WEBVTT - How LARP Works 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:04.200 Welcome to you Stuff you should Know from house Stuff 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:12.440 Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.160 Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and um, he's 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.959 got duct tape over some cardboard that he's wearing on 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.040 his chest, which means that this stuff you should know 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.360 the Lark podcast or all right, I'm just gonna say 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.159 that like every five minutes. Well, and this will be 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.960 a fun one larb. All right, I'm not gonna do 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.840 that ever again. Yeah, I think we should just call this, um, 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.520 Dungeons and Dragons follow up, UM, D and D two 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:48.520 nerdier than you thought it could be. You know. Um, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.280 some people, as is written in the end of this article, 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.880 believe that the in the introduction of Dungeon and Dragons 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:59.160 was the that's the citation for the beginning of Larpe. Yeah, 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.040 that makes sense. It's just like kind of one step further, 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.040 you know, the people that really get into D and 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.000 D and sort of role play at the table. That 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.080 makes sense to me that that grew into let's just 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.520 take this out to the park across the street, you know, 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.360 or hang out in front of a movie theater when 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.120 the New Star Wars is gonna premiere. Yeah, I guess 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.679 that's LARPing in a way, isn't it. Well? Do you 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.200 remember the wizard that came by for that Triumph, Yeah, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.920 when Triumph went to the Star Wars premiere. Yeah, I've 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.640 seen that guy in New York, the wizard. If he's 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.840 not a LARPer, I don't know what is. I think 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.240 that's he's just a wizard. So we should we should 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.080 probably tell people who don't know what LARPE is what 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.440 larpe is. LARPE stands for live action role playing and, 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:45.200 as you probably guess from context, UM is usually fantasy based, 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:50.160 sometimes sci fi, sometimes goth But basically it is everything 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.640 that a D and D game is or a role 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.640 playing game is, but actually physically acted out by people 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.840 who are dressed up as their characters, who are like 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.080 going through physical motions. Um, it's real battles, right, and 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.600 it is. It's because of that, because you're actually doing 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.720 these things, it's considered much more immersive than just an 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.760 average role playing game. Sure. Uh, and we should mention 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.160 that throughout this. We're gonna be um. There was an 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.720 interview conducted for this article. This is written by Tracy Wilson. UM. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.880 Stuff you missed in history class, and she interviewed someone 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:26.120 named Lari zoel Kosky. I did say that, you say that, 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.000 and she Larry, I guess is local. And I think 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.120 she has even invented her own larpe game. So what 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.920 she did is called King's Gate. Yeah, so Tracy interviewed her. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.079 So we're gonna be using bits and pieces from Lauri. Um, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:44.600 so we thank her in abstincia. Um okay, So yeah, 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.480 I looked up King's Gate. It was purchased by Red 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.880 Button Productions. She actually sold it, yeah, and they brought 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.160 her on as the creative director. But um, I don't see, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:55.800 I don't, I don't, I don't see like that was 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.880 in two thousands six. I believe I don't see her 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.160 um her name anywhere in regards to that, And I 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.920 don't see King's Gate. It's much more like archived now, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.280 so I think it's like kind of had its day 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.880 or whatever. But hey, she still catched that check for 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:13.959 two seventy. I mean, I imagine, like making money from 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:18.000 creating a larp game is pretty unusual and rare. I 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.680 might look into that, actually, because when I was reading this, 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.799 I was thinking I could create a LARP game. I 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.040 might not want to play it, Yeah, but I could 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.720 totally create one. Have you seen some of like the 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.720 like the rules and all that, and like how granular 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.040 it gets. Yeah, I mean it's not something you rush into. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:35.800 In fact, I think Laurie said she spent about a 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.760 year or a year and a half creating King's Gate 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.120 and she even used existing rules. Yeah. Sure, what you 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:44.920 can do if you're creating a game, you can lease 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:50.120 rules from other game crews. We've gotten way. Let's let's yeah, 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.360 need to back this larp truck up. So you mentioned 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.040 that she creates this game like a larp is an 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:00.320 actual game. It's basically like creating a new universe and 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.400 saying the new universe is going to be at the 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.880 state Park on these three days, and if you come, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.400 you either have to be a character that you've designed 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.760 or that have been improved by me, the game designer, um, 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.600 and you're you're going to follow the rules of this 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.719 universe and things are going to happen within this universe 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.719 and that will be our larp. Yeah. And like you said, 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.159 the universe isn't something that you can you think, well, 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.080 how hard could it be to sketch that out over 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.839 the course of like a week, but it gets really 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.400 grant new, like you said, and you've got to think 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.120 of everything, like what does race mean in this world? 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:40.120 Is there electricity? Can people read um? Or what what 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.600 are the classes like in the difference between the classes? 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:47.279 What kinds of weapons do they have? Um? Is their magic? Answer? Yes? Yeah, 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:51.800 always magic, that's the answer. UM. And like you said, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.800 you can eat they. I guess they have existing rule 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.440 systems out there that you can nick from, or you 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.320 can make a combination of that in your own, or 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.200 you can just make up all your own rules, right, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.880 which that has to be so involved, Yeah, because I 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.080 think one thing you don't want to do is invite 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.760 fifty nerds with foam rubber swords out to the park 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.400 and have unanswered questions, right or a dissatisfying game, you know, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.320 like how could you not think of this? Like can 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.039 they read or can't they read? Um? And a lot 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.880 of it follows the same like rules that you'll find 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.040 in like a a like a traditional role playing game 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.640 like Dungeon and Dragons, Like there's armor classes, there's hit points, 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.440 there's things that determine since the people who are, like 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.880 you said, engaging in combat don't actually die, you have 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:42.080 to keep up with a way of simulating their death right. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:46.320 And so there's there's rules, the intuitive rules that you 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.080 can just kind of come up with just from playing 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.280 Dungeons and Dragons and being aware of that kind of thing. 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.200 They apply to this too, but I think it is 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.039 a little more even more granular, because you have you 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.400 have not just the rules, but you have the game itself. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.680 So there are three different uh types of not types 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.400 of people, but different categories of character. I guess that 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.520 you can participate. You can just like a D and D, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.040 you can be the game master um or because LARPA 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.880 is a bigger, more immersive time and sense of thing. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.560 It's probably just not run by one person that you're 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.200 probably you might have a plot committee and be on 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.800 you know, like a group with a group of folks 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.920 trying to like sus this out basically, right, Yeah, exactly, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.240 especially if players break off into smaller groups and you 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:38.920 kind of know what's going on, like mutiny. Uh. There 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:43.880 are non player characters in PCs UH, and that I 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.680 wonder what the draw is for that. Those are people 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.800 that actually aren't advancing in the game or playing to win. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.160 Tracy gave the example of like you might be the 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:56.120 the innkeeper or the bartender in the pub that tells you, 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.800 you know, don't go that way, that the dragon is 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.039 that way, right, that's probably you're doing. That's like a 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.240 LARPer who has a drinking problem and doesn't like to 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.680 move around too muss, so they just sit in the 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.839 tavern and wait for people to come by and make 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.120 up stories about you know, bandits or whatever. I guess 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.880 the answer is it's the same person who would want 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.960 to or not the same person, but the same idea 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.840 behind someone who doesn't mind playing the tree in the play, 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.000 you know, as opposed to trying out for the lead role. 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.600 Like we need our bit players and we need our stars. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.960 I think. Also, probably if you have a Larpe game, um, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.000 and so like an actual three day weekend at the 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.520 park will be a game. Uh, and then those games 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:40.640 might take place over some sort of um, consecutive order 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.160 in the time that's in this Larpe world, um, and 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.480 that will form a campaign. But if you have like 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.320 a game like King's Gate that the lady who was 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:55.600 interviewed for this created, right, um, you're you're gonna have 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.480 kind of an organization of people who help you carry 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.280 out this game in real life, and I imagine they 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:06.040 probably play nonplayer characters. You think that's who I would think, 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.200 does it? That makes sense? You know, they're almost they're 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:13.239 almost like administrators of this right. They're not game masters 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.040 per se, but they're like the game master's right hand people. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.440 They still like sit and break bread with the game master, 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.720 which I think some people like being the inner circle. Maybe. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:24.680 All right, So then you have the player characters, and 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:28.880 those are they can develop new skills, they can learn things, 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.080 they're trying to win. They're actually a part of the story. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.440 I'm sorry. The NPCs are part of the story. The 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.840 PCs are experiencing that story, right. So, like, if you 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.920 are the game designer or the game master and you 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.480 created this particular game or campaign that you're sending people 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.720 out on, it's not just a free for all, like you, 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.200 if you need to keep the narrative moving along, you 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.000 will create like that bartender character, right, So that person 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.360 is there and they're going to be there when these 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.120 player characters come for the weekend um or there the 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.160 bandits that the bartender warns everybody about, they're gonna be 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.280 out there in the woods they're non player characters, but 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.400 they're part of the game. So anybody who's not part 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.520 of the designed game that is playing and has a 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.520 foam sword, that's a player character. I think I would 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.679 like to be like a wild card NPC, like the 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.439 right hand man to the gamemaster. And if the game 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.840 master was like, oh crap, I forgot like no one 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.520 knows how to get to the eerie Cave, I need 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.000 a need in an innkeeper, and I could just like 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.800 get in the character all right, I'm an innkeeper. What 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.920 do you need? What do you need from me? Innkeeper? Boom? 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.120 What do they call that? Is that character acting? Yeah, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.360 i'd be I'd be a character actor. What if the 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.640 gamemasters like, crap, we didn't get enough bolognay for all 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.520 these people and they're gonna be upset come month's time. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.600 Can you go get some more? I can do that. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.320 I can be a bologna guy. Um. And you mentioned 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.120 the game the game itself. UM. A game session can 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.160 last a few hours, a few days, and that can 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.600 or cannot be, or may or may not be part 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.600 of a large your campaign. From what I saw, games 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.280 typically last like three days over a weekend. I think 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.920 the campaign thing is kind of cool though. Yeah, like 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.480 you you you have your battles over a weekend and 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.720 then you take that back and apply that to your 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.840 risk board or you know, your whatever maps you've drawn 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.240 up in the world, and like, all right, now we 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.600 know that, uh, this territory is now owned by whoever 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.920 the victor was. And what does that mean because now 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.240 they're advancing towards this group or something. Right. Yeah, from 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:36.320 the interaction of the players and the game both change. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.400 Like the players. A player might die, a player is 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.200 going to probably gain some experience points or maybe some 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.839 hit points or whatever, or a new weapon. Um the 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.120 game itself. Like if you created like a central monster 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.160 or something that needs to be killed, that monster may 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.559 be killed. So in this world that you created, that 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.920 monster no longer lives. So this this thing, it's it's 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:03.680 um dynamic, it's not static. It Yeah, another to evolve. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.839 It's really cool. Have you seen Step Brothers? That movie? 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.600 No I haven't. The Larpe features heavily in that. It's 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:16.920 pretty funny and it doesn't know role models too. Oh yeah, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.000 Step Brothers d c Riley and Will Ferrell. Right, if 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.160 I hadn't seen it, so I didn't know, no, no no, no, Yeah, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.520 role models, that's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, he gets 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.160 his confidence at the end. Yeah, and apparently people get 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.160 their confidence from larp in in some cases. Um yeah, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.760 I thought that movie was better then I thought it 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.720 was gonna be. And apparently David Wayne, the director, said 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.120 that that's his highest compliment for that movie is for 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.120 he said, people come up to me often and say 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.280 it was a lot better than about What's Gonna be. Yeah. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.480 The way it was marketed was really like dumb and 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.280 low brow and it was just gonna be just a 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.760 dunce of a movie. But it had like a lot 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.560 of heart and thoughts to it, and there was a 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.800 lot of conflict and it was funny too, like if 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.480 you get a LARP game going with my At Walsh 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.000 and Ken Jiong, you're you're on the right track. Comedy 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:08.880 was in it, alright, So, um, Stepbrothers, what a dope. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:13.280 I'm sure people were like, no Strothers. The great thing 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.880 is that they started their emails and then hopefully stop 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.520 mid sentence. Yeah, Stepbrothers funny too. The Catalina wine mixer, Um, 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.240 all right, so there are three like Catalina addressing no 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:28.240 cat the island of Catalina, the coast of l a um. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.920 So there are three different types of games, three ways 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.480 you can play the game. There's a battle game, and 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.440 that's actually when dudes and ladies get out there. They're 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:43.560 fully armored up in their cardboard and plastic and they 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.880 someone gives a signal and they charge each other like 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.000 it's you know, uh, what was the mel Gibson Braveheart 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.320 and they you know, they beat each other about the 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.880 head with foam swords. Yeah, and like there's there's restrictions 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.920 on how to make what's what's called a boffer. It's 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:06.120 a um it's a larpe weapon. And typically it's anything 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:11.760 from like a sword to mace shield, um yeah, battle ax, 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.280 bow and arrow. But there's there's standards for it. Like 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.360 they usually start with, um, a piece of PVC or 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.720 a piece of bamboo. It's heavily padded and wrapped in 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.440 duct tape and then you know it's it's tricked out 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.679 to like be to look like a sword or to 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:32.920 look like a bone arrow or whatever, and um it 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:37.440 it doesn't do any damage, but it looks cool, especially 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.560 when you're like this is a pretense sword and it's 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.480 mine and I built it and I'm gonna kill you 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.000 with it. Yeah, what are them? What's that website? Tracy 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.240 recommended it was. I went and checked it out. It 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.440 was actually pretty good, so did I. It was called 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.640 Leucrane's Guide to Boffer's l U k r Ai n 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.480 Apostrophe s and it's you go, and it's got all 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.840 the weapons there that you could ever imagine and how 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.960 to make them, an advice and all that good stuf 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.760 of um. All right, So that's the battle game and 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.800 Dark Con is one of the most popular ones, and 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.240 that is an award winning documentary as well. And I 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:11.880 checked out the trailer for that just to see it. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.760 Did you see that They kind of echoed Braveheart, you know, 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:17.679 in the way they shot it, but it's, you know, 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.400 it is what it is. It's kind of funny. But 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.600 they interviewed some people in there that you could tell, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.840 like this one lady was like, you know, I don't 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.520 have control at work, I don't have control, and here 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.800 I don't have control. They're like when I lark, I'm 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.440 in control and that's what it gives me. And this 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.160 other guy was like, you know, I became ended up 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.080 becoming the man, I wanted to be through the fantasy 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.680 of the character that I wanted to be. Yeah, I'm sure, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.920 like if you kill a few elves over the course 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.280 of a weekend and come out of like a larpe game, 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.800 like really on top, that has to translate to the 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.800 rest of your life. Well, it's just like winning anything, 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.040 whether I mean, I don't care what sport or competition, 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.400 any kind of competition that you participate in and come 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.400 out on top or just get something out of, it's 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.280 gonna benefit you in your life. Yeah, it's just because 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.720 society deems of support is being worthy of paying somebody 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.600 tens of millions of dollars to be able to play it. 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.240 It doesn't mean it's any more valuable or victory there 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.760 is any more valuable than one elsewhere. Agreed, very open 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:21.120 minded Josh. So then you have theatrical games. Um, this 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.760 is mainly like sitting around in your house with storytelling 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.280 with cards and dice and things that I thought to know, 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.800 there's this whole world out there. Well it can be 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.400 that though that but that's like, that's what it is like. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.160 If you sit around and do this in your house, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:37.640 people are gonna be like, this is what you invited 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.560 us over for No, that's not true. There's all sorts 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.200 of of theatrical games that people just play, like on 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.440 a Friday night. Okay, the ones I found, we're all 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:51.120 like really involved, really widespread and kind of cool. Look, well, 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.480 it's all over the map. There's one called Fiasco that 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:57.280 I actually want to buy and play. It's a movie larp, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.200 theatrical larp, and it's like very Coen Brothers ask like 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.440 the movie plots and you act out these characters. And 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.200 but that's the one where you sit around play with 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.040 your friends. All Right, it sounds kind of cool. But 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.080 so what's the other half. Well, the one I ran across, 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.640 the the big um, the legendary one is called Vampire 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:18.840 the Masquerade. Yeah, and there's like classes and tribes and 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.040 races of different vampires. And then there's other ones. There's 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.600 like ones based on mummies. There's one based on sin eaters. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.520 There's like demon ones. There's like just different um like 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.960 whole worlds. Man, they've created entire worlds. They have whole 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.200 histories and they're acting these things out and it's very 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:42.280 much like a large except it's far more subtle. Literally 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.440 the theater maybe in a theater. It'll be in a 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.680 much larger place than like somebody's living room, um, maybe 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.720 like a conference hall or something like that, with the 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.920 lights turned down or something, and everybody's decked out as 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.880 like vampires from like the Victorian eras, and it looks 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.400 really cool. If you go read up on these things, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.520 like just just going from link to link, it just 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.800 becomes more and more and more involved, and you like 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:13.119 it's incredibly thought out. The rules are incredibly complex. The 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.639 big difference between that and like combat um LARPing is 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.199 that like if if say a vampire goes to attack 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:25.320 another vampire, they'll usually roll for the outcome. They'll play 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.720 like some sort of some variation of paper rock scissors 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.879 or something like that. Um And And that's how it's 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:37.000 more about the the story and intrigue and um and 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.320 that kind of thing, rather than like running into battle 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.560 against one another in the woods. I think if I 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.679 I would sneak in my big boffer when they were 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.000 like all right, Chuck, you know, do your rock, paper 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:50.920 or scissors, and then I would pull out the big 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:52.840 boffer and it just like a hush would follow over 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.680 the right, like you can't bring a boffer right, especially 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:57.760 because you would have fixed like a squeaky toy to 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.359 the egg when the head to make a really goofy 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.639 noise and they're like, you're not playing right, and I 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.000 would just boff everybody like you all dead, all right? 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.600 And the final is the role playing game. And I 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.920 didn't really understand the difference, to be honest, I was 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.480 gonna ask Tracy, so maybe you can explain it. Do 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.680 you know the difference between this and like a battle 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.959 game or is it sort of like theatrical combined with battle? Yes, 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.520 that's exactly what Okay. Battle game is just running against 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.679 one another and beating the tar out of each other. 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.480 So there's no larger story going on. No, no, necessarily. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.280 I think if there's a larger story than you just 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.280 created a role playing game. Okay, all right, I get 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:35.879 it that I would want to play a role playing game. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.920 Then it's got everything. It's got the best of both 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:44.840 worlds plus bologna um. And like we said, the rules 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.879 are really the most important thing. Like I get a 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.840 feeling that in all these games the rules are just 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.400 sac or sancta. If you don't follow the rules, then 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.120 people get upset, and then the whole thing just goes 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.879 into chaos, you know. So let's talk about some of them, 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:05.080 like combat rules. Well, like we said, um, you're simulating 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.399 death or injury. Yeah, you're not actually inflicting this, So 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.240 you have to be able to tell how, um how 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.120 how I guess how many hit points? How much health 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.240 a character has. When you're being hit with a sword, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.440 like in a certain area, typically you you're forced to 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:26.800 call out how many points you just lost. So Tracy says, 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.440 the combatants call out how much damage they inflict. That 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.360 seems a little I would rather play a game where 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:34.560 it's up to you, as the one that's hit with 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.399 the foam arrow, to say, all right, that's three points 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:38.920 I get hit in the chest with the foam arrow, 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.440 rather than some jerk take all three points hit you 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.840 with my arrow, right, you know, right? Like, I think 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:47.680 it should be up to the person who gets inflicted. 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:52.040 That's just me, And ultimately it would be up to 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.119 the game designer to decide who who who calls that out? 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:56.959 That would be a rule, I guess. So. But if 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.960 some guy came up and bough me in the chest 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:00.920 and then stood over me to many how many points? 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.440 That would be a problem. I would say, probably you 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.040 should stay away from large games because I guarantee that's 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:10.040 what it's like. Okay, uh we mentioned magic. Imagine magic 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.240 plays a big part in most games because why not. 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.120 You know, if you're going to do a fantasy game, 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.960 you might as well throw magic in there. And throwing 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.680 is is pretty important. Well, yeah, I would like to 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.840 see some of this actually, um, because there's the two components. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:28.000 One where you cast a spell and do an incantation, 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:30.680 and then when you cast your spell at the end, 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.440 like you said, like you might throw a bean bag 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.440 or a little pouch of bird seed and you have 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:38.840 to hit the other person with it for your spell 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.359 to have had there's physical skill involved, right, So physical 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.440 skill if you get the incantation wrong um or if 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:50.840 you um miss, the spell doesn't work. And um. Also 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:52.800 like if you're a new character, if there's not you're 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.800 only gonna have access to certain number types of spells. Yeah, 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.600 you can't just say like I can do this spell 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.560 as much as I want, exactly. That's that's part of 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.600 the rules as well. But you mentioned this skill like 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.760 throwing is an actual part of skill that's considered a 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.119 hard skill, Like in real life, you are good at throwing. 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:13.520 You have the skill with pigging people with little balls 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.360 of bird seed. Right, your soft skill would be magic 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.960