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Speaker 1: Bill Maloney. Good afternoon, Charlie. Manu. Savages are down but

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Speaker 1: have paired their losses. DALL is currently lower by twenty

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Speaker 1: a biotechs fall forty three and the vix is higher

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Speaker 1: by two point eight percent. Dolla leaders said the downside

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Speaker 1: included Catpillar, American Express, and Goldman Sachs, Nike, J and

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Speaker 1: Restoration Hardware plunged after its results. H and up Block

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Speaker 1: desk on Bill Maloney. Charlie Hall, all right, thank you

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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Peloton. Dat's Bloomberg Business Flash. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Gold investors piling into gold. It's up more than twenty

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Speaker 1: this year. Mining stocks have gained even more. Let's find

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Speaker 1: out more from Jim Rickarts. He is the editor of

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Speaker 1: Strategic Intelligence Newsletter, and he is also the author of

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Speaker 1: the New Case for Gold. Jim Rickarts, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for being with Usim tell us about George Soros,

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Speaker 1: the billionaire investor, because in May he disclosed a nineteen

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Speaker 1: million share steak in the world's largest gold producer, that's

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Speaker 1: Barrack Gold. And also, just to compound it, double lined capitals.

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Speaker 1: You know Jeffrey Gondlack, he has called for gold to

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Speaker 1: reach fourteen hundred dollars an ounce that currently trades on

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Speaker 1: the Comax at undred and seventy. Well, that's right the

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Speaker 1: way I think about him. People always talk about the

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Speaker 1: dollar price of gold. I actually, you know, when I

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Speaker 1: invest in gold, I think of it by way. So

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Speaker 1: there's so many else, there's so many kilos. If you're

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Speaker 1: Kyle Best or Texas, Uh, you know, a pension fine

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Speaker 1: you can buy a few times if you like, for

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Speaker 1: a couple hundred million dollars. But a lot of people

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Speaker 1: to even in dollars. They quoted in dollars. But so

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Speaker 1: in that sense, the dollar price to goal is just

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Speaker 1: the inverse of the dollars. So when you have a

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Speaker 1: stronger dollar, you would expect a lower dollar price for goal.

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Speaker 1: A weaker dollar means a higher dollar price for gold.

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Speaker 1: So owning goal right here is basically a bet against

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Speaker 1: the dollars, saying the dollar is going to get weaker,

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Speaker 1: which it is if it has been tightening for three years. Um,

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Speaker 1: they're going into an easy case. The dollar is going

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Speaker 1: to weaken against the year in the end, and that

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Speaker 1: means a higher price for goal. And I think Sorice

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Speaker 1: is onto that. And you know San drooncon Miller and

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Speaker 1: and other Hedghow managers are very very successful long turn

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Speaker 1: shop records are making the same trade. Well. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the tightening has been pretty slight from the FED gym,

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Speaker 1: much of at all they're going to raise rates anymore

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Speaker 1: global yields lowest and five years have recorded history ten

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars of negative rate bonds. This is a super

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Speaker 1: I've been see to people lately. Are we all watching

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Speaker 1: more and more yields go negative around the world and

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Speaker 1: not realizing this is a signal of something bad brewing? Yah?

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Speaker 1: I think actually all the rates in the world are

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Speaker 1: said tightening. They've been tightening for three years since May

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Speaker 1: December two thousand thirteen. They then remove forward guidance in

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Speaker 1: threatening to rays rate. It's finally got around to it. Well,

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't be tightening. They should be easy, and they have.

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Speaker 1: The economy is probably heading into recession. You don't tighten

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Speaker 1: talking about tightening, but they basically because they've been tightening

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Speaker 1: they've created a dollar shortage around the world and so

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Speaker 1: it is deflationary. That's why yields are going down um

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Speaker 1: and now. So the question is how do you get

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Speaker 1: out of it that? Where do we go from here?

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Speaker 1: What the way you get out of it is with

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Speaker 1: a weaker dollar? This is just currency wars ONNEO one.

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Speaker 1: So all the other channels are broken. There's there's no

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Speaker 1: physical stimulus because there's no political consensus. They can't make

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Speaker 1: basically the only way to create similar because it doesn't

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Speaker 1: do anything for the world. It can help a particular

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Speaker 1: economy or country briefly until it flips the other way.

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Speaker 1: It's not doing anything for world growth. But right now

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Speaker 1: US and China are trying to get a little lift

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Speaker 1: with a weaker currency, and that means a stronger dollar,

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Speaker 1: stronger hero, and stronger goal. I'm pretty stronger, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: bespoke a stronger ye and stronger euro and stronger vot Jim.

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Speaker 1: If people follow this strategy, what are the tactics? Tell

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Speaker 1: us should you invest in Newmont Mining, Freeport mcmaran, the

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Speaker 1: Spider Gold Trust, the Direction Daily Gold Miners Index, bull shares?

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Speaker 1: What what should you invest in? My preference is physical goal,

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Speaker 1: but I don't like so called paper goal, whether it's comics,

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Speaker 1: futures et s or London Bullion Market Association on account

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Speaker 1: allocated forwards because when the price of gold super spikes,

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Speaker 1: when it really goes up, when you really want your goal,

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Speaker 1: all those contracts are going to be terminated. They we'll

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Speaker 1: give you a check for your profits as a closed

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Speaker 1: if you do want mining shares, they recommend some of

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Speaker 1: the smaller miners because their takeover candidates a company like Barrack.

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Speaker 1: With the price of goal going up, it's easier for

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Speaker 1: go out and do a development study and explore completely

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Speaker 1: new fields. I mean they'll do both, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of these um UH six cecil the junior miners are

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Speaker 1: very good takeover candidates right now. So you're getting a

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Speaker 1: for joining us to talk about how gold is a

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Speaker 1: winner in a world where bonds are rallying more and more,

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Speaker 1: yields are turning negative and as he says, the ft

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Speaker 1: a dollar shortage, that too is good for gold. We

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Speaker 1: the New Case for Gold. I'm Kathleen Hayes along with

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