Speaker 1: Welcome to Talk in Coffee. I'm se Cup. I'm joined
Speaker 1: by my producers Lauren and Derek. As always, Hi guys.
Speaker 2: Hello, Good Monday morning to you.
Speaker 1: People can't see us, don't realize how much stuff is
Speaker 1: on this desk today because we have so much to do.
Speaker 2: It's a lot going on. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of jobs today before we even
Speaker 1: get to coffee news.
Speaker 3: Oh, we need to.
Speaker 1: Talk some coffee. We need to try some coffee.
Speaker 3: Please, coffee.
Speaker 1: We are going to I brought in a coffee product.
Speaker 1: I brought in a coffee accessory. Derek brought in a
Speaker 1: coffee food product, coffee candy. Yes, we are really getting
Speaker 1: We're getting our hands dirty, We're getting our mouths dirty
Speaker 1: or something. Today.
Speaker 2: We're really living the product. We're living the podcast.
Speaker 1: We are It's a lived experience. I love that about us. Okay,
Speaker 1: the first thing we have to talk about, let me
Speaker 1: unpack it. Okay, okay, So as everybody knows if you've
Speaker 1: been listening to Talk and Coffee, I confessed last year one,
Speaker 1: the big one. This is the big one. Still feeling
Speaker 1: it me too. I've talked to my therapists about it
Speaker 1: several times. That I had to switch to decaf coffee.
Speaker 1: Now we've talked about why, and I think some of
Speaker 1: it is like perimenopause getting to a certain age. I
Speaker 1: also just think I've never reacted great to caffeine, and
Speaker 1: maybe it's just kind of it's caught up with me
Speaker 1: over the years. But something was happening where I was
Speaker 1: drinking my morning coffee suddenly and getting very tired, just
Speaker 1: like crash out tired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I did it. It's just not what
Speaker 2: caffeine is supposed to. It's the opposite of what it's
Speaker 2: supposed to do, definitely not what it's sold as.
Speaker 1: No. Luckily, I love the flavor of coffee no matter what,
Speaker 1: so even if it wasn't doing its job, I persisted.
Speaker 1: I persisted through that SOB and finally gave in and
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't live like this. I can't
Speaker 1: crash immediately after I finished my first cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: So I switched to decaf. And we've discussed the psychological
Speaker 1: sort of shame that identity crisis. It is an identity,
Speaker 1: that's right, yeah, crisis. I for a long time associated
Speaker 1: decaf with weakness, moral failing. As Derek pointed out, once like,
Speaker 1: I'm not as good a person as I used to
Speaker 1: be having switched to decaf. There's a lot that goes
Speaker 1: into this, but I'm fully on the decaff train. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean occasionally I won't have a cafenated cup, but I'm
Speaker 1: fully on the decaf train.
Speaker 4: The decaff train runs a little slower. It's it's it's
Speaker 4: not an express train.
Speaker 3: Hits all the stops. It's a local train.
Speaker 1: But it gets you there. It gets you there, right.
Speaker 1: It's the delivery system of the flavor I love. It's
Speaker 1: the ritual of the thing that I love.
Speaker 2: You can still look forward to it.
Speaker 1: I do, and I make my decaff coffee, mine espresso
Speaker 1: decaff coffee every morning, or I go to Duncan and
Speaker 1: I get a nice Docah. Fine, Okay. We've discussed many
Speaker 1: times on this podcast how there aren't as many decaff options,
Speaker 1: that the world is a very caffeinist place. It is.
Speaker 1: I think, Derek one time, you said, well for normal people.
Speaker 4: I love how these things these I made like I
Speaker 4: have lodged into. I need to be more careful about
Speaker 4: what I say.
Speaker 3: Well, my therapist has heard all of these stories. I've
Speaker 3: made it into the therapy.
Speaker 1: In fact, you know, I'm writing a book about my
Speaker 1: mental health. You might be chapter fourteen. I would be honored, kidding.
Speaker 1: But it's a caffeinist world, right, Yeah, Lauren, you are
Speaker 1: talking about your your subscription service JOT coffee.
Speaker 2: They may not have a decaff option.
Speaker 1: That's insane and really rude. John, if you're listening, fix it,
Speaker 1: get on the drink. Oh, DCLF option insane. So cut
Speaker 1: to a couple of weeks ago, I'm scrolling on Instagram
Speaker 1: and I come across this product that is called low
Speaker 1: Key Coffee. It is RTD, which means ready to drink category,
Speaker 1: and that's important because I have two coffee news stories
Speaker 1: about RTD. It is an RTD ready to drink DCLF
Speaker 1: coffee in a can.
Speaker 2: It's really cute. I like the coloring. It's like a
Speaker 2: purple purple coloring.
Speaker 3: And low key is like a word of the moment.
Speaker 3: Low key.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You guys, remember when we were trying to name rename
Speaker 1: coffee so it didn't have the DCAF stigma, and we
Speaker 1: were like, maybe it's chill coffee. Maybe it's you know,
Speaker 1: like I forget what all.
Speaker 2: The words that we like genius can up with low
Speaker 2: Key coffee, A good one perfect, it's really good description.
Speaker 1: I don't need to be amped. Yeah, but I want
Speaker 1: my coffee.
Speaker 2: I would love to hear from the person who came
Speaker 2: up with this the backstory of like the other names
Speaker 2: that they came up with before they got to low Key.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a whole white board involved.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure. I'm so glad you asked, because when
Speaker 1: I saw this on Instagram, I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: need to order this. Obviously we need to try it
Speaker 1: on Talking Coffee and talk about it. But then I
Speaker 1: realized I know the person who made this coffee.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, exciting.
Speaker 1: I know him personally. Oh fun. So here's a great story,
Speaker 1: and I think we should have him on the pod
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Okay, Chris is his name, Okay, Chris Gindalsburger.
Speaker 1: But because he lives in DC, he's friends with my
Speaker 1: husband Nice. We all know my husband John Goodwin because
Speaker 1: he lives in DC. The pod friend of Talk Coffee
Speaker 1: because he lives in DC, just like my husband did.
Speaker 1: He has a nickname. It's Gindy. I love. My husband's
Speaker 1: nickname is Goody.
Speaker 2: Okay, got a little bit, Yes, so you need their
Speaker 2: own podcast.
Speaker 1: Guindy and his lovely wife Adriana. Guindy is so he works.
Speaker 1: He's a lobbyist, as everyone in DC is in some way.
Speaker 1: He's a lobbyist at the National Confectioners Association.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 1: This exists big. They like to say over it NCA
Speaker 1: that they have the sweetest staff in DC. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: too easy. He's essentially the head of comms. He's great.
Speaker 1: He's been there a really long time and we've known
Speaker 1: him and his his lovely wife Adriana for years and
Speaker 1: they together launched this brand. So we can have them
Speaker 1: on and ask them the genesis.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: Were you guys over caffeine? Like what happened there? The
Speaker 1: name process, the whole deal. So anyway, I ran into
Speaker 1: them at the Correspondence weekend and it was like, Gindy,
Speaker 1: I love this, like I have a whole backstory about
Speaker 1: why I need this in my life and I have
Speaker 1: a podcast, Like send me the product combination, and so
Speaker 1: they did. They sent us the vanilla it's unsweetened, but
Speaker 1: it's vanilla flavored, and they sent us the regular flavored
Speaker 1: to try. So we're gonna try it. I want to
Speaker 1: tell you a little bit, just a little bit about
Speaker 1: lokey coffee, the low key coffee difference. Yea, all right,
Speaker 1: this is not an ad. I'm just I'm try it, okay.
Speaker 1: Loki Coffee is a decaff coffee company that offers a clean, delicious,
Speaker 1: and convenient alternative to caffeinated coffee. Our mission is to
Speaker 1: provide high quality, decaff coffee options that cater to a
Speaker 1: growing demand. Yes, we are for clean labeled caffeine free beverages.
Speaker 1: Now listen to this, and this is also going to
Speaker 1: come back later in the pod. The Swiss water process
Speaker 1: is how they get the caffeine out. Listen to this. Okay,
Speaker 1: methylene chloride, nope, f lacetate never. Low Key coffee products
Speaker 1: are made from organic coffee beans that are decaffeinated in
Speaker 1: a natural way using water, temperature control, and time. The
Speaker 1: Swiss water process uses pure water to gently remove caffeine
Speaker 1: from coffee beans while preserving the coffee's original flavor characteristics.
Speaker 1: The results are the very best decaffed coffee, which is
Speaker 1: free from chemicals and processing residue. So we've often talked
Speaker 1: about how, yes you get caffeine.
Speaker 2: It's an overarching question and I feel like this just
Speaker 2: hints at like I almost feel like maybe we can
Speaker 2: invite an expert on who can just side through the Yes,
Speaker 2: the process is clearly.
Speaker 1: There's science, Clearly, there's chemistry. Tackles that I think are
Speaker 1: traditionally used to take the caffeine.
Speaker 2: Those words that they sound evil, they start that underlying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't want that.
Speaker 4: I do sort of hesitate a little bit to just
Speaker 4: raise one. The only tiny red flag from what you
Speaker 4: were saying is when food products advertise themselves as like clean,
Speaker 4: chemical free. A lot of times that's a little bit
Speaker 4: of hype, a little bit of like things sound like
Speaker 4: you said, Lauren, certain words sound scary, but it's just
Speaker 4: a chemical that is totally safe to use. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of that that I'm like cautious about.
Speaker 1: Well, but I'm sure it is safe to use. It
Speaker 1: is what's used, right, But and who knows, maybe it's marketing.
Speaker 1: But the idea that they take the caffeine out on
Speaker 1: this Swiss water process, it sounds great, Swiss. Sweet you
Speaker 1: told me a Swiss. It's always always that's going to
Speaker 1: come back later. I'm so glad, but no, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: really I'm really excited my life could change from this,
Speaker 1: from the the advent of this product.
Speaker 3: This is amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I brought us all cups of ice because
Speaker 1: these these have not been refrigerated. Who wants to try
Speaker 1: vanilla and who wants.
Speaker 3: To try regular?
Speaker 2: Either one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good with either.
Speaker 1: Okay, here you go.
Speaker 2: I'm giving you the regular one you milk vanilla.
Speaker 1: I'm going to try the regular the non vanilla, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to put my milk in it and my
Speaker 1: sweetener the way I would have my coffee. Great, okay,
Speaker 1: with the smells. The smells a coffemell, sweet smells. Oh
Speaker 1: do you think it's concentrated.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean ideally it's a little concentrated.
Speaker 1: M hm, because then because you're putting it on ice.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's one hundred percent Arabica beans, single origin.
Speaker 2: I never know what that means.
Speaker 1: Sounds good?
Speaker 3: And is it yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is it designed maybe you said the story. Is it
Speaker 3: designed to be iced or.
Speaker 4: Like or you can away at least refrigerator it is
Speaker 4: supposed to be cold?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, lay could you.
Speaker 3: Pass me that milk?
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you? Okay, got my sweetener. Got my milk.
Speaker 1: If anyone needs a stir.
Speaker 3: I'll just shake it. I like my coffee shake and
Speaker 3: not stirred.
Speaker 1: Can I have a little of that milk as well?
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't wait. It does smell good.
Speaker 2: To get a sniff of the villa. I feel like
Speaker 2: I should have tried the Yeah, it smells sweet, smells
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: Okay, ready here we go. Low key coffee lokey.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm. I think that's hike, good, hike.
Speaker 1: I really like that low key.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mine is just I just have the black with
Speaker 4: a little bit of milk, great flavor, favor.
Speaker 2: I'm not like a flavored coffee person. Yes, the vanilla
Speaker 2: is not my jams.
Speaker 3: A little strong.
Speaker 1: It's just the flavor.
Speaker 2: It just ends up not tasting like coffee and tasting fake,
Speaker 2: feeling fake. There's a big flavor there. Yeah, anyway, it's
Speaker 2: not getting in the way.
Speaker 1: Yes, I am really liking this non flavored deca.
Speaker 3: It's very It's almost like refreshing somehow.
Speaker 2: You know. It's funny though, Like the moment I drank it,
Speaker 2: I felt like a placebo.
Speaker 3: Like caffeine fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to remind yourself this is
Speaker 1: in caffeine.
Speaker 2: This is low key. I can chill out.
Speaker 3: This is low key.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be able to sip this.
Speaker 2: How does it come into How does it compare to
Speaker 2: JOT for you?
Speaker 1: If you recall, JOT was a very intense coffee flavor. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: almost like a dessert coffee flavor, like coffee ice cream something,
Speaker 1: yeah or something. And it felt very caffeinated. Yeah. Remember,
Speaker 1: like I had a couple of SIPs and I was
Speaker 1: like feeling it, feeling I gotta put this guy away.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it was a more intense coffee flavor
Speaker 1: than this. I don't I don't mind this. In fact,
Speaker 1: I like this a lot, and especially if I just
Speaker 1: need it on the go. I just need an on
Speaker 1: the go decaf. I don't have time to make it,
Speaker 1: which does you know take some time? Yeah, just grab
Speaker 1: and go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's a very smooth flavor. It's very so what that means,
Speaker 4: but that feels like the word to use.
Speaker 1: It's like it is very smooth. Yeah, and there's no bareness.
Speaker 3: Yes, it feels.
Speaker 2: It does feel more concentrated than some coffee that I
Speaker 2: know at some place like feels to me, is not
Speaker 2: like the cold brew it's like they've just put coffee
Speaker 2: into the fridge and whatever. It does feel that little
Speaker 2: water down. This feels like it can stand up to
Speaker 2: the ice melting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1: And it's a warm day out there in the city.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this says best enjoyed choiulder over ice. I'll
Speaker 1: give you some facts. It's twelve calories, no fat, two
Speaker 1: point five carbs, less than a gram of protein. It's
Speaker 1: got some some calcium seven point four milligrams, so just
Speaker 1: a little. The ingredients are water and organic decaf coffee.
Speaker 3: It does say twelve mg and milligram of caffeine.
Speaker 1: Yes, which is like a normal cup of coffee is
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty miligram. Okay, so yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: like much less, very very little, right, like less than
Speaker 1: a cup of tea, Like very that's very little caffeine.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you wouldn't even notice it unless you were
Speaker 1: really really sensitive. I'm not like super sensitive, but I
Speaker 1: can definitely feel it when I have it. I feel nothing.
Speaker 1: This is great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is so low key.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely feel like it'd be nice to have
Speaker 2: them on the show because, okay, confirmed it tastes good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I would love to.
Speaker 2: Know the like a little bit more of the backstory
Speaker 2: if it's personal, and like what the response has been and.
Speaker 1: The process, like I want to know it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the name. Talk to me about the market, like
Speaker 1: the market for decaf coffee and where's it going? And
Speaker 1: I'm sure these guys did all their homework and research
Speaker 1: and know everything, so we definitely have to have the guindi's.
Speaker 2: And I also have some questions about a candy Lobbys.
Speaker 2: So if you get a squeeze ze in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk to candy all over the.
Speaker 4: Office sings factory basically where they work.
Speaker 1: Do they dress colorfully because it feels like they should, right, Well,
Speaker 1: are they a little cool like kookie and wacky and fun?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are they serious? Who knows?
Speaker 4: I grew up close to the jelly Belly factory in
Speaker 4: northern California.
Speaker 3: It was one of my favorite places to go.
Speaker 1: Close to the pez factory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, orange amazing.
Speaker 4: And one of the things there's like a tour you
Speaker 4: can go on. And one of the things is they
Speaker 4: talk about how much Ronald Reagan loved jelly Belly.
Speaker 1: You did, We're all familiar, So now.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking it was Gindy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he was probably not not back then,
Speaker 4: but what maybe Guindy's Guindy's a boss or predecessor was
Speaker 4: big on getting Reagan hooked on.
Speaker 2: Like one, when did the candy lobbyists come into play?
Speaker 2: Did they come up through the playground lobbyists? Like, what's
Speaker 2: the story there?
Speaker 1: That might have been inside job getting getting Reagan hooked
Speaker 1: on jelly bellies love it?
Speaker 3: Who knows he'll.
Speaker 1: Have he'll have stories to tell for sure. It's a
Speaker 1: long time candy lobbyists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we definitely got to get him on.
Speaker 1: Okay, Guindy, as you're you're invited on, I will book
Speaker 1: them and then we'll talk about this great new coffee product.
Speaker 2: And we did hear anecdotically from our own listeners that
Speaker 2: there are a lot of other decaf feeling a little
Speaker 2: shameful listeners drinkers. So if there's any more out there,
Speaker 2: I'm not alone.
Speaker 1: Even though Derek regularly, I mean, you know, even though
Speaker 1: Rocco di Spirito was like, don't try that in Italy.
Speaker 3: Good luck in Italy.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, they're not going to deport you.
Speaker 1: To deport you, but like they will not enjoy you.
Speaker 1: They will not be kind. There is no option. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like, don't even try it. You bring your own.
Speaker 1: So but listen, I've gotten used to living life in
Speaker 1: a caffeinist world.
Speaker 2: Yeah on the outskirts.
Speaker 1: But thanks to low Key Coffee again not sponsored, but
Speaker 1: Guindy feel free. Thanks to low Ki Coffee, the world
Speaker 1: is a little less caffeinist for me.
Speaker 3: A little more inclusive.
Speaker 1: It's a little inclusive. Okay, Well that was really fun.
Speaker 1: Super glad we did that. I brought in something else.
Speaker 3: It's hard to even imagine what you're what you're holding.
Speaker 1: It's okay, so I saw this on TikTok. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to open them and hopefully they become self explanatory.
Speaker 3: But pa, you're opening a plata container filled with.
Speaker 1: Like gauze patches or something. Yeah. So these are on
Speaker 1: the go portable coffee filters for so you open these
Speaker 1: guys up. Cute. I know Derek is dying right now. Okay.
Speaker 2: So it's it has little like cardboard tabs that you
Speaker 2: pull up and then it hangs like two arms over
Speaker 2: your cup.
Speaker 1: Wow, and it's a mini filter. Very can you pour
Speaker 1: your pour over right into it?
Speaker 3: Right into the cup. Yeah, so can you.
Speaker 1: Matt, like on planes? Maybe I don't know where you're
Speaker 1: bringing this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would need like I guess if you know,
Speaker 2: if the plane came through and they're pouring for tea
Speaker 2: and you like had this already, it could be like
Speaker 2: just a little hot water in this.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yes, you would bring your own, like coffee beans
Speaker 4: the crown.
Speaker 3: I would. I would bring the beans and I would
Speaker 3: grind it right there on the plane.
Speaker 1: Nice, very performative.
Speaker 2: You have a hand grinder.
Speaker 3: Right, I do?
Speaker 4: And then I okay, so then yeah, I guess because
Speaker 4: I'm trying. At first, I was like, well, where would
Speaker 4: you need to make poor of a coffee?
Speaker 3: And the only thing you lacked was a filter?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: But I would say like the office, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Because actually, when you think about it, there actually are
Speaker 4: a lot of places where hot water is available to you,
Speaker 4: so you can get the hot water. So this it
Speaker 4: solves that problem of yeah, it's essentially it's not just
Speaker 4: the filter that you need, it's also the This eliminates
Speaker 4: the need for like the plastic cup that holds the
Speaker 4: filter exactly. It's all contained. You can and then you
Speaker 4: throw it away, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Throw it away very clever, so you must go and try.
Speaker 3: Wow, I definitely will thank you. And this looks like
Speaker 3: there's a thousand.
Speaker 1: It was like the only way here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. Okay, Well I'm I will I
Speaker 4: will try it and report back so much.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I brought a gift of my own. Should we get
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Okay. Well, after after many weeks now of.
Speaker 4: Promising this, I went to Trader Joe's and I got
Speaker 4: one of my favorite things that Trader Joe's has. It's
Speaker 4: the Coffee Lovers espresso beans, chocolate covered espresso beans, inspired
Speaker 4: by your inspired by your favorite sweet coffee combinations. Because
Speaker 4: they are different. I never like really distinguish when I'm
Speaker 4: eating them, but like there are different flavored ones, and
Speaker 4: like slightly you'll notice slightly different, like.
Speaker 1: Extrue I'm going to notice.
Speaker 3: So that's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's get this opened, and uh, it's just kind.
Speaker 1: Of okay, what are the different flavors?
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't even realized that there were, although I knew
Speaker 4: that there were different textures and there's different colors.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can find the answer.
Speaker 4: I like a lot of the Trader Joe's chocolate items
Speaker 4: I love the dark chocolate covered almonds. It's a great
Speaker 4: sea salt dok chocolate covered almans. Oh yeah, those are good.
Speaker 1: So I've got like a tope colored beans.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got one clearly a chocolate colored milk chocolate.
Speaker 2: And then like it looks like a white polka dot.
Speaker 1: Yep. It doesn't say on the bag, but the difference. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm going to start with my like light like brow
Speaker 1: did the white one. It just tastes like a white
Speaker 1: white chocolate covered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so okay, is that caramel?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, not so nice.
Speaker 3: It's really good.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tope one was good. The Tope one was
Speaker 2: I think you might have a little bit of caramel
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, alright, I'm going for the.
Speaker 3: What looks like a milk chocolate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of a lot of the chocolate just
Speaker 4: like instantly meltable in your mouth.
Speaker 2: It's really it's gonna go really well with my coffee.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The great It says two servings per container, So this
Speaker 4: little bag it says two serving sizes, and so in
Speaker 4: terms of how much caffeine.
Speaker 3: It doesn't say the.
Speaker 1: Coffee, yeah, do you want more milk? For sure?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I really I like those better than the
Speaker 2: ones I got for Christmas, which was in like a
Speaker 2: clear plastic container. So maybe it wasn't a Trader Joe's.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 4: Trader Joe's sells a different type that I've never had
Speaker 4: that is all one color. Yeah, and it might be
Speaker 4: it might be, Yeah, but I like these ones in
Speaker 4: the bags. I've never tried the other one, but I
Speaker 4: like this one because it has the variety of the different.
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit more chocolate on these.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of chocolate around them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah.
Speaker 4: So we tried that other, the Pocket Coffee coffee, and
Speaker 4: there was that texture, grainy texture that I think this shares,
Speaker 4: yeah with that, So I wonder if the Pocket Coffee
Speaker 4: uses like ground up espresso beans as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: That's how this came up. Love it discovered Pocket Coffee,
Speaker 1: which had a shot of espresso in each piece, which
Speaker 1: I continue to use mind blowing after lunch, and then
Speaker 1: these came up as sort of an alternative and delicious, delicious. Great.
Speaker 1: I would take it like on a road trip.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you get like a little sleepy, there's nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with it's s verging on dangerous.
Speaker 4: I know it's hard because like you kind of can't
Speaker 4: stop very but but like it's a small bag.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't you're right, So it doesn't say how
Speaker 2: much caffeine, isn't.
Speaker 3: It I just can't read. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: Does not.
Speaker 1: But I'll let you know. Yeah, believe me, I'll let
Speaker 1: you know. If it's a lot, your will be able
Speaker 1: to just four? Yeah, really really good, hold on.
Speaker 3: So many coin and my teeth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a stress of you.
Speaker 2: Know too, Well, this was super fun. I don't want
Speaker 2: to call out to listeners too if they have any
Speaker 2: products that they think are like a little bit on
Speaker 2: the outskirts.
Speaker 1: Of mainstream and want to try, like we're not.
Speaker 2: Like we did a nice taste us of very mainstream coffee. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that was fun. But like I think the products
Speaker 2: outside of it, the experimental, like what are how are
Speaker 2: we expanding the genre?
Speaker 1: Tell us what to try? Should we try a mushroom coffee?
Speaker 1: Should we try?
Speaker 2: Maybe we should?
Speaker 1: Maybe we should have. We talked about mushroom coffee, we've
Speaker 1: talked about it, but we've not tried it. We've not
Speaker 1: tried it. Sherry Shepherd was is on the mushroom coffee
Speaker 1: and mushroom tea train. Yeah, we had her on off
Speaker 1: the cup and it is. I actually bypassed a mushroom
Speaker 1: coffee coffee news story today that I was gonna do
Speaker 1: but then decided not to. But it is. It is
Speaker 1: a thing much talked about. Yeah, so we should probably
Speaker 1: try it. But yeah, I love that idea. If people
Speaker 1: want to write us off the cop cup off two
Speaker 1: PE's at gmail dot com and tell us, tell us
Speaker 1: what else to try? Yeah, what do I gotta go get?
Speaker 1: I'll go get it, all right, I will go get
Speaker 1: it and bring it in and we'll try it.
Speaker 3: Well. I really do love this low key coffee, so
Speaker 3: thanks for bringing it in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's delicious. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do like the black much prefer the black yeailla
Speaker 2: personal preference. Yeah, yeah, I just don't like flavors.
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Okay, coffee onto onto
Speaker 1: coffee news. Okay, you do some news about it me
Speaker 1: please brute. Okay, this story is weird. Here's the headline.
Speaker 1: Scientists used electricity on coffee and discovered what makes it
Speaker 1: taste good.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm picturing what are like Frankie Young Drankenstein.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, run a current through it, see what happens? Like,
Speaker 1: what how does that relate to taste? I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you asked. This doesn't answer it. I just want you
Speaker 1: to know. Okay, I don't have this answer. No, this
Speaker 1: is such a weird story. It's it almost came come
Speaker 1: out like prematurely, the story they say. Researchers used a
Speaker 1: battery testing tool to identify coffee's chemical fingerprint. University of
Speaker 1: Oregon researchers repurposed a tool called a potentiostat, typically used
Speaker 1: to test batteries, to send an electrical current through coffee.
Speaker 1: Through the simple process, they were able to identify coffee's
Speaker 1: chemical fingerprint that determines the drink's flavor. Quote. It's an
Speaker 1: objective way to make a statement about what people like
Speaker 1: in a cup of coffee. University chemist Christopher Hendon, the
Speaker 1: lead researcher, known around campus as doctor Coffee, send in
Speaker 1: a news release, pause, doctor.
Speaker 2: Coffee, doctor Coffee. Now I'm interested in having him on
Speaker 2: the Yeah, doctor.
Speaker 1: First of all, there is a mister Coffee so good
Speaker 1: that he has that degree, right, he is of coffee.
Speaker 3: Don't call him, mister coffee.
Speaker 1: I love this. Traditional tests mainly focus on measuring the
Speaker 1: strength of coffee, yet many other factors go into the
Speaker 1: way coffee tastes, including roast color and extraction strength. Now
Speaker 1: they say, until now, we haven't been able to separate
Speaker 1: those variables. Now we can diagnose what gives rise to
Speaker 1: that delicious cup. But they don't tell you what that is.
Speaker 1: They say, it's basically a little early on.
Speaker 2: In the research as an announcement saying we are doing this.
Speaker 1: This is saying we have an announcement.
Speaker 3: It's happy, Yeah, one day, plugged in the coffee.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make an announcement one day, and it says.
Speaker 1: The interesting bit here is that now we have a
Speaker 1: way to access the subjective quality and the taste and
Speaker 1: flavor of coffee using quantifiable measurements, which means we could
Speaker 1: start seeing a serious improvement in the coffee game across
Speaker 1: all coffee shops over years. So I mean this is
Speaker 1: a lot of like one day, yeah, we could maybe
Speaker 1: in the future figure out what makes a cup of
Speaker 1: coffee taste good by sticking a current in it, I guess,
Speaker 1: But they didn't really tell us what.
Speaker 2: Maybe we should reach out and tell him to send
Speaker 2: us the results. Doctor may have them, and then we
Speaker 2: could do like a mini in you.
Speaker 1: Let's have doctor coffee on the pod. Obviously, definitely, And
Speaker 1: I have about questions, yeah, about how it got that
Speaker 1: going and when it's it finishing. It's not like a
Speaker 1: long term study. Yeah right, forty years later? Okay, interesting
Speaker 1: another study I did not need. I did not need it.
Speaker 1: Your morning coffee could be making you more tired, experts one.
Speaker 3: Well, yours was that?
Speaker 1: Yes? Your problem?
Speaker 2: Yeah again, this is so.
Speaker 1: Obvious.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Caffeine can create a roller coaster effect that leaves coffee
Speaker 1: drinkers more fatigued than before, says dietician. If you're reaching
Speaker 1: for a cup of coffee to wake up, you may
Speaker 1: ultimately be making yourself even more tired. Caffeine is highly
Speaker 1: effective at temporarily suppressing fatigue, but often can be a
Speaker 1: band aid that doesn't address underlying lifestyle.
Speaker 3: Factors like going to sleep.
Speaker 1: Feels like they're judging me, like I caused this problem
Speaker 1: to do last night suddenly at forty five, or whenever
Speaker 1: this happened to me suddenly, I was I am the
Speaker 1: reason why caffeine suddenly stopped working Okay, you can think
Speaker 1: of it like a roller coaster. What comes up must
Speaker 1: come down. Lisa Moskovitz, a registered dietitian and founder of
Speaker 1: ny Nutrition Group, author of the Core three Healthy eating Plan,
Speaker 1: told Fox News digital caffeine will stimulate you and give
Speaker 1: you an energy boost, but eventually that wears off, and
Speaker 1: when it does, you can expect to feel even more
Speaker 1: tired than before. We're all aware of the crash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the sugar crash, the caffeine crash. We're all aware of this.
Speaker 1: This is not what was happening to me entirely. I
Speaker 1: wasn't getting the jolt and then a crash. I was
Speaker 1: just crashing. There was no upper about it. It was
Speaker 1: just you are tired, now go to bed. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, it says if your coffee dependent, the question
Speaker 1: is why do you need to drink so much coffee
Speaker 1: throughout the day.
Speaker 3: He's definitely a touch.
Speaker 1: Are you not sleeping enough or eating properly? If so,
Speaker 1: drinking caffeine will only make both issues worse. This is
Speaker 1: like the worst thing therapist who said, I'm sorry you're sad.
Speaker 1: Get over it. What are you doing to make yourself sad?
Speaker 1: You asked for this, Yes, you did this to yourself. Okay,
Speaker 1: we talked about Switzerland a little bit. Yeah, Swiss water.
Speaker 2: Brings us back to those beautiful green hills.
Speaker 1: I read this crazy story how Switzerland became the land
Speaker 1: of coffee. I do not associate it.
Speaker 2: I do not at all, but you will after this
Speaker 2: only the sound of music.
Speaker 1: Only. Brazil exports more coffee than Switzerland.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 1: Now, it's not made, it's not sourced in Switzerland, but
Speaker 1: it is imported to Switzerland, where it crushes. Okay, how
Speaker 1: did a small country where the climate makes it impossible
Speaker 1: to grow coffee become the world's second largest coffee exporter.
Speaker 1: Switzerland has achieved something economically the devisal logic, with an
Speaker 1: export value of around four point two billion. The small
Speaker 1: country is only just behind Brazil in terms of coffee exports,
Speaker 1: but ahead of giants like Columbia, Ethiopia and Vietnam.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: The coffee beans are imported to Switzerland for around five
Speaker 1: dollars per kilogram. When they leave the roasting plant, they're
Speaker 1: worth twenty six point eight perkilo. Wow. So that is
Speaker 1: a giant margin, giant markup, giant increase in value. It
Speaker 1: makes it switzerland most important agricultural export way more than
Speaker 1: cheese and chocolate wow. More so they do the roasting right. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what happens is the green coffee meaning the beans
Speaker 1: are always delivered, almost always delivered to Europe via the
Speaker 1: Rhine River. The beans first reached seaports such as Antwerp,
Speaker 1: Rotterdam and Hamburg, where they're transported up the Rhine by
Speaker 1: barge to Basel, Switzerland, where many of the large green
Speaker 1: coffee trading companies have set up shop. Okay, so in
Speaker 1: and around Lake Geneva it's referred to as Coffee Valley
Speaker 1: because there you have nesle Is headquartered there, which also
Speaker 1: has Nescafe and Espresso. Okay, those are the industry's technology leaders.
Speaker 1: They are based in Switzerland. They do the roasting. It
Speaker 1: is also the undisputed leader in the market for coffee machines.
Speaker 1: Seventy percent of all machines come from Switzerland.
Speaker 4: That makes it and that's that wouldn't even be included
Speaker 4: in the bean in the It's.
Speaker 1: Just all and there's more. These are all factors that
Speaker 1: make Switzerland a very important coffee wow place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the swissno mechanics they do.
Speaker 1: And Swiss precision is part is part of why those
Speaker 1: coffee makers have been so successful, but it's also due
Speaker 1: to its role as a commodity trading center. Sixty to
Speaker 1: seventy percent of the global green coffee trade in the
Speaker 1: world passes through the Swiss desks and their market their
Speaker 1: stock marketing. Wow. Yeah, so it's there's more than forty
Speaker 1: members of the Swiss Coffee Trade Association and they control
Speaker 1: half of the green coffee trade worldwide.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And finally, Espresso produces the capsules for the global market,
Speaker 1: the ca cups, curry cups, whatever, for the global market
Speaker 1: exclusively in three factories in Switzerland. It's also a major
Speaker 1: exporter of instant coffee and other highly processed specialties. So
Speaker 1: like it does it all. Yeah, it's doing the machines,
Speaker 1: it's it's roasting the beans, it's trading the beans, it's
Speaker 1: making the instance, it's making the k cups. Like it's
Speaker 1: got it all. Isn't that fascinating that.
Speaker 2: Number you originally suggest or said with regards to like
Speaker 2: the roasted beans. It makes me feel like whatever they're
Speaker 2: doing the roast, I want to know more about how
Speaker 2: they roast what you know?
Speaker 1: Yes, what that means? And like yeah, because it's got
Speaker 1: nothing to do with their climate or their you know,
Speaker 1: it's not their beans that they are imported, but it
Speaker 1: is technique and whatever they've figured out.
Speaker 2: Again, maybe the machining, Yeah, maybe the machines.
Speaker 4: Well, and when you mentioned the profit margin, it made
Speaker 4: me assume initially that it was all going to be
Speaker 4: like the most expensive coffee in the world, high end stuff.
Speaker 4: But no, in the Nestli the cakes like mass market
Speaker 4: mass coffee.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they have very high end and I'm sure
Speaker 1: they have very mass market, but like, you would never
Speaker 1: have thought of Switzerland. We've done these all the time
Speaker 1: where it's like name the place in the world you
Speaker 1: think that as the most coffee drinkers are the best coffee,
Speaker 1: Switzerland never comes up. No, we go Italy, we go France,
Speaker 1: you know, Vietnam, whatever, but we never.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm thinking of it in terms of process
Speaker 2: and machinery. Then does make sense, but it takes a
Speaker 2: few jumps to get there.
Speaker 3: You need to do a trip to Switzerland.
Speaker 2: I think we are live coffee from Switzerland, coffee airplane.
Speaker 4: Take the coffee airplane which Jet Blue Duncan plane to Switzerland,
Speaker 4: and I need a tour of those factories.
Speaker 1: For sure. I love that story and I feel smarter
Speaker 1: about coffee. Yeah, she's the point. Okay, Uh, this is
Speaker 1: real annoying. So I had mentioned earlier RTDs. This is
Speaker 1: the ready to drink, to drink category which is exploding
Speaker 1: for coffee. Right Starbucks rt D Coffee and Protein. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got a new product. I'm not mad at this product,
Speaker 1: but I'm mad at this launch. Okay. The new rt
Speaker 1: D Starbucks Coffee and Protein beverage is now available, blending
Speaker 1: premium Starbucks coffee with twenty two grams of complete protein.
Speaker 1: That's a great amount of protein, five grams of prebiotic fiber,
Speaker 1: five vitamins and minerals, and two grams of sugar. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now everyone's interested in like making their beverages.
Speaker 3: Do extra work, special protein, very protein.
Speaker 1: You need to bulk up the protein for you know,
Speaker 1: keto diets, for GLP ones. I mean, people are really
Speaker 1: into protein. I'm into protein because I get I get
Speaker 1: little blood sugar Like, I need to keep protein in
Speaker 1: my system, So I'm into putting protein in places it
Speaker 1: hasn't normally been. My problem with this is the launch.
Speaker 1: It's very it's pushing my coffee in a direction I
Speaker 1: don't enjoy. I don't like it. You know what, Duncan
Speaker 1: would never do this.
Speaker 4: It's turning your coffee into kind of like a bro
Speaker 4: I'm at Jim bro Yes.
Speaker 2: Is it the personality not the product?
Speaker 3: Yes, Joe Rogan would like this type of.
Speaker 1: You're one hundred percent right or like let's say, let's
Speaker 1: say Joanne Rogan. Okay, you'll know what that means in
Speaker 1: a second. Starbucks is also introducing, in tandem with this
Speaker 1: Protein RTD, the limited edition Starbucks Weighted Vest, created a
Speaker 1: partnership with Kalana Barfield Brown, founder of fashion and lifestyle
Speaker 1: brand KBB by Kalana, available for purchase nationwide for twenty
Speaker 1: two dollars, a nod to the twenty two grams of
Speaker 1: complete protein in every botty Oh God. Starbucks is also
Speaker 1: teaming up with leading fitness app Strava, the app for
Speaker 1: active people, to launch an inn app challenge. Don't challenge
Speaker 1: me to do anything other than drink my coffee. I
Speaker 1: don't need any other challenges from my coffee.
Speaker 3: I think it's challenging enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't need pressure from my coffee to get
Speaker 1: to the gym. As you go do that walk?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Wait, what even is a weighted Is this like
Speaker 3: an exercise?
Speaker 1: Where have you been? This is why I say, Joanna Brogan,
Speaker 1: because women have discovered the weighted vest.
Speaker 2: You can't just walk anymore. No, no, no, no, you have
Speaker 2: to throw twenty pounds on. You can't even just run
Speaker 2: go for a job. That's not enough be at the gym.
Speaker 2: You need to be weighted at every part of your body.
Speaker 1: Especially you're not often in the suburbs, but if you
Speaker 1: ventured out to the suburbs, you would see eighteen in
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Eighteen moms walking with weighted vests. It is.
Speaker 1: It's not just women, but like it's for sure. Women
Speaker 1: have propelled this. If you'd like to see this, there's
Speaker 1: a pouch on the weighted vest for your new protein coffee.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, sure, in a I would say, inconvenient spot,
Speaker 4: right in the middle of the back.
Speaker 1: It's in the middle of your back. Yeah, how am
Speaker 1: I reaching?
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of like what the bikers do. So
Speaker 2: they have these long pockets that stretch across the bottom
Speaker 2: of the back that you can easily like, well, I
Speaker 2: get sort of easily side, but I can't from the
Speaker 2: battle is the very middle.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like lift it up. You've got to
Speaker 1: lift it out of that pouch.
Speaker 2: To me, it feels like if it were longer, it's
Speaker 2: a sword that you could grab.
Speaker 1: That's where it is. It's not it's it's there's a
Speaker 1: short little can of coffee, short little bottle of coffee
Speaker 1: in it. It's in the middle of your back where
Speaker 1: you could not reach it from the top or the bottom.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like where your zip, where your zipper
Speaker 2: goes when you're like and I can no longer reach
Speaker 2: the zipper exactly.
Speaker 1: But not only do you have to reach it, you
Speaker 1: have to pull it up and out. I don't understand
Speaker 1: the design that coffee all over you know.
Speaker 2: What it should be is like it should be sideways,
Speaker 2: like at an angle, so you could pull it out
Speaker 2: and then yeah, then almost start some momentum there already.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny. I'm just realizing I saw this guy.
Speaker 2: I did see a woman with a weighted vest when
Speaker 2: I was out in the park the other day, and
Speaker 2: then out of context, I was walking down the street
Speaker 2: and saw a guy with a weighted vest, and I
Speaker 2: was like, is that a bullet proof right? It's a
Speaker 2: different look on a guy, right, so confused and you know,
Speaker 2: like the woman had like it was like a little
Speaker 2: bit of color, but his was just.
Speaker 1: Like straight up black tactical.
Speaker 2: And I was like, this man is not like he
Speaker 2: definitely like later I was like, oh that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it has a different look on a guy. Well,
Speaker 1: this says fueled by strong interest and weighted vests on
Speaker 1: social media. The design supports movement and style with a
Speaker 1: bust silhouette five pounds of customizable weights for resistance in
Speaker 1: a dedicated pocket size. Perfectly hold your RTD Starbucks coffee
Speaker 1: and protein.
Speaker 3: A bespoke silhouette. So is it like a corset?
Speaker 1: It was like it does? It does have a corset field,
Speaker 1: it does it? You can see that Shad had a waist.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I don't need.
Speaker 3: That bad yesterday. This is the new spanks.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at the protein coffee, but don't move
Speaker 1: this into like like fitness category.
Speaker 2: Don't like the need for productivity with everything that we do.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean, Like I would just like to
Speaker 2: have a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: And Mason enjoy it does everything and do I have
Speaker 1: to be multitasking at everything. Can I just do the
Speaker 1: one thing, drink the coffee.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know what's going to happen is like
Speaker 2: in soon any day now or maybe a couple of years,
Speaker 2: it'll be all these studies about the adverse effect of
Speaker 2: all this protein that we're packing in so much, I
Speaker 2: mean the carbs.
Speaker 1: I I'm really I'm going heavy on the protein. I
Speaker 1: do protein in my coffee, and that's again twofold, that's protein.
Speaker 1: But also the protein comes from bovine collagen, and that
Speaker 1: collagen is you could only increase your collagen project production,
Speaker 1: excuse me, by ingesting it. So you see all these
Speaker 1: topical collagen creams. They don't work. The collagen molecule is
Speaker 1: too big to be absor or by the skin. So
Speaker 1: those are a joke. They're a waste of money. They
Speaker 1: are a total scam. If you have a lotion that
Speaker 1: says collagen in it, it'll feel and look great, but
Speaker 1: it will not do it. It's not being observed.
Speaker 2: And we had that doctor on who confirms.
Speaker 1: Exactly it will exactly what. I'm kind of a board
Speaker 1: certified gromatologist on the on the side, anyway, I want
Speaker 1: need a doctor to tell me what I know but sure,
Speaker 1: she did confirm. But so I like getting you know,
Speaker 1: powder collagen because that does help your skin and your
Speaker 1: bones and all of that. So it's multifunctional. But then
Speaker 1: I'll do another clear collagen protein in like water later
Speaker 1: in the day. It's like a lot of protein. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of protein powder. If this ends up being
Speaker 1: bad for me, I'm locked, okay, because I've got all in,
Speaker 1: all in on protein. I'm loving it so far, like
Speaker 1: really loving the feel. And I've noticed, you know, skin
Speaker 1: different and says yeah, I'm yeah, it's good. So I
Speaker 1: hope it stays good. Okay, this is great. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I realized this. Did you realize this Duncan
Speaker 1: left Canada? Did you know that?
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the last Duncan left Canada, it was in
Speaker 1: Quebec and it left in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Wow, has been in Canada in eight years.
Speaker 1: I've been to Canada several times since then, and how
Speaker 1: have I just not noticed I know, no dunks. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is pretty crazy. So they could discuss sqeeze now.
Speaker 1: So Canadian restaurant operator food Tastic has signed a master
Speaker 1: franchising agreement with Inspire Brands, which owns Duncan, to open
Speaker 1: hundreds of new Duncans across Canada.
Speaker 3: They're coming back, They're going back.
Speaker 1: We're going to.
Speaker 2: Try one more time, but going back. This time it's
Speaker 2: going to stick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Food Tastic will have exclusive rights to develop the dunk
Speaker 1: brand national through both corporate and franchise operated locations, with
Speaker 1: the first expected to open in late twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: or early twenty twenty seven. Currently, there are more than
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand Duncan locations and more than forty locations around
Speaker 1: the world, following the creation of the first store in Quincy,
Speaker 1: mass in the United States. The first Canadian Duncan opened
Speaker 1: in Montreal in nineteen sixty one, but the emergence of
Speaker 1: local competitors such as Tim Horton sought decline in the region,
Speaker 1: with a last franchisee location in Quebec closing in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Quote bringing Duncan back to Canada is a significant growth
Speaker 1: opportunity for food Tastic in our partners across the country,
Speaker 1: says food Tastic founder and CEO Peter Mamas. That's exciting,
Speaker 1: that is exciting, but.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know that it feels like the
Speaker 2: right time to.
Speaker 3: Be like importing Americans sporting.
Speaker 2: American stuff, especially when like what that failure proves is
Speaker 2: that we are really loyal to our local thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are the perfect example.
Speaker 2: Duncan Donuts is like a Massachusetts thing, New England thing,
Speaker 2: and you live and die by Duncan Donuts like Tim Hortons,
Speaker 2: and when you talk to Canadians, it's just like that's
Speaker 2: the thing that's right, so, you know, and they're not
Speaker 2: They're not like super excited about.
Speaker 1: Us right now.
Speaker 2: No, it is a weird time to bring it back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that said, we don't speak. I like their perseverance, you know,
Speaker 2: you know why not.
Speaker 1: I have to think that the genius is a Duncan
Speaker 1: and they are geniuses, have done the research to know
Speaker 1: that this is going to work. It's going to work
Speaker 1: for them, or they wouldn't reintroduce yea, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Believe we have a There was like a there was
Speaker 2: a news item about Tim Hortons that they were taken
Speaker 2: over by someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or that they were becoming American or.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think they moved their headquarters to like Miami.
Speaker 2: There's something there must be something there.
Speaker 4: It's like Freaky Friday for the coffee shops. All the
Speaker 4: Tim Hortons are going to wake up and be like,
Speaker 4: I'm a Duncan.
Speaker 1: Get Tan in Miami and all the Dunks are up
Speaker 1: in Canada. That's so funny. Well, Tim Hortons is not
Speaker 1: taking this line down.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Of course is of course not h B story. Okay,
Speaker 1: day two stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tim Horton's launch his new RTD range. Canadian coffee chain
Speaker 1: Tim Hortons has released a new ready to drink product
Speaker 1: in national grocery stores ahead of summer. It's RTD Ice
Speaker 1: coffee comes in three flavors, medium roast, black, vanilla, and caramel,
Speaker 1: with its iced coffee syrups coming in cappuccino and mocha flavors.
Speaker 1: News of the launch comes just days after it was
Speaker 1: announced the United States coffee chain Duncan will be making
Speaker 1: its return to Canada for the first time in almost
Speaker 1: a decade. I love it. The rise coffee wars of
Speaker 1: Tim Hortons has been cited as a key reason for
Speaker 1: Duncan's downfall in the region. However, the new deal between
Speaker 1: Duncan's parent company, Inspire Brands and fantastic. We'll see hundreds
Speaker 1: of locations open around the country. So it's interesting because
Speaker 1: at a time when coffee's so expensive. I think I
Speaker 1: just saw the latest market reports that it's up eighteen percent. Oh,
Speaker 1: people feel that that's a lot. That's not three percent,
Speaker 1: that's not a couple like a sense, that's eighteen percent.
Speaker 1: And everyone's feeling that. So there's this little coffee war
Speaker 1: happening north of the border, which is really fine. And
Speaker 1: maybe coffee's booming up there and they're seeing this as
Speaker 1: mutually advantageous, mutually beneficial. Yeah, a good competition. We shall
Speaker 1: see my final story. Really fine. Okay, apparently there's a
Speaker 1: category of video games. Okay, okay, very excited to well,
Speaker 1: Jaric literally.
Speaker 4: Sat up in his yes, well, yeah, keep going. There
Speaker 4: was something about video games that I wanted to also
Speaker 4: mention this. Maybe it'll be something similar.
Speaker 1: So, just just by way of background, I did not
Speaker 1: grow up playing video games. I know everyone else was
Speaker 1: that was. I grew up when everyone was playing Super
Speaker 1: Mario Brothers and everything.
Speaker 3: I just didn't.
Speaker 1: My son plays video games now and I'm it's a
Speaker 1: foreign language.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're behind.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to use the things.
Speaker 2: They are tricky and they're not really made for adult hands.
Speaker 1: No and no, and he's you know, a million games
Speaker 1: and I don't know what is what and what does what?
Speaker 1: And there are a thousand categories. Apparently there is a
Speaker 1: category of video game where you just sit in a
Speaker 1: coffee shop and animated coffee shop, drink coffee, talk to strangers, oh,
Speaker 1: and have like a really vibe, relaxing time that sounds
Speaker 1: lovely like check out. I might have to do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would be a place for you and
Speaker 2: Jack to meet.
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me let me describe this a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, So the news is Coffee Talk Tokyo
Speaker 1: is coming out May twenty first for PS five switch
Speaker 1: switched to Xbox Windows in Mac. Coffee Talk Tokyo is
Speaker 1: the third game in the urban fantasy visual novel Cafe
Speaker 1: simulator Oh my God, a third who where you run
Speaker 1: a cafe that serves a colorful cast of characters in
Speaker 1: a world that blends both mundane and the fantastical. This
Speaker 1: writer says, I adored the first game and its sequels
Speaker 1: set in Seattle, and I'm curious to see how the
Speaker 1: nightlife of Tokyo affects the coffee, drinks, and patronage in
Speaker 1: this installment. Given how heartfelt and memorable the choice heavy
Speaker 1: narratives of the series have been in the past, I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to discovering the daily goings on of people
Speaker 1: from all walks of life looking for a decent cup
Speaker 1: of coffee and seeing how things ultimately play out for
Speaker 1: them after the beverages are served. The visuals look vibrant.
Speaker 1: The soundtrack promises to be more low fi, calming goodness
Speaker 1: that we've come to expect, hopefully ensuring we'll all want
Speaker 1: to come back for another cup. When Coffee Talk Tokyo
Speaker 1: releases later this week and you can see some of
Speaker 1: the animation.
Speaker 2: Oh cute.
Speaker 1: They're sitting in this cute vibe coffee shop and they're
Speaker 1: chatting with each other. I love the mixtape you made me.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued, like this is the This is a mixtape.
Speaker 1: Game for me. Yeaheah, totally. This is a zone out, yeah,
Speaker 1: low stake, escape, get lost, no pressure. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to jump toadstools and survive at the best of big falls.
Speaker 1: I'm just ordering coffee and having brief interactions with people shooting,
Speaker 1: not shooting anyone. No one's trying to kill me. I'm
Speaker 1: not running from anything. No, it's really cute. I can
Speaker 1: play at have coffee, Yes.
Speaker 2: And then you can see that's your low key coffee
Speaker 2: at any time of day.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: So Derek familiar with it.
Speaker 4: So I didn't realize it was a whole genre. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's amazing. I have a switch to and I was
Speaker 4: just kind of browsing the digital store and I noticed
Speaker 4: there was a game that was like Coffee something, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I gotta play that, but I
Speaker 4: was gonna save. I wasn't gonna bring it up until
Speaker 4: I actually started playing it. Yes, but I should just
Speaker 4: bring my switch. I should get one of these games.
Speaker 4: I should bring my switch in and we should.
Speaker 3: You should. You should play it on air. That would
Speaker 3: be fun. But but yeah, these visual novels I haven't.
Speaker 4: I should also say too, I didn't grow up with
Speaker 4: very many video games either, but I but as an adult,
Speaker 4: I have like aspired to become a gamer, and I
Speaker 4: honestly have not really succeeded. Like I I will like
Speaker 4: get the consoles, and I've like occasionally there'll be a
Speaker 4: game that I can really get get into. But I
Speaker 4: think video games are such a cool like art form
Speaker 4: and they evolves so much into into what you can do.
Speaker 4: And the visual novels is interesting because it's literally just
Speaker 4: like a story that unfolds, and there's a lot of
Speaker 4: like reading in that genre of game. It has like
Speaker 4: the dialogue and it's it's nothing really like happens necessarily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I say choice heavy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well coffee, there'll be like an option of what
Speaker 4: you can choose to respond to say.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like I choose your own adventure book.
Speaker 4: But like happening live in front of you sounds fun,
Speaker 4: So I'll definitely bring it. Okay, that'll be my next
Speaker 4: assignment is to get one of these games and bring
Speaker 4: it in.
Speaker 3: We can try it.
Speaker 1: I'd love to try it. I'm not trying to encourage
Speaker 1: more video game playing at my house, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting Just recently my son I think
Speaker 1: there's some interesting pressure at school to not be as
Speaker 1: much on devices, because he came home and he's like, Mom,
Speaker 1: do you think I'm an iPad kid? I was like, yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I don't need a limit about that. We limit it.
Speaker 1: It's he can only do it on weekends and only
Speaker 1: for a couple hours on weekends. But like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: definitely are because he's not out playing sports, right, We've
Speaker 1: talked about he's into coding. He's going to coding camp
Speaker 1: Copewter camp over the summer and he loves to code
Speaker 1: and do video games and yeah. So I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you definitely are, and he's like, well, I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to be. I said why and he said, because the
Speaker 1: kids at school are like, oh, you know, who are
Speaker 1: the iPad kids and who are the like touch grass kids.
Speaker 1: They're saying that language in fifth grade. I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, peer pressure my kid. More.
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounds good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Kids will find so many different ways to bully each other.
Speaker 1: Yesing is happening in the correct direction. More. Yeah, bring
Speaker 1: it on.
Speaker 2: Do you want to go outside and touch grass? You
Speaker 2: can do that right now exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm like, JJ, you bring it on, kid, bring it
Speaker 1: to bring it to my kid.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of one of my favorite Doctor Seuss books,
Speaker 4: The Sneeches.
Speaker 3: You were familiar with this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great, and the whole premise of it is
Speaker 4: some these sneeches are these like people on this on
Speaker 4: the beaches, Nes on the Beaches, and I read it
Speaker 4: a lot as a kid. It's like a picture book,
Speaker 4: and some of them have stars on their bellies and
Speaker 4: so they're like special, like ooh, we have the stars ones.
Speaker 4: And then and then this guy comes into town and
Speaker 4: like gives them all stars, like, oh, you want a star,
Speaker 4: I'll give you a star. And then suddenly everybody has stars,
Speaker 4: and then it's oh, the people that.
Speaker 3: Don't have stars are the special ones. Now we'll do that.
Speaker 4: And then it just kind of goes back forth, and
Speaker 4: it's like a you know, like a metaphor for like
Speaker 4: you know, like discrimination of different different types and like
Speaker 4: better yes, and how like silly.
Speaker 3: It is, but this is what it is.
Speaker 4: Like, like sometimes the kids, like the cool kids are
Speaker 4: the ones that have all the cool devices, and then now.
Speaker 3: It's the kids that don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, it definitely started that way right when Jack
Speaker 1: was getting into Nintendo's and all of that, Like you
Speaker 1: had to have the Nintendo switch to you had to
Speaker 1: have the PS five, yeah, whatever, you had to be
Speaker 1: fluid in this language, and and that's you know, in
Speaker 1: part why you got into it. But you also just
Speaker 1: loved it it, but I'm loving this. And so this
Speaker 1: weekend we were upstate and it was gorgeous weekend finally,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I want to play catch, I
Speaker 1: want to go Can I go play with Dolly? And
Speaker 1: I didn't even have to do it. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It made me think of and I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've talked to you about this before, but I talk
Speaker 1: about this a lot in politics because people will will
Speaker 1: say I think we've talked about this because I brought
Speaker 1: up on the pod. But in politics, when people get
Speaker 1: very worried about what is going to happen in the future,
Speaker 1: with climate change, with domestic politics, with Trump, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I always like to say, well, you know, just because
Speaker 1: you can't foresee a solution out there in the future
Speaker 1: doesn't mean one isn't waiting out there. And I could
Speaker 1: drive myself crazy thinking about how am I going to
Speaker 1: get this kid unaddicted, you know, or from being addicted
Speaker 1: to this experiences out in the world. I would never
Speaker 1: have told you, well, maybe kids will just prussure him.
Speaker 2: Maybe the kids as what that is amazing.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy.
Speaker 4: It's so interesting how the conversations like the conversation that
Speaker 4: adults have trickle down and how this is how kids
Speaker 4: are picking up on the idea that it's cool or
Speaker 4: not cool.
Speaker 1: It's like he talked about this with someone. It might
Speaker 1: have been Sarah Spain, because she was talking about like, well,
Speaker 1: people still listen to radio, even though the media is changing.
Speaker 1: And I think she said, you know, people still want
Speaker 1: to watch big screen TVs for games and stuff. And
Speaker 1: there is this organic thing happening where kids are like
Speaker 1: wanting landlines to talk to their friends and they're rejecting,
Speaker 1: you know, watching movies on their phones. And you might
Speaker 1: see this sea change with all this technology that's meant
Speaker 1: to make life better, and I think people don't agree
Speaker 1: that it's making life better. It's making life impossible. I
Speaker 1: was just talking to John the other day because I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but Jackson Public School, there are
Speaker 1: a teen apps that I have to have to do stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for his school.
Speaker 1: There's an app to fund his lunch money. There's another
Speaker 1: app to tell school I'm picking him up early or
Speaker 1: dropping him off late. There's another app to get his grades.
Speaker 1: There's another app because you know, the public school bids
Speaker 1: on all these contracts, all these independent.
Speaker 2: You know, app tech has been pushing to get into
Speaker 2: education and it's going to be very difficult to extract it.
Speaker 1: But it's ruining my life. Yeah. No, it's ruining my
Speaker 1: life to have all these apps and know all these
Speaker 1: passwords and it takes me eight hours to figure out
Speaker 1: how to just like look at his grades.
Speaker 2: My friends who are teachers have said the same thing
Speaker 2: that you know, Hocal passed a band. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 2: phones in schools, yes, but the teachers are reliant on
Speaker 2: their phones often to take like attendance or communicate with others.
Speaker 2: So it's like, well, if you could just make that now.
Speaker 1: Streamlined, I know it's really frustrating. So I think there
Speaker 1: might you might get to this tipping point where the
Speaker 1: technology feels unproductive. Yeah, it actually feels productive.
Speaker 2: It's not benefiting us as humans.
Speaker 1: We're not enjoying the experience.
Speaker 2: My daughter turns eleven this month, and I'm essentially getting
Speaker 2: her a deconstructed phone. I'm getting a refurbished.
Speaker 1: iPod. Yes, she's getting a digital camera. Yes, yes, that's
Speaker 1: so great.
Speaker 2: It's probably a bag to put all the crap in
Speaker 2: like it is. Yes, it is annoying that you need
Speaker 2: all these things, but like we're very much like not
Speaker 2: going to get her a phone. So it's like, but
Speaker 2: I want her to have, like you know, she goes
Speaker 2: to Sleepway camp and she wants to do yeah, and
Speaker 2: also like she is desperate to walk around and listen
Speaker 2: to her own music.
Speaker 1: And I was like, do you do that?
Speaker 2: And there are like these small devices right yeah, they're
Speaker 2: all these like sort of Chinese made devices. I mean
Speaker 2: everything's made in China, but like you know, they're not
Speaker 2: attached to any brand. And then so I started Google
Speaker 2: around with refurbished stuff and people say they still work.
Speaker 2: Like the last generation of iPod, the seventh generation, which
Speaker 2: does have a little screen, but there's no internet access.
Speaker 2: I can't download apps. It's really just to do the thing.
Speaker 2: You do have to pay for the music. But I'm like, whatever,
Speaker 2: I will go back to that system.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at something like that for Jack because he
Speaker 1: is going he's going to private school next year for reasons.
Speaker 1: But and there's you can bring the phone, but you
Speaker 1: have to dock it, yeah, in the school lobby. But
Speaker 1: because they have to stay after school for they're required
Speaker 1: to say after school for a sport, theater something like that.
Speaker 1: In an extracurricular and they all go at different times.
Speaker 1: He needs a phone to be like I'm done, I
Speaker 1: need to be picked up. Fine, So I found this
Speaker 1: thing called gab. Did you see gab when you were researching?
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't go into the phone, but I
Speaker 2: talked to someone who I think it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's for calling out and calling in. Yeah, you can text,
Speaker 1: but I have all the controls you can you can
Speaker 1: make calls of that. That's the guess. What is the
Speaker 1: phone that you can make calls with? You can text,
Speaker 1: but you can also limit the people. There's no internet, right,
Speaker 1: it's not a smartphone. Yeah, but you can download certain games,
Speaker 1: so you know, just like Busy on the Bus games yea.
Speaker 1: And you can download music and choose music non explicit music,
Speaker 1: so like all the things he'd want it for. Yah,
Speaker 1: because he does want to text his friends and I
Speaker 1: don't let him do that yet, but you know, he'll
Speaker 1: be going away to school kind of kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: and he'll want to text his friends who don't live
Speaker 1: in his town, right, So I'm considering this, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they are coming up with all these things now because
Speaker 1: again I think I don't know we were once very
Speaker 1: amped on technology.
Speaker 2: They just they took it too far. They took the
Speaker 2: human out of it.
Speaker 1: But this has been a consistent theme over off the Cup,
Speaker 1: talking about social media and phones and kids and games
Speaker 1: and all of that. So it's evolving, it's evolving. I'll
Speaker 1: keep you posted on Jack's on Jack's evolution as to
Speaker 1: become a non iPad kid. I love it. We'll see
Speaker 1: if it lasts.
Speaker 2: I do, yeah, I hope it does. That. It's perfect
Speaker 2: timing with the weather, you know.
Speaker 1: It's perfect timing going into summer where he's going to
Speaker 1: be a camp all day anyway, and then great weather
Speaker 1: and running around and he's excited to start a new
Speaker 1: school and maybe you know, because it's like middle school,
Speaker 1: there's you know more.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like they sort of force them into
Speaker 2: mature or something.
Speaker 1: They do. They force they force them into a sport.
Speaker 1: It's no cut force them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so everyone has to take a sport, but they don't.
Speaker 1: They never cut you from a team or whatever, which
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 2: That was the same with my high school. You had
Speaker 2: to do something. You could do theater, you could do
Speaker 2: like a civil service type, yeah, a volunteering thing. But
Speaker 2: most kids just kick the soccer box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he has to do a sport. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's going to do growing Oh nice. Cool. And
Speaker 1: he has to do a choir or a band or
Speaker 1: a theater.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of things he has to do, which
Speaker 1: is great. And then there's after school clubs like all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. So anyway we need he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be home at you know, the usual hour. So I know.
Speaker 3: So that was a lot about ranging coffee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, what I love about coffee talking coffee, it's really
Speaker 1: it's like a vehicle to talk about anything.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything, just talk about your life. Coffee is life,
Speaker 1: what's going on with our kids, what's going on, you
Speaker 1: know with pop culture and our favorite stuff and travel,
Speaker 1: like it really is just such a gateway.
Speaker 3: And coffee is such a pro social food.
Speaker 2: Yesually, now that you're out being decaf, Yes, that's right, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm out. I'm hikey hike Yeah, I'm high visibility,
Speaker 1: low key, but high visibility.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks again to Low Key Coffee, and we will
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