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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast on your host

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. This week we've got three caddies on and

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Speaker 1: they've got a new venture that they're trying to get

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Speaker 1: out listen. I love talking to caddies about the game.

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Speaker 1: I think they probably have the best view of what's

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Speaker 1: happening on the golf course other than players. And on

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Speaker 1: the pod, I've tried to get as many caddies as

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Speaker 1: I can because I think they're they're they're insight and

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Speaker 1: the way they see the game is invaluable. We've got

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Speaker 1: three of the best this week, Jonathan Smart, Chris Rice

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Speaker 1: and Adam Morrow. Jonathan Smarty, you caddy currently for Cameron Chung,

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Speaker 1: Ghali ricey U caddy four, Harold Barner the third which

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Speaker 1: I mean we could do an entire podcast and looks

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Speaker 1: like caddy in for that clown. And then Adam you

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Speaker 1: caddy for Thomas Peters. Guys, all of you are based

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Speaker 1: in the UK. You all came to caddying in very

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Speaker 1: different ways. And Smarty, when we were talking last week

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Speaker 1: in Dallas about this new idea, this caddy clubhouse that

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Speaker 1: you guys have started to become a caddie, I get

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Speaker 1: people asking me all the time how do I become

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Speaker 1: a caddy on tour? And I always say the same thing,

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Speaker 1: And we talked about this. You almost have to get

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Speaker 1: lucky to get asked to be on on tour to caddy,

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Speaker 1: how did you Smarty get started? And when did you start? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly that, really I was. I was looking for

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Speaker 2: that luckie break. And you know, I played kind of professionally,

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Speaker 2: a few years, got stuck, was falling out of lover

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Speaker 2: the game, and kind of I was lucky in a

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Speaker 2: sense I was good friends with Danny Willett and other

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Speaker 2: guys that I'd grown up with through Amit a golf

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Speaker 2: who made it onto tour. And I always say I

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Speaker 2: got lucky in the sense that I was quite realistic

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Speaker 2: and thinking, do you know what, I'm probably not good

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Speaker 2: enough to make it. But I was like, I want

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Speaker 2: to stay in this game, so caddy in was my option.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, right, I'm going to Caddy, thinking, well,

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Speaker 2: I've played to a good standard. This shouldn't be hard, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I should be able to find this pretty easy.

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Speaker 2: And also speaking to Ann and went to a couple

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Speaker 2: of events with him and stuff like that. Just no breakthroughs,

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Speaker 2: and I wasn't meeting people to kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: everyone had caddies or whatever. It seemed like, kept researching

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Speaker 2: it online out of getting to caddying. Nothing came up. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Lucky and introduced me to writing back in Manchester years

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Speaker 2: and years ago, and anyway, we stayed in touch. One day,

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Speaker 2: I got a call on a Monday, I think it

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Speaker 2: was and Rice. He said, you know, I know you've

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Speaker 2: been looking at caddy and stuff. I think I've got

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Speaker 2: your job. I was like perfect. I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: let me know what it is and you know what

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Speaker 2: I need to do. He's like, well, you'd need to

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Speaker 2: leave tomorrow. It's going to Italy and it's caddying for

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Speaker 2: Brandon Grace on Challenge Tour. I was like perfect, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's and then that was that was me really. I

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Speaker 2: flew out the next morning. Supposed to be like a

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Speaker 2: week or two trial and as we all are, we're

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Speaker 2: always on trial, I guess, and yeah.

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Speaker 1: I said, we're still we're still on trial. I have

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Speaker 1: my uncle Billy on the pod, and my uncle Billy

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Speaker 1: caddied for thirty years on the PJ Tour for Jay Hass.

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Speaker 1: Bill Hass is named after my uncle Billy. My uncle

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Speaker 1: Billy has a son named after Jay Hass. I asked

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Speaker 1: Billy on the pod, what's it take to be a

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Speaker 1: great caddy? He said, find a great player, great player.

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Speaker 1: That stuck with me he said the same thing, he said,

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Speaker 1: good caddy, bad player, bad player, good player, bad caddy.

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Speaker 1: Still good player, good player, good caddy, great team. Right. See,

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Speaker 1: you've caddied for Americans. You've caddied you know. I mean

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Speaker 1: you were on the back for Tierrollhatton's first win, which again,

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Speaker 1: we could do an entire podcast what it's like to

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Speaker 1: caddy for that lunatic right See? How did you get started? Though? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean I was similar to Smatty. I was like

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Speaker 3: giving it a go. Thought I was good at golf,

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Speaker 3: sort of got down the plus two fucking I mean

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Speaker 3: it was back in two thousand and six. I never

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Speaker 3: really grew up playing golf, to be honest. I played

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Speaker 3: So I was playing sort of British amateur, English amateur,

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Speaker 3: and I think when you when you're playing them events,

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Speaker 1: And I'll be honest.

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Speaker 3: And then I missed. I mean I played or I

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Speaker 3: good friends with Dave Horsey at the time, who again

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Speaker 3: it and he was like, hey, if you're sticking around,

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Speaker 3: my mind that I ever wanted to caddy, never even

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Speaker 3: thought of it as a job.

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Speaker 1: So I saw carried a couple of.

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Speaker 3: Weekends and yeah, he's done all right, got to I

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Speaker 3: think he got to the Semis of the English Amateur

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Speaker 3: and then like after them a couple of events, he's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I've just been selected to play in the Walker Cup.

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Speaker 3: Uh you know, obviously great Britain and ALAM do the

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Speaker 3: USA at Royal County Down Now. I mean it was

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Speaker 3: he got three three out of four points. It was

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Speaker 3: I could actually, I could actually take up this caddy

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Speaker 3: and Mark it's pretty easy. I mean it's not, obviously

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, yeah, perfect, better than selling Mars bars

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Speaker 3: was it been carrying since two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: Adam, did I read that you started? Did you start

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Speaker 1: carrying at queen Wood's that's right, Claud Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: where they throw Overgan so for Yeah. So for people

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Speaker 1: first ultra exclusive americanized private club outside of London, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's great clubs went Worth what he

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Speaker 1: the American guy, Fred Green? Fred Green. Yeah, so there's

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Speaker 1: you play, Adam?

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Speaker 4: Growing up to my story as you ask, so, I

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Speaker 4: always had desires to play, But I was one of

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Speaker 4: going to make it as a golfer. The pro shop

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Speaker 4: So I didn't really know what I was doing in

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Speaker 4: this creation of Queen was being built. I was a

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Speaker 4: But as we got thrown off for trespassing, the guy

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Speaker 4: got all these members, we've got no caddies. Do you

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Speaker 4: want to come and caddy in the opening weekend? And

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Speaker 4: for me caddy and I've cadded maybe for my coach

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Speaker 4: and my golf club. I might have done around at

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Speaker 1: But I'd never really cadded to any I didn't even

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Speaker 1: Probably did an awful job because I had no idea

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Speaker 4: for six months, didn't open up.

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Speaker 4: So I then spent four years cadine a queen would

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Speaker 4: learn learning how the club caddy.

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Speaker 1: What would you say, guys, is the difference between club

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Speaker 1: caddying and the job that you have a smarty. You've

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Speaker 1: been on the you're on the back when Danny Willett

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Speaker 1: won the Masters, so you know what that situation's like. Adam.

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Speaker 1: You know Thomas Peters, I mean, I like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are surprised he doesn't win more. You've caddied

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Speaker 1: for him in the Olympics, You've caddied in Ryder Cups race,

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Speaker 1: you've cauted for Harold. You guys have won big tournaments.

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Speaker 1: What's the difference between being a caddy at a club

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Speaker 1: and then being a caddy on tour Because we always

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Speaker 1: say as instructors, it shouldn't be any different, right, the

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Speaker 1: I mean the courses maybe set up a little bit differently.

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Speaker 1: But a time, you know, a young kid gets into

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Speaker 1: a big tournament on tour or something, I always say

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Speaker 1: on the same thing, it's just golf, right, and the

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Speaker 1: golf that you're going to play at home is the

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Speaker 1: same golf that you're going to play in a professional tournament.

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Speaker 1: The difference is there there's more money, there's going to

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Speaker 1: be more people. The golf course might be set up differently,

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, guys, the game

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Speaker 1: is no different. So chattying at a club, caddying for

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Speaker 1: your mates and stuff. What's the difference that you guys

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Speaker 1: think between that and caddying on tour.

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Speaker 2: I'd say Adams probably.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the caddy mantra historically is show up, keep up, stop.

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Speaker 1: that have never counted before, there are going to be

427
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Speaker 1: other numbers that you guys are trying to get. What

428
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 1: are some of those numbers that you want to have

429
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: so that when the player asks you a question, you've

430
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: got the answer? Yeah, do you want to take that? John? No,

431
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: you do it?

432
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, I was just going to say for me personally,

433
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: I mean I work for I work for quite a

434
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 4: fiery golfer. I think you wouldn't mind me saying that,

435
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 4: you know, So Part five long. Part four's, for example,

436
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 4: that position, I'm going to need a couple of numbers,

437
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 4: so I'd have a number I'd be looking for my

438
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 4: what I'd abbreviate just in case number.

439
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: So that's a number where it's.

440
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 4: Like, you know, we're hacking out of the raff, or

441
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 4: we're hacking it into a position where you know we're

442
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 4: not bringing.

443
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: You can tell everybody in the ottage box there is

444
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: the abbreviated letters which are come on. Ye, So you

445
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: see a lot of j I sees in my books.

446
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: And then of course.

447
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 4: Ideally you'll have you'll have more of an aggressive sort

448
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 4: of layup, which is, you know, if you're in the

449
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 4: semi raff, but if you've you know, if you're carrying

450
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 4: someone who's a particularly errant t shot and they're thinking

451
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Speaker 4: they're going to hit three wood through a little triangle

452
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 4: up onto the green, and you're like, there's a wedge, buddy,

453
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 4: just in case number. That's how I label it in

454
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Speaker 4: my books, and I think everybody does a similar thing,

455
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: and maybe they don't call it just in case. I

456
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 4: don't know where I picked that from Riseley.

457
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: What do you call yours? I don't know if they

458
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: still have it. But back in the day, you know,

459
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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years ago, they had the initials for just

460
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: in case. You find those initials are I mean, I'm

461
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: still seen yardage books where those are in the box.

462
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they were. Were they not the strack

463
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Speaker 4: of book? Were they not the original books with the

464
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Speaker 4: orange covers? I think it was some of that that

465
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 4: you had, like pictures of sharks and the legs and

466
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 4: stuff like that.

467
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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that was the ones. I think that's

468
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Speaker 1: where I got it from. Yeah, how do you guys manage?

469
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: I mean the worst place you can be on the

470
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Speaker 1: golf course as a caddy for an elite player is

471
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Speaker 1: they ask you a question you don't know the answer to, right,

472
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: And how much of it? Guys, do you feel like

473
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: caddying is information and opinion? And how do you how

474
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Speaker 1: do you find that balance between the player scheme for

475
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: the information and giving your opinion. I mean, do you

476
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: guys work for guys that you guys have court blanche

477
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: to give your opinion all the time, or do you

478
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: guys have players where they just say, listen, give me

479
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Speaker 1: the information. I'll make the decision myself. If I need

480
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Speaker 1: your input, I'll ask for it.

481
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Speaker 3: I think all three of us were for completely different guys,

482
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Speaker 3: which is a great Which is a great question, Claude.

483
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Speaker 3: I think we've talked about this me and Smarty before.

484
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Speaker 3: Like I work for Harold. Harold just wants me to

485
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Speaker 3: give him a club, Just give him a number to

486
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Speaker 3: let him go. Like, I'll be honest, I got the

487
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 3: best bit of advice ever from Billy Foster when I

488
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 3: first started caddying. He's like, when you're standing there, don't

489
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Speaker 3: be ever afraid to say what you're thinking. And that

490
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 3: stuck with me ever since. So, like, if I feel

491
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: like he's hitting the wrong shot, I'm going to openly

492
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 3: tell him and listen, we all make mistakes and if

493
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Speaker 3: you're wrong, you're.

494
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Speaker 1: Wrong, you hold your hands up and you move on.

495
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we all work for different guys.

496
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Speaker 3: I think Smarty and his player a little bit a

497
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: little bit different to what me and Harold are.

498
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like like exactly what Rice he says.

499
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I've worked for a range of players and

500
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: they all want different things. And I think, as we've

501
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: kind of touched on before, just being adaptable and knowing

502
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: your player, so you're going to kind of get a

503
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 2: feel for when they need extra information, when they need

504
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: things reaffirming, or when they just need to when you

505
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: just need to guard the way you know, when it's

506
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: just keep it really simple. I remember when I used

507
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: to work for Dan, Like when he used to get

508
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: in contention, it was always less information. You didn't need

509
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: to really do that much, just give him the real basics,

510
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: kept it simple, whereas like early on in the week

511
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: he'd be asking for every bit of information. So it's

512
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: just I think you just got to kind of learn,

513
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: you know, and you will over time obviously understand your player.

514
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: And I think you know on your question on when

515
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: you don't know the answer or whatever it might be,

516
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: is honesty, Like you know, sometimes you got to be

517
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: feel this in big decisions and big moments and stuff.

518
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: But you know, if there is something you're not sure about,

519
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: like the majority of players, I've word or appreciate that

520
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: honesty and just go listen. I don't know, but this

521
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: is what I think we should do or whatever that

522
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: scenario might be.

523
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the other thing that I

524
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: don't think people realizes when you're watching golf on TV.

525
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: I found this when I started doing television. When you

526
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: watch golf on TV and you're listening to the announcers

527
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: and you're listening to the announcers talk, it seems like

528
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: they've got forever to do it right. But as soon

529
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: as you go on television, you've got about thirty or

530
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: forty seconds to say something. Give what's happening for you guys.

531
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: It seems like there's a lot of time for you

532
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: guys to get the numbers, But you've got to get

533
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: down there. You've got to first of all, take a

534
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: look at the lie then kind of figure out what

535
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: the numbers are. I'm sure you can get to a

536
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: point where you can do that quite quickly. But Adam,

537
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: as you said, I mean you work for someone in

538
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: Thomas Peters to where if Thomas hits one offline with

539
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: the driver or he can hit it a long way

540
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: off line, and then you're out in kind of no

541
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: man's land trying to get Like if you work for

542
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: a player that's got speed and distance, you're going to

543
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: have times in the round where they are going to

544
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: hit an errant t shot that is a long way

545
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: and it's a long way off line, and you don't

546
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: have a tremendous amount of time. You don't have five

547
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: minutes to figure it out and go get You've got

548
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: to do this stuff very very quickly. Do you guys

549
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: feel the pressure sometimes to get the numbers fast so

550
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: that you then have time to talk about the strategy.

551
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely no. You know what, clauda something that I've

552
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 4: never really thought about it. I've always been quite like

553
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 4: call and collected with it. But since there's been a

554
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 4: lot more emphasis and scrutiny on like slow play, and

555
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: you know there's people getting fined or getting shot analis.

556
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: I've got to say.

557
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 4: The last few events, I'm like, you know, we've hit

558
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 4: an errand shot and we might might not, you know,

559
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 4: use I work for a long hit has always last

560
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: a hit, so it's never really a problem.

561
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: He's quite quick.

562
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: But we found ourselves in positions and I'm like, I

563
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 4: need to make a decision here, and yeah, I certainly.

564
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: Think it more and more with me having in mind

565
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: a bit of the slow play thing.

566
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 4: You know, you never want to obviously pain in a

567
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: position where you're going to cash a player a shot

568
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 4: or a fine or a penalty or anything like that,

569
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So it's become I think

570
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: about it more recently, just purely based on that.

571
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: Is there a difference, guys, between caddying and or what

572
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: is the difference between caddying in a regular tour event

573
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: in caddying in a major? What's the difference cadding wise?

574
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say live then.

575
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought you were going to say live. But

576
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 4: you can use ladies in the US Open, you can

577
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: use lads in the USPJ or that other way around. Well,

578
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: I mean well, clearly would you guys.

579
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: But what's the difference caddying week in, week out and

580
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: then caddying in a major.

581
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 2: I'd say condition of the course. I think you've got

582
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: to do it, generally a little bit more homework. And majors,

583
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: I think everyone's your players are always a bit more

584
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: on edge, or maybe that's not the right way, but

585
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: definitely trying harder. Whether they like it or not, they're

586
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 2: all they're all trying to win a major more than

587
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: anything else. And I think the condition of the course

588
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: always takes a little bit more homework because the pins

589
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: are going to get more touck. Generally, the rough's a

590
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: bit thicker, the fair, you know, the greens are a

591
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: bit firmer. Now you've got to look at misses that

592
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: you maybe don't have to look at what you might

593
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: get away with in a regular event. I think just

594
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: the homework side of things, I think you've really you've

595
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: got to be almost more prepared, and then being aware

596
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: of your players probably going to be under a little

597
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: bit more stress that week, so you've got to be

598
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: ready for that and kind of adjust accordingly.

599
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: If you like the harder the golf course. Obviously in majors, guys,

600
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: the test is by design. They want the test to

601
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: be harder when the course set up is tightened, like

602
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: it is in major Championship where they're tucking pins. Where

603
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: the conditions are tougher. Is the information that you're going

604
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: to give the player different when the conditions aren't as.

605
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: Tough, not necessarily like leg smartly touched on, you start

606
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: you start looking at your misses, where the best place

607
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: to miss it is, where your leaves are.

608
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: Going to be.

609
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: I think when the conditions are a little bit more gettable,

610
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: like softer conditions, you're almost you're almost giving them less

611
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: information because you can just aim at flags. When it

612
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: becomes tougher, firm of greens, you're looking at your pitching

613
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: numbers where you want to leave it, to leave you

614
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: the uphill put because obviously you can still hit it

615
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: fIF fifteen feet past it in some of these on

616
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: some of these holes, and you can't keep it on

617
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: the green. So you're obviously the conditions. The firmness of

618
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: the conditions obviously changes to when it's softer, so you

619
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: obviously guys can play more aggressive. You play more defensive.

620
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: In a lot of these majors, you're trying to make

621
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: pause in a lot of them.

622
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

623
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks are going to move a bit like backwards,

624
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: but images they're only going to move. You all not leadable,

625
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: So you've just got to be more on the ball

626
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: with where everything really.

627
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: The psychologist aspect of what you all do, right, because

628
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: in the course of a round of golf, the players

629
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: going to want you to carry the back, so you're

630
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: basically a modern day sherpa. Right, then you've got to

631
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: be a psychologist. They expect you to know where the

632
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: wind is at all times, so you've got to be

633
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: somewhat of a wind expert meteorologist. You've got to be

634
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: good with numbers. You've got to do a lot of

635
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: stuff in a very short period of time. Guys, how

636
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: do you go about building course content that is going

637
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: to kind of encumbass all of the things that I

638
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: just talked about because all of that stuff is part

639
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: of an eighteen whole round of competitive golf. Right, You're

640
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: going to have to be somewhat of a psychologist because

641
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: you don't know whether they're in a good mood or

642
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: a bad mood. Their mood sort of going to change

643
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: on the golf course. You've got to be pretty good

644
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: or pretty quick with numbers to try and get all

645
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: of the numbers and prepare them in an organized way.

646
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: You got to know where the wind is, You got

647
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: to know the course is drying out. So how did

648
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: you guys come up with the course curriculum for Caddy Clubhouse?

649
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: What did you guys put in? What did you guys

650
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: not put in? Did you guys put in some things

651
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: that you said, hey, we think this is vital to

652
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: be a good caddy.

653
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, well, if we can sit here and

654
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: talk about caddy in and go all day long, but

655
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: when someone actually to put something down on a piece

656
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: of paper on how he can design, it's a little

657
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: bit tougher. So luckily that that's why this three of

658
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: us here, Like we've brought all the things together, but

659
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: we've put a lot of the courses stuff that you're

660
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: expected to know. And I remember my first event on

661
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: challenge to her and Grace. I was working for Gracie

662
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: and he was putting the pins in his book, just

663
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: this simple little thing. And even though I played to

664
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 2: a high level, I've never done that before. So like

665
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: just tiny little things that you are just expected to

666
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: know so we've put that all together in a curriculum

667
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: in order of where we think it should come, and

668
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: we've tried to cover everything. As I said before, is

669
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: all our mistakes, if you like. So we've just kind

670
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: of worked through everything systematically. So we've got a stats

671
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: module from Duncan Carey. So obviously that's a big part

672
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: of golf now, it's something that's expected of caddies to

673
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: at least understand whether your player uses them or not.

674
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: There's all different sorts of modules that we've put together.

675
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: But then obviously when we get out to caddying, as

676
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: you've touched on, when it's talking about decision making and

677
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: things like that, that's all you learning through experiences. So

678
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 2: we've tried to give you all the factual stuff if

679
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: you like, and the stuff to kind of skip six

680
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: months or a year's worth of experience and learning and

681
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: giving you all our information on maybe how you're going

682
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: to skip through that process.

683
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: You said that part of the impetus behind this is

684
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: to kind of jump start and have people that want

685
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: to take the courses learn from your mistakes. But the

686
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: obvious question, guys, for the three of you is what

687
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: what were some important mistakes you made caddying that helped

688
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: you get to that next level to where you guys

689
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: are where you are today.

690
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: I got along, I got a long list of mistakes

691
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: I can get away where because every guy that I've

692
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: worked for has never carried the ottage book, so the

693
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 3: emphasis has always been on me, me getting it right.

694
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a little things like obviously getting

695
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: the wind direction wrong which makes you guys fly agreen

696
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: or leave short of agree.

697
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: And it's just it's because obviously that's got to be

698
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: your fault, right because the player is not going to

699
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: take any responsibility for that.

700
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's either short, so long as the caddie's fault,

701
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: it's left or right your fault, claude, So.

702
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: Exactly we get that out of the way, all that

703
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: you finish the other way. That was brilliant. So my

704
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: dad was commentating on Sky Sports British TV at the

705
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: at the Players Championship TPC. So the seventeenth pole obviously

706
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: island green, and I can't remember the player, but this

707
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: player is. It's when they put the pin on on

708
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: the island green, they kind of put it up on

709
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: that top back right show, So not the one not

710
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: the Sunday front one, but the one where they put

711
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: it kind of middle ish top and then everybody when

712
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: they miss it, they're they're not coming up short, they're

713
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: hitting it, they're posing on it. So this player's posing

714
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: on it and it goes over the flag. It's like

715
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: two yards too far, goes in the water. So the

716
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: players walk into the drop zone and he is just

717
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: going through to caddy right. It's got the finger pointing,

718
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: and my dad live on air, says, this is everything

719
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: you need to know about being a professional golfer. Longer

720
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: short is always going to be the caddy's fault. Left

721
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: to right is going to be the coach's fault. Body hurts.

722
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: You can blame that on the trainer or the physio,

723
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: go up in a bad mood, wife, or golfin's fault

724
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: or both, but never the player. And my dad said

725
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: it live on air, and that is basically that is

726
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: tour player one oh one. It's never going to be

727
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: their fault. We joke about that, guys, but that is

728
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: part of the job, right It's the part of the

729
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: job that I've got as an instructor. It's definitely part

730
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: of the job that you guys, have. Part of being

731
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: a caddy is you got to thick skin because you're

732
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: gonna get blamed for some stuff. You're My uncle Billy,

733
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: when I had him on my putty, said name me

734
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: another job to where he said this happens. And you

735
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: guys have seen this, It's happened probably to you guys

736
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: as well. You can be right as a caddy for

737
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: seventy one holes, right for four days and the last

738
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: hole you could give one bad number and it cost

739
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: the player of the tournament, and you can lose your

740
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: job almost instantaneously. And my uncle Billy said, name me

741
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: another job where you are ninety five percent right and

742
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get fired for one thing that you got wrong.

743
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: It's like there's no other job in the world where

744
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: that happens. How do you deal with And we all

745
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: get it, we get it as coaches, but you guys

746
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: get it more than anybody. The dynamic on the golf

747
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: course where you you know that you made a mistake,

748
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: he's hit one in the water, he's made double. Maybe

749
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: it was you. He was in between clubs. You wanted

750
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: them to hit one club or you didn't hit the other.

751
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: But you know that you're going to get it right,

752
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: and you know you're going to get yelled at. You

753
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: know you're going to get screamed at. How do you

754
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: deal with it? Yeah, it's probably the best.

755
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I don't snap clubs if I didn't make

756
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: them take the course. I tend to deal with it

757
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 4: slightly more, you know, than a slightly calmer manner. But yeah,

758
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 4: it's just claud it. It's like the secret source. That

759
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: just one of the things you know, experience. You know,

760
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: for the first time you make a mistake as a

761
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: professional caddy, it's like the world has ended. I mean,

762
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: you know that you just want the ground to sallow

763
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: you up and you want it all to be over.

764
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: But then you start to realize as you mature as

765
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: a caddyers and human being, people make mistakes. It's going

766
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: to happen. I make mistakes, We all make mistakes. Anybody

767
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: who takes the course will make mistakes, and it's just

768
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: accepting that, and it's just learning how to handle that

769
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: and come back from that. The best manner not to

770
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 4: get flustered by it, to stay calm. If you've made

771
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 4: a mistake, own it, don't you know.

772
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: Honesty.

773
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: When we touched on earlier, on quite cliche at times

774
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, but it's just it's very much so

775
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: you just got to stay in the moment, remain very calm,

776
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 4: collect your thoughts, and just concentrate on what you're doing

777
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: next and just make sure you deliver some good information

778
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: for the remainder of the round.

779
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it is tough guys early on in

780
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: your career where you have that situation, it's a new

781
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: relationship you don't have, you know, five ten years of

782
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: experience you know of doing it. It must be quite

783
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: daunting to have that an experience where you know that

784
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: famous story about Tiger and Steve Williams at the pgat

785
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: I think it was at Medina, Tiger called Stevie in

786
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: on a pott and Stevie backed him off of something.

787
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: But it does take guts to do that, right. The

788
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: wind switches. It's early in your career. You're in between

789
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: seven and eight, and all of a sudden he's chosen

790
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: a club and the wind switches. It's going to be

791
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: hard to say, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, the wind just switch.

792
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: We got to go with something else. Early on in

793
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: your career, it's hard to make those calls, isn't it,

794
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: because you don't have the experience to say no, no, no,

795
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: this is what we do here in this situation. No, no, exactly, Claudon.

796
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: And also like that's relative to prize money as well,

797
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: you'll cut into the vent or, you'll cut in a

798
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: lower rank. Event a mistake, of course, it might it

799
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 4: might cost you, as a caddy, a couple of hundred

800
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: and two, three hundred euros. But you get to the

801
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: you get to the big stage, and you make a

802
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: mistake of that, I mean it can cost I mean,

803
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: I mean.

804
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: I'll be honest to give you a story.

805
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 4: Now, I remember we were playing, so we were playing

806
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 4: it was the last time we were playing the Hondas.

807
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago. I want to say it

808
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty two.

809
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: We're playing the Honda, and for some reason they had

810
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: no Sorry I take that back. We're playing Bayhill. Sorry,

811
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: I don't know why I said the Honda. So we're

812
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: playing We're playing Arnold Palmer Bayhill twenty twenty two. I've

813
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: carried seventy holes brilliantly. And my man hates I mean,

814
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: he hates that place. He hates that He just and

815
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 4: somehow I've got him around, he's laid up on the

816
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 4: par five. He's hit it on and we made but oh,

817
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: it's just and for some reason, I don't know why

818
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: Bayhill did this, they thought, let's get the seventeenth pole

819
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 4: and let's put the tea on the bottom level, not

820
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 4: even the top level. Some reason they started putting down

821
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 4: the bottom level. And I'm like, we've just played sixteen

822
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: and the winds wind's been into so I'm like, we

823
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: spin around up and the wind's gonna be helping off

824
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: the right and I'm uber confident, feel like everything's going perfectly.

825
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: It's a perfect nine nine now in the time we've

826
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: walked from the sixteenth into the seventeen through the winds.

827
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 4: Obviously later on the date st just to creep round

828
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: and maybe there was a slight old Yeah, I've cut

829
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: it up into right left wing. Anyway, this thing's short,

830
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 4: I mean too, it's not even made the bunk splash

831
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: with a nine iron.

832
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. He twenty yards out, I mean twenty yards out.

833
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: And the worst thing is, yeah, we said we have

834
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 4: to trop forward to the drop zone, yeah, which is

835
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: about twenty yards in front of us, and he said,

836
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: look for me, went nine.

837
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: One again a I went.

838
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 4: Hits a nine zero from the drop zone, stiffs it

839
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 4: makes bogey and went absolutely mental. But I mean and

840
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: that that was only two years ago, so I mean,

841
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: it happens. Look, it happens. I did a like your

842
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 4: uncle Billy said, I did a great job for you know,

843
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 4: ninety eight percent of the whole tournament. And what my

844
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: point was that mistake there, that that shot might have

845
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: cost him there or I cost him or whatever whatever happened.

846
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: That was two hundred and forty thousand dollars that mistake.

847
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: He made the point.

848
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 4: He made the point about telling me on the driver

849
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: Jack from Ville, next week, you're kind of players next week,

850
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: of course he did. Yeah, so that's the personal story

851
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 4: of how much you know, how how it can affect you.

852
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: But at the time it was you know, it was

853
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 4: a hard one to swallow, but you know, it happens.

854
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 4: Is there's times where you know, I'm sure caddies have

855
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 4: given maybe got wrong numbers wrong the ardent. It's work

856
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 4: in their favor and maybe they've gone on and made

857
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 4: money out. I don't know, but yeah, that's what a

858
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: person sorry to me.

859
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about tour players is they do the

860
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: same things to you guys that they do to instructors.

861
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: They can get into that headspace like we're trying to

862
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: have them not play well like I want like I

863
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: want to give you like from a caddy stamp. But yeah, no,

864
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: I wanted to give you a bad number here so

865
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: you can rinse it in the water and we go

866
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: from making four point fifty this week to making you know,

867
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: seventy eight grand. No, No, that's exactly what I've wanted to

868
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: have happened here, is I want to make this little

869
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: amount of money this week as possible. It's crazy way

870
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: they think. Sometimes, guys, give me caddies that you guys admire,

871
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: Caddies that you look at, you know, either currently in

872
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: the game or in the past, that you've been out with.

873
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: But give me some names of caddies that you guys

874
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: look out and go. Man, he's a good.

875
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 4: Cattle Mick Doran for me, Mick Doran, Oh yeah, currently

876
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 4: currently Lee Westwards bag man. He's always been a bit

877
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 4: of a role model and a bit well a good

878
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 4: friend of mine and for me, a bit of my

879
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: sort of like I'm not gonna say caddy crush, but yeah, certainly, yeah,

880
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 4: I like, I think.

881
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: Mix it, I got a great one.

882
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: We call him he throws cross because every everything that

883
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 3: he throws across wind. So I remember the sixth doll

884
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: at Race to do buys caddying for Thomas Bjorn and

885
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: it's a short path three over water. It's probably one

886
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: forty five, so there's like four yards that pins on

887
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: four yards over the water. So he stood there with Thomas.

888
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: He's given him the number wherever he's ready to go.

889
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: He's got I think he's got nana and it's slightly

890
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: into the window wherever it is. And I stood there

891
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: and Thomas is over the ball and mixed gone, whoa, whoa, whoa,

892
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: And I've looked at him.

893
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, he goes, there's a there's a gust coming.

894
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: So we're all we're all stood there looking like where's

895
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: this gust.

896
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, just give it, just give it fifteen seconds.

897
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: So we're like, where's this gust coming from?

898
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: Next thing?

899
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: This gust comes from over a house, and I stay,

900
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: that's on on Jamira Golf. This gust comes through, goes back,

901
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: goes past us, and he's like, right, Thomas, you're good

902
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: to go now.

903
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: Fans over it hits this nine nine, it's like two

904
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: foot and I'm like, what was that?

905
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: Like, it was unbelievable how he noticed his gust. And

906
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: it's like it's thinking. It's situations like that where you

907
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: think these guys have been around a long time and

908
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: the experiences is creeping in.

909
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's to if he wanted to kind

910
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: of model a caddy program off of I mean, I

911
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: can't think of a better person Billy Foster, Right, I mean,

912
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: if you look at the job that Billy Foster is done,

913
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: if you look at the bags that Billy's been on

914
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: major champions I mean, it's just smarty. When you're looking

915
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: at the curriculum for doing a course like this on caddying,

916
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: are you looking when you're coming up with the courses

917
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: and the information and the curriculum, are you looking at

918
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: specific individuals that that are caddies that you say, yeah,

919
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: I think he does that really really well. That's something

920
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: we could put into the course because I think everybody

921
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: that caddies at the highest level, again, we're all in

922
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: the same boat. We're hired by professional golfers. Everybody's role

923
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: and everybody's skill set is different, Right, did you take

924
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: smarty real world experiences with other caddies and say, okay, yeah, no,

925
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: this guy does this really really well, we're going to

926
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: put that in. We like the way that he addresses this,

927
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: We're going to put that in. Because obviously the wealth

928
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: of caddies, everybody's got their own strength as a caddy, right,

929
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: everybody's got their own you know, as you said, see

930
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: the secret sauce, Right, caddies have the secret sauce as well.

931
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: So did you try and take your experiences and say, okay, yeah,

932
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: we've got to put this in.

933
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean I still do it

934
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 2: to this day. You know, you'll see something a caddy does,

935
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: whoever that might be.

936
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: You know.

937
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: And I got lucky early on in my career because

938
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: I was working for Dan and he was around Westy

939
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: and Billy was caddying through the time. So I've got

940
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: to spend a lot of time with Billy. I can't

941
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: sit here and say that I've not learned loads from him,

942
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: and everything that's probably a lot of stuff in this

943
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 2: course has probably come from him at some point. And

944
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: if you look at the way I write notes in

945
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: my yardage book and everything like that, it's all from

946
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: basically what I've learned from other caddies. It's not you know,

947
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: it's stuff I've picked up along the time. And you know,

948
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: when we talk about building this course, we're trying to

949
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: give you like a real broad spectrum of knowledge. So

950
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: can you work Brighton one day and work for someone

951
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: you know like Rice? He said with HAROLDY just wants

952
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: real simple there's your close.

953
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: The answer to the answer to that is now, yeah,

954
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: the answer to that. The answer to that is no, guys,

955
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: because it worked. If you worked for Bryson for any

956
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: sort of time period and then worked for HB three

957
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: for any sort of time period, you'd end up in

958
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: a mental asylum because having to deal with both of

959
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: those two guys would be so so difficult. Chalk and cheese,

960
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: Chalk and cheese. What attribute do you, guys think makes

961
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: a great caddy someone who wants to do this course?

962
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: If you said, listen, we've got this course Caddy Clubhouse.

963
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: We're going to try and teach you how to be

964
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: a great caddye, But in my opinion, to be a

965
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: great caddy this is a non negotiable from me.

966
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: I think you've just got to put the work in

967
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: Claud I think lazy caddies will get caught oun't because,

968
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: like like we said before, preparation if you if you're

969
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: lazy in your preparations, not where it needs to be,

970
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: and you need to start answering. Answering questions that your

971
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: golfers putting that you're on the golf course and you

972
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: can't answer them, you soon get caught out quick. So

973
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: I think for me, it's all about putting the time

974
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: and effort in being being properly prepared for every situation.

975
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: I mean, the game's changed so much nowadays. Obviously a

976
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: lot of these guys are in the gym before the round,

977
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: after the round, you see. I mean you see it

978
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 3: with the guys week in, week out. But I just think,

979
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: like Smarty said before, and like you said, preparations massive

980
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: is just putting the time, the time and effort in

981
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 3: and being fully prepared ready for them questions that you pop.

982
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: Your players going to ask.

983
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: You, Adam, what do you think makes it? What? What

984
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: are some non negotiables for you from a caddy standpoint right?

985
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: One one word And I know the boys know what

986
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 4: I'm going to say because I said all the way

987
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 4: through the club.

988
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: Course, adaptation.

989
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 4: It's just the one thing if you can adapt to

990
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 4: the whether it be your thirst extended gap, your Harold Vanna,

991
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 4: you need to constantly adapt, whether it be a different whole,

992
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: you know, different tournament, different weather conditions. The ability to

993
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 4: adapt is just absolutely crucial for me, and it defines

994
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 4: caddying Smarty.

995
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll throw the other guys under the bus. You're

996
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: the only one that's that's carty for someone with a

997
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: major champion and a green jacket. When you get those things,

998
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: they're differentiators. You were caddying for someone that was a

999
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: friend in Danny Willett. Was there a point in that

1000
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: tournament when you guys won the Masters where you guys went,

1001
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: holy shit, we're about to win the Masters.

1002
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: Not about to win it. But I remember walking off

1003
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 2: that fifteenth green because you know, it's like at golf tournament,

1004
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: you have no idea what's going on elsewhere. And I

1005
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: remember walking off that fifteenth and guys stood up in

1006
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: the grandstands hand, you know, head in the hands, and

1007
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is going on? Anyway, they changed the

1008
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: scoreboard and I remember stood on that tea and Dan

1009
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: went to the bathroom on sixteen and Billy and Westy

1010
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: are there there one behind us? And Billy goes, oh,

1011
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: it looks like it's just me and you kid, and

1012
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, shit. I was like, so yeah,

1013
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 2: we're not wonned by one shot lead. And then walking

1014
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: up eighteenth onto the green and he had seen he

1015
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: had a twelve foot pot, I'm like, and he asked

1016
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: me to read it. I'm like, what you're asking me

1017
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: to read this for? Just just nudge it near the ole?

1018
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: Who cares about the line, Just get it? So, yeah,

1019
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: I remember those moments and stuff. It's it's ridiculous and

1020
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: you don't probably appreciate it the laughter, to be honest,

1021
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's we had three holes where you feel

1022
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: some serious, serious pressure and they are the best moments

1023
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: by a mile.

1024
00:50:53,440 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, to be a professional caddy, how do they

1025
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: find you? Guys? What's the process?

1026
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've you know, we've got the website Catti clubous

1027
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: dot com and you can go on there. All the

1028
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: informations on there, all the information about courses, different modules.

1029
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: It's going to be live in roughly three weeks. You're

1030
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: going to be able to work through it, work through there.

1031
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: Everything will be step by step it'll take you through work,

1032
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: you through into the community and all the different access

1033
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: that we're going to give you or be there for you.

1034
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: So it should be. We've made it, tried to make

1035
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: it as simple as possible for people, and you can

1036
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: do it at your own pace, and you can do

1037
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: it from your own home and we'll we'll try and

1038
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: help you every step of the way.

1039
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: And Adam, I think because of your background starting off

1040
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: at a private club and being a club caddy, I

1041
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: do think that. I mean, every single tournament we have

1042
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: at my club, the Floridian, there will be you know,

1043
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: they're trying to get caddies for every group, for every

1044
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, every player, there's always a couple of caddies

1045
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: that are new. They don't know, they're not good, they're

1046
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: just basically going to carry the bag and you know

1047
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: they're not thinking about it as a profession for the

1048
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: people that want to get their feet wet at the

1049
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: club level, how important do you think something like this

1050
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: is and how important also, Adam, do you think this

1051
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: is going to be moving forward to where you can

1052
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: go to caddy masters at clubs and say, listen, we've

1053
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: got these guys. They've taken our course this is their

1054
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: kind of CD because that, to me is something I

1055
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: think that is going to be. If this thing takes off,

1056
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: it can be vital. Like you said, agents, coaches, caddies.

1057
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we all have players, you know. I teach

1058
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: a girl on the LPGA three weeks ago her caddie Quintin.

1059
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: She's like, I got to find a new caddy. If

1060
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: you're on tour, you can go through the tour caddies, right,

1061
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: you can ask around and stuff. But when you're at

1062
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: a private club and they're looking for good quality care,

1063
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: I think this could be something that clubs, head pros,

1064
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: caddy masters use and utilize so that they can get

1065
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the best caddies for the members at their club. Yeah.

1066
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Claude, And I think something I

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Speaker 4: thought about before we did this pod let me ask

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Speaker 4: you this. So, I mean, I don't know anything about

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00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 4: the collity of the caddies at the Floridian, but how

1070
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Speaker 4: much is a green Triit green? Like a green fit

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Speaker 4: the Floridian if I wanted to go play, if I could.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a private club, so I mean they're

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Speaker 1: I think guest fees are. Yeah, they're in that kind

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00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: of three fifty to four hundred range and the caddies

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00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, normally are getting probably you know, anywhere between

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00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: fifty to one hundred US per play. Yeah, okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 4: So I think if you're going to go to a

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00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 4: gold club and for example, the Fluidian or whatever, and

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00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 4: you're paying, you're in that sort of three to five hundred.

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00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: Green pea mark.

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Speaker 4: I think the club owes it to you to provide

1082
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: a good caddy, and I think that's where we come in.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying these clubs they've all got all the

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00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 4: clubs of good caddies, but the inconsistency throughout the caddy

1085
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 4: program is something that is real. It's something we're going

1086
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 4: to go into the golf clubs, and we'd like to

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00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 4: encourage golf clubs to utilize our services so we can

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Speaker 4: elevate caddi program. Because having done four or five years

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Speaker 4: club Acaddy, myself and I've done a bit of research

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Speaker 4: and still in touch a lot of members, and definitely

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Speaker 4: in consistency throughout caddi programs is something we were looking

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Speaker 4: to address. And I really do think if you're going

1093
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 4: to spend if someone's going to spend five hundred dollars

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00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 4: playing and really good golf course. We owe it to

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00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 4: them as caddies or the golf club to give them

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Speaker 4: that experience back in the caddy Yeah, and I mean I.

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Speaker 1: Think that for a long time, caddies were kind of

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Speaker 1: thought of not only in the in the club situation,

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00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: but you know, in the professional game as well. Yeah.

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00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're caddying for a superstore, you're going

1101
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Speaker 1: to make a lot of money. But historically the caddies

1102
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: have not been treated well. They've been kind of treated

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00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: like their third class citizens. And it's got to be

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00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: frustrating for the three of you because they're like, listen,

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00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: this is this is my life's work, this is my profession,

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00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: this is my job. I'm not messing around, screwing around,

1107
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, trying to follow the sun and get us sometime.

1108
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: This is what I do for a living. And there

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00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: are people that, you know, like instructors. You know, I'm

1110
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: incredibly lucky to have been in the right place at

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00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: the right time to work with the players that I have.

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Speaker 1: But you guys know, there are loads of caddies that

1113
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: could do what you guys are doing at the elite level.

1114
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Speaker 1: They're just never going to get that opportunity, right, They're

1115
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Speaker 1: not in that fraternity, They're not in that kind of club,

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00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: so to speak of people that are ever going to

1117
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Speaker 1: get access to elite golfers. I also think one of

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00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: the things that this would be great for guys is,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the summertime, elite juniors that are going

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Speaker 1: and playing the junior circuit. I mean the I teach

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Speaker 1: a kid that who I just had on the pod,

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Speaker 1: no a caain't. He lost in the semi he lost

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Speaker 1: in the finals of the USM, but he got a

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Speaker 1: caddy at the Porter Cup where he finished second, and

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Speaker 1: he kept him this entire summer and used him at

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Speaker 1: the USM. And he's talking about using him when he

1127
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: gets to the final of the USAM. You get into

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Speaker 1: the Masters in the US Open. So no, even though

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Speaker 1: he didn't win the USM, he gets into the Masters

1130
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Speaker 1: in the US Open next year. I think this could

1131
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: also be a great kind of resource for parents of

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00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: junior golfers that say, listen, I'm going to play in

1133
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: a tournament where I need a caddy. Let me get

1134
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: somebody that has some experience that has worked for all

1135
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you are a dream chaser. Trying to

1136
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: get through Q school and you're going to finals in Europe,

1137
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: or you're going to finals to get on the corn ferry.

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Speaker 1: That's where I think you guys, guys coming out of

1139
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: college could utilize caddy fluffof citizen. I've made it to

1140
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: final stage. Now I want to get a real caddy

1141
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: that's been to final stage before, or then maybe has

1142
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: some history caddying for someone that's got.

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Speaker 2: Status exactly that. I think it's an opportunity both ways,

1144
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, like the amateur that you said,

1145
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: you know, whether he's working through the US ARM he

1146
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: gets his big break in the Master's US Open, who

1147
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: knows what he might do there. If you're caddying for

1148
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: him and you've provided value and hopefully helped him, he

1149
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: might top ten that week. You never know, we might

1150
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: top five. It gets another couple of PJ tour starts

1151
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: saying for someone at Q school, you know, like you

1152
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: could be working for the right person at Q School

1153
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: and you might be working them for five ten years

1154
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: and have an unbelievable career with them. So I think,

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00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, just having access to those jobs both ways,

1156
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: whether it's for parents, you know, for players coming up

1157
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: or just pros that are trying to make the way

1158
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: and like you say, just chasing their dream. Like do

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just going to give it that

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Speaker 2: extra push. I'm going to try and add that one

1161
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 2: percent on and get a good caddy and just give

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Speaker 2: it everything I've got.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you look at Shane Nider, he's

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00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: from Victor Hoblin. I mean, Shae caddy for a long

1165
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Speaker 1: time on the PGA tour, caddy for a bunch of

1166
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Speaker 1: good players, and I think through Wasserman, who's now management company,

1167
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: they got him to caddy for Vic in the two

1168
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: majors that he played as an amateur. He turned pro.

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Speaker 1: As soon as he turned pro, they called Shay And

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00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: I still remember when Shaye called me and we're at

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00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: Memori and he was like, listen, I'm caddying for Luke

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00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: list right now. I've got this opportunity to caddy for

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Speaker 1: Victor Hoblin. I caddied for him when he was an amateur.

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Speaker 1: We got along really well. What do you think I

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00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: should do? I mean, obviously the rest is history. Vic's

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Speaker 1: one of the best players in the world. He won

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Speaker 1: the FedEx's probably going to win majors. But that's a

1178
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: great example of someone caddied for him while he was

1179
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: still an amateur in big tournaments. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: where you guys could maybe get ahead of the curve

1181
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: and say, listen, we have a resource now to where

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Speaker 1: you do get into the US AM for the first

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00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: time as a junior golfer. You've never played in a

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00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 1: big tournament before. You know, the kid that I teach,

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00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: no Ah Can he qualified for the US Junior last summer,

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00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: had a risk injury. So the Usam that he got

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Speaker 1: into and made it to the finals, that was the

1188
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: first UFGA event he'd ever play, So it's the biggest

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00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: tournament he's ever played. And in that situation, you want

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Speaker 1: to have a caddy that knows what they're doing, that

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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: has been in the hunt and so in that respect,

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Speaker 1: I think you guys can kill it doing that. So

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Speaker 1: Datty Clubhouse dot com. It goes live next next month.

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00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but around three is the website's already up and

1195
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: you can have access to it now that actually being

1196
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 2: able to complete the course is going to be another

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00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: three weeks.

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Speaker 1: And everything's online.

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Speaker 2: Everything's going to be online. It will go into in

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Speaker 2: person training down the line, but at the minute, we

1201
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: just made it as easy as possible for people and

1202
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: just keep it online courses.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think it's a great idea and

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00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: I think you, the three of you, I think it's

1205
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: smart because, like said, I mean, people ask me, I

1206
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,959
Speaker 1: get you guys are like, like, we're in the same boat.

1207
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: People DM social media, Hey how do I get out

1208
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: on tour teaching tour players. I'm like, yeah, I wish

1209
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: I knew how to do that. Maybe I'm going to

1210
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: do the same thing in reverse for for people that

1211
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: want to be for people that want to get yelled

1212
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: at by tour players, create a course for that guys.

1213
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: I think you guys are going to have some success

1214
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: with this, and I think, you know, this could be

1215
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: something that we look back on in five ten years

1216
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: and we think, man, why didn't somebody come up with

1217
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: this before? Because caddying is fun. I mean it is

1218
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: and as you guys can attest to, you get the

1219
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: right bag, you can make a living now. I mean

1220
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 1: you can make real money. I mean just ask Teddy

1221
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: Scott Caddy AND's doing for him one thing. Do anybody

1222
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: does Anyboddy, the three of you, does anyone think Teddy Scott,

1223
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: Missus Bubba Watson anyway, Yeah, I do think Bubba Wats

1224
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: and Missus Teddy's golf. I guarantee that Missus Denn Scott

1225
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: guys really cool to talk to you. I think this

1226
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: can be really really cool. I'm happy to help in

1227
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: any way I can. But this is this is an

1228
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: idea that I don't think people realized we needed, but

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01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: we definitely need a way to make caddying become a

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01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: viable profession. It is for the people that do it.

1231
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: But just like if you want to be a golf instructor,

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01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: if you want to work in a pro shop, if

1233
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: you want to be a club bitter, there is a

1234
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: way to go about. If you want to be a

1235
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: GM at a country club, there's there's degrees and ways

1236
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: you go about this. I think what you guys are

1237
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: doing is smart, and I think you guys can be

1238
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: at the forefront of kind of creating that next generation

1239
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: of caddies at the club level or at the elite

1240
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: tour level. So good idea. Wish I would have thought

1241
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: of it. And uh, you guys are definitely buying buying

1242
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: dinner next time for sure. Thanks Thanks close, great stuff. Guys,

1243
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: we'll push people to it and Caddie clubhouse dot com

1244
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: go check it out. Guys, Thanks for coming on and

1245
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: really really enjoyed talking to you. I think you guys

1246
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: are gonna get some good people in the database and

1247
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: we will look forward to seeing how this takes off

1248
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: down the line. Some of a bunch, great review. Subscribe

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.