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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hartstar,

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Speaker 1: That's Karen Kilgarriff.

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Speaker 2: And this is a solo episode.

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Speaker 1: It's a solo episode just me because we're still on

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Speaker 1: We're going to New York this week for our last

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be crazy and so sad that

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Speaker 1: last episode. I'm gonna cry. Yeah, I have a book

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Speaker 1: real quick, can I've been waiting to I've just been

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Speaker 1: waiting to tell you about this book cause I'm so

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Speaker 1: obsessed with it and I listened to it for the

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Speaker 1: tour and I cried. So it's a memoir called A

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Speaker 1: Mother's Reckoning by.

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Speaker 2: Sue Kleebold Dylan cl Mother.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Wow, it is the most powerful, intense, beautiful memory

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Speaker 1: I've ever listened to. It is so powerful. She talks

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Speaker 1: about grief and shame, loss, and a lot about mental

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Speaker 1: illness and how we treat it here in the US

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Speaker 1: and what can be done to change things. And you

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Speaker 1: know what she knew and what she didn't know and

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Speaker 1: what she wishes She had known. I was just in

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Speaker 1: awe of this book.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So A Mother's Reckoning. I feel like every parent

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Speaker 1: of a teenager needs to read this because it's also

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Speaker 1: about hiding being a teenager and hiding stuff from your parents.

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Speaker 1: And I think knowing those those signs and knowing and

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Speaker 1: to look for because you don't know what you don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And as a parent, that's the wait that I'm

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Speaker 3: sure is on her. It's just horrible, that idea of

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Speaker 3: if you're the mother, you're going to get blamed first anyway.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it was like the nineties, so it's just toxic, toxic,

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Speaker 1: and she talks about all of that. So A Mother's

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Speaker 1: Reckoning by Sue Clebold, I highly recommend it. Okay, should

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Speaker 1: Okay. This is a real one, and it was suggested

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Speaker 1: by a murder Reino who emailed in April of twenty

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Speaker 1: bit of it. It says Hi. When I was about

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Speaker 1: nine years old, I was being nosy digging through random

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Speaker 1: full of old newspaper clippings. I asked Dad about it,

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Speaker 1: It's just crazy disappointing when you haven't heard of a

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Speaker 1: This is a story of highway killer James Wyburn Hall.

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Speaker 1: The main source for the story is a book called

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Speaker 1: The Arkansas Hitchhie Killer by Janey Nesbit Jones, and the

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Speaker 1: the show notes. Okay, So, on January seventeenth, nineteen forty five,

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Speaker 1: the body of a man named CF. Hamilton is found

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Speaker 1: He follows the footprints and after a short walk, finds

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Speaker 1: Like the first person, Little Rock's a tiny town now

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Speaker 1: you imagine the state you're in your driving past, You're

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Speaker 1: That's why I love this that there's the hand gesture

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Well, in early March, a man named J. D.

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Speaker 1: Newcombe Junior is reported missing. He's the state's chief boiler

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Speaker 1: I can tell something's wrong with it.

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Speaker 1: So fucking ominous, right because like we always think of

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Speaker 1: It's the oh my god, surprise, surprise, federal fucking poor

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Speaker 2: You just trademarked your murdered cash.

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Speaker 3: Right, I thought you would have too, because whoever originally

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Speaker 1: So police also searched James's room at a boarding house

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Speaker 3: It's to you know, a lot of back then, especially

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Speaker 1: Did you just get off a box car? Yeah? Come here?

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Speaker 2: What's that blood on your neck? A small fine mist

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Speaker 1: And at this place they find JD. Newcome's missing watch

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you all about it. I killed them all.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, straight up drink style. I killed them all.

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Speaker 3: If you were the copy he was talking to or

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Speaker 1: All? Yeah, Also, he's twenty four years old at this time.

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Speaker 3: That's like a child, a child with probably like kind

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, okay, let me tell you about him.

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Speaker 1: James Wayburn Hall is born in nineteen twenty one in

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Speaker 3: You know, every man in my dad's family's nickname, right,

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Speaker 1: I always forget your dad has red hair, because I've

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Speaker 1: So, his father, Samuel Hall, is a farmer and also

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know.

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Speaker 1: So around the same time, James drops out of school

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Speaker 3: Just the idea of like it's one thing to get

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Speaker 3: totally is like you know, we love to talk about trauma,

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Speaker 1: James meets his first wife in nineteen thirty eight, a

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Speaker 1: I think within six weeks getting discharged for that means.

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Speaker 3: They were like, we can't Yeah, we missed this guy

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Speaker 2: Oh that friend, I know, so sad.

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Speaker 1: I know when your friend is dating someone or married

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Speaker 3: And you're like, she's about to get beaten up, and

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Speaker 2: What do I do?

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Speaker 1: What would you do?

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Speaker 3: Go get a guy that's six foot six? I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's the problem with like someone big in abuse. Those

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't like they don't listen to reason or

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Speaker 1: killed them all. Yeah, find confesses to those murders. He

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Speaker 1: tells police that the first murder was only supposed to

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Speaker 1: be a robbery. He says that he had intended on

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Speaker 1: stealing the whiskey from Hamilton, and that James ended up

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Speaker 1: shooting him with that forty five caliber pistol and then

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Speaker 1: using Hamilton's gun, which he stole from the car to

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Speaker 1: commit the rest of the murders. When the police asked

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Speaker 1: James where Faye's body is, James says he took her

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Speaker 1: to remote road along a riverbank and beat her to death.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know.

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Speaker 1: James brings the police and several press photographers to the site,

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Speaker 1: but they can't find anything. Then a woodcutter named Cecil Foster,

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Speaker 1: who lives nearby, walks over. Cecil tells the police that

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Speaker 1: he found part of a skull a few weeks back

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Speaker 1: and that he thought it washed down the river and

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Speaker 1: he took it home. He says he also saw what

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Speaker 1: he thought was part of a jawbone on the river bank.

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Speaker 1: Cecil looks in the spot and it's like, see it's

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Speaker 1: still there. James himself, who's there to show them where

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Speaker 1: her remains are, says, quote, that's Fay al right, and

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Speaker 1: points out the characteristic front tooth in the job oone

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Speaker 1: so sinister.

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Speaker 2: It's so gross.

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Speaker 3: And also this idea that they and maybe It wasn't

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Speaker 3: him particularly, but that idea of like I'm going to

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Speaker 3: get the press to come to right, It just is

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Speaker 3: all those ways that I think back then nobody knew.

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Speaker 2: You're feeding right into the psychopath plan and the ego.

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Speaker 1: Let's let him control this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh so awful.

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Speaker 1: James ultimately confesses to killing Fay and the four other men,

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Speaker 1: and to multiple other murders. When he was seventeen. In

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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight, he killed a woman in Salinas, Kansas.

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Speaker 1: He kills a man in San Marcos, Texas in nineteen

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Speaker 1: forty four, and then he admits to killing ten migrant

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Speaker 1: workers from nineteen thirty eight to nineteen forty four in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: and then he'd offer up some clues and declined to

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Speaker 1: talk about them. He also says he killed a Bible

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Speaker 1: salesman in Texas because of his itinerant lifestyle. It if

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Speaker 1: several more murders. There are at least three similar murders

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Speaker 1: in cities where he was likely to have been, but

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Speaker 1: there isn't enough evidence to charge him.

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Speaker 3: Still, this is so oddest tool yes, like but real

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Speaker 3: but real? But then also can they prove it's real?

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Speaker 1: It sounds like he's not making this shit up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Like it all fits the m o oddest tools. Shit

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Speaker 1: was all like right all.

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Speaker 2: Anywhere they brought him.

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Speaker 3: He was like, yes, he right, but god, it's just

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Speaker 3: so I know, it's so evil, it's so scary.

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Speaker 2: And he's twenty four, yeah, like with red hair, and

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Speaker 2: it is like, hey, can you give me right?

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Speaker 1: I'm a friendly guy. Can you give me a ride?

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Speaker 2: I have a limb fun times. Oh, Bible salesman, I

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Speaker 2: love bibles.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and twenty four, which imagines like what would if

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Speaker 1: he hadn't been caught right then that woman hadn't called

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Speaker 1: and said this gun that my friend had, I think

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Speaker 1: it's the murder weapon. If she hadn't called in, what

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Speaker 1: would he have like ramped up to when he was

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Speaker 1: like thirty and thirty five?

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean maybe he would have gotten the

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Speaker 3: car and then been like, it'll be faster if I'm

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Speaker 3: picking people right like that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, who knows?

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Speaker 1: True crime. James is arigned in the spring of nineteen

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Speaker 1: forty five. He's charged with first degree murder only for

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Speaker 1: the killing of Fay, his wife, because this is thought

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Speaker 1: to be the strongest case against him and it's a

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Speaker 1: possibility that he'll get the death penalty in this case,

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Speaker 1: so they want to try this one first. James's trial

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Speaker 1: begins on the same day Germany surrenders and World War

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Speaker 1: two ends in Europe, and because of that the case

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Speaker 1: didn't get as much national attention. But still there are

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Speaker 1: murderinos back then. The courthouse is packed to the gills

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Speaker 1: for the two day trial. Two days. That's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: On the first day of the trial, James takes back

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Speaker 1: his confessions and instead pleads not guilty by reason of insanity.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. James's first wife, Walsey, testifies at the

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Speaker 1: trial and brings their two year old son. James's entire

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Speaker 1: relationship with Fay, her murder, and at least four others,

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Speaker 1: but likely many moore have all taken place within less

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Speaker 1: than two years. Two years, James has found guilty and

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Speaker 1: sentenced to death. He was executed a few days before

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Speaker 1: his twenty fifth birthday in the electric chair on January fourth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty six. Fay's father attends the execution and says, quote,

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Speaker 1: may God have mercy on your soul. I can't yeah

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Speaker 1: end quote. And that is the story of the hitchhike

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Speaker 1: killer James Weyburn Hall.

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Speaker 2: Literally have never heard anything about this.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you to Abby for sending this in. She

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Speaker 1: says that he was her grandmother's older brother. Mmm. I know.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Oh yeah, because there's ten kids or by the

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Speaker 3: time nine kids yep with him.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's a big one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Should we do a quick horay tour?

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Speaker 2: Hoay tour?

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Speaker 1: Hoay?

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you have one in mind?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Go, well, I mean the experience of this tour has

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Speaker 3: been so incredible and the murdering notes have just shown

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Speaker 3: up in every way possible everyone we've asked them to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So my hoay, I think would just be all of

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Speaker 3: our listeners, all the people that have like actually gone

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Speaker 3: to the shows, told their stories. We've had some incredible hometowns,

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Speaker 3: just incredible like participation. Yeah, it's been so cool to

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Speaker 3: be able to be out there with people and have that.

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Speaker 1: When you kicked that stuffed animal and back into the audience.

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Speaker 3: Though, you guys, we had a gift of a very large,

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Speaker 3: very scary sized stuffed animal thrown at us onto the

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Speaker 3: stage from the dark, and it scared everybody but especially

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Speaker 3: me and Georgia. So I then kicked it back out

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Speaker 3: into the audience, and the audience went and sang, that

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Speaker 3: was a pretty good one.

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Speaker 1: That was good.

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Speaker 3: What about I think there's also the very first night

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Speaker 3: of Denver Night one night show one. I don't think

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Speaker 3: I expected the volume and the reception. Getting a reception

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Speaker 3: like that was such a lovely gift from that Denver.

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Speaker 1: Audience, totally nothing like I had completely forgot like what

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Speaker 1: that felt like, what it sounded like, how incredible and

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Speaker 1: overwhelming it was. And I'm going to miss that after.

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Speaker 3: New York because it's very magical to be able to

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Speaker 3: get something like that from a room full of people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's life affirming. You forget that, like people are

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Speaker 1: listening when you're recording in a studio, and then to

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Speaker 1: walk out there and be like, there you are.

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Speaker 3: These are all the people that are not emailing in

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Speaker 3: complaints in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 2: They like it.

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Speaker 1: They like it. They want you to have to have animals.

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Speaker 2: And we say no, no, thank you, no, thank you, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for everyone who's calm, Thank you for all

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Speaker 1: the incredible gifts you've given us. I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to go through them in a video for the fan

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Speaker 1: called soon.

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Speaker 2: Oh Yeah, we're going to go through.

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Speaker 3: We're going to unbox our boxes of gifts that we

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Speaker 3: basically get to go through like raccoons real fast and

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Speaker 3: then have to box.

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Speaker 2: Up and ship home.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be really good. That was a

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Speaker 2: great story. This is a great solo.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your patients as we are on wrapping

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Speaker 3: this tour up, which has been an incredible amount of

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Speaker 3: work for our team on the podcast team. So thank

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Speaker 3: you to the MFM production team led by c Molly Smith,

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Speaker 3: the great producer, Yeah, and everybody.

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Speaker 1: Else for us to leave and not worry about what's

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Speaker 1: going up.

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Speaker 3: She was on it, and our supervising producer Jess Kek

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Speaker 3: who worked with Molly, and they basically made the grids

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Speaker 3: that made it all possible. Right, Thanks to everybody for

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Speaker 3: making all of these things that we're able to do simultaneously.

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Speaker 2: It's only because we have this incredible staff.

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Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah, thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys. Well, stay sexy.

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Speaker 1: And don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie?

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 1: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Scolacci.

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Speaker 2: Our researchers are Mary mclaschan and Ali Elkin.

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Speaker 1: Email your hometowns to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: And follow the show on Instagram at My Favorite Murder.

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