1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Okay, everything's recording. My cat is grooming herself, So when 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: now was the time? Now? Some time? Very great? But 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: should just use that as a rang tru Okay, I 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: mean I'm fine with that. Whatever, Okay, let's do it. 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: That's very in true. Sharine's cat is grooming herself, and 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: that means that this is it could happen here. And 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: I am James Stout and I'm joined by Sharine units 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: and not not her cat. She's just she's just rowdy 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: and I have to really sometimes plan recording times around 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: her schedule. And that's that's just the way my life 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: is now. And that's yeah, that's the attention she deserves. 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: None of this is important. It's okay, but it's a 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: bit of a serious one, sadly. And so I want 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: to talk more again about the border, something we've spoken 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: about a little bit and something I kind of want 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: to keep coming back too, because things haven't really got 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: any better. In fact, they've potentially got worse. So where 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: I want to start is last month, and we're recording 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: this and what the fourth of April, so still for 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: a week ago, I think a firing attention twenty eighth Okay, Yeah, 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,279 Speaker 1: what's that three? Yeah, a week ago, a week ago today. 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: A fire in a detention center in sued Ad Huaras 23 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: killed forty one migrants being detained there. Well then two 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: dozen other people were seriously injured, and every single one 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: of the about one hundred people detained in the migrant 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: detention center was hurt in the fire. The reason that 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: every single person was hurt became clear in a video 28 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: obtained by Texas Public Radio and later confirmed by the 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: government in Mexico. It shows two people dressed as guards 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: rush into the camera frame. You can see people in 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: the cells just really pulling and kicking and beating on 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: the bars. The guards sort of run up to the doors, 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: but they don't really appear to make any effort to 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: open them or to let the people out of the cells. Instead, 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: they hurry away as clouds of smoke begin to fill 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: the corners of the cells. Gradually, the smoke fills up 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: the whole screen until you can't see anything else and 38 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: the men in the cells are left to die. It's horrifying. Yeah, 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: it's one of the worst deaths that's available to a 40 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: human being, and the fact that people who are already 41 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: incredibly desperate and have taken huge risks to get there 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: and died like literally yards from the United States border. 43 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Is just it's almost kind of unfathomably cruel. But what 44 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: is in a way crueler is this statement made by 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: the US Ambassador to Mexico, Ken Salazar. He said the 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: tragedy illustrated the dangerous grifts in traveling north and he 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: cited the loss of life in two recent smuggling incidents 48 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: in San Antonio in the southern Mexican state of Chiapas. 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: These cases, he said, are a reminder of the risks 50 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: of irregular migration. But what we're talking about here isn't 51 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: a consequence of irregular migration, really right, because these people 52 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: weren't in the hands of criminals or coyotes or cartels. 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: That they were in the hands of the Mexican government 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: when they died. And for him to blame this on 55 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: a regular migration, I think it is very indicative of 56 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: the way the bid administration has approached migration policy, which 57 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: is to try and always obfuscate and shirk the responsibility 58 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: for the cruel things that it's doing, for the consequences 59 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: of its policies and its actions, which I want to 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: get into more. I don't want to linger on this 61 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: fire too much because it's unfathomably awful, and like I 62 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: don't think it. I don't think we need to spend 63 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: hours and hours like going over something for people to 64 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: know that there is no situation in which the government 65 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: should burn fucking forty people alive, Like, um, it's inexcusable. 66 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: We know that, like it was, the shelter was set 67 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: up in twenty nineteen, and I want to get into 68 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: why this shelter, which seems to have been a pretty 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: terrible conditions to begin with, was set up in twenty nineteen, 70 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: Why people who claim to the United States to try 71 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: and have a better life, to say for life, ended 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: up in a shelter in Mexico, And how we've created 73 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: a system where people keep dying at our southern border. Right, 74 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: some of this will be stuff we've covered before. People 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: have listened to the other stuff I've done on the boarder. 76 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: If people have listened to the Butterfly Sanctuary episodes, they'll 77 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: be familiar with some of Biden's border policies. But I 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: wanted to address these. Did you see that they lowered 79 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: the death toll from forty to thirty eight, I guess 80 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: after hospital visits. Like that's the one part that I've 81 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: read that is nice so far. Yeah, that's good. I've 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: seen thirty eight, thirty nine, and forty one, and it 83 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: wasn't sure what being exactly, So thirty eight it's in. Yes, 84 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: right now I'm reading thirty eight after it was it 85 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: was forty and it was lowered to thirty eight. Okay, 86 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: Well two people were reanimated. Yeah, I mean it's I mean, 87 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: it's just like they're probably in terrible condition, like they're 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: probably going they're having like life changing if not like all, 89 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: like it's just terrible. Yeah, And like access to care 90 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: for those people. I mean those people may have access 91 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: to care, right because of what happened was high profile 92 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: and within the news, but like generally access to care 93 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: for people like I have seen I've seen a person 94 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: die because they don't have access to their medicines that 95 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: are very cheap and very easily available. Like again, like 96 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: we are talking feet, like I could throw a tennis 97 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: ball into the United States and where it was stalling. 98 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: And that's because this system treats people like numbers, not people. Yeah, 99 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: migration center is like a like a big jail, you 100 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean, it doesn't even Yeah, it's like 101 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: an old timey fucking Western jail with people crammed it too, 102 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: cells with with you know, like legit bars on the walls, 103 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: so slow. Conditions in Mexican detention are often very poor, 104 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: and those conditions have been exacerbated by something called Title 105 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: forty two. People have probably heard about Title forty two 106 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot to say about Title forty two, 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: but very briefly, it's a trump or a public health 108 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: policy that invokes a public health rule to push asylum 109 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: seekers out the US and into Mexico, regardless of whether 110 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: or not they might legally qualify for asylum. This shelter 111 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: was stood up as a consequence of something called the 112 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: Migrant Protection Protocol. People call it the Migrant persecution protocol 113 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: because that's more accurate. But I was going to say, like, wow, 114 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: doing a very job with that. Yeah, Like people enjoy 115 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: being wrong about George orwell, but this ship is perfectly 116 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 1: orwelly in yea To call a policy which kills little 117 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: fucking children the Migrant Protectional policy is dark, they call it. 118 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: It's often called remain in Mexico as well, which is 119 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: what it does. It requires people to remain in Mexico 120 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: while their asylum claim it's process, despite the fact that 121 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: this might not be a safe country for them, and 122 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: that this might violate various international laws and conventions on asylum. 123 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: But the US doesn't subscribe to all of those. As 124 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: we're going to find out now. Title forty two has 125 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: been through some legal ping pong recently, right with Biden's 126 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: sort of trying to get rid of it, also defending 127 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: getting caught a bunch of conservative states suing to keep it. 128 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: So let's expend a little bit of where we're at 129 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: with Title forty two right now. It's actually set to 130 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: expire on May the eleventh. The Biden administration is rolling 131 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: out plans that will continue to restrict migrant access after 132 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: May the eleventh because they're concerned about like a large 133 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: influx of migrants, which I just want to point out 134 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: was always going to fucking happen, right when you like 135 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: pushed people just the other side of your fictional line 136 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: in the sand, and then at some point you're going 137 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: to have to start because at some point, Mexico is 138 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: already the third most popular country in the world for 139 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: asylum and you can't force this all on them. So 140 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: since it was first implemented in twenty twenty, the government 141 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: has used Title forty two to expel migrants from the 142 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: US Mexico border nearly two point seven million times. That 143 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you will see these statistics quoted constantly, credulously, 144 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: like people who don't understand what the fuck they're talking about. 145 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: And it really makes me angry. That doesn't mean two 146 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: point seven million people, right, Because Title forty two makes 147 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: people cross more than once. It creates this kind of 148 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: loop where DHS right normally CBP or bought a patrol, sorry, 149 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: picks people up and dumps them back in Mexico without 150 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: processing them. And those people are now in a place 151 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,599 Speaker 1: they don't know, they don't have any family that have 152 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: any hope, they don't have any money, and all they 153 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: do is kick their heels until they can find a 154 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: way to cross again, or someone to cross them again. 155 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: And sometimes people who are facilitating those crossings will offer 156 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: them unlimited crossings, so they'll pay someone to smuggle them across, right, 157 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: and that person will say, well, you get unlimited crossings, 158 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: Like I didn't even realize. I didn't know it was 159 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: so like standard. They're like, Okay, this is gonna happen. 160 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna get elimited cross, you know what I mean. 161 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Like there's like they're expecting it to be this like 162 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: perpetual loop. Yeah, I mean they a few years ago, 163 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,599 Speaker 1: maybe they wouldn't have done. But another way that this 164 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: is sometimes termed his catch and release, which they're not 165 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: fucking fish. Um shouldn't do that to fish either. It's 166 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: not really nice to fish. But using Yeah, it's extremely 167 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: fucking dehumanizing, right, and what it does and what I've 168 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: seen what I'm not it's not like a unique insight 169 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: of mine is that it forces people to cross in 170 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: more and more dangerous areas. Like you combine that with 171 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: a wall and the fact that like it's very well 172 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: documented that the Trump administration wanted to maximize the amount 173 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: of miles of wall that built. If you remember in 174 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: one of the presidential debates, he made a claim about 175 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: a certain number of miles of new wall he built. Yeah, 176 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: he was just speaking out of his ass. I've foyed 177 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: it like the next day and they were like, I 178 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: think they provide a number of different numbers or many 179 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: of which relied heavily on repairing existing board of vents. 180 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: But they just went like hammer and tongs, trying to 181 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: build new sections of wall to include skipping areas where 182 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: it was harder to build valleys, mountains, that kind of thing, Right, 183 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: And so what this wall does is it forces people 184 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: through the areas where it's hardest to cross, and those 185 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: are the areas where it's easiest to die. And so 186 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: these people are now forced to make risky and riskier 187 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: crossings to try and avoid getting caught, or to wait 188 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: in Mexico where they're at a very high risk of 189 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: abduction or sexual assault, extortion or violence. Right, and will 190 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: come on too, maybe a couple of those stories later, 191 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: just from people I've talked to. The result of this 192 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: policy is that border cities in Mexico are flooded with migrants, 193 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: and often with soldiers sent there to supposedly keep the peace. 194 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: Last month, the Mexican National Guard and the immigration authorities 195 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: raided a hotel full of Venezuelan migrants in Hualis. Local 196 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: news outlets reported that the migrants, mostly young men, through 197 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: stones at the officials and they're broad issued and eventually 198 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: they call off the raid. In another incident, authority to 199 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: raided the church and dragged off a number of Venezuelan 200 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: migrants who have been given to sanctuary there. Some were beaten, 201 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: and one advocate said they were essentially tortured. This prompted, yeah, 202 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: it's this is horrific, right, like a lot of so 203 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the young men in the it was 204 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: all men in the potential center that caught fire. Most 205 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: of them were from Venezuela place like I've lived in Venezuela. 206 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: I have a lot of sympathy for those people. And yeah, 207 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: she actually I found like a breakdown. I guess there 208 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: is thirteen Hundurians, twelve Salvadorians, twelve Venezuelans, a Colombian and 209 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: an Ecuadorian. So I mean, even that's crazy, like there's 210 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: so many people from all those countries. It's I don't know. Yeah, 211 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: we'll see a bit later that there are certain pathways, 212 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: like for Venezuelan people, there are some pathways that don't 213 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: exist through other people then insufficient and they're they're how 214 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: do I say this unfair, but sort of they exist. 215 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, those people from from those countries. We see 216 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: a lot of Haitian people at the border here too. 217 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a pretty common kind of like border 218 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: mix up of folks. Unfortunately, often you won't see Haitian folks. 219 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: That there are sort of segregations even within the migrant community, 220 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: and often Haitian folks is kind of segregated out, which 221 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: is which is unfortunately, Like I thought, the horrors one 222 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: is kind of that the population breakdown, Like wouldn't the 223 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: Haitian border crossing be like somewhere else. I don't think 224 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: to say it's dumb at all. I don't know what 225 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: they breakdown. I know there are Haitian people in ware Is. 226 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: I know the at the Cuban folks in Whuaireas too, 227 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: and they've kind of some of them have stayed in 228 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: wires and established kind of their own communities and that's 229 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: had some sort of some negative results for antimigrant feeling 230 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: in wire Is. From what I've heard, I know there 231 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: are a lot of Haitian folks in Tijuana. A lot 232 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: of the Haitian people come via Brazil, where they've spent 233 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: time like preparing for the Olympics that were there and 234 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: building stadio and stuff. So a lot of them tell 235 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: me they've come up from Brazil and then obviously with 236 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: like increased violence in Haiti. Now you'll see more Haitian 237 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: people again. There's a decent Haitian community that also is 238 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: established in Tijuana and has it's that it's their home now, right, 239 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: Like I had no idea to be honest, So now 240 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: I know, I'll accept being a little bit dumb. So 241 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: everyone it's not very well reported on, and I think 242 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: it's honestly people have stopped reporting on it since twenty 243 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: twenty as well, like since like Orange man Bad started 244 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: being like the prevailing like mass media message, no one 245 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: gives a fuck about microus anymore, Like there's a pronounced 246 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: drop off when I cross of people, and I don't know. 247 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: There are some very good reporters, of course, you know, 248 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: we've spoken to some of them in Tijuana and in 249 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: San Diego. But yeah, you just there was a lot 250 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: of parachute reporting on migration in the tramp Era, and 251 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: some of it very bad, some of it by people 252 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: who didn't have the language skills to be working there 253 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: and didn't understand what was respectful and what wasn't and 254 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: things like that. So I have strong feelings about how 255 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: the migrant care abound in twenty eighteen was was reported 256 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: on for instance. Yeah, but yeah, you'll definitely see a 257 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: ton of Haitian people and that Biden has gone exceptionally hard. 258 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: I'll include a link at the bottom of like a 259 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: piece I wrote for NBC about bidensti Haitian bullshit but 260 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: like um exceptionally hard, specifically against the Haitian so that 261 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: you can find a tweet from the Haitiana of the 262 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: United States Embassy in Haiti where it's just got a 263 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: picture of Biden. I think it says, don't come. I'm 264 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: paraphrasing that special account. Yeah, yeah, no, it's wild, Like 265 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: you don't see this in other countries either, even you 266 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: know they've made like they've made it. There was a 267 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: ton of special exemptions for people from Ukraine, right, it's 268 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: hard not to see that it's RACI of course, yeah, 269 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: of course as Ukraine. Yeah yeah, because then it's yeah, great, 270 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: but also you have to look at the like why 271 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: did that happen? Right, And if we can't like express 272 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: like Russian bombs killed kids in the m two Russian 273 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: bombs killed kids all over fucking Africa, and if we 274 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: can't have solidarity with them, or we can with Ukrainian people, 275 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: and then it's hard for me not to see that 276 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: as to do with their skin color. Yeah, and then 277 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: that is bullshit, and so yeah, Title forty two were 278 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: end in May when the COVID Public Health Emergency Order expires. 279 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: Biden said earlier on that he would end Title forty two. 280 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: He then faced these lawsuits from conservative states, but at 281 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: the same time that by the ministration fiercely defended Title 282 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: forty two and litigation brought by the ACLU and other 283 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: groups challenging the policy, and even the CDC right the 284 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: CDC Center for these control was like, now the shit 285 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: isn't necessary and it's cool, we should stop. The government 286 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: has argued that public health concerns for letting migrants into 287 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: the country due to continued threat of COVID nineteen outweigh 288 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: the possible harms done to migrants who return to cities 289 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: like or Tijuana. Like, you don't even need a COVID 290 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: test to fly into this country, now, I don't think, right, 291 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: like my family come visit me. So the end of 292 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: the emergency kind of makes that a moot point, right, Like, 293 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: you can't have a public health order to protect us fromidities, 294 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: which you're saying, isn't the problem anymore. But the damage 295 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: that this has done will take years to rectify, and 296 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: the backlog that it's created is already being used as 297 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: an excuse to do more cruel and inhumane things to 298 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: people who are just looking for a fair crack at life. Sure, 299 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: do you know what won't build a wall around itself 300 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: and force people to rest their life to get here? 301 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: You tell me, James, what is it? It is these 302 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: silver coins that have Ronald Reagan on them, who probably 303 00:16:45,840 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: outflanks our current immigration Yep, Uncle ron Okay, we're back, 304 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: Thank you, Ronald Reagan. Or maybe it was a gold advert. 305 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: I hope it was a gold vause I know that 306 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: everyone enjoys so so much. Please don't message Sophie about 307 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: the fucking gold things. We know, yeah, we know, we know, 308 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: trust us, we know. Yeah. It's also it's just funny. 309 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: It's funny to me that someone's buying gold adverts and 310 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: presumably none of our listeners are buying gold and get 311 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: I have healthcare now, I mean it must be working somewhere, 312 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: like you know what, I mean, why how else would 313 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: they afford to keep advertising? I don't know, Yeah, someone's 314 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: doing something. It's like one guy if you are that 315 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: steadfast listener who buys everything we advertise, Like, thank you 316 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: so much for our We salute your dedication. So Biden 317 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: hasn't really come up with a distinctive immigration policy of 318 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: his own yet. Mostly he's just kind of failed to 319 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: undo the damage Trump has. Don't created a two tia 320 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: system which white Ukrainians get to slip the line well 321 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: back and brown migrants wait terrible conditions, And for some reason, 322 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: he's gone as hard as fuck as he can to 323 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: stop patients coming here, which the reason might be pretty 324 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: obvious to some of you. Oh and we're still building 325 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: the wall, but we're calling it a barrier now of course. 326 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's totally different, Brandy. Yeah, it doesn't have 327 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: a little plate on the top. It's a slightly different shape. 328 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: You can, like, if you scroll back far enough on 329 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: my Twitter, you can find comparison pictures of the Biden 330 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: barrier and the Trump Wall. But it's like literally just 331 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: like a glow up, like like like a terrible, horrifying 332 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: glow up. Yes, yeah, the walls having it's a little 333 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: it's a freedom wall now or something. But if you 334 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: don't follow the butterfly sanctuary, it's well high value Twitter 335 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: account and sometimes stealing automatic rifles. Not stealing, I should say, 336 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: but National Guard leaving automatic rifles on her property that 337 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: she takes care of. But yeah, you can listen to 338 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: our Batterfly Sanctuary episodes for more on like the Biden barrier. 339 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: But we're more than halfway through Biden's term now, and 340 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: we're beginning to see him take aim at something resembling 341 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: a border policy on his own at the same time, 342 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: because we're more than halfway through his term, or perhaps 343 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: just because he never intended to fulfill his campaign policies 344 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: about being kind to migrants. He's trying to move towards 345 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: the center, and the center of US politics is like 346 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: somewhere to the right of Attila the hun these days. 347 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: So he's been hit pretty hard by the Republicans on immigration, 348 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: and it's worth pointing out that he's been hit pretty 349 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: hard on largely on just shit that's made up or 350 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: misunderstandings of this, the number of interactions that border patrol 351 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: has or willful or unwilful, I don't know, but many 352 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: of the critiques are in pretty bad faith. But nonetheless, 353 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: like it's been an area where they've criticized him right, 354 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: And so he's trying to move towards the quote unquote 355 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: center on that with these new policies. So he's proposed 356 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: of his administration has proposed something called a transit bans, 357 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: a transit ban, people might remember, and the initial kind 358 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: of proposal of this was made by Stephen Miller. Dude 359 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: who looks like a lollipop and also like a white nationalist. 360 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: That's a great His head is too big for his neck. 361 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: He's shiny. Yeah, yeah, that's not the only thing that's 362 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: wrong with him. So this proposal would render migrants ineligible 363 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: for US asylum if they crossed the southern border illegally 364 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: after failing to US for humanitarian refuge in another country 365 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: they travel through, such as Mexico. Right, So unless you 366 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: somehow come straight to the US, which you can't do 367 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: because you can't get on a flight to the US 368 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: without the correct travel documents, then you'd have to travel 369 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: through another country, right, And they're saying that you should 370 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: apply for asylum there. In practice, this would bar most 371 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: northern Mexican asylum seekers, unless he took advantage of one 372 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: of the programs that Biden has proposed to allow people 373 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: in Nicaragua Cuba, Haiti, and Venezuela with a US sponsor 374 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: under a humanitarian parole program where they apply from their 375 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: home country and then get to credentials to travel, so 376 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: they'd stay in Cuba or whatever. This might not be 377 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: safe for some people to do in those countries, but 378 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 1: they have a means to get here and it's metered 379 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: I think at thirty thousand a month. Those people from 380 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: those same countries enduring the same conditions if they came 381 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: here on their own and then applied to asylum, as 382 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: is their right under US law once they entered the country, right. 383 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: And it's worth noting that like most people coming in 384 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: that want to apply for asylum, so they wanted to 385 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: turn up. That might have changed a little with Title 386 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: forty two, but previously people were seeking to turn themselves 387 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: in right and say hey, I'm here to apply for asylum. 388 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: They can now be expelled under this legislation. Right, So 389 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: if they don't use this or they don't have a 390 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: US sponsor, which kind of creates you shouldn't have to 391 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: know someone in America right to come here and avail 392 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: yourself of basic human rights. Yeah, it's just it's it's 393 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: purposely like getting people out of the group that can 394 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: go in you know what I mean, Like it's excluding 395 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: people but yeah, like yeah, right, thousands of people and 396 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: this legislation now allows them for them to be for 397 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: expedited processing expulsion. Um. If people do want to apply 398 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: for asylum at the southern border, they need to use 399 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: an app which is called CBP one. It's just the 400 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: craziest thing I've heard in a while. Yeah, it is 401 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: like I'm on another point, like what what I don't know? 402 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: It is incredibly powerful, like lib brain to be like, 403 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: don't worry, We've made the app. We've got you. Like 404 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: it assumes that people have the apple. It's not available 405 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: in all the languages, so people speaking like of course 406 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: not like last time I was at the border, like 407 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: I had. I worked with a colleague who spoke a Romo. 408 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: I speak French. He's Spocasian, Creole, Spanish, Russian, Ukrainian, right 409 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: like like those of people I interviewed in an in 410 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: an afternoon. You know, there are dozens of languages, so 411 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: the app isn't available in those languages. The app is 412 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: a giant cluster. Fuck, it doesn't work. It crashes all 413 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: the time. Like you can find like like little kids, 414 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: little kids who come up from Tijuana to go to school, 415 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: who can tell you ten things that are wrong about 416 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: this app. But you can also find people who make 417 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: six figure salaries in Washington. You think is great? Right, regardless, 418 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: it's a fucking app on a fucking device that is 419 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: just like like, I don't know, I think it's just 420 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: so lazy. It's lazy and stupid. I don't like it. Yes, 421 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: it is both of those things. It assumes people have 422 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: a cell phone, which is yes, very elitist, Yes exactly. Yeah, 423 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: like it maybe your phone could get stolen being fucking 424 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: someone could book all these train game like there's a 425 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: million ware. It assumes you got fucking broadband connectivity, you know, WiFi, 426 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: all these things. It's yeah, it's just insane, Like it's 427 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: amazing how detached one can be from reality and still 428 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: be the person in charge. Yeah, what if no people 429 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: in charge? So migrants cussing the border without documents can 430 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: be subjected to expected removal of the said and the 431 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: proposed regulations indicate the migrants from Kuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela, 432 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: who generally cannot be deported due to strain relations with 433 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: the governments there would face deportation to Mexico instead, which 434 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: fucking just again makes us someone else's problem, right. A 435 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: dozen Senate Democrats called the proposed asylum restrictions unlawful and counterproductive. 436 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: They joined thousands of migrant advocates and organizations, including the 437 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: United Nations Refugee Agency, in imploring the administration to immediately 438 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: withdraw the regulation. So there's a period of public comment, 439 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: which is what's happening at the moment. Right, So he's 440 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: found a policy which no one likes, both from the 441 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: right and from the people are allowed to live with dignity. 442 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: So that's that's hard to do. Well, you're never he's 443 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: never gonna have fucking imput like I don't know what 444 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: they're like trumplicants want, but like it's some version of 445 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: machine guns on top of a wall killing little children. Yeah, 446 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: and you could just be a decent person, or you 447 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: could try and implicate fucking psychopathic Fox News people. So 448 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Mexico is already the third most popular destination for people 449 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: seeking asylum in the world after United States in Germany. 450 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: In Mexico, asylum seekers have to stay in the state 451 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: where they apply, and that's resulted in large numbers of 452 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: people being concentrated in a place like Tampatula on the 453 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: southern border with Guatemala, and that creates like an infrastructure 454 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: issue there, right, which it's also worth lick. I'm sure 455 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: people are well aware that. Like, I wonder why all 456 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: these countries have been fucking destabilized, right, I wonder if 457 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: there if there was a country which helped do that 458 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: for deca leaving their home, Like why can't they go 459 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: back home? Like? Yeah, what I mean there? Yeah, if 460 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: only the clash had written song about it for us 461 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: to understand better. So, Mexico granted sixty one percent of 462 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: asylum requests from January through November last year, compared to 463 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: forty six percent in the US. For fiscal year twenty 464 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: twenty two. There is an increase of allow of twenty 465 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: seven percent under Trump, but it's still suggested more than 466 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: half the people get sent back. Right, where the fuck 467 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: do they get sent back to? If they can't reliably 468 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: go back to their home country safely. Mexico abides by 469 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: something called the Cartagena Declaration, which promises a safe haven 470 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: to anyone's threatened by generalized violence, foreign aggression, internal conflicts, 471 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: massive violation of human rights or other circumstances which have 472 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: seriously disturbed public order. The US currently observes a narrow 473 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: definition that requires a person to have been individually targeted. 474 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: That's a distinct thing. Right for limited reasons are spelled 475 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: out in the UN Refugee Convention. But it appears that 476 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: the BIOD administration has plans to retrain DHS agents and 477 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: they're currently telling them, or they seem to be proposing 478 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: to tell them. I should say, to let migrants enter 479 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: the US to pursue protection only if they qualify under 480 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: the International Convention against Torture, which it's an absurdly high yeah, 481 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: like against torture. Wow, yeah, I thought you were going 482 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: to say after all that. Yeah, it's it's a ridiculously 483 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: high bar. Like there are very real things you could 484 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: be afraid of. Like I've spoken to people who've have 485 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: escaped like forced sex work, right, who've had members of 486 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: their family killed for it's made to their own lives. 487 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: Maybe the forced sex worker is torture, but maybe some 488 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: of those things wouldn't meet that bar. But I think 489 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: any reasonable human being, right, if you met someone in 490 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: the street and they said, hey, so you know so 491 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: and so killed my daughter and my father and my uncle. 492 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: And they said they're going to kill me. You'd say, like, 493 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: come into my house, I'll look after you. But there's 494 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: a country we're saying, fuck you, You're on your own. Yeah, 495 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: that's that's not how you be a good neighbor. And 496 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: I saw also on the inside of the administration. Recently 497 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: has reported that the bid administration is considering reviving the 498 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: practice of detaining migrant families called crossing the US Mexico 499 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: border illegally. So this is, this is the thing that 500 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: that all the people were very upset about, the normal 501 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: kids in cages thing, We're fucking doing that again as well, 502 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: I guess't. They likely won't do like separation of minders, 503 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: which which is what they did before they took the 504 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: kids away from their parents and obtained them separately, which 505 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: is just fucking like I cannot imagine. Um still just yeah, 506 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: it's just unspeakable trauma. And like just like for both 507 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: for everybody involved. I mean, like same with the wall though, 508 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: like it's just the same thing where the same thing 509 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: is happening, it's just like marketed differently. It's just like 510 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: packaged in a different way. And it's still fucking terrible. Yeah, Like, 511 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: I just I don't know what you expect these fucking 512 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: people to do, Like, and I don't know how you 513 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: how you expect someone like even if you're purely self 514 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: interested and you're just concerned about like US security and 515 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 1: like you know, making America great again or whatever, um, 516 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: like if you luck little children up, like they're going 517 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: to fucking hate you and you can't blame them, like, 518 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: it's it's inhumane. It's it's what dictators do. It's it's 519 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: fucking unfathomable. But it also like drives me, like it's 520 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: just insane to think about people that are actually there 521 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 1: in the flesh like that see people like like children 522 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: crying or something, and like just there's so much terrible 523 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: things going on and no one does there's not enough. 524 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I can't imagine doing that 525 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: at least be like, Okay, my job is this and 526 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue. I don't know. I don't like it. 527 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: I don't like it. No, I don't like it either, 528 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: Like this of all the things I've reported on and 529 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: like I've put it on some dark shit and like 530 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: being to some dangerous places et cetera. Like, nothing has 531 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: been harder for me to get over then little kids 532 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: at the border, Like I have hundreds of stories about it, 533 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: but I remember one little girl. This shit makes me 534 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: want to cry. I remember it's one little girl whom 535 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: she had left her teddy bear behind. She wanted a 536 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: teddy bear. And like this, little girls are cleaving in 537 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: a fucking tent. Right. This is in twenty eighteen, when 538 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: when like the mid terms were happening. So they were 539 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: holding a large group of people right next to the border, 540 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: right they were staying in a baseball stadium, and myself 541 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: and some friends had gone to help. And this little 542 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: girl was just like the sweetest little kid. Like she 543 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: came out, she was holding my hand, and then I 544 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: asked if she wanted to go on my shoulders. She 545 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: wanted to go on my shoulders, you know. And at 546 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: this point, the way that they were getting people to 547 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: leave that area and go to another area was by 548 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: cutting off their access to water. Oh my god, they 549 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: wanted so like we were able to get some water, 550 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: and we were able to give them as much water 551 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: as we could buy on our credit cards. And I 552 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: asked her what she wanted, and she said she had 553 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: to leave her teddy bear behind, and it just fucking 554 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: broke my heart, like without like you know, going into 555 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: too much personal trauma. Details like that shit kept me 556 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: from sleeping for weeks, and I found it so hard 557 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: to come back it us like twenty eighteen, around November, 558 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: I guess and like go to like a remember someone's 559 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: having some Thanksgiving thing and just I just wanted to 560 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: fucking shout at everyone and be like, what the fuck 561 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Anyway, So I went and bought her. 562 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: It's especially from a from a child, you know, like 563 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: their their experience, in their perspective is just like just 564 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, you see how rad is Yeah, Like 565 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. Children shouldn't be treated about that, forced 566 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: up like we shouldn't be standing in the parking lot 567 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: of a fucking Tommy Hill Figure discount store in San 568 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: Diego launching tear gas at little children in Mexico. It's 569 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: one of the like the images of like what America 570 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: does to people that will stick with me forever. It's yeah, yeah, 571 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad you were down there helping though, Like especially again, 572 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: according their access off to water is like the most 573 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: like one of the most inhumane things, but then against 574 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: all very inhumane Yeah, and that time was difficult for 575 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: everyone involved. That was also one of the most impressive. 576 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: This is one of the times when large NGOs weren't 577 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: allowed to operate because of various concerns and legal things. 578 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: So the entirety of the aid effort for those people 579 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: was done through mutual aid, right through completely ad hoc mechanisms. 580 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: That were church people, people from various migrant advocacy groups 581 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: in San Diego, people from my love to Alado, who 582 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: we've spoken to on the podcast. That's how I met 583 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: them for the first time. Number of those people actually 584 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: were surveiled by border patrol, as we found out two 585 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: years later, and had warrants on them, etc. But everyone 586 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: who came came like not because it was a job, 587 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: because it was the right thing to do, and like 588 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: there wasn't a day I was down there then there 589 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: weren't people turning up with trucks full of stuff. This 590 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: is my friend and I. Someone managed to get us 591 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: a projector from their workplace. And know how they got 592 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: a projector from their workplace, I don't care, and a 593 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: bunch of DVDs. My friend used to be an electrician 594 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: and they moved everyone to a nightclub. It was a 595 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: nightclub and another part of Tijuana at our old nightclub 596 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: Old and massive thousands of people were in this big 597 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: kind of open at nightclub situation. It was very strange. 598 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: They had the women and the young children in one 599 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: area that like very clearly had been a pole dance 600 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: room like anyway, and they had like these bars that 601 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: were like, you know, like a balcony area. So we 602 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: went up to the balcony area and then me and 603 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: a couple of these older kids who with the migrant 604 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: group were able to get climb across the room, find 605 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: some wires connected projector and do a little a little 606 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: movie theater for the children. And they remember they were 607 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: watching like Beverly Hills Chihuahua Sweet when I left, And yeah, 608 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: they were having like just little gestures are so important though, 609 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean, it doesn't fucking fix anything, but 610 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: if they can have two hours of watching a film 611 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: about a dog or whatever like not that that yeah exactly. Yeah, 612 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: yeah they deserve that, and they deserve a lot more 613 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: than that. But yeah, it was those little nice things 614 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: that made it bearable, I guess. But yeah, there was 615 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: I still have like fairly disturbing recollections of lots of 616 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: things asking on the border. So let's just do a 617 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: quote from Joe Biden, because we do do love a 618 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: bit of Joe Biden. My message is this, if you're 619 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: trying to leave cool By, nickar Owaga or Haiti have 620 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: agreed to begin a journey to America, do not do 621 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: not Just shut up at the border, stay where you 622 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 1: are and apply legally starting today. If you don't apply 623 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: through the legal process, you will not be eligible for 624 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: this new parole program. Anyway. Joe By can go fuck himself. 625 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: But I think that I hope, I hope that obviously 626 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: lots of little anecdotes of help, but we shouldn't see 627 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: these people as statistics or numbers, and we should see 628 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 1: them as people. So I've got a couple of interviews 629 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: that I've done and needs to just one as I 630 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: went back to some notes and found so I was 631 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: just going to read them out. So I won't give 632 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: their names just for their own security. And but sometimes 633 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: I've used pseudonyms on the publicies. Sometimes I have used 634 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: their names when they're willing to use their names, like 635 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: it's it's their choice, right It should always be their choice. 636 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: If you're a fucking reporter and you're filming children without 637 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: their consent or their parents concent you camp just a 638 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: spectacle for your story. Yeah, exactly. You can jog on 639 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: and I hope someone throws your camera in a river, 640 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: so he's one. I have three daughters, age thirteen, ten 641 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: and six. I've always had my own business selling food, 642 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: and I paid what we would call extortion money, but 643 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: with the pandemic, I couldn't pay welly over three or 644 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: four months. They said that I didn't pay, they would 645 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: burn down my shop and me and my daughters would 646 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: be raped and killed. With what little I had left, 647 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: I left with my daughters. It's hard to get work here. 648 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: That's an immigrant. There are some jobs, but not the 649 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: sort that are for me. I have to try and 650 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: be an example to my kids. One day I was 651 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: juggling by the traffic lights and some guys tried to 652 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: pick me up. They said they knew where I lived 653 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: and they would hurt me and my daughters, who didn't 654 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: work for them. They made me work in a bar. 655 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: I escaped, but that's how I broke my hand. I 656 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: didn't want to go to the US, but I need 657 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: to leave this country now for the same reason I 658 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: left my own. Then I'll read one more. We came 659 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: from Mondoras to flee the violence. We have come to 660 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: this camp in the last few days, but it's scary here. 661 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: We don't feel safe. There are people coming or taking 662 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: photos of children of the women. Men off for the 663 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: women here money to go with them. They tried to 664 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: get them to sleep with them. There's a woman here 665 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: filming us as well. We found actually a big activist 666 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump. This was in twenty twenty one. Some 667 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: people came to snatch a child here. Between the group, 668 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: we're working to make a security committee to protect the 669 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: children because there are people who would take the children here. 670 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: We aren't a caravan. We're just people from all over 671 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: the world who have come here for a better future. 672 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: We're asking Biden. We know it's complicated and he has 673 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: a lot to sort out, and we have patience. We 674 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: know he has to make compromises, but please think of 675 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: us here. We are in danger. Please give us a solution. 676 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: It's sucking, heartbreaking, Yeah, it is heartbreaking. Shit. I wish 677 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: there was like some kind of happy ending I can 678 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: put on this or I don't know there are great 679 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: things you can do with mutual a groups. There's a 680 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: group that I'm hoping to interview next week called Borderland's 681 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: Relief Collective in San Diego, who do kind of a 682 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: lot to help people crossing the border. There are groups 683 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: like Altro Lalo you can donate to. The public. Comment 684 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: is still available for the Biden to propose new restrictions, 685 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: so I guess you can come out on that if 686 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: you think that will help help. I guess this is 687 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: an area sometimes we're talking to politicians my help, because 688 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: they make the laws that that affects people's right to 689 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: kind of live with basic dignity. But yeah, I don't 690 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: have a great solution to this, especially like if people 691 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: aren't in a place where they know people here are 692 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: struggling to get by. I understand that not everyone can 693 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: afford to donate, of course. Yeah, but yeah, this is 694 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: pretty bleak. And just because it's not like being beamed 695 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: into your living rooms anymore because Orange Man bad doesn't 696 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: mean that it's still not impossibly cruel. Yeah, it's I mean, 697 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: just because another old guy took over, it doesn't mean 698 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: like the same things were already there. It's not like 699 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: they just poofed into thin air, like all the terrible 700 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: things that were already happening. That's what I don't understand 701 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: is like people just assume. I don't know what they assume. 702 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to ramble on like that, but it's 703 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: heartbreaking and you should donate if you can. Yeah, yeah, donate, 704 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: Do you stuff, shout at people and do whatever you 705 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: think we'll make a difference because it's pretty bad. It 706 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 707 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 708 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the 709 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 710 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: You can find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated 711 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: monthly at cool zonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.