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Speaker 1: and welcome back with with Dr Leo Gallen, and we'll

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Speaker 1: get your calls as well. Leo, let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit more than about this story that Christopher through you

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Speaker 1: ever just you know, ever tell you and describe what

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Speaker 1: heaven would look like and what it looks like. Um. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And and that was in many ways the most profound

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Speaker 1: discussion that we had, and it was part of the

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Speaker 1: last conversation before that he had He had kind of

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Speaker 1: talked to me about the illusory nature of time and

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Speaker 1: space and um. And it was what he had to

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Speaker 1: say was pretty revealing but this last conversation was mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: I asked him, and I don't know why I hadn't

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Speaker 1: asked him earlier. I said, what's it like in heaven, Chris?

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Speaker 1: And his voice was joyful when he answered me. He said,

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Speaker 1: It's what I always wanted. Everyone is here, everyone even you. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's send a chill down my spine. But then I said,

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Speaker 1: well everyone like, what about the evil ones? Were? What

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Speaker 1: about Adolph Hitler? And he said to me, you have

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Speaker 1: to understand the nature of evil. Evil starts with consciousness.

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Speaker 1: And he went into base sically a description of why

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Speaker 1: why the universe exists, and the relationship between heaven and Earth,

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Speaker 1: which was incredibly profound and and something that I had

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Speaker 1: never thought about. He basically said that the reason there

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Speaker 1: is a universe, first of all, that God is God

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Speaker 1: is love, and that the force that creates the universe

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Speaker 1: is love, not that God loves, not as if God

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Speaker 1: is a separate being that loves, but the love itself

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Speaker 1: is God, and that this is the energy that creates

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Speaker 1: the universe, and that the reason there is matter is

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Speaker 1: because love requires a separation, that his love occurs between

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Speaker 1: separate beings, so there has to be an otherness, and

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Speaker 1: matter is ideally suited to allowing the separation to occur,

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Speaker 1: to creating the otherness. Then, but that, and that is

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Speaker 1: the reason for earth basically. But the power of love

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Speaker 1: is so strong that matter cannot contain it. And that

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Speaker 1: is what heaven is. That is where there is this unfettered,

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Speaker 1: totally magnificent love. Now, the reason we are here is

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Speaker 1: to manifest that. But there are people who subvert the

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Speaker 1: purpose of their Oh look what's happening on this planet.

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Speaker 1: That's right, they turn they and and Christopher said, to

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Speaker 1: hate others because of their otherness is a crime against God. Well,

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Speaker 1: why does God Leo allow these things to happen? Well,

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Speaker 1: this tragedy in Florida, why does that happen? What what

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Speaker 1: Christopher said about that is that love, by its very

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Speaker 1: nature must be given freely. And so there we have

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Speaker 1: the power to choose between love and hate. It has

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Speaker 1: to be that way. And there are those who choose

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Speaker 1: But they suffer eternal torment, he said, because believe it

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Speaker 1: or not even the evil ones have perfect selves. All

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Speaker 1: and our path in life is to unite with our

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Speaker 1: even have to find it. We can't perfect to ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We are already perfect. To let the perfect self find

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Speaker 1: imperfect is a term you know that's been used. Do

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Speaker 1: you think he's reincarnated by this point, that his soul

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Speaker 1: may be the reincarnation is almost irrelevant because of of

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Speaker 1: think it's a really important question. Um. So the hell

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Speaker 1: I'm very perfectionistic and I'm always trying to fix things

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Speaker 1: And so I kind of treated to my study and

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of um just thinking about what he said.

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Speaker 1: And then he said to me, Um, you know Leo, Um,

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Speaker 1: way I was in the world, how in all the quirky,

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Speaker 1: crazy things that I would do. And that's right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he called me Leo, uh the um. The especially in

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Speaker 1: these interactions, because I mean, look we were eating he

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Speaker 1: was a student. And he said in uh, and we

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Speaker 1: and our family is full of Christopher's stories about all

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Speaker 1: the quirky, funny things that he would do. He said, well,

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Speaker 1: The way you were, how you were always is trying

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Speaker 1: to get everything just right. And he said, just lighten up,

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Speaker 1: you're already here. And that's where the title of the

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Speaker 1: book came from. Well, that is really a mind boggling

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Speaker 1: kind of thought, that heaven is not something that occurs

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Speaker 1: it encompasses all of time, all of space, and Heaven

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Speaker 1: and Earth exists as unified opposites within it um. That

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Speaker 1: actually is a concept that is totally in keeping with

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Speaker 1: where quantum physics and cosmology are taking our understanding of

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Speaker 1: the universe um. But it was expressed so simply and

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Speaker 1: clearly by Christopher. Were you after this episode was done?

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Speaker 1: You wrote the book published by hay House, By the way,

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Speaker 1: and we lost Louise Hey last year, which was sad.

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Speaker 1: Were you convinced, beyond the shadow of a doubt that

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Speaker 1: this was happening to you as opposed to you creating

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Speaker 1: it in your mind that something was happening to you? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was not like anything. First of all, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: come up with these ideas. They're they're not my ideas.

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Speaker 1: interpret them and um, but these were not ideas that

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Speaker 1: me speaking. This was another being and one that I

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Speaker 1: kind of recognized as the voice, as a voice of authority.

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Speaker 1: Was he happy with the book? Oh? I think he's

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Speaker 1: thrilled because the one thing Christopher loved was to interact

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Speaker 1: He just loves being able to impact on them and

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Speaker 1: and to confound them, you know, to say, hey, you

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Speaker 1: know you didn't think about it this way, but try

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Speaker 1: thinking about it this way. The and what I what

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Speaker 1: I realized there are a few things that I realized

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Speaker 1: One is that what I learned from Christopher, as as

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Speaker 1: much as it was Christopher's expression to me wasn't These

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Speaker 1: are concepts that are actually ancient. They are concepts that

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Speaker 1: are held sacred in many traditions. The concept, the idea,

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Speaker 1: the gift of the is it. I characterized what I

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Speaker 1: learned from him as three gifts. One is the gift

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Speaker 1: of the opposite, the other is the gift of presence,

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Speaker 1: and the third is the gift of timelessness. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: the gift of the opposite, which is a very profound concept.

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Speaker 1: yin and yang. Everything contains its opposite at all times,

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Speaker 1: um and and that actually contains a great deal of hope.

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Speaker 1: every day. Strength emerges from weakness, but strength and also

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Speaker 1: page in the book. The most profound way for me

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Speaker 1: we live certainly in my life, I'm always multitasking, But

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Speaker 1: You have to get out of that. Multitasking is the

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