.040 him and killed him. They didn't pick up the rod 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.040 and poked the worm some more, maybe because they had 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:25.319 just seen their friend full over dead. I don't know. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.080 In conjunction with the electricity, as we talked about, it 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:34.760 has the poison thing going on quite accurately, accurately, and 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.679 evidently that whatever toxin that's in it is also on 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.040 its skin. Because if you touch it it will kill you. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:49.240 So and yeah, so super deadly. Yeah yeah, I actually 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.719 think that, like cobra venom, isn't it if you get 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.120 that stuff on your hand, it will make you sick. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.520 That No, it won't kill you. You don't you absorb it, 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.840 didn't it makes you sick. It's like when people get 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.800 snake venom shot in their eye and it blinds them temporarily. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:05.800 I think it's the same thing as you absorb it 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.600 and your body reacts to it, which is gross, but 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.800 it's evidently what this little critter is capable of doing. Oh, 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.280 I guess I just kind of envisioned that it would 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.440 be like really corrosive, So it just kind of like 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.680 eat its way through your skin into your blood and 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.600 kill you. And and the stories say that the venom 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.640 is so corrosive that it will it will corrode iron. Yeah, 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.120 so it would. It would just eat its way into 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.600 your blood system and then kill you, open up, veins, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:39.240 keep going. It's like alien blood, aliens, aliens just like 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.240 those gets sprayed with it, acidic blood and you bleed out, 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:50.640 You're you're you're cooked. Very where does it live? According 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.600 to the locals, like we said it's Indigobe desert, but 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:59.160 they say that they have seen it around the black soxel, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.800 which is it's either a bush or a small tree 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.160 that's in the desert. And they say to that you're 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:11.440 guaranteed to see a death worm there if there is 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.080 another plant that is growing there, which is called the 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:19.240 desert thumb or gosh. I can't remember what what language 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.080 it is. They call it the Tartu, yeah, tartouth, and 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.200 I can't remember which language that comes from. And that 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:32.320 evidently has some weird parasitic relationship with the the black 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.640 soxhole apparently likes to grow on the route to the 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.920 and they say that when those two are living in conjunction, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.000 that's when you're likely to find the Mongolian deathworm. And 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.400 there's been a lot of conjecture of well, maybe it 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.200 feeds on the roots of the two and that's how 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.800 it makes it's poison. I don't know. Again, this is 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.400 just the story of saying that's where you'll find it 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.160 is when you because my in my brain I was like, wow, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.960 I wonder if those trees together like produce a hallucined 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.120 gen of some kind and people are just seeing their 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:10.800 roots my brain went right. They were like, oh, maybe 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.720 they feed on the roots, and I'm like, they're probably 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:17.280 just hallucinating. I'll tell you what I am. When I 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.560 get high, I usually choose not to see things like 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.560 death worms. I'm glad that you can choose that. I 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.040 think many people that I know of are able to 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.640 do that. But I just I could don't see death 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.040 worms when I'm doing mushrooms or anything like that. Well 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.160 that's because you're not in Mongolia. Yeah, maybe you're on 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.560 your couch watching Tom and Jerry, and Mongolians are a 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.160 little different, I suppose there. There hasn't been a lot 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:43.640 written in English for many, many years about the Mongolian deathworm, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.080 and I think we alluded this a little bit earlier. 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.080 In part of that is because of the fact that 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:55.360 Mongolia was controlled by the Soviets, so anything in their 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:59.320 language is not the same. So anything that was translated 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:04.440 from mongol and usually got translated into Russian and then 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.919 maybe bits and pieces of it would be about the 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.560 death worm, and then it could slowly get brought over 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.000 into English. But the first thing that it was ever 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:18.080 written in English about this creature it was in six 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.080 by a professor by the name of Roy Chapman Andrews. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:27.720 Evidently he traveled to Mongolia. The people's they're told him 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.000 there was some high ranking official that that that told 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.639 him about this creature. They offered him some kind of 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.040 reward if he could find one. But he wrote about 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.360 it in a book he wrote, which was called On 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.960 the Trail of Ancient Man. But it was pretty obvious 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:49.120 that Andrews didn't believe them, and he didn't actually think 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:50.960 it was true because he wrote about it, but he 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.080 was real skeptical in his first writing. He followed up 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.119 like six years later with another book and he talked 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.320 about it again and he added a little bit, but 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.399 still he was very hassi mystic. Yeah, I think that 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.640 I think it was there. Skeptical is the word you're 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.080 thinking of it. It's like the skeptical is. One of 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.159 the things that he noticed is that everybody talked about 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.880 having a friend of a friend of a cousin who 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.919 had seen one for sure, you know, so everybody believed it, 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:20.320 but nobody he ever talked to everything firsthand. Nobody And yeah, 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.280 in fact, no, there's nobody out there who's ever seen 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.240 one firsthand that we all know of anyway, I'm getting 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.960 ahead of you. Well, we'll not too far ahead. That's okay, 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:30.560 We're gonna we're gonna get a little more into here, 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.680 because there's there's been a lot of people who have 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.280 been trying to find the death worm. And those old 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.280 writings that I talked about from the twenties aren't the 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.479 only stuff. Once the Soviet Union started to crumble and 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.720 things started coming out and other writings, that's how we 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.280 heard about it. So a lot of the stuff that 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.919 you find it tends to be repeated. Well, and we 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.760 know enough about the Soviet Union in Russia to know 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.080 that they suppressed things all the time. They know a 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:05.920 lot of stuff about alien in cryptozo ously. Yeah. Well, 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.040 and you know I talked about the fact that the 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.840 Mongolian language the writings have been translated into Russian. Some 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.720 of that writing had actually been translated by a very 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:23.560 specific guy by the name of Ivan Mackerel. Mackerel Mackerel, 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.040 I think that's how you say his name, And he's 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.359 a he's a check native. He evidently learned about the 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.960 death worm back in the nineteen eighties. He became enamored 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.679 with the idea, and he decided that he had to 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:40.679 find this creature, and so he started launching expeditions to 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.920 find it. He made his first trip to the Gobie 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.160 in and it was obviously wasn't just him. He took 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.359 along a bunch of people with him, and then he 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:54.879 did it again in two and a lot of the 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.720 stuff that he wrote was obviously things that he had 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.600 heard from either natives or in writing. But once he 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.199 went looking for it, well that's where the whole thing 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:09.520 kind of falls apart. Okay, we've we've been talking about 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:15.760 two very specific movie creatures so far done and Tremors. Yeah, okay, 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:21.960 Doom came out in four Tremors came out in movies. Movies, 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.879 was right, Yeah, you're right, I'm talking about the movie. 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:31.000 And this guy did his first trip in nine. He 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:35.000 and his fellow researchers evidently were enamored with the movie 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.960 and believed that it was the key to finding the 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:43.640 Mongolian deathworm. Uh huh, Well, in the book and how 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:47.800 things happened because it was based on like they're talking 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.760 about the secret knowledge. So are these the guys that 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:56.240 basically created thumpers, Like, yes, that's exactly right. They would 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.280 pound on the ground with their hands and feet they 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:03.160 had machines. They using small explosives to create the thumping 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:08.560 to try and call these creatures to the surface. Okay, 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.959 I know we're all staring each other kind of dumbfounded. 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.840 Thank you. I just really again, you know, I have 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.040 those moments on this show where like I will stare 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.680 at you and it's like dumbfounded, are you kidding me? 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:25.440 And then remember, oh crap, we're recording something. People can't 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.760 see this face that I'm making. That is the face 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:33.240 that I'm making, because what Yes, they were trying to 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.879 make their own thumpers because they were convinced that it 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.720 was just like the creature from the books in the movie. 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:43.160 Do not necessarily a really brilliant assumption to make. No, no, 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.479 not not the best scientific method. And the other thing 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.600 about you know, the sand worms in Dune is that 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:52.880 whenever they caught the slightest vibration, they came zipping along 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.080 because they wanted to eat you. And then the Mongolian deathworm, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.840 it seems it's kind of shy. He might hear the 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.679 thought and then go the other direct. Exactly likely. I mean, 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.280 he's not going to come and try to charge up 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.679 and eat a human being. Yeah, And and there's there's 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.080 since he's since Ivan's done his I think he did 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:13.440 two or three that I know of expeditions, there's been 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.080 at least a dozen that I found record of people 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.560 going looking for the Mongolian death worm. The last one 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:22.920 I think I saw was in two thousand ten or 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.680 two thousand twelve somebody I think was from somebody from 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.000 the forty in Institute forty times, which I know I've 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.719 sent you stuff from both of you, which anybody who 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.960 hasn't ever gone at times. At times it's kind of 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.200 a fun read. They have some funny stuff up there. 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:43.800 But they funded an episode their expedition for this people 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.080 to go out and people were using ultra lights to 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:50.040 fly around the area so that they weren't disturbing the 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.359 ground to try to find him, because they were thinking, 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.159 as Joe was saying, maybe they're really shy and they 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.639 can tell when you're coming. And maybe it's just that 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.920 when you're sitting around you catch them unaware in the surface. 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:05.480 I don't know. That's though. About the extent of the 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.400 information that we have about the Goalie and death worm, 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.800 there must be some really great theories about this. Oh yeah, 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:16.879 oh yeah, and trust me. I've found a bunch of 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:18.919 fun ones that I even made one up. You know, 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.359 I actually made one up in the spot too. I 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:22.919 was going to say, I have to. I mean, I have. 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:24.800 The one I've already told you is that they're high. 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:27.280 I think it's there. What is that? Yeah, but I 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.360 think it's actually much more sinister than this. I mean, 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.440 people think see the worm and they think, well, we're 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.640 looking at a two to five ft long worm here. 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:38.040 But what if it's not a worm? What if it's 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.600 just like the tentacle of some gigantic creature under the 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:49.239 ground exactly Santulu. Yeah, yeah, so that's just that's just 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.360 something I thought it'd so out. I was going to say, 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.520 it's like a leftover from accidental human sacrifices. Yeah, it's 0:23:55.560 --> 0:24:00.879 just actual bits of intestine journe about that's really really disturbing. 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.800 Thank you for sharing it. Can we get to the 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.159