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Speaker 1: today and again thoughts and prayers with Dan Brugler and
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Speaker 1: the weekend. But our good scouting buddy are my good
Speaker 1: scouting buddy, David Helman's good scouting buddy. Two Jeff Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: sitting in Welcome, Welcome, my friends. Sixth of the year.
Speaker 1: Oh you know which, what's even better about at might
Speaker 1: be the sixth man? What's even seventh? What's even better
Speaker 1: about you? As you're actually a Miller Lite spokesman. Yes
Speaker 1: I am, which makes a shirt on. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: three over the course of these two hours it's gonna
Speaker 1: be great. Yeah, And that's always fun to sit here
Speaker 1: and talk draft with you, and so thank you so
Speaker 1: much for sitting in again. Thoughts and prayers with Dame
Speaker 1: Brugler as we um as we go forward here. I'm
Speaker 1: always excited to work with Dave and somewhat excited to
Speaker 1: work with you. I know it's because you're tired of me.
Speaker 1: You're tired of me yelling at you is actually what
Speaker 1: the problem is with it. I'm nice. I'm nice to Jeff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are, You're very nice. Nice sir. All right, let's
Speaker 1: dive into this thing. You know, we had Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: and Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett talking today to the
Speaker 1: media about some things. I don't know if we got
Speaker 1: very much out of that. And you know, Stephen Jones, Dave,
Speaker 1: I think you were talking about I'll direct my questions
Speaker 1: to Stephen Jones, and if I want answers about the draft,
Speaker 1: that's who I'm going to. Just that's that's the reality
Speaker 1: of the modern situation. But Jerry might slip Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what Steven's not gonna slip on you. Well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a slip on Jerry then today and
Speaker 1: it's gonna marve you. One of my questions about the
Speaker 1: bomb slip. No, that was really a nice job at
Speaker 1: the station three. Your boys kind of got that one
Speaker 1: taking car button. We had the dumb but but let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Okay, Well, I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: some questions kind of what we learned about today, you
Speaker 1: know this talking or listening to Jerry Jones talk about
Speaker 1: the draft and Stephen Jones. And this is a question
Speaker 1: I have for you to start this thing off. Okay,
Speaker 1: do the cowboys like Vitavea more than they like Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley or DJ Moore? He took that right out of
Speaker 1: my Twitter lineup, which I think that was it? Okay,
Speaker 1: was that surprising to start out with? I mean the
Speaker 1: love that Jerry, but he obviously didn't say him by name,
Speaker 1: but man, if he wasn't he was talking to Vita,
Speaker 1: he had to have been right. And heaved the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from the University of Washington, right, I mean the
Speaker 1: ballerina truck. That's that's a ballerina truck. I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good I mean, Jerry, Jerry will slip up
Speaker 1: on you and give you a little more information than
Speaker 1: maybe you were looking for, which that totally happen and
Speaker 1: you kind of sit up and you're like, whoah, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: and how about that round? Everybody a doubt at the
Speaker 1: at the Star though, when immediately they're talking about tackle
Speaker 1: where they show the clips or TV guys all putting
Speaker 1: up Vita vea cliss like that. I'm gonna go back
Speaker 1: to what I've been saying since January, which is that
Speaker 1: I'll believe it when I see it. What do you
Speaker 1: think about that? He's he thinks to quick name the
Speaker 1: last defensive tackle the Cowboys drafted in the first round.
Speaker 1: You can, actually you can go ahead and name him. Well,
Speaker 1: if it happened in nineteen ninety one, it was Russell
Speaker 1: mary Russell Maryland nineteen nine when I was an infant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can ask when's the last time they took a
Speaker 1: one technique in the first six rounds? That's a good
Speaker 1: you want to go a decade and a half to
Speaker 1: find it. They just don't pick them. But do they
Speaker 1: see this guy differently? Though? They might? And if I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not I think they probably do too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you watch the dude's tape and he just throws people
Speaker 1: around like he can watch the Stanford game and they
Speaker 1: just Stephen Jones. Actually he contributed to that, and he
Speaker 1: was like, focus on pressure and I mean you watch
Speaker 1: VTA like that dude can pressure a quarterback. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's impossible. In fact, I think it's somewhat.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say likely. But if you're making
Speaker 1: a short list of possibilities, I think Vita veay and
Speaker 1: needs to be on it. But like I just I
Speaker 1: gotta see it to believe it. I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: just say that he's going to be the pick because
Speaker 1: there's twenty five years of history that say he's not.
Speaker 1: Let me attack it this way by asking more questions,
Speaker 1: because that's what we end up doing, right. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah. So when I've kicked this around
Speaker 1: and tried to create what I think is the perfect
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft, a lot of times I'm actually settling on
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman at nineteen because if you have to today,
Speaker 1: if you have to split hairs between Calvin Ridley and
Speaker 1: Dj Moore, and when you're talking about the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: we also really like a few other guys, whether it's
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton, at SMU, Anthony Miller at Memphis, Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: Colorado State, whatever it is, so you might have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to pick them again. Yeah, at nineteen, whichever offensive
Speaker 1: lineman I want, I'm not going to have another shot
Speaker 1: at somebody like that. At fifty, I don't think is
Speaker 1: vta vel like that? Are you going to have another chance?
Speaker 1: You'll have another chance to take a nose that can
Speaker 1: help you, But will you get anything like that? If
Speaker 1: you don't take him, you're not There're not gonna get
Speaker 1: a guy like Vita anywhere else, even if you get
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. So does that make the case for
Speaker 1: Vita over a receiver that you're not gonna he's gone?
Speaker 1: That I kind of guy's gone. I think you can
Speaker 1: substitute linebacker and you're having the same conversation what I
Speaker 1: don't like about linebacker, And we'll I'm sure we'll talk
Speaker 1: about this a lot. I don't like my choices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like my choices at receiver. I like my choices
Speaker 1: on O line. I like my choices at a lot
Speaker 1: of places. I don't like my choices at linebacker. Actually,
Speaker 1: you have not come off that, Oh, lineman, you and
Speaker 1: KT and have not come on. I think when you
Speaker 1: get there, if James Daniels is on the board, the
Speaker 1: Iowa center slash guard and we'll get in, you get
Speaker 1: a mock draft. Yeah right, If right into that, If
Speaker 1: Isaiah Winn is there, the Georgia left tackle that can
Speaker 1: play guard and has played guard, they'll probably be the
Speaker 1: best player on my board. Yea, Rashaun Evans or Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderesh won't be my number one player at nineteen. That's
Speaker 1: what I don't like. Yeah, no, I hear you. But
Speaker 1: that's the position and we know that need plays a
Speaker 1: bigger role than in people want to admit. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: just but's where if if you feel like their stack,
Speaker 1: if you had to look at their stack, if you
Speaker 1: had to guess their stack, how would you think they
Speaker 1: have it? Is Vita Vea over more Ridley, even Vanderish.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing it because he's a
Speaker 1: nose and I do think he's more than a nose,
Speaker 1: and I think they do too. And I'm glad you
Speaker 1: phrased it that way because that's the point, Like I
Speaker 1: think they put him on the short list. I can't,
Speaker 1: I just I can't go all the way there thinking
Speaker 1: he would be like their number one guy. Again, when
Speaker 1: there's twenty five years of experience with this ownership that
Speaker 1: says that that's not how they roll. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: remember a time and they didn't take offensive tackles either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they're drafting tackles or drafting
Speaker 1: guards or drafted centers. You know. I mean, maybe this
Speaker 1: is maybe it's just a thing that kind of helps
Speaker 1: them with the mic linebacker problems that they might have.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I feel like I need to repeat
Speaker 1: that I've said it before. Oh you have. But like
Speaker 1: people think I don't like Vita Vea because I just
Speaker 1: keep saying no, I don't. No, it's it's not that
Speaker 1: I don't like them, is that I don't think they'll
Speaker 1: draft him. But I think that's a good point. I
Speaker 1: think he helps your linebackers, he helps your defensive line. Like,
Speaker 1: I think it would be a great pick. I just
Speaker 1: can't convince myself that they would do it. Small move
Speaker 1: up remembered Stephen Jones was talking about up for James
Speaker 1: never drafted in the first round before. That would be
Speaker 1: that would be fun. He's a visit. He is so
Speaker 1: big dude. By that I mean, obviously, who who do
Speaker 1: have a better shot of trading up for They have
Speaker 1: a better shot at him or James Derwin, Derwin James,
Speaker 1: Vita vey or Derwin James a better shot in terms
Speaker 1: of who is a realistic option or who would they
Speaker 1: do it for realistic option. It's way more realistic that
Speaker 1: Vida Veya falls into that range than Derwin James. That's
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we saw yesterday. I'm not buying
Speaker 1: the Draft week smoke that he's falling, by the way
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be on. He's a top ten. Come.
Speaker 1: The guys have talked to you around the league, guys
Speaker 1: have talked to in scouts, not just I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about talking to there's guys around, guys and out talking
Speaker 1: about real real general Andrew guy. People around the league
Speaker 1: think Baker Mayfield's going number one to Cleveland too. I
Speaker 1: don't watching. I don't buy it. Oh, Jeff would love that.
Speaker 1: Why you hate Don Baker? Do you know who has
Speaker 1: the highest rated college season of all? Why are you
Speaker 1: trying to Who do you think it is? Who do
Speaker 1: you think it is? Probably Baker? Whose second? Baker may
Speaker 1: both Bankers? Yeah? I don't care. So yeah, all the
Speaker 1: sooner faithful in the crowd. Here, I'll all right, here
Speaker 1: we go. My next question for you guys, and again,
Speaker 1: so you're saying that to answer the question that think
Speaker 1: not higher than the receivers on the Davey and needs
Speaker 1: to be on your radar. But I cannot convince myself
Speaker 1: that they'll pick him and wiped out. Vander Esh is gone. Vanderesh,
Speaker 1: he's gone. Vanderesh and Evans are both going to be gone.
Speaker 1: Because fours aren't going on the top eighteen, then they
Speaker 1: won't be wiped out. Yeah, I I I will happen.
Speaker 1: I'll be there with you if oh no, you're gonna
Speaker 1: die on that hill with me. If he's the pick,
Speaker 1: I will eat all of the crow. I'll eat it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll look like an episode address. It'll behind Jeff Crowe
Speaker 1: goes good with Miller's it's a good point. My next
Speaker 1: question is, yeah, it goes excellent millerlete by the way, Okay,
Speaker 1: what projected first round pick makes you the most nervous
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh or Courtland Sudden guy is good questions? I'll well,
Speaker 1: I'll yes, no, Courtland Sutton, Courtland, Courtland Sutton because he
Speaker 1: strikes me, is this guy knows receivers. Now, I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see what he says. He strikes me as a problem.
Speaker 1: He's getting ready. Hey, how about how about the conversation
Speaker 1: going back to the press conference today that the Jones
Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett had about are you drafting the receiver
Speaker 1: who can help you the most on September ninth at
Speaker 1: Carolina or are you drafting the guy that's going to
Speaker 1: be a stud in four or five years? Sure? And
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that they said four to five
Speaker 1: years because they're talking about first round picks, and so
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there thinking like they're talking about more Slash
Speaker 1: Ridley verse Courtland Sutton. I think Vanderesh helps you more
Speaker 1: on day one. Yes, it's especially here, I think because
Speaker 1: you're starting middle linebacker. Do you agree with me that
Speaker 1: Vander has a higher floor because I mean, no, you
Speaker 1: don't think so. No, I don't love him, But what
Speaker 1: if what I love him? What if Courtland Sutton is
Speaker 1: when he gets drafted, you're gonna be the one that
Speaker 1: gets blamed. Now, this is a double bust factor. Vanderesh
Speaker 1: has a Bobby Carpenter bus factor, has a treadwell bust factor.
Speaker 1: They've got it. You can't just throw that name around,
Speaker 1: Carrol can It's a two hundred and fifty pound guy
Speaker 1: that measured as an incredible athlete that when we watched
Speaker 1: him play, we thought he was lighting the butt and
Speaker 1: wasn't a physical player. I'll tell you what. He makes
Speaker 1: some points about the take on stuff. I mean, everybody goes, oh,
Speaker 1: go watch the Organ tape, and I'm like, Organ's not
Speaker 1: blocking him. Crosby's blocking somebody else and not blocking vander Esh,
Speaker 1: you know, and Vanderesh is make it play. Now, you
Speaker 1: got to give him credit for that. He's making play.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great comparison because they both scare
Speaker 1: me in the same way. And that Courtland Sutton you
Speaker 1: watch him play in the fifty fifty ball. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: I'm not talking straight line speed, but the quickness and
Speaker 1: the agility for a guy of his size, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton ceiling is holy cowhigh. It's super high. No,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, but he's to me, he's not ready
Speaker 1: coming from that offense. It was so screen or fly
Speaker 1: and you're expecting vander Ish to play now he has
Speaker 1: to and Courtland Sutton you're kind of like everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: go Okay, it's kind of like Taco last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: week nine, when's it gonna start playing? When's you gotta
Speaker 1: you know, when's that gonna happen? Sutton has gone for him,
Speaker 1: as Jerry said at the press conference today, that they
Speaker 1: don't feel like they have the X to replace Dez.
Speaker 1: So we don't feel like we have that X to
Speaker 1: replace Des. Courtland Sutton is your prototype X over under
Speaker 1: twenty five catches for Courtland Sutton if he gets drafted
Speaker 1: nineteenth overall over, you're going over. Yeah, I'd go over
Speaker 1: thirty five. If you take him at nineteen, you gotta
Speaker 1: get him out there, do you? I think maybe half
Speaker 1: not maybe not for one hundred percent of the snaps,
Speaker 1: but fifty sixty. I just I don't want it. No
Speaker 1: projects hashtag no projects in twenty eight even then, don't
Speaker 1: pick vander Esh So you feel feel you feel worse
Speaker 1: about Vanderish than you do. Said, I would have him
Speaker 1: both if I made a time fifty like you did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd probably both be in the forties for me. Okay,
Speaker 1: So they're like it's close. They're both guys that if
Speaker 1: they're on my team. I'm excited about how good they
Speaker 1: can potentially be. Yeah, but I'm also nervous about the
Speaker 1: things that I don't love about them. Tough choice, Hunt,
Speaker 1: It is a tough choice. I see your next question too,
Speaker 1: and that's a tough Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: We did this yesterday. Kat was with us on the
Speaker 1: draft show. I hope you had a chance to go
Speaker 1: back and watch us. We did the mock draft for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. We didn't make a move, Helm and Kat
Speaker 1: and I decided to stay at fifty and not go
Speaker 1: to go to Indianapolis at thirty seven, thirty seven, thirty six,
Speaker 1: thirty seven, they got back to back picks. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we just we waited on it. What were you going
Speaker 1: to thirty seven four? The Portland Sutton? We were trying
Speaker 1: to pick the Cowboys. We were doing the Cowboys stuff.
Speaker 1: We were trying to get the thirty seven to get
Speaker 1: to get that player. It would have cost us eighty
Speaker 1: one to do it on the trip. What we we
Speaker 1: We We got band of band late, We got your boy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I'm saying. So we're gonna get vander Esh and
Speaker 1: Sutton and not have a Yeah? Yeah, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about that. Yeah, I love it. I love it
Speaker 1: so much. It could be too much. But should we
Speaker 1: have gone by sitting there? We ended up with Anthony Miller?
Speaker 1: Oh you did better sitting there? Okay? And we went
Speaker 1: all the way down though, and if we'd waited a
Speaker 1: little bit further, James Washington went like a ninety two
Speaker 1: ninety six somewhere right around there to Pittsburgh. Is that
Speaker 1: I don't love Washington, but at eighty one, I'm very
Speaker 1: interested in Washington. Um. I think the key here is
Speaker 1: you're saying for them, like, what would they do? Right?
Speaker 1: Because I think they would obviously probably prefer Cortland Sutton
Speaker 1: over Anthony Miller. We wouldn't, I wouldn't. Do you think
Speaker 1: he's there at fifty then Miller? Sutton? No, No, I
Speaker 1: think he's probably one of the top three receivers off
Speaker 1: the board. Okay, So all of a sudden, here we go,
Speaker 1: get ready, that's that there there, and they're gonna start
Speaker 1: running in the second which, well, see what we swin
Speaker 1: our mock draft though the way we did it, the
Speaker 1: way it played out, more corners went than receivers. We
Speaker 1: were kind of thinking. I was thinking, I know, I
Speaker 1: was I was thinking more about, Okay, there were gonna
Speaker 1: be more corners, us gonna be more receiver. Let's go
Speaker 1: in the top of the drafted being corners that were
Speaker 1: going off the bat butt. You have seven corners in
Speaker 1: the first two rounds something like that. Yeah, somewhere around
Speaker 1: seven wide receiver probably six or seven. Yeah, they're gonna go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go. Just the way it fell, it was
Speaker 1: kind of like, man, we've been set, but we got Miller,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we're I'm not against Miller. No,
Speaker 1: he's my top guy in the second round when it
Speaker 1: comes to wide receivers. I just he's he's a big
Speaker 1: wild card because I don't know how the Cowboys feel
Speaker 1: about him. I got you, here's my obligatory. Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: mentioned Michael talk about Michael Gallop then a little bit. Well,
Speaker 1: he's not a Cowboy visitor. I haven't seen that they
Speaker 1: have any super interest in him. But I haven't even
Speaker 1: and Colorado State full sized receiver talking about six, one, two,
Speaker 1: five to ten physical which out runner got a little
Speaker 1: bit of everything. Josh Allen threw him a ball in
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Beautiful. This I think this is an
Speaker 1: important thing to note because we make such a big
Speaker 1: deal out of the thirty visitors and the guys they work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do make a lot of and we should. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be their first pick. We should the first one.
Speaker 1: Their first round pick is always a visitor. Guys that
Speaker 1: that visit are always guys that are in their sights. Sure,
Speaker 1: but hey, we had a conversation with Ryan Switzer, like
Speaker 1: just the other day, didn't We're like, great work in
Speaker 1: the Star, you have lunch with the play Yeah, We're like, hey,
Speaker 1: what type of like what Fortnite with? Did you realize?
Speaker 1: How did that go? We had a decent he didn't
Speaker 1: have a headset, he didn't have a MIC six what
Speaker 1: We were like, hey, like, what what type of contact
Speaker 1: did you have with the Cowboys before they drafted you?
Speaker 1: He was like, uh, I talked to Bessaccio once for
Speaker 1: like ten minutes. Like, so the draft is completely unpredictable
Speaker 1: and the odds are that you're going to have to
Speaker 1: go away from your game plan. So we don't know
Speaker 1: anything about if the Cowboys are interested in Anthony Miller
Speaker 1: or Michael Gallup. But Gallop at fifty, what do you say?
Speaker 1: I'm just because they didn't visit the Star and didn't
Speaker 1: you know, aren't linked to the Cowboys. That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: We know it's a pretty good roadmap for what they're
Speaker 1: going to do in the first round, but everything after
Speaker 1: that is on the table as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: And you know, in twenty eighteen NFL teams are turning
Speaker 1: over every stone. So I don't think you should let
Speaker 1: that write you off, basically is what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, you just gotta see how the board falls.
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Speaker 1: and you should too. So my third questions for a
Speaker 1: third question for you guys is who has a better
Speaker 1: rookie season? Dallas Goder or Hayden Hurst. I'll take Hurst.
Speaker 1: Those are the two tight ends. Dallas Goder from South
Speaker 1: Dakota State and Hayden Hurst South Carolina. Hurst is an
Speaker 1: old man. Old men have advantages coming into the NFL.
Speaker 1: What does he twenty five or so. Hayden Hurst was
Speaker 1: a college baseball players. People are asking me about that
Speaker 1: by the way, about the yea get too, well, It's interesting,
Speaker 1: isn't it. They're like, Okay, do you worry about him
Speaker 1: not being able to catch the ball? Right? Does he
Speaker 1: get the yips about catching the foot? Why are we
Speaker 1: talking about tight ends? I just thought I just wanted
Speaker 1: to know. Why wouldn't we talk? I just want to
Speaker 1: I just know we don't talk about tight ends enough,
Speaker 1: But I want to know. Who do you think is
Speaker 1: gonna have the better pro career? What did Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: say about tight ends? You got Jason Witten? I said,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the PoTA guys on this team.
Speaker 1: Enough credit. Hey, this folk, this, this this draft shows
Speaker 1: all about I'm trying. I'm trying to do this job.
Speaker 1: Right here. The gentleman answer the question, he said he
Speaker 1: thought that, Uh, I'd take Hurst just because I think
Speaker 1: when you're looking at sneaky well and you're looking at
Speaker 1: South Dakota State versus South Carolina worked real well in
Speaker 1: that quarterback they went to Philly, right, I think, But
Speaker 1: so you get God, you're getting your Dakota's mixed up? Right? No,
Speaker 1: I know it's North Dakota State, but I'm just saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: So God, He makes your highlight reel catches. He makes
Speaker 1: some really freaky catches. He can do some awesome things
Speaker 1: on a football field. But Hayden Hurst, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's a more competitive blocker. He's a more well rounded player,
Speaker 1: and he's a more ready player. Yeah, so Goddard might
Speaker 1: have the better career, he might end up having seasons
Speaker 1: whereas a thousand yards, But I would feel better about
Speaker 1: putting Hayden Hurst on the field for every Evan Ingram
Speaker 1: who has a I mean tight ends a tough position
Speaker 1: to break out as a rookie, right, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: go Hurst, and I yeah, I feel pretty good about
Speaker 1: I feel I feel good about Hurst too. He's my
Speaker 1: top rated tight end. If you put if you put
Speaker 1: Goddard in New Orleans and you're just like, all you
Speaker 1: gotta do is line up wide and run down the field,
Speaker 1: then he might be pretty sweet. But even like Jimmy Graham,
Speaker 1: didn't have a great rookie year in New Orleans, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and off the top of my head at least,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it took him a little while
Speaker 1: at least. So yeah, but it's it's funny how these
Speaker 1: tight ends are coming into the league and playing. You know,
Speaker 1: they're figuring out the offensive coordinators are figuring out ways
Speaker 1: to get them involved. That's why you worry about something
Speaker 1: about this place a little bit. I've got the second
Speaker 1: round tight end and all of a sudden is ended
Speaker 1: up with somebody else just catching Witten's not playing five more. No,
Speaker 1: whoever the next tight end they take, he's gonna get
Speaker 1: to play. Yeah, at some point one of these days. Now,
Speaker 1: Goddard at thirty two? Does that worry you? If Philly
Speaker 1: has zach Ertz out there and Goddard's the other guy
Speaker 1: replacing who did they watch? What's his name? Uh? Sellec No?
Speaker 1: Did he leave Burt Trey Burton. If he becomes that
Speaker 1: extra tight end, I think that's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I worry about them taking guys. I worry about them
Speaker 1: taking more. Worried about Philly drafting about Ronald Jones and
Speaker 1: Philly like that scares me. YEA not a tight end. Whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Okay, here we go. Choose
Speaker 1: a quarterback out of Mike White, Kyle Loletta, and Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolph Loletta Rudolph, Yeah, or you're dying on that island
Speaker 1: that's hey, where are we Where are we talking about? Right?
Speaker 1: The first day? Picked out of those you just said,
Speaker 1: you just said Mike White and Loletta, So you're talking
Speaker 1: day two. Yeah, Well I'm not. I'm not drafting Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolph in the first No, you're just saying. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: choose a quarterback. Choose a quarterback out of those guys,
Speaker 1: I'll take Rudolph. It's I mean, it's kind of it's
Speaker 1: it's like Josh Allen. You know, I hate the idea
Speaker 1: of drafting Josh Allen in the top five, but like
Speaker 1: I'll draft him in the first round and take a
Speaker 1: chance that he develops. It's the same thing with Rudolf.
Speaker 1: He's got the tools to be a badass. That Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State offense scares me so much. And that's why we
Speaker 1: love James Washington so much. Right, and Rudolf looks and
Speaker 1: somebody's wide opening throws it to him. Somebody asked me yesterday, goes.
Speaker 1: Does does James White run a James Washington run a
Speaker 1: route other than a go? Someone asked me that last
Speaker 1: time screens too, So yeah, no good players ever come
Speaker 1: out of that Oklahoma State offense. Certainly not the all time.
Speaker 1: Certainly not the all time Cowboys touchdown later, definitely not
Speaker 1: so No, no, I'm just saying so, but you're you're okay,
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolf of you right, not in the first round,
Speaker 1: by like, no, no, I'm just saying it. Take a
Speaker 1: quarterback that's not named those three Rudolf. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: if you're taking a non prototype, I would take a chance.
Speaker 1: If I'm a quarterback needy team and I'm and I'm
Speaker 1: one of the teams that misses out there at the top,
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be seven teams fighting for four or
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks if I miss out. I like Kyle Loletto
Speaker 1: a lot. If you put him with a coach who
Speaker 1: recognizes his biggest limitation and just we're not gonna go
Speaker 1: in that situation. Yeah. When Kyle Aletta, the Richmond quarterback,
Speaker 1: tries to throw a fly route, it looks like a punt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna get intercepted. But everything other than that,
Speaker 1: everything else, accuracy, poise, He's a good player. That's why
Speaker 1: I like Mike White. If you don't, he's got better tools.
Speaker 1: I think Mike White does. If you're you know, if
Speaker 1: you're the quarterbacks not named going to the Jets or
Speaker 1: going to Cleveland. You know, give me the give me guy.
Speaker 1: I just think that White's got a lot to his game.
Speaker 1: I love his size, the arm, talent. You know, there's
Speaker 1: something about him, the accuracy with him. I think he's
Speaker 1: just a he's mobile. I just I think somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: get a Really, you know, we've in the past, we've
Speaker 1: seen these guys like the hack and Bergs, the Petties,
Speaker 1: these Cooks, these guys have all gone and they just
Speaker 1: really haven't done anything. I don't know these guys. One
Speaker 1: of those is gonna make it, make it. One of
Speaker 1: those is gonna make make it me, make it be
Speaker 1: a useful starter. Really, one of those is gonna make
Speaker 1: it okay. One of those three is gonna make it okay.
Speaker 1: There's Kirk Cousins is in there somewhere. He said, how
Speaker 1: do you like that the highest paid quarterback in the
Speaker 1: league fourth round pick till the next quarterback means to
Speaker 1: get paid. You're just saying, still, yeah, I think one
Speaker 1: of them is gonna make it. I believe that. And
Speaker 1: I don't think it's Rudolph. Rudolf scares me when it's
Speaker 1: not on time in that offense where things are wide open,
Speaker 1: it gets real strange on him. It gets real strange
Speaker 1: that Sam Darnold too hard to evaluate. Yeah, Darnold can
Speaker 1: save you, though now he'll bury you. But you can
Speaker 1: also say he will bury you for sure. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: my other question for you boys. And by the way,
Speaker 1: again once again, we are the Draft Show presented by
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Speaker 1: us in conversation. This is my question for you boys.
Speaker 1: If it was me, I'd play Mika Fitzpatrick at corner safety?
Speaker 1: What what? What? What tape did you watch? Go away?
Speaker 1: He can do He can do everything, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: oh no, he can do it. I think you do it.
Speaker 1: I think he can do I think that's the problem
Speaker 1: with people right now. They don't know where to put
Speaker 1: him if he he's a slot corner now rembo, he's
Speaker 1: talking about him because I mean he was once a
Speaker 1: guy that people thought about as a top five player,
Speaker 1: and now he's like you'd play you'd play him at corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do you think he's getting drafted in the top
Speaker 1: eleven if he was an award if all right, no,
Speaker 1: then no, If he was that great at corner, then
Speaker 1: there wouldn't even be a question about this, Like, well
Speaker 1: he didn't play he played slot corner. You want to
Speaker 1: just play him at nickel. That's a spot in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He can do that. Put him, put him in the
Speaker 1: situation where he's got the best chance to not have
Speaker 1: all the pressure on him at least to start. And
Speaker 1: I know we talked about this with Jalen Ramsey too,
Speaker 1: like I know, but there I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: think the debate was as strong, and I don't think
Speaker 1: there was any doubt that he was going in the
Speaker 1: top five or six either. Yeah, and like Ramsey was
Speaker 1: a freakier athlete, I think exactly. And that's this I mean,
Speaker 1: like Patrick Peterson comes to mind, Like when there's a
Speaker 1: guy that's that good at outside cornerback, there's no debate,
Speaker 1: there's just none. And there's no talk about him fighting either.
Speaker 1: They make it a little nervously Cowboys, we're gonna play
Speaker 1: Ramsey at safety. No, I think you'd been great. I
Speaker 1: think it fits with I say it all the time,
Speaker 1: like I don't trust these guys to be creative with players.
Speaker 1: I said it about Tired Matthew before Tired Matthew was
Speaker 1: even a free agent, and sure they were like, well
Speaker 1: he doesn't fit here, Mathai. Either way, I just if
Speaker 1: it if it requires like a lot of creativity and
Speaker 1: outside the box thinking, I don't trust this scheme to
Speaker 1: get it to do it? Nah, I think I think
Speaker 1: because corner is so valuable, you have to try it
Speaker 1: at least. Yeah. To Dave's point, can I try it
Speaker 1: after you let a acclimate to the NFL. No, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go try to put you at the best spot,
Speaker 1: the most valuable spot. We're gonna have you cover receivers.
Speaker 1: But this is gonna go in your favor, which means
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say it. I do think one of the differences,
Speaker 1: I think Mica Fitzpatrick has one of the highest football
Speaker 1: IQ's in the draft, so I think if you do
Speaker 1: back him off of the ball, he's not going to
Speaker 1: be a guy that struggles with that. He's gonna thrive
Speaker 1: at it. But I would like to see he played
Speaker 1: slot corner. But I would take Ward over him because
Speaker 1: I've watched Ward play outside corner, have his back to
Speaker 1: the ball, make plays all that stuff. Fitzpatrick's bigger, he
Speaker 1: can be more physical, but I haven't seen him out there.
Speaker 1: I just don't know how how to pick a guy
Speaker 1: that I haven't seen out there. If you're if there's
Speaker 1: any question at all, then I just don't where are
Speaker 1: you playing? Which safety? Are you playing him? Out? And
Speaker 1: today's NFL prime matter is less than ever, but it's
Speaker 1: still defined for a lot of teams. It's strong, I guess.
Speaker 1: I think. So you're picking him in the top ten
Speaker 1: to play drown safety, Well, I mean that's a felt
Speaker 1: Derwin James. Where would you play Derwin James? They gotta
Speaker 1: playment free claimed free myself. But I'd play him everywhere.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to trade up for him because
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods is our guy. We're not allowed to jump
Speaker 1: off that wagon. Safety are definitely allowed to jump off
Speaker 1: that wagon. We picked him, it's not you're not saying
Speaker 1: he's a bad player by saying it's a good idea
Speaker 1: to get a better player. No, I'd be saying it's
Speaker 1: a better idea to let him play and have your
Speaker 1: first two round picks for something else. Okay, that I
Speaker 1: mean okay, spoken like a member of the Cowboys front office.
Speaker 1: I mean you know that? Is that a shot fired? No,
Speaker 1: it's not a shot fired. It's I just I decited
Speaker 1: to be a GM. I just needed I need a
Speaker 1: better what's the backup plan? What if he's not good?
Speaker 1: Who Xavier Woods? Yeah? I know it, Xavier Woods? No,
Speaker 1: you got excited that they drafted him last spring for
Speaker 1: third round grade because he's a good player. What if
Speaker 1: he's what if he's not good? Jeff Heath is here,
Speaker 1: he played it last year. Okay, cool? All right? Because
Speaker 1: but the argument isn't because to me, the argument is
Speaker 1: more what can I do at nineteen and fifty? Would
Speaker 1: you rather have Derwin James take Xavier wood spot and
Speaker 1: leave two spots open that I get to improve? Or
Speaker 1: would you rather have a left guard, a wide receiver
Speaker 1: and Xavier Woods? I would rather just fill the hole
Speaker 1: that I have the most amount of questions about. So
Speaker 1: you need the linebacker, linebacker, linebacker, and safety come to
Speaker 1: mind before left guard. I don't have a left guard
Speaker 1: here you do. Oh well, you got Marcus Martin and
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins. Yeah, Lyle Collins is kind of the race
Speaker 1: in the hole, I believe, Oh, I trust me. I
Speaker 1: don't want that to happen. Nobody does, and they included
Speaker 1: want it to happen. I don't want it to happen,
Speaker 1: but it very well could. So I'm just asking you
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Speaker 1: got a question, a really timely question. You know, this
Speaker 1: is our last show before we actually do the draft.
Speaker 1: I actually saw Daniel Jeremiah talking about this today. So
Speaker 1: Zach points out that there's a lot of buzz about
Speaker 1: Frank Ragnow, oh, that was one of my questions the
Speaker 1: Arkansas Center. He's a good player. A lot of people
Speaker 1: tell he's getting first round buzz. Oh, you don't see
Speaker 1: him that way. No, My last question, is Frank Ragnall
Speaker 1: really a first round consideration? You tell me that's I
Speaker 1: mean what I tell you. When you read do you
Speaker 1: revisit your thoughts on him? Yeah, he's a billy to
Speaker 1: billy blocker, is what he does. When you you watch Okay,
Speaker 1: played guard in the Alabama game, all right, but when
Speaker 1: you watch him block, if he does not get right
Speaker 1: up on you, he's got no shot and he is
Speaker 1: balance is bad. And I just do not see what
Speaker 1: people are looking at with him. I just don't get
Speaker 1: it because I see a guy that's all balanced. To
Speaker 1: see a guy it's on like a one legged football player.
Speaker 1: I see a guy that's kids yanked throne. But you know,
Speaker 1: but I trust me he will. He's gonna play twelve
Speaker 1: years in this league. And I'm sticking to your guns.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not. I'm not changing how to draft.
Speaker 1: People would see the buzz and be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna revisit my grade. Oh no, oh well, I mean
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say it right now. I like him,
Speaker 1: And it's kind of what hold on. It's kind of
Speaker 1: for the reasons you're saying that he's just kind of player.
Speaker 1: You can point out the things where it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: he doesn't really play with extension, but you can't find
Speaker 1: him getting beat. But it's like he if he if
Speaker 1: he does not get up on you and hold And
Speaker 1: it's funny guys trying to like redirect on him and
Speaker 1: getting he's like going with him because he's holding on
Speaker 1: so tight that he's hanging on, hasn't given up a sack. No,
Speaker 1: in his college career. He and he gets the job
Speaker 1: that he played guard in the in the album, you
Speaker 1: can watch him play guard in the Alabama game. And
Speaker 1: I give I would have him ahead of Price the
Speaker 1: Ohio State Center. Now there's another Billy to Billy block.
Speaker 1: I would have him in front of him Price to me,
Speaker 1: I mean they they had. That's another guy that's kind
Speaker 1: of getting some. I know he was hurt, but people
Speaker 1: are talking about him. If you're first round, sir, give
Speaker 1: me Daniels. Daniels give Quisinberry for UCLA is not bad either,
Speaker 1: not either. You know how. I like a good segue,
Speaker 1: which mentioning Daniels throws in a question from Joseph, which
Speaker 1: is who's the forgotten man at nineteen? Let's take a
Speaker 1: peek here, because I think James Daniels is a yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I you know what, that would
Speaker 1: be one of those picks if we've talked about We've
Speaker 1: spent months talking about everybody but James Daniel, and we
Speaker 1: all love him. And if any probably and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, we're sitting there on Thursday night and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, Commiscier says picks in bah James
Speaker 1: Daniels Center, Iowa, I'm gonna I would stop and say, damn,
Speaker 1: good pick, and it would and it wouldn't even I
Speaker 1: mean I would. It's one of those things where I
Speaker 1: haven't thought about. But gosh, he goes back to guys
Speaker 1: they visited him as a thirty Yeah, and I'm making
Speaker 1: a big deal about the thirty day, but I in
Speaker 1: the first round, you should yeah, the Colton Miller. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna visit unless they're gonna pick Colton Miller.
Speaker 1: Unless they trade up, the first round pick will have
Speaker 1: been a thirty visit. I'll that's gonna happen, unless unless
Speaker 1: something crazy happens. I mean, if Derwin falls and they
Speaker 1: trade for him or something nuts. But if they pick
Speaker 1: at nineteen, the pick will be a guy that went
Speaker 1: to the facility. There's just no doubt in my mind.
Speaker 1: The only redeeming quality about Colton Miller is that he's
Speaker 1: a good athlete. Names to your We talked about this
Speaker 1: because we did talking Cowboys this morning. That was shameless,
Speaker 1: but way to go. Good job, great beer. Miller L
Speaker 1: Miller Um. We talked about it on Talking Cowboys today.
Speaker 1: You know they visited Mike McGlinchey. They visited I can't
Speaker 1: figure out why they did that. Well, but Collins Trump
Speaker 1: called the visit. But they covered their bases. They visited
Speaker 1: two tackles they like and a guard they like. If
Speaker 1: that's the option, they take the best one available in
Speaker 1: their minds, and then they figured out from there. So
Speaker 1: if you're drafted Mike McGlinchey, you're moving. Lyle Collins, Yeah,
Speaker 1: abstracted James Annuals absolutely leaving Lyle where he is. And
Speaker 1: I like Steven basically said that today. I asked him
Speaker 1: about it and uh, and he was like, well, basically
Speaker 1: he said, we're gonna draft what we think is the
Speaker 1: best dude available when the time comes to do that,
Speaker 1: whether it's nineteen, whether it's the fifth round, and we
Speaker 1: will decide what to do from there. So if they
Speaker 1: get themselves a really nice card, Lyle probably stays. If
Speaker 1: they wind up with a better tackle, he probably moves.
Speaker 1: I think it's that easy. Other thirty visits that I
Speaker 1: don't think we've talked about a lot as a potential pick.
Speaker 1: Tavin Bran Yeah, the Florida defensive tackle. Absolutely, And for
Speaker 1: me at least, it's because I don't want them to
Speaker 1: pick him, so I don't bring him up a bunch McGlinchey.
Speaker 1: I think we talk about him a little bit. But
Speaker 1: when David just put out the scenario that if you
Speaker 1: drafted him that immediately signals move that becomes uh fleming
Speaker 1: becomes the swing tackle or does McGlinchey become the swing tack?
Speaker 1: I stop, you stop, sir, sir? Oh, you mean this
Speaker 1: coaching staff doesn't favor veteran experience over sir. Come on,
Speaker 1: and we talk about vandersh a ton as the guy
Speaker 1: at nineteen. If you think Rashaun Evans is the forgotten man,
Speaker 1: I've been mocking him for like a month and a half.
Speaker 1: He did it in the magazine might of fact. Well
Speaker 1: keep men. You guys didn't give me how much is
Speaker 1: the magazine? Well it's it's just I brought a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys. Probably the web. Where's the website? We're probably
Speaker 1: too late to send him out. You don't have it
Speaker 1: by now. I'm for you. Grab we got draft tickets.
Speaker 1: By the way, too, and we're gonna give away at
Speaker 1: Jason Witten autographed jersey factual. Yeah, arden Key is the
Speaker 1: forgotten man. Brian at nineteen. I wouldn't pick him at
Speaker 1: eighty one, all right, John was just thrown out a
Speaker 1: visitor name. No, I wouldn't pick him at eighty one.
Speaker 1: I would arden Key at eighty one. Key at eighty one.
Speaker 1: That was another one of my questions forgotten why or
Speaker 1: why not on arden Key? But okay, James James Daniels um,
Speaker 1: I mean you could throw a Rashaun Evans because vander
Speaker 1: esh does get more love he does. I just don't
Speaker 1: know it. I just don't know if they if they
Speaker 1: think like that, they would have to play him at
Speaker 1: will linebacker and move Seawan Lee back inside. I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're really said on him. Evans a physical dude.
Speaker 1: I know he could play Mike all day. I'm just guys,
Speaker 1: so they're so they're more light and the butt guy
Speaker 1: at Mike than they are the dude who's a freight train.
Speaker 1: They think the guy could play all three positions. That's
Speaker 1: what I think. I think Rashaan Evans could be your
Speaker 1: day one Mike if you needed him to be he's
Speaker 1: a he's a that's the one thing I really do.
Speaker 1: I don't absolutely love him, but he hits the crap
Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, doing people stop, That's that's absolutely right. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, sorry I got sidetrack. Oh well, okay, I
Speaker 1: know we talked about this at the top, but just
Speaker 1: for clarity's sake, Austin he yeah, he read your mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if vitavea Layton vander Esh and wide receiver one whoever,
Speaker 1: whether that's Calvin Ridley or DJ Moore, if they're all there,
Speaker 1: who would you take? And who do you think they
Speaker 1: would take? Because obviously there are two different questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: vanderh veya wide receiver of your choice. Well, Vanderesh was
Speaker 1: at their biggest need position to me, Yeah, to me,
Speaker 1: some might say receiver even though you have six of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they could play a game with the receivers
Speaker 1: they have. And okay, along, so I think you're right
Speaker 1: about it too many times. Yeah, I would take veya
Speaker 1: because you just don't like Vanderes. Well, I think he's
Speaker 1: the best blend of need and talent. Like, he's arguably
Speaker 1: the best defensive tackle in the draft, and it's a
Speaker 1: need Veya will be my top rated player on the
Speaker 1: board there, so I would I would go Veya, then
Speaker 1: the wide receiver, then Vanderesh. I think they'll go Vanderesh
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Ya. That would this This is a great
Speaker 1: fire escape, like I've you know, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to get my hopes up. I really don't. But I've
Speaker 1: had myself convinced for a month that that a linebacker
Speaker 1: is going to be the pick because it just makes
Speaker 1: too much sense. I hate the idea of drafting the
Speaker 1: third or fourth best linebacker in the draft at nineteen.
Speaker 1: Don't you hate that? You feel pigeonholed into doing that? Though?
Speaker 1: The idea before the draft is to make it so
Speaker 1: you're never stuck in this spot, and I feel like
Speaker 1: they're stuck in the spot. I don't think they're stuck.
Speaker 1: It's just when you weigh it all out, it makes
Speaker 1: the most sense. And trust me, I reserve the right
Speaker 1: to be wrong. It happens all the time, but you
Speaker 1: look at it, it does. Shut up. It makes why
Speaker 1: are we doing this? We're makes it makes It just
Speaker 1: makes the most sense. I don't think they're pigeonholed. I
Speaker 1: think we've been talking about it all forty minutes where
Speaker 1: there's eight or nine options that make sense, but the
Speaker 1: linebacker option makes the most sense, except if they are
Speaker 1: willing to draft the defensive tackle in the first round.
Speaker 1: You can get the best one in the draft, do
Speaker 1: a variety of things and give you away rosier long
Speaker 1: term future at that position. Is this Danny Shelton. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Danny Shelton wasn't as athletic Danny Shelton. I don't think
Speaker 1: he was even as big. He's bigger, stronger. Festee was
Speaker 1: pretty wide. Yeah, I think Sheldon might have had better
Speaker 1: college production. But when you just watch the players play, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tove is different. Okay, Tove is different. Right, He's a truck.
Speaker 1: He's a ballerina truck. Yeah, that's how I say, dancing bear.
Speaker 1: You already used. That's good. It's good, though, it's good.
Speaker 1: The folks on the periscope, they're they're asking, where's the
Speaker 1: love for Davenport? You have the wrong guy. If this
Speaker 1: is uh, it's classic. You know. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell you what I think the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna do. And again, I guess, you know, going back
Speaker 1: to my point about the thirty visits. Anything is possible
Speaker 1: in the draft, but you're talking about a guy that
Speaker 1: you got a draft at nineteen, and I have no
Speaker 1: reason to believe that they care about him. They didn't
Speaker 1: bring him in on a thirty people went to his
Speaker 1: pro day, but they go to every pro day, right
Speaker 1: as far as I know. They didn't do a private
Speaker 1: workout with him, all that good type of stuff. So
Speaker 1: you know, you're looking for markers on a roadmap, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And there's a million markers on
Speaker 1: a million other guys. I got nothing on Marcus Davenport.
Speaker 1: So it's got nothing to do with what I think
Speaker 1: about him. But I don't have any reason to believe
Speaker 1: that they like him. So I just why am I
Speaker 1: talking about him if I don't think they're gonna PA
Speaker 1: I was just no, I know, but I'm explaining myself
Speaker 1: to anybody listening. I know we're drafting for the next
Speaker 1: hundred years, but four or five. Does Marcus Davenport help
Speaker 1: you much in year one? I don't think he does.
Speaker 1: I think it's a small school guy that won by
Speaker 1: being physically better than everybody he played against, who really
Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's doing. I wonder I don't think
Speaker 1: this guy, Ziggy. I wonder if people said that about
Speaker 1: DeMarcus where Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where's a different cat. I'm not just saying no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, but no, I'm thinking of ziggy Ansa.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was a surprise. Ziggy Ansa. We go a
Speaker 1: first round, surprised by the by the Detroit Lions. If
Speaker 1: we want an end, we want Harold Landry to make
Speaker 1: it to nineteen. That would be above all else that
Speaker 1: would be my a one hell yeah scenario. What about
Speaker 1: real Quid Smith? Okay, what about this? Okay, but I talk,
Speaker 1: But okay, what do you think that they would do
Speaker 1: because they because Veya and Landry? Would they take would
Speaker 1: they take Landry over Veya because he's the end they
Speaker 1: would get too? Or do they feel like though that
Speaker 1: that defensive tackle can help their life? It help Jalen Smith?
Speaker 1: Got to take the guy that affects the passing game, right,
Speaker 1: I would think so that's and okay, I have it
Speaker 1: that way. Paveya can rush the passer, but not as
Speaker 1: well as a guy like Harold Landry if he lives
Speaker 1: up to his villain. If you have a guy who
Speaker 1: can get you ten plus sex a year. You take
Speaker 1: him over that exactly? Exactly. No, I agree. I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's crazy talk. It's almost as crazy
Speaker 1: to think Harold Landry falls that far. You shouldn't get
Speaker 1: past fourteen exactly. I wouldn't think I would. Maybe Green
Speaker 1: Bay takes Davenport. Somebody mocked Landry at twenty five the
Speaker 1: other day and I was like, what planet? That's nuts
Speaker 1: to me. I'd be a good planet. I want to
Speaker 1: be on that planet. Well, no, because the car. There's
Speaker 1: another question, Dave or for you guys, if if what
Speaker 1: if DJ Moore somehow ends up in the second round?
Speaker 1: Are you are you going up? Um? If if it's
Speaker 1: swap okay, this scenario we did yesterday, but it's DJ
Speaker 1: Moore at thirty seven instead of so I'm giving up
Speaker 1: fifty and eighty one. Yeah, do it? Bring it on?
Speaker 1: What do we do in the first round? You took
Speaker 1: Vanderish keeping well, because that's who they're gonna take. Bring
Speaker 1: it on? Yeah, yes, got me, got me a linebacker
Speaker 1: who can step in and play right away. Got me
Speaker 1: wide receiver one at thirty seven? Yep, yeah, yep, yep. Nope,
Speaker 1: bring it on. You're not gonna do it. Why because
Speaker 1: I'm in the Michael Gallup fan club. You don't gonna
Speaker 1: wait for fifty you don't like players. I'm gonna wait.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Anthony Miller or Michael give me then
Speaker 1: your ideal scenario. Then for the first two picks, then
Speaker 1: for you ideal for you don't talk about the Cowboys. Okay?
Speaker 1: Are we taking Harold Landry out of the equation. You're
Speaker 1: gonna say he's not available, Well, just give me your
Speaker 1: give me, give me your ideas. I take my ideal
Speaker 1: is that somebody else takes Landry, so I'm not tempted. Uh.
Speaker 1: My ideal scenario would be at nineteen, you'd take either
Speaker 1: Isaiah Winner, James Daniels and you they play left guard,
Speaker 1: and in fifty you take Anthony Miller or Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: and play receiver. You ever one under? Actually, okay, and
Speaker 1: I hate that I haven't gotten a linebacker yet, but
Speaker 1: that's what I feel the best of it. I can
Speaker 1: incorporate a question from Jesse in here, since you just
Speaker 1: brought that up, like and and Jesse says, is it
Speaker 1: too risky to draft a guard at nineteen given what
Speaker 1: else this team needs. Of course, why I think because boy,
Speaker 1: we were on that guard train so early. We were
Speaker 1: in today and then and then we stopped at the
Speaker 1: station we've all got off. In today's NFL, I know,
Speaker 1: people are talking about how much money you have tied
Speaker 1: up in the offensive line and this. Yeah, well I'm
Speaker 1: really sorry about how much we might have to pay
Speaker 1: our awesome left guard in twenty twenty three. But for now,
Speaker 1: that's not I want to protect this quarterback. I want
Speaker 1: to run the ball. This is what my team does.
Speaker 1: This is what we do. It's not wrong my guard.
Speaker 1: I think my guard is going to be the best
Speaker 1: player on the board. Can't you do that without drafting
Speaker 1: a guard nineteenth overall? I mean they didn't last year.
Speaker 1: I know. But there's a lot of stuff that goes
Speaker 1: into that. There is your your your best blindman got
Speaker 1: hurt you? If I had your draft? Is your draft
Speaker 1: chain change? If I tell you they're moving while Collins.
Speaker 1: Yeah now I want McGlinchey. Okay, yeah, now I want
Speaker 1: Mike mcglenchie at nineteen. I don't want camp. Look, look
Speaker 1: what I want for this line is for Fleming to
Speaker 1: be the swing swing tackle. That's my dream I want.
Speaker 1: That's the guy in place. All right, that's what I want.
Speaker 1: You know what my ideal is, what I'm space And
Speaker 1: what's the name of the Washington State guard? Madison? Give
Speaker 1: me Madison in the third or fourth round. You're good
Speaker 1: stepping starting with Madison, or he can fight it out
Speaker 1: with Marcus Martin and training camp. I don't need to
Speaker 1: spend pick nineteen on a on a starting guard. Let
Speaker 1: let a mid round pick fight with Marcus. He has
Speaker 1: been consistent. The one, the one that's changed a little
Speaker 1: bit has been Dane because Dane says, well, you didn't
Speaker 1: you didn't get a good enough band aid, right, which
Speaker 1: at the position. So now he's now more willing to
Speaker 1: take a guard. If Jonathan Cooper can and and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he was a pro bowler, but if Jonathan
Speaker 1: Cooper can do the job adequately, he was adequate. Adequate
Speaker 1: is a fair word. Adequate is a fair words. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: this one's personal to me because we're picking at nineteen.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna draw up my reasoning for this. We're
Speaker 1: picking at nineteen. If Isaiah Winn is on the board,
Speaker 1: he'll probably be about my eleventh best player in the draft,
Speaker 1: James Daniels will probably be about my fourteenth best player
Speaker 1: in the draft. So you get wind over Daniel Susan, Yes,
Speaker 1: vander esh and Evans. Your linebacker options at nineteen for
Speaker 1: me will be about the thirty fifth to fortieth best
Speaker 1: players in the draft. So to me, it's just a
Speaker 1: massive difference in what I'm picking in terms of value
Speaker 1: of the player that I think I'm getting. Now, why
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter is because for the Cowboys those are
Speaker 1: probably must much closer, if not flipped. Let's for me,
Speaker 1: that's why I want the lineman. I'm gonna go against
Speaker 1: everything that Brian's ever taught me, like window dressing your
Speaker 1: board and all that crap. But think about this, I
Speaker 1: mean think about you know, you get into the nitty
Speaker 1: gritty of the sea and would you and okay, it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense in the value of your board, but
Speaker 1: would you rather have the thirty fifth best player in
Speaker 1: the draft holding your linebacker group together with a thirty
Speaker 1: two year old and a guy with a bum knee,
Speaker 1: or would you rather have the fourteenth best guy in
Speaker 1: the draft. Oh and by okay, so you're all right,
Speaker 1: thirty fifth best guy or you're one hundred and twentieth
Speaker 1: best guy, let's call him Fred Warner. Or I would
Speaker 1: rather have my left guard and then Darius Leonard holds
Speaker 1: my linebacker cord together than pick one of those linebackers
Speaker 1: and have Coal Madison. Give me the bet, Josie, give
Speaker 1: me the better player holding together the shakier unit over
Speaker 1: the better player holding together the already very good unit.
Speaker 1: The offensive line should be able to function without a
Speaker 1: top tier left guard. The linebacking corp is not gonna
Speaker 1: function without a top tier linebacker. I believe that would
Speaker 1: you feel different if they traded for the guy in Seattle?
Speaker 1: Would you feel different about your defense and having the
Speaker 1: hold together guy? A little bit? Because I think then
Speaker 1: in today's NFL, you know what I would do if
Speaker 1: you had that guy from Seattle, that guy. If I
Speaker 1: have that guy from Seattle, Xavier Woods can play mother
Speaker 1: safety spot and you know who can play linebacker for me,
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier. That's today's NFL. Today's NFL strong safety's play linebacker.
Speaker 1: We gotta cover, we gotta coverbacks, we gotta cover tight ends,
Speaker 1: and we gotta tackle. That's what linebacker's got to do.
Speaker 1: That there's nothing for you then I kind of no.
Speaker 1: I mean, which if you add him to the mix,
Speaker 1: then then I'm down for whatever and all. Honestly, your
Speaker 1: argument is about kind of holding things together when something
Speaker 1: happens to Sean Lee. Yeah you really you don't for
Speaker 1: that matter, I mean yeah, yeah, Stephen Jones. Stephen Jones said,
Speaker 1: a big part of how we feel about linebackers, we
Speaker 1: expect him to take a step forward. I hope that's
Speaker 1: the case, but I'm I can't bank on it. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't sit here and be like like that's so
Speaker 1: it's presumptuous to just be like, well, he's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: The last two weeks of the season, they were playing
Speaker 1: him twenty snaps a game. They weren't dialing him up.
Speaker 1: They were pulling. They were pulling him back, and he
Speaker 1: actually looked better than that. When he plays sixty snaps,
Speaker 1: he wasn't nearly as good. I just think you need
Speaker 1: three to play too, you need It's like they were
Speaker 1: apologizing to him today. Well I'll take that too, but
Speaker 1: I just I let we said it again on talking today.
Speaker 1: We said it, you can play and win with these
Speaker 1: wide receivers. You could play and win with this offensive
Speaker 1: line as it stands right now? Do you agree? Yes,
Speaker 1: Tyrone's healthy. If Tyron's healthy, yes, can you play and
Speaker 1: win with these linebackers with the starters? Can you play
Speaker 1: and win with this linebacking corps? Sixteen games? Oh? Sixteen games? Yeah?
Speaker 1: My draft is over. Yes, but that's right now. No,
Speaker 1: you're right there, we go there. Thank you for letting
Speaker 1: me have that. Yeah, I appreciate that. See, I can
Speaker 1: concede when there is a point where you're not right.
Speaker 1: A lot of people struggle with that. It's I just
Speaker 1: the linebacker position scares the crap out of me, man,
Speaker 1: And that's I don't the draft. Nick in me doesn't
Speaker 1: want a draft Layton vander esh or Rashaan Evans. But
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about how is this team gonna win
Speaker 1: games in twenty eighteen? And it's by bolstering mac Rube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think it's by running for well four thousand
Speaker 1: yards that don't help. But but he wants to the guard,
Speaker 1: and I think that. I think the ace of the hole,
Speaker 1: and I've said this is Collins. I think that's what's
Speaker 1: keeping them from taking a guy at nineteen. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: really do. I think that that thought in their head
Speaker 1: is keeping them from taking a guard at nineteen. But
Speaker 1: if they do that, wouldn't you say they haven't learned?
Speaker 1: If your plan is okay, we did, so, we're gonna
Speaker 1: move Collins to guard. Fleming's gonna be our right tackle,
Speaker 1: our depth across the line. If Tyring gets hurt of zero,
Speaker 1: I think that here, I despise. That's brutal. I despise
Speaker 1: the best of five, the best five thing. And they
Speaker 1: killed they killed Jazz Green. Yeah, Garrett admitted it. I
Speaker 1: asked him, said you shouldn't have played him a guard.
Speaker 1: He goes, I think back on it, No should. I
Speaker 1: discovered a fundamental difference between me and Jeffrey just just
Speaker 1: when he said that right there, which is that I'm
Speaker 1: I sit cross legged. No, well you do do that. No,
Speaker 1: there's not nothing wrong that. No, I think, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is what I think me. I think this is what
Speaker 1: the cowboys are gonna do, and there's nothing I can
Speaker 1: do about it, and so I'm just gonna Jeff is like,
Speaker 1: we watch all these players, we want to fight the cowboys.
Speaker 1: Jeff is like, this is what the cowboys are gonna do,
Speaker 1: and I don't like it, and I'm gonna fix it,
Speaker 1: which like that's like you can't do that. That's not
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. At the end of the day, Well,
Speaker 1: these are my receipts. If they struggle, I can say listen,
Speaker 1: I had this. These got a five hour radio show. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of hours. I put in a petition
Speaker 1: to lower it. Any more questions on their day. Uh well,
Speaker 1: actually Austin, Actually Austin had a really good two parter
Speaker 1: which we sort of just touched on this. I love
Speaker 1: his wording here he goes, if a top tier safety
Speaker 1: is acquired via trade, I love that word. Yeah, top
Speaker 1: tier safety from the West Coast doesn't in a state
Speaker 1: where oh oh, by the way, did just real quick
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones told us today about they were not interested
Speaker 1: in read or Acaro. He just said, no, I mean
Speaker 1: that that's so any of those guys who are asked
Speaker 1: about Boston, any of those guys, I mean, they're not
Speaker 1: interested in any of those The fact that those guys
Speaker 1: aren't on this team already should tell you that's that's right. Okay. No,
Speaker 1: So if a if a top tier safety is acquired
Speaker 1: via trade, how how would you use them? And he
Speaker 1: I mean, could could Xavier Woods play alongside him? Would
Speaker 1: you use Heath as you're strong and yeah, he who
Speaker 1: must not be named, let me ask you this. You know,
Speaker 1: the guy that might just become just the core Special
Speaker 1: Teams captain guy is Heath? I think so, yeah, because
Speaker 1: then what you do play and top tier safety together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then what you do is you put Byron Jones
Speaker 1: down covering the big man. Byron Jones is playing, That's
Speaker 1: what he was born to do. Yeah. Byron Jones all
Speaker 1: of a sudden now becomes the guy that covers the
Speaker 1: big man. So I think the guy that would just
Speaker 1: become full time, full time Special Teams captain man is
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath. Depending on situation, you can move Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: and Cavan Frasier in and out where if we think
Speaker 1: they're we think they're gonna run the ball, Frasier's out
Speaker 1: there totally Interchangeable's fine. Yeah, yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 1: I would be exciting. I just kind of feel like
Speaker 1: though that if they if they did get Thomas, that
Speaker 1: they would play. They love Woods enough to do it,
Speaker 1: and they have to figure out something for Frasier though, too.
Speaker 1: Maybe you get two guys like Keathan Frasier. This your
Speaker 1: core guys, and then when you rotate them through, you
Speaker 1: know the you rotate them through and that's what they do.
Speaker 1: But we gotta take you're not taking a role Thomas
Speaker 1: off the field. We gotta trade down. I'm in you
Speaker 1: guys realize we gotta trade down. I'll talk. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that later on about what we do that we
Speaker 1: gotta trade down. We will. Okay, we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break here day. Thanks to everybody
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Thanks to everybody on periscope for firing some
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Speaker 1: eighty two. No, you guys are trying to draft his
Speaker 1: replacement right here. He's fifty three, doesn't matter, he's fifty three. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: you're almost done. Mister Cowboy almost a new mister, new
Speaker 1: mister Cowboy. He's awesome. I like that though. I like
Speaker 1: that in mister Cowboy bit sixteen years he's my he's
Speaker 1: my last. Yeah, that was my last guy left dirt.
Speaker 1: It was Romo and the secret is in the dirt man.
Speaker 1: You watch that? Hey, watch that dude give a pep
Speaker 1: talk on that TV show All or Nothing. Yeah'll tell
Speaker 1: you what get it? You? Would you would you play
Speaker 1: for him? Would you? I mean, would you as a player?
Speaker 1: Would you be like kill for him? Whoa? Whoa? Literally?
Speaker 1: Do you have a dump button on this? No? I
Speaker 1: think Okay, that was sarcasm. What I meant was I
Speaker 1: would do anything for him. There you go, short of
Speaker 1: taking a life, you would take a bullet for your yourself. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would jump in front of a bullet for him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You can't get us an executive producing helping us out
Speaker 1: on that's what you're saying. That's what I said. There
Speaker 1: you go, that's nothing wrong with that, Jeff. You know,
Speaker 1: we yesterday we did a draft for the for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys who we thought that they would take, and
Speaker 1: just to kind of recap who we did yesterday. Uh,
Speaker 1: we had Layton Vanderish at one nineteen, Anthony Miller at
Speaker 1: two fifty, to various more at three eighty one, a
Speaker 1: nice little draft safety from Southern Miss. Then four one sixteen.
Speaker 1: We had a little bit of discussion. Brelan speaks. You
Speaker 1: guys are just going straight down the visit list. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we little optimistic. We try, We tried. Yeah, we tried
Speaker 1: to say. But defensive tackle from Old Miss and then
Speaker 1: Cole Madison of course the tackle the guard tackle from
Speaker 1: Washington State was at four thirty seven. Edo Smith, Oh,
Speaker 1: good pick, guys, that was a good pick. Which do
Speaker 1: you like? Which one? Which one the backs do you like?
Speaker 1: Out of that the Edo Smith? Kelly, that crew. Let
Speaker 1: me check my board. I think if you're going that
Speaker 1: deep like niheim Hines that three eighty one't he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And probably he's probably third round. Yeah Smith, I've got
Speaker 1: right behind Kelly. But Mark Walton John Kelly, Edo Smith
Speaker 1: fourth round. Yeah, and Smith it seems like it's gonna
Speaker 1: go later than that, So I think that's a great pick.
Speaker 1: Edo Smith that yeah, five one seventy one. And then
Speaker 1: we went Desmond Harrison again, this is a six one
Speaker 1: ninety two. And then we went Durham Smith, the tight
Speaker 1: end from Notre Dame at the six one ninety three,
Speaker 1: sky More KT. We had big influence on sky Moore
Speaker 1: at two o eight, six round pick linebacker from South Carolina.
Speaker 1: And then we took Justin Lawlord, the defensive ends from
Speaker 1: SMU at seven two thirty six. There's just no way
Speaker 1: they're making ten picks. We just we should around. We
Speaker 1: can't cann j you you now you did a mock
Speaker 1: draft for your for your website, though, is it what
Speaker 1: you did or did you just on your own explain
Speaker 1: your the athletic for the athletic um. And so what
Speaker 1: I did was I fired up the fans speak is
Speaker 1: that you guys did the water. Wait, we just we
Speaker 1: took we picked all we know, we went down, we
Speaker 1: right went every single pick, right, we went all the
Speaker 1: way through. I did that too, Yeah, but I fired
Speaker 1: up the simulator. And what I did was using my
Speaker 1: board or kind of our board, right, yeah. Uh. At
Speaker 1: each pick, I just stopped to look at who are
Speaker 1: our highest graded guys available and would I do right?
Speaker 1: And so On the first pick, the guys that were
Speaker 1: available with first round grades were Calvin Ridley right, Ronald
Speaker 1: Jones USC running back, which shouldn't matter, throw it away,
Speaker 1: he's a ruback. James Daniels, the offensive lineman from Iowa
Speaker 1: Maurice Hurst d tackle mission. We need to get the
Speaker 1: medical information from him. I'm trying to get that. I
Speaker 1: know some teams I talked to have him completely off
Speaker 1: the board. We need to find this out Thursday, if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys before we get drafted. If that's the case.
Speaker 1: And two corners JayR Alexander at Louisville and my Cues
Speaker 1: at Central Florida. I throughout corner because I think it's
Speaker 1: less of a need than the other ones. And the
Speaker 1: guy I went with was actually James Daniels, not Ridley,
Speaker 1: not Vander esh and Evans were available, Will Hernandez DJ
Speaker 1: Moore was available, sure, and I went with James Daniels, okay,
Speaker 1: because I wanted to pick my left guard to see
Speaker 1: what would happen. We're doing I was doing an exercise.
Speaker 1: I liked the pick. I wanted to see problem with it? Okay,
Speaker 1: so he took James Daniels at the one nineteen one
Speaker 1: nineteen was James Daniels. Okay, Now go down to two
Speaker 1: fifty and where were you? What were the names on
Speaker 1: your board at that time? Second round? Guys still available?
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb running back Georgia throw out. We're not picking
Speaker 1: a running back yet. Wide receivers Michael Gallup Okay, Anthony Miller,
Speaker 1: DJ Chark, Trey Kuan Smith at Central Florida, James Washington,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. Let me stop you there. You just named
Speaker 1: I think five wide receivers. Why don't want one at nineteen?
Speaker 1: See that I want this at fifty. See, this is
Speaker 1: the problem. I don't know. And I wonder if teams
Speaker 1: are having this problem too, that there's so many guys.
Speaker 1: Parcels used to say, Oh, they're stacked in there like
Speaker 1: club sandwiches. Yeah, can you separate these guys? Is there anything?
Speaker 1: It's it's not I know what I'm saying, but there's
Speaker 1: not many at the top, but all of a sudden
Speaker 1: the second round, they're all like packed in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I kind of thought, Okay, well here's the run,
Speaker 1: but but go ahead. Then I was just I was
Speaker 1: j DJ Moore is my favorite guy in this draft.
Speaker 1: I don't want him at nineteen. It doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: it doesn't don't want is harsh. But there's other options.
Speaker 1: So I had one running back, five wide receivers, Hayden
Speaker 1: Hurst to tight end at South Carolina, Tyrell Crosby the
Speaker 1: tack little organ by way I would think about it
Speaker 1: if I hadn't already picked a guard. Sure, Nathan Shepherd
Speaker 1: the d tackle at forty State of him Duke is
Speaker 1: GIA four Wake Forest defensive end, and MJ. Stewart cornerback
Speaker 1: North Carolina. WHOA, that's a little rich for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't pick him there, but I have him as
Speaker 1: a second round. But these are my second round guys
Speaker 1: that were left. Yeah, I got you. I went Anthony Miller.
Speaker 1: I took Anthony Miller, and I picked the wide receiver. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you got so you've now completely helped the offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, serious, I'm gonna make so many people mad
Speaker 1: with us next back. And I did it. I did
Speaker 1: it on purpose because I was doing an experiment. Every
Speaker 1: Bock draft is an experiment. You're seeing how things look.
Speaker 1: You suck, You're still Let's see if people start throwing
Speaker 1: Miller light bottles at us here for the third round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: three eighty one. My third round is available. Darius Leonard linebacker,
Speaker 1: Josie Jewel linebacker, cornerbacks, Duke Dawson at Florida, Nick Nelson
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin knee got a knee you had to worry
Speaker 1: about right there. Six week recovery. They just cleaned up
Speaker 1: the meniscus. Oh you know about that. You know about
Speaker 1: those knee surgeries, right, Yeah, you don't want to eight
Speaker 1: year out on him. Niheem Hines are running back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Akram Wadley the eye will run him back. I love him,
Speaker 1: by the way. Dane's guy, Ian Thomas, the tight end
Speaker 1: at Indiana. Dave is not coming around on him. Dedron
Speaker 1: Senat and Derek Noddy are my d tackles and strong
Speaker 1: safety Terrell Edmund. I'm about to lose my mind. So
Speaker 1: I picked Ian Thomas why as an experiment, an experiment
Speaker 1: to not help your defense at all. Here was the
Speaker 1: experiment was if I don't take him here, I know
Speaker 1: I can't have him in the next round. And I
Speaker 1: don't like any of the tight ends left linebacker. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see what would be availed. You don't need
Speaker 1: a tight end. Why do you need a tight end?
Speaker 1: Because Jason Witten is almost done. Nobody goes down the
Speaker 1: field and the guys behind him have three career catches
Speaker 1: and neither one of them is the heir to the throne.
Speaker 1: Is Jason Witten going to retire before the season starts? No?
Speaker 1: Next year? Has he ever missed a game? No? All right,
Speaker 1: then what are we talking about? Well, we need the
Speaker 1: next guy? Why? Because that's how we that's what the
Speaker 1: draft is for when killed, just for the future. Can
Speaker 1: we just draft him twenty second? Why can't do my script?
Speaker 1: This is like it's like in sixth grade when you
Speaker 1: built the volcano? What place did you finish? I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has the guy at the wrong spot. Though.
Speaker 1: It's not nothing to do with his spots. It's just
Speaker 1: his choices. Yeah, we're down, we're going into so we're
Speaker 1: pick one sixteen sixteen, and he has selected a defensive player.
Speaker 1: He's about to pick a linebacker who won't be there
Speaker 1: at one sixteen, So he might be okay. He was
Speaker 1: in the simulator. It was Dane's board. Darius Lenard is
Speaker 1: the fourth round pick. I don't think he'll be there either.
Speaker 1: I don't think he would be either. This is it
Speaker 1: worked out well here. This is like the guys who
Speaker 1: tweet us all day, like, look, I got DJ Moore
Speaker 1: in the third round. That's a great point because after
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard the fifth round is not unrealistic. It was
Speaker 1: Edo Smith, okay, or that might have been the fourth round.
Speaker 1: Comp who'd you get in the sixth Derese Fountain, Northern Iowa?
Speaker 1: See Darius Phillips cornerback, Western Michigan. That's that seems like
Speaker 1: the right Let's go back to Fountain though, would you
Speaker 1: like and you're kind of the wide receiver whisper Dane
Speaker 1: has been talking about him the Northern Iowa kid. I
Speaker 1: mean he's like, hey, someone's gonna hit this guy. Maybe
Speaker 1: fourth round, you know that type of Well, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about a little bit about what you saw with him
Speaker 1: at Northern Iowa. He had a terrible quarterback. That's I
Speaker 1: guess that's not what you like about him now. But
Speaker 1: I thought what he liked Brown at Notre Dame well,
Speaker 1: and so did Calvin Ridley, and so did DJ Moore,
Speaker 1: and so did lots of others. But I thought for
Speaker 1: him it was so bad that you're doing some projecting.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't think he'll go all that high,
Speaker 1: because you don't get to see him run a ton
Speaker 1: of routes because of the quarterback limitations. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of stops, it's a lot of slant routes, and it's
Speaker 1: a lot of chunk it down the field and hope.
Speaker 1: But I think he's really really good at the top
Speaker 1: of the route. He is one of the best in
Speaker 1: this class at when we get to the top of
Speaker 1: a route, I have to throw this guy off of
Speaker 1: me because my quarterback's not any good, right and we
Speaker 1: can't run anything down the field. They know I'm running
Speaker 1: stop routes. I just have to move them. And he
Speaker 1: moves them and makes place. Oh he physically moves is
Speaker 1: what he does. Yeah, tested well, Uh, great at the
Speaker 1: Shrine game, great during the Shrine week. Don't know if
Speaker 1: he has a lot of long speed, but he's he's
Speaker 1: got that short area burst. I just I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot to work with. I don't think guy you
Speaker 1: want to throw. He was a guy on the thirty
Speaker 1: visits for a lot of teams that they and the
Speaker 1: reason why is because of the medical because he didn't
Speaker 1: go to the combine right, so he had to go
Speaker 1: and hit a lot of these uh you know, get
Speaker 1: physicals because teams didn't know a whole physic didn't know
Speaker 1: much about him. So okay, oh I missed Derek Naughty
Speaker 1: the Florida State dtackle. We took him in the fourth
Speaker 1: compick I fourth ron compick. Hate your mock draft because
Speaker 1: I got too many good values. It's Dane's board. They're
Speaker 1: all good players. Yeah, Leonard's probably not there. Naughty I
Speaker 1: doubt is there. Fountain maybe not. But other than that,
Speaker 1: we're good. I'll tell you what I liked it. You
Speaker 1: can just move Leonard up to the third if it
Speaker 1: makes you feel bad. It doesn't, then we'll just play
Speaker 1: it out a different way. It does make me feel better.
Speaker 1: You don't like it because because the the just the
Speaker 1: because it'll be there. No, No, he's probably because of
Speaker 1: the offensive players. It's well, it's okay. I don't think
Speaker 1: this team needs a tight end on day one or
Speaker 1: day two or you know what I'm trying to like.
Speaker 1: I don't see the point. This team needs somebody to
Speaker 1: run down the field and make a pleasure. Right now,
Speaker 1: they have zero people to not gonna be on the field.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be on the field. I'm not well.
Speaker 1: When is the coach? When are we When are you
Speaker 1: gonna have the coaching staff informed? Jason Witten? We love you,
Speaker 1: You're a captain. You play a bunch of snaps. You
Speaker 1: don't play every snap? Do you believe that? All again,
Speaker 1: this goes back to what you think should happen, or
Speaker 1: what you think will happen. Should happen to this doesn't?
Speaker 1: That does nothing for me. I'm here to coach. Should
Speaker 1: happen does nothing for me. Will happen matters? And I'm
Speaker 1: saying Jason Witten will play ninety five percent or more
Speaker 1: of the snaps. All right, we'll pick a tight end
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. There we go. That's fine. That
Speaker 1: might be a new staff. The other thing is good point,
Speaker 1: you really feel good enough about this defense that you're
Speaker 1: not going to address it until the third or fourth round.
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about this defense. I think if
Speaker 1: you pick up up one linebacker that you think can
Speaker 1: play fifty percent of the snaps, you're okay on defense
Speaker 1: by picking him where you did too, I do I
Speaker 1: like him. I like Leonard too. I know to be
Speaker 1: I'll argue against myself. Anthony Hitchins was not a bad
Speaker 1: player as a rookie as a fourth round pick. Oh,
Speaker 1: it was really good. So I mean it can be done.
Speaker 1: But man, I really we could have taken Josie Jewel there.
Speaker 1: Surely you think he can step in and play right?
Speaker 1: The offense is just not The offense is not a
Speaker 1: problem for me right now, Like there's ways you could
Speaker 1: improve it, to be sure. Okay, So here's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: What I'm doing is what you've been doing to me.
Speaker 1: I'm asking what is this team going to do? Like
Speaker 1: with this coaching staff, I think your struggles are if
Speaker 1: adversity hits, somebody gets hurt, how are we going to
Speaker 1: do adjust for it? Now? If everything is perfect, how
Speaker 1: are we going to win with this team? We're going
Speaker 1: to block everyone, We're going to protect our quarterback perfectly,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get five or six yards every point.
Speaker 1: That's our plan. So let's get the players to do it.
Speaker 1: But I think you can do that without using your
Speaker 1: nineteenth overall pick on a guard well, then why don't
Speaker 1: we do it better? Well, I mean there's that what
Speaker 1: if we score on every drive? I get it, we
Speaker 1: could do that. Man, I just I just can't. I
Speaker 1: just can't understand. I cannot stop thinking about that three
Speaker 1: or four games stretch where they didn't have an effective
Speaker 1: linebacker and they literally looked like a high school team.
Speaker 1: Oh be honest. My biggest problem is that we watched
Speaker 1: the players. That's my biggest problem is that in these spots,
Speaker 1: when I got there, it's my best player. When I
Speaker 1: got there, it's my best player. And I have to
Speaker 1: go away from that at positions where I do need
Speaker 1: help in order to go a different route. How do
Speaker 1: you think they see their defense? Well, they gotta know
Speaker 1: they need a linebacker or two. How about two. They
Speaker 1: got to know they need at least one. Problem. There's
Speaker 1: things I don't always agree with Nicky about, But Nicky's like,
Speaker 1: look at the linebackers. They need a safety, just one
Speaker 1: in the room. He doesn't have to it's depth, but
Speaker 1: they need How about the safety? About the long term
Speaker 1: outlook of your defensive tackles. I want to know from
Speaker 1: the time we started this show until right now, I've
Speaker 1: gone from like maybe they'll pick Vita Vea too. They
Speaker 1: gotta pick Vita Vea. Like this sounds great to me.
Speaker 1: I like that you're helping out a lot of people
Speaker 1: with that pick, right, And I mean you taught David
Speaker 1: Irving what's his long term future here? Yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: one year exactly. See to me, looking at these defens
Speaker 1: with David Irving, I look at I look at a
Speaker 1: situation where they go the defensive tackles it was yesterday.
Speaker 1: Didn't bother me. I'm sitting in a situation where I'm
Speaker 1: thinking they need defensive tackles anyway. I mean it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at being hurt, that needs
Speaker 1: a little more dire if he can't play at all
Speaker 1: because he's not available for sure. So sure, I mean
Speaker 1: there's that yeah. So see, I'm just I just don't
Speaker 1: know what they really think about their defense, you know,
Speaker 1: because they talked about it today with you know, Chris Richard.
Speaker 1: You know, they said, oh, we're gonna do some things different.
Speaker 1: They have Byron Jones and all. You know, what, what
Speaker 1: are they going to do different? I mean they're glad,
Speaker 1: they're glass half full people, and I'm a glass half empty. Person.
Speaker 1: Sure's how I am. So, I'm sure that even had
Speaker 1: a quarterback in a decade. Now, I'm just taking shots
Speaker 1: they can do that because nobody cares how ableeen Christian does.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, um, But I'm sure they I'm
Speaker 1: sure they feel good about it, and you know, in
Speaker 1: the optimistic sense. But again, I mean, if there is
Speaker 1: a position on a football team that they feel like
Speaker 1: they have to address in this draft, it's got to
Speaker 1: be linebacker, right yeah, I would think. So if I
Speaker 1: tell you could only make one pick this weekend, what
Speaker 1: are you picking one pick? Yeah? I need lineback, I means, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the best play, all right. I Well,
Speaker 1: I'm okay. I admire Jeffrey I do, and I know
Speaker 1: I get where he's coming from. But I don't know
Speaker 1: there's You're right, I factor in need too, But I
Speaker 1: think you need a linebacker. I do think you need
Speaker 1: an offensive line. Well, but I mean me personally, I
Speaker 1: mean I came from the school in Green Bay where
Speaker 1: it was it was best available. I mean I learned
Speaker 1: about Lamar Jackson. That's I mean, that's let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, that's crazy talk, right Well, in and in
Speaker 1: a in a in a vacuum, it's not. But for
Speaker 1: this team it is. Well ask me what go ahead? No, no,
Speaker 1: I mean that's it's an interesting thought. Well, Lamar Jackson's
Speaker 1: there at nineteen. Is he the best player on that?
Speaker 1: And that is an extreme example, one of the one
Speaker 1: of my top guys. You can take it back. You
Speaker 1: can take it back to last year. Dalvin Cook was
Speaker 1: there when they picked and there ended up. It's turned
Speaker 1: into best it's best available, best available with need, right,
Speaker 1: that's what it's turned to and need. But I think
Speaker 1: unless you are the Ron Wolf Green Bay Packers, and
Speaker 1: unless unless we just know you're going to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: then that that's how everybody funds. But the probably the
Speaker 1: thing about it is I felt like though, if you
Speaker 1: did best available player to start and then you hit
Speaker 1: needs after the first two rounds, then I felt like
Speaker 1: you you had best you know, at least of a chance.
Speaker 1: It's of missing that first pick. That's kind of what
Speaker 1: I always thought. I sound like a broken record, but
Speaker 1: I've never been more clueless or more intrigued about what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. And in the first round, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the big picks. I mean, either this is
Speaker 1: a fascinating draft. It's I think it's I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna be an all timer. Not in I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows what it's gonna be like in terms of
Speaker 1: like how it pans out. Honestly, if like this, I
Speaker 1: feel like this could be a lot like twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: where you look at it and you're like, a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys were not very good. Let me ask
Speaker 1: But in terms of the unpredictability of it, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of the craziest drafts. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. There's a guy who won't let me
Speaker 1: take an offensive line I didn't say that. Do you
Speaker 1: acknowledge that in the first three rounds you think, hope
Speaker 1: and dream that it's a linebacker, a wide receiver, and
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman in some order. Yes, Okay, that's yes.
Speaker 1: I think that's the ideal. So we're just arguing about order. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get you, I'll get you to the second round,
Speaker 1: shall I should I go through the order that we've
Speaker 1: best combinations that we talked about with Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows. Do you still you have
Speaker 1: to have the list? Right? Yeah? Give it to me
Speaker 1: that one? All right? Now? I'm gonna give it to you. Okay,
Speaker 1: I give it to you. We had best combinations, Okay,
Speaker 1: and you weren't here. Give me the one with Quentin Nelson.
Speaker 1: Best combinations were at some point? Yeah, didn't we really? No? No,
Speaker 1: best combination one stopped stepping on my cord. Cavanaugh, your
Speaker 1: cord and the right place. Have a little respect for
Speaker 1: Miller Lite best best best combinations. Ridley Jewel Bates. Okay,
Speaker 1: Ridley Jewel Bait. That's a good one. Order did you go?
Speaker 1: I just spoiler alert. They're all They're all good. That's
Speaker 1: the point. No, they're not. How about DJ Moore Shepherd
Speaker 1: and More the Safety Shepherd to various more and more too. McGlinchey,
Speaker 1: Jisicky Warner, Is that one again? Mc McGlinchey, Jisicky and Warner.
Speaker 1: That one's out. I'm not even ok Vanderesh Harrison, Saint Brown.
Speaker 1: I don't have to write that one now, Okay, Landry Miller,
Speaker 1: Leonard This is fun Landry Miller and Leonard Okay, Evans
Speaker 1: Sharts sonat Oh, that's fun. I don't remember. Go ahead, sorry?
Speaker 1: And then how about Hernandez Gallop and Avery oh Man
Speaker 1: after my own heart? You like that one, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Gallup gives that one extra points. And then and then
Speaker 1: last one would be Veya Golden and Hamilton Penn State Hamiltons. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see. And I asked those I asked the guys
Speaker 1: what that? Who would be their best combination at it?
Speaker 1: Since you guys brought up the best combination or you're
Speaker 1: talking about it, I was curious, Now, what do you
Speaker 1: think about that? The best three combination? I think the
Speaker 1: last time we hate that. I didn't get a guard here,
Speaker 1: but Landry Miller Leonard is really, really good. Landry Miller
Speaker 1: Leonard is the only one that matters. To throw them
Speaker 1: all out. I didn't get a guard though. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Dave got Marcus Martin. You can't just say words and
Speaker 1: make them starters. So your guard ass her Nandez Gallop
Speaker 1: and you like Gallop? I do like Gallop. So what
Speaker 1: do we think about Avery? It's the Memphis kid. I
Speaker 1: love him. Throw Joe Looney in there at guard. It'll
Speaker 1: be fine. Oh we're gonna stop that. If if Joe
Speaker 1: Loudey were here, I would hug Joe Looney. That doesn't
Speaker 1: make him a starter. Really, you did a lot of
Speaker 1: good drafts. Did anybody tell you that? Yeah, these are
Speaker 1: all very good. Brian's really good at making you make
Speaker 1: an unfortunate choice. I'm gonna eliminate the one with Hamilton
Speaker 1: and and Golf just because I love Miller and Gallop more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dj Moore Shepherd is the fort Hayes Dey tackles him
Speaker 1: and more the free safety. That's good. Ridley Jewel Bates
Speaker 1: is better, So that's out. Okay, he's keeping the guard alive, Dave.
Speaker 1: You know I'm keeping the guard alive. But I thought
Speaker 1: he'd keep the guard alive because he likes Gallop. I
Speaker 1: don't have Evans as a one, so they're out to
Speaker 1: Oh okay, we got three good drafts. Ridley Jewel Bates, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Landry Anthony Miller, Darius Leonard Hernandez Gallop Avery. Yah. Are
Speaker 1: you comfortable with Avery playing fifty percent of the snaps
Speaker 1: as your mic? Sure? I am. I'm coming very comfortable
Speaker 1: with him. And by the way, if you're on periscope
Speaker 1: as well, give us sure three I'll read off some
Speaker 1: of these. The only reason this is hard is because
Speaker 1: Jeff is stubborn lying at hearing. Oh no, he That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying we're seeing how how much he's dug
Speaker 1: in on taking a guard, which is first Mickey would
Speaker 1: say guard, they need a guard, they need a garden
Speaker 1: one on Dallas Cowboys. Oh it's it's get the ten
Speaker 1: sack pass. Landry would be the best first round pick
Speaker 1: of the group. To me, well, now he's trying to
Speaker 1: mix and match. No, no, no, I just I'm trying
Speaker 1: to I'm power ranking here. Ridley is the second best
Speaker 1: first round pick. Hernandez is third. The best second round
Speaker 1: pick is Michael Gallop, the second best is Miller, the
Speaker 1: third best is Jewel. The best third round pick is Bates.
Speaker 1: That's a number one. Second best will be Leonard. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm watching, so we're adding and like golf,
Speaker 1: we want a low number. That one's seven, that one's five,
Speaker 1: and this one is six, which means our winner is Landry, Miller, Leonard.
Speaker 1: And you know that's the one that I said five
Speaker 1: minutes ago. And you know it's funny about that one
Speaker 1: that's probably got time to fill, but that that is
Speaker 1: probably the one that has the least chance of happening. Happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y won't be there when you could argue none of
Speaker 1: the three. Can I ask you this. I'm sure I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hijack this for a second. You surely may cheers?
Speaker 1: Are we uh? Are we talking enough? Are we not
Speaker 1: talking enough about the trade doown? Scenario? Is that we
Speaker 1: need to trade doown? Is it realist stick to think
Speaker 1: that they could? Which? Yeah, absolutely, I think ninety percent
Speaker 1: of Cowboys, fans, analysts, whatever would say a trade down
Speaker 1: sounds favorable. My dream is it possible? He Can't's possible?
Speaker 1: And here's my dream for you. This is my dream
Speaker 1: for you, my dream for you. We're gonna trade down.
Speaker 1: You can do a lot of work with an extra
Speaker 1: day to pick you. Guys are gonna have to find
Speaker 1: the destination to where we're going downs. Were player. We
Speaker 1: got to determine where the value of the player is.
Speaker 1: We're picking Evans. Okay, we're going down and we're picking
Speaker 1: Rashaun Evans. Who's trade getting your linebacker for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm in. Somebody's coming up for mcglinchew. Okay, New England, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the teams that could come up then.
Speaker 1: New England at twenty three, Carolina twenty four, because Cincinnati
Speaker 1: could use an offensive lineman so could Detroit. So that's
Speaker 1: that twenty and twenty one. So New England at twenty three,
Speaker 1: Carolina at twenty four, New Orleans at twenty seven. Is
Speaker 1: there a dire need for a tackle there? They have
Speaker 1: ram Chick the well, okay, I'm thinking they're gonna maybe
Speaker 1: we'll get Connor Williams. Say they're going to get Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: who they they could play guards center. Okay, because they
Speaker 1: worked out Connor Williams as as that guy. They worked
Speaker 1: out that as him as a guard center combination. So
Speaker 1: so I'm hey, anybody that wants them, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: Trade up, give me your picks. Let's go third round pick.
Speaker 1: You know, you pick up an extra three. What is
Speaker 1: what in New England? What does New England have to
Speaker 1: give me to go up from twenty three, Because that's
Speaker 1: not a huge job. They've got to give you the
Speaker 1: third round pick. And let's see if they've got a
Speaker 1: third they've got let's see what they've got on third
Speaker 1: round picks. The third round picks at ninety five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you would pick up you would pick up ninety five,
Speaker 1: so that would give you you would be picking again
Speaker 1: at let's say you'd pick at twenty three, twenty three.
Speaker 1: Evaluate that trade we're picking up. Let's get all the numbers.
Speaker 1: Let's evaluate the trade with the trade. Hold on. We
Speaker 1: are going from no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: give me, just give me. That's the that's New England.
Speaker 1: That's New England. Just say that's New England. If we
Speaker 1: make that trade, that's New England. Yeah, put in New
Speaker 1: England there. If we go to Carolina, I'm not following
Speaker 1: him either. Oh no, no, I got it now. It
Speaker 1: took me a minute, but I got it now. He's
Speaker 1: just saying labelt. That's if we try, yeah, label and
Speaker 1: see which one's the best trade for us here. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're going to Carolina. That's gonna also net you a
Speaker 1: third round pick. Carolina has in the third round. Let's
Speaker 1: see what they've got. Carolina will be at eighty five,
Speaker 1: and they got one at eighty five and one at
Speaker 1: eighty eight, so they've got two of them. So you
Speaker 1: can pick at twenty four. Both of them are aways
Speaker 1: ahead of ninety five. There for giving up one spot,
Speaker 1: and we can still get Evans. We're going to Carolina
Speaker 1: twenty four, fifty eighty one and eighty five Yep, we're
Speaker 1: going to Carolina. Yeah, I like that. Okay about okay,
Speaker 1: now let's evaluate the Saints. This is gonna be the Saints.
Speaker 1: You're gonna give you a three and a four to
Speaker 1: move up to your spot. So think about that. Okay,
Speaker 1: we know we're gonna get our guy at twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Who are our guys? Can we say Evans and Hernandez
Speaker 1: Evans as um a receiver? I mean yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you thought you could think about your receivers. We'll get
Speaker 1: a guy. We'll get a guy we really like because
Speaker 1: in the mock draft yesterday, DJ Moore went to Carolina
Speaker 1: at twenty four. Not only that, but I'm if you
Speaker 1: give me two extra picks and move me back to
Speaker 1: twenty seven, I'm I'll draft Courtland Sudden. I'll take him
Speaker 1: at twenty seven if I get two extra picks. Okay,
Speaker 1: with that two extra picks? Am I okay? With that pick? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Let me let me give you the one to know
Speaker 1: the other names available, Yes, let me get you. Let
Speaker 1: me get you the names. Let me let me get
Speaker 1: you the picks. Okay. If we moved to if we
Speaker 1: moved to New Orleans again, that's going from nineteen to
Speaker 1: twenty seven. That's a third round in a fourth round
Speaker 1: the Saints currently own they own they would own a
Speaker 1: pick number ninety one that would be in the third round,
Speaker 1: and then let's go and they would own pick one
Speaker 1: twenty six. So those are their two picks. So the Saints, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna rather take the Carolina trade. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the Carolina trade him at twenty four instead of twenty seven,
Speaker 1: and I get eighty five instead of ninety one and
Speaker 1: one twenty six, I agree with what I'll take Carolina.
Speaker 1: So all right, does Carolina offer your spot then where
Speaker 1: you feel like you can take the guy you need? Yes,
Speaker 1: and we've determined it's Evans, right, is that who we're
Speaker 1: trading down four to acknowledge the biggest need, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna pick the mic he's playing ball. He's playing ball.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be your friend. Yeah, you're trying to
Speaker 1: be your friend like that because then I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: my receiver. And if we need to package these to
Speaker 1: come get our linebacker, we can do it. Where can
Speaker 1: you take pain durn Payne? Not in the first okay,
Speaker 1: but you're already but you're you're thinking about you're really
Speaker 1: drafted second round players at twenty four anyway, right, twenty
Speaker 1: four scenes high. Twenty four is a little high for
Speaker 1: Evans too, but again I need the linebacker. Who do
Speaker 1: you feel better about? Then? You feel better about Evans
Speaker 1: than you do? Ye? Really better than Pain? Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 1: Do you feel about your guard? Hernandez? Hernandez versus Evans
Speaker 1: and Pain? Hernandez might be my top guy out of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take but Dave. We gotta do what David's doing. Oh,
Speaker 1: we can go now, Okay, can we go? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we're taking Hernandez. Jeric. I didn't know Dave was gonna
Speaker 1: let us. That's why I was trading down. I'll take
Speaker 1: Hernandez at twenty four. Okay, So what if I get
Speaker 1: Daniels at twenty four? Huh? I don't think so. What
Speaker 1: if Daniels goes off? They because the team that worries
Speaker 1: the team and Saniels is gonna go twenty or twenty one.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Go to Detroit, Detroit or Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: That's Cincinnati will take a big ten player. That's what
Speaker 1: they do. They do. That's the that's the Paul Brown
Speaker 1: I'm waiting doing things. I'm gonna trust you because you
Speaker 1: called Joe Mixing to Cincinnati like sure had a time.
Speaker 1: Everybody drafts big ten players. We talk about game no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But the Bengals. I gambled on Mixing going to Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know they would trade back. So I
Speaker 1: lost the wager because it was an over under number,
Speaker 1: and I knew who was gonna pick him. I just
Speaker 1: didn't know they'd trade back picking. That's a bummer. That hurt.
Speaker 1: That hurt. I'm sorry, but you feel like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't want to, you don't want you don't like. What
Speaker 1: if the Saints just off you there two? Would you
Speaker 1: feel better about that instead of taking the back to
Speaker 1: back picks that you didn't you get there? Two? There? Two?
Speaker 1: To do? What to to come up to? Come up
Speaker 1: to kid? Maybe they're doing good? What's there too? Come
Speaker 1: home fifty something? Well, let's make sure they have a two.
Speaker 1: I don't see a two. Foh you know what did
Speaker 1: they give up there too to get Kamara last year?
Speaker 1: They probably did. They don't have it too. They don't
Speaker 1: have a two. Oh, I'll screw them, no, go away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're traded with Carolina, Brian So, okay, so our trade back,
Speaker 1: our spot we want to get to then as Carolina,
Speaker 1: all right, yep, rather than y'all get y'all get so
Speaker 1: wrapped up in these hypothetical specifics. What I want to know,
Speaker 1: is it realistic to trade back, come up for who
Speaker 1: could be there at nineteen? That makes somebody want to
Speaker 1: come up, That's what I want. McGlinchey. McGlinchey, Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Connor Williams maybe, yeah, Colton Miller, yeah, any not
Speaker 1: for me, but somebody for Colton Miller. Yeah. Do any
Speaker 1: of us believe that it could be a quarterback? I don't.
Speaker 1: I think the quarterbacks are gone by fifteen. Get somebody
Speaker 1: to come up for vander esh us not pick him. No,
Speaker 1: nobody's trading up for a Boise Stay linebacker. I think
Speaker 1: that's hurtful. I'm sorry. So it's Carolina. It's gotta beIN.
Speaker 1: You're taking a line. It's got to be one of
Speaker 1: these tackles, And it makes I just I don't put
Speaker 1: that much stock in the thought of trading back because
Speaker 1: I don't know how likely that is. What if you
Speaker 1: win all the way back to my especially when people
Speaker 1: have great dreams do you immediately when they wake up?
Speaker 1: Wasn't real? I'm the guy that craps on your dreams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's me. That's kind of my brand. Unfortunately it's the
Speaker 1: terrible brand. But that's just the card that's I've been dealt.
Speaker 1: All right, You won't go to New Orleans? Though? Would
Speaker 1: you go to? Would you go to Pittsburgh for their second?
Speaker 1: Would you go to would you go to the twenty
Speaker 1: nine yeast? Would be coming up for a linebacker? What's there?
Speaker 1: What's their second? Maybe coming up for vander Their second
Speaker 1: is at A sixty twenty nine. Oh so we're doing
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen all over again? Yeah, so you're doing twenty nine,
Speaker 1: twenty nine fifty sixty, Yeah, twenty nine fifty sixty. Yeah again,
Speaker 1: because at twenty nine, I feel comfortable drafting Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 1: I don't think Pittsburgh's gonna move beyond the way if
Speaker 1: you do, if you study their history, they're just gonna
Speaker 1: wait for Rashana. They're gonna sit there. That the aggressive
Speaker 1: team is maybe New England? All right? Now going to
Speaker 1: thirty one, you're interested in going doing that? We already
Speaker 1: went to twenty three. But again, what can what can
Speaker 1: they offer me, So thirty one, they got picks, they've
Speaker 1: got there, there's they're six, they're they're one hundred and seventy.
Speaker 1: They're actually two hundred and seventy five light if we are,
Speaker 1: if we are dropping twelve spots, it better be a
Speaker 1: hell of a train. You need sixty three twenty or so,
Speaker 1: thirty one, sixty three, twenty thirty one, fifty sixty three, right,
Speaker 1: any more than that, right, that's probably unrealistic. Yeah, that No,
Speaker 1: that's on the number. Yeah, that's right on the number.
Speaker 1: That's a long drop. So it makes me feel better
Speaker 1: about drafting Courtland Sutton, though I'll draft him at thirty one. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we determined the better thing to do would be
Speaker 1: to stay then go to Carolina. If you're gonna drop,
Speaker 1: go to Carolina. If you're gonna drop, target Carolina. If
Speaker 1: we go to Carolina, we take Will Hernandez at twenty four,
Speaker 1: it's fine. Okay, we get to fifty. Uh, you're gonna
Speaker 1: want your linebacker here, right? Sure? Who's who's a second
Speaker 1: round linebacker? Board? Yeah? Okay, So we took Jewel at fifty, right,
Speaker 1: we can package eighty one and eighty five to come
Speaker 1: up for Michael Gallup. Maybe he makes it to eighty one.
Speaker 1: This is for me. I know I'm winning dreams here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know we're having great dreads. We're having an incredible draft.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna nudge or you can maybe sit there
Speaker 1: and get the receiver at eighty one and turn around
Speaker 1: and get the safety at eighty five. I really just
Speaker 1: need a body at safety. Oh you sound terrible right now.
Speaker 1: They've been playing with bodies, Jeff, I just need a dude.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna start now, he will. Jeff thinks Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods is an all pro and I like Xavier Woods.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save this whole show because what a Savior
Speaker 1: was as a good player, You're gonna serve. It's not
Speaker 1: about whether or not he's a good player. It's about Egyptians.
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Speaker 1: well done. You come every year though, right, every couple
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Speaker 1: the international appeal of the league is more obvious than
Speaker 1: the draft because people people will be tweeting us on
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Speaker 1: I did Germany, I did a Denmark. I did skype
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Speaker 1: it were flip flops and all that stuff. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you, guys, this, who is going to be the
Speaker 1: biggest surprise in this draft? The first round of the draft?
Speaker 1: The biggest where you know it's been one of those
Speaker 1: We're sitting there doing it on Friday night and we're
Speaker 1: gonna look at this thing. We're gonna go wow, Frank,
Speaker 1: Now I mean is that? I mean you're going off
Speaker 1: of their tape. It's Colton Miller yacause he should be
Speaker 1: taken on the third day. But is that the one
Speaker 1: when you know it's a quarterbacks get picked? Let me,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you if Rudolph is a one, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, that would be a sur would be a
Speaker 1: surprise to me. What if Lamargo is in the top ten?
Speaker 1: Is that a surprise? Now? No, because I haven't the
Speaker 1: second best quarterback on my board. But I mean, based
Speaker 1: on what sass Plug like, the three of us shouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised by a damn near or anything that happens.
Speaker 1: I'd take him a one. No, but the one, but
Speaker 1: like ragnow would just surprise me that that one would
Speaker 1: surprise I think I think Rudolph. I think six quarterbacks
Speaker 1: go in the first round. You think Rudolph goes that's
Speaker 1: I don't know. Teams need quarter I mean you know
Speaker 1: New England they got two picks, they need a quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: stuff like that just kind of stands out to me
Speaker 1: at and and I know you don't like Colton Miller. Y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all fix it on the tape, and you should. You
Speaker 1: should trust the tape. I get it, but because like
Speaker 1: what do you know what they're doing on tape? Playing football? Right?
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for what to do, patronizing me. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's like I said, need is such a big
Speaker 1: part of this that nobody wants to acknowledge. And there's
Speaker 1: only so many offensive packs. Why wouldn't you pick a
Speaker 1: good one? But Colton Miller is gonna go before Tyrell Crosby,
Speaker 1: the organ king. If you gotta have one, and you
Speaker 1: think a guy fits what you do here, it only
Speaker 1: takes one team, It only takes one team. Is that
Speaker 1: This is a question for Brian who turn face him. Sorry, Step,
Speaker 1: all you do is still what's wrong with y'all? Like
Speaker 1: everybody who works in the NFL, we can call the
Speaker 1: guys are going to be that are overdrafted because of
Speaker 1: the measurables in the work. We know who we're gonna be,
Speaker 1: and we know it's not gonna work with. When it doesn't,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it again. We marched to the numbers.
Speaker 1: We marched the numbers. Do with quarterbacks. I did it
Speaker 1: with quarterback and the kid Josh Allen. There's a guy
Speaker 1: he marched to the numbers. Somebody's gonna pay a lot
Speaker 1: of money to that guy, and I hope it works
Speaker 1: out for him. That's what I'm saying, though, You just
Speaker 1: you get so focused on measurables. And I've tried so
Speaker 1: hard since we've all done this now for five years,
Speaker 1: I've tried so hard to keep a different attitude about don't.
Speaker 1: Don't be married to the numbers, Brian, don't be married
Speaker 1: to you know. It's like Chark. You know he's six three,
Speaker 1: he's one ninety seven, he runs four three? Does he
Speaker 1: play like that? See? And that's what I'm saying you
Speaker 1: and I have lived that every week in LSU. We
Speaker 1: die and you know we just ah, well, you make
Speaker 1: that play. But somebody's gonna fall in love with the
Speaker 1: numbers because they always do well. Renzo Carter the Georgia,
Speaker 1: he's a guy when there somebody. Some people have him
Speaker 1: mocked in the first round, say he's a player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that that work. New England could take him at
Speaker 1: thirty one. I mean, that's the That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: New England didn't care what we think. By the way,
Speaker 1: nobody pay them, why should they. They keep going to
Speaker 1: the snow. But but but scouts, I mean, they tend
Speaker 1: to fall in line with the numbers. That's the thing
Speaker 1: I mean, And that's why. But that's why Mason Rudolph
Speaker 1: might get drafted. I mean the counter argument to that,
Speaker 1: and it works out sometimes. I mean, you you have
Speaker 1: a system, you have you have your your benchmarks, Like
Speaker 1: this guy's arms need to be this long. He needs
Speaker 1: a three cone that does this, or I don't want
Speaker 1: Carl Laws our offensive sure if that's part of it too.
Speaker 1: Our offensive tackles have to hit a certain bench So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're the Patriots, a I mean the Patriots stand
Speaker 1: out to me too, because you're like, we're going to
Speaker 1: the playoffs anyway. Our thresholds are working. Yeah, are We're
Speaker 1: going to the playoffs anyway. So let's draft Colton Miller
Speaker 1: at twenty three because because we're smarter than everybody else.
Speaker 1: Well not only well just there's there's five tackles that
Speaker 1: make sense in the first two rounds and we gotta
Speaker 1: have one, so we might as well draft this guy
Speaker 1: that fits our benchmarks, you know what I mean? How
Speaker 1: about the surprise the other way we talk about Colton Miller,
Speaker 1: that testing is going to send him to the first round.
Speaker 1: His tape says, what yeah, fourth fifth round? Guy, you
Speaker 1: have to say, zeus right now? Brown? Yeah, t says
Speaker 1: what late one second round? And that's what happened. What
Speaker 1: happened after the combine. Everybody killed the guy. Everybody everybody's
Speaker 1: sports killed the guy. Right. You know he's gonna be
Speaker 1: drafted in the top fifty and play ten years. I
Speaker 1: don't I think he'll go between like fifty and seventy five. Sure,
Speaker 1: I mean, you watch him play. He's really good. You
Speaker 1: watch play gets Ohio State. Those guys we all have
Speaker 1: jacked up the board. Yeah, he's not getting past those.
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys aren't getting past him. He's gonna
Speaker 1: drop forty or fifty picks because of his workout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. It's scout and again it's the numbers everything.
Speaker 1: Scouts can't get that out of their head. Him laboring
Speaker 1: around and you know, not doing everything you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Would Billy Price surprise here? Yeah, a little bit, because
Speaker 1: he's got the peck injury, you know, and all it
Speaker 1: just tapes that good. I mean I worry about him.
Speaker 1: I do worry about him a little bit. Like I say,
Speaker 1: I just I'm trying to I'm rap in my brain.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've If Crosby goes in the first, is
Speaker 1: that a surprise to you? Yeah, it would be. It
Speaker 1: would be. But this tack this this draft is so
Speaker 1: tackle for Yeah, especially if you're gonna play Connor Williams
Speaker 1: at guard, because that's McGlinchey. And that's what I mean,
Speaker 1: and that, like I know, I used to be forever
Speaker 1: there were four or five tackles. You could just plug
Speaker 1: him in, let's go. I can't do that. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's as crazy as y'all do that. Calton Miller
Speaker 1: will go in the first round because they're just no
Speaker 1: I hear it anybody else? All right, let me ask
Speaker 1: you guys this question. I'm gonna ask you this question.
Speaker 1: Give me this guy's underrated? Well you know mine? No?
Speaker 1: Should I say his name of fifteenth time? James Daniels Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop, um, well, ranger, what are we talking about? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy's underrated. This guy is a player that you
Speaker 1: know when at the end of the day, it's he's
Speaker 1: gonna be three, four or five years from now. He's
Speaker 1: going to be the guy. Like, man, we did not
Speaker 1: talk about him enough. I just sort of crap thought
Speaker 1: him at the start of the show. But Minka Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: like people people talk about him like nobody knows what
Speaker 1: to do with him. He's fallen down the board. Like
Speaker 1: it's not crazy to think he's the best dB in
Speaker 1: this draft and people aren't talking about him that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Duke Asia four wake forestda he's a better player than
Speaker 1: Marcus d Okay, how is the tape for you initially
Speaker 1: on him? What did you think about the tape with him?
Speaker 1: The tape kind of goes up and down, depending on
Speaker 1: the game. But I just think there's enough there that
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a ten year NFL career.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a starting defensive end and he's gonna
Speaker 1: help a football team. But this is kind of how
Speaker 1: it works, and it drives me a little bit bonkers.
Speaker 1: Asia four is a good player on tape. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he ever worked out before the combine or
Speaker 1: Combine or Pro Day. Yeah, but Davenport, who goes to
Speaker 1: a small school, just beats up on small school guys
Speaker 1: like he should, and he may go top fifteen. Asia
Speaker 1: four is going to go fifty five, right, and I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have the better career. He's got some
Speaker 1: edge rush ability though you watch him, I mean he
Speaker 1: can dip, get around the corner, getting it gets real small?
Speaker 1: Can you carry on Johnson's underrated? Okay it depends on when.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1: Brian and Dan talk about him like you should go
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen. Okay, how about this. Then there's
Speaker 1: my next question. You guys need a real running back
Speaker 1: in the third round. Who's your guy? Hines? Real real
Speaker 1: running back? You need a real running back Hines are Wadley,
Speaker 1: is it too high to take Kelly there? I'd take
Speaker 1: Kelly there, Tennessee Kelly right, Yeah, I actually Iowa Wadley,
Speaker 1: I would I would take too. I love Widley, I
Speaker 1: know you do. I really do, least always like him
Speaker 1: and Josie Joel. I mean, I think what I was
Speaker 1: gonna put it. I would watch what they're gonna put in.
Speaker 1: They're gonna put in a corner in. They're gonna put
Speaker 1: a linebacker in, they gonna put a running back in.
Speaker 1: That's what Iowa does. They like they churn out, dude,
Speaker 1: They're gonna put a center in. They go eight and
Speaker 1: four every three years, they make a run at the
Speaker 1: Big Ten title. Yeah that's I mean, that's it's like
Speaker 1: the sun rising and setting. They're gonna have two guys
Speaker 1: go in the first round. Yeah, and four guys go
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds. Well, no, no, no, Wadley
Speaker 1: will probably go in the fourth. Rod Maybe this is
Speaker 1: Riley might be the best one of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: when when the running backs of those third round running
Speaker 1: backs were talking about call this recency bias because Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara was just offensive rookie of the Year, but John
Speaker 1: Kelly is a tough Oh John Kelly, Yeah, exactly, catch
Speaker 1: them catch the ball? Sure can. I like that. I
Speaker 1: would draft that guy. It's just like, Okay, Kelly, two
Speaker 1: tough guys, Kelly Galden. You know we're talking about two
Speaker 1: really tough guys that somebody's gonna get. I wish, I
Speaker 1: wish the Cowboys. I almost wish the Cowboys needed are
Speaker 1: running back better, like more than they do, because it
Speaker 1: would be do they do they? I mean when you
Speaker 1: think about Will Okay, only got two on the ross. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even you even made the boy today about Rod Smith.
Speaker 1: But okay, if this remember remember how much fun twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen was when we were arguing about Jeff's boy Duke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Ke's a good player in Cleveland, Tevin Coleman, it
Speaker 1: would be so much guy, if the Cowboys needed a
Speaker 1: feature back right now, they would have like a well,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd be arguing about Darius Geist right now,
Speaker 1: but they don't. Philadelphia, tra Quan Smith is underrated day
Speaker 1: day three, Day three, which is different than day one two.
Speaker 1: So Okaron quos underrated. M Oh, you're naming all Oklahoma guys. Now,
Speaker 1: I didn't name all I named and Oklahoma. I wonder
Speaker 1: why Oklahoma guys and Oklahoma guy, A man is not
Speaker 1: paying attention to us. Oh, there she is, and Oklahoma
Speaker 1: guy and he's underrated. What round does Shakim Griffin go?
Speaker 1: I bet he sneaks into the end of two. I
Speaker 1: think y'all are crazy. Which this plays right back into
Speaker 1: what we'll say three. I'm gonna officially say three. What
Speaker 1: like scouts can't get over certain things right, right, So
Speaker 1: no matter what you see on tape, you talk to
Speaker 1: these scouts and they will like, well, he's got one hand,
Speaker 1: Brian exactly. I mean that they play about the guy
Speaker 1: he does that, and then they're gonna be like, he's
Speaker 1: missing a left hand. Let's say, third round, fourth round,
Speaker 1: fourth yesterday, and that mock that we did he with
Speaker 1: eighty six in Kansas City, that's borderline fourth, right, it's
Speaker 1: getting close. Maybe it's towards the three. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna get a held of football team. You've been
Speaker 1: saying that since Oh I do. I just believe. I
Speaker 1: believe in him. I'm not hating hippo. Very that's a
Speaker 1: good one. That is a very good one. I think
Speaker 1: that's Doug Free I think it's an athletic Doug Free Mirrow.
Speaker 1: Doug Free came in and he was kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, position all that this is what this kid
Speaker 1: can do. They got a massive guy on the right side,
Speaker 1: and they got a really light athletic guy on the left.
Speaker 1: Where do you think Shack Griffin goes I got in
Speaker 1: the third round? I have him in the fourth and
Speaker 1: the third. I didn't ask him where you had him?
Speaker 1: Oh what team he goes to? Just where where do
Speaker 1: you think he's actually when do you think he's gonna go?
Speaker 1: More like third round? Whatever? I can give you a number.
Speaker 1: Not you're great, No, you're the team. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you a team. I'll give you a team. He's gonna
Speaker 1: go to Where's where's my bunch in Seattle? They don't
Speaker 1: have a third round pick. Let's talk second No, no, no,
Speaker 1: here we go, Here we go here. I got your team.
Speaker 1: I got your team right here, I got your team.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go to Atlanta at ninety Okay, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this a linebacker group. You're the linebacker guys
Speaker 1: are gonna run that team. We'll get ready. We're playing
Speaker 1: that bunch again next year. Yeah. One sat Griffin. You okay,
Speaker 1: he's not because he's got in the fourth round. I'm
Speaker 1: not okay with that. I'm sorry. I hate Why do
Speaker 1: you hate Shatt Griffin? I hate to be the dasher
Speaker 1: of dreams. I just I just if I'm a great production,
Speaker 1: great athlete can cover, I'm on tackle, I'm I'm mentally weak.
Speaker 1: That's why, like, I just I want a guy that
Speaker 1: I'm leaning on to be okay of of those like okay,
Speaker 1: of the linebackers that we think are kind of bad,
Speaker 1: wouldn't a one handed chat Griffin be better than some
Speaker 1: of those guys we've talked about, some those linebackers that
Speaker 1: we would keep Mitch possible. You know, y'all, are y'all
Speaker 1: are calling me a hater? No, no, nobody's calling you
Speaker 1: a hat I am. I am you taking check Griffin over,
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard. Let me check my board, because the board
Speaker 1: will never lie to you. If the board never lies,
Speaker 1: the board will absolutely never lie to you. Board set
Speaker 1: you free line. But this isn't even my board. I
Speaker 1: have too many people's boards in front of me right
Speaker 1: now because I'm doing a project. I'll let you know
Speaker 1: in a minute. I need to find my board. I
Speaker 1: have him over Leonard. How about Fred Warner? I have
Speaker 1: him over Fred Warner from b YU, So you're comfortable
Speaker 1: with that. I just am a fan of the player.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think you could have him behind Leonard?
Speaker 1: All right, so you would go Leonard, Jeff, I have
Speaker 1: him behind Warner. But I'm about to move Warner because
Speaker 1: that's wrong. That's the beauty of a board. Warner just
Speaker 1: got motion. If you're not actually making the picks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Warner just got moved down. I am sorry. I just
Speaker 1: I those top top one hundred picks are just so important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet you're gonna get a guy that can play.
Speaker 1: I know you are, but can play well. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna play well. I don't he don't. Don't deny
Speaker 1: that kid. You have to you don't have to put
Speaker 1: any limitations on what he can do. I think football,
Speaker 1: go get it. That's my limitations. What about what if
Speaker 1: you if you need a ride to the plane, I'll
Speaker 1: get you to the plane too. If I think if
Speaker 1: Jalen's on your roster, he fits just fine. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you need to compliment Jalen, so it's fine between the
Speaker 1: two of them. Will have one complete linebacker. Right, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: You picked one of them at thirty four. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get the other one at eighty one. They
Speaker 1: they picked him at thirty four. Why or why not
Speaker 1: on the part of the company. Here we go, I'm
Speaker 1: a company man. Why or why not? On Arden? Key? Okay,
Speaker 1: can I do why not? No? Because that's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say. Okay, go ahead. I just we just did this.
Speaker 1: We just got out. We're actually we're still on this
Speaker 1: train because Randy Gregory's expected to apply for reinstatement. I
Speaker 1: just no, just no. You don't want is it You
Speaker 1: don't want to do with it as a journalist, or
Speaker 1: you don't want to deal with it as well. Selfishly,
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with it, Key, because you've
Speaker 1: seen him. I mean, that was our guy. Selfishly, I
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with it in the sense of
Speaker 1: like the story, but just draft a guy you can
Speaker 1: count on to be there. How much I had this
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody just off the record, off the air
Speaker 1: the other day, like how much better would this team
Speaker 1: be right now if Randy Gregory had played forty or
Speaker 1: more games in his career, Like if he had been
Speaker 1: a meaningful part of all thy eight games, like how
Speaker 1: much better would they be? They'd probably be a lot better, yea.
Speaker 1: And instead it's just this gaping hole where they got nothing.
Speaker 1: What if they do that again? Let that be somebody
Speaker 1: else's gamble. Man. I'm not I'm not down. So you're
Speaker 1: saying you're you're saying they should learn their lesson from
Speaker 1: Art and Key, because I if at eighty one you
Speaker 1: could maybe talk me into it, I start. I'm definitely
Speaker 1: not doing it at fifty or definitely not ninety. I
Speaker 1: think eighty one's too early for the player on tape.
Speaker 1: Which tape did you watch last year? Last year? To
Speaker 1: watch the year before that? If you're willing, well, if
Speaker 1: you do Landry, Landry going to do it for Landry? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: because Harold Landry, from all I know, is a decent
Speaker 1: character guy who is going out there and trying to
Speaker 1: play football. Arden Key is a guy who you have
Speaker 1: character questions about, you have Randy Gregory questions about, and
Speaker 1: then in the job interview for his career to save
Speaker 1: his career, he looked fat, out of shape and disinterested. Go.
Speaker 1: I mean all of that's true. If you get to
Speaker 1: the sixth round, Dave that we'll talk to you. How
Speaker 1: dare you? That's not that Art? He couldn't play last year,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a good football player. Two years ago, he
Speaker 1: was one of the best pass rushers in LSU history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they had some good defensive ends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have. And this year was his job interview and
Speaker 1: he was fat. Well he came. Yeah, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I thought when he went away on the sabbatical that
Speaker 1: he was going to come back ready to play, and
Speaker 1: he was. I don't want to spend a top one
Speaker 1: hundred pick on a guy that needs a sabbatical, yet
Speaker 1: the sabbatical works. I'd move you up around a guy
Speaker 1: who's had a sabbatical. That's like getting married. But that's
Speaker 1: a life shift. He's going to Cincinnati. I don't. I
Speaker 1: just don't Cincinnatty. If Art and Key got it together
Speaker 1: over that offseason, he'd have been in shape. No, it's
Speaker 1: and and he wouldn't literally anybody else that he played
Speaker 1: his way into shape last Yeah, that's awful. I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't know that ain't arkag No, that's not the
Speaker 1: right kind of guy. And that's Garrett. If Garrett. Hopefully
Speaker 1: Garrett's in that draft room on Friday or Saturday, being like,
Speaker 1: didn't we just do this? Might taking crazy? But Gregory
Speaker 1: was good. No, and Randy Gregory's last on the phone
Speaker 1: conversation that Garrett was coach. You're not gonna have to
Speaker 1: worry about me. I think Garrett had to be convinced
Speaker 1: to take you know. And and let's be honest, they
Speaker 1: brought Arton Key and who was here we'd normally see
Speaker 1: Galvin Hill. Calvin Hill was here having lunch with arden Key,
Speaker 1: so mart Man, so we'll see what figure out. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're down to our last few minutes here coming out
Speaker 1: of this draft. You're gonna be happy or disappointed when
Speaker 1: you when when it's all said and done, when you
Speaker 1: walk out of here, are you gonna be happy or
Speaker 1: you to be disappointed when we do the final when
Speaker 1: the final picks made on Saturday. Atter. Better of fact, folks,
Speaker 1: we're on with Dallas Cowboys dot Com and all the
Speaker 1: platforms on with the Window five three with Jeff and
Speaker 1: Kat as well, so we're we'll all be talking about
Speaker 1: this like we are now. But when you come out
Speaker 1: of here on Saturday evening, how are you going to
Speaker 1: feel about this draft. I think I'll be disappointed. I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna be satisfied. I'm not gonna be fist
Speaker 1: pumping and back flipping. But I'm not gonna be upset either,
Speaker 1: because you've got too many picks to where they're not
Speaker 1: going to do something you like. You know, they're even
Speaker 1: and I don't expect them to make all ten, but
Speaker 1: they'll probably make seven or eight. And if you add
Speaker 1: seven or eight guys to your team in one weekend,
Speaker 1: you're gonna like a few of them, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you probably. I probably won't be freaking out.
Speaker 1: I've already resigned myself to the thought that I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna love the first round pick for one reason or another.
Speaker 1: I just hope it's I hope it's useful, like defensive
Speaker 1: tackle line. You make your team better doing that. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's not a guy who's gonna contend for defensive Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year. Maybe we get our guy James Daniels,
Speaker 1: which that would be exciting, But I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come out of it just like, yeah, this is amazing.
Speaker 1: But I think it'll be somewhere in between. You can't
Speaker 1: screw up. When you're making this many picks, you can't
Speaker 1: screw them all up, not with their track record over
Speaker 1: the last five or six years. Jeffrey, I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a glass half empty guy. I assume it's gonna go
Speaker 1: in a way that I hate it, so that if
Speaker 1: it doesn't, I can be really really happy. And if
Speaker 1: it does, that's cool. I expected that just looking at
Speaker 1: their visits and listening to it. I just I'm worried
Speaker 1: that what they're gonna do in the first round is
Speaker 1: they're gonna pick a linebacker, and I'm gonna think it's
Speaker 1: a reach, and I'm gonna want to be wrong, but
Speaker 1: that's going to be what I'm going to think when
Speaker 1: the first round is over. So that's my biggest worry
Speaker 1: is that they're gonna take a linebacker in the first round.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like the pick, and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: hope that I did a bad job about Let me go,
Speaker 1: let me go hypothetical here real quick. Let's let's say
Speaker 1: that they do take the linebacker and you don't love it,
Speaker 1: but it's it feels a need. What if you just
Speaker 1: absolutely love pick fifty. Let's say it's let's say it's Michael.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's Michael Gallo. I'll be right back. All right,
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, and that's the point. You got
Speaker 1: enough picks and there's enough good players in this draft
Speaker 1: that we get Corbett at eighty one. Sure if you
Speaker 1: want them all right back above us here at the
Speaker 1: at the bar, here Todd Archer is doing a mock
Speaker 1: draft for ESPN, and he just picked Layton Vanderish. Shocking,
Speaker 1: He's shocking. I'm six four, two fifty six and if
Speaker 1: you are two hundred and five pounds, he'll run me over.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Archer, Archer, Yeah, it's just something here,
Speaker 1: I got all these TVs and who did you guys
Speaker 1: are talking? He picked Tacco showing all the missed tackles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well here's uh again, uh Todd Archer from ESPN Dallas.
Speaker 1: Uh he's or ESPN excuse me, picked Layton Vanderish. So
Speaker 1: here we go with that. So this more than any year,
Speaker 1: you know, you're it's just it's kind of nondescript, like
Speaker 1: you're not picking at the top, you're not picking at
Speaker 1: the very back. You're right there, no man's land. So
Speaker 1: what are the odds? I mean, the way the draft
Speaker 1: work says, You're probably not going to be thrilled about
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys you get, because right in
Speaker 1: the middle, you wide receiver, I'll be happy. You're not
Speaker 1: getting that back of the round value where it's like
Speaker 1: the best second round pick, and you're not getting the
Speaker 1: top of the round, so you're just kind of you're
Speaker 1: getting the leftovers. So you know, if they pick a
Speaker 1: linebacker at nineteen, it's not going to excite anybody, but
Speaker 1: I think it is useful they need it. If they
Speaker 1: draft a wide receiver, I don't think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna contend for Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 1: but I think it'll be useful. That's I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come out of this draft saying, I'm not rushing
Speaker 1: out to buy any of these guys jerseys, but I
Speaker 1: think they made their team better. Like that's how I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm gonna feel. We'll talk about that today
Speaker 1: and as we get close this down. Jerry thought that
Speaker 1: his team was better. Yeah, that his team was better
Speaker 1: after which the end of the season, he said, you
Speaker 1: think crazy. He thinks they're better because they have clarity
Speaker 1: about what they need to do, which bates. So He's
Speaker 1: says the clarity meant that they know. They don't have
Speaker 1: said you think we're better, because we have clarity, that
Speaker 1: we know where we're bad. That's basically what he says.
Speaker 1: They're not better today. Obviously they're they're clearly worse. But
Speaker 1: it also doesn't matter because you don't play. They're not
Speaker 1: for a while. The draft is not done yet. They're
Speaker 1: not better the draft. It matters by Sunday. By Sunday afternoon,
Speaker 1: when the priority free agent class is done signing, they'll
Speaker 1: be That's what you need to be better. They'll be
Speaker 1: just as good, if not better. I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: Are they closer to the Eagles? Or is there's still
Speaker 1: this cavern we think super Bowl too? Is somebody finally
Speaker 1: gonna win the NFC East twice in or own? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. Where's the talent? Where's the relations to the Eagles?
Speaker 1: I don't. Eagles don't have a big hole. They don't
Speaker 1: have a big hole on the roster. I know. I
Speaker 1: just I don't think of the NFL that way like
Speaker 1: the Eagle. The Eagles went from seven to nine or
Speaker 1: and yeah, and the Cowboys were thirteen three the year
Speaker 1: before that, like it's there by Sunday. I think the
Speaker 1: Eagles will be the better team. But I don't look
Speaker 1: at it as like this cavernous gap that nobody can
Speaker 1: hope to overcome. If they add guys like guy, oh God,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to make luxury picks and then and
Speaker 1: sometimes players fall right in your lap. That's what happens
Speaker 1: when when you're winning the Super Bowl, absolutely right, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Connor Williams. He's gonna fall in their
Speaker 1: lap and he's gonna take over for Jason Peters in
Speaker 1: a year, and they're just gonna keep cruising better. Connor
Speaker 1: Williams and Darius guys. The pick is going. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stick with the guy I've been Rashaun Evans. I just
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stick with it. Yeah, Calvin Ridley, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna speaking into existence. Yeah, I'll stick with it.
Speaker 1: I've said it all along. They're gonna take Layton Vanderish. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think so. We've been pretty consistent with that. I happened.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not thinking. I think Michael Gallup, I
Speaker 1: think you jumped onto that before that. I've jumped on
Speaker 1: that and you know what, I hope I'm wrong to
Speaker 1: be honest with you. Push push, Harold Landry. There's nothing
Speaker 1: better than a good story of a guy overcome what
Speaker 1: we think. Yeah, let's go Vanderish all right, guys, Hey,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for all your insight. I'm
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