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Speaker 1: M m M. And welcome back all the smoke. We

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Speaker 1: got a good one today, man, my former teammate, our brother. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just a good all around human being, real one. You

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Speaker 1: human beings. And welcome to the show, carn brother app

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Speaker 1: you're looking clean hey man. Corporate corporate thuging. Just wrapped

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Speaker 1: season two as the Miami Heat assistant coach. Being able

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Speaker 1: with the lack of vets in the locker room. And

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Speaker 1: Past season, mine was number one. You know, y'all be Philly.

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Speaker 1: Like with d Wade, he didn't have a jump shot then,

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00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 1: but Stam Van Gundy just said, you know what, I'm

429
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: gonna put him in a pick and roll and see

430
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: what that look like. And obviously that's when he became

431
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: flash and the rest is you know, top three two guards. Ever,

432
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 1: what was that experience like that? Because I mean ship

433
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: Miami on top of that is a dope city. You

434
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: guys got a nice young core. What is the vibe

435
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: in the energy around the uh, the the city, but

436
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 1: the organization like, yeah, I'm gonna tell you it was.

437
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: It was not a basketball city, is not a basketball state.

438
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: Still isn't, but it's getting there. It's all about football.

439
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: Always been about football. Um, but I think the foundation, uh,

440
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: the cornerstone of the organization. Uh, lines of Morning started it.

441
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: He started the momentum, you know, us going out there

442
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,959
Speaker 1: as youngster's going to play in Zoe Summer Groove and

443
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It just kind of took a life

444
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: of his own. But when you have someone like d Wade,

445
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, one of the top players ever to play

446
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 1: the game of basketball in the mix of you know,

447
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: his prime, I just think that, you know, basketball has

448
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: took new life. And then now fast forward to you know,

449
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 1: two thousand ten and everything that happened with you know,

450
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: lebron Chris Bosh and all those guys on it. It

451
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: has become like this an environment for basketball like Miami

452
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: is you know just crazy right now that they loved

453
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: the game of basketball, got a nice polt in the city.

454
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: It's growing. You know, if you're trying to be an entrepreneur,

455
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: it's just about to be right now. Um, you know,

456
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: talking about bitcoin, cryptocurrency everything. It's like all the major

457
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: conventions are held there, so it's it's a dope spot

458
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: to be. Two thousand and four, he was in a

459
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: shack trade talk about being being able to link up

460
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: with being Yeah, our brother, like, uh, I'll never forget.

461
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: Like coming back from Antigua, I was doing a Basketball

462
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: without Borders camp or clinic for the Miami Heat and

463
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 1: the stroller was going across. This is like when everybody

464
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: used to watch ESPN around the clock type ship and

465
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: I'm walking through the airport and they like Shaquille O'Neill

466
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: coming to the Miami Heat. I was like, damn, we're

467
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: about to be like dope. Even the Miami Heat and

468
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: my name they had Labar Dave. I was like, oh, ship,

469
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: Like that's how this worked. Like I thought I was

470
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: here forever. I just bought a crib like I can't

471
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: silver crib. I just bought it like it was It

472
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: was just like all that emotional attachment. But um, that

473
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: was just that was just a crazy experience one just

474
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: to be a part of that whole process. And then

475
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: going to Los Angeles and I'll never forget Kobe signed

476
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: a deal for a d thirty plus million dollars. I'm

477
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: at the press conference and it's actually a double press

478
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: conference because they introducing myself, Brian Grant lamar Odom to

479
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: the city of Los Angeles. And then Kobe signed in

480
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: this deal and I'll never forget like looking at that money.

481
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: And then the first thing he turned to the right

482
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: said to me was get ready to blackout, Like get

483
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: ready to work out, Like let's take that ship to

484
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: another level. And I'm talking about the blackout sessions. Was crazy. Uh.

485
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: The reason why an All Star player, the reason why

486
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: I'm in the coaching space is because my time that

487
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: I spent with what was he like off the court?

488
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: Basketball genius? All he talked about was that the game. Uh.

489
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: I started watching film with him on every plane trip,

490
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: just analyzing like the rotations, the schemes, the double teams,

491
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: where they was coming from, how to manipulate the defense. Um.

492
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: I learned that I learned the whole bunch from a being.

493
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: And also too, you know, when you talk about life

494
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: after basketball, he gave me like a jewel that stuck

495
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: with me. Um. The roar of the crowd is not

496
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: for you as for what you can do, and as

497
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: soon as you can't do it, they'll be cheering for

498
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: someone else. So like, work on your second act while

499
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: you're in the midst of your first. I mean he

500
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: did other stuff. Obviously, he touched you know, Jack and

501
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: I and and uh, you know he a really meaningful way,

502
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: but mean, he wrote the foreword for your book. Um,

503
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, came to your hometown, ain't broke right with

504
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: your family, And not a lot of people get to

505
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: see that side of cope. You saw it. I was

506
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to see it. But tell us what that

507
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: side of him is like when it's not the basketball

508
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: talk subside for thirty forty five minutes an hour, what's

509
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: that side of the cope. Yeah, it's it's it's unique

510
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: because like I saw him like literally put his guard

511
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: now like where it was like I heard all this

512
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: these things about him before I got there, like don't

513
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: funk with him. He's staying up, he's selfish, he's this,

514
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: he's that. And once I got there, he was the

515
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: first thing I saw he was just standing on business.

516
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: So I was just like, like I funk with that,

517
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: Like all he doing is he's standing on this business.

518
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: And then um, I start like asking them stuff and

519
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: he like, man right here, like let's talk. Like he

520
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: just became like so welcome. I'll never forget. We got

521
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: to Milwaukee, and you know, my family usually throw down

522
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: when I come in town, like big box, locked party, barbecue, everything,

523
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: So I told Lamar, like you want to come down

524
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: and pull up? He's like, all right, cool, He's like,

525
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: ask cold. Everybody's laughing like him coming like cold, you

526
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: want to come up and eat some ribs and ship

527
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: and this. He's like, yeah, what time. I was like

528
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: laughing at the dudes, like see what I'm said, Like

529
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: he came, Yeah, he came, He sat down, He kicked

530
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: it with everybody. Um, one of the most memorable moments

531
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: of you know, my life, because the whole hood came out,

532
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: the whole community and he sat down, he ate with everybody,

533
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: just chopped it up, poured into him, gave him all life.

534
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: That's just who he was, you know, Like that's the

535
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: side of Kobe. A lot of people didn't get a

536
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: chance to experience and see because he was always standing

537
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: on business. But I think more of the stories came out,

538
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, after you know, he lost his life and

539
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: everybody starts speaking on it a little bit more. Um.

540
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: Two thousand five traded to the Wizards. You joined forces

541
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: with the one and only Agents year old and Antoine Jamison.

542
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: What was your first impression of that situation. Uh, you're

543
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: obviously at the top of your game at that time. Uh,

544
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: with two other high power players. What was that situation?

545
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: Like I watched it before you guys, man, I was

546
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: excited to go there because one I watched that playoff series,

547
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: I was in Chicago and I went to the game

548
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: Chicago playing the Wizards a year before Larry Hughes, and

549
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, they had injuries, but hell of battle, Gilbert

550
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: hit the he was game winning to get him out

551
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: that that round in that series, and I was just like,

552
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: like that, I want to be on that squad with

553
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: Larry Hughes though, you know what I'm saying, Like, I

554
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: was just like, I can be on that and he

555
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: was always talking about like small ball and ship like that,

556
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 1: even in that era. And Larry Hughes left and I

557
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: was in negotiations with the Lakers and they put out

558
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: a number out there. I wasn't comfortable with signing, and

559
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: I was just trying to orchestrate the trade and get

560
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: out of there, you know. And Washington was the landing

561
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: spot for me um and I wanted to be there

562
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 1: because I just knew that, you know. Obviously, Gilbert was

563
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: a bucket and you know, he was a superstar, and

564
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: Antoine was, you know, a spacer and the star in

565
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: his own right, and I was just like, I could

566
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: really compliment those dudes. Just be my ship, just do

567
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: my thing. First of all, how talented was Gilbert and

568
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: what kind of work ethic did he have? He was

569
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: one of the hardest workers. And I played with obviously,

570
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: we talked about Kobe Um, I played with, Kadi, played

571
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul obviously we shared that experience. Uh honest,

572
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: list of all the superstars out there, Uh, Gilbert's probably

573
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: number two on that list, Derek obviously, but yeah, he

574
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: top three, top three hardest worker dudes, like, you know,

575
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: a little quirky, but he had some ship to him.

576
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: But he was a he was a dog when it

577
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: came to that that work. And like he had like

578
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: a four year stretch maybe five where nobody in the

579
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: league wanted to see him coming. I meant to see.

580
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: So now countered that what kind of character was he? Uh,

581
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: super playful, super playful. Um had a lot of he

582
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't take anything serious. Get the opposite. Yeah, you know

583
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: when they have fun, but you're serious, you're about like

584
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: you're about the business always. Yeah. And and then Antoine

585
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: was like a the mediator, like he was in the middle,

586
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: and then Gilbert was like, like I said, he was

587
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: just a jokester all the time. Yeah, still lives. You

588
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: guys run into Lebron the first round, three years in

589
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: a row, guarding him at that time, what was your

590
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: strategy guarding this is a young Brown really kind of

591
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: coming to his own. This is when I knew Lebron

592
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: was special. Um, this this all happened in one place.

593
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: We played him three years in a row in the

594
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: playoff series. But this is when I knew your special.

595
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: We try to go under on pick and rolls. That

596
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: didn't work. We try to go over, try to bully over,

597
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: We try to shoot the gaps, We try to stay connected,

598
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: We try to meet him in transition everything. We try

599
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: to weak him. Um, just strong though we we blessed him. Uh.

600
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: We try to read send the double team late Blacks.

601
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: We showed him literally every coverage in the playoff series

602
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: and he dissected it and I was just like, he different.

603
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: That's when I knew. I was like, as long as

604
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: he stayed you know, available and durable, like he's gonna

605
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: probably shatter just about every record. And our main thing

606
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: was just even when we went to Dallas, even when

607
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: we went to other teams, it was just like, let's

608
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: try to win before he figured it out, because he's

609
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: too he's just a basketball mind. He's brilliant, So let's

610
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: try to win as many as we can, or however

611
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: way we can manufacture to win one before he figured

612
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: it out. So you saw obviously the world saw the

613
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: growth coming. But you get a chance because you know

614
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: when the the season is great, but when the lights

615
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: come out of the playoffs, it's a little bit different.

616
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: You saw that three years in a row. How much

617
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: from the first time he played him, and I'm sure

618
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: he was great then to the last time you played

619
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: him in the playoffs, and that three years span had

620
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: he improved. You know what, His jump shot got better,

621
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: his reads got quicker. Um, he was like he was

622
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: very intentional and exactly what he wanted to do on

623
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: the basketball court, whereas before he was just playing. He

624
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: was just like the steamrolling over people. But at the

625
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: at the end, it was just like he was just

626
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: playing the game. He knew exactly how he was gonna

627
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: beat you. The first quarter, I'm gonna play with you

628
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: like this second quarter, I'm gonna score a little bit

629
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: now y'all gonna have a different coverage. Now I'm gonna

630
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: get you know to j R. Smith, I'm I'm gonna

631
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: set the whole stage and then at the end, I'll

632
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: just use my star power to get to the line,

633
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: get you all in the bonus quick and win the game.

634
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: So like he had a strategy just like going. He

635
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 1: was just checking all the boxes every game. All right,

636
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: this so I'm gonna beat you all this game. And

637
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: it was just like damn, Like, dude is just different. Yeah,

638
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: brain speed, right, I mean obviously he was great, but

639
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: he was in your bag in two thousand, seven, thousand

640
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: and eight, you were an All Star. What was that

641
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: experiencing that run for you? Like personally, yeah, it was

642
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: it was dope because I think as as players, uh, obviously,

643
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: we we have a check box of our own, like

644
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: when we come into the league one you know, whether

645
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: people like it or not. You want to be a

646
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: household name, you want to be respected by your peers.

647
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: You want to get the bag, you want to be

648
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: All Star, you want to get a chip, and you

649
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: want to get the like get the hell out. That's like,

650
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: that's the checklist that you know, all of us half

651
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: um as players, as competitive players, and you know I

652
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: was able to check one of those things, you know,

653
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: check one of those boxes by making an All Star team.

654
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: And you know my best year was you know, pretty

655
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: pretty much. Even though I was an isolation player, it

656
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: came from being with great teammates like Gilbert made sure

657
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: I was successful, Antoine made sure I was successful. I

658
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: played in the Princeton office. You know, getting a game

659
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: that season that's not easy, Like the ball finds energy

660
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: and it found me, you know what I mean. So

661
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: it was it was like a dope experience. Good running

662
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: uh in in d C. You hit Dallas for a year.

663
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: What was it like playing with Dirt one of the

664
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: best shooting bigs ever, if not the best. Yeah, And

665
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: I think people don't give him enough credit, just like

666
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: when you talk about international players, immediately you talk about

667
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: a La Jouan m VPS all that stuff. But you know,

668
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Dirk wasn't no joke. I mean, I think the one blemish,

669
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: but it was because y'all were so great with the

670
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: we believe team. Like people always go back to, like, well,

671
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't show up. That was an m

672
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: v P season, it was, but y'all was nice, nice

673
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: at hell and y'all this you had a team full

674
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: of dogs. But his legacy is pretty much second and

675
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: nothing like being with one organization, you know, going through

676
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: the eyes in the lows and you know, eventually winning

677
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: the championship in two thousand eleven. Glad I was part

678
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: of being part of that team, like it was just

679
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: a whole special experience. I mean, obviously, I mean, you

680
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: took one championship. Some people may talk about that. But

681
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: the run you guys made to get that side them

682
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: you beat us, we were coming off back to back

683
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: swept us, beat the Brakes off us San Antonio and

684
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: okay see and then the Big Three in Miami, Big

685
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: Three in Miami. That's the hell of a run that

686
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: That run was crazy because we had the best record

687
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: in the league and I was a third leading scorer

688
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: on that ball club ruptro Ma Patella. Uh. January one

689
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee and we had a change over four players.

690
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: Pages Toyakovich signed on um Corey Brewer. Uh. I think

691
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: we brought Brian Cardinal and then another guy as well, uh,

692
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: filling and filling the roster. But you know, we had

693
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: three guys to replace the need of you know, sixteen

694
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: seventeen points a night in that system, and that was

695
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: a lot of change over. And it took us like

696
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: twenty three four games to really like develop a new

697
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: style in a way to play and basically around Dirk

698
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: like his excellence, his leadership, Jay Kidd like point guard

699
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: like out there this, you know, manufacturing points and keeping

700
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: guys motivated and not letting the steam drop off. He

701
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: was able to win that championship. Crazy with you on

702
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: the sideline too. That's crazy to think about it. Um,

703
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: you make a pit stop in l A for two years.

704
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: Historically bad franchise, but we made a nice little run.

705
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean, ain't no secret. Uh Live City. What was

706
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: your experience like with Live City? It was dope, it was.

707
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: It was fun because I think having young guys and

708
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: I really signed to that organization. Obviously I was thinking

709
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: life at the basketball when I signed there. I was

710
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: a free agent. I didn't know Lives City was gonna

711
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: into that. Yeah, I knew Chris Paul was going to

712
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: the Lakers. That's what we was hearing. We have every

713
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I was like, all right, Chris Paul

714
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: going to the Lakers. We had the same assistant, Uh,

715
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: miss Wilson at the time. So I was like, Okay,

716
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: that's what's happening on that end, and the Clippers was

717
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: just trying to like have some veteran leadership around some

718
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: of the young guys. Was right, Blake, No, it wasn't

719
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: bet Eric Bledsoe, yeah, young blad Eric God, yeah, Ryan

720
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Gomes all those guys. So, like, I signed on intending

721
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: on just being a good vet and the basketball and

722
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: just get business popping in l A. And then you know, um,

723
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: oh ship, Chris Paul coming, you know what I mean,

724
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford coming, Like then you know the possibility of

725
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: all these other free agents wanted to play with, you know,

726
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: this team is coming. So it's like, oh, like now

727
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: we become a title team, you know, like overnight. So

728
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: you go, they're thinking, just you know, compete at a

729
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: high level, teach them how to win two. Now you

730
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: guys are title contention, your top three, top four teams

731
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: in the league. And then following that that next year,

732
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: now you come and we had Jamal Crawford, Reggie the Jokers,

733
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: Lamar Oldham, Grant Hill, like Chaulcy Billups. It's like, oh, ship,

734
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: we owned something like what do you think held us

735
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: up though, because I feel like that second year, your

736
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: second year, uh, my first year, Jama's first year, Lamar's

737
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: first year was like what was what do you think

738
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: held our team? But I've talked the leadership. Yeah, not

739
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: not from us the locker room. I think even even above,

740
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: Like I think from a coaching standpoint, now that I'm

741
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: in this seat and I'm coaching, and you know, you're

742
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: talking about everyone wise and you know, being you know,

743
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: leaders of men, you gotta make sure that everyone's connected. Now,

744
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: Chris did all the leadership things as far as from

745
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: a teammate standpoint, like having dinners where we you know,

746
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: bond and connect with one another, but you know, the

747
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: X and o's and the mission and saying what it

748
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: was gonna be and something that we all can rally around.

749
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: That wasn't there, Like people weren't saying, hey, we're trying

750
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: to win the championship. This is what it is, like,

751
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: this is the role you gotta play for us to

752
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, get this accomplished. This is the role you

753
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: gotta buy into for us to get this ship accomplished.

754
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: That wasn't never discussed. We we felt it. We try

755
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: to play the right way, like you was tag team

756
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: in our minutes. But it wasn't like this is what

757
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: the funk you gotta do for us to get this?

758
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: And that was a drop off. I like him, Man,

759
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: fourteen seasons. You sad to hang it up. You just

760
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: knew it. It It was time. Man, I'm gonna tell you.

761
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: I checked in and Sacramento, and in my head, I

762
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: thought I took off, but I didn't take off. It

763
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: was I was going up for a dump, but I

764
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: went for a cold as lay up. I never left

765
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: the ground like I intended to leave the ground. And

766
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: I was just like damn. In my head, I that

767
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: was like kind of up there, so you know, the

768
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: ship kind of kind of spent in there and went

769
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: in and I ran the other way, and I was

770
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: like ship. And I watched the film that night. I

771
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: was like that, No, I can't be out there like

772
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 1: that like that, ain't it. So I was just like, man,

773
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: you know what, you know, I got my bread, I

774
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: got some I got a lot of ship going on.

775
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: Off the court. It's trying to pivot and just like

776
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: do some other stuff. Think back to when you was fifteen,

777
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean to when he was locked

778
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: up to you is going through all the bullshit. I

779
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: didn't know the direction he was going to now to

780
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: write this moment to where you had now bro, all

781
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: the stuff you didn't accomplished, everything you've been through. How

782
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: you feel, Man, I'm beyond blessed and I'm I'm I'm

783
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: grateful and I'm humble for like everything that I experienced,

784
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: Like even when I was walking up here, like real ship, Um,

785
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: I got I got my six button suit on, I'm

786
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: coming up here and I'm chilling with I'm chilling with

787
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: my dogs, like and I you know, I applaud you

788
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: all for all the ship that you're doing and just

789
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: speaking truth to our on every aspect from sports to

790
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: politics to the real ship that's happening out here in

791
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: these streets. But I'm just like, damn, Like we have

792
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: a platform and you know, we're able to dislike speak

793
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: freely on you know, everything, But it's all because like

794
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: the sacrifices that we made, and this is like like

795
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: this is the dream for me, Like this is the

796
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: vision that you know, I just I love to see

797
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: and I think like it's gonna be so impactful, like

798
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: twenty years from now, twenty years from now just imagine

799
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: like what our young king's gonna be doing, our young

800
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: Queen's gonna be doing, what their platforms because of what

801
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: y'all doing, what they've seen, what we went through, and

802
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: what how he's able to overcome adversity and all that.

803
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: Like the future is scary in a good way. Definitely. Um,

804
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: you're real good friends with Mark Wahlberg. Um, I don't

805
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: know if it was room or true. Are are you

806
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: guys working on a project to kind of tell your story?

807
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that working on the shout out

808
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: to Mark Warward. He let me use his RV out

809
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: of blue. I made a post on Instagram like a

810
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: month ago, I'm taking my family on a vacation and

811
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: we need to RV. Then when gotta plug on rentals,

812
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: motherfucker Deemsill Like, Yo, you can take one the one

813
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: I used on set. I'm like, I know him, but

814
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't really know him like that. He's like that, Yeah,

815
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Mark, He's a hundred like that. And um,

816
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, I had I end up doing tough to

817
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: use my journey from the streets and the NBA, and

818
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: I came to him and for the option to you know,

819
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: do a biopick. I saw no one with him and

820
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: his company, and you know, we were going to shoot

821
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: two years ago. I felt like the script wasn't right.

822
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: And when we go back to like having the power

823
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: or having you know, have enough equity in the game

824
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: where you know, I've done enough for my life where

825
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: I don't have to go for a quick bag or

826
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: something like that, it was like, I want the story

827
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: to be told right. And I'll tell you why, Like

828
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: when you think about the sacrifices that my mother made,

829
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: my grandmother made, and you know, because of the theatrics

830
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: of you know, Hollywood it, you know, their characters wasn't

831
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: going to be depicted the right way, you know from

832
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: the script. You know, usually you have like the highs,

833
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: the lows, and then you have like the White Knight

834
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: that comes and saved the day in Hollywood and these

835
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: stories and you got seventy five minutes to tell it

836
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: or eighty minutes roughly, And I just wanted to make

837
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: sure that the script was right. Uh. Me and Jordan

838
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: Fostman working on the script. We got a script that

839
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: we love, that we fell in love with, that my

840
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: my mother loved, my grandmother liked, and now it's like,

841
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: all right, let's move to Needle. Let's get this ship done.

842
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: So we got progress. We got and not a lot

843
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: of people don't know too, because you're stick to the

844
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: business head down. You're a beast in the entrepreneurial space.

845
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: Do you mind share any of the things you're into

846
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: because I know you're all over the place with it. Yeah.

847
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: So we got, you know, six graduated hotels. I was

848
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: just speaking of one of the partners on set about

849
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: the one that we we bought the old Nathan Hill

850
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Speaker 1: on the at the University of Connecticut. We got a Starbucks,

851
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Speaker 1: we got a lot of real estate out of Wisconsin,

852
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: just brought up the whole block renamed the Carime Butler Drive,

853
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: got community centers, UH, got programming like we're in a

854
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: lot of different spaces like this. Pay no, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love We sat down a few times and you

856
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: were telling me, I'm just like that, oh that too,

857
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: Oh that this dude is a beat. So appreciate to

858
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: shut you out on that for sure. Father and five

859
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? Man? Everything? Because you know,

860
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: growing up without a father, obviously that was it left

861
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: for a huge stain on a lot of things. But

862
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: it also taught me about having that boy and what

863
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: I wanted to be if I became a father. So

864
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: it means everything. My four little girls. My son who's

865
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Speaker 1: at the University Irvine is going to a senior years

866
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: playing basketball. My daughter about to go to University of Howard. Uh,

867
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: I got an eleven year older question and fucking ride

868
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: horses sensive sport. It's very specials Yeah, it's very dangerous.

869
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: She fell off a few times. Hot right back up.

870
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Speaker 1: And my youngest child, Jiah, she's a part of the

871
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: diabetic community j d RF, so she's an ambassador. She

872
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: does amazing work. She speaks probably about her condition. Actually

873
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: running the house. Yeah, she runs the house. She got

874
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: a ton of personality. So it's just it's dope to

875
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: be a father and you know, still be able to,

876
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, do something that I love, you know, uh,

877
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: that I'm passionate about. And coach talk about the book

878
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: sho oh man. So Shot Clock we had we had

879
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: to experience a while back, real close to the time

880
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: where the George Floyd's situation happened. And I watch you march,

881
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: I watch all of us march and rally around at

882
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: that cost. But shot clock came the thought and the

883
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: idea came from We went to march to the Capitol

884
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Building uh in Racing, Wisconsin, the City Court Circuit building,

885
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: and they gave people like time on the clock the

886
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: um really talk about their discomforts and display it was

887
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: in the community and I was just like, damn, Like,

888
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: you're looking at how much time you can really talk

889
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: about all the ship that's wrong in the world. Yeah,

890
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 1: and enough. And I was just like, man, that's something

891
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: that we're all up against time. So I took these

892
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: kids stories that I coached, that I've seen in the neighborhood,

893
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: that I was able to mentor that I was able to,

894
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, try to help something that fail by the wayside,

895
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: something that died. And we came up with the title

896
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: shot clock because we're all up against time. You know,

897
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: we're just telling these stories, these real stories, and hope

898
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: that they come part of the core curriculum of you know,

899
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: school today. You know, it got picked up by scholastic Sports,

900
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be everywhere. That's extremely important. But some

901
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: of the old stories that you read now from Outsiders,

902
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: to Kill a Mockingbird, things like that great Gas to

903
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: be Dope, stories, amazing books, but I think they're dated,

904
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they're way outdated, and they don't really

905
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: talk and speak to us. So I wanted to make content.

906
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: And that's something that me and Kobe had in common

907
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: where we used to talk about like ideas and just

908
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, make making content that can really impact young people.

909
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: So that's why shot Clock is a reality. It comes out,

910
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, nine six two, and look forward to sharing

911
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: those stories with the world. Beautiful quick here of us,

912
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: you plus four going to the black Top. Wire You

913
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: bringing Ship, not to the gym, to the black Top. Matt,

914
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: all right, so I can tell you, uh, you know,

915
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: arrest my soul, my brother Kobe Bryant. I'll take him

916
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: to any black Top, purple Top, any time he gets busy, anywhere,

917
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: take m J. I'm gonna need some enforces, so I'm

918
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: gonna bring both of y'all and Ship. I'm gonna gonna

919
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: get busy with it. I'm gonna coach the team since

920
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm in that seat now, and I'm I'm gonna have

921
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: j have Jay cross over, get busy out there. It's

922
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. You can listen to with no skips.

923
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: Miseducational Lauren Hill. The one and only tapping, Always tap

924
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: all the way. First thing you're doing the morning, last

925
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: thing you do when you go to sleep. First thing

926
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: I got to do in the morning is you know,

927
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: I always look at my capital fund. I look at

928
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: my statements, look at what's going in, what's going out.

929
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: The last thing I do before I go to sleep.

930
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: I pray every night, no matter where I'm at, What's

931
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: what state? I pray FaceTime one of my kids talk

932
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: to him like, that's that's my joy. Like, I go

933
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: to sleep happy. That's important. I dream good than the

934
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: funniest thing that's happened to you recently. So I've been

935
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: slimming down a little bit and I try to go

936
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: in in the gym and dump by myself. And it

937
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: didn't go like I wanted it to go. So like

938
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: that lamp secrament, Yeah, it was worse. It was worse.

939
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: I lost the rim and just put it like that.

940
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: I landed awkwardly and I just I just got back realigned.

941
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to move really gingerly right now. If

942
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: you can see one guest on all the smoke, who

943
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: would it be? But you have to help us get

944
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: your ass on the show. You know a lot of people.

945
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: You know what I would love. Like you mentioned Mark Walber,

946
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: I would love to see Mark Warburg on the show.

947
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: I would also love to see uh, you know, Jay

948
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: z on on y'all show, just speaking truth to power.

949
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: Just that would be a dope. Like I love the

950
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: Snoop Dog episode that you guys had and ship to

951
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: Damn Dash like everything. Yeah, so have hold on here,

952
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: that would be powerful. Yeah you heard, you heard the

953
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: end of that question. All right, Yeah, I can help

954
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: out with yeah. Okay, yeah, okay, okay, we're good, Rock,

955
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: We're good. We're good. Well, karn Man, we appreciate you. Uh,

956
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: your journey has been you know, admired. You know the grind,

957
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: the perseverance you had to make it through it, and

958
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: like you said, the way you're sitting here right now

959
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: and just continuing to pass it forward to others. Man,

960
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: we definitely appreciate that. So I wanted to give you

961
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: your flowers and also give you this all the smoke

962
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: time and legends. Dog. I like that, you know, I

963
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 1: have it in all time. Appreciate man, I appreciate you. Man.

964
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: That's a rap with Crown Butler. All the smoke You

965
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: can catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the I

966
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Speaker 1: heart platform Black Effects. We'll see you all next week.