WEBVTT - Caddy Clubhouse 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:03.559 It's the Son of a Butch podcast on your host 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.880 Claude Harmon. This week we've got three caddies on and 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.920 they've got a new venture that they're trying to get 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.959 out listen. I love talking to caddies about the game. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:16.400 I think they probably have the best view of what's 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.840 happening on the golf course other than players. And on 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.840 the pod, I've tried to get as many caddies as 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.639 I can because I think they're they're they're insight and 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.120 the way they see the game is invaluable. We've got 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.800 three of the best this week, Jonathan Smart, Chris Rice 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.680 and Adam Morrow. Jonathan Smarty, you caddy currently for Cameron Chung, 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.320 Ghali ricey U caddy four, Harold Barner the third which 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.400 I mean we could do an entire podcast and looks 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.920 like caddy in for that clown. And then Adam you 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.880 caddy for Thomas Peters. Guys, all of you are based 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.000 in the UK. You all came to caddying in very 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.040 different ways. And Smarty, when we were talking last week 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:57.280 in Dallas about this new idea, this caddy clubhouse that 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.480 you guys have started to become a caddie, I get 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.240 people asking me all the time how do I become 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.360 a caddy on tour? And I always say the same thing, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.440 And we talked about this. You almost have to get 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.679 lucky to get asked to be on on tour to caddy, 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.640 how did you Smarty get started? And when did you start? Yeah? 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.280 Exactly exactly that, really I was. I was looking for 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:24.440 that luckie break. And you know, I played kind of professionally, 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.000 you know, did the mini tour thing turn pro for 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.280 a few years, got stuck, was falling out of lover 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.039 the game, and kind of I was lucky in a 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.039 sense I was good friends with Danny Willett and other 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.240 guys that I'd grown up with through Amit a golf 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.160 who made it onto tour. And I always say I 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.440 got lucky in the sense that I was quite realistic 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.240 and thinking, do you know what, I'm probably not good 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.400 enough to make it. But I was like, I want 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.639 to stay in this game, so caddy in was my option. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.200 So I was like, right, I'm going to Caddy, thinking, well, 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.680 I've played to a good standard. This shouldn't be hard, like, 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.200 you know, I should be able to find this pretty easy. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.120 And also speaking to Ann and went to a couple 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.240 of events with him and stuff like that. Just no breakthroughs, 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.040 and I wasn't meeting people to kind of you know, 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.440 everyone had caddies or whatever. It seemed like, kept researching 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.880 it online out of getting to caddying. Nothing came up. Anyway, 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:20.040 Lucky and introduced me to writing back in Manchester years 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.680 and years ago, and anyway, we stayed in touch. One day, 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.560 I got a call on a Monday, I think it 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.359 was and Rice. He said, you know, I know you've 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.240 been looking at caddy and stuff. I think I've got 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.160 your job. I was like perfect. I was like, you know, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.000 let me know what it is and you know what 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:35.840 I need to do. He's like, well, you'd need to 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.960 leave tomorrow. It's going to Italy and it's caddying for 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:42.440 Brandon Grace on Challenge Tour. I was like perfect, So yeah, 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.120 that's and then that was that was me really. I 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.520 flew out the next morning. Supposed to be like a 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.960 week or two trial and as we all are, we're 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.680 always on trial, I guess, and yeah. 0:02:53.040 --> 0:03:00.160 I said, we're still we're still on trial. I have 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.520 my uncle Billy on the pod, and my uncle Billy 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:07.119 caddied for thirty years on the PJ Tour for Jay Hass. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.760 Bill Hass is named after my uncle Billy. My uncle 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.840 Billy has a son named after Jay Hass. I asked 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.880 Billy on the pod, what's it take to be a 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.320 great caddy? He said, find a great player, great player. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.920 That stuck with me he said the same thing, he said, 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:27.240 good caddy, bad player, bad player, good player, bad caddy. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:33.040 Still good player, good player, good caddy, great team. Right. See, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.280 you've caddied for Americans. You've caddied you know. I mean 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.240 you were on the back for Tierrollhatton's first win, which again, 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.920 we could do an entire podcast what it's like to 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:46.800 caddy for that lunatic right See? How did you get started? Though? Yeah? 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.840 I mean I was similar to Smatty. I was like 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.720 giving it a go. Thought I was good at golf, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.920 sort of got down the plus two fucking I mean 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.160 it was back in two thousand and six. I never 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.200 really grew up playing golf, to be honest. I played 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.400 a lot of football when I was young, Guys, I didn't. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.000 I took up the game late, so I was sort 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.600 of newcomer to the game. I got down to plus 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.040 two plus three pretty quick. In the space of a 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.480 couple of years. So I thought I'd just give it 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.480 a go. I was like working in a pro shop 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:19.279 at the time and I was doing taking taking crap 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.200 off all the blogo members like so, but yeah, I 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:24.720 just thought I'm going to give it a go full 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.800 time for a year and see how we get on. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.320 So I was playing sort of British amateur, English amateur, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.200 and I think when you when you're playing them events, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.320 you really see the standard of golf that these guys 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.159 can play. It's really eye opening. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:38.839 And I'll be honest. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.200 And then I missed. I mean I played or I 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.080 didn't play great. I sort of missed a couple of 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.080 events at the end of the year. And I was 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.920 good friends with Dave Horsey at the time, who again 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.000 was off plus five. He'd won a few big events, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.000 and yeah, then I missed the court and he made 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:55.720 it and he was like, hey, if you're sticking around, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.240 your fancy caddying for me. So it was never in 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.479 my mind that I ever wanted to caddy, never even 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:01.479 thought of it as a job. 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.120 So I saw carried a couple of. 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.760 Weekends and yeah, he's done all right, got to I 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.600 think he got to the Semis of the English Amateur 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.440 and then like after them a couple of events, he's like, hey, 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.840 I've just been selected to play in the Walker Cup. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.760 Uh you know, obviously great Britain and ALAM do the 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.400 USA at Royal County Down Now. I mean it was 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.159 probably one of the strongest American teams of all time. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:28.320 It was Dustin Johnson and Web Simpson. What's his name, 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:37.800 Billy Trip, Keeney, Kyle Stanley. So yeah, we played and 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.919 he got three three out of four points. It was 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.120 it was a great week and I was like, oh, 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.640 I could actually, I could actually take up this caddy 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.279 and Mark it's pretty easy. I mean it's not, obviously 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.279 it's not. But then he was going to tour school. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.279 He was going to European Tour School. A week after 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.640 he obviously went to Saint and Old Links like the 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.960 day after he'd finished Walker Cup. He managed to win 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.680 fair stage, got through the second age. He missed at 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.240 second stage. He was signed with Chubby Chandler at the time, 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.960 who obviously, back back in them days he had all 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.400 the top players West with Clark Rory. So he got 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.080 a couple of invites onto Challenge Tour. He's like, Hey, 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.640 like you fancy your fancy come and come and doing 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.279 a couple of events. So I was like, yeah, great, 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.080 got a couple of invites, got all status for the 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.440 next year, and then he's like you want to come Caddy, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.799 So I'm like, yeah, perfect, better than selling Mars bars 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.000 making one hundred and fifty quid a week at the time. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:30.920 So yeah, So went and Caddy the full year on 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.720 Challenge Store and he won twice, won the Order of Maria, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.800 got us talk out on the European Tour and that 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.679 was it been carrying since two thousand and seven. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.320 Adam, did I read that you started? Did you start 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.520 carrying at queen Wood's that's right, Claud Yeah, that was 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.359 where they throw Overgan so for Yeah. So for people 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.520 that don't know, queen Wood was kind of like the 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:56.600 first ultra exclusive americanized private club outside of London, right, 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.880 I mean, obviously there's great clubs went Worth what he 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.039 sunning down, they're kind of more in the in the UK, 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.600 mold lots of rules, lots of old kind of UK 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.440 type golf. Queen Wood was started what was the guy's named, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.640 the American guy, Fred Green? Fred Green. Yeah, so there's 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.160 a lot of. I mean at my club, the Floridian, 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.160 We've got fifteen guys that are remembers at Queen So 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.560 the Queen we was kind of like the first kind 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:28.000 of ego americanized club. So you started chattying there, did 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:28.960 you play, Adam? 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.840 Growing up to my story as you ask, so, I 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.920 always had desires to play, But I was one of 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:37.840 these people at a very young age. Maybe I was 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.600 a bit mature for my years. I realized I wasn't 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.720 going to make it as a golfer. The pro shop 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.080 didn't appeal to me, teaching didn't really appeal to me. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.600 So I didn't really know what I was doing in 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.840 my life. And it was June two thousand and one, 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.240 this creation of Queen was being built. I was a 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:00.760 Keen golfer, single figure handicap or whatever, and me being 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.360 a teenager, I thought, oh, would be a good idea 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.920 to kind of trespass on Queenwood while it's being built 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.480 with my putter and experience putting on some real American 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.040 style greens. So I went over there with me and 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.800 my buddy went over there. We must have got away 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.200 with putting for about twenty minutes before a golf cart 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.840 came out and we got basically thrown off for trespassing. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.960 But as we got thrown off for trespassing, the guy 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.320 was like, look, you know our opening weekend is in October. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.080 This is back in oh one. So he said, our 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:32.319 opening weekend is in October. We're desperate for caddies. We've 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.480 got all these members, we've got no caddies. Do you 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.560 want to come and caddy in the opening weekend? And 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.280 for me caddy and I've cadded maybe for my coach 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.600 and my golf club. I might have done around at 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.079 sing now when I was a kid, possibly. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.480 But I'd never really cadded to any I didn't even 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.720 know what caddy in really was, and sure enough I 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.720 turned up an opening weekend. I cadded for a nice couple. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.320 Probably did an awful job because I had no idea 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.840 what I was doing, and I learn on the job. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.320 Lord so Queen would actually close and I opened it 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.440 for the weekend in October and then actually closed down 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:06.760 for six months, didn't open up. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:07.439 The following spring. 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.000 So I then spent four years cadine a queen would 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:12.480 learn learning how the club caddy. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:17.800 What would you say, guys, is the difference between club 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.720 caddying and the job that you have a smarty. You've 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.640 been on the you're on the back when Danny Willett 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:27.320 won the Masters, so you know what that situation's like. Adam. 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.920 You know Thomas Peters, I mean, I like a lot 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.520 of people are surprised he doesn't win more. You've caddied 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.920 for him in the Olympics, You've caddied in Ryder Cups race, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.480 you've cauted for Harold. You guys have won big tournaments. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:44.040 What's the difference between being a caddy at a club 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:49.000 and then being a caddy on tour Because we always 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.280 say as instructors, it shouldn't be any different, right, the 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.520 golf that you play on the weekend with your mates. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.080 I mean the courses maybe set up a little bit differently. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.800 But a time, you know, a young kid gets into 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.520 a big tournament on tour or something, I always say 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.440 on the same thing, it's just golf, right, and the 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.840 golf that you're going to play at home is the 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.040 same golf that you're going to play in a professional tournament. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.560 The difference is there there's more money, there's going to 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.360 be more people. The golf course might be set up differently, 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.720 but at the end of the day, guys, the game 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:26.360 is no different. So chattying at a club, caddying for 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.960 your mates and stuff. What's the difference that you guys 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.560 think between that and caddying on tour. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:44.040 I'd say Adams probably. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.120 Well, I mean, I mean, essentially, yeah, the job, the 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.280 job is the same, but the thing with the club 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.200 caddying is, I mean you'll carry in every day. In fact, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.559 I'm not even every day. You could be doing every round. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.760 It's a different person, a different capability, a different standard. 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.880 So you have to get to know their game within minutes. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.880 You know, it could be anybody. It could be a 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.000 plus five handicap, it could be someone who's playing golf 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.160 for the first time. So the difference between a club 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.920 caddy and talk caddie is probably just that ability to adapt, 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.920 is to adapt to that new scenario that you surrounded. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.800 And it's definitely a lot more heavily service based, you know, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.120 it's more of a concierge. That's how the skill set 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:24.920 would differ. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.079 Definitely, yeah, I mean, and I think that there is 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.160 a job right from being a caddy at a club. 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:35.720 So the idea behind this new concept guy's caddy Clubhouse. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.520 Is it as simple as that. How does somebody who 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.400 is caddying at a club that enjoys doing that, that 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.480 is using that as their job l club in Florida, 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:51.120 at the Floridian we're open from mid October until mid May. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.960 So we've got a group of caddies that caddy at 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.520 the club for six to eight months and then they're 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.840 going somewhere else. Right. But the jump from saying Okay, 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:06.480 I love caddying, I really want to continue to do this. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.840 I would like to take this to the next level. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.400 As we said in the opening, guys, there's no way 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.199 to do that. And it's a little bit like being 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.600 a golf instructor, right. People always ask me all the time, 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.480 how do you work with tour players? You have to 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.800 be in the right place at the right time and 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.520 get asked, right. And I think what you guys are 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.200 trying to do with Caddy Clubhouse is say, Okay, can 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.559 we maybe formalize this in a way to where if 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.319 you want to continue to be a caddy you don't 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.480 have to just hopefully have a mate that's going to 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.880 try and play the challenge door or play the web 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.280 or the corn ferry or whatever. It is, and because 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.840 that's what happens. Right, you meet somebody, you go out. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.839 If you don't have any success, they're not going to 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.240 keep you as a caddie. Right, the job is over 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.520 unless you, guys go out and play well. So so 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.920 many people are like yourself, right, go out, you get 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.520 a break, guy says, hey, want to take you with me. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.200 I'm going to go try and play qualify for something. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.120 They qualify, they have success, and they say, okay, do 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.200 you want to keep doing it? Because that's the only way, 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.560 or to go to the Austin Johnson route, which is 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.600 to have a brother who is one of the best 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.920 players in the world and he wants you to come 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.920 and carry the bag for him. So was the idea 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.480 guys to say, listen, let's find a way to give 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:33.760 people that want to caddy at an elite level a forum, 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.480 a place to go in, a place to learn their craft. Yeah. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.800 I think it's exactly what you said Claude at the beginning. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.560 You know how many messages do you get saying how 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.600 do I get into caddying? And that's what that's what 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.920 we get all the time. And you ask all the 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.959 other caddies, they're all getting messages I want to get 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.000 into Caddy and what do I do? And at what 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:53.679 point are we just going to sit here and say 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.080 the same thing. Well, you need a bit of a break, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.000 but try and get a better experience and do this 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.880 and do that, and you know what, like tool life like, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.800 to get in the inner circle is really hard. Once 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.760 you're in, you can you're okay, But like getting in. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.720 Yeah, no, I mean I say this all the time. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.920 Tour players they are I say this. My wife always 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.199 laughs at me when I say that. They're like dogs, right, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.360 they communicate nonverbally when they don't know you, They kind 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.880 of snip around, they bark at things they haven't seen before. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.240 But you're right, you get out on tour, you have 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:31.240 some success. Those relationships, as we all know, are never permanent. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.160 You know, there are no lifetime contracts in the Caddian 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.400 world or the coaches world. But because you're on tour, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.360 people see you, they're in the same group with you. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.320 So you guys will get jobs based off of players 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.600 going hey, I've been out with you before, kind of 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.480 like the way you do things. I'm going to make 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.560 a switch. I heard you're in between jobs. But other 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:57.240 than being in that situation. Historically, there is no professional 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.040 an instruction. Go to the PGA of America and learn 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.040 to be you know, work at a shop, learn to 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.080 be an instructor, learn to club repair and all of that. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.320 But there's no formal organization that teaches people how to caddy. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.880 In the US, they have the PGM program, which is 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.960 Professional Golf Management. There's specific colleges that you can go 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.600 to and basically you're getting a degree in becoming a 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.800 golf pro. And every year at the PJ Merchandise Show 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.800 you see these young kids walking around in the PGM uniform, 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.320 you know, khakis they bought out a Walmart that are 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.440 four sizes too big. But there has never been a 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:38.400 place for caddies. So how are you guys going to 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.640 go about teaching people how to caddy? 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.880 Yes, I mean the Star is just going to be 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.960 online courses. So there's two online courses because, like you say, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.000 as hard as it is to get on tool, you know, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.840 to get in your club exact for example, like the Fluidi, 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.600 and you still got to kind of maybe know someone 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.880 just to go and clip cudding. So there's going to 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.280 be that course as well. So this we want to 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.520 you know as we've all got different always how we 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.880 got into it, and when Adam came on board, we 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.480 realized that there's two roles here in caddy and there's 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.560 tour caddying and there's club caddy in so we provided 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.480 two like really in depth courses. The idea behind the 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.400 tour one is you skip all the mistakes we made 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.720 early on because you know that reputation. You know if 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.880 you mess up on those first couple of weeks, you 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.520 might get the sack and you might never get another chance. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.920 So hopefully we get those foundations in place for you 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.200 and we go through and all the material is all 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.840 the stuff we've learned over the years, and we've learned 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.040 from other caddiers and other people in and around golf, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.560 so we've provided all that. But I think the big 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.960 thing as well after that is once you've completed the course, 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.360 you'll be part of a community, so an online community. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.120 You'll create your own profile, and on that community you'll 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.160 have access to agents, players and golf clubs that are 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.560 posting jobs. So when those jobs become available, you can 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.760 kind of put your CV in or profile if you like, 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.960 and apply for that job. And then from you know, 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.320 agents players and so on can start choosing maybe who 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.600 they want to speak to and so on. So just 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.320 giving you that bit of access instead of having to 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:10.240 know someone if you like. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:16.960 Yeah, because the caddy mantra historically is show up, keep up, stop. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.920 That's basically the training. Historically. It's a joke, right, it's 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.720 a joke within the caddy in fraternity, but that is 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.920 as much as you get historically. Just show up on time, 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.560 don't talk too much, and keep up. I don't think 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.280 I don't think that. I don't think that was in 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.800 my job description when I took the job for Harold Club. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.240 I'll be honest. I've tried to go in with that 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.159 moth o, but that did last too long. So, guys, 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.200 what's the hardest part? I asked my ask my uncle 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.040 about this. I always ask caddies about this. What do 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.879 you three feel like it's the hardest part about caddying 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.760 that people that look at what you guys do on 0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:01.800 TV that they would be surprised at. That's a good question. Yeah, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:03.920 you know, you go ahead. 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.040 I just think it's being able to adapt in certain situations. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.320 And I, like you say, like no one went to 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.200 say things at the right time. And no one when 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.240 to when to sort of when you say shut be 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.640 quiet basically because obviously that again, like Adam said, it's 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.600 we know the guys that we carry. For when you 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.080 club caddy and you knowing them for like five ten minutes, 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.119 you're having to sort of think of stuff on the spot. 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.600 But I think when, like for the guys that we 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.080 work with full time, it's like we get to know them, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.479 like we know when when they want advice, when they 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.240 don't want advice, when to say something in certain situations. 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.640 And again when when it comes to dancer situations where 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.560 you're in contention for a tournament, sort of being able 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.879 to understand the games, when to rain. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.080 Them in, when them when to allow them to go 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:48.560 for things. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.040 So like as you said before, we can be as 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.359 good at caddy as you want, but your player needs 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.160 to You've got to ride a good horse. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.800 Adam, your digees. I mean so in the course, right, 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.840 I mean to me the things that for someone that's 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.359 never caddied before, you need to be organized, right, I 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.679 think organizational skills are something that in my opinion, you know, 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.439 I've been been on tour basically my entire life, you know, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:18.040 through watching my grandfather, my dad, all my uncles. I 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:19.960 was on tour when my dad was playing the tour. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:25.680 I think the good ones are organized, they are they're 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.720 fearless at times. Yeah, I think you have to be 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.760 fearless to have the job that you guys have because 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.959 the player picks up on it, right, Just like in 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.240 my world coaching, if a player is hitting it bad 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:44.439 and I panic, then the player panics. But yardages, the 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:49.440 numbers and all of the things that go into caddying 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:54.040 on tour, that's somewhat, Adam, kind of a baptism by fire, 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:58.560 because a tour yardage book, for everybody that's never seen one, 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.920 looks like an algebra text. Right. There are a lot 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.240 of numbers, there are a lot of nuancewers to the 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.320 yardage book. So, Adam, when for everyone listening the yardage 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:14.919 book is doing, what and what information do you feel 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.760 as a caddy is the important information that you're trying 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.359 to fall out of a yardage book. Yeah? So I 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:23.360 love what you're saying there. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.000 So the keyword that you kind of not missed, but 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:27.919 the keyword that the narrative of what we try and 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.480 push early on in the course is the word preparation. Now, 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.720 preparation is kind of is where we're going. Really here 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:36.840