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Speaker 2: Twenty Laporta fifteen, spinning at the ten, fighting at the five,

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Speaker 2: to the Endzone touchdown to Detroit Lions. It is week

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Speaker 2: ten of the NFL season, which is crazy to think

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Speaker 2: about it. It's rolling out. This is the twenty in

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Speaker 2: the Huddle podcast. I am Tim Twentyman joined by Eric

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Speaker 2: Woodyard does a great job covering everything Detroit Lions for ESPN.

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Speaker 2: There's taking the time. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 2: How's the son doing basketball? Is getting rolling here?

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Speaker 3: Busy, busy, busy, busy. He got a whole schedule of

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Speaker 2: That's tough because mine plays hockey. Was just in the

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Speaker 2: And especially for you because I mean, I know you're

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Speaker 3: And yeah it is. Man. We just went down Indiana

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Speaker 3: I don't want to pay for schools.

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Speaker 2: I hear you. Mine's a senior and he's getting into

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Speaker 3: I think it was just they looked extremely rusty. I mean,

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Speaker 2: So sixty three point three yards that that's not Lions football.

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Speaker 3: Biggest bounce back. Man, I'm gonna stick with my guy, Gibbs. Man,

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Speaker 2: We are on the same page, Jamior Gibbs right here.

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Speaker 3: In your opinion, I think anytime this offense steps on

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Speaker 2: I feel like, are you looking at no shit? Because

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Speaker 2: They don't pressure the quarterback a lot from the edge.

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Speaker 2: They're down a bunch of defensive ends. They're twenty eighth

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Speaker 2: I think they realized how rusty they were no excuse

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Speaker 2: It's a Washington team reeling a little bit. I know

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Speaker 2: But you can't do that. You got to come back,

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Speaker 3: You got because we thought the same thing with Minnesota

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Speaker 2: Given Sunday, we'll both be there in Washington on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Very happy to welcome the DJ Reader defensive tackle for

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Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions. How you doing And I say defensive

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I had a chance.

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Speaker 2: So what were you so? If people don't out there

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Speaker 2: don't know. Batted five hundred high school career, went to Clemson,

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Speaker 2: But you were throwing what mid nineties, back when you

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Speaker 2: How big were you as a picture? I mean you've

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Speaker 4: him throwing the first, feels him throw the first, feels

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00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 4: the throw the first, and then it looks at me

435
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,399
Speaker 4: and goes I told you I could pitch. And I'm like, whatever, dude.

436
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,200
Speaker 2: Like you get that moment where like the ball goes

437
00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,080
Speaker 2: to the outfield and the kid catches it and the

438
00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,680
Speaker 2: parents and everybody like freaks out, like, oh my god,

439
00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 2: he card.

440
00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,159
Speaker 4: I was like, he just make three outs by so

441
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,480
Speaker 4: didn't come over to me, like, dude.

442
00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,440
Speaker 2: I told your dad, No, it ain't no thing.

443
00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,080
Speaker 4: I I don't know why y'all don't believe me. I'm like,

444
00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,320
Speaker 4: it's crazy. But yeah, so young rock and he enjoys it.

445
00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,640
Speaker 4: He likes Yeah, he's he's more in the boxing though. Okay,

446
00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,440
Speaker 4: likes contact, very big on football player. Eventually, you think,

447
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,640
Speaker 4: so we're.

448
00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,199
Speaker 2: Lowing your way to that one.

449
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he doesn't like flag football. He wants to

450
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:23,800
Speaker 4: hit somebody.

451
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000
Speaker 2: Of course, he's definitely a reader.

452
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:31,760
Speaker 4: So we're slow playing in contact football. It's uh. I

453
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,639
Speaker 4: think it's important to do, but I want to be

454
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,040
Speaker 4: there a little bit more to be able to coach

455
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,240
Speaker 4: him through contact football.

456
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,240
Speaker 2: It's fun, isn't it. Yeah, when they get to that

457
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,120
Speaker 2: age and they start to do that stuff with their

458
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,240
Speaker 2: personality and the sports a little bit. All right, let's

459
00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,480
Speaker 2: get to football a little bit. You guys have been

460
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,360
Speaker 2: so good over the last few years. I know you've

461
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,800
Speaker 2: only been here this is your second season, but twelve

462
00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,760
Speaker 2: and zero after a loss since twenty twenty two? What

463
00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,840
Speaker 2: is it about this team, this coaching staff, the way

464
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,520
Speaker 2: Dan approaches it that you guys have been able to

465
00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,119
Speaker 2: kind of turn the page and get back to playing

466
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,120
Speaker 2: winning football. You're obviously looking to do that again.

467
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,479
Speaker 4: This hard. I think just the mentality after loss. Nobody

468
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,600
Speaker 4: wants it to happen, honestly, but I think the mentality is, like,

469
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,359
Speaker 4: you got to turn the page. I've always looked at

470
00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,359
Speaker 4: losses like how I looked at throwing balls when I

471
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,119
Speaker 4: was a pictuer, Like getting a hit hit off me

472
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 4: when I was a picture You gotta turn the page.

473
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 4: You can't get it back, Like as much as you

474
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 4: want to grab that pitch back or grab that loss back,

475
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 4: and what could I have done? What you harping on it?

476
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 4: You got twenty four hours to harp on it. And

477
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,200
Speaker 4: then after that you really got to turn the page

478
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,119
Speaker 4: because the next opponent's not gonna feel hard that you

479
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 4: took an l. And I think a lot of guys

480
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 4: in this locker room do a good job of just

481
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,120
Speaker 4: focusing up, making sure like, hey, we're on our p's

482
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 4: and q's, we're going to practice harder this week. And

483
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 4: you know it's not an excuse because you should always

484
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 4: practice hard. But I think there's a little bit more

485
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,920
Speaker 4: since urgency. Sure, you take a loss, and you know

486
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 4: that's the way it's supposed to be.

487
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,160
Speaker 2: What do you like about Calvin Sheppard. He's certainly dynamic

488
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 2: when we talk to him. You look at the defensive numbers,

489
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,199
Speaker 2: everything's a little bit better this year with him. What

490
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 2: do you like about him running that defense?

491
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 4: He's you know, he's a little bit closer to a

492
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 4: lot of the player's age, especially like an older guy

493
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 4: like me, So you know, he's fresh out of it.

494
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 4: So he gets like what the new NFL is today. Yeah,

495
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 4: I think that is the biggest thing. The NFL is

496
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 4: all about change, and it's changed, is consistently happening. But

497
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 4: he's also super smart, like Shep. You know, he played

498
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 4: the mic growing up and played in college, played in

499
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,880
Speaker 4: the league. But so he understands like the job that's

500
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 4: put on linebacker's plate and then talking to the secondary,

501
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 4: talking to the guys. He doesn't make you have to

502
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 4: exactly speak his language. He wants us to have our

503
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 4: own universal language. So if you understand it a certain way,

504
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 4: you go you can go talk to him about it.

505
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 4: I understand it that this way, and it makes it a

506
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,239
Speaker 4: lot easier for you as a player. Like yo, this

507
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 4: is what I'm saying. He gets what you're saying he

508
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 4: doesn't get stuck up on what the dialect is. He

509
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 4: understands what you're trying to talk about. I think that's

510
00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 4: big for a player, having that in a coach, just

511
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 4: because it's always you come from different systems, different words

512
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 4: are going to be said. But if you know what

513
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 4: you're doing and something you know, some people aren't going

514
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 4: to aren't as talkative as other people. So as long

515
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 4: as you know what you're doing, maybe you pick up

516
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 4: handsignal better. Maybe you communicate this way. And as long

517
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 4: as your brother besides you can understand that communication. I

518
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 4: think he's fine with it. And I think you can

519
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 4: get hung up on that a lot as a coach,

520
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 4: like I want to done this way. Yeah, you didn't

521
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 4: really get hung up on that.

522
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Speaker 2: Just a few more for you. I know you got

523
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: your defensive meetings coming up here. You're healthy, that's been

524
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 2: a huge revelation for you this year. Had to deal

525
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: with the quad injury last year, mistraining, cap all that stuff.

526
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: You're probably just getting going at this time of year.

527
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 2: How nice has it been to be healthy, have been

528
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: able to ramp up and how do you think you've

529
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: played this year? Except from the outside looking at and

530
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: you've had a huge impact in the center of that defense.

531
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's been a good year. You know,

532
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 4: it's got to keep going. Obviously, you would like to

533
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 4: get to the quarterback a little bit more if you're

534
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 4: me in my position. But I think it's been good

535
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 4: and I think I played some good ball. It's here

536
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 4: at ten. I'm a little bit older, but I feel

537
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 4: good out there, and it's been fun just watching the

538
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 4: guys on around running things a little bit different than

539
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 4: what I've always ran like in my career. So I

540
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 4: had to, like the beginning to get over that mental

541
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 4: aspect of there's not as many players out there for

542
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 4: you necessarily. Yeah, it's a little bit of a different scheme.

543
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 4: Sure you're helping the scheme as a whole, and you know,

544
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 4: so for me, it's just getting out of that selfish

545
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 4: mindset of you're gonna make this many plays which might

546
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 4: be losing, Like we're winning right to me, you know,

547
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 4: that's that's what it matters.

548
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 2: You know, you have to take consolation the fact that

549
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: when Jack gets a tackle, you know, it's because you

550
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: open that double team in that hole for Jack to

551
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: make that tackle when the edge gets there. It was

552
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: because the double team, and you don't felt the stack box,

553
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: just like ty Leek doesn't either. But like you said,

554
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: that's part of this defense and it all fits one

555
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: in one. So as a veteran player, I'm sure you

556
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 2: appreciate that I had Taylor Decker. You also appreciate the

557
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: tenth year, don't you. Yeah, yeah, that retirement kicks in

558
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: at ten. But how much do you do you love

559
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: the fact that you've been able to stick around for

560
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: ten years, or you appreciate the fact that you're still

561
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: doing it in year ten.

562
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Speaker 4: It's amazing, you know. I think it's a cliche saying,

563
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 4: but I've been able to like really change like my

564
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 4: life and my family's life, you know, really make that

565
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 4: last name and legacy that my dad left around, you know, proud,

566
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: and it means a lot to me, and still to

567
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 4: be playing goodball. Like I'm not just out there holding

568
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: on in your ten but I think for me it's

569
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: just been super important that you've put your best foot

570
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 4: fell forward every year. And for somebody who never like

571
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 4: saw this as like a dream, who saw like making

572
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 4: it to an NFL, I was just gonna go to

573
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 4: grad school and go be a teacher, like my dad

574
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 4: and brother were like, I just that was it. I

575
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 4: just I really enjoyed football as it means to like

576
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 4: make it to college. I knew I wasn't never to

577
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 4: be able to go to college. I wanted to unless

578
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 4: I got a scholarship. It's made very clear to me

579
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 4: at an early age. My pops sat down told me

580
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 4: that it was just something that we worked towards, you know,

581
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: and then offers started riding in, like sophomore year. You

582
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 4: never think like, hey, it can really go this far.

583
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: I think the only like glimpse of it I ever

584
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 4: had of it was when it really started, Like I

585
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 4: got a combine in by after that the day after

586
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 4: National championship.

587
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: And you had never thought about the NFL before that, really, no,

588
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: really never know because you were a pretty dominant college player.

589
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: Like it was never like I was like on like

590
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 4: these watch lists or this that, and you know what

591
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: I mean. And the senior year I was, I was

592
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 4: out for six games with the suspension. So it was like,

593
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 4: all right, I'm just going to go to grad school.

594
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 4: Keep it pushing, like get my master's degree. Make sure

595
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 4: I've already graduated, so I'm straight, like I'm not. I

596
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 4: football really owes me nothing, Like I got the education,

597
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 4: I'm debt free, like good, like you know what I'm saying,

598
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 4: I'm good. And then I get this Combine invite and

599
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, well, okay, like my sign of

600
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 4: age and like everybody does. And he's telling me this,

601
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: that and the third and I'm like, yeah, whatever, dude,

602
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 4: like this guy to know what he's talking about. Whatever.

603
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 4: And then I get the Combine invite. And then a

604
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: couple of days later, I get invite to like the

605
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 4: rec singer bol All right, well, maybe go out there

606
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 4: work my tail off. Maybe I got a good chance

607
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 4: to like going somewhere UDF and you know what I'm saying, UDFA,

608
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: And I'm like, all right, let's just see how it works.

609
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 4: And then it just kept going. Finally get that call

610
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 4: from the.

611
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: Houston parlor, that to Cincinnati and parlay that to Detroit

612
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 2: and here you are in ten years later. That's crazy, man.

613
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: Well you're still playing good football at ten years. Hopefully

614
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: you guys get back on the winning track this week.

615
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: Appreciate you taking the time, and I love the story

616
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: behind you. Good luck on Sunday, Welcome back to the

617
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Speaker 2: Twin the Huddle Podcast Presentify Microsoft. I'm very happy to

618
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: welcome in. John Kim does a great job covering everything

619
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Speaker 2: Washington Commanders for ESPN. You can also catch him on

620
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: the John Crime Report. Great podcast there, John, thanks for

621
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Speaker 2: joining me. I appreciate it.

622
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Speaker 1: My pleasure. Quite a different game than we met when

623
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: we met the last time.

624
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had you on last year. We were getting

625
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: ready for the division playoffs and obviously the excitement that

626
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: surrounds that. Now you've got two teams coming off Week

627
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: nine losses, tough losses for both teams, probably a little

628
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: bit tougher for the Washington Commanders considering what they lost.

629
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about it right off the top, John, you know,

630
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 2: you lose Jaydon Daniels to the dislocated left elbow, no

631
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: timeframe for his return yet, obviously won't play Sunday. What's

632
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: the impact in the immediate Sunday with not having a

633
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: guy as dynamic as Jayden in the lineup.

634
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's an impact because of what you just said,

635
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: but the offense hasn't looked good to him for a while,

636
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: and part of it it goes back to they don't

637
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: have any receivers to throw to, so like I'm watching

638
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: Detroit against Minnesota last week and sometimes JJ's thrown up

639
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: to Addison justin Jefferson, They're making plays in tight coverage.

640
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: They don't have guys who can do that for this team.

641
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: So even if Jade Daniels had was able to play

642
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: this week, it's still a very tough road because they

643
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: just don't have people who can scare defense like Deebo.

644
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: Samuel can still help a team, and he can still help.

645
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: He still helps them, but he needs guys on the

646
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: outside who can threaten deep and they don't have it.

647
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: And so without that, I don't care right now for them.

648
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: If Jade Daniels or Marcus Mariota is a quarterback, it's

649
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 1: tough and their defense is just playing really bad. So

650
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: like that, it adds up to a team just you know,

651
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: in a very bad spiral.

652
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,239
Speaker 2: So Marcus Marioto steps in, obviously a veteran guy, has

653
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: been around this league for a long time. Does the

654
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: offense change at all? John with with with Marcus inners

655
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: the same version.

656
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: It's the same version, but where there are a couple

657
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: of the subtle differences. Timed that he's a little bit

658
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: more comfortable with running playing at a faster pace in

659
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: other words, like with the the up tempo no huddle stuff.

660
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: The hard part there is that you have a defense

661
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: that just can't get out the field, So how often

662
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: do you want to do that? But he's more comfortable

663
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: than Daniels is in that role. They both go a

664
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: lot of no huddle. It's just that Mariota is more

665
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: comfortable going faster in that. And I think they're also

666
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: going to use more design runs for Marcus than they

667
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: would for Jayden. Jane gets a lot of stuff off scrambles,

668
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: whereas Mariota they will use more the incorporate more of

669
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 1: the zone read keepers or each just quarterback keepers in

670
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: general more so than they would do for Jayden. So

671
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: and he's comfortable when like they run the run pat

672
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: they're RPOs, but teams have been taken a lot of

673
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: that away with their coverage alignment. So but that is

674
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: an area where he does well. But they both do

675
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: that pretty well. So but really it's a big difference

676
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: is tempo and then quarterback keepers.

677
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: You talked about the wide receivers off the top. Maybe

678
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: one of the injuries that that maybe fell through the

679
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: cracks a little bit last weekend was that to Luke McCaffrey,

680
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: you have been playing pretty well. I had a couple

681
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: of touchdowns in recent games. How big of a loss

682
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 2: was that for them? Because you talked about they were

683
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: already short receivers that now they lose another one. Is

684
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: that a bigger loss? Then people may think.

685
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a bigger loss overall, not necessarily just

686
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: the receiver room, because he wasn't he wasn't highly productive there.

687
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: He would have a couple of touchdowns, but he wouldn't

688
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: have a lot of catcher wasn't a lot of consistent productivity.

689
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: But what he as a receiver, he was a good

690
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: blocker and he could you know, he was a guy

691
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: who was in their top five this start of the season,

692
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: unlike some of these other guys they have out there

693
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: now they're on the prak squad on the street. So

694
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: you lose that, but it's really overall what you lose

695
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: because he played. He's a good kick returner and he

696
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: was good on special teams in general. So I think

697
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: you lose a productive player for you, somebody that they

698
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: really liked, and he gave them a spark at times

699
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: in the return game more so than he did at receiver,

700
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: So it's really a bigger loss over than it is

701
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: just to receiver.

702
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: Also lost Marshaun Lattimore arguably, you know, one of their

703
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: top cornerbacks to an ACL injury. He's done for the year.

704
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: John.

705
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: When I look at that at the defensive stats, you know,

706
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: preparing for this game, I was shocked. They don't rank

707
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: higher than twentieth in really any defensive category. Now you

708
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: lose one of your best guys in the secretary. What's

709
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: been the biggest issue And it's really been a year

710
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: long issue with this commander's defense. We just haven't seen

711
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: them perform at the level that that you know, we

712
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: were used to at least last year.

713
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and last year they were okay. One thing they

714
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: didn't do last year was create takeaways, and they're not

715
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: doing a lot of that this year either. So they

716
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: you have a defense that's not getting off the field

717
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: and they can't create takeaways. It's kind of a bad cop.

718
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: It's not a great recipe. John.

719
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: Then you're okay, but they can't do any of that.

720
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: So like the run game, I'll start with the run game,

721
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: because I early in the year they were playing the

722
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: run better. They went outside Javon Kimlall. They got bigger upfront,

723
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: and so they felt like they're more they were better

724
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: equipped to handle the run. They are really undisciplined with

725
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: their run gap fits, and so that adds up to

726
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: too many five six yard first down carries in the

727
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: run game, which then sets up everything else for another

728
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: team that so they're they're undisciplined with the run fits.

729
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Then in coverage, like they try to simplify and quote

730
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: unquote pair down, which of course is means simplify the

731
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: coverage schemes, and some of what they're doing and some

732
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: of the you know, not change on every look like

733
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: sticking this defense. They're still confusing at times about what

734
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: they're in. Like there was a play the other night

735
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: where Mikey Samusto, whom people there know from his Michigan days,

736
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: gets beat inside, but I think he's expecting safety help

737
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: over the top, and it lea leads to a discussion

738
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: on the sidelines about like what happened there, Like that

739
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: stuff happens too often, and like early on it was miscommunication,

740
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: but they get you know, sometimes it's Chicago kill them

741
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: in the screen game, and so that's that's a lot

742
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: of linebackers and d line stuff, so you know they've

743
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: been hurt all over with that, but there's just constant

744
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: coverage issues that leads to big plays. And to be honest,

745
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: I gif Detroit gets in second long, don't worry because

746
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: they give up a lot on second long all season.

747
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: It's just been abysmal. So it's a lot of issues

748
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: and they're just they've gotten worse. It's just hard to imagine,

749
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: but they've gotten worse.

750
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: And this is a Lion's offense. It's obviously looking for

751
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: a bounce back. Didn't play up to their standards last week,

752
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: and they're pretty high standards around here with what they've

753
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: done offensively the last few years, and so certainly the

754
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: Commanders have a challenge ahead of them Sunday with an

755
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: Alliance offense that knows they can play better and really

756
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: are dead set on doing that Sunday in Washington. John

757
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: One thing I did notice is the run game, and

758
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm curious how much did Jayden Daniels contribute to that

759
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: number four rushing offense or averaging more than one hundred

760
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: and thirty yards on the ground. The rookie running back

761
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: Jaquori Crossy merritt I believe I have that right. Third

762
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: in yards among rookies, fourth in touchdowns. Been pretty good there,

763
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: But how does losing Daniels affect them? And what's been

764
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: really a pretty good rushing offense all year long.

765
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: So Tim, I think it's a lot losing Jayden, but

766
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: also the receiver, so you haven't Terry McLaurin is going

767
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: will not play Sunday, So this will be a sixth

768
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: game he's missed this year. He missed three in his

769
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: first six years combined, So like that's a loss. Noah Brown,

770
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: who is you know, it was one of their top

771
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: three receivers last year. Gets hurt a lot, but he's

772
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: a threat on the outside. They haven't had those guys,

773
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: So like what teams are doing now are playing a

774
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: lot more single high coverage and man and loading up

775
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: the box more. Maybe sometimes it's like it wouldn't be

776
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: considered eight in the box according to the metrics, but

777
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: it's a guy rotating up after the snap, so you're

778
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: getting a lot more traffic in there that I think

779
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: is stopping it. And then the score of the game

780
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: is really impacting the run game. Last week they ran

781
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: the ball okay against a good Seattle d defense, but

782
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: too many of their to be honest, some of that

783
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: success came when it's thirty one to seven, right yead

784
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: early on they were getting it. It's just they can't.

785
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: So I'm going back to the receivers. So because of

786
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: all the coverages, it's impacted the run game there, right,

787
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: and they're not getting the explosive run. So Krasky Merritt

788
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: might get four yardsier, three yards heer, four yards heier,

789
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: but they're not getting the ten fifteen twenty yard games

790
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: that they were early in the year when teams weren't

791
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: loading up as they are now because of the loss receives,

792
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: they just don't have guys who can win quick against

793
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: man coverage and that's the problem. So it adds up

794
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: that Krasky Merrick's been fine, but it's more that they

795
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: just they're not getting the explosive runs because they you know,

796
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: and they're not able to stick with it because their fault.

797
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Like the last three games, then the second half, they've

798
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: been down double digits early in the third quarter.

799
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: What do you think is the biggest key? You know,

800
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: Washington's going to come in. They're reeling a little bit,

801
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: and to surprise, all those fans in Washington make this

802
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: a game and and and compete in the second half,

803
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. What has to happen, What's what's

804
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: the what's the biggest key for Washington to be in

805
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: that game and potentially win a Sunday afternoon.

806
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: Is it possible Detroit thinks this is a home game

807
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: and they're gonna stay there, you know, Getting aside, I

808
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: think you have to create some short field for the

809
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: offense some way. And in the playoff game, like Detroit

810
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: was in control and then they caused a couple of

811
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 1: turnovers and they stopped giving the ball to Jamior Gibbs

812
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: in the run. I don't understand that. But like that aside,

813
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: I think they created some turnovers that help them in

814
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: that game, get some short fields, get something going on defense,

815
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: and whether in the returning game, they've got to provide

816
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: some sort of juice to help the offense. And then

817
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: it's like then you have to be on and I

818
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: don't like honestly, it's really hard to see them winning

819
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: this game, But in the NFL that's oftentimes like who

820
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: thought Caroline would go to Green Bay and win that game?

821
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: Right?

822
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: The hard part for me is I just don't like

823
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: how they're playing on defense at all. That has been

824
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: true all seasons, so I don't know why it's going

825
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: to change other than can you create some turnovers and

826
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: get some momentum that way? And like the other thing

827
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: is they haven't They need to get a lead early.

828
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: So like last week they took the ball first trying

829
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: to do that, like because they just haven't had a lead.

830
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: They're always playing from behind, so can you get a lead?

831
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: Not that Detroit can't play from behind, but can these

832
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: guys Maybe they just feel better if you're playing from ahead, right,

833
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: They're not equipped to come from behind, so they have

834
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: to get a lead, So get some momentum early like that,

835
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the way you have to do it.

836
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: It's because it's gonna be tough. Otherwise they just missing

837
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: so many key pieces, and even with those pieces, they

838
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: weren't playing well enough in some areas to like to

839
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: really you know, to think that they could go and

840
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: a win, but without some of these other help.

841
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: This other help a Hutchison looking for a fourth straight

842
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: on the road with a sack and a force film.

843
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm curious, how is the tackle play ben over there? Specifically?

844
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 2: Maybe on the right side of the rookie Connerly How's

845
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: how's he played and obviously got a veteran on the

846
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: left side there. I think just from the statistics he's

847
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: looked pretty well. That's an interesting matchup for me. What's

848
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: the tackle play been?

849
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: Like? Sure? So for sure, Like Larimy Tunzel has played

850
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: pretty well for them and they got him an offseason trade.

851
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: I think he's done a really good job. Josh Connelly,

852
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: the rookie who played it Oregon, was really good there

853
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: and was their first round pick this year, has definitely

854
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: had some growing pains and early in the year like

855
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: he had a murders role. Early on it was like

856
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: Abdul Carter's, Michaeh Parsons, you know, Burns, all those guys

857
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: and then Max Crosby like in the first four weeks,

858
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: like those are the guys that he was facing. He

859
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: hasn't hit Like last week I thought against Seattle did

860
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: a pretty nice job. But guys like Hutchinson are going

861
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: to give him problems. So they're going to have to

862
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Speaker 1: chip and help him because you watch like you know,

863
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: you watched Hutchinson like he is so good at turning

864
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: to the corner such great balance, But I think it's

865
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: gonna be awfully tough for Connolly unless you get to

866
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Speaker 1: give him some help or create some maybe get some

867
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: screens to offset that pressure, et cetera. But I think

868
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a trouble. He's Connery has slowly gotten

869
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: better in some areas, but an experienced, talented pass rusher

870
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Speaker 1: is going to give him problems.

871
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: All right, Last one for me, John, I'm curious, what's

872
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 2: the key matchup? What's the matchup you're looking forward to watching?

873
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: And I know we've talked, and it's obviously a tough

874
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: situation there in Washington with some of the injuries and

875
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: just the way they've played. Obviously so much expectation for

876
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: this season. When you don't live up to that, obviously

877
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: it's tough. But is there a matchup, a particular matchup,

878
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: a position group. Is there something that that you're looking

879
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: at to to maybe you know, see some hope in

880
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Washington for the last nine weeks of the season.

881
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: Well, I'll go back to what the guy just talked about,

882
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: Josh Connelly, because and I think also like Trey Ams

883
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: the corner first round pick, how does he fare? I

884
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: think you know what against Jameson whomever, where you know,

885
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: Saint Brown whomever. Right, how he's now their top corner.

886
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: So how does that group fare? Like, can you Mikey

887
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: Santa still if he goes outside now, which he did

888
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: last year with Latimore out, how does he fare? Is

889
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: that something you'd say, Okay, maybe he should be outside

890
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: or you know whatever. But I'm gonna go back to

891
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: Connolly because he's a first round pick and he faced

892
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: the I've mentioned those talented pass rushes he faced early.

893
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: Does he do a better job? If so? Why? Because

894
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: like that's they need to build that front. Whoever's playing

895
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: quarterback and obviously next year will be Jaden, but they

896
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: need to get that front right and make sure that

897
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Speaker 1: you've got your guy. Does he has he progressed? Whether

898
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: will Hutchinson abuse him or will he do a pretty

899
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: good job against him? So like I'm looking now like

900
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: this team technically they're still alive, but when you realistically

901
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: look at it, it's now like what's gonna what's it

902
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: gonna look like for the future. And that's a guy

903
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: that I would definitely be looking at because if he

904
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Speaker 1: has a good game, that bodes well for them. If

905
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't, then it's like, how long is it gonna

906
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: take for him to get there? And what does it?

907
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: What does that? You know, what does it look like

908
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: when he does?

909
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Speaker 2: Hi, Jenn, I I got one more quick one. I

910
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: want to I want to throw in. Detroit's obviously reeling

911
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: up front offensive line wise, Penne Sewel, Taylor Deck or

912
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: Mahogany's gonna be out. They're beat up up front and

913
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: they might have to work some guys in there. How's

914
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: that defensive front in Washington looked? How much have they

915
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: been able to affect the passer? I think that one

916
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Speaker 2: will be a kind of a key matchup to this

917
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Speaker 2: kind of Detroit Lions offensive line. That that that's that

918
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Speaker 2: might be reeling heading into into Sunday afternoon, right.

919
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's where I go back to what

920
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: I was talking earlier about, you know, can you get momentum.

921
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Speaker 1: It's gonna have to start with those guys, specifically the tackles.

922
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Speaker 1: Doron Paint and Javon kin Law both have pretty good years.

923
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Speaker 1: So with Kim Law big dude, so you they can

924
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Speaker 1: affect him. The hard part, tim is the edge because

925
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Speaker 1: they've lost like Drin Armstrong top Secker he's out Dietrich

926
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Speaker 1: Wise Junior, solid edge for them, setting setting the edge

927
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Speaker 1: he was lost in week two, so they're they're really

928
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Speaker 1: down their top or three of their top four ends

929
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Speaker 1: are done right. So Jacob Martin is journeyman guy, has

930
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: done a nice job, but they don't have a lot there.

931
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Speaker 1: So I do think though that when they're right, they

932
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Speaker 1: can get some pressure. And I think the other thing

933
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Speaker 1: that helps them is, you know, Jared Goff is not

934
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Speaker 1: going to sit there and scramble. He can maneuver, but

935
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Speaker 1: he's not gonna scramble and beat you, So I think

936
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Speaker 1: that helps them. So I think the matchup to watch

937
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Speaker 1: will be inside with kin Law and Pain, and they

938
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Speaker 1: are doing some more creative things the way they align

939
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Speaker 1: that group to compensate for the lack of an edge

940
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Speaker 1: guy like Frankie Louvu, a linebacker who last week they've

941
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Speaker 1: been playing him a lot as an edge, you know

942
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: edge like kind of almost like a you know, a

943
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Speaker 1: three four outside linebacker, but they're considering in a five

944
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Speaker 1: man front, so they're using him there too, like he's

945
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: a guy that might be able to get something for

946
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: them as well. So that's where if I'm Detroit I'm

947
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Speaker 1: going to be concerned with that group because that's where

948
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: you can do some possibly some damage, and at least

949
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Speaker 1: maybe create some situation for yourself that generates moment them.

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Speaker 2: Well, John, the Lions will be in Washington on Sunday,

951
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: and look, like you mentioned, it's any given Sunday in

952
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 2: the NFL. Right, Washington's reeling. They haven't played great, they're

953
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: dealing with some injuries, but as Carolina showed last week,

954
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: anybody can win in this league anytime. If you don't

955
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: go play good football, you can lose in this league.

956
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: So that's Washington team with a lot of pride. They've

957
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Speaker 2: had a lot of winning, especially last year, and so

958
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: I still expect them to give it all. Dan Quinn

959
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: is still really good head coach and a good leader

960
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: over there, so we'll see how it goes. But Detroit

961
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Speaker 2: certainly knows that they have to go on the road

962
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Speaker 2: and play well. It's not a gimme game. So I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time of breaking everything down Washington wise.

964
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Speaker 2: We will see you in Washington Sunday afternoon, and what

965
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Speaker 2: we hope is a good game.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate ted. It'd be nice to be a good game

967
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Speaker 1: because I've seen three clunkers in a row, so it'll

968
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Speaker 1: be NICI that's a little bit more competitive.

969
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: Well, I wish that for you. We'll see you Sunday. John,

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Speaker 2: appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to