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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one forty nine

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Speaker 1: Tannis Show. We're joined by Jessica de Lorenzo and Alex Templeton,

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Speaker 1: and we're exploring the unique experiences, perspectives, and challenges of

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Speaker 1: today's female hunter. Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Sitka Gear and Tannis Show. We're

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Speaker 1: joined by two avid hunters, Jessica de Lorenzo and Alex Templeton.

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Speaker 1: And these are two women who are not just serious hunters,

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Speaker 1: but also terrific ambassadors for the female hunting community in

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Speaker 1: addition to being her core hunters. Jessica is a professional

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Speaker 1: photographer out of Pennsylvania and Alex is a cattle woman

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Speaker 1: out of Missouri. So I wanted to have Jessica and

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Speaker 1: Alex on the show today to talk hunting and deer

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Speaker 1: and photography and gear and stories, but also to talk

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Speaker 1: about their perspective as female hunters. You know, what it's

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Speaker 1: like getting into hunting as a female, what it's like now,

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Speaker 1: how they feel about how female hunters are portrayed and

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Speaker 1: treated today, maybe in public or in the media, and

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more so we're gonna talk about deer

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Speaker 1: and turkeys and antelope and photography and bows and hunting

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Speaker 1: clothing and all sorts of good stuff. But before all that, Dan,

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Speaker 1: what is new in the world of the nine fingered wonder?

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Speaker 1: Still got nine fingers? That's good as as it're growing

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Speaker 1: back yet. So there's that. Well. I worried one of

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Speaker 1: these days you might come out and say, eight, I

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Speaker 1: just never know what you're getting into. Oh, ship, the

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Speaker 1: next time I lose something, it's gonna be like a

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Speaker 1: whole hand or arm knock on wood right here. So

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Speaker 1: what were you gonna say? I don't know what What

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Speaker 1: was the question? Let's just asking what's new with you? Man? Oh?

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Speaker 1: It's it's good, you know, same old stuff. I'm in

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Speaker 1: a in a routine. I I, like I told you

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Speaker 1: before we started recording. I have my office moved from

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Speaker 1: out in this industrial park to downtown uh like downtown

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Speaker 1: Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and I have to park in a

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Speaker 1: you know, take the skywalk back to you know, a

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Speaker 1: building that is probably built out of cubicle parts. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It just sucks and yeah, well part of it, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess. So what about this weekend? You did a

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Speaker 1: good weekend, right, Yeah, a three day weekend, man, I

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Speaker 1: tell you what. I had absolutely so much fun hanging

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Speaker 1: with my family. Um, we didn't kill any turkeys. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they were hend up pretty bad, but me and the

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Speaker 1: wife found mushrooms and my stepbrother found mushrooms. We caught fish,

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Speaker 1: and then my stepdad he killed thirty one pound tom

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Speaker 1: with almost two inch spurs and like eleven and three

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Speaker 1: quarters inch beard. Jeez, that's crazy, a huge, huge tom.

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Speaker 1: And we had a meal on Friday night that was

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Speaker 1: was it Friday night or Saturday night? Anyway? It was

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Speaker 1: fish that we caught, turkey that we killed, and mushrooms

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Speaker 1: that we found. All and everything that we ate for

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Speaker 1: that meal was from the field to the table in

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Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours. That is so cool. That

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Speaker 1: is that is that is awesome? Yeah, that's just the

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Speaker 1: ultimate sense of satisfaction eating meal like that. It's that

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Speaker 1: there was better than eating my dear with you know,

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Speaker 1: store bought side dishes, right, everything that we ate was

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Speaker 1: completely organic, completely wild, and I don't know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you said, sat complete satisfaction. And my daughter caught

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Speaker 1: the fish that we ate, so that right there made

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Speaker 1: it even better. Um, you know, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it is. But as I get older,

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Speaker 1: you know, just like spending time with a family and

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Speaker 1: focusing less on myself as of right now, like turkey hunting,

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Speaker 1: I don't even care. This weekend was so much fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: little higher on the priority chart than turkey are. Yeah. Now,

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Speaker 1: how much time is left in the season. Are you

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Speaker 1: going to get to go up hunt yourself? Uh? Well,

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Speaker 1: So uh uh, if I get a chance to go

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Speaker 1: Did uh? Did your wife still a good time even

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Speaker 1: though the birds weren't cooperating. She absolutely loves Okay, she

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Speaker 1: So we found a lot of mushrooms. Um there. The

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Speaker 1: weather has been warm, so it usually mushrooms just pop, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they do, they have them out there, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna think this is crazy, right, So my grandpa

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Speaker 1: that's how he fumigated the It would flood the inside

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Speaker 1: Well it's something to consider. Who knows if if this

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Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that they have not nested and hopefully

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Speaker 1: we might need to take extreme measures. And I'll run

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Speaker 1: the fumigation technique past my wife, see what she thinks. Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's worth a try, man, anything anything at this point,

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Speaker 1: I need a good sleep. I can't. Man, I wake

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Speaker 1: just I'll tell you right now, my wife would not

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Speaker 1: front legs because where he gets the nicknamed big Nasty

427
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: because it's nasty. So I was like, I really want

428
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: to kill the period because he's you know, solid rat too.

429
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: But just the fact that I feel like he should

430
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: be in pain and be miserable. I don't know, but

431
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: apparently this deer is just all over the place, and

432
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: so I parted him all last year. I actually had

433
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: a couple of encounters with him. I was hunting over

434
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: a decoy end of October, right after Jess and I

435
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: got home from Illinois, and he came in and he

436
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: was like, I think forty yard broadside, which you know,

437
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: it's a shot that I am comfortable with. But I thought, Okay,

438
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna posture up to my decoy and I'm gonna

439
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: get a twenty yard broadside shot. So I waited, so

440
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: there was absolutely no posturing up to the decoy. He

441
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: went zero to sixty and attacks the thing and ran away. Yeah,

442
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, I now it was I should

443
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: I could have would a thing. I think maybe I

444
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: should have tried him, but you know, he could have

445
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: just as easily postured up to it in front of it,

446
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: and I could have smoked him, hopefully, But that didn't happen.

447
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: And I had a couple other encounters with him where

448
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: he just never came close enough. So I looked for

449
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: his sheds all spring. I hadn't gotten really any trail

450
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: camera pictures of him or anything since he dropped his horns,

451
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: but I you know, I was looking for him I

452
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: wanted to find his match set. So then lo and behold,

453
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in my turkey blind and I see a

454
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: deer and I'm like, oh, oh my gosh, that's big

455
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: nasty there is. And he walk ended up coming up

456
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: like twenty yards away and like stomped at the decoys,

457
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: and I feel like he knew that I was in there,

458
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: and he knew exactly what he was doing, you know,

459
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: And he had little nubs on his head. So I

460
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: don't know what his racks gonna do this year with

461
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: that messed up leg, but I'm excited to see. Yeah,

462
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: that's awesome to know that he at least made it

463
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: this far, um, I know. And it's actually on the

464
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: side of the farm where I you know, I run

465
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: cameras kind of all over this particular farm, and I

466
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: had never seen him over there, so like I, I

467
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: didn't really expect to be seeing him around there, you know,

468
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting to see him at all. So it's

469
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of meat. So it makes me

470
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: makes me pumped up and ready to get out there

471
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: and playing some food pots and get rolling for next fall. Heck. Yeah,

472
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: so so I've got a buck that I've been hunting

473
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: the past few years that kept me awake all night

474
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: a lot. And you know, coming into this year, there's

475
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: all sorts of things that I learned last season in

476
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: the year before that I'm trying to analyze now and

477
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: now trying to have some changes to my strategy for

478
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. Is there anything that you learned from

479
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: hunting Big Nasty last year, Elex, that's gonna you know

480
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: that you're gonna change or week for this coming season

481
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: when you chase him. Yeah, a few things were like

482
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: I I started to realize that he was entering and

483
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: exiting one of my food plots from a completely different

484
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: location than what I was expecting. So I know, I'm

485
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: going to switch up some stand locations, which it could be,

486
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, completely different this year. But I plan on

487
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: trying to do some scouting and run a lot of

488
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: cameras and really trying to figure out exactly where he's at,

489
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to figure out exactly how I

490
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: can pinpoint where he's at and where he's going to

491
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: be coming in and try to get on him early

492
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: is my plan. So but at these year said's been done,

493
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, and then of course we're in the rat Champs.

494
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: That's going to be every man for himself out there.

495
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll just be in the right place at the

496
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: right time, is what I'm hoping. Yeah, last year, was

497
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: he just a rut buck, Like did you see him

498
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: in the early season or was he the whole fall

499
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: or what? I had pictures of him last summer when

500
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: he started coming into one of my cameras and uh

501
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: I saw that, you know, he had the broken leg

502
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: then and I'm not even sure if it's actually broken,

503
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: it's just swollen and disgusting. So, uh, yeah, he started

504
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: coming into one of my cameras and then I never

505
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: saw it in person until the end of October, So

506
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: right about when the pre ruts starting to come in,

507
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, end of October, beginning of November is when

508
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: I started seeing him in person, when he started showing

509
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: himself during daylight hours. So I'll definitely be keeping that

510
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: in money and you know, trying to hunt him smart

511
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: and trying to outsmart him. But if he's so far,

512
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: he's winning. Yeah, they tend to do so more often

513
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, it makes it fun though, I've I've

514
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I was really hoping I was going to

515
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: match up this shed this year. I'm a terrible shed hunter,

516
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: so that's not too surprising that I didn't find him.

517
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you. So what about you, Jess?

518
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: How'd your how'd your white till year go? Last year

519
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: was a lot of the themes Alexa. The weather was

520
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: so warm, and we had scheduled some hunts, like for

521
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: the peak rut dates that we all anticipated, and then

522
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: it was like summer until December, so slow on the movement.

523
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: And the most exciting moment I think white tail owning

524
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: last year was actually the same hunt with Alex and

525
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: I was sitting one night in a totally separate location

526
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: and like this we had. We were watching, um, a

527
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: pretty nice like one thirty one eight point bedded down

528
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: on a bank of like a stream, and um, this

529
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: was a little bit later in the hunt, so I

530
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: pretty much anticipated on trying to shoot that book if

531
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: he graced me with his presence. But he didn't lay

532
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: there the whole time and didn't really respond to any

533
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: kind of calls or anything. Um, and then it's getting

534
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: late in the evening and now at the corner of

535
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: my eye, I just see this black, massive blobs start

536
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: coming out of of of a stone row, and I

537
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: look up and I look at the my caravan and

538
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: we both just our mouths dropped. It was like a

539
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: one sixty one seventy year and he's just like thumping

540
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: across the field and he's heading straight for a reb line,

541
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: and we put out a grunt and he turned his

542
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: head and it was just like that feeling where the

543
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: like that broadside rat comes front side, like like my

544
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: heart sank. I was like, holy crap. So he started

545
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: coming towards me after that grunt, and at that point

546
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap. If he crosses this little ditch,

547
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: it's on. And my stand was placed like right in

548
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 1: an opening between two fields, so I was anticipating him

549
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: walking right through there to look for that that buck

550
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: that was grunting, and he kind of made a few

551
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: more looks, his tails flicking, and he didn't see anything.

552
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: Had I had a decoy there, I think it might

553
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: have ended differently, but he looked a little longer and

554
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: then he just high tailed it right back for his

555
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: reb line and we didn't see him again. But that

556
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: was like the most heart stopping moment of my whole season. Um,

557
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: I had a couple more encounters with some smaller bucks

558
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: at home, but no shots, and I wasn't following any

559
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: particular deer last year at home. It's just like, nothing

560
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: spectacular happening. It's a dry spell last year or two.

561
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: As far as the box. It's been successful with getting

562
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: does and things, but there's been no trophy whitetail hunting

563
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania on any of my properties anytime in the

564
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: in the recent future. Yeah. Yeah, It's funny. Every week

565
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: I spend most of every day either like writing about

566
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: white tails or talking about them on the podcast or

567
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: doing something related to them. And still I don't know

568
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: about you, Dan, but like just hearing Alex and Jessica

569
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: tell these stories like it even got me like fired

570
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: up even more, like I'm all right, I'm ready to

571
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: get back out there, sit over the decoy like I'm

572
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: pumped right when Alex starts talking about oh, I gotta

573
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: make sure I switched to stay in location on this

574
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: uh this year, because the wind's gonna change, you know.

575
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: I get to thinking and stop paying attention to you guys,

576
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: which is bad, and I'm thinking in my head, okay,

577
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: if the wins out of here I need I might

578
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: need to move my stand as well, so you know,

579
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: it's always calculating that next move. Yeah, always something like

580
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: there's always something else that you're thinking about, wanting to

581
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: do different or wanting to try. Like it never ends. Yeah, never,

582
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: And I guess that's why we love it so much.

583
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: So so that's awesome and I'm I'm already stoked, like

584
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: we just said, but I want to talk about another

585
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: element of of kind of your guys experience is not

586
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: just actually out there chasing animals. But one of the

587
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: things I want to discuss with you was your unique

588
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: perspective as female hunters. Um. So, I guess I'm kind

589
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: of curious to first kind of hear about how you

590
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: both got into hunting, and you know, was there any unique,

591
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: any unique elements to that being a female, or any

592
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: challenges or anything that we're notable Um, Jessica, I don't

593
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 1: know if you want to kick that off. Sure, Um

594
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: I got I hunted a little bit with my dad

595
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: when I was younger, but it wasn't something that was

596
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: like seriously passionate about. Um. I was involved with other

597
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: things as like a teenager that kept me busy. And

598
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: then once I like as an adult graduate early to

599
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: college and moved I'll have a pretty decent sized piece

600
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: of property and just started getting more into the outdoors

601
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: and they just sort of evolved from there. And then

602
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: the last few years it's just been like crazy overload

603
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: hunting every single day, whether I'm actually hunting or planning

604
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: for hunting, preparing for hunting. So it just was like

605
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: a natural progression for me once I was a little

606
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: bit older. Um. And so since I got into the hunting,

607
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: the archery kind of evolved from there too. Um. I've

608
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: basically I basically only archery hunt now. I hardly ever

609
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: take out a gun unless it's for turkey once in

610
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: a while. UM. So that is like my background hunting.

611
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: It's not like a very like I grew up hunting

612
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: every single day. Story, I kind of taught myself. I

613
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: had a mentor um as well who really helped me

614
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: out as far as the white tail hunting. And then

615
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: my buddy that I grew up with high school, he

616
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: got me my first turkey, so we've we hunt together

617
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: all the time and I learned a lot from him

618
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: as well. And then just a lot of people that

619
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: I've met through UM, social networking and things like that.

620
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: Like I've learned a lot from the girls I hunt

621
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: with and through people that I've met working with Sickle

622
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: and some projects. So it's like everybody that me I

623
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of take something from and I feel like it

624
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: really enriches, like my knowledge based for hunting. So it's like,

625
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm still in my mind, I'm still a beginner hunter.

626
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm constantly learning, and I feel like I'm not past

627
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: that newbie stage yet. Just everything is so exciting and

628
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: so new all the time. Yeah, that's a fun place

629
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: to be. It's Uh, I think that constant desire to

630
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: learn though that never goes away. UM. I certainly still

631
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: feel the same way myself. What about you else? You

632
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: mentioned that think you said that you've been hunting your

633
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: whole life, But what was that kind of like, Um

634
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: for you? Yeah, I've been hunting for as long as

635
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: I can remember. It's been a huge part of my

636
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: life since I was a little girl. My dad and

637
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: on my mom and my dad's side of the family,

638
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: everybody hunts, all the guys do anyway, And um, I

639
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: was pretty much raised as the son my dad never had. Uh.

640
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: Grew up with three other sisters, and I was like

641
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: the definition of a tomboy. So you know my end,

642
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: I didn't really start getting a little bit girlier till

643
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: I was about thirteen or fourteen, So I mean I

644
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: was all about everything to do with outdoors and getting

645
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: dirty and muddy and when my whole childhood, and you know,

646
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: those are some of my favorite memories are hunting with

647
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: my dad, and you know, he was his attitude about

648
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: it was great. He there was never any laps in, oh,

649
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: well this is a guy's trip. Well this is the

650
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: guys hanging out. You know, you can't there was never

651
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: any of that. And I was always right there in

652
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: the action, watching him skin deer, watching them talk about hunting,

653
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: and listening to the stories from my grandpa and you know,

654
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: my uncle's and it's just been a huge part of

655
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: my life for as long as I can remember, and

656
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: now it's virtually what my life revolves around. And my

657
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: dad and I still like to hunt a lot together,

658
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: you know, and he's were really really close. That's who

659
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: I work with every day, and I'd say he's probably

660
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: my best friend and we we have a great time together.

661
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: And you know, he was he was great getting me

662
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: into it and teaching me everything I know, and now

663
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: I teach him things and it's it's great, that's very cool.

664
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: I got a real quick question, you know, you for

665
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: for Jessica. I have a daughter of my own, and

666
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: for some reason, subconsciously, I find myself, you know, if

667
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: my sun falls down and scrapes his knee, it's hey,

668
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: get up, you know. And then if my daughter falls

669
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: down and scrapes her knee, I'm like, oh, baby, are

670
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: you okay? You know a little bit of a of

671
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: a software. And I do that subconsciously. I don't. I

672
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: don't know why. But did your dad ever, you know,

673
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: while you were growing up, was your dad ever the

674
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: hey get you know, deal with it, be tough, let's go.

675
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: Or was was there a little softer side, um you know,

676
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: like when you started gutting the deer, or or was

677
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: it level ground the entire time? Or whoever, whoever has

678
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: been hunting their entire life, Alex just Alexy my bad.

679
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: Um No, that's a good question though, and I think

680
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: there was a healthy balance of both. I think. Um.

681
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: I'll be the first to admit I am not tough

682
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: at all, Like I have no tolerance for pain. I'm

683
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: like a huge whim, you know. So I think there

684
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: was a healthy balance of you know, my dad didn't

685
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: necessarily cut me any break because I was a girl.

686
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: And it's still like that today. You know, I have

687
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: a a pretty physically demanding job and a pretty you

688
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: know job where I I don't really know how to

689
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: say it, but you know, you can get hurt kind

690
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: of doing what I do, working with livestock, you know,

691
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: with cows and you know, bulls and things like that,

692
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: you can you can get hurt. And there's never really

693
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: been any time or my dad's been like, let me

694
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: do that because you're a girl, if that makes sense.

695
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's always been he looks at I'm his equal,

696
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: I guess, and uh, you know, don't get me wrong,

697
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: there's been times where I've been hurt pretty bad and

698
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: he's babied me a little bit, you know, but he's

699
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: he's pretty good about, you know, telling me when I

700
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: need the cowboy up and telling me no, it's okay

701
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: to be upset. And you know, I've kind of think

702
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: there's a fine line to ride because you know, if

703
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: you're too harsh, my feelings get hurt, you know, and

704
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: but if you're too soft, you know then I probably

705
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the person I am today. So I think

706
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: there's a there's a healthy balance, and you kind of

707
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: just have to find the right line to stay on.

708
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: And you know, it's he looks at me as his equal,

709
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: though you know it's I'm not as strong as him

710
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: and I'm not as tough as him, but you know,

711
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: I still work. I still work hard for him. And

712
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's a saying that we say when we're

713
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: working together that don't take anything personal that we say

714
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: to each other when we're working cows, because some pretty

715
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: some pretty rude comments kind of out of each other's

716
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: now working cow. So it's like anything you say when

717
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: you're working cows doesn't count. You can't bring it up later.

718
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, that's yeah, So that's that. We're talking

719
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: to your daughter though, you know, I think if it's

720
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: a healthy line of you know, when she's needs to

721
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: suck it up, tell her to suck it up when

722
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: she needs to, you need to hold her and love her,

723
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: hold her and love her. You know she needs that too,

724
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: or just as much as the other. I agree. I mean, Dan,

725
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: I have a daughter too. She just turned six, and

726
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: I am in the same predicament even as a mother.

727
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: She falls down sometimes and it's like it takes my

728
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: breath away and I run over and I freak out

729
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: in a panic. And other times she's like she's crying

730
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, come on, suck it up, tough up.

731
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: We were out fishing the other day and she scraped

732
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: her hand and I told her to blow her snot

733
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: on the ground and get moved in and looked to

734
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: me like what I was like, Yeah, that's right, we're

735
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: outside up. And so the same thing to Alex said,

736
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: I think it's just a healthy mix of of both attitudes.

737
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: Is a a good combination to raise them with. Yeah,

738
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. And I feel like

739
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: today more than maybe in the past. And maybe it's

740
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: just because you know, I'm paying we're paying attention to

741
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: it now, but I feel there's a lot of kind

742
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: of buzz about it. More and more females seem to

743
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: be becoming interested in getting into hunting, and both me

744
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: and Daniel Dan with his wife, myself and my wife

745
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: Dan with his daughter. Um. You know, I think we're

746
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: all interested in how to introduce um our significant others

747
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: or or whoever it might be in our lives to

748
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: the hunting world and getting into this kind of stuff.

749
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: And you both have kind of different stories of how

750
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: you got into hunting, UM, but with the common piece

751
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: being you were both females. I'm curious to hear. Is

752
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: there anything that you've learned, UM from your experience getting

753
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: to hunting and with those mentors, whether your dad or

754
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: your friend that taught you or got you into it. Maybe, Jessica,

755
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: if you want to take this first, given the fact

756
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: that you were a little more of of a late

757
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: onset hunter. UM, is there anything that you've learned that

758
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: you could suggest to us and to others out there

759
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: who want to introduce females to hunting UM, as far

760
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: as how to do that, UM or anything there? Sure, UM,

761
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: I would say, just to be really encouraging, be excited

762
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: about it for them. Don't make them feel intimidated by

763
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: any means. Uh, don't make it. Don't make the women

764
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: or the girls feel like because they haven't experienced that

765
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: they're not going to understand it. UM. There has been

766
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: a couple of times or conversations that I've had with

767
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: people even now where if I'm talking about my hunting experiences, UH,

768
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: they kind of like, well, that's you. You haven't had

769
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: enough experience, or you don't understand or or you can't

770
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: possibly be any good at hunting because you don't have

771
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years under your belt of hunting. UM. And

772
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: I think that that's the wrong attitude to take. UM,

773
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: especially for people who are women, you're just getting into it.

774
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: They need to feel welcomed. They need to feel like

775
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: you're willing to share with them your knowledge or tips. Um.

776
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: I just to be encouraging, and I think is the

777
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: best the best attitude to take with it. Yeah, what

778
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: do you think els from the perspective of you being

779
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: a you know, starting this process at a younger age.

780
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: Anything you would you suggest? Yeah, outll. I mean I

781
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: can completely agree with everything just said. You know, I

782
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: think I think it's important to create a welcoming environment,

783
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: UM for someone who's just getting into hunting, whether that

784
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the not making them feel stupid

785
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: for asking questions. I know it is a big thing

786
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: because kind of, like Jeff said, I still consider myself

787
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: to be a beginning hunter, always wanting to grow and learn,

788
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: and you know, asking questions is good and it can

789
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: be frustrating I know, hunting with someone who's never done

790
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: it or never you know, tried it. I know that

791
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: it can be you know, when you're wanting to get

792
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: in there and get going, it can be kind of

793
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: take you back a little bit. But you know, creating

794
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: an environment where it's okay to ask questions and you know,

795
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: I think starting out the right way. Uh. You know.

796
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: For example, I wanted to take my niece turkey hunting

797
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: last spring, and um, something like it was gonna be

798
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: super cold, opening more in of youth season, and she

799
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: we went and she froze and she was miserable. And

800
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: she was six at the time, and she was worried

801
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: about going this year because she was scared of being

802
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: too cold, Which that's a little you know, it's different

803
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: taking an adult as compared to taking a child. But

804
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the first few times you go, maybe

805
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: not take them in the most extreme conditions possible, you know,

806
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: because that can kind of hinder maybe someone wanting to

807
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: go again. I know it wouldn't mean too because like

808
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not I'm a whim So if I

809
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: had never done something like that and went out on

810
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: a miserable day, I probably wouldn't like it as much

811
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: as I do now because it's you know, it's hard.

812
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: It could be hard to see the bigger picture, you know.

813
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: But like just like just said, you know, just because

814
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: someone is just getting into it doesn't mean that they

815
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: can't love it just as much as you. You know,

816
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: So if you make it just a fun experience as

817
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: much as you can, then you know, the more people

818
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: that you can get into love hunting better. So I

819
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: think it's it's great looking to take your wife or

820
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: your girlfriend or your kids. You know that. It's amazing

821
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: how many people, how many women that I talked to

822
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: you that say, oh, yeah, I wanted to spend time

823
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: with my boyfriend, so I started going, and now I'm

824
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: going on my own, you know. Now you know, I'm

825
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: teaching myself things and I'm teaching him things that I

826
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: think that's great, you know, because I think women naturally

827
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: make great hunters and great you know, just because our

828
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: attendant willingness to learn and tendency to be more patient,

829
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, with things. So I think I think that's great.

830
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: That's my favorite when wives tell me that they started

831
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: going with their husbands and now they leave him at

832
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: home and go on their own that's just the coolest things. Alright,

833
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: real quick, before moving on, we're gonna pause briefly for

834
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: word from partners at white Tail Properties. Here's our producer,

835
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: Spencer Newharth. This week with white Tail Properties. We are

836
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: joined by Dave Skinner, a land specialist out of southern Kentucky,

837
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: and Dave is going to be telling us about what

838
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: to look for when trying to make a property more affordable.

839
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: There are several things, um, you know, one of the

840
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: big ones, I'm going to look for something that uh,

841
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: that's not producing income. If I'm looking to get the

842
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: per acre price down. Um, you know, I'm gonna avoid

843
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: things like tillable uh, tillable ground because that drives a

844
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: price up. Anytime something produces an income is gonna drive

845
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: the price up. Also, marketable timber, you've got to pay

846
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: for that, you know. At the gone or the days

847
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: that you can buy a piece of property to cut

848
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: the timber off of and walk away with the land

849
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: and some cash, it just doesn't happen anymore. Um. And

850
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: you know in Kentucky, uh, we've got um areas that

851
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: have been strip mined for coal, so that reclaimed cold

852
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: ground frequently can sell you know, literally half of what

853
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: similar acreage would sell for in the area. So reclaimed

854
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: ground is is a great way to get drowned down

855
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: around a thousand dollars and acre um. You know in

856
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: the habitat on that stuff is phenomenal um. And like

857
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: I said, it's quite quite a bit cheaper than other

858
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: stuff in the area. Also, you know, maybe someone has

859
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: severed the mental rights in the past. Um. Sometimes that

860
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: can get the price per acre down. UM. You know,

861
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: conservation these months, lack of road frontage, all those things

862
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: will drive the process of acreage down. So you know

863
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: that's you know, to save on the front end. That's

864
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: the way you do it. If you'd like to learn

865
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: more and to see the properties that Dave currently has

866
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com backslash

867
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: skinner that's s k I N N E R. So

868
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about this trend? Um? Some

869
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: surveys have shown that over the last five years or whatever,

870
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: one of the largest groups of new hunters is women. UM.

871
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about this horizon female participation?

872
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: Why do you think it's happening? Um? I guess Alex,

873
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: if you want to start, UM, you know, I think

874
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: it's great that more women, like I said, are wanting

875
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: to get into it, getting the edge and understanding what

876
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: it's about. I know there's been a big movement for

877
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: more women wanting to hunt their own food, you know,

878
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: which is which I think is cool. I don't per

879
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: really only eat wild game meat. You know, I raised

880
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: beef for a living, so I'm a big supporter of

881
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: the beef industry. But you know, I think that's a

882
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: great movement that people are getting into and wanting to

883
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: hunt their own food. I know, it's it's an incredible

884
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: feeling to hunt something clean it, got it right there,

885
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: and eat it that night. It's a it's an amazing feeling.

886
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: And I know women like that. It's kind of a

887
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: in my opinion, kind of like a mothering, nurturing instinct

888
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: to provide for your family that was kind of unheard

889
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: of until now. You know, being able to put that

890
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: food on your table yourself is kind of an incredible thing.

891
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that because of social media

892
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: and social networking, that other women are seeing other women

893
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: doing it and are seeing, oh, well, if Jess can

894
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: go out there and hunt, I can do it. You know,

895
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: if Alex can go out there and hunt. I can

896
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: do it. And you know, not only Jess and I,

897
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: but anybody. You know, if you see anybody on social media,

898
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of incredible women to look up to

899
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: out there. And I think that other women are seeing

900
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: that it's okay for me to go out there. You know,

901
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: it's becoming more socially acceptable. And you know, if you

902
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: can't find someone to go with you, you know, you

903
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: can make connections through Instagram or through Facebook and meet

904
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: people and find people to hunt with and share information with.

905
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: And I think that's been a huge part of it. Yeah,

906
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: that's a great point, that that's a It seems that

907
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: they'd be a huge tool. Um. Would you add anything, Jessica, Um,

908
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: I would definitely agree with everything that Alex said as

909
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: far as um social media being a huge, UM catalyst

910
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: for for the the rise in women in the outdoors,

911
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean and across the board is be not even hunting, um,

912
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: I've seen it in fishing, hiking, and climbing, all sorts

913
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: of I mean, just about anything. It's on social media now,

914
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: so more people have more eyes on things. UM. It

915
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: sparks interests all the time. UM. I think that for

916
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: me at least, I connect with a lot of women

917
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: who are just looking to challenge themselves. I feel that, um,

918
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: the idea of learning ton and and harvesting your own

919
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: food and the entire like the gamut of hunting, the

920
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: whole idea, it's a it's a challenge, and that's one

921
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: of the most exciting things to me to to learn

922
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: how to use my bow properly, to learn how to

923
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: use the tools properly, and when you finally have those

924
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: moments that are successful, the whole thing comes full circle.

925
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: And I think once women, um, when they see it

926
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: online or they hear stories of other women doing it,

927
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: or they even get a little taste of it, it

928
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: just pulls them in. And I mean, let's face it,

929
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: women just talk constantly to their friends. So I mean

930
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: as soon as I started loving it, I reached out

931
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: to find other women or talk to other women into

932
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: doing it with me. So it's just like a trickle

933
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: down effect. And I think it's just exploding right now,

934
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: and I think it's a great thing for the outdoors,

935
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: and I see the mentality changing a lot um. Where

936
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: Like when I first started hunting, if I would ask

937
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: questions of people it was kind of like a secret society.

938
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to share any tips or information. Is very

939
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: closed doors, like you don't share your hunting information, which

940
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: obviously we still keep a lot of our game plans

941
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: to ourselves. But there's been more acceptance to sharing stories

942
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: and experiences, whether it be on social media or just

943
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: in conversation in general. Like, I think more people are

944
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: just open talking about it. It's a little bit more mainstream.

945
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: People aren't so much afraid of judgment, and I think

946
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: that that plays with the women as well. It's not

947
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: as um, what's the word I'm trying to it's not

948
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: as much of like controversy now for a woman to

949
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: be a hunter, whereas maybe a several years ago they

950
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: might have been looked upon as kind of like aggressive

951
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: predator of some sorts. I think the mentality has changed

952
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: a lot, and I think that it's good for for

953
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: women and the outdoors. And I mean, I'm excited for

954
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: my daughter. She's she's interested in it, and I can

955
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: just see her developing her passion for do any things

956
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: as far as hunting and fishing. So yeah, I mean,

957
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic. Jump in right there, real quick,

958
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: like just really quick. Like, I think that just your

959
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: daughter is going to have like a really unique experience

960
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: like growing up in the outdoors, having like her mother

961
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: being so involved in it. Like, I think that's going

962
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: to be really neat for her looking back once she's

963
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: an adult, you know, looking back at she's having these

964
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: experiences with her mom and other you know, a strong

965
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: woman and you know, someone to look up to. So

966
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's great, and I think that's

967
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: going to be something really special for her. I hope

968
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: it goes that way. It's either going to go that

969
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: way or it's going to go to complete opposite and

970
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: she might either way. Dan, what does all this stuff

971
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: make you think with your daughter um in in in

972
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: your process as you're going to be bringing her into

973
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: the hunting world possibly, I mean, where where's your head

974
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: out with all this? So for me right this, they

975
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: throw this term huntress around right which I'm not gonna

976
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: label you you guys as huntresses because just flipping through

977
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: your Instagram pages, you guys don't meet that criteria. But

978
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: social media, we we know, kind of has positives and negatives,

979
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, for everything, and this just isn't with women.

980
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: This is for men too, where you have these group

981
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: of people who are doing it for potentially different reasons. Right,

982
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I didn't see you guys, you know, taking selfies in

983
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: a mirror with you know, with mountain k oops and

984
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: and you know doing all this you know, selfies and

985
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that, which when I see it, kind of

986
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: dilutes what you guys are trying to do. So how

987
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: frustrating is it for you guys to I guess spread

988
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: a positive message and at the same time it's not

989
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: necessarily competing, but weed yourself out from what is already

990
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: out there that is probably doly. Like if I was

991
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: to talk to my daughter about this today, I would say,

992
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: you don't want to be like that group of people. Um, yeah,

993
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Yeah, go ahead. That was a long question.

994
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: I apologize. No, it's fine. Uh. I mean, I know

995
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: Alex and I have had this conversation between ourselves and

996
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: there is definitely a persona of that Alex and I

997
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: do not wish to have. And well, I mean, well,

998
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: everybody can enjoy the outdoors and use their social media

999
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: channels too whatever purpose they want. I mean, I guess

1000
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: that's all fine. Um, it does make like what you said,

1001
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: it does kind of water down the like the honest

1002
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: part of what we're trying to do. I mean, I'm

1003
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: not trying to get every product under the Sun's sponsors

1004
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: sponsor me and YadA YadA, YadA, like I am truly

1005
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: loving the outdoors. I do run a photography business, so

1006
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean I do try to promote myself as a

1007
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: qualified photographer. Um, but I do try to take a

1008
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: step back from all that stuff, like I don't need

1009
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: to be shooting my bow in the tiniest shirt that

1010
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: I own in the most um in the in the

1011
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: best pose possible. We'll just say it like that, use

1012
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: your words wisely. Yeah. I'm also trying not to get

1013
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: some backlash of of a particular group of people as well.

1014
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: I mean that everyone's welcome to do whatever they want,

1015
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: and if if that's how they hunt, great, That's not

1016
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: how I hunt. Um. So I mean, I don't know.

1017
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: I know Alex when I feel the same, But I

1018
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: also don't want to stir the pot in any way.

1019
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: What would you say? Um? Okay, So I just have

1020
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: to say it. I hate the term countress like it

1021
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

1022
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: I just I like the way it sounds when it

1023
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: comes out of your mouth, it's just like I hate it.

1024
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: And UM, quick story just about that. UM. I was

1025
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: working one of the sit to boots at some show recently,

1026
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: I don't even remember which one it was, and a

1027
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: man came in the booth and asked me if I

1028
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: was a hunt dress and I said, no, I'm just

1029
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: a hunter, just the bow hunter, just like you. And

1030
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: he said, well, you look like a hunt dress me

1031
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: with your long blonde hair and pink fingernails. And I

1032
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: was like, well, okay, but you know, I'm just just

1033
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: a hunter, just like anybody else. And he refused to

1034
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: accept that, I guess, And it was really kind of

1035
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: like the first time that I was just like, you know,

1036
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: why don't you just keep walking away because I'm gonna

1037
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: say something really rude. And it was just like I said,

1038
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: I grew up where all the guys that I was

1039
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: hunting with my dad and everything I was there equal.

1040
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, it wasn't that I was just

1041
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: a girl. They had to take hunting, you know, and

1042
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: I was hunting with them, they weren't taking me. I

1043
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: guess that kind of makes sense. And it's just to

1044
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: me it's kind of a you know, there's there's so

1045
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: many women out there that have done an incredible job of,

1046
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, helping the idea of female hunters become more

1047
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: socially accepted, you know, kind of like just said, with

1048
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: less of a controversy, it's not a big deal that

1049
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: women hunts anymore. And there's been a huge group of

1050
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: women do an incredible job at that, and then, um,

1051
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: in my opinion, there's a pretty big group of women

1052
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: that just kind of knock it down, I guess, and

1053
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: try to I don't know if I can. Can I

1054
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: say the word sexualize on your podcast? You can say

1055
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: whatever you want, all right, Well, I kind of feel

1056
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: like that's what they try to do, and it just

1057
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of makes all female hunters look bad, you know,

1058
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: And like you said, this same kind of thing happens

1059
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: with guys too. It's not just girls that do it

1060
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: for the wrong reasons. And you know, you know, but

1061
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: like just said, if that's how you want to hunt,

1062
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, you it's is if you're out there honestly

1063
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: enjoying the great outdoors, then that's great and more power

1064
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: to you. I just hope that you know, if you're

1065
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: doing it you're doing it honestly and because you love it,

1066
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: and that's what's most important, you know, it's I know,

1067
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: that just feels the same way that if Instagram was

1068
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: gone tomorrow, I'm still going to be out playing food

1069
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: plots and trying to kill a deer this fall, and

1070
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that that's something trying, trying, attempting.

1071
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that, and yeah, go ahead jump in. I on

1072
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: the flip side of this point. Um, I mean, I

1073
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: do not like the term huntress. I don't think that

1074
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: everything that I need to hunt needs to have pink

1075
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: on it, that whole deal. Um. But I did have

1076
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: a strange experience just past um Show season. I was

1077
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: speaking with the girl I was explaining the new sick

1078
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: of Women's and I said, yeah, there's no pink. We

1079
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: don't need pink, we don't need all this fancy fairly

1080
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: girl stuff. I'm like, this is a technical gear made

1081
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: for hunting. And the woman I was talking to just

1082
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: kind of like nodded her head and she was nice

1083
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: and plite, and then she contacted me post show to

1084
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: have another conversation and she's like, you know, you can't

1085
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: hurt my feelings a little bit, and I'm like, oh

1086
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: my gosh, how did I hurt your feelings? Like I'm

1087
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: so sorry, And she goes, Now, I hunt just the

1088
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: same as you. I've been hunting my whole life. Um,

1089
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: I probably have more experience hunting than you. And and

1090
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: she she's explaining like her passion and her dry for it,

1091
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: and she's like, and I feel like you pigeon honed

1092
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: me into like this this uh huntress, like the girl

1093
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,959
Speaker 1: with the skin tight hunting gear with hot pink nails

1094
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: and the hair extensions and all the products all over

1095
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: and the boob hanging out. And she's like, just because

1096
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: I might like get home from work with my makeup

1097
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: on and my nails painting and go hunting doesn't make

1098
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: me a huntress. And so I kind of took a

1099
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: little bit of step back um on this whole topic

1100
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: and realized that, like, yeah, some women are more tomboys,

1101
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: some women are flashy. Some women are coming home from

1102
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: work and trying to like set free themselves as quickly

1103
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: as possible and still go out and enjoy hunting. So

1104
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: I like, I kind of feel like, as long as

1105
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: you're not crossing the boundary between like what Alice said,

1106
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: trying to sexualize it or trying to to turn into something.

1107
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: It's not like hunting and hunting. If you're a true hunter,

1108
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: you can connect with another true hunter on it. If

1109
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: you are in it just for the glory or to

1110
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: sell something or to get the most tension. And it

1111
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: goes for guys or girls. Are guys and girls Like,

1112
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: there's plenty of guys out there in the tightest T

1113
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: shirt possible with their energy drings, like pulling their bows

1114
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: back in their living room, like gotta get my work

1115
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: out in it. It's the same thing, yeah, as out

1116
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: of it that butter sandwich. It's not so much the

1117
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: word huntress or the color pink. It's just it's the

1118
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: truth behind it, like what are you really after? And

1119
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: that's that is so transparent everybody can see through it. So,

1120
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean Alex and I we do our thing. We

1121
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: know what we're doing as far as like, I don't

1122
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: know if we know what we're doing hunting, but we

1123
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: know why we're hunting. Yeah, that's still to be determined

1124
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: to elaborate on that question. Though. Let's say there's a

1125
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: young girl out there right now who's listening in in

1126
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: she's she's on social media or she's just a woman

1127
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: who's listening with her husband right now on a on

1128
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: a car ride or whatever. What are some of those

1129
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: things that you know, I think, you know, there's this

1130
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: there's this fine line of of women trying to find

1131
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: role models if they're completely new to hunting, and what

1132
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: should what should women look for, you know, in looking

1133
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: for those role models. So I think that when I'm

1134
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: looking for for inspiration or strong women and or I

1135
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm like not going for the most popular,

1136
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: the most most like the most popular thing ever. I'm

1137
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: looking for people who are putting in hard work, are

1138
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: putting in the time, have facts and knowledge to back

1139
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: up what they're saying. Um, not necessarily like putting up

1140
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: a post or a blog every five minutes just to

1141
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: keep themselves relevant. So I would say to look for

1142
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: people that are doing it because they love it, because

1143
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: they're passionate about it, and look for information online or

1144
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: if you're if you're talking with people, look for substance

1145
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: in what they're saying. Don't just listen to uh like

1146
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: the top layer, like look deeper. Yeah, I I completely

1147
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: agree with everything just said. You know, A big, a

1148
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: big one for me is looking at how someone portrays themselves.

1149
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: I guess I don't really know how to say that,

1150
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: but just respects themselves. I think it's a big one

1151
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: because there's you know, a lot of women out there

1152
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: that I'm not saying they don't, but there's also some great,

1153
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: great role models out there of women that you know,

1154
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: know a lot and have a lot of good information

1155
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: that they're willing to share, but also aren't willing to

1156
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: take a tip from someone you know. And I think

1157
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: that just finding someone that you relate to yourself. You know,

1158
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: there could be a girl from Pennsylvania that's gonna relate

1159
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: to Jeff that you know, she's a great person to

1160
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: look up to in more aspects and you know than

1161
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: just the fact that she lives in Pennsylvania. But uh,

1162
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like Jess said, there's so many

1163
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: good resources out there other than just Instagram, am you know,

1164
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: other than just Facebook. You know, there's great magazines, and

1165
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: there's great online forums and you know, podcasts, blogs, you

1166
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: know things like that. There's join an organization, yes, yeah, yeah,

1167
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: local chapters your like the Ducks Unlimited Banquets, Whitetail Unlimited Banquets,

1168
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: ugh d m A like Rocky Mountain Unders. Yes, Yes,

1169
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great organizations you know that you

1170
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: can join and go to local banquets and things like

1171
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: that and meet people in your area. And I think

1172
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: that's honestly probably one of the best things to do

1173
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: because you're going to be connecting with people that live

1174
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: close to you who hunt the same kind of critters

1175
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: that you do, and you know, maybe the deer kind

1176
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: of work the same in that area, and you can

1177
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: discuss tactics and you know whatever, you can turkeyhood together.

1178
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: Like I think that would you know, be a great

1179
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: resource for someone is don't be afraid. Yeah, don't be

1180
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: afraid to ask questions of people. I mean, I've I

1181
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: see it now. The mentality is changing. People are willing

1182
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: to answer your questions for you. UM, talk to people

1183
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: who hunt, asked the guys, hey, do you have a

1184
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend that hunt? Do you have any friends that want

1185
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: to hunt with me? Like, don't be afraid to just

1186
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: put yourself out there. I mean, what's the worst that

1187
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: can happen? I say, no, yeah, yeah, and then you

1188
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: just find someone cooler. Yeah. So, So speaking of this

1189
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: whole kind of topic of like you know, finding role models,

1190
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: and in these different expectations placed on female hunters and

1191
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: some of these different I don't know, perspectives and perceptions

1192
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: that we have. Um. Alex you you were recently featured

1193
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: in a pretty cool short film by Matthews. UM that

1194
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: kind of spoke to us a little bit about female

1195
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: hunters and exceeding expectations and stuff. Could you talk a

1196
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: little bit about the message of that film and then

1197
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: what it was like being part of that. Yeah, well

1198
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: that was that was something that I hold very near

1199
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: and dear to my heart. That was such a neat

1200
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: project to be able to be a part of. When Derek,

1201
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: for Matthews, first reached out to me, you know, he

1202
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: was like, would you want to maybe do this? I

1203
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: was like, yep, say no more. I'm in. I don't

1204
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: even need to know what it is. I want to

1205
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: be a part of it. And you know, they they

1206
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: interviewed myself and the other women that were involved with

1207
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: it about, you know, what it was like growing up

1208
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: as a female hunter, or what it was like getting

1209
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: into hunting as a female. You know, we talked about

1210
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the same stuff that we've talked about here.

1211
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: You know, just a few minutes ago and um, you know,

1212
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: they really wanted to push the fact that you know,

1213
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: there's women out there that are doing this and they're

1214
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, killing it, crushing it. And you know, there's

1215
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: a lot of women out there that you know, this

1216
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: is what their life revolves around, and it's you know,

1217
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: this is important to them and it's it's part of

1218
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: who they are. And I think that there was a

1219
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: if there is one way to show authenticity, that's what

1220
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: Matthews did. I think they hit the mail directly on

1221
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: the head, you know, because there's a lot of you know,

1222
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: on social media that you know, people are like, oh, well,

1223
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: she's just out there taking the picture her boyfriend or

1224
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: her husband or you know whatever. She's not doing that,

1225
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: you know whatever, And that's fine. You know, I have

1226
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: a lot of help from my dad and from my boyfriend.

1227
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm hunting. I'm not afraid to say that, you know,

1228
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm not always out there hanging true stands by myself.

1229
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: I gladly accept help. And that's that's what hunting is about.

1230
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: It's about doing it with the people you love and

1231
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: with about you know, having fun at it and doing

1232
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: it with people you care about. And you know, but

1233
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: there's also something to be said for someone who's going

1234
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: to get out there and put in the nitty gritty

1235
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: work and get something done, not because people are watching,

1236
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: but it's because that's just what she has to do.

1237
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: That's what needs to get done, and that's what's going

1238
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: to happen. And I think that's Matthews hit the nails

1239
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: directly on the head and knocked it out of the park.

1240
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: It was such such an empowering message. And when I

1241
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: watched the first cut of the film pretty soon to

1242
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: where they were gonna release it, you know, I was

1243
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: just like moved by it. I was just like, oh

1244
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: my gosh, like I gotta get out there, like next

1245
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: season coming up, you know, I was like, I gotta

1246
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: get back out there and started working on again. It

1247
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: just motivated me, and you know, and it was it

1248
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: was me seeing myself in that position. And I've never

1249
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: really thought of myself as a role model, not necessarily

1250
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: because I don't try to be one, you know, I do,

1251
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: but just because I'm just me. I'm nothing fancy, I'm

1252
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: just me. And when that video came out, my niece,

1253
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: who is now seven years old, watches it every single day,

1254
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: like every single day today, still he watches it and

1255
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: that that to me was kind of when she watched it,

1256
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: she calls me aunt Peaches when she calls me or

1257
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: watches it, and she said, Peaches, that was the coolest

1258
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. I want to go hunt. And

1259
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, it kind of struck

1260
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: me in a different way, I guess, you know, because

1261
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: then I was like, I felt like a role model

1262
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: and I felt like someone important to her. And to

1263
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: think that, you know, someone as small town Midwest Missouri

1264
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: as me could be that for someone else is kind

1265
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: of a neat feeling. Yeah, that is pretty cool. And

1266
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: I think and I think both of you, both you,

1267
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: Jessica and Alex Um. You guys have platforms now, whether

1268
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: it be social media or your work with different companies

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01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: as ambassadors. I think there are a lot of females,

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01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: young females or whatever age that that probably looked to

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01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: you now as examples Um and role models. What you

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01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned some of these things, Alex, but maybe

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: you can expand a bit and then, jess I want

1274
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts too. But but what does that

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01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: mean to you now? Or how what am I trying

1276
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: to stay here? I guess, how does that change your

1277
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: mindset or how you act or do things knowing that

1278
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: because you now have a platform and people look to you, Um,

1279
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: do you have this new responsibility? Yeah? I try to

1280
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: be pretty mind and full of it. Um. You know,

1281
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily have like a strategy. I guess I don't.

1282
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't really know for like how I do things

1283
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: on my social media. I'm kind of all over the

1284
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: place on their kind of but you know, I kind

1285
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: of just post what I want and you know, it's

1286
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: just I'm just me on there, and you know, I'm

1287
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: nothing fancy Halftime, I'm wearing the same peer jeans for

1288
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: like six days in a row, and you know, I've

1289
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 1: got cow poop on me and something else gross is

1290
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,560
Speaker 1: happening to me probably, But that's real life, you know,

1291
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: And that's something real that I deal with all the time,

1292
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: and I try to just be as as real as

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01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: I can about it. And I love Instagram stories. That's

1294
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: like my favorite thing in the whole world is posting

1295
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: all my Instagram story about what I'm doing. And most

1296
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: of the time it's something to do with cows, because

1297
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: that's like what I'm surrounded by all the time, and

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: you know it's just I just try to keep it

1299
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: keep it real on there, and you know what I'm not.

1300
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: I think a big thing is I try. I don't

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01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: try to be something I'm not. And you know this,

1302
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: what I've the past words I've just said in the

1303
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: last few seconds is more thoughts than I've put into

1304
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: my Instagram that I have in a long time. Like

1305
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what I do on there, and

1306
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: I just I just poked when I'm warrant, and I

1307
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: just try to be me and I mean whatever, I

1308
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of followers, but you know it

1309
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter, and I just I'm just me. Yeah.

1310
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: Just what are your thoughts on coming a role model

1311
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 1: to females? Kind of along the same plane as Alex,

1312
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't sit in my living room and and

1313
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: dwell about being a role model. But I mean, when

1314
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: you when you think about it, I'm sure there are

1315
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: girls and young people and women who are looking at

1316
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: my profile and hopefully they're getting inspired to learn to uh,

1317
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: to pursue the outdoors if that's something that they're interested in. Um,

1318
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: But the same same things Alex, I don't I don't

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01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: have any ambitions to portray something different, because as I

1320
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: like what I do, I like who I am, and

1321
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go out of my way to

1322
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: change that. So, I mean, my Instagram page represents authentic

1323
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 1: things that I do. Whether it's because I'm a photographer

1324
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: or because I hunt, or because I'm a mom and

1325
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: a wife. Um, they are all real things that have happened.

1326
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: So when they get posted, I don't ever worry like, well,

1327
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: what if someone gets the wrong idea of me, because

1328
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: that's that's whatever happened, whether it was for a job

1329
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,879
Speaker 1: or because I was hunting. Like, those are real photos.

1330
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: So I don't have any kind of reservations about my

1331
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: social media presence because I'm not I'm not trying to

1332
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: obtain anything unrealistic. Yeah that makes sense. Damn, I got

1333
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: a question for you. I want to flip this a

1334
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. Yeah, you mean we're talking about you

1335
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: have a platform too, and people probably look up to

1336
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: you as a hunter or a person or as other

1337
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: different people out there. They only have nine fingers, you're

1338
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: probably one of the most well known nine fingered people

1339
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: out there. They might look up to you and you

1340
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: might bitch, how do you how do you think about

1341
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: this because I think it's this is an interesting topic

1342
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: because I think all of us, in one way or another,

1343
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: there may or there may be people who look up

1344
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: to us. Um. Maybe it's a kids, or maybe it's

1345
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: someone with a platform like you and the other hunters

1346
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 1: look up to it. But how do you handle that responsibility?

1347
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: What do you think about there? Man? I tell you what,

1348
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: I think the only way to truly be successful in

1349
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: life in general is to be who you are because

1350
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: the moment that you become fake, people will call you

1351
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: out and you will lose your credibility. So I just

1352
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: I am one of the like I'm rough around the edges,

1353
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: you know me. Um, I say what I think and

1354
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: I I'm just like like the ladies said, I'm just

1355
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: being me. Man, I'm not trying to be something different

1356
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to you know, I don't pull

1357
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: this facade. That could be a hit song right now

1358
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: you put that together, Jess, But you know what I mean, Like,

1359
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm dude, this industry has enough sellouts where you know,

1360
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: people see that, and once they see it, they may

1361
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: still follow you, but not necessarily follow you, but they

1362
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: don't absorb what you're really trying to say so at

1363
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: that point your voice becomes lost in a sea of

1364
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: other d bags. And after you know, after and you

1365
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: get one, you get one chance at it, and after

1366
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: that you're done. You're just like the rest of them.

1367
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: And you know, be genuine and be yourself. And and

1368
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a role model, per se.

1369
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to share my experiences with other people

1370
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: who are really just like me, you know, from a

1371
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: nine finger Chronicles standpoint. Dude, I work, I'm a father,

1372
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm a husband. I work forty plus hours a week.

1373
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 1: I work another however many hours a week during this podcast.

1374
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: I grind, just like the rest of the people out there.

1375
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: And I want to, you know, there when when hunting

1376
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: season comes, I want to make sure that all the blood, sweat,

1377
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: and tears that I've put in turns to success, no

1378
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: matter no matter if that's you know, hanging tree stands

1379
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: in a hundred degree heat, or checking trail cameras several times,

1380
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. I I just wanna it all

1381
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: comes down to passion. I want to express my passion

1382
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: for the animals that I hunt and outdoors in general. Yeah,

1383
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: and I think there's a moral to the story here

1384
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 1: with with everyone, it's the importance of authenticity, and I

1385
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: think it's just being you being authentic, UM. And I

1386
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: think that you know whether you want to be a

1387
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: role model or not. If if you you anything that's

1388
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: out there to the world, you inevitably become one. And

1389
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: I think being true to yourself will UM will allow

1390
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: you to to do that in the best possible way.

1391
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: And I think that. I think there's a lot of

1392
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: people on this podcast right now they're doing this, so

1393
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm humbled to be here chatting with the three of you,

1394
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: so I want to I want to shift. I want

1395
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: to shift back a little bit to the two of you,

1396
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: Jess and Alex, because you worked on a pretty cool

1397
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: project here over the past couple of years that we've

1398
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about on the podcast, and that

1399
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: has been UM your work with Sica, our great partner

1400
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: who launched their women's line of gear. And I know

1401
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: that both of you have been involved in that process,

1402
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: both some of the early stages, the design work and

1403
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: ideas there, as well as actually testing it. UM. I'd

1404
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: love to hear about what that was like, and we've

1405
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: heard just just a little bit from you and some

1406
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: of our sick of stories in the past. But UM,

1407
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: for those that haven't heard, I'd still like to hear

1408
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: your perspective on this. Maybe, Jess, can you kick us

1409
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: off tell us a little bit about what that experience

1410
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: is like for you. UM. Well, it started several years ago. UM.

1411
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 1: Sica had invited myself and Alex and some other women

1412
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: UM to the office where they just sat us down

1413
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: and we had several brainstorming sessions. They asked about our

1414
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: experiences and our ones and our needs, UM what wasn't

1415
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: being met as far as our CAMEO, and we overtime

1416
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 1: came up with the system that you see say UM

1417
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: and went through a lot of UM, Like I said,

1418
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: brainstorming sessions, a lot of testing UM, several several prototypes

1419
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: UM UM. Alex and I and some other women UM

1420
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: like Amanda Caldwell had all tested the white tail pieces

1421
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: and the big game pieces before anybody even knew about

1422
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: this line UM. And then to see it come come

1423
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: through to be reality, it has been really amazing. I mean,

1424
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: some of the things that we talked about in that

1425
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: room with that white board, we now are using the field,

1426
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: so UM, it's been real honor, and it's it's really

1427
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: dissatisfied so many um things that we're missing for female hunting.

1428
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 1: That's awesome. What about you else? Yeah, I mean I

1429
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: feel like this is what my response has been every time.

1430
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: But everything that Jess just said pretty much, and you know,

1431
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: she she said it exactly right. You know, it was

1432
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: it was a super fun process and it was something

1433
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 1: that I was so proud to be involved with. And

1434
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, right off the bat, I was like, oh

1435
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: my gosh, Alex, what have you done? Like you are

1436
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: going to help sit kill with this? Like you must

1437
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: have done something right, Like I was like super pumped.

1438
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 1: You know. That's that's how Jess and I met, you know,

1439
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and we had a blast

1440
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: out there and it was so much fun creating it

1441
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: and you know, just kind of giving ideas and our

1442
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: feedback and now seeing the line come up and you know,

1443
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: be such a hit. It's really rewarding to be a

1444
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: part of that, and it's really cool and it's it's

1445
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: been neat. I've been fortunate enough to go to several

1446
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: trade shows this year and stand in the sit kabooth

1447
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: and talk to people about not just the women's line,

1448
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: but all sit Because lines. And it's been really neat

1449
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: to see this when you tell a woman about Sitka's

1450
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,879
Speaker 1: new women's line, to see like the sense of relief,

1451
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: I guess that she expresses like, oh, finally sick because

1452
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: making a women's flight, you know, because Sitka is known

1453
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: for having incredible gear, you know that really aids and hunting,

1454
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: and you know, and women are just like relieved almost

1455
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: that there's finally going to be pants that's fit. Finally

1456
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: we don't have to deal with the weird crotch that's

1457
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 1: on all men's pants and you know, up to teut literally,

1458
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: don't even get me started like it like it's it's

1459
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: been it's been really neat, and you know, and to

1460
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: have even just the tiniest little involvement and that has

1461
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: been awesome. And you know, it's allowed me to meet

1462
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: people like Jeff and make other friends that you know,

1463
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: I consider some of my best friends now. And it's

1464
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: it's been awesome. When you guys were in that room discussing,

1465
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you guys were all voicing your

1466
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: opinion about, you know, what a garment should have from

1467
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: a woman's standpoint. Um with women, I feel having such

1468
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: a variety of body types compared to men. How what

1469
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: was the discussion in that room, like on that specific topic. Well,

1470
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: that's kind of funny because when you put Alex and

1471
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 1: I next door another, I am very short and Alex

1472
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: is a lot taller than I am, but we wear

1473
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: relatively the same size. So when we were coming up

1474
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: with UM. When I was discussing sizing with with SIKA,

1475
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, well that's great if that's what

1476
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: the measurement is for a medium or small, but what

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01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: are you gonna do for all the sizes between small

1478
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: and medium? And the guys kind of looked at me like,

1479
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: we didn't what do you mean? I mean they didn't

1480
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: understand that between size A and size B is size

1481
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: A through Z again, and uh. We we really put

1482
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: a lot of time into discussing this with them because

1483
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: we knew that if we didn't, if SIKA didn't put

1484
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: out what women needed, they were going to get the

1485
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,600
Speaker 1: biggest backlash. Like ever, like they I don't think they

1486
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: anticipated how critical women were going to be. So we

1487
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: let them in on that early and they did a

1488
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: really good job of planning for UM. Four ways stretched

1489
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: in the garment. There's a lot of gusting and adjustments

1490
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: in the garments that aren't available in the guy's line

1491
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: because it's not needed. Um, there's zippers and new places

1492
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: and elastic in different places. The bids have more adjustability,

1493
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: the jackets have different draw strings, and the guys so

1494
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: I mean there was it was aligned from the like yeah,

1495
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: completely redesigned, and like the sizing on all of the

1496
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: gear is like incredible. The fit of it is awesome,

1497
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: and you know, wearing gear that actually fits is like

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01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 1: it's like change my whole life. It's it's awesome. And

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01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, like just said, there is no small, medium

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01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: large when it comes to women's clothing, Like naturally, we

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01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: can't make it that not just once one size fits

1502
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: all answer. And you know, once that kind of realize that,

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01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: they were like, Okay, well this is just what we

1504
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: have to do, and they did it and they crushed it.

1505
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't think they could get

1506
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: any more flexible in the way they design. They designed

1507
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: these clues to fit then they have. I mean, it's

1508
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: just it's pretty incredible. That's uh, that's something I would

1509
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: have never known, that's for sure. When it comes all

1510
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 1: that sizing stuff in too, and zippers and pockets. You

1511
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: should have heard the conversation on where we're gonna put pockets.

1512
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was a whole another deal. Um, well,

1513
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: every girl brings different things with her to the field.

1514
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did those guys, but I

1515
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: have a certain place I like to put if I

1516
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: have my cell phone or my range finder might not

1517
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: necessarily go around my neck and a range finder pocket.

1518
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like how I feel that day.

1519
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 1: So I wanted to make sure that for me, I

1520
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: had ample pocket space in all of places KA place

1521
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: pockets and I a lot of girls. Yeah, and you

1522
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: had to be careful because you couldn't put too many

1523
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: pockets that you know, women already have a little bit

1524
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: more bulk on their chest than a guys do a

1525
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 1: guy dad, So you know you had to be careful

1526
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: putting pockets over the chest area, you know, because then

1527
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: I could you know, interrupt your draw cycle when you're

1528
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: going your bow and you know, pocket placement over the hips,

1529
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: well hips, you know, women's hips are different. It was

1530
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: just like it was got creative, yeah, and it's awesome.

1531
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: Like the turnout was like like I put it on,

1532
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, Yep, this is it. Let's go, Like,

1533
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. I think that you put pants on.

1534
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm like we we had put prototype pants on and

1535
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: probably sat five hundred times in a row just to

1536
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: make sure that when we put our hands in the

1537
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: pockets it felt good. Yep, so good. Good to go. Well, now,

1538
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: speaking of of the testing process, I think that this

1539
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: was during the testing process. Maybe it was after. But Jessica,

1540
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: your your first prong horn hunt that you went on

1541
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: with Amanda last year. Was that part of the testing

1542
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: process or was that just a hunt together. I'd love

1543
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: to hear about that hunt, because it sounds like that

1544
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Um. It was a plan that Amanda

1545
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: and I had cooked up on our own, and it

1546
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: just kind of coincided with the field testing for the

1547
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,600
Speaker 1: Women's Big Game pieces. When we did to hunt, the

1548
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: prototypes were available in the open country pattern, which obviously

1549
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 1: now they are for the first year, only available in

1550
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: the subalpine for Women's Big Game. So the photos that

1551
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: you see of me, I am wearing the Women's Big

1552
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: Game pieces just in the open country pattern. Um, but

1553
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: we got to test the pieces out on the prairies

1554
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: of Montana, and obviously I was successful. It was an

1555
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: incredible hunt. Um, mainly due to Amanda's know how I mean,

1556
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: she's an incredible hunter and I look up to her

1557
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: so much. She's taught me so so much about this

1558
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: hunting in general. She's a great person to be around

1559
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: and she's one of my dearest friends now. And then

1560
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: also coinciding with that, we also tested the Matthew's Avail

1561
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: before it had debuted. So I I'm not gonna say

1562
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm ninety nine or percent sure, but I'm ninety percent sure.

1563
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: I got the first harvest with the women's avail from Matthews,

1564
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 1: so that was pretty exciting. Who it's pretty sweet. So

1565
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: you so this was a bow kill on Prong Horn.

1566
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:05,600
Speaker 1: What was that like? Because I feel like that's one

1567
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: of the toughest things to pull off. Was it a

1568
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: water hole hunt or spot and stalk or what? No,

1569
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 1: we stopped the whole time. We didn't sit over any water, um,

1570
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: which I knew I had a time that that was

1571
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: the plan and that's what I wanted to do. Um.

1572
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,799
Speaker 1: What I wasn't prepared for was how much more athletic

1573
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: Amanda is than I am. So she was she was

1574
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: just going, going, going, and which was fantastic because I

1575
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 1: got a great experience. But um, there were some times

1576
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: where I just looked at her and said, I need

1577
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: to take a break for a second. Um, but we

1578
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: we had so much fun, and we were probably elbow

1579
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: crawling across vast open spaces for the majority of the time.

1580
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 1: Um we as you know, you can't just like walk

1581
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: up to a pronghorn, so we would spot them and

1582
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 1: just kind of make our way through drainages and tall grass,

1583
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 1: literally dragging ourselves on our stommit with like my bow

1584
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: resting on the back of my back for hours. My

1585
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: elbows were robbed by the end of this hunt. And uh,

1586
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: but it was so worth it, and we had so

1587
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: much fun. It was It's probably one of the most

1588
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: memorable hunting experiences I had ever been on. It was

1589
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: my first time hunting out west, my first time hunting

1590
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 1: with Amanda, and uh, it was I mean it was spectacular. Yeah,

1591
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: it looked like at the photos were pretty pretty incredible.

1592
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 1: And there there's actually two places you can hear about this.

1593
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,879
Speaker 1: You guy, you just had the article published in Peterson's

1594
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 1: Bow Hunting. I saw about that hunt which is pretty

1595
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: so that that article um speaks more to uh, the process,

1596
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: the gear that we used, the terrain. Um, it's more

1597
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: of a technical article. And also in the Matthew's Annual

1598
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: for this year, is um a different take on the story,

1599
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: more of the experience with Amanda and a little bit

1600
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: more of girls right up? Um, But both are it's

1601
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: the same story, the same hunt. And you should read

1602
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: them books because then you get books takes. Yeah. And

1603
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: then there's also a blog post on matthews website. Is

1604
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: that the same one that's in the and the annual? Yeah? Cool.

1605
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: I'll make sure to link to that if anyone wants

1606
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: to check that out or see the photos and all

1607
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: that good stuff. Um. And also speaking of that kind

1608
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: of stuff links, I'll also be sharing that film that

1609
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: we were talking about that Alex was in two, so

1610
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: look for that. UM. So we are coming up on

1611
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 1: time and we need to wrap this up, so I

1612
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: guess before we do that, um, Dan, do you have

1613
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: any final thoughts or questions for Jess or Alex. Well,

1614
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: I know it's it's very easy for you know, you know,

1615
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 1: for people to take it a route like what we

1616
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, and um, I honestly stay away from UM.

1617
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: I stay away from social media for the most part.

1618
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: Other than what I'm doing on my end, I don't

1619
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't find myself flipping through stuff. So but I

1620
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: must say that I'm happy with what I see and

1621
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to be showing my daughter your guys stuff.

1622
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:15,759
Speaker 1: So uh, really, all I have to say final thoughts

1623
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: Alex for you on anything we've talked about here today

1624
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: or anything you want to leave our listeners with. UM.

1625
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of something like deep and insightful,

1626
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: but I don't really know that I have anything other

1627
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: than just like you know, if you're getting into hunting,

1628
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: welcome and you know, keep at it. It's not easy,

1629
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: but you know you can do it and it can

1630
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: be done, and it's fun if you let it be

1631
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: and you know it's this is a lot of fun.

1632
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: And thanks for having me, I guess, Jessica. UM. Definitely,

1633
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: if there's a spark of interest there, pursue it. UM,

1634
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: try hard, do yourself. Who cares what other people say?

1635
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: Because I hear it every day. There's plenty of people

1636
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: who want to disagree with you, who care, do what

1637
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:05,799
Speaker 1: you love, be honest, and uh, go get some women's

1638
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: sick of gear. Speaking of don't let yourself up to sail.

1639
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: Go out with the best gear and you'll have way

1640
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: more fun there you go, Speaking of gears sort of.

1641
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I do have one final question that I've forgot and

1642
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, Jessica. You are a professional

1643
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: photographer and a lot of people these days are trying

1644
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: to take better photos of their outdoor activities, whether it

1645
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: be a shot with a deer they just killed or

1646
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: something to do in the field. Do you have any

1647
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 1: quick tips for listeners as far as taking better pictures? Um?

1648
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 1: In my opinion, respect the animal, clean up the animal. Um.

1649
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: If you're gonna pose with it, pose respectfully with it.

1650
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: Have some ethics when you take the photography. Uh, definitely.

1651
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna want to try and have the light in

1652
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 1: front of you if at nighttime, bring a light. Uh, definitely.

1653
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: Just my my biggest advice is just have respect with

1654
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 1: the way you're doing it. If you are disrespectful, it's

1655
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: going to come off that way, no matter how great damages.

1656
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: Solid advice. Where can people go, Jessica if they want

1657
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: to see what you're doing with your business or on

1658
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: social media? Or anything like that. UM My business de

1659
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Photography. You can go to de Lorenzo photo dot com. Um.

1660
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 1: My Instagram is just glow seven um, and I have

1661
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook as well. Cool and Alex, what about you?

1662
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 1: Um if anybody wants to follow me on Instagram, my

1663
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: name is Alex Templeton Underscore and I also have a

1664
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 1: Facebook as well. I don't really do quite as much

1665
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: on there. I'm pretty active on Instagram. So come look

1666
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: at some pictures of cows if you'd like. Very good.

1667
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you Jessica, Thank you. Alex. Has

1668
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. I think it's, um, it's

1669
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: unique perspective that we need. Um, I don't. We don't

1670
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to speak to terrific female role models

1671
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: and hunters like you enough. And I'm really glad that

1672
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: we're able to to kind of share your perspectives. So

1673
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: thanks so much for being here. Yeah, absolutely, and there

1674
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: you go. Another episode is in the books and a

1675
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 1: few quick updates. I wanted to give everyone who has

1676
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: left us a rating or review on iTunes a big

1677
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: thank you. We had a bunch of new reviews lately

1678
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: and I really really appreciate that, and speaking of thanks,

1679
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: I want to give a big shout out to our

1680
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: partners who continue to make this podcast possible. So big

1681
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: thanks to Sick of Gear Yetie Cooler's Matthew's Archery may

1682
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: have an Optics White Talents to North America, Trophy Ridge

1683
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: and hunt Terra Maps. And finally, thank you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate each and every one of you. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're spring Turkey hunts or habitat projects have been going well,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you'll stay Wire to Hunt