Speaker 1: Thinking sideways. I don't. I'm not stories of things we
Speaker 1: simply don't know the answer too. Well, Hey there, everybody,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Thinking Sideways. As always on Steve joined
Speaker 1: my my beloved co host. Well hey there, well, hey,
Speaker 1: there is my signature lying. I know. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: always make fun Yeah, you know, trying to be on radio. No, no, really, Well,
Speaker 1: this week, ladies and gentlemen, we've of course got another
Speaker 1: little mysterious story for you. And it's not just mysterious
Speaker 1: as scary as hell. Well, you know, it's funny. As
Speaker 1: I've found this and started looking it up, I realized
Speaker 1: that it's kind of going into territory we've never gone
Speaker 1: into before, which is cryptozoology. Actually we've been there. We've
Speaker 1: covered the troop of cobra quite extensively, not really, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and the the fairies count then, and I don't think
Speaker 1: fairies count. We talked about the Yetti or Bigfoot. We've
Speaker 1: talked of the state Marshmallow Yettie, Yeah, we did. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about It's like, why haven't we ever gone
Speaker 1: into the realm of cryptozoology yet? We just haven't gotten
Speaker 1: there yet. We're just know we're getting around to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of unsolved mysteries out there, Steve. We've
Speaker 1: just scratched the surface, not even touched the tip of
Speaker 1: the iceberg. Yeah, and we got to do this once
Speaker 1: a week. Only once a week do we get to
Speaker 1: solve the mystery, you know. So there's that's true. We
Speaker 1: don't have enough time to Maybe we should go to
Speaker 1: five days a week. I don't have time for that
Speaker 1: time for that. No, I do not. I do not. Well,
Speaker 1: let's let's go into the story. What we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about today is the Mongolian death word. I love that
Speaker 1: it does have the most awesome name ever, death worm.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a metal band. It's like the death Ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, death the death Star. We haven't covered that
Speaker 1: one yet. I'll do it next week. I know you will.
Speaker 1: The story. If the name of this creature didn't already
Speaker 1: clue anybody in, it's the Mongolian death worm. Is from Mongolia, which,
Speaker 1: if you don't know your geography, Mongolia is north of China.
Speaker 1: It's connected to Russia. It's in that whole upper region
Speaker 1: of the European continent. Are they not in Europe, It's
Speaker 1: in Asia. It's like yes, but yeah they're not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not so much connected to Russia, but the borders
Speaker 1: Russia and Russian sort of ran the country for a
Speaker 1: long time, kind of dominated. It isn't Mongolia the reason
Speaker 1: that the Great Wall of China exists. I believe that
Speaker 1: the Mongolians were the invaders. Yes, yea, so we'll just
Speaker 1: do that also for all of you who you know
Speaker 1: need your Mulan references. All right, Well, the Mongol death
Speaker 1: worm not a creature that you, evidently, according to local lore,
Speaker 1: want to ever meet nor mess with. Deadly as hell deadly.
Speaker 1: That's why they call it. The death is the jury room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the paper cuff, the death worm, the mildly annoying worm. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Aren't most worms mildly annoying? There are
Speaker 1: a lot of gross Yeah. They only come out when
Speaker 1: it's like wet and rainy. I actually really like regular worms.
Speaker 1: They do great things in my yard, know they do.
Speaker 1: But when they kind out, when they come out of
Speaker 1: the woodwork and you have to look at them, that
Speaker 1: kind of gross. Yeah, I don't think so. How can
Speaker 1: you tell what they're facing, what their butt is? I
Speaker 1: don't have to because there were a worm, and I
Speaker 1: just don't care. I throw them back into the dirt
Speaker 1: and say, away with you, a little one, and don't
Speaker 1: eat that stuff. I hope you say that every time
Speaker 1: you do anything to a worm. Away with you, little one.
Speaker 1: Let's say, like wash my hands, now, I just wipe
Speaker 1: a momba pants. Okay, Well, here's the thing. We're gonna
Speaker 1: say this right from the outset. The Mongolian death worm
Speaker 1: has never been confirmed to exist. So this is truly cryptozoology.
Speaker 1: No carcass, no life specimen um, you know, no pictures
Speaker 1: of it, no audio. But I don't know what audio
Speaker 1: worm would bake, so now that doesn't exist either. And
Speaker 1: then the sound of a body hitting the ground. I
Speaker 1: was going to say it would be like rumbling underground,
Speaker 1: right because it tunnels. Apparently it does make ripples in
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying we've all learned from dune
Speaker 1: critters and critters. But tremors, yeah, that they kind of
Speaker 1: make the noise. I kind of do have that awesome
Speaker 1: Hollywood sound effect. Well, let's let's let's start talking about
Speaker 1: the death worm a little bit, talking about the specifics
Speaker 1: about the death worm. It's really huge, No, not actually
Speaker 1: According to the locals who believe in the death worm, it's,
Speaker 1: as we said, found in the Mongolian desert in the
Speaker 1: Gobi Desert, actually is not the Mongolian but the Toby Desert,
Speaker 1: and it only comes out during the hottest months of
Speaker 1: the year, which evidently are June and July. And you're
Speaker 1: likely to see the death worm right after a heavy rain,
Speaker 1: just like normal worm, just like normal work. I wonder
Speaker 1: how many times you get a heavy rain in the
Speaker 1: Gobi Desert in June and July. I don't think it has.
Speaker 1: It's probably all that often. Yeah, that's why you don't
Speaker 1: see why you exactly according to the locals, they they
Speaker 1: call it and I'm doing my best on this pronunciation
Speaker 1: all goy hi, probably badly pronounced, but it's not pretty
Speaker 1: good to me. Yeah, loosely translated, that translates to intestine
Speaker 1: worm or large intestine worm, and that's supposed to be
Speaker 1: in reference to the fact that it's red in color,
Speaker 1: kind of blood like, and the size, which is evidently
Speaker 1: supposed to be about the size of a human intestine
Speaker 1: around I'm guessing is what they mean, because the human
Speaker 1: testine is actually really really long, maybe also long maybe
Speaker 1: never mind, I'll bring my theories up later. Okay. So
Speaker 1: some say that it has dark red splotches on it,
Speaker 1: so red spots, darker red spots. It's supposed to be
Speaker 1: between two to five ft long, which I believe equates
Speaker 1: to about one to one and a half meters long.
Speaker 1: I did do the math to figure that out. Why
Speaker 1: would you do it in the meters because everything reported
Speaker 1: it meters so that I remembered what I saw. And
Speaker 1: this is a description that really I don't know how
Speaker 1: to quantify. It's supposed to be as thick as a
Speaker 1: man's arm, so that means my forearm, my bicep, Schwarzenegger's bicep,
Speaker 1: like I don't know whose arm this is in reference to, Well,
Speaker 1: probably the Mongolian's arm, and they're probably a little smaller
Speaker 1: than ours. Maybe maybe the creature has no scales on
Speaker 1: its body, so it's got smooth skin. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: have eyes or a mouth or any kind of sensory organs.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have a mouth that are visible. People can't
Speaker 1: tell probably well, and and let me hear let me,
Speaker 1: let me get to this next bit, and that'll kind
Speaker 1: of maybe help us a little bit. Is it's not
Speaker 1: you have an earthworm. They're tapered and they come to
Speaker 1: a point on both ends. According to the lore the
Speaker 1: death worm, it ends bluntly at both ends, so it's
Speaker 1: it just tapers along, rounds off and it's done. So
Speaker 1: it's not as if it's got a flat end and
Speaker 1: a point the end. It's it's the same on both sides,
Speaker 1: and so people can't tell according to this that what
Speaker 1: end is, what what's front, what's back, just like a
Speaker 1: regular worm, as you said, Okay, okay, Now there are
Speaker 1: accounts that say that it has uh, it does have teeth.
Speaker 1: It does have a mouth, and that mouth is filled
Speaker 1: with sharp teeth, rows and rows of sharp teeth, yes,
Speaker 1: which when it attached you allows it to drill straight
Speaker 1: through your body, just like spinning around wildly and just
Speaker 1: like right like the lamp rays that we have to
Speaker 1: damn right, yeah, justsgusting. Well you can see their mouths
Speaker 1: when they've got a big sucker mouthful of teeth and
Speaker 1: then they just kind of drill into something right in
Speaker 1: that how they do that into the side of fish
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Usually Yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's
Speaker 1: that's a brutal way to kill something, and so I
Speaker 1: I never want to meet one of these things. It
Speaker 1: will do it to me, like when I go deer hunting,
Speaker 1: you know, like I could just like grab him and
Speaker 1: chew my way through them their side like that. But
Speaker 1: I usually shoot him because I'm a nice guy. Never
Speaker 1: mind the catching them while running and chewing gun because
Speaker 1: it's more humane. I think we're just learning something about
Speaker 1: Joe and the fact that he apparently has a rotator
Speaker 1: drill of a mouth. Yeah, that we haven't been seeing
Speaker 1: this whole time. I don't want I don't want to
Speaker 1: know what other secrets he's keeping. I don't either. It's
Speaker 1: in the basement. Yeah, let's let's let's keep going here.
Speaker 1: The death worm, it's got quite a few tricks up
Speaker 1: its sleeve for how it will defend itself. Oh, because
Speaker 1: the drill mouth wasn't enough. Exactly okay, exactly sure. The
Speaker 1: first is that when threatened, it can change its skin
Speaker 1: color from red to yellow. It can spit poison at
Speaker 1: its enemy, so it's projects some kind of yellowish poison.
Speaker 1: And as a on topper, Oh, by the way, it
Speaker 1: produces electricity. You can electrocut you totally electricity. I recall
Speaker 1: reading a tale about some herdsman reported that they it's
Speaker 1: like zapped an entire herd of camels and kill them.
Speaker 1: All that was. That was one of the stories that
Speaker 1: that I came across. Let's see what else if we
Speaker 1: got here about this worm. I think we've talked about
Speaker 1: regular earthworms, and it's probably pretty important for people to
Speaker 1: kind of get an idea what this thing is supposed
Speaker 1: to look like. Is it doesn't look like a regular
Speaker 1: earthworm in terms of you know, earthworms are kind of
Speaker 1: they're slimy and they're gooey. Well, it can't be a
Speaker 1: regular earthworm because it's in the desert and earthworms have
Speaker 1: really permeable skin to let water in and out. So
Speaker 1: it's it's not like you would think of as the texture.
Speaker 1: That's why I pointed out it's got no scales, but
Speaker 1: smooth skin makes me think that would be like kind
Speaker 1: of a dry skin might have. It might actually have
Speaker 1: small scales, because nobody ever seems to get too close
Speaker 1: to this or really large like. So something that I
Speaker 1: will likely be referencing this whole episode long is the
Speaker 1: dune worms, right, And they didn't have like scales per se.
Speaker 1: It was each section was one great like scale scale
Speaker 1: that would be possible too, And those were handy to
Speaker 1: you because you could like catch a ride by hooking.
Speaker 1: You're working your hooks underneath those things and then drive them.
Speaker 1: Totally was I was researching this. I was totally watching
Speaker 1: that scene on Yeah, he rides it up, but I
Speaker 1: didn't try to pronounce it the you know, to put
Speaker 1: it in the story, because I could not pronounce the
Speaker 1: word that they used for the worm and due a
Speaker 1: complicated like a very complicated made up language. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: forgot s been so long since I've read that. The way,
Speaker 1: if there's any any listeners out there who are movie
Speaker 1: directors or a movie pretty serious, could you guys do
Speaker 1: a remake and do it right this time? That would
Speaker 1: be nice, Okay, because as you pointed out to me,
Speaker 1: you know, they made a Longolian deathware movie. What it
Speaker 1: looked surprisingly shockingly like a combination of the worms from
Speaker 1: Tremors and Dune. Yeah it was a lot bigger, Yeah,
Speaker 1: giantly huge. Well, we're way off track already. This is
Speaker 1: going to keep happening, I can tell um. Uh, let's see,
Speaker 1: so Joe had talked about this. There's there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of stories about how deadly it is. And Joe had
Speaker 1: talked about the herd of camel that had walked over
Speaker 1: it and it shocked the crap out of him and
Speaker 1: killed him from the ground, right, It just stuck its
Speaker 1: tail up a little bit, and well it was underground,
Speaker 1: and they walked over the ground and disturbed it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When yeah, that noise, what was that noise? That one
Speaker 1: right there? Uh, there is another story where there was
Speaker 1: a man in the desert and he had an iron
Speaker 1: rod in his hand for fun. Yeah, you just sitting
Speaker 1: around board poking it in the sand, and suddenly fell
Speaker 1: over dead. And when his friends came over to see
Speaker 1: what was going on, there was a Mongolian deathworm squirming
Speaker 1: in the sand where he had been poking the rod,
Speaker 1: So obviously he had poked it and it had shocked
Speaker 1: him and killed him. They didn't pick up the rod
Speaker 1: and poked the worm some more, maybe because they had
Speaker 1: just seen their friend full over dead. I don't know.
Speaker 1: In conjunction with the electricity, as we talked about, it
Speaker 1: has the poison thing going on quite accurately, accurately, and
Speaker 1: evidently that whatever toxin that's in it is also on
Speaker 1: its skin. Because if you touch it it will kill you.
Speaker 1: So and yeah, so super deadly. Yeah yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: think that, like cobra venom, isn't it if you get
Speaker 1: that stuff on your hand, it will make you sick.
Speaker 1: That No, it won't kill you. You don't you absorb it,
Speaker 1: didn't it makes you sick. It's like when people get
Speaker 1: snake venom shot in their eye and it blinds them temporarily.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing as you absorb it
Speaker 1: and your body reacts to it, which is gross, but
Speaker 1: it's evidently what this little critter is capable of doing. Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I just kind of envisioned that it would
Speaker 1: be like really corrosive, So it just kind of like
Speaker 1: eat its way through your skin into your blood and
Speaker 1: kill you. And and the stories say that the venom
Speaker 1: is so corrosive that it will it will corrode iron. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it would. It would just eat its way into
Speaker 1: your blood system and then kill you, open up, veins,
Speaker 1: keep going. It's like alien blood, aliens, aliens just like
Speaker 1: those gets sprayed with it, acidic blood and you bleed out,
Speaker 1: You're you're you're cooked. Very where does it live? According
Speaker 1: to the locals, like we said it's Indigobe desert, but
Speaker 1: they say that they have seen it around the black soxel,
Speaker 1: which is it's either a bush or a small tree
Speaker 1: that's in the desert. And they say to that you're
Speaker 1: guaranteed to see a death worm there if there is
Speaker 1: another plant that is growing there, which is called the
Speaker 1: desert thumb or gosh. I can't remember what what language
Speaker 1: it is. They call it the Tartu, yeah, tartouth, and
Speaker 1: I can't remember which language that comes from. And that
Speaker 1: evidently has some weird parasitic relationship with the the black
Speaker 1: soxhole apparently likes to grow on the route to the
Speaker 1: and they say that when those two are living in conjunction,
Speaker 1: that's when you're likely to find the Mongolian deathworm. And
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of conjecture of well, maybe it
Speaker 1: feeds on the roots of the two and that's how
Speaker 1: it makes it's poison. I don't know. Again, this is
Speaker 1: just the story of saying that's where you'll find it
Speaker 1: is when you because my in my brain I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I wonder if those trees together like produce a hallucined
Speaker 1: gen of some kind and people are just seeing their
Speaker 1: roots my brain went right. They were like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: they feed on the roots, and I'm like, they're probably
Speaker 1: just hallucinating. I'll tell you what I am. When I
Speaker 1: get high, I usually choose not to see things like
Speaker 1: death worms. I'm glad that you can choose that. I
Speaker 1: think many people that I know of are able to
Speaker 1: do that. But I just I could don't see death
Speaker 1: worms when I'm doing mushrooms or anything like that. Well
Speaker 1: that's because you're not in Mongolia. Yeah, maybe you're on
Speaker 1: your couch watching Tom and Jerry, and Mongolians are a
Speaker 1: little different, I suppose there. There hasn't been a lot
Speaker 1: written in English for many, many years about the Mongolian deathworm,
Speaker 1: and I think we alluded this a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1: In part of that is because of the fact that
Speaker 1: Mongolia was controlled by the Soviets, so anything in their
Speaker 1: language is not the same. So anything that was translated
Speaker 1: from mongol and usually got translated into Russian and then
Speaker 1: maybe bits and pieces of it would be about the
Speaker 1: death worm, and then it could slowly get brought over
Speaker 1: into English. But the first thing that it was ever
Speaker 1: written in English about this creature it was in six
Speaker 1: by a professor by the name of Roy Chapman Andrews.
Speaker 1: Evidently he traveled to Mongolia. The people's they're told him
Speaker 1: there was some high ranking official that that that told
Speaker 1: him about this creature. They offered him some kind of
Speaker 1: reward if he could find one. But he wrote about
Speaker 1: it in a book he wrote, which was called On
Speaker 1: the Trail of Ancient Man. But it was pretty obvious
Speaker 1: that Andrews didn't believe them, and he didn't actually think
Speaker 1: it was true because he wrote about it, but he
Speaker 1: was real skeptical in his first writing. He followed up
Speaker 1: like six years later with another book and he talked
Speaker 1: about it again and he added a little bit, but
Speaker 1: still he was very hassi mystic. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: I think it was there. Skeptical is the word you're
Speaker 1: thinking of it. It's like the skeptical is. One of
Speaker 1: the things that he noticed is that everybody talked about
Speaker 1: having a friend of a friend of a cousin who
Speaker 1: had seen one for sure, you know, so everybody believed it,
Speaker 1: but nobody he ever talked to everything firsthand. Nobody And yeah,
Speaker 1: in fact, no, there's nobody out there who's ever seen
Speaker 1: one firsthand that we all know of anyway, I'm getting
Speaker 1: ahead of you. Well, we'll not too far ahead. That's okay,
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna get a little more into here,
Speaker 1: because there's there's been a lot of people who have
Speaker 1: been trying to find the death worm. And those old
Speaker 1: writings that I talked about from the twenties aren't the
Speaker 1: only stuff. Once the Soviet Union started to crumble and
Speaker 1: things started coming out and other writings, that's how we
Speaker 1: heard about it. So a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 1: you find it tends to be repeated. Well, and we
Speaker 1: know enough about the Soviet Union in Russia to know
Speaker 1: that they suppressed things all the time. They know a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff about alien in cryptozo ously. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and you know I talked about the fact that the
Speaker 1: Mongolian language the writings have been translated into Russian. Some
Speaker 1: of that writing had actually been translated by a very
Speaker 1: specific guy by the name of Ivan Mackerel. Mackerel Mackerel,
Speaker 1: I think that's how you say his name, And he's
Speaker 1: a he's a check native. He evidently learned about the
Speaker 1: death worm back in the nineteen eighties. He became enamored
Speaker 1: with the idea, and he decided that he had to
Speaker 1: find this creature, and so he started launching expeditions to
Speaker 1: find it. He made his first trip to the Gobie
Speaker 1: in and it was obviously wasn't just him. He took
Speaker 1: along a bunch of people with him, and then he
Speaker 1: did it again in two and a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff that he wrote was obviously things that he had
Speaker 1: heard from either natives or in writing. But once he
Speaker 1: went looking for it, well that's where the whole thing
Speaker 1: kind of falls apart. Okay, we've we've been talking about
Speaker 1: two very specific movie creatures so far done and Tremors. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Doom came out in four Tremors came out in movies. Movies,
Speaker 1: was right, Yeah, you're right, I'm talking about the movie.
Speaker 1: And this guy did his first trip in nine. He
Speaker 1: and his fellow researchers evidently were enamored with the movie
Speaker 1: and believed that it was the key to finding the
Speaker 1: Mongolian deathworm. Uh huh, Well, in the book and how
Speaker 1: things happened because it was based on like they're talking
Speaker 1: about the secret knowledge. So are these the guys that
Speaker 1: basically created thumpers, Like, yes, that's exactly right. They would
Speaker 1: pound on the ground with their hands and feet they
Speaker 1: had machines. They using small explosives to create the thumping
Speaker 1: to try and call these creatures to the surface. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know we're all staring each other kind of dumbfounded.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just really again, you know, I have
Speaker 1: those moments on this show where like I will stare
Speaker 1: at you and it's like dumbfounded, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: And then remember, oh crap, we're recording something. People can't
Speaker 1: see this face that I'm making. That is the face
Speaker 1: that I'm making, because what Yes, they were trying to
Speaker 1: make their own thumpers because they were convinced that it
Speaker 1: was just like the creature from the books in the movie.
Speaker 1: Do not necessarily a really brilliant assumption to make. No, no,
Speaker 1: not not the best scientific method. And the other thing
Speaker 1: about you know, the sand worms in Dune is that
Speaker 1: whenever they caught the slightest vibration, they came zipping along
Speaker 1: because they wanted to eat you. And then the Mongolian deathworm,
Speaker 1: it seems it's kind of shy. He might hear the
Speaker 1: thought and then go the other direct. Exactly likely. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not going to come and try to charge up
Speaker 1: and eat a human being. Yeah, And and there's there's
Speaker 1: since he's since Ivan's done his I think he did
Speaker 1: two or three that I know of expeditions, there's been
Speaker 1: at least a dozen that I found record of people
Speaker 1: going looking for the Mongolian death worm. The last one
Speaker 1: I think I saw was in two thousand ten or
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve somebody I think was from somebody from
Speaker 1: the forty in Institute forty times, which I know I've
Speaker 1: sent you stuff from both of you, which anybody who
Speaker 1: hasn't ever gone at times. At times it's kind of
Speaker 1: a fun read. They have some funny stuff up there.
Speaker 1: But they funded an episode their expedition for this people
Speaker 1: to go out and people were using ultra lights to
Speaker 1: fly around the area so that they weren't disturbing the
Speaker 1: ground to try to find him, because they were thinking,
Speaker 1: as Joe was saying, maybe they're really shy and they
Speaker 1: can tell when you're coming. And maybe it's just that
Speaker 1: when you're sitting around you catch them unaware in the surface.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's though. About the extent of the
Speaker 1: information that we have about the Goalie and death worm,
Speaker 1: there must be some really great theories about this. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and trust me. I've found a bunch of
Speaker 1: fun ones that I even made one up. You know,
Speaker 1: I actually made one up in the spot too. I
Speaker 1: was going to say, I have to. I mean, I have.
Speaker 1: The one I've already told you is that they're high.
Speaker 1: I think it's there. What is that? Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think it's actually much more sinister than this. I mean,
Speaker 1: people think see the worm and they think, well, we're
Speaker 1: looking at a two to five ft long worm here.
Speaker 1: But what if it's not a worm? What if it's
Speaker 1: just like the tentacle of some gigantic creature under the
Speaker 1: ground exactly Santulu. Yeah, yeah, so that's just that's just
Speaker 1: something I thought it'd so out. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: it's like a leftover from accidental human sacrifices. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just actual bits of intestine journe about that's really really disturbing.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing it. Can we get to the
Speaker 1: actual theories and up that disgusting one that you just
Speaker 1: brought up? Really, I'm thinking I didn't think of intestines
Speaker 1: when I said the large intestine worm, but now I am.
Speaker 1: It is grossing me up. Oh, by the way, I
Speaker 1: think I already said this, but just in case. We
Speaker 1: said there was like a dozen of expeditions, and I
Speaker 1: think I also covered that nobody's actually found this thing
Speaker 1: right now, and not only they're not found one, they
Speaker 1: haven't found a carcass, they haven't found a skeleton anything.
Speaker 1: By the way, Um, this is another fun thing that
Speaker 1: I've I've heard is that the Mongolian deathworm doesn't slither,
Speaker 1: you know how like a snake slithers along. It either
Speaker 1: rolls like a sausage down a hill, or it's like,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen a grub? You dig up a
Speaker 1: grub and they just kind of flail back and forth.
Speaker 1: Does this make sense? You know? They C shape one
Speaker 1: way and then they flail into a C shape the other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how it gets around. Okay, but here, hey, what
Speaker 1: what you know? What do we know? We're not a
Speaker 1: venom spinning electricity producing crazy creature. Absolutely, But hey, well
Speaker 1: that's style doesn't matter at that point. For those of
Speaker 1: you who are out there though, who are thinking about
Speaker 1: going out to the Gobi and looking for these things,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a great clue as to
Speaker 1: how to find evidence that they exist. Okay, I'll wait
Speaker 1: till the end. Oh, come on here, Now how about
Speaker 1: you you create your own evidence. Well, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: do that. Well, here's here's how to get a clue.
Speaker 1: I think the black socks all, which is a small
Speaker 1: treer shrub that lives in the goby. And of course
Speaker 1: there's that little that little thing, the desert thumb that
Speaker 1: likes to hang out with the with the bush and
Speaker 1: Mongolian death worm just loves the hell out of those things.
Speaker 1: So all you gotta do is you go to an
Speaker 1: area where the low and local natives say that you're
Speaker 1: likely to find him on Gooldian deathworm, and you find
Speaker 1: these things and you dig up the sand around the bushes,
Speaker 1: put it in the large containers, take it back to
Speaker 1: the lab. Soaking water, drain the water off, distill the water.
Speaker 1: And the residue left should be an incredible poison, because
Speaker 1: as these things move through the sand, they are going
Speaker 1: to leave some residual some residual chemicals behind on the
Speaker 1: sand because it's on their skin. It's on their skin,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna leave a residue of this deadly poison.
Speaker 1: So all you gotta do is, like I said, soak
Speaker 1: to sand, drain it off, distill the water, do some
Speaker 1: lab and alice on it and see what deadly chemicals.
Speaker 1: The one flaw in that is assuming that the deadly
Speaker 1: poison that's on their skin is always there. In other words,
Speaker 1: they're always damp with it, because if you're a desert creature,
Speaker 1: always having moisture on you as a very inefficient means.
Speaker 1: So it might be that when you touch them, their
Speaker 1: reaction is to spurt it out of their pores, because
Speaker 1: there are critters that when you poke them, they ooze
Speaker 1: stuff out as a reaction, and so it could be
Speaker 1: that it's not until they feel contact that they put
Speaker 1: that out. And maybe it is that when they brush
Speaker 1: against the rock they automatically put out the poison. It
Speaker 1: seems inefficient to have it on them all the time. Well,
Speaker 1: now that we're done with that, let's go into the
Speaker 1: theories that I found. Well, they're they're not real, they're theories.
Speaker 1: But here's the basic first theory. The whole thing is
Speaker 1: a fake. The whole thing doesn't actually I mean this,
Speaker 1: this is this is a viable thing that we have
Speaker 1: to look at. Is that it's not real. It could
Speaker 1: be that it's it's a story that is just a
Speaker 1: tall tale that over the years has just gotten bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger and bigger with each retelling, so that it's
Speaker 1: just it's taken on all these fantastical abilities when it
Speaker 1: never actually existed. I mean, it couldn't. It could have
Speaker 1: been just one of those things that apparent in the desert.
Speaker 1: So you're a nomad with your chill dren in the desert,
Speaker 1: and you say, if we stopped, don't wander away, or
Speaker 1: the death worm will get you. Exactly. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say that it's probably one of those stories that parents
Speaker 1: tell their kids to scare the crap out exactly, primarily traumatized,
Speaker 1: but at least they don't wander off into the desert
Speaker 1: and exactly, so that that could be that could be
Speaker 1: one of them. Yeah, it's pretty valid, okay. And and
Speaker 1: you think about like, you know, other methical creatures like
Speaker 1: the snipe, you know this guy that this guy that
Speaker 1: went off to to Mongolia and the like the president
Speaker 1: of Mongolia Andrews. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he's saying, so
Speaker 1: I would, I would. I would love so very much
Speaker 1: if you could find that with the Mongolian death worm hunt. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: They all have probably had a great laugh about it. Well,
Speaker 1: there's there's some creatures that actually do exist in nature
Speaker 1: that if we look at, could potentially be a relative
Speaker 1: of or a candidate for what the death worm is. Yeah, Sicilians,
Speaker 1: which it's it's not the from the country Sicily. This
Speaker 1: is a breed of creature. There a E C I
Speaker 1: L I not right, but it's pronounced very similar. They're
Speaker 1: amphibians there. They're somewhere between a snake and a worm.
Speaker 1: They they're really small. Normally they're only a couple inches long,
Speaker 1: but there are a couple that can get up to
Speaker 1: I don't know, about four or five ft long. They've
Speaker 1: got no legs, their skin is smooth, and they live underground.
Speaker 1: They don't they have itsy bitsy eyes and occasionally they
Speaker 1: will come up above ground and they've got a but
Speaker 1: they've got a weird pointed head, which according to stories,
Speaker 1: this thing doesn't have a discernible head. So that's a problem. Uh.
Speaker 1: The other problem is that they tend to live in
Speaker 1: moist tropical areas, so you know, they're they're an underground
Speaker 1: they're very damp, you know, the desert dwelling kind of critter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, God knows many many thousands
Speaker 1: and eons ago what the climate and the Gobi desert
Speaker 1: was like that. You know, it could have one time
Speaker 1: been a moist, lush jungle and climate. You're stealing my
Speaker 1: thunder there, Joe, hold off on that because that that's
Speaker 1: going to come up in a little bit. There's another theory.
Speaker 1: I did it to you last week. Um, we've got
Speaker 1: Ampi sibia, which is another kind of burrowing, legless, long
Speaker 1: bodied creature. They're they're actually really similar to the sicilian,
Speaker 1: except that they don't live in the same areas and
Speaker 1: they don't grow nearly as large. But they are another
Speaker 1: kind of weird little worm like long critter. They have
Speaker 1: rings instead of scales, so kind of like the dune worms.
Speaker 1: They've got big rings as they go down their body.
Speaker 1: But again they don't live in the right areas. Uh,
Speaker 1: there are actually and this was this was something I
Speaker 1: found really interesting and I thought kind of could be
Speaker 1: a match. Have you ever heard of legless lizards? So
Speaker 1: legless lizards, they they're not a snake. They look like lizards,
Speaker 1: but they either have small little bits of stumps for legs,
Speaker 1: or there's no leg you know, maybe one set or
Speaker 1: the other is missing, or it's a little flap of
Speaker 1: skin where they've devolved, you know, de evolved the need
Speaker 1: for that leg, and so they're gone, and they've the
Speaker 1: problem with legless lizards is that they've they've got they
Speaker 1: got they got regular scales, but there they do get big.
Speaker 1: So there's one called the glass lizard. It's a legless lizard,
Speaker 1: and it's really really gross looking. I'm looking at a
Speaker 1: picture right now. Yeah, the leg the glass lizard can
Speaker 1: get all five feet or longer, and it's got these
Speaker 1: really weird grooves on both the left and the right
Speaker 1: side of its body that go all the way down
Speaker 1: its length. So the best way to describe it, it's
Speaker 1: got to like look up the glass lizard and you'll
Speaker 1: see ladies and gentlemen and then you'll curse me for
Speaker 1: having had to see this nightmarish creature. But like lizards,
Speaker 1: legless lizards would be a creature because they're a lizard
Speaker 1: that could live in the desert easily. But they've got scales,
Speaker 1: and they've got an obvious head because they're a lizard,
Speaker 1: so they've got a pointy tail, little kind of blunt
Speaker 1: is head lizards dot That doesn't rule them out entirely
Speaker 1: because after all, after all, God knows when the last
Speaker 1: human being actually soldom Mongolian deathworm exactly, and they might
Speaker 1: have been at a distance. So I I consider the
Speaker 1: legless lizard actually one of the top possibilities for what
Speaker 1: this is. The next one is it could just actually
Speaker 1: be a snake. The stories talk about the fact that
Speaker 1: it has it spits a venom, which is very similar
Speaker 1: to cobra's. Cobras are are really accurate with spitting the poison,
Speaker 1: and that poison really does not do good things to people,
Speaker 1: So they could be a snake. One of the other
Speaker 1: descriptions that you see of the Mongolian deathworm is that
Speaker 1: it's not it's got the blunt ends, but it's actually
Speaker 1: got spiky protrusions on both the front and the back
Speaker 1: of it. I'm not saying how long these spikes are,
Speaker 1: so they're not like fantastically big things. They could just
Speaker 1: be a little spiky ridges. But that's a lot like vipers.
Speaker 1: If you think about adders and vipers, they've got a
Speaker 1: lot of ridges on their heads, and that's something that
Speaker 1: they used to detect vibration in the ground and in
Speaker 1: the air. So again, this is very plausible that it
Speaker 1: just could be a really venom is really shy snake,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, So somebody comes along and it startles it,
Speaker 1: and what does it do. It stands up and it
Speaker 1: spits venom atom and then burrows into the ground. And
Speaker 1: then the story just grows from there. So the electricity
Speaker 1: part of it, and maybe it was attacked on later on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: place like they go to the desert, I could totally
Speaker 1: see a place like that having a big, scary, poisonous snakes.
Speaker 1: And I'm not skeptical about that. No, I'm not at
Speaker 1: all snakes. There's a lot of varieties of snakes. Reh.
Speaker 1: This is also stealing your thunder a little bit because
Speaker 1: I know where we're headed in terms of theories. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's such a thing as an electric eel,
Speaker 1: And if the desert was once a huge sea, I
Speaker 1: don't know what everything was once a huge sea, right,
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, I guess in my mind
Speaker 1: it's possible that it evolved into something more snake like.
Speaker 1: But also let's let's go, let's go there. But because
Speaker 1: but as far as you know, electric eel going, you know,
Speaker 1: evolving into the dry land variant that has is the
Speaker 1: ability to store and not electrical energy to drop a
Speaker 1: herd of cattles camels in my mind, not to like
Speaker 1: reveal what I think about this story, but in my mind,
Speaker 1: that's an obvious like that that that bid is is
Speaker 1: that's easy to toss out the window. I understand that. Well,
Speaker 1: and let's let's run down that. We'll just we'll just
Speaker 1: jump ahead to that theory, because this is the theory
Speaker 1: that I came up with on my own. So I
Speaker 1: admit that I'm grasping a strauss and I can't think
Speaker 1: of the phrase when you take loose bits of related
Speaker 1: data and draw conclusion from them. But that's that's what
Speaker 1: I did to to come up with this maybe plause
Speaker 1: possible theory. Yeah, it's called making things up. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: that's what I thought it was. According to legends of
Speaker 1: the region, what is now the Gobi Desert, a hundred
Speaker 1: to two hundred thousand years ago was a giant into
Speaker 1: inland lake, and at some point whatever land mass or
Speaker 1: geologic structure that was holding that lake in place gave
Speaker 1: way and that lake drain, so the whole area no
Speaker 1: longer is full of water. Well, if it's a giant
Speaker 1: inland sea, it's going to have some kind of fish
Speaker 1: in it. So now let's step back to what Devin
Speaker 1: said about the electric eel. The electric eel is one
Speaker 1: of six different species that are on the planet that
Speaker 1: make electricity to shock, stunt kill, prayer or predators. And
Speaker 1: they've all done so independently, and I did some research
Speaker 1: on it's really kind of interesting. They've all used the
Speaker 1: same gene, which is yeah, it's it's very interesting unique,
Speaker 1: and yet they're all very sting rays and all of that.
Speaker 1: That they're electric rays, not sting rays. So you're arguing
Speaker 1: a favorite intelligent designs that what you're saying. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. What I'm saying here is let's just say
Speaker 1: that in that inland, see something like the electric eel,
Speaker 1: which by the way, is not a fish. It's a lungfish.
Speaker 1: It breathes oxygen through its mouth, so electric eels have
Speaker 1: to come up and take the yes exactly. So, if
Speaker 1: there's something like a lungfish that can make electricity in
Speaker 1: this sea, and the sea doesn't just drain in one
Speaker 1: giant torrential outpour, it's slowly drain over over a couple
Speaker 1: of centuries or thousands of years, thousand years, these creatures,
Speaker 1: which already your air breathers, could slowly learn to adapt
Speaker 1: and burrow in the mud, and then when the mud
Speaker 1: went away, they went deeper into damper soil and sand
Speaker 1: down below to stay cool and moist, which would make
Speaker 1: sense when people say the thing only comes up when
Speaker 1: there's a heavy rain, because it's got to come all
Speaker 1: the way to the surface to get air, and it
Speaker 1: would only be when the ground was super wet that
Speaker 1: they would be able to conduct enough electricity to send
Speaker 1: that to somebody who was standing near it. Do you
Speaker 1: see where I'm heading with this? No one totally grasping
Speaker 1: at straws on this one, but it like, okay, well
Speaker 1: I could, I could see, And I guess that the
Speaker 1: other argument would be if it's seen around a tree,
Speaker 1: a tree needs water, right, so there's definitely like deeper wells.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's something about the combination
Speaker 1: of those two that means that there's more moisture or
Speaker 1: whatever to support both of them in the middle of
Speaker 1: this desert, or maybe it just like you know, that
Speaker 1: little parasitic plant a little thumb desert. And I think
Speaker 1: I obviously don't understand how evolution works that well. And
Speaker 1: and again I'm not I'm not going to say that
Speaker 1: I understand evolution clear enough this could happen, but just
Speaker 1: one and two and three I could see now that
Speaker 1: could happen. Yeah, I mean, it's entirely a possibility. It is,
Speaker 1: But you know, I still you'd think that somebody would
Speaker 1: have come across one of these things, unless that they
Speaker 1: always lived that far down in the sand because it's
Speaker 1: nice and cool and damp, and it's only when it's heavy,
Speaker 1: heavy rains that they come out. I mean, I don't know. Again,
Speaker 1: I realized I'm grasping a straws on our final theory.
Speaker 1: It's actually an extinct creature. Okay. People have been living
Speaker 1: in that region for eons, as Joe said, So it
Speaker 1: is quite possible that there was something similar in one
Speaker 1: form or another to the death worm that was in
Speaker 1: the region and it died out either through you know,
Speaker 1: evolution made it run an extinction, or people freaked out
Speaker 1: and they hunted it, or they killed it out of
Speaker 1: fear or what over the case, maybe it may be
Speaker 1: that there was a creature like that at one point
Speaker 1: there and it's no longer there. But the story is
Speaker 1: stuck around. That's that's also entirely possible. Yeah, that's possible.
Speaker 1: Although you know, I would think they would have come
Speaker 1: across a skeleton because there's been a lot of digging
Speaker 1: in the Gobi Desert. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: dinosaurs bones buried in that desert, and there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of expeditions, a lot of a lot of big
Speaker 1: old dinos have been dug up out of the Gobi.
Speaker 1: But if it's a little creature, though, it might have
Speaker 1: really fine bones that just get broke up really easy,
Speaker 1: possibly or no bones, could have no bonestebrates don't have
Speaker 1: there an invertebrate, they have no bones, and if it
Speaker 1: had some kind of um carapace or shell to it,
Speaker 1: that would potentially break down if it was like an
Speaker 1: insect of some kind or even no, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know that a worm would leave a fossil unless
Speaker 1: it was under like a really real the mud or
Speaker 1: something like that that dies in the mud and it
Speaker 1: wants up getting preserved. Yeah, but if it's not in
Speaker 1: the mud, it's you know, there's no bones, it's just
Speaker 1: like basically flash that decays. And and if there's no one,
Speaker 1: if there's not hard enough ground to pack around it
Speaker 1: to leave the impression, then we have no impression of it. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: so it seems possible we just haven't found it. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's I mean, I'm sure, like you know, for
Speaker 1: every living creature on the planet today, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: probably ten or a hundred that have gone extinct, so
Speaker 1: there could have been something like that very simply. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what I mean, what what do you guys? What do
Speaker 1: you guys think? What's your favorite theory? My favorite theory
Speaker 1: is that it's probably just a local legend. Although you know,
Speaker 1: I think that they can they can easily put a
Speaker 1: bunch of just oversized rat traps around some of those
Speaker 1: plants and and nab some of those things. I think
Speaker 1: that that might be called for. That is such an
Speaker 1: effective effective means. I'm sure that will totally work those
Speaker 1: sticky traps. Yeah, yeah, roach motels and I'm talking about
Speaker 1: rat traps to kind of go snap with the cheese
Speaker 1: and everything. And then the best thing about it is
Speaker 1: you you tie wire like a cable to it and
Speaker 1: stick a stick like a steel rod into the ground
Speaker 1: to ground it so you'll totally drained it of a
Speaker 1: selectricity or something that're not a fan of that at all.
Speaker 1: I like your theory, actually, yeah, the like weird slow
Speaker 1: lungfish evolution situation. I think it's I like it. I
Speaker 1: personally like it, though mine is fun. I think it's
Speaker 1: probably just a really shy snake. I really I have
Speaker 1: the feeling that it's a very shy snake. A lot
Speaker 1: of the quote unquote illustrations that you see of it,
Speaker 1: I mean, the people just making up what they want.
Speaker 1: They're things that are reminiscent of dune or tremor worms
Speaker 1: sticking out of the sand. You can't see its bottom
Speaker 1: half because it's sticking out, and I can there are
Speaker 1: snakes that that burrow and then pop their heads out
Speaker 1: and look around. And I could totally see somebody seeing
Speaker 1: that from a distance and it's spitting or freaking out
Speaker 1: and burrowing back in and having no idea and starting
Speaker 1: a story. That's kind of why I think, that's why
Speaker 1: I lean towards a snake. Well, yeah, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: snakes in the Gobi though, And and the thing that
Speaker 1: is is the locals know those snakes and they're probably
Speaker 1: not gonna mistake snakes. There's there's all kinds of you know,
Speaker 1: new things that are found all the time because they
Speaker 1: just stay away from people. They're just so afraid or
Speaker 1: not afraid, but they just instinctually stay away from people.
Speaker 1: And when you're in the desert, you're not walking by yourself,
Speaker 1: you're walking with a bunch of people, critters or machinery.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make a bunch of noise and vibration which
Speaker 1: is assigned to hide. But well, it's true that there
Speaker 1: are there are definitely creatures were still finding new species.
Speaker 1: So it's it's entirely possible that's something like this exists.
Speaker 1: I doubt as quite as fantastical, scary and gross and
Speaker 1: now an enormous and everything like that. But you know,
Speaker 1: I I tend to there could be something the basis
Speaker 1: might be some extremely bent of a snake. You know
Speaker 1: that that might be the where it came from. Well,
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Speaker 1: Mongolian deathworm and you want us to get the story straight,
Speaker 1: you can if you figure out how to type, you
Speaker 1: can send us an email. You know we're gonna get
Speaker 1: emails that are just like and then a follow up
Speaker 1: angry email, why is the keyboard on my computer melted
Speaker 1: after it sent you this? At the bottom underneath Mongolian deathworms,
Speaker 1: says sent from my iPhone. Yeah, I know they're everywhere.
Speaker 1: I can see this happening. You know. I think the
Speaker 1: other thing about the Mongolian death worms, if there are
Speaker 1: any of you out there a lot. What I want
Speaker 1: to know is, if you guys are so incredibly scarily dangerous,
Speaker 1: why don't you all gang up and invade Ulambator. You
Speaker 1: can easily slaughter all the human inhabitants and the whole
Speaker 1: city yourself. I don't even know where that's at. That's Mongolia,
Speaker 1: Capital Mongolia. Okay, I figured it was your Mongolia. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it would be really cool. I think they
Speaker 1: should just team up and invade Russia. I'd be kind
Speaker 1: of cool they could. But anyway, so what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: we're moving We're moving on from that because we have
Speaker 1: a we have a couple of listener emails that that
Speaker 1: we got that we wanted to share. We got a
Speaker 1: couple of good ones share well as as opposed to
Speaker 1: the usual nasty ones. Yeah, exactly, Devin, you want to
Speaker 1: you wanna read the first one? Sure? All right, let's
Speaker 1: hear it's ready. Okay, this one is from Hunter Hey, Hunter,
Speaker 1: was his name hunter? Or is the a hunter? I
Speaker 1: don't know. He might be a hunter, but his name
Speaker 1: is hunter. Okay, he says, Hey, Thinking Sideways Crew. I
Speaker 1: am a butcher by trade and spend lots of times
Speaker 1: working in the cold. The time passes with hours of
Speaker 1: music can podcasts every single work day. By far, the
Speaker 1: most anticipated podcast is indeed the Thinking Sideways podcast. You
Speaker 1: are intelligent and witty and most importantly entertaining. Y'all managed
Speaker 1: to cover theories ranging from the mundane to the supernatural
Speaker 1: without seeming condescending to either side. Having three hosts with
Speaker 1: varying beliefs makes it a bit more interesting as well.
Speaker 1: But I've been listening to the podcast since the biogong
Speaker 1: Pipes and ever since have tore through the backlog all
Speaker 1: the way to the ghost blimp Um? Are there any
Speaker 1: more from before then? If not, y'all really started strong,
Speaker 1: with a higher production value than most starting podcasts. Either way,
Speaker 1: y'all seem to have no intention of letting off the
Speaker 1: throttle yet keep up the good work. Of course, he
Speaker 1: has his list of favorites and his list of suggestions.
Speaker 1: I think he must be from the South somewhere. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess lots of y'alls, and he just says, you know,
Speaker 1: thanks to Bunch for the highly intelligent entertainment, for much
Speaker 1: we appreciate, and we're making your work a little easier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no kidding, and thanks for being a butcher. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to have to cut him up
Speaker 1: for myself. I don't. That's that's not that's a lot
Speaker 1: of work. Yeah, and I did have to let Hunter
Speaker 1: know that unfortunately the Ghost Wlimp is the first episode.
Speaker 1: We don't have any hidden ones that we we we
Speaker 1: tried out in the beginning. Unfortunately, I'm glad that he
Speaker 1: thought that we started out at a pretty high production
Speaker 1: value because I listened to those old ones every once
Speaker 1: in a while and think, wow, that sounds awful. They're
Speaker 1: in black and white with that like really annoying, like
Speaker 1: vital like crackling. Yeah. Yeah, I discovered that it wasn't
Speaker 1: so awesome to put that in after a while. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't put that in. Okay, Well, we've got another
Speaker 1: email that I wanted to read, and this is from Will,
Speaker 1: who actually is here in Portland. Will Will was us
Speaker 1: saying that he had a chance to listen to the
Speaker 1: Jefferson Davis eight episode, and he said he really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: And as Will said here, the interview was solid, the
Speaker 1: subject matter was engaging, and the infographic was incredibly helpful
Speaker 1: trying to follow the spaghetti mess of a case, which
Speaker 1: is really a good description a lot of names in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the podcast itself was really long, but there's nothing you
Speaker 1: can do about that with a bizarre case like this. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think the length is really the limiting factor on
Speaker 1: doing subjects subjects like this regularly. Two hours is a
Speaker 1: lot of time to commit to a podcast, no matter
Speaker 1: what subject is. I agree with that. You know, not
Speaker 1: all of our listeners are gonna want to listen to
Speaker 1: two hours us droning on no And you know, I
Speaker 1: remember we used to get mail pretty frequently that said,
Speaker 1: oh well, you guys should do longer shows. You should
Speaker 1: do shows. And our shows have definitely gotten longer. You know,
Speaker 1: we started out minute shows and now we're you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, when we sit down and we say there's
Speaker 1: going to be a short show and it ends up
Speaker 1: being you know, forty five minutes to an hour, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a good place for us
Speaker 1: to be. I agree, but I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: every once in a while we end up doing this
Speaker 1: two hour long marathon, and it's always the topic. It's
Speaker 1: the topic that drives. It's always just a weird anomaly.
Speaker 1: But but Will goes on here, and he says, uh,
Speaker 1: I do think it's really interesting to investigate stories like
Speaker 1: this unsolved quote unquote multiple murders in the area or
Speaker 1: in the era of c s I contrast sharply with
Speaker 1: the crime solved tidily in an hour on our television sets.
Speaker 1: That's true. I think that. I'm sorry. What he says is,
Speaker 1: I think that what's really makes the Jefferson Davis eight
Speaker 1: compelling is that eight bodies should be enough to solve
Speaker 1: almost any mystery. Well, yeah, that's yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: started agree with that. Then again, if you're look at
Speaker 1: stuff like the Green River killer that was that was
Speaker 1: like what dirty bodies that was over many years. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean no, he I mean, you've both got point.
Speaker 1: There's a lot cside that you know is available today.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't make a good point. Everybody expects, now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do this and the cs I is
Speaker 1: going to solve it in an hour and a half. Well,
Speaker 1: it's that joke, right, is the like zoom and enhanced?
Speaker 1: You know? I love that. Yeah, we can take a
Speaker 1: tack on an image that has like eight pixels in it.
Speaker 1: We can stop how you know, get a beauty, can
Speaker 1: run it out. Yeah, I run an algorithm and everybody
Speaker 1: always image out of that. Everybody always forget the reflection.
Speaker 1: Better check the reflection. Check the reflection there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally works, you know, and we forget about that. I
Speaker 1: always do committing crimes. I'm always not looking for the mirrors,
Speaker 1: and that's why I get Yeah. But anyway, you know
Speaker 1: that with the Jeff Jeff Davis say, I think the
Speaker 1: thing is too is that murder is typically the easiest
Speaker 1: crime to solve because there's usually somebody got a big
Speaker 1: jones for the other, for the murder victim, and so
Speaker 1: it's usually pretty easy to figure that one out. But
Speaker 1: when it's a random thing like a serial killer, for example,
Speaker 1: which this very likely is, then it's not so easy solved,
Speaker 1: unfortunately not or it could be a massive conspiracy of
Speaker 1: criminals and the police too. So maybe they are easy
Speaker 1: just solved, but the police just don't feel like doing it.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't know. Well, regardless
Speaker 1: to Hunter and Will and everybody else, you sent us
Speaker 1: emails in uh this week that we got. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. We do appreciate that suggestions. By the way, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you for filling up our things back longer. Are
Speaker 1: the hoppers? Yeah, I just I just I just put
Speaker 1: a bunch of them in there. That's good. More planets
Speaker 1: all right. Well, in in the spirit of trying to
Speaker 1: keep this under an hour, we're going to go ahead
Speaker 1: and wrap this one up this week. Guys. So I
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed the little death worm. Don't go looking
Speaker 1: for one, and we will talk to you next week.
Speaker 1: If you're in the Gobi Desert and Junior is alive,
Speaker 1: Suddenly a big thunderstorm comes rolling up. Get the hell
Speaker 1: out of dodge, so all I can say so anyway, goodbye.
Speaker 1: We're gonna wiggle on out of here.