1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, the United States has 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: achieved more for human freedom and prosperity than any other 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: nation on earth. Undoubtedly, we owe our success to those 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: who fought, and in many cases, died, to protect our ideals. 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: In Greg Jarrett's amazing new book, The Constitution of the 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: United States and Other Patriotic Documents, he has created a 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: beautiful keepsake volume for every American patriot. This collection was 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: printed the United States and includes the Constitution, the Declaration 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: of Independence, the Bill of Rights, select Federalist papers, and 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: the Articles of Confederation. Also included are the writings of 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: generations of Americans who have built upon the founder's legacy, 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: including Frederick Douglas's July fourth speech on the hypocrisy of 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: American slavery, Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, Susan B. Anthony's Proclamation on 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: women's right to vote, Albert Einstein's warning to President Franklin D. 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: Rosevelt about the atomic bomb, and Ronald Reagan's call to 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: tear down the Berlin Wall. Here to discuss his new book, 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm really pleased to welcome back my guest, Greg jar 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: He is a former trial attorney and the New York 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: Times bestselling author of The Russia Hoax and witch Hunt. 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: He is a legal and political analyst for Fox News, 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: where he was an anchor for fifteen years. Greg, welcome 22 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining me again on News World. 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 2: Well, it's always a pleasure, mister speaker, and I appreciate 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: your kind words. This new book, The Constitution of the 25 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 2: United States and Other Patriotic Documents is something I'm really 26 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: proud of. You know. I spent the better part of 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: two years coming through archives and libraries, and I put 28 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: together what I think is a tribute to the many 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: patriots who made this country so great. We are this 30 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: luminous beacon of hope for liberty, prosperity, and justice throughout 31 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: the world, the envy of so many others. And in 32 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: this book you can find collected, carefully selected, and then 33 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: explained by me, some of the most important documents, the 34 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: spoken words, the written words that changed history. These are 35 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 2: the galvanizing ideas and the noble and inspiring words by 36 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: great American patriots. There are virtues, our aspirations, our achievements 37 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: are all contained in this one book. And you know, 38 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it makes a great holiday gift 39 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: under the Christmas tree or for Hanukah or whatever. I 40 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: would actually encourage people to not buy one by two 41 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: and give one of them to your child's teacher, because 42 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: they don't teach this anymore in American public schools. Our 43 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: school system has absolutely failed young people, and I think 44 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: we need a reawakening to rekindle our faith in the 45 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: greatness the exceptionalism of America. 46 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: Firstal, I think you're right, and this is the kind 47 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: of book that could be given out as a text 48 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: in every civics class in high school and in college, 49 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: and I think could have a significant impact in reminding 50 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: people we're not an accident. We are a system that 51 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: grew in amazing ways. I can't jump straight into this 52 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: book without reminding folks that you joined us on Newts 53 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: World last May and we discussed The Trial of the Century. 54 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: Was a brilliant podcast where you talked about Clarence Darrow 55 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: and the famous Scopes Monkey Toronto. I have to say, 56 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: I really am very proud of that podcast. But what 57 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: made you decide to shift from Clarence Darrow to focusing 58 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: on the founding documents as your next book. Your range 59 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: is interesting to me. 60 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: Well, thanks very much. You know, as a lawyer. I 61 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: was inspired to become a trial attorney because of Clarence Darrow. 62 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: I idolized him. Yes, he was a liberal and agnostic. 63 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: I am decidedly neither, but that didn't matter. His ideals 64 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: is what moved me, and so I became a lawyer. 65 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: But at the same time I was a political science major. 66 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: You of course, a distinguished history and politics professor. And 67 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: you know, I've always turned to the Federalist papers. The 68 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 2: brilliant work of Alexander Hamilton and John Jay and James 69 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: Madison is really this sort of bible of what our 70 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: constitution means. And I wanted to expand on that. People 71 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: don't read the Federalist papers anymore, and look, I get it. 72 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: It was written more than two hundred years ago, and 73 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: it can be difficult to get through, which is why, 74 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: out of the what seventy eight some odd essays in 75 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: the Federalist paper, I selected three of the most importance 76 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: that define each branch of our government, explaining how it 77 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: should work, why it should work, and what was the 78 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: intent behind it. And then it just sort of morphed 79 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 2: into so many other great patriotic addresses and speeches in pamphlets. 80 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 2: I mean Thomas Pain's common sense is extraordinary. It gave 81 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: birth to America. You know, people were reticent about declaring 82 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: independence from Great Britain. Thomas Pain galvanized Americans. Resolution is 83 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: our inherent character. Courage hath never failed us. He wrote, 84 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 2: everybody in America was reading Thomas Pain. It was printed 85 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: in newspapers, and that changed America and so many other 86 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: great Americans. The warnings by George Washington and John Adams. 87 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: Of course you mentioned Frederick Douglas, a real highlight in 88 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: this book. Two of his most powerful history changing speeches, 89 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: and of course Abraham Lincoln and then the Suffragettes Elizabeth 90 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 2: Katie Stanton and Victoria Woodhall and Susan B. Anthony their 91 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: call for equal rights for women. Teddy Roosevelt goes after 92 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: corporate corruption. Franklin Roosevelt calmed America in a time of 93 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: desperation with his fireside chats Ronald Reagan. Four of his 94 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: greatest speeches are in this book, the most notable of 95 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: which is, of course, when he stood at the Brandenburg 96 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: Gate in Berlin and he challenged Mikal Garbachoff to tear 97 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: down this wall. And of course two years later the 98 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: wall came crumbling down in it, the Soviet Communist Empire 99 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: and the end of the Cold War. Talk about a 100 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: great American patriot, mister speaker, who changed not just American history, 101 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: world history. 102 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier the importance of courage. I've talked to 103 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: a number of people, including George Schultz, who was the 104 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: Secretory of State and the writer of that speech with Reagan. 105 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Every senior advisor a posed saying it, every single one 106 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: of them up to the point where they had breakfast 107 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: that morning. They all opposed it, And on the way 108 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: to give the speech, his chief of staff tried to 109 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: talk him out of it. He had actually said something 110 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: similar in nineteen sixty seven when he was governor. He 111 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: went to Berlin and he said, the wall shure is ugly. 112 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: They ought to tear it down. So it'd been in 113 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: the back of his head for twenty years, and he 114 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: just cheerfully ignored all of them. And Shultz told me 115 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: the story that Reagan sent the original draft over and 116 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: the editor at the State Department took out tear down 117 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: this wall. Reagan hand wrote it back in sent it 118 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: back a second time. He took it out, and Reagan 119 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: then called Shawson said Georgie, you need to explain to 120 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: your editor that I am the president. They are not. 121 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: It stays in. But again, something which all of his 122 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: advisers thought would be absurd. The CIA said the Sovietian 123 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: to be around for at least thirty or forty more years. 124 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: They said it would just irritate Gorbachev achieved nothing, became 125 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: in many ways an iconic example of the power of 126 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: courage and clarity and the power of words to change history. 127 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: I think you're including it here is exactly right as 128 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: an example of how American courage can in fact help 129 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: shape the world. 130 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it took great courage for Ronald Reagan to 131 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: do that against the demands and wishes of everybody around him. 132 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: You know, But Ronald Reagan, and look, I lived in 133 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: California for thirty years years he was my governor. 134 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: Back then. 135 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 2: I paid careful attention to him. 136 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: You know. 137 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: He was vaulted onto the national stage with his time 138 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: for Choosing speech in nineteen sixty four on Behalf of Goldwater. 139 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: He became the unabashed voice of conservatism, and of course 140 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: it led to his presidency in nineteen eighty and his 141 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: inaugural adrasse he uttered the famous words, you know, we 142 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: should utter them to ourselves every day. Government is not 143 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 2: the solution to our problem. Government is our problem. 144 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 3: And he was so right. 145 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: And you know, he had incredible understanding of the American 146 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: spirit of patriotism, and he was an instinctual politician. He 147 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: knew people, he studied people. He was sort of like 148 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: Clarence Darryl mister speaker. You know, he understood the motives 149 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: that move men and women, and he spoke to them. 150 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: And the thing about Reagan was he was so authentic. Yeah, 151 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: he was an actor, and people dismissed him because of that, 152 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: but no, he was the real deal. He was truly 153 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: authentic and that always came through when he spoke, and 154 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: you'll see it here in the fourth Speeches in my 155 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: new book. 156 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: At the time that the Founding Fathers were talking through 157 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: how to create a republic with a constitution, with the 158 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: rule of law, this was a very very rare thing 159 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: on the planet. Every monarch, every king, every czar, every 160 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: emperor had a vested interest in not having the American 161 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: system work. And the Founding Fathers took very seriously not 162 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: just rebelling against the British, but establishing a system which 163 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: would protect the American people from their own government. And 164 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: that's why in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights 165 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: you have this. And when Lincoln says that the Civil 166 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: War is a test of whether this system, or any 167 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: system so devised, can endure, he's really talking about what 168 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: he sees as the existential moment, one which I think 169 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: we're drifting back towards now, of whether or not you 170 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: can have self government where a free people have enormous 171 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: freedom within the rule of law, but have to recognize 172 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: each other's mutual rights. And I think you capture that 173 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: in this book. 174 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 2: Thank you. You know, I tried to. I included especially 175 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: and purposefully. John Adams Letter is famous flutter thoughts on government, 176 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: and while he was essentially an ambassador overseas, he and they, 177 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: you know, were considering a constitution because the Articles of 178 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: Confederates were dysfunctional, they weren't working, America was spiraling into debt, 179 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: about to collapse, and he set over to America his 180 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: sort of outline of what a government should look like, 181 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: you know, three branches of government, a bicameral legislature and 182 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: so forth. And that became, to some extent for many 183 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: members of the Congress then the template for our government. 184 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: And yes, there had historically been sort of attempts at 185 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: this sort of thing Romans, Greeks, but it really was 186 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 2: a genius set of letters that John Adams composed, and 187 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: of course there were others like Jefferson who helped expand 188 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 2: on that, and it came up with this government of 189 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: the people, by the people, and for the people. It 190 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: was a bold new idea, and it was one of 191 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: the great genius acts of leaders who were resolved that 192 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: people should run their government, and government shouldn't run the 193 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: lives of people. And so I wanted to include that 194 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: in the book. There are several other writings that extrapolate, 195 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 2: and it's an important part of American history. 196 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think that it leads to an understanding that 197 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: this is a system that is imperfect, but as all 198 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: the founding fathers concluded, was probably as close as you 199 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: could get with human beings to perfection. Because in fact, 200 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: as Madison writes at one point, if men were angels, 201 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have a problem. But since they're not angels, 202 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: how do you govern the people who are going to 203 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: govern you? And in a sense the constitution. People forget 204 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: that the Constitution in many ways is designed to protect 205 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: the people from the government. It makes it one of 206 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: the most amazing creative achievements in human history to have 207 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: had this group of people, you know, on the edge 208 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: of the American continent, without any automatic claim to fame, 209 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: achieve something that's so remarkably historic. I think you capture 210 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: the sense of American exceptionalism and how unique the system is. 211 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, the least imperfect government is the best government, as 212 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: our founders wrote, and they were right about that. You know, 213 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: we strive for a more perfect union, as our founding 214 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: documents state, but that's aspirational. Perfection is an impossibility because 215 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: we are imperfect people that are instituting that government. And 216 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: you can certainly go through history, and in my lengthy 217 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: introduction in which I go through, you know, two centuries 218 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: of American history, I talk openly about the terrible mistakes 219 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: were made. The Faustian bargain by our founders to kick 220 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: the can of slavery down the road, the cruelty, the 221 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: deprivation of human bondage, as aptly described by Frederick Douglass, was, 222 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: as I say, this Faustian bargain. The founders were so 223 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: determined to get the constitution approved by the states that 224 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: in about a southern states they capitulated on demands to 225 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: perpetuate slavery. And it was a terrible choice. I understand 226 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: why they did it, but they left it for future 227 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: generations in people like Abraham Lincoln to resolve it. And 228 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: of course with enormous bloodshed six hundred and forty thousand 229 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: people killed as a percentage of the population back then, 230 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: that was enormous, and that doesn't even account for the 231 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: civilian deaths. And then aation was torn apart the steadfast 232 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: determination of Abraham Lincoln and so many others and Ulysses s. 233 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: Grant and General Sherman, and so it was a turning 234 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: point in American history. We could have gone the other 235 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: way and dissolved into chaos, divisiveness, fractionalism, but right prevailed 236 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: in my judgment, and that's in the book. 237 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: You have, on the one hand, Washington's steadfast persistence, where 238 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: he just methodically moves forward despite defeats, despite frustrations. People 239 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: often forget that. You know, he's in the field for 240 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: eight years with one visit to Mount Vernon, and he 241 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: just is determined to last. The British on the other hand, 242 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: with Lincoln, you have this amazingly sensitive intuition about how 243 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: far you can go at any given moment. And you 244 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: see him from relatively early in his career when he 245 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: first is opposed to slavery but understands that you can't 246 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: come across in southern Illinois as an abolitionist although you 247 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: have no political future, And so you see him gradually 248 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: evolving and allowing events to create opportunities, and then consistently 249 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: taking the opportunities in the direction of a stronger union 250 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: than the abolition of slavery. And it strikes me that Lincoln, 251 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: in some ways may well have been our greatest president 252 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: in terms of his ability to guide and lead. I 253 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: think Washington in terms of character as the he is 254 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: the indispensable man. It's his shoulders we all stand on. 255 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: But I think when you watch Lincoln, he once said 256 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: that with popular sentiment, anything as possible. Without popular sentiment, 257 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: nothing as possible, something I think Ronald Reagan instinctively understood. 258 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: And you capture this in the sections about the Civil 259 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: War period and about Lincoln. But it strikes me that 260 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: he's unbelievably central to the survival of America. 261 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And you know, I've always he believed he 262 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: was our greatest president. I agree with you about Washington. 263 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: We do stand on his shoulders the entire country does. 264 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 2: He set the important precedence for how a chief executive 265 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 2: should behave and how the executive branch should operate in 266 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 2: relation to Congress. But Lincoln is this amazing extraordinary human being. 267 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy who was so eloquent 268 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: his masterful oratory and his writings as well. And you 269 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: have to bear in mind this is a guy who 270 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: never went to school. He had less than a year 271 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: of education. I think it was roughly in elementary school. 272 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: He learned it all from reading books. He never went 273 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: to college, he never went. 274 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: To law school. He studied the law. 275 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: He would walk miles to borrow books and read them. 276 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: He didn't have a photographic memory, but he certainly absorbed 277 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: and retained so much information on a wide variety of subjects, 278 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: from history and logic to mathematics and science. He was 279 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: so well read, and this comes across in the many 280 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: speeches that I include from Lincoln in my new book 281 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: The Constitution of the United States and other patriotic documents. 282 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: And his open mind was also something to be admired. 283 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: You know, during his first term as president, African Americans 284 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: were not allowed into the White House. Essentially, he wanted 285 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: to meet with Frederick Douglas. They became confidence. And there's 286 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: a moment in his presidency when Douglas comes to visit. 287 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: The White House. 288 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: I think it was right after the second inauguration, and 289 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: there's a room full of people and everybody becomes very 290 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: quiet when Douglas walks in, and Lincoln cuts the tension 291 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: with a knife and he turns to Frederick Douglas and 292 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 2: he says, ladies and gentlemen, here is the man whose 293 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: judgment I trust more than anyone Else's a remarkable moment 294 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: in history. And of course, when Lincoln was assassinated sometime thereafter, 295 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: Frederick Douglas wrote this beautiful tribute to Abraham Lincoln, saying 296 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: he was the wisest, noblest man he had ever encountered. 297 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: And quite a relationship between those two. I want to 298 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: ask you a question because I was thinking of you 299 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: and your tremendous ability to educate in academia. In Congress, 300 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: Speaker of the House, we played a clip last week 301 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: of a man on the street asking fundamental questions about 302 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: CIVIIX basic questions about American history. Most of the people 303 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: who were questioned and provided answers absolutely flunked the questions. 304 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: And it was stuff, mister speaker like what was the 305 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: Revolutionary War? 306 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: About? 307 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: Who won the Civil War? Why did they call it 308 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: the Cold War? Some young woman said, well, let's see, yeah, 309 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: I think it was very chilly back then. You know, 310 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 2: the temperature was low. I mean, oh my god. And 311 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, we are producing an American education 312 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: a collection of idiots and morons, and that's a little harsh. 313 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: I fault the powerful Teachers' union led by Randy Wingarten. 314 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: They care more about, you know, their fat bank accounts 315 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: and pensions than they do about educating American youth. 316 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 3: Why have we failed so miserably. 317 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: In that Well? I think it was in many ways deliberate. 318 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: I think that the progressies, beginning with John Dewey, felt 319 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: that facts were conservatizing and that if you could have 320 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: a focus on feelings rather than facts, you could produce 321 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: people who are much more malleable and therefore could be shaped. Because, 322 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: again the progressive movement education was against American civilization. It 323 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: had the belief that American civilization was inherently bad, and 324 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: it wanted to create a utopian future in which everything 325 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: would be wonderful and warm and fuzzy. If anything's understated, 326 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: there are five high schools in Baltimore in which not 327 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: a single student can do math, not one in five 328 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: high schools. Now, this is a catastrophe for the children. 329 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: It's a catastrophe for the country. The teachers' unions are 330 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: a major impediment to reform. The intellectual framework of the 331 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: schools of education are hostile to a fact based, historically oriented, 332 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: aievement based learning system. I think it is, in the 333 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: long run, the greatest single crisis in our culture that 334 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: we are producing people incapable of earning a living and 335 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: capable of being citizens, incapable of understanding the modern world. 336 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: And you can't do that very long. Jefferson warned about 337 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: that and said that anybody who thinks you can be 338 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: both ignorant and free clearly misunderstands the cost of freedom. 339 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: I think you touched on something really, really important. I 340 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: did want to mention about Lincoln because he is so astonishing. 341 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: You know, he's the only president who has a patent. 342 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: He had invented a device for raising steamboats and he 343 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: patented it. So if you go to the OS Patent Office, 344 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: the one presidential name is Abraham Lincoln, and he did 345 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: that in passing. I mean, this is why a friend 346 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: of mine once said that Lincoln cheated because he was 347 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: a genius. It's not fair to compare him to anybody 348 00:23:51,040 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: else because he was so astonishing. You raised something that 349 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: I think is often understudied. That's Theodore Roosevelt, who arguably 350 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: was the most popular president since George Washington. The Teddy 351 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: Bear was named for him. It was Teddy's Bear, in 352 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: honor of a cub that he had not she refused 353 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: to shoot when he was out west hunting. He was 354 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: wildly popular at the time. What was your take and 355 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: why did you include Theodore Roosevelt. 356 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 2: Well, Teddy Roosevelt was launched into the presidency by assassination 357 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: at the dawn of the century. And you're right. He 358 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 2: was this charismatic, gregarious man, which stands in contrast to 359 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: this sort of pitiful little boy. As he was growing 360 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: up stricken with asthma and all kinds of health problems 361 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: and retreated to his room in New York City in Manhattan, 362 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 2: where the family lived, and he read books and his 363 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: father got him to undertake a regiment of exercise, and 364 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: he built up his body, and he became, of course 365 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: the teddy we know, right, this strong, vigorous, vibrant figure 366 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: who was dedicated to the great outdoors and all kinds 367 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: of activities. But he, you know, in the Gilded Age, 368 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: monopolists and robber barons were a real problem, and of 369 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 2: course Roosevelt took them on fearlessly with the promise of 370 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: a square deal for every man, big or small, rich 371 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: or poor. One of the things he did was he 372 00:25:54,040 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: resurrected the sort of moribon legislation involving anti trot and 373 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: which precipitated new anti trust laws. The Sherman Act was 374 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: put into place in made of use, and Roosevelt cut 375 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: down the big guys to size, and it helped the 376 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 2: American consumer because monopolists were creating high prices, unaffordable conditions. 377 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: It was an economy in which only the rich were benefiting. 378 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: So Roosevelt changed the American economy in so many different ways. 379 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: He sued successfully, and I mentioned this in my book, 380 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: so many different mega companies back then, and he set 381 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: I think this sort of roadmap for today's anti trust 382 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: use I took a class in antitrust in law school. 383 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: I think I did better in that than any other 384 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: because I found it so fascinating only because of Teddy Roosevelt, 385 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: so he had to be in my book range. 386 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: Just to your two most recent books, what are you 387 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: thinking about working on next? 388 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: My wife is forbidding me from writing any more books, and. 389 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 3: She rules the roost. 390 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 2: I'm sure you can appreciate that, mister speaker. I don't know, 391 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: you know, I was thinking about doing a follow up 392 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 2: book to Clarence Darrow, a natural sequel to the first book, 393 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: The Trial of the Century, because he had two incredibly 394 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 2: important cases, one before and one after the Scopes Monkey Trial. 395 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: And if anybody came to love Clarence Strow as much 396 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: as I did after reading my book, I think they'd 397 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: like to learn more and see more, you know, and 398 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: to kill a mockingberg. Atticus Finch goes against the popular 399 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: tide in the small southern town and defends an African 400 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: American defendant accused wrongfully of raping a young white woman, 401 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: and in that same vein, so did Clarence Darrell when 402 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 2: a black family was set upon in their own home 403 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: by a mob of KKK. They dared to defend themselves. 404 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: And you know, the doctor Ossian Sweet was charged the 405 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: homeowner with murder. Nobody would defend doctor Sweet except Clarence Daryl. 406 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: And how he won the case is astonishing and I 407 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: think it's a story that has never been told and 408 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: needs to be told. And you know, he delivers this 409 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: closing argument and even the judge has tears streaming down 410 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: his face. That was the greatness of Clarence Daryl. I 411 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: think they should make a mini series on Clarence Darrel 412 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: for Netflix because he was the greatest trial lawyer in 413 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: America in history, in my judgment, and there's almost nothing 414 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: about him. 415 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: That was a fairly famous movie, I guess a generation ago. 416 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: Well, there was the movie with Spencer Tracy, Frederick Marsh 417 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: and Gene Kelly which was called Inherit the Wind about 418 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: the Scopes Monkey Trial. But it was a fictionalized version, 419 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: and oddly enough, with that great cast, it was in 420 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: black and white, came out in nineteen sixty. 421 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 3: It was kind of a flop. 422 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: You'll see it, you know, late night on some of 423 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: the old movie channels AMC. 424 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: I think it is. 425 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: But you know what I discovered when I went to 426 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: the dusty basement archives in Dayton, Tennessee, where the trial 427 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: took place. 428 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 3: It was closed at the. 429 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: Time, but I got a key and I went down 430 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: there and I discovered the original trial transcript of the 431 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: Scopes Monkey Trial. And it was different, naturally because inherit 432 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: the wing was fixed. A lot of it was made up. 433 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: Some of the. 434 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: Characters were not just made up, others true characters were embellished. 435 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: They even changed the names. That's how fictionalized it was. 436 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: And there have been a couple of movies that were 437 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: again fictionalized versions of variation on the famous Leopold in 438 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: Low murder case which captivated the nation back in the 439 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: nineteen twenties. And I have thought and again that was 440 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: Clarence S. Daro who defended Leopold in Lobe America was 441 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: demanding that they be hanged and as despicable as their 442 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: crime was, kidnapping and murdered, to see if they could 443 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: get away with a perfect crime. 444 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 3: Clarence S. 445 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: Darrow did save their lives with a two day long 446 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: closing argument about capital punishment. And you know, I read 447 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: about it first in Irving Stone's great biography on Clarence 448 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: Darrow and it shaped my opinion about capital punished. And 449 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 2: you can read some of Darrow's closing arguments in several books, 450 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: all of which I've read as well. But you know, 451 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: that might also be another book I'd be interested in doing. 452 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: Well. Hopefully, after you've had a few months off, your 453 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: wife will get tired of having around the house and say, 454 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: why don't you write a book. 455 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's already tired of having me around 456 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: the house. That's been going on for about thirty years. 457 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. A friend of mine once said that 458 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: she said to her husband, I married you for better 459 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: or worse, but not for breakfast and lunch. 460 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 3: That's hilarious. 461 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: What can I tell you? Listen, Greg, I want to 462 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: thank you once again for joining me. I think every 463 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: time we do this, I think they're great interviews, great podcast. 464 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: You're such a professional, and I think what you've done 465 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: with this new book is really to create a collector's 466 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: item for every patriot and for everyone who wants their 467 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: children and grandchildren to be patriots. The book is the Constitution, 468 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: United States and other patriotic documents. I recommend Our Lives 469 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: listeners get a copy as a holiday gift for friends. 470 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: Or family and check to see if their local schools 471 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: can use it in their Civics classes and others. And 472 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: so thank you very much for joining. 473 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: I always learn a lot from you from your books, 474 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: our discussions. 475 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: Your books are terrific. 476 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: And they're a must read for everybody, and I always 477 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: read them and I always learned something new in them, 478 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 2: and thank you so much. 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