Speaker 1: M m M. And welcome back all the smoke. We
Speaker 1: got a good one today, man, my former teammate, our brother. Uh,
Speaker 1: just a good all around human being, real one. You
Speaker 1: don't find too many of the good around, all around
Speaker 1: human beings. And welcome to the show, carn brother app
Speaker 1: you're looking clean hey man. Corporate corporate thuging. Just wrapped
Speaker 1: season two as the Miami Heat assistant coach. Being able
Speaker 1: to kind of make a full circle that's where you
Speaker 1: started your career at now you're back there coaching. How's
Speaker 1: that experience been? You know what, it's it's been amazing
Speaker 1: because I think that you know, coaching is a sell
Speaker 1: for the sport, and um, obviously it's a selfless act
Speaker 1: as well. So just being able to pour back into
Speaker 1: some of these brothers and you know, give them that
Speaker 1: wealth of insight and information that's needed, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like in the course of the season, it's
Speaker 1: been therapeutic for me. And then also just you know,
Speaker 1: knowing that they definitely needed in the course of the
Speaker 1: season to like this amplify whatever talents that they have
Speaker 1: who they are. So it's been a blessing. I think
Speaker 1: gods like you are in great positions because some of
Speaker 1: that Jack Can I always talk about on the show
Speaker 1: with the lack of vets in the locker room. And
Speaker 1: you remember when we all came in the league, there
Speaker 1: was thirty six, thirty seven, thirty ye year old dudes.
Speaker 1: It was just there. Whether they played or not, they
Speaker 1: contributed in major ways. I mean, obviously you guys have
Speaker 1: a super vetting u D. But how important do you
Speaker 1: feel like that is. I mean, although you're removed from
Speaker 1: actually playing, you're still in the locker room back on
Speaker 1: the coaching side. But how important you feel like that
Speaker 1: is that that the NBA is definitely lacking right now. Man,
Speaker 1: It's it's it's so important, like having someone like you d.
Speaker 1: I just think like he's the the blueprint for you know,
Speaker 1: all vets and how the organs they and how systems
Speaker 1: should be ran from top to bottom. When you talk
Speaker 1: about having a corner storing of a franchise still there
Speaker 1: that been through the wars, went through the battles, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, championship pedigree and still able to relate and
Speaker 1: connect in the locker room, still can throw him out
Speaker 1: their play spot minutes. And then also he's able to
Speaker 1: you know, this be that voice and that bridge between
Speaker 1: us and the coaching staff to the locker room. Right.
Speaker 1: I think more teams and organizations need to, you know,
Speaker 1: revisit that. I know a lot of teams don't want
Speaker 1: to give up that roster spot, but it's extremely important.
Speaker 1: Like the value of Udonis has them in that locker room.
Speaker 1: Is this you can see it? Yeah, see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Past season, mine was number one. You know, y'all be Philly.
Speaker 1: You had some ups and dollars didn't get to the
Speaker 1: championship to get to the goal. Talk about this season
Speaker 1: and what and what you got out of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: we we got a lot out of the season, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, just because obviously we know that
Speaker 1: we was missing a lot of people. COVID season was
Speaker 1: prior to that. But this season we had pretty much,
Speaker 1: if you want to look at it from a real
Speaker 1: basketball like head position, we had three dead roster spots
Speaker 1: at times, like guys that really wasn't in the rotation.
Speaker 1: We missed Jimmy for a significant amount of games. We
Speaker 1: missed Bam due the surgery. He was out for like
Speaker 1: six to seven weeks. And then obviously you d not
Speaker 1: being in the rotation, but still being a voice. So
Speaker 1: we still was able to manufacture the number one seed
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference in the course of being you know,
Speaker 1: like edited so many players throughout the course of it's
Speaker 1: mixed max in so many uh different lineups throughout the
Speaker 1: course of the season, but we found a way just
Speaker 1: to get quality wins and keep that momentum throughout the
Speaker 1: whole course of the season, grinding out. Jimmy Butler that shot,
Speaker 1: you know who else gonna s which? What was your aspect?
Speaker 1: I mean, what was you What were you thinking when
Speaker 1: he took that shot? That ship going in, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: right off top. I was like, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: live and die by you know, your franchise guy. Throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the season. Um, Jimmy has done some
Speaker 1: things that people, oh, ship, like why he you that?
Speaker 1: He's that dude, and you know it's good that come
Speaker 1: with that, and it's some bad that come with that.
Speaker 1: I felt like that was the right shot because I
Speaker 1: think it was like seventeen sixteen point eight on the clock.
Speaker 1: They still had a time out, so you know, al
Speaker 1: hor for this retreating and he's going at him. He
Speaker 1: probably would have filed him, and I just felt like,
Speaker 1: you know what, he was like, Ship, I'm going for
Speaker 1: the game, you know, and all we gotta do is
Speaker 1: get it killed. On the opposite end, it's an s
Speaker 1: ob play. They're gonna draw up, so let's go for
Speaker 1: the win. And if he went if he would have
Speaker 1: hit that shot, what then he that dude? And he's
Speaker 1: still that dude even though it then go in and
Speaker 1: you be back right back at that ship next year.
Speaker 1: But he's a different kind of superstar, like almost a
Speaker 1: blue collar superstar exactly what that? And he embodies Miami
Speaker 1: Heat basketball. What what makes him different? You've got a
Speaker 1: chance to play with superstars. You've been a star yourself.
Speaker 1: What makes Jimmy Butler different? Because I feel like he's
Speaker 1: kind of a Swiss army. Now if he could be
Speaker 1: the leaders scorer, he can get all the assists, he
Speaker 1: can get stopped on defense, he can rebound, he makes
Speaker 1: when he plays. What makes him different? Since you've been
Speaker 1: with him day today, I'm glad you said that because
Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. A lot of people like
Speaker 1: myself when I played, I was just like Ship, I
Speaker 1: gotta get a bucket to have my true impact on
Speaker 1: the game. I gotta get a bucket. I gotta be
Speaker 1: a problem. I gotta draw double team ship like that.
Speaker 1: Jimmy is just a winner. Like at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, he don't give a ship if he got
Speaker 1: seven points. But he's gonna win his matchup and obviously
Speaker 1: he's going to have his fingerprints on ultimately moving the
Speaker 1: needle for the quality win. So that's all he cared about.
Speaker 1: I've played in in locker rooms and on teams with
Speaker 1: dudes that really cared about that ship the bottom line,
Speaker 1: like getting their numbers. But he just cared about the duck.
Speaker 1: I love it. Where do you think you have anything
Speaker 1: proved well? Right now? With the loss of PJ. We
Speaker 1: have Kayla Martin who's gonna try to feel that role,
Speaker 1: and you know he adds, you know, some more use
Speaker 1: from athleticism. We'll see what happens. You know. One of
Speaker 1: the things that was glaring to me was when you
Speaker 1: look at the Boston Celtic and you know, those those
Speaker 1: two monsters and Brown and Tatum, they posed a lot
Speaker 1: of issues and you know, Jimmy was trying to will
Speaker 1: it um. He did a remarkable job at you know,
Speaker 1: going up against the two three best players in every series.
Speaker 1: But you know, he kind of ran on fumes at
Speaker 1: the end. You know, he had to score forty plus
Speaker 1: points for us to you know, even have a chance
Speaker 1: to get a quality win, and the other guys stepped
Speaker 1: up major league. But you know, Tyler, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to improve physicality of the game. He's gonna have to
Speaker 1: get better, and he's working on that. You know, everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna have to move the needle in the process, uh
Speaker 1: tremendously this summer, and everybody's out here grinding, like you know,
Speaker 1: they're probably doing the Nightlife ship, but they also grinding
Speaker 1: working craft. Talk about spo um Man Matt No, you know,
Speaker 1: we both respect the ship out of suppose. He's one
Speaker 1: of the great one the best coaches to have a coach,
Speaker 1: and he came up under path Rolly and you know,
Speaker 1: I think Pop do a great job of bringing this
Speaker 1: Some Hall of Fame coaches up under them too, and Spoke.
Speaker 1: Um One thing I like about Spoke he didn't really
Speaker 1: go too far away from what Pap Roddie taught him,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And just give talk to
Speaker 1: us about Spoke because a lot of people don't talk
Speaker 1: about him much, and he don't talk much, and you
Speaker 1: don't give a ship like if you're not talking about him.
Speaker 1: He just care about results, the same as Jimmy, and
Speaker 1: I think that that's why the marriage between our organizations,
Speaker 1: SPO being at the helm of it and Jimmy with
Speaker 1: our franchise players just like so perfect because they don't
Speaker 1: need all the accolades, they don't need a symbolic recognition.
Speaker 1: They just care about the end, the result, getting wins,
Speaker 1: putting banners up, and um, we're trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: get one together with Jimmy as our head. But you know,
Speaker 1: SPO tell you a quick story about him. During the
Speaker 1: course of the pandemic, I was just doing like a
Speaker 1: lot of CNN ship uh sending over this edits on
Speaker 1: NBA TV about the game of basketball in the film room,
Speaker 1: chopping up the game. I guess SPO had probably caught
Speaker 1: some of the stuff and he was like, man, you
Speaker 1: need to seriously consider coming on the sideline and being
Speaker 1: a coach. I wrestled with the thought of it for
Speaker 1: about a week and he hit me back and he
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta see for you, like come over here.
Speaker 1: You know, joined the culture and rested it again for
Speaker 1: a day and I thought about what organization that get
Speaker 1: it right every time? San Antonio Miami Heat, and it's
Speaker 1: probably another one out there, but definitely the Miami Heat.
Speaker 1: And it's been a great experience. I've learned so much
Speaker 1: about preparation, about the schemes, and just you know, really
Speaker 1: coaching every player because we're all different in a unique way,
Speaker 1: and just really tapping in and moving the needle with
Speaker 1: every guy. There was a moment that went viral heading
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. I remember was all on the ESPN
Speaker 1: when it all was going down, Um when Jimmy got
Speaker 1: into it with Spo and then you u D kind
Speaker 1: of stepped in and all the outside people looking in, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a problem. This is gonna be an issue
Speaker 1: for this team. I looked at on the flip side,
Speaker 1: like this ship happens all the time, and to me,
Speaker 1: I think you guys are gonna get closer, And I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think you guys are gonna grow
Speaker 1: closer from it. Talk to us about that kind stuff
Speaker 1: that people don't if you don't really know the game,
Speaker 1: you don't understand. But that kind of ship sometimes needed,
Speaker 1: and that's the kind of thing sometimes to bring you
Speaker 1: guys close and you guys want on a great run.
Speaker 1: It happened. All that should happen, and you know what,
Speaker 1: shout out to you for speaking on that because I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, I I watched because I've been in the
Speaker 1: media space before and I was watching, like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: the fund is the narrative going to be about us?
Speaker 1: Because we know about us, but nobody else know about us,
Speaker 1: and everybody else just assuming. And I remember Keenly that
Speaker 1: you know, you said exactly what you just said, like
Speaker 1: they're gonna be connected. Uh, they're gonna rally around this moment,
Speaker 1: and you know it's you know, some real ship need
Speaker 1: to be said. It was uncomfortable on the fly, you know,
Speaker 1: you d you know, stepped up and you know we ship,
Speaker 1: we had it, went went to dinner after that. You know,
Speaker 1: it was chill. It was just like one of those
Speaker 1: moments like no love loss and nothing but love game.
Speaker 1: From that experience, there has to be a certain level
Speaker 1: of respect though, and understanding like that, and and the
Speaker 1: culture like that, because like I said, that ship happens
Speaker 1: all the time. It's just not caught on camera a
Speaker 1: lot of times with teams though, When those moments don't happen,
Speaker 1: that's when the ship get yeah, you know, fragile, and
Speaker 1: that's when it's get fractured and stuff. That's the best
Speaker 1: moments that we learned from him. Um switching gears your childhood,
Speaker 1: born and raised Recine, Wisconsin. Talk to us about your
Speaker 1: upbringing and your struggle and just your perseverance to be
Speaker 1: able to even though it's a bunch of crazy ship
Speaker 1: going on and some ship happening to you, you never
Speaker 1: to make your way through it, you know what. I
Speaker 1: was just intrigued by, like like a lot of young people,
Speaker 1: like disintrigued by all the wrong ship that was going
Speaker 1: on out there, and I felt like I had to,
Speaker 1: you know, be involved in pretty much everything, like from
Speaker 1: you know, hustling and carrying pistols too. You know, there's
Speaker 1: being a trying to mimic the men in my family
Speaker 1: or who I thought was my mentors, everybody ahead of me.
Speaker 1: And then you know, from those experiences like being incarcerated,
Speaker 1: I think it's like this really humbled me, slowed me down.
Speaker 1: Obviously it saved my life, but it slowed me down
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker because I had to really just look
Speaker 1: at life slower, like I was becoming a failure to
Speaker 1: the people that sacrificed the most for me, my mother
Speaker 1: and my grandmother. I already had a kid at the
Speaker 1: age of thirteen, so you know, I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: like her father a felon already, and it's like, how
Speaker 1: do you process that ship? So you had your first
Speaker 1: met you up, you had your first child at thirteen? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my first child at thirteen, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: you know, I grew without a father. So I didn't
Speaker 1: want my habits to continue down our path. So I
Speaker 1: had to like really make a judgment decision where I
Speaker 1: already knew what the outcome of the path that I
Speaker 1: was leading was going to lead to. I was going
Speaker 1: to continue to get incarcerated, somebody was gonna blow my
Speaker 1: ship back, or I was gonna have to do something
Speaker 1: to somebody. So fast forward, I just said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just try to square straight and narrowship, Like
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna try this lifestyle and see where it leads.
Speaker 1: At what age did you start making that decision? About
Speaker 1: fifteen and a half fifteen sixteen, Um, it was right
Speaker 1: after I got sentenced to two years in corrections. I did.
Speaker 1: Eighteen months I got out, I was on papers. Uh,
Speaker 1: clicked up with this traveling team, George brad Community Center.
Speaker 1: They were sponsored by Nike. It just got taking me
Speaker 1: around the world and just competing against some of the
Speaker 1: baddest dudes out there at the time. Quentin Richardson Corey
Speaker 1: mcgetty talk about a lot of this in the book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and just getting at it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like my first tournament where I really got
Speaker 1: recognized was the Peace Jail. I wasn't even supposed to
Speaker 1: be there. We're going to Junior Peace Jamil. See what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like it's still going because there's a major tournament.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't even supposed to be there because when
Speaker 1: I was on probation too, I had a bracelet, so
Speaker 1: like I had to he was the first one to
Speaker 1: play with the angle. Tell you I was not supposed
Speaker 1: to be there, So I took the bracelet off and
Speaker 1: I left the bracelet the nows so they thought I
Speaker 1: still was, you know, in the region, and I went
Speaker 1: to a tournament, played in it and I got on.
Speaker 1: So the headlines in the paper was like, you know,
Speaker 1: this kid has arrived and my po was like you
Speaker 1: wasn't Eve supposed to be out of the state, So
Speaker 1: that was an issue. Uh did seven days for that
Speaker 1: and then like my basketball story took off from that
Speaker 1: moment though that's crazy. Was at that point you fully
Speaker 1: you don't never fully but left the streets alone. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is my this is what I'm gonna do. It
Speaker 1: was at that point right there. I was always like
Speaker 1: straddling defence, still like be honest, like we're keeping a buck.
Speaker 1: Like I was still you know, dipping and dabbing, but
Speaker 1: still like leaning more towards depositive ship and you know
Speaker 1: me and in the streets. But all my homies were
Speaker 1: still in the street. You know, all my homies were
Speaker 1: g d s. You know, we we're hung together. We
Speaker 1: were still in the same neighborhoods. We still was flagging.
Speaker 1: It was what it was. But they saw something that
Speaker 1: they saw me that they didn't see an themselves. They
Speaker 1: saw that I found my niche, I had an opportunity.
Speaker 1: So it was the first time that I've seen something
Speaker 1: like this, like in my community because you know, we
Speaker 1: just got that crab in the barrel mentality. But they
Speaker 1: rallied around my gift. They was like, you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna support you, king like you're about to you made it, Yeah, beautiful,
Speaker 1: talk about your experience of uk and Jim kown I
Speaker 1: was shocked that I actually went there. Um my Muslim
Speaker 1: mentor by the brother by the name of Jamale Laguari.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to St. John's and he was like,
Speaker 1: Yukon is the best spot for you because they produced
Speaker 1: the most god the wings at your position, and they
Speaker 1: know how to get you there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So if you go through this system, uh, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be better for it. And I didn't have that evaluation.
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking at it like that. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to New York. Like I get a chance
Speaker 1: to get out of Wisconsin. You know, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of land, a lot of cows, a lot of cow tipping,
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, built dairy products. I want
Speaker 1: to go to the big city if I could, if
Speaker 1: I could do it from the gift and my talents
Speaker 1: of playing the game of basketball. But it was best
Speaker 1: decision I've ever made because Calhoun really impoured into me.
Speaker 1: And when he came into my household sat down my
Speaker 1: mother and my grandmother. You know, if anybody can be bought,
Speaker 1: you could be sold when you talk about finances, when
Speaker 1: people come trying to buy you and sell you on universities.
Speaker 1: He didn't come with a bag. He came with just
Speaker 1: some information that was true. He said, if you commit
Speaker 1: to this university, you're gonna be family forever. And he
Speaker 1: meant that That's what sold me on the whole process,
Speaker 1: instead of somebody come into your living room saying that
Speaker 1: we got fifty thousand or a hundred thousand for you,
Speaker 1: which is dope because we needed it. We was broke.
Speaker 1: But he talked to me about this importance of like
Speaker 1: what he was going to pour into me. And I
Speaker 1: wasn'ta be a man, a better man from that experience
Speaker 1: that you can what was it like having all the
Speaker 1: success of you can no Like you got a lot
Speaker 1: of players that come up out of the big Eat
Speaker 1: player of the year, lead the team and scoring lead eight.
Speaker 1: It was dope because they made it easy for me
Speaker 1: like that. The system was already in place. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of like the zag and I ain't
Speaker 1: promoting Zagga. But they never rebuild, They just reload. They
Speaker 1: find guys that like fit a certain prototype of what
Speaker 1: they're trying to do and they just like plug and play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the same thing with Yukon. It was like
Speaker 1: the perfect fit for me. It's like, dude, like, oh
Speaker 1: you like coming off screens. Here you go, you like
Speaker 1: the will action, Here you go, you like is and
Speaker 1: there you go, like and it enhanced me so much.
Speaker 1: It also this helped me be a better person as
Speaker 1: far as like walking around the campus, like going against
Speaker 1: the highs and lows and uh being in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere, Uh, you know, away from your family, but
Speaker 1: being a part of such a diverse community. You know,
Speaker 1: like I've never seen you know, white and black people
Speaker 1: like and like such a small like space like interacting
Speaker 1: and clicking. Like the south side of race scene was
Speaker 1: just you know, predominantly black and brown folks. The north
Speaker 1: side was you know, the upper echelone of white folks.
Speaker 1: So it was just like to see that type of integration,
Speaker 1: uh on the college campus. It was. It was pretty dope.
Speaker 1: So you stayed for two years. Uh you decided to
Speaker 1: make a jump. Was that an easy decision? It was
Speaker 1: the time you knew it was time to go to coach.
Speaker 1: Tell you it's time to go. Did that work out?
Speaker 1: The correct answer to say, yes, I knew it was.
Speaker 1: It was an easy decision for me to get out
Speaker 1: of there because I felt like I was better than
Speaker 1: everybody else, not just on my team, but I felt
Speaker 1: country just across the board, you know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: didn't know it was a motherfu out there by the
Speaker 1: name of y'all. Mean that was seven ft five or whatever,
Speaker 1: that was just looming that was gonna be the number
Speaker 1: one pick. But I just felt like looking at the
Speaker 1: layer of the land watching ESPN, like I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's the top five pick. I'm better than him. He
Speaker 1: number six, I'm better than him. So I was just like,
Speaker 1: it's my time to go. And it was an easy
Speaker 1: decision for me to, like financially, because if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be a lottery pick, I could provide from my family,
Speaker 1: I can create first generation riches and eventually turned into wealth.
Speaker 1: So it was a easy decision. So I remember you
Speaker 1: were so you go number ten, but that you were emotional,
Speaker 1: like you really felt like you should have went higher.
Speaker 1: And I think that that the emotion of just everything
Speaker 1: kind of poured out at once. Talked to us about
Speaker 1: when you actually were drafted. Yeah, So I was promised
Speaker 1: by three teams that I was going to go before
Speaker 1: the seventh pick, before seven. Before seven obviously was a lie.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there at the table and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: another one. And then the last promise, I was like,
Speaker 1: damn again, another one. So then I was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: maybe it's the background check stuff. And you know, people
Speaker 1: can't get jobs because they got felonies, so like when
Speaker 1: they do the background check with NBA stuff, who you
Speaker 1: hang with, what's this where you come from? All that stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe that is my Achilles Hill on this
Speaker 1: whole process, and that's the reason why I'm not getting drafted.
Speaker 1: And they brought me here to be an example for that.
Speaker 1: And that's the way I'm thinking. My wavelength calm thinking
Speaker 1: at the table. So um, I'll never forget Raymond Brothers,
Speaker 1: my agent. We go into the bathroom in the back
Speaker 1: and we started talking. Spike Lee walked through and you
Speaker 1: see his praying and he like even like joined the
Speaker 1: prayer for a minute, and I was just like, I
Speaker 1: can't remember the words of what he said, but he
Speaker 1: just told me that you know, it's all gonna plan out,
Speaker 1: it's all gonna work. At the end, a man went
Speaker 1: back out set at the table and my name was called,
Speaker 1: and I had an outpour of emotion because the sacrifices
Speaker 1: that went into getting to that point and then having
Speaker 1: the dream sitting at that table and then thinking it
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen, and then all of a sudden hearing
Speaker 1: your name like reality, and going up there and shaking
Speaker 1: the commissioner hand that she was like it was real. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first year, Tough wins first Team All Rookie can
Speaker 1: out the gates with fifteen and five. The next year
Speaker 1: you draft d Wade and trade for lamar Odom. So
Speaker 1: you see he guys are trying to build something. What
Speaker 1: is your first impression on both of them? I always
Speaker 1: loved Wade because we played in the circuit together a
Speaker 1: couple of a tournaments that I did go to that
Speaker 1: he was always at with the Illinois Warriors, and he
Speaker 1: always had like a big gass brace on his leg.
Speaker 1: You know, he was always battling d and injuries and
Speaker 1: things like that, but he just had a uh unique
Speaker 1: like hustle to him. He used to strap up defensively.
Speaker 1: He just had an edge as far as like Lamar.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was always a household name for all
Speaker 1: of us. You know, Lucky Lefty. He was coming down
Speaker 1: like most versatile big out there. The goods, yeah, the goods.
Speaker 1: So like when he came to Miami and we was
Speaker 1: able to manufacture a deal and get him. When the
Speaker 1: Clippers dropped the ball, we was like the young core
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, We're gonna be dope for
Speaker 1: like ever, for years to come, and I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: Like with d Wade, he didn't have a jump shot then,
Speaker 1: but Stam Van Gundy just said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put him in a pick and roll and see
Speaker 1: what that look like. And obviously that's when he became
Speaker 1: flash and the rest is you know, top three two guards. Ever,
Speaker 1: what was that experience like that? Because I mean ship
Speaker 1: Miami on top of that is a dope city. You
Speaker 1: guys got a nice young core. What is the vibe
Speaker 1: in the energy around the uh, the the city, but
Speaker 1: the organization like, yeah, I'm gonna tell you it was.
Speaker 1: It was not a basketball city, is not a basketball state.
Speaker 1: Still isn't, but it's getting there. It's all about football.
Speaker 1: Always been about football. Um, but I think the foundation, uh,
Speaker 1: the cornerstone of the organization. Uh, lines of Morning started it.
Speaker 1: He started the momentum, you know, us going out there
Speaker 1: as youngster's going to play in Zoe Summer Groove and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It just kind of took a life
Speaker 1: of his own. But when you have someone like d Wade,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the top players ever to play
Speaker 1: the game of basketball in the mix of you know,
Speaker 1: his prime, I just think that, you know, basketball has
Speaker 1: took new life. And then now fast forward to you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand ten and everything that happened with you know,
Speaker 1: lebron Chris Bosh and all those guys on it. It
Speaker 1: has become like this an environment for basketball like Miami
Speaker 1: is you know just crazy right now that they loved
Speaker 1: the game of basketball, got a nice polt in the city.
Speaker 1: It's growing. You know, if you're trying to be an entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: it's just about to be right now. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about bitcoin, cryptocurrency everything. It's like all the major
Speaker 1: conventions are held there, so it's it's a dope spot
Speaker 1: to be. Two thousand and four, he was in a
Speaker 1: shack trade talk about being being able to link up
Speaker 1: with being Yeah, our brother, like, uh, I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: Like coming back from Antigua, I was doing a Basketball
Speaker 1: without Borders camp or clinic for the Miami Heat and
Speaker 1: the stroller was going across. This is like when everybody
Speaker 1: used to watch ESPN around the clock type ship and
Speaker 1: I'm walking through the airport and they like Shaquille O'Neill
Speaker 1: coming to the Miami Heat. I was like, damn, we're
Speaker 1: about to be like dope. Even the Miami Heat and
Speaker 1: my name they had Labar Dave. I was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: Like that's how this worked. Like I thought I was
Speaker 1: here forever. I just bought a crib like I can't
Speaker 1: silver crib. I just bought it like it was It
Speaker 1: was just like all that emotional attachment. But um, that
Speaker 1: was just that was just a crazy experience one just
Speaker 1: to be a part of that whole process. And then
Speaker 1: going to Los Angeles and I'll never forget Kobe signed
Speaker 1: a deal for a d thirty plus million dollars. I'm
Speaker 1: at the press conference and it's actually a double press
Speaker 1: conference because they introducing myself, Brian Grant lamar Odom to
Speaker 1: the city of Los Angeles. And then Kobe signed in
Speaker 1: this deal and I'll never forget like looking at that money.
Speaker 1: And then the first thing he turned to the right
Speaker 1: said to me was get ready to blackout, Like get
Speaker 1: ready to work out, Like let's take that ship to
Speaker 1: another level. And I'm talking about the blackout sessions. Was crazy. Uh.
Speaker 1: The reason why an All Star player, the reason why
Speaker 1: I'm in the coaching space is because my time that
Speaker 1: I spent with what was he like off the court?
Speaker 1: Basketball genius? All he talked about was that the game. Uh.
Speaker 1: I started watching film with him on every plane trip,
Speaker 1: just analyzing like the rotations, the schemes, the double teams,
Speaker 1: where they was coming from, how to manipulate the defense. Um.
Speaker 1: I learned that I learned the whole bunch from a being.
Speaker 1: And also too, you know, when you talk about life
Speaker 1: after basketball, he gave me like a jewel that stuck
Speaker 1: with me. Um. The roar of the crowd is not
Speaker 1: for you as for what you can do, and as
Speaker 1: soon as you can't do it, they'll be cheering for
Speaker 1: someone else. So like, work on your second act while
Speaker 1: you're in the midst of your first. I mean he
Speaker 1: did other stuff. Obviously, he touched you know, Jack and
Speaker 1: I and and uh, you know he a really meaningful way,
Speaker 1: but mean, he wrote the foreword for your book. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, came to your hometown, ain't broke right with
Speaker 1: your family, And not a lot of people get to
Speaker 1: see that side of cope. You saw it. I was
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to see it. But tell us what that
Speaker 1: side of him is like when it's not the basketball
Speaker 1: talk subside for thirty forty five minutes an hour, what's
Speaker 1: that side of the cope. Yeah, it's it's it's unique
Speaker 1: because like I saw him like literally put his guard
Speaker 1: now like where it was like I heard all this
Speaker 1: these things about him before I got there, like don't
Speaker 1: funk with him. He's staying up, he's selfish, he's this,
Speaker 1: he's that. And once I got there, he was the
Speaker 1: first thing I saw he was just standing on business.
Speaker 1: So I was just like, like I funk with that,
Speaker 1: Like all he doing is he's standing on this business.
Speaker 1: And then um, I start like asking them stuff and
Speaker 1: he like, man right here, like let's talk. Like he
Speaker 1: just became like so welcome. I'll never forget. We got
Speaker 1: to Milwaukee, and you know, my family usually throw down
Speaker 1: when I come in town, like big box, locked party, barbecue, everything,
Speaker 1: So I told Lamar, like you want to come down
Speaker 1: and pull up? He's like, all right, cool, He's like,
Speaker 1: ask cold. Everybody's laughing like him coming like cold, you
Speaker 1: want to come up and eat some ribs and ship
Speaker 1: and this. He's like, yeah, what time. I was like
Speaker 1: laughing at the dudes, like see what I'm said, Like
Speaker 1: he came, Yeah, he came, He sat down, He kicked
Speaker 1: it with everybody. Um, one of the most memorable moments
Speaker 1: of you know, my life, because the whole hood came out,
Speaker 1: the whole community and he sat down, he ate with everybody,
Speaker 1: just chopped it up, poured into him, gave him all life.
Speaker 1: That's just who he was, you know, Like that's the
Speaker 1: side of Kobe. A lot of people didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to experience and see because he was always standing
Speaker 1: on business. But I think more of the stories came out,
Speaker 1: you know, after you know, he lost his life and
Speaker 1: everybody starts speaking on it a little bit more. Um.
Speaker 1: Two thousand five traded to the Wizards. You joined forces
Speaker 1: with the one and only Agents year old and Antoine Jamison.
Speaker 1: What was your first impression of that situation. Uh, you're
Speaker 1: obviously at the top of your game at that time. Uh,
Speaker 1: with two other high power players. What was that situation?
Speaker 1: Like I watched it before you guys, man, I was
Speaker 1: excited to go there because one I watched that playoff series,
Speaker 1: I was in Chicago and I went to the game
Speaker 1: Chicago playing the Wizards a year before Larry Hughes, and
Speaker 1: you know, they had injuries, but hell of battle, Gilbert
Speaker 1: hit the he was game winning to get him out
Speaker 1: that that round in that series, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: like that, I want to be on that squad with
Speaker 1: Larry Hughes though, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
Speaker 1: was just like, I can be on that and he
Speaker 1: was always talking about like small ball and ship like that,
Speaker 1: even in that era. And Larry Hughes left and I
Speaker 1: was in negotiations with the Lakers and they put out
Speaker 1: a number out there. I wasn't comfortable with signing, and
Speaker 1: I was just trying to orchestrate the trade and get
Speaker 1: out of there, you know. And Washington was the landing
Speaker 1: spot for me um and I wanted to be there
Speaker 1: because I just knew that, you know. Obviously, Gilbert was
Speaker 1: a bucket and you know, he was a superstar, and
Speaker 1: Antoine was, you know, a spacer and the star in
Speaker 1: his own right, and I was just like, I could
Speaker 1: really compliment those dudes. Just be my ship, just do
Speaker 1: my thing. First of all, how talented was Gilbert and
Speaker 1: what kind of work ethic did he have? He was
Speaker 1: one of the hardest workers. And I played with obviously,
Speaker 1: we talked about Kobe Um, I played with, Kadi, played
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul obviously we shared that experience. Uh honest,
Speaker 1: list of all the superstars out there, Uh, Gilbert's probably
Speaker 1: number two on that list, Derek obviously, but yeah, he
Speaker 1: top three, top three hardest worker dudes, like, you know,
Speaker 1: a little quirky, but he had some ship to him.
Speaker 1: But he was a he was a dog when it
Speaker 1: came to that that work. And like he had like
Speaker 1: a four year stretch maybe five where nobody in the
Speaker 1: league wanted to see him coming. I meant to see.
Speaker 1: So now countered that what kind of character was he? Uh,
Speaker 1: super playful, super playful. Um had a lot of he
Speaker 1: didn't take anything serious. Get the opposite. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: when they have fun, but you're serious, you're about like
Speaker 1: you're about the business always. Yeah. And and then Antoine
Speaker 1: was like a the mediator, like he was in the middle,
Speaker 1: and then Gilbert was like, like I said, he was
Speaker 1: just a jokester all the time. Yeah, still lives. You
Speaker 1: guys run into Lebron the first round, three years in
Speaker 1: a row, guarding him at that time, what was your
Speaker 1: strategy guarding this is a young Brown really kind of
Speaker 1: coming to his own. This is when I knew Lebron
Speaker 1: was special. Um, this this all happened in one place.
Speaker 1: We played him three years in a row in the
Speaker 1: playoff series. But this is when I knew your special.
Speaker 1: We try to go under on pick and rolls. That
Speaker 1: didn't work. We try to go over, try to bully over,
Speaker 1: We try to shoot the gaps, We try to stay connected,
Speaker 1: We try to meet him in transition everything. We try
Speaker 1: to weak him. Um, just strong though we we blessed him. Uh.
Speaker 1: We try to read send the double team late Blacks.
Speaker 1: We showed him literally every coverage in the playoff series
Speaker 1: and he dissected it and I was just like, he different.
Speaker 1: That's when I knew. I was like, as long as
Speaker 1: he stayed you know, available and durable, like he's gonna
Speaker 1: probably shatter just about every record. And our main thing
Speaker 1: was just even when we went to Dallas, even when
Speaker 1: we went to other teams, it was just like, let's
Speaker 1: try to win before he figured it out, because he's
Speaker 1: too he's just a basketball mind. He's brilliant, So let's
Speaker 1: try to win as many as we can, or however
Speaker 1: way we can manufacture to win one before he figured
Speaker 1: it out. So you saw obviously the world saw the
Speaker 1: growth coming. But you get a chance because you know
Speaker 1: when the the season is great, but when the lights
Speaker 1: come out of the playoffs, it's a little bit different.
Speaker 1: You saw that three years in a row. How much
Speaker 1: from the first time he played him, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: he was great then to the last time you played
Speaker 1: him in the playoffs, and that three years span had
Speaker 1: he improved. You know what, His jump shot got better,
Speaker 1: his reads got quicker. Um, he was like he was
Speaker 1: very intentional and exactly what he wanted to do on
Speaker 1: the basketball court, whereas before he was just playing. He
Speaker 1: was just like the steamrolling over people. But at the
Speaker 1: at the end, it was just like he was just
Speaker 1: playing the game. He knew exactly how he was gonna
Speaker 1: beat you. The first quarter, I'm gonna play with you
Speaker 1: like this second quarter, I'm gonna score a little bit
Speaker 1: now y'all gonna have a different coverage. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get you know to j R. Smith, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: set the whole stage and then at the end, I'll
Speaker 1: just use my star power to get to the line,
Speaker 1: get you all in the bonus quick and win the game.
Speaker 1: So like he had a strategy just like going. He
Speaker 1: was just checking all the boxes every game. All right,
Speaker 1: this so I'm gonna beat you all this game. And
Speaker 1: it was just like damn, Like, dude is just different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: brain speed, right, I mean obviously he was great, but
Speaker 1: he was in your bag in two thousand, seven, thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, you were an All Star. What was that
Speaker 1: experiencing that run for you? Like personally, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was dope because I think as as players, uh, obviously,
Speaker 1: we we have a check box of our own, like
Speaker 1: when we come into the league one you know, whether
Speaker 1: people like it or not. You want to be a
Speaker 1: household name, you want to be respected by your peers.
Speaker 1: You want to get the bag, you want to be
Speaker 1: All Star, you want to get a chip, and you
Speaker 1: want to get the like get the hell out. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's the checklist that you know, all of us half
Speaker 1: um as players, as competitive players, and you know I
Speaker 1: was able to check one of those things, you know,
Speaker 1: check one of those boxes by making an All Star team.
Speaker 1: And you know my best year was you know, pretty
Speaker 1: pretty much. Even though I was an isolation player, it
Speaker 1: came from being with great teammates like Gilbert made sure
Speaker 1: I was successful, Antoine made sure I was successful. I
Speaker 1: played in the Princeton office. You know, getting a game
Speaker 1: that season that's not easy, Like the ball finds energy
Speaker 1: and it found me, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it was it was like a dope experience. Good running
Speaker 1: uh in in d C. You hit Dallas for a year.
Speaker 1: What was it like playing with Dirt one of the
Speaker 1: best shooting bigs ever, if not the best. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think people don't give him enough credit, just like
Speaker 1: when you talk about international players, immediately you talk about
Speaker 1: a La Jouan m VPS all that stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: Dirk wasn't no joke. I mean, I think the one blemish,
Speaker 1: but it was because y'all were so great with the
Speaker 1: we believe team. Like people always go back to, like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't show up. That was an m
Speaker 1: v P season, it was, but y'all was nice, nice
Speaker 1: at hell and y'all this you had a team full
Speaker 1: of dogs. But his legacy is pretty much second and
Speaker 1: nothing like being with one organization, you know, going through
Speaker 1: the eyes in the lows and you know, eventually winning
Speaker 1: the championship in two thousand eleven. Glad I was part
Speaker 1: of being part of that team, like it was just
Speaker 1: a whole special experience. I mean, obviously, I mean, you
Speaker 1: took one championship. Some people may talk about that. But
Speaker 1: the run you guys made to get that side them
Speaker 1: you beat us, we were coming off back to back
Speaker 1: swept us, beat the Brakes off us San Antonio and
Speaker 1: okay see and then the Big Three in Miami, Big
Speaker 1: Three in Miami. That's the hell of a run that
Speaker 1: That run was crazy because we had the best record
Speaker 1: in the league and I was a third leading scorer
Speaker 1: on that ball club ruptro Ma Patella. Uh. January one
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee and we had a change over four players.
Speaker 1: Pages Toyakovich signed on um Corey Brewer. Uh. I think
Speaker 1: we brought Brian Cardinal and then another guy as well, uh,
Speaker 1: filling and filling the roster. But you know, we had
Speaker 1: three guys to replace the need of you know, sixteen
Speaker 1: seventeen points a night in that system, and that was
Speaker 1: a lot of change over. And it took us like
Speaker 1: twenty three four games to really like develop a new
Speaker 1: style in a way to play and basically around Dirk
Speaker 1: like his excellence, his leadership, Jay Kidd like point guard
Speaker 1: like out there this, you know, manufacturing points and keeping
Speaker 1: guys motivated and not letting the steam drop off. He
Speaker 1: was able to win that championship. Crazy with you on
Speaker 1: the sideline too. That's crazy to think about it. Um,
Speaker 1: you make a pit stop in l A for two years.
Speaker 1: Historically bad franchise, but we made a nice little run.
Speaker 1: I mean, ain't no secret. Uh Live City. What was
Speaker 1: your experience like with Live City? It was dope, it was.
Speaker 1: It was fun because I think having young guys and
Speaker 1: I really signed to that organization. Obviously I was thinking
Speaker 1: life at the basketball when I signed there. I was
Speaker 1: a free agent. I didn't know Lives City was gonna
Speaker 1: into that. Yeah, I knew Chris Paul was going to
Speaker 1: the Lakers. That's what we was hearing. We have every
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I was like, all right, Chris Paul
Speaker 1: going to the Lakers. We had the same assistant, Uh,
Speaker 1: miss Wilson at the time. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening on that end, and the Clippers was
Speaker 1: just trying to like have some veteran leadership around some
Speaker 1: of the young guys. Was right, Blake, No, it wasn't
Speaker 1: bet Eric Bledsoe, yeah, young blad Eric God, yeah, Ryan
Speaker 1: Gomes all those guys. So, like, I signed on intending
Speaker 1: on just being a good vet and the basketball and
Speaker 1: just get business popping in l A. And then you know, um,
Speaker 1: oh ship, Chris Paul coming, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford coming, Like then you know the possibility of
Speaker 1: all these other free agents wanted to play with, you know,
Speaker 1: this team is coming. So it's like, oh, like now
Speaker 1: we become a title team, you know, like overnight. So
Speaker 1: you go, they're thinking, just you know, compete at a
Speaker 1: high level, teach them how to win two. Now you
Speaker 1: guys are title contention, your top three, top four teams
Speaker 1: in the league. And then following that that next year,
Speaker 1: now you come and we had Jamal Crawford, Reggie the Jokers,
Speaker 1: Lamar Oldham, Grant Hill, like Chaulcy Billups. It's like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: we owned something like what do you think held us
Speaker 1: up though, because I feel like that second year, your
Speaker 1: second year, uh, my first year, Jama's first year, Lamar's
Speaker 1: first year was like what was what do you think
Speaker 1: held our team? But I've talked the leadership. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: not from us the locker room. I think even even above,
Speaker 1: Like I think from a coaching standpoint, now that I'm
Speaker 1: in this seat and I'm coaching, and you know, you're
Speaker 1: talking about everyone wise and you know, being you know,
Speaker 1: leaders of men, you gotta make sure that everyone's connected. Now,
Speaker 1: Chris did all the leadership things as far as from
Speaker 1: a teammate standpoint, like having dinners where we you know,
Speaker 1: bond and connect with one another, but you know, the
Speaker 1: X and o's and the mission and saying what it
Speaker 1: was gonna be and something that we all can rally around.
Speaker 1: That wasn't there, Like people weren't saying, hey, we're trying
Speaker 1: to win the championship. This is what it is, like,
Speaker 1: this is the role you gotta play for us to
Speaker 1: you know, get this accomplished. This is the role you
Speaker 1: gotta buy into for us to get this ship accomplished.
Speaker 1: That wasn't never discussed. We we felt it. We try
Speaker 1: to play the right way, like you was tag team
Speaker 1: in our minutes. But it wasn't like this is what
Speaker 1: the funk you gotta do for us to get this?
Speaker 1: And that was a drop off. I like him, Man,
Speaker 1: fourteen seasons. You sad to hang it up. You just
Speaker 1: knew it. It It was time. Man, I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: I checked in and Sacramento, and in my head, I
Speaker 1: thought I took off, but I didn't take off. It
Speaker 1: was I was going up for a dump, but I
Speaker 1: went for a cold as lay up. I never left
Speaker 1: the ground like I intended to leave the ground. And
Speaker 1: I was just like damn. In my head, I that
Speaker 1: was like kind of up there, so you know, the
Speaker 1: ship kind of kind of spent in there and went
Speaker 1: in and I ran the other way, and I was
Speaker 1: like ship. And I watched the film that night. I
Speaker 1: was like that, No, I can't be out there like
Speaker 1: that like that, ain't it. So I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: you know what, you know, I got my bread, I
Speaker 1: got some I got a lot of ship going on.
Speaker 1: Off the court. It's trying to pivot and just like
Speaker 1: do some other stuff. Think back to when you was fifteen,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean to when he was locked
Speaker 1: up to you is going through all the bullshit. I
Speaker 1: didn't know the direction he was going to now to
Speaker 1: write this moment to where you had now bro, all
Speaker 1: the stuff you didn't accomplished, everything you've been through. How
Speaker 1: you feel, Man, I'm beyond blessed and I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: grateful and I'm humble for like everything that I experienced,
Speaker 1: Like even when I was walking up here, like real ship, Um,
Speaker 1: I got I got my six button suit on, I'm
Speaker 1: coming up here and I'm chilling with I'm chilling with
Speaker 1: my dogs, like and I you know, I applaud you
Speaker 1: all for all the ship that you're doing and just
Speaker 1: speaking truth to our on every aspect from sports to
Speaker 1: politics to the real ship that's happening out here in
Speaker 1: these streets. But I'm just like, damn, Like we have
Speaker 1: a platform and you know, we're able to dislike speak
Speaker 1: freely on you know, everything, But it's all because like
Speaker 1: the sacrifices that we made, and this is like like
Speaker 1: this is the dream for me, Like this is the
Speaker 1: vision that you know, I just I love to see
Speaker 1: and I think like it's gonna be so impactful, like
Speaker 1: twenty years from now, twenty years from now just imagine
Speaker 1: like what our young king's gonna be doing, our young
Speaker 1: Queen's gonna be doing, what their platforms because of what
Speaker 1: y'all doing, what they've seen, what we went through, and
Speaker 1: what how he's able to overcome adversity and all that.
Speaker 1: Like the future is scary in a good way. Definitely. Um,
Speaker 1: you're real good friends with Mark Wahlberg. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was room or true. Are are you
Speaker 1: guys working on a project to kind of tell your story?
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that working on the shout out
Speaker 1: to Mark Warward. He let me use his RV out
Speaker 1: of blue. I made a post on Instagram like a
Speaker 1: month ago, I'm taking my family on a vacation and
Speaker 1: we need to RV. Then when gotta plug on rentals,
Speaker 1: motherfucker Deemsill Like, Yo, you can take one the one
Speaker 1: I used on set. I'm like, I know him, but
Speaker 1: I don't really know him like that. He's like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Mark, He's a hundred like that. And um,
Speaker 1: you know, I had I end up doing tough to
Speaker 1: use my journey from the streets and the NBA, and
Speaker 1: I came to him and for the option to you know,
Speaker 1: do a biopick. I saw no one with him and
Speaker 1: his company, and you know, we were going to shoot
Speaker 1: two years ago. I felt like the script wasn't right.
Speaker 1: And when we go back to like having the power
Speaker 1: or having you know, have enough equity in the game
Speaker 1: where you know, I've done enough for my life where
Speaker 1: I don't have to go for a quick bag or
Speaker 1: something like that, it was like, I want the story
Speaker 1: to be told right. And I'll tell you why, Like
Speaker 1: when you think about the sacrifices that my mother made,
Speaker 1: my grandmother made, and you know, because of the theatrics
Speaker 1: of you know, Hollywood it, you know, their characters wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be depicted the right way, you know from
Speaker 1: the script. You know, usually you have like the highs,
Speaker 1: the lows, and then you have like the White Knight
Speaker 1: that comes and saved the day in Hollywood and these
Speaker 1: stories and you got seventy five minutes to tell it
Speaker 1: or eighty minutes roughly, And I just wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that the script was right. Uh. Me and Jordan
Speaker 1: Fostman working on the script. We got a script that
Speaker 1: we love, that we fell in love with, that my
Speaker 1: my mother loved, my grandmother liked, and now it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move to Needle. Let's get this ship done.
Speaker 1: So we got progress. We got and not a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know too, because you're stick to the
Speaker 1: business head down. You're a beast in the entrepreneurial space.
Speaker 1: Do you mind share any of the things you're into
Speaker 1: because I know you're all over the place with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we got, you know, six graduated hotels. I was
Speaker 1: just speaking of one of the partners on set about
Speaker 1: the one that we we bought the old Nathan Hill
Speaker 1: on the at the University of Connecticut. We got a Starbucks,
Speaker 1: we got a lot of real estate out of Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: just brought up the whole block renamed the Carime Butler Drive,
Speaker 1: got community centers, UH, got programming like we're in a
Speaker 1: lot of different spaces like this. Pay no, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love We sat down a few times and you
Speaker 1: were telling me, I'm just like that, oh that too,
Speaker 1: Oh that this dude is a beat. So appreciate to
Speaker 1: shut you out on that for sure. Father and five
Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? Man? Everything? Because you know,
Speaker 1: growing up without a father, obviously that was it left
Speaker 1: for a huge stain on a lot of things. But
Speaker 1: it also taught me about having that boy and what
Speaker 1: I wanted to be if I became a father. So
Speaker 1: it means everything. My four little girls. My son who's
Speaker 1: at the University Irvine is going to a senior years
Speaker 1: playing basketball. My daughter about to go to University of Howard. Uh,
Speaker 1: I got an eleven year older question and fucking ride
Speaker 1: horses sensive sport. It's very specials Yeah, it's very dangerous.
Speaker 1: She fell off a few times. Hot right back up.
Speaker 1: And my youngest child, Jiah, she's a part of the
Speaker 1: diabetic community j d RF, so she's an ambassador. She
Speaker 1: does amazing work. She speaks probably about her condition. Actually
Speaker 1: running the house. Yeah, she runs the house. She got
Speaker 1: a ton of personality. So it's just it's dope to
Speaker 1: be a father and you know, still be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, do something that I love, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: that I'm passionate about. And coach talk about the book
Speaker 1: sho oh man. So Shot Clock we had we had
Speaker 1: to experience a while back, real close to the time
Speaker 1: where the George Floyd's situation happened. And I watch you march,
Speaker 1: I watch all of us march and rally around at
Speaker 1: that cost. But shot clock came the thought and the
Speaker 1: idea came from We went to march to the Capitol
Speaker 1: Building uh in Racing, Wisconsin, the City Court Circuit building,
Speaker 1: and they gave people like time on the clock the
Speaker 1: um really talk about their discomforts and display it was
Speaker 1: in the community and I was just like, damn, Like,
Speaker 1: you're looking at how much time you can really talk
Speaker 1: about all the ship that's wrong in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and enough. And I was just like, man, that's something
Speaker 1: that we're all up against time. So I took these
Speaker 1: kids stories that I coached, that I've seen in the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: that I was able to mentor that I was able to,
Speaker 1: you know, try to help something that fail by the wayside,
Speaker 1: something that died. And we came up with the title
Speaker 1: shot clock because we're all up against time. You know,
Speaker 1: we're just telling these stories, these real stories, and hope
Speaker 1: that they come part of the core curriculum of you know,
Speaker 1: school today. You know, it got picked up by scholastic Sports,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be everywhere. That's extremely important. But some
Speaker 1: of the old stories that you read now from Outsiders,
Speaker 1: to Kill a Mockingbird, things like that great Gas to
Speaker 1: be Dope, stories, amazing books, but I think they're dated,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they're way outdated, and they don't really
Speaker 1: talk and speak to us. So I wanted to make content.
Speaker 1: And that's something that me and Kobe had in common
Speaker 1: where we used to talk about like ideas and just
Speaker 1: you know, make making content that can really impact young people.
Speaker 1: So that's why shot Clock is a reality. It comes out,
Speaker 1: you know, nine six two, and look forward to sharing
Speaker 1: those stories with the world. Beautiful quick here of us,
Speaker 1: you plus four going to the black Top. Wire You
Speaker 1: bringing Ship, not to the gym, to the black Top. Matt,
Speaker 1: all right, so I can tell you, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: arrest my soul, my brother Kobe Bryant. I'll take him
Speaker 1: to any black Top, purple Top, any time he gets busy, anywhere,
Speaker 1: take m J. I'm gonna need some enforces, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bring both of y'all and Ship. I'm gonna gonna
Speaker 1: get busy with it. I'm gonna coach the team since
Speaker 1: I'm in that seat now, and I'm I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: j have Jay cross over, get busy out there. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. You can listen to with no skips.
Speaker 1: Miseducational Lauren Hill. The one and only tapping, Always tap
Speaker 1: all the way. First thing you're doing the morning, last
Speaker 1: thing you do when you go to sleep. First thing
Speaker 1: I got to do in the morning is you know,
Speaker 1: I always look at my capital fund. I look at
Speaker 1: my statements, look at what's going in, what's going out.
Speaker 1: The last thing I do before I go to sleep.
Speaker 1: I pray every night, no matter where I'm at, What's
Speaker 1: what state? I pray FaceTime one of my kids talk
Speaker 1: to him like, that's that's my joy. Like, I go
Speaker 1: to sleep happy. That's important. I dream good than the
Speaker 1: funniest thing that's happened to you recently. So I've been
Speaker 1: slimming down a little bit and I try to go
Speaker 1: in in the gym and dump by myself. And it
Speaker 1: didn't go like I wanted it to go. So like
Speaker 1: that lamp secrament, Yeah, it was worse. It was worse.
Speaker 1: I lost the rim and just put it like that.
Speaker 1: I landed awkwardly and I just I just got back realigned.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to move really gingerly right now. If
Speaker 1: you can see one guest on all the smoke, who
Speaker 1: would it be? But you have to help us get
Speaker 1: your ass on the show. You know a lot of people.
Speaker 1: You know what I would love. Like you mentioned Mark Walber,
Speaker 1: I would love to see Mark Warburg on the show.
Speaker 1: I would also love to see uh, you know, Jay
Speaker 1: z on on y'all show, just speaking truth to power.
Speaker 1: Just that would be a dope. Like I love the
Speaker 1: Snoop Dog episode that you guys had and ship to
Speaker 1: Damn Dash like everything. Yeah, so have hold on here,
Speaker 1: that would be powerful. Yeah you heard, you heard the
Speaker 1: end of that question. All right, Yeah, I can help
Speaker 1: out with yeah. Okay, yeah, okay, okay, we're good, Rock,
Speaker 1: We're good. We're good. Well, karn Man, we appreciate you. Uh,
Speaker 1: your journey has been you know, admired. You know the grind,
Speaker 1: the perseverance you had to make it through it, and
Speaker 1: like you said, the way you're sitting here right now
Speaker 1: and just continuing to pass it forward to others. Man,
Speaker 1: we definitely appreciate that. So I wanted to give you
Speaker 1: your flowers and also give you this all the smoke
Speaker 1: time and legends. Dog. I like that, you know, I
Speaker 1: have it in all time. Appreciate man, I appreciate you. Man.
Speaker 1: That's a rap with Crown Butler. All the smoke You
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